Topic started by PADMANABHAN BALAKRISHNAN (@ 202.184.134.8) on Mon Nov 25 21:06:32 .
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The Scientific history of Earth of states that Earth was a fire ball, then a ice ball, water appeared in this stones appeared, then Sand appeared. The Proverb clearly states the Birth of Tamil was even before Mun (Sand) was formed.

Is this possible? Pathinen Siddhars in their Guruparambiryam, Arasaparambiryam who record history state that a Crews from space visited
this earth, under the leadership of Anathi Sivanar, explored this earth, estimated time of this earth, researched on the various life atoms, divine atoms. The language spoken by them was TAMIL. That is Guruparabiryam clearly
records that TAMIL is Language spoken across the entire galaxy (Anda peradum)

Some of them had continued to stayed back in this earth and they had civilized the Manishan ( Mun+isan - mean the ruler of this earth) uinto
Manithan ( culturered man). That is why you still hear stories about Sangam was formed in Mukadal Nagar under auspicious leadership of Anathi Sivan to preach, promote Tamil.

Tamil race spread across the world to develop new races, and it is one of the reasons why till the 19th Century people across the world revered to
some how find a route to India.

But Tamilians have forgotten their history. Guruparabiryam clearly records the history that

1. Mahabhatra occurred 5100 Years back
2. Ramayana occurred 8,64,000 Years back
3. Kanda puram occurred 12,96,000 Years back

(Note the above is only approximate nos)

Now recently NASA Satellite have found the Bridge between Rameswaran and Lanka and state it existed so many years back. The photographs have been
published across Tamil Newspapers

The Dwarka of Kannan of Mahabharat epic, his seal etc have been recovered by divers near Gujarat.

Note all these wars / fights happened between TAMIL and the Tamilian Race.
That is why Kannan is described as Karumai Niram BLACK in all the songs.

However due to our ignorance, magnanimity, foolishness, innocence, selfishness of few we have donated our History, language, hereditary
rights, Temples, ....... to the PiraManinar (People from different land.)

They were wise, and perseverant enough to utilize and till date ensure to retain their supremacy.

And we fools are happy to state, preach, accept that Sanskrit and tamil are equally good, may be one and the same, sons of same fathers, ...... How can apples and oranges be the same.

Everyone is aware of the Kudamuzuku function in Tamil at Karrur, did any one of the PiraManinar state that it is acceptable, OK, or any of the above statement we give. They have filed a case in the Court of Karur that GOD HAS DIED because of the doing Pooja in TAMIL and the court should ban that in future in no other temple should conduct such things in TAMIL....

Are you aware in the recent conference of the Piramaninar it stated that Thirumular was a Brahmin, and it is brahmins who had developed the language of tamil.

Let us learn to recognize and realize the fact, Tamilians are the original inhabitants of this planet. TAMIL is the first language spoken in this world. The Tamil is the only Language spoke across this universe, galaxy, cosmos, etc.. It is the language known to the entire cosmic universe. Tamil is the mother of all languages. Indu Vedam, Induism is preached, propagated, communicated only through Tamil. Indu Vedham and Induism consists of 396 and 36 books respectively all of which are only in Tamil.
Only the four vedhas had been transliterated into Sanskrit and see the result.

I am neither Tamil Chauvinist, nor a fascist. However with the help of my Guru had the divine pleasure of moving talking with the various Siddhars, divinators, god and goddess.

These are my experiences, realizations....

Padmanaban

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• From: Karuvayan (@ cache-rl04.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Jul 4 18:00:22 EDT 2003
  
  According to Tamil Ninja, Dinosaurs in the Mesozoic Era spoke Tamil.
  
  
• From: neo_morpheus (@ ppp-219.65.96.249.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Fri Jul 4 18:58:42 EDT 2003
  
  And which 'karunAravAyan' spake thus??!..has there been a 'consensus' about that with 'multiple' karugAlis roaming in the hub?!!
  
  
• From: prabhu bharathan (@ nat-64-26-199-2.i2.com) on: Sat Jul 5 20:31:54 EDT 2003
  
  >>Indu Vedham and Induism consists of 396 and 36 >>books respectively all of which are only in >>Tamil.
  >>Only the four vedhas had been transliterated >>into Sanskrit and see the result.
  
  If the vedas were translated from tamizh, what were their names in tamizh? What were the 396 Vedham books that you mentioned? When were they written and when were they translated?
  
  Why isnt the tamizh script phonetic? Ex:
  The tamil word "mugam" can be read as "mukham" or "mugham" or "mukam".
  
  There are 1000s of such discrepancies in Tamizh. Why is it that the mother of all languages of this cosmos has such a defeciency?
  
  Please explain.
  
  
• From: A. Darwin Felix (@ ) on: Mon Mar 22 10:22:09
  
  Mr Prabhu,
  
  What u r taking abt mugam or mukham, u r reading frm english not frm tamil. tamil has only one mugam that is THIRUMUGAM not like ur KARUMUGAM.
  
