Topic started by :)punnahai (@ d150-35-51.home.cgocable.net) on Wed Feb 26 11:46:41 .
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I would like to collect all the information out there about avvaiyar. Please post here any info that you know about avvai. Please do not argue in this thread, if you feel like arguing, please use one of the numerous other threads at forumhub for that purpose. Thanks for your cooperation.

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• From: ashok (@ 12-234-137-241.client.attbi.com) on: Wed Feb 26 13:02:04
  
  Punnahai,
  are you alluding to Avvai the poetess saint who followed muruga? because I remember in thiruvilaiyadal the old lady who sang the songs to muruga. I think she was called avvai. I saw this movie long time ago, so dont remember exactly. anyways I found a nice write up for Avvaiyar in the following site..
  
  http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/br/2002/10/08/stories/2002100800060300.htm
  
  I too would like to know more about this
  
  
• From: :)punnahai (@ d150-35-51.home.cgocable.net) on: Wed Feb 26 13:09:12
  
  Ashok,
  
  Thanks for the link.
  
  Yes, I am looking for info on the same poetess Avvai of athichudi and chutta pazham chudaadha pazham fame. Avvai also gave the gift of long life nellikani to adhiyamaan. She is also believed to have accompanied Thiruvalluvar to the arangetram of Thirukural. Some say there were many avvais spanning the centuries, but no one is certain.
  
  
• From: :) (@ d150-35-51.home.cgocable.net) on: Wed Feb 26 15:05:49
  
  >>because I remember in thiruvilaiyadal the old lady who sang the songs to muruga<<
  
  Pazham nee appa, gnana pazham nee appa, right?? :)
  
  
• From: ashok (@ 12-234-137-241.client.attbi.com) on: Wed Feb 26 15:34:23
  
  Pazham nee appa, gnana pazham nee appa, right?? :)
  
  yeah thats it... :)
  
  
• From: akil (@ acaf5d40.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Feb 26 15:58:10
  
  yeah.. i have heard from my dad that there were three avvaiyaars. the film avvaiyar portraying kb sundarambal as avvaiyar (same as pazham nee appa), was a confused version of all the happening in the three avvaiyars life.
  out of three sangam, i think avvai and thiruvalluvar all belong to the kadaichangam that was in present madurai.
  
  
• From: akil (@ acc800c6.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Feb 26 17:39:24
  
  i meant the third avvai.. belonged to kadaichangam. but its all my 'kelvi gnaanam'. if somebody could give exact informations, i would be keen to know.
  
  
• From: AJ (@ on-tor-blr-a58-04-617.look.ca) on: Wed Feb 26 23:38:19
  
  
  I didn't see any statue of Avvaiyar in Tamilnadu.
  
  http://www.sangam.org/FB_PHOTOJAFFNA2002/03.jpg
  
  above picture is AVVAIYAR STATUE in Jaffna Town, Srilanka.
  
  
  
• From: ashok (@ 12-234-137-241.client.attbi.com) on: Thu Feb 27 02:39:30
  
  I havent seen any statue of avvaiyar either in TN, but that might be because I was not looking for them.. Talking about statues, did anyone have a chance to visit the bronze statue exhibit in the smithsonian in DC last month. TI was bronze statues from tamil nadu form the chola period. It was damn beautiful, though I kinda disagreed with the display of the deities as a commercial entity where the required respect might not be given to it, it was quite amazing to see the amazing skill our Tamil artisens have... I think they are a travelling display, they might be coming to other areas too. I would suggest any indian to go see these sculptures...
  
  
• From: :)punnahai (@ d150-35-51.home.cgocable.net) on: Thu Feb 27 08:39:35
  
  >>I havent seen any statue of avvaiyar either in TN<<
  
  Ashok:
  Have you ever been to Marina beach?
  
  
• From: ashok (@ 12-234-137-241.client.attbi.com) on: Thu Feb 27 11:02:09
  
  Have you ever been to Marina beach?
  
  Long tim ago. I usually dont go to Madras. I have been there only once. We usually ony go to thanjavur and arunachalam and some of the nearby towns to Kerala.
  
  
• From: :)punnahai (@ d150-35-51.home.cgocable.net) on: Thu Feb 27 11:32:23
  
  Ashok, Marina beach is so crowded anyway, so you didn't miss much. There's an avvaiyar statue along the beach. I wonder why she is topless (kind of), were all women dressed that way, how did we come up with this avvaiyar look? Obviously there are no photographs, are there any old paintings of her I wonder.
  
  
• From: mmc (@ netcache.spectranet.com) on: Thu Feb 27 12:36:24
  
  Aiooooo...kadavuley!!!!!
  
  Tamil samuthayathukku vantha sothanaiyappa!!!!!!!!!
  
  
  :-((
  
  
  Anbarntha Nanbargaley, Nanbigaley,,,
  
  AVVAIYAR oru thani manusho alla.It was a common term denoting the aged scholarly women and there have been sevearal Avvaiyars in Tamilnadu from different regions from KAL THONDRI MANTHONDRA KALATHILIRUNTHU IN TN!!
  
  Avvaiyaroda paintingaaaa !!! aandava Tamil samuthayathai kaaapathuuu!!
  
  p.s: As requested by the initiator, plz dont argue in this thread.If you want to counter me, start another thread and copy all these contents there.....hehe
  
  
• From: Santa Claus (@ crc-cache1.jaring.my) on: Thu Feb 27 20:49:36
  
  Punnahai, please see "important" message for you here: http://www.forumhub.com/tnhistory/13832.14.42.02.html
  
  BTW, why "Avvaikku koon azhagu?" :)
  
  
• From: :)punnahai (@ d150-35-51.home.cgocable.net) on: Thu Feb 27 22:21:28
  
  Santa:
  Thanks for the lyrics, I just saw it.
  
  >>BTW, why "Avvaikku koon azhagu?" :)<<
  
  The question is avvaikku en koon kodukkanum. May be she was a young chic with no koon :) Probably this old lady form was given to Avvai during recent times when our men were (some still are) unable to accept women as equals and were writing songs such as "pombal siricha pochu" :((
  
  
• From: Aryaman Stefan Wellershaus (@ proxy.ginko.net) on: Fri Jun 27 06:00:00
  
  I saw the film Thiru Vilaiyadal and got a poster in 1966 in Ernakulam and bought the video 1995 in Pune. I got a record disc of KB Sundarambal in 1966 in Ernakulam, too. On this disc she is singing Pazham nee ... among other songs, all devotional like in the movie.
  Aryaman Stefan
  
  
• From: Balakrishnan S Nayakkar (@ gvawebdproxy1.net.external.hp.com) on: Fri Jun 27 09:57:13 EDT 2003
  
  ////I wonder why she is topless (kind of), were all women dressed that way, how did we come up with this avvaiyar look? //
  
  What is there to wonder?? Have you ever gone to any village in Tamilnadu? In villages(atleast around madurai,Dindigul & Theni), most of the old women don't wear blouse (only sarees).
  
  
• From: K.janarthanan (@ palo5.pacific.net.sg) on: Sat Jun 28 23:54:47 EDT 2003
  
  Some people said that the Auyaiyar of Athiyamaan's time is not old at all, unlike the Auvaiyaar of the Angavai-Cahgavai time. Who, then wrote the Aathichoodi,Kondrai Venthan, Moothurai and nallVazhi ?
  
  
• From: Hari (@ cache91.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Mon Nov 8 10:17:46
  
  I saw this link http://www.hindu.com/fr/2004/11/05/stories/2004110503211000.htm where I came to know that there is a place which gives out information about Avvai in Tamil Nadu
  
  
• From: Hari (@ cache91.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Mon Nov 8 10:22:35 EST 2004
  
  Also information on Avvai could be had from this link http://www.tamilnation.org/literature/auvayar/index.htm
  
  
• From: davie (@ sunivc) on: Fri Nov 12 03:57:26 EST 2004
  
  any clue if avvaiyar was fair or brown or dark????
  any insight into this issue will be appreciated
  
  
• From: truth (@ dsl-chn-111.253.247.61.touchtelindia.net) on: Sat Nov 13 07:02:02 EST 2004
  
  Avvayaar was a terrorist, she instigated war between tamil kings
  
  
• From: truth (@ dsl-chn-111.253.247.61.touchtelindia.net) on: Sat Nov 13 07:02:28 EST 2004
  
  She was a stupid sudrachi
  
  
• From: davie (@ universi-bh1wsz) on: Thu Nov 18 06:27:12 EST 2004
  
  TRuth
  avayar never did any business
  so she is not a shudra
  But she adviced kings and behaved like a guru.
  So she is a brahmin
  
  
• From: davie (@ universi-bh1wsz) on: Thu Nov 18 06:27:35 EST 2004
  
  TRuth
  avayar never did any business
  so she is not a shudra
  But she adviced kings and behaved like a guru.
  So she is a brahmin
  
  
• From: davie (@ universi-bh1wsz) on: Thu Nov 18 06:29:50 EST 2004
  
  @truth atleast u say the word tamil kings.
  hmm
  we are the kings we were the kings we will be the kings
  i say "will be" because, this world is getting globalized and there is not much bias or racial descrimination between blacks or whites. AFter 500 years this world is gona be really sophisticated that everyone will beconsidered equal and blackswill mary whites whites willmary hispanics chinese will mix with indians brahmins will mix with australoids etc. hehe
  
  
• From: truth (@ dsl-chn-111.253.247.61.touchtelindia.net) on: Thu Nov 18 06:51:15 EST 2004
  
  @davie
  lottery for Sudra
  
  
• From: davie (@ tandon-lpt) on: Thu Nov 18 08:17:12 EST 2004
  
  TRuth
  avayar never did any business
  so she is not a shudra
  But she adviced kings and behaved like a guru.
  So she is a brahmin
  
  
• From: davie (@ laptop1) on: Thu Nov 18 09:19:34 EST 2004
  
  dont copy my @ symbol u local indian pichakara kullamana asingamana brahmin nai AT truth
  
  
• From: truth (@ dsl-chn-111.253.247.61.touchtelindia.net) on: Sat Nov 20 07:21:45 EST 2004
  
  @davie
  u copied Hinduism
  u copied Jainism, Buddhism, Science, Tech, computer and @ symbol from others
  u r very possesive about what u borrowed from others.
  
  
• From: davie (@ e228-013.ecc.utep.edu) on: Sat Nov 20 10:24:40 EST 2004
  
  brahmin coward
  
  

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