  
• From: karthick (@ 61.1.206.216) on: Sun Mar 28 00:20:57 EST 2004
  
  i fully accept this. it is fully true. tamil people are the oldest race in the world. the great tamil researcher mr.devaneya paavaanar proved this by his researches.
  vazhga tamizh. valarga tamizh
  
  
• From: Prabhu Ram (@ 202.54.18.155) on: Sun Mar 28 02:19:42 EST 2004
  
  I am so tempted to agree with the thesis put forward by Padmanabhan Balakrishnan. In fact I envy the experiences he claims in his last sentence.I envy him because I studied Tamil in school level only and find it tough to come to terms with 'marabu ilakkiyam'.I feel thrilled when I read such stuff about the ancient ness of the Tamils.
  But then I don't know ho much of the thrill I owe to the fact that Tamil is my mother tongue and how much I owe to the 'objective' appeal of the analysis. It is rather hard to believe the celestial explorer thesis and the dates attributed to ramayana and mahabarata. Because if one accepted that then one is forced to accept absolutely inane farces like 'the myth of the churning of the ocean' and all.
  Of course 'there are more things in heaven and earth than can be explained by our philosophy' so my scepticism about mythology should not be the sole basis of rejecting the idea wholesale.This is based on the the following inklings:
  Notwithstanding Mr.Balakrishnan's disclaimer his proposition seems hae a chauvinistic tinge. Perhaps it is only anxiety.(the tamil word I wanted to use is AAdhangam' and the closest I could get is anxiety so excuse my meagre translational capabilities). Anxiety and frustration over the fact that history has been misinterpreted and worse even Tamils have been led to believe that their language is secondary.
  It is extremely painful and something HAS to be done to instill in them a sense of self worth.
  The Dravidian revolution did lot to this end.
  Quite aptly titled was Periyar's institution : 'SuyamariyAAdhai Iyakkam'.Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly so the movement has now (long since!)degenerated into a quest for power.This failure is often easily attributed to the hijacking of the parties by te upper castes (brahmins,thevars etc.).
  Such an explanation seems to suggest that there were no inner flaws and all that ruined it was external influences.Such an explanation is escapism.I personally feel that what stunted the cultural growth of the movement was its excessive reliance on rhetoric like 'kal thondri man thondra...' and the lack of even basic economics among the rulers. To quote the veteran Tamil communist leader V.Ramamurty :' Oru thavarAAna vargappor KalAAcharaththai veroondri vitAArgal' (they have instilled wrong notions of class struggle).
  Of course you will discount Rammurty's opinion because he is anti DK-communist or if u want to be juvenile u can discount his opinion because he is a brahmin.But factually speaking it is the communists who have till date not compromised their stands on caste issues while the DMK and ADMK liquidated their stands to nonexistenece. But what Ramamurthy tries t say is caste is a question to be analyzedto the extent that inhibits economic progress.With economic progress comes cultural progress and respect quite automatically.These questions were not at all addressed by the revolution so much so that one is led to the suspicion that all that the leaders wanted to achieve was votes, an end to which stoking up sons of the soil issues are means.
  Sons of the soil is an age old issue.Right from Hitler to Bal Thakeray use it as a means of projecting an 'us versus them' scenario when the real problems are beside the point. After all isnt racial purity a myth in iteslf when people of various races coexist in a land for thousands of years.So the qn. is which tamils are we talking about? Is it Tamil speaking people of today minus Brahmins minus all those castes minus those castes whose traceable roots are outside TN.
  Such a definition is juvenile.It may seem that I am sidetracking the issue by taking economics instead o culture.No.I am trying to say is economics is THE most important part of culture. We had a great history because we were a rich country.That is why we had cultural progress while central europeans (Aryans!) were still swinging on trees. My question is what is WE?Does my brahmin birth disqualify me from using the expression we?
  The uper castes stoke up riots and the lower castes are trampled defencelessly.This is a recurrant motif in recent history.whose tamil culture are we taliking about.the rioters or the victims'? How can you even seek to fight cultural imperialism when the culturally vulnerable are also the economically vulnerable? Those is power in issues of culture, if you notice,call the shots in the world of economic power. I am not saying that the poor have no right to a culture I am saying they cannot sustainably fight for their culture if they are economically weak and if the Vicious cycle has to be broken anywhere it is here. Economic power bestows on the individual the right to demand.That includes the right to demand his culture.
  Perhaps I have not exactly addressed he issue of whether Tamil is the oldest language of them all. I choose not to address that question because if I feel proud of it then I fall into the Aryan trap of thinking one's culture is 'superior' to the other.What matters is what we DO today beacause we (tamils and nontamils alike) are born equal :
  Pirappokkum Ella Uyirkkum Sirappokkum
  Sithozhil Vetrumai yan
  Till it is done, cultural awareness (AAdhangam) can be kept alive in fora like these.
  
  
  
• From: Prabhu Ram (@ 202.54.18.155) on: Sun Mar 28 02:25:15 EST 2004
  
  Errata :
  Seithozhil in my favourite thirukkural.
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ 142.76.1.62) on: Tue Apr 6 14:38:28 EDT 2004
  
  //Why isnt the tamizh script phonetic? Ex:
  The tamil word "mugam" can be read as "mukham" or "mugham" or "mukam". //
  
  patuppu...they are like that because you wrote the Thamizh word in English. You should know that we have 247 letters [excluding the un-necessary sanskirit interpreting letters]. Not only that but our script have evolved from what it was before 14th Centurey B.C [according to English calendar]. Thus we don't write A_M_M_A but instead A_M_MA. You should know that English (Latin) text isn't our Text! We have our own and it's ancient and when you write things like 'mukam' in English...it's due to the fact one kind of sound doesn't exist for some of the letters combined in English. Not only that but for the letter 'ka' in Thamizh English use 'ka', 'ga', 'ca'. Not to mention you can't see a difference between n= two zero (nanNa) and nth =(nthannA) when you write "na"! unless you write ntha which will increase the length of the text! Not to mention yours and couple of other people struggle to spell Thami'zh' where zh could be spelled with the letters 'lh' "I tried that on the Macintosh "text-reading" software" and it pronounced as I expected..when I wrote lha in the box but not when I had put zha. So you see Latin scripts only work the languages that had grown from it and not for another language which is far ancient than Latin and which still is alive with it's own creation through out the ages!
  
  

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