Topic started by Siva (@ dialin-145-254-137-213.arcor-ip.net) on Fri Jul 12 08:57:04 .
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Are the origins of thamizh the indus-& harrapa civilization???

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• From: :) Punnahai (@ d221-216-98.systems.cogeco.net) on: Fri Jul 12 09:13:49
  
  This is a bigggggggggggg topic, nothing is confirmed yet since the scripts have not truly been deciphered. You may want to check www.harappa.com
  
  
• From: Gopala Nair (@ ipvpn068202.netvigator.com) on: Sun Aug 11 02:45:43
  
  The Tamil Dravidians are the originators of this civilisation and culture.The Aryans destroyed it and instituted the Manusastram caste sytem to divide and rule the Dravidians.
  
  
• From: Ashok Pillai (@ adsl-63-198-201-90.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) on: Tue Aug 13 15:35:41
  
  Exactly right Gopala ! All things indian were created by the Tamil Dravidians .Not the Aryan Brahmins .
  
  
• From: Ashok Pillai (@ adsl-63-198-201-90.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) on: Tue Aug 13 16:51:35
  
  Vedic Hinduism is also Dravidian ! The Aryans assimilated our culture.
  
  
• From: Ashok Pillai (@ ipvpn068202.netvigator.com) on: Fri Aug 16 06:34:23
  
  Sumerian is proto-Tamil.
  
  
• From: :) (@ d221-216-99.systems.cogeco.net) on: Fri Aug 16 11:57:46
  
  >>Sumerian is proto-Tamil.<<
  
  So you see the mediterranean origin now?
  
  
• From: :) (@ d221-216-98.systems.cogeco.net) on: Fri Aug 16 12:00:13
  
  >>>>Sumerian is proto-Tamil.<< <<
  Pillai,
  
  Now you know who came from Iraq. At least Afghanistan is closer to India.
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ nat-52.laurelnetworks.com) on: Fri Aug 16 14:31:18
  
  punnahai,
  All the above characters are the same person, gopala nair, ashok pillai, aryan pillai. He is a person with a multiple personality disorder. I would suggest that we ignore him, he might dissapear if we do that. ;-)
  
  
• From: regret (@ 203.197.20.94) on: Tue Sep 10 15:41:39
  
  tmaizh are iraq-iranees. original TN inhabitants are subduded subjugated anadmanese type tribals, similar to austaialan aboriginies. 90% population Tamilanadu are this. only few upper caste (not meaning brahmins)are original tamizh. then there are the tel-kan. vadugar, the maharati and many others. that is why tamil people dont look like tel-kannada-chotanagpur dravida people.
  
  
• From: arun (@ 202.170.128.65) on: Tue Oct 1 07:08:23
  
  Tamil is one of the worlds most original languages
  
  
• From: An idiotic bramanan (@ cache-loh-ad02.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Oct 1 19:35:09
  
  ADo Ashok Iyer
  
  So every body else is wriong and you fu*cking Brahmin fool is right. whom are you kidding.Would you say that iam also Asok pillai, Nair etal.??
  
  
• From: An idiotic bramanan (@ cache-loh-ad02.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Oct 1 19:35:44
  
  ADo Ashok Iyer
  
  So every body else is wrong and you fu*cking Brahmin fool is right. whom are you kidding.Would you say that iam also Asok pillai, Nair etal.??
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ 12-255-214-107.client.attbi.com) on: Tue Oct 1 19:42:32
  
  no you would be the idiot who used to post as
  Sahodarayo
  
  
• From: siddharth (@ sdn-ap-022njpennp0281.dialsprint.net) on: Tue Oct 1 22:03:03
  
  Dr. idiotic brahmanan:
  I guess people have not realised that there are more than one retarded backward in Tamil Nadu. As per statistics 98% in T.N. are considered backward.It is the highest percentage in the world.There area lot of people among backwards who want to spread this backward culture around this world. You should defend your views and your language. Someone said that in a society, idiots, morons, rapists, theives and murderers etc are essential so that there is some value given for honest, intelligence, scholarship etc. For that reason I fully support you as you are an essenbtial part of the society. Hurrah for the backwards. You could have made your language a little more colorful in keeping with the backward culture. Would like to hear from you more in your own language.
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ cache-dr10.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Oct 2 09:02:23
  
  Siddarth:
  
  You are right....See how our forward our bra_mins of India!!!! Hurrah to Brahminism !!!
  
  The worst ever pornography in India is produced and distributed by Dr Prakash Iyer and Brothers (Palghat Iyer)!!!!
  
  Mr Sharma IPS(Haryana) hired a killer and murdered Ms Shivani a Journalist.. Hurrah to Sharmaji a Brahmin!!!
  
  MR Jaya(andra Saraswathi and Group Pvt Ltd).. a total fraud on Snakaramutt history ... KAnchi was never established by Sankara but still the so called kanchi Madathipathi falsify that its is established by Sankara....Hurrrah to th super telugu brahmins Mr Jaya...
  
  From History, Maratha Hindu Kingdom down fall was caused by greedy brahmins ...
  
  Vijayanagara Hindu Kingdom destroyed because brahmins poisoned the only son of Krishnadevvaraya..
  
  If any one search for honesty and integrity in India it must be elswhere and and never with brahminism ...
  
  
  
  
• From: :) Punnahai (@ d221-216-98.systems.cogeco.net) on: Wed Oct 2 10:06:54
  
  >>If any one search for honesty and integrity in India it must be elswhere and and never with brahminism ...
  
  <,
  
  Well Krishna, do you want me to list some non-brahmin thugs, cheats, murderers, swindlers, etc. If you want, I could give you a loooooooong list, just let me know.
  
  
• From: Krishan (@ cache-rl04.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Oct 2 14:13:30
  
  Punnahai,
  
  
  The point is ...criminality is part of the society and no individual can claim we are the not but they are!!!
  
  A Senior Officer of Hindu Religious Endowment Board quoted from a report that most Hindu temple properties were sold by the Brahmins who were the Kattalaithars (got the land to perform some specific pooja otr kattalai)... Can we conclude from that ..
  
  Value of Alwarthirunagari temple properties lost is equal to value of properties owned by Iyengars in Alwarpet...
  
  or
  
  Value of Vaitheeswaran temple properties lost is equal to value of properties of Iyers in Mylapore..
  
  There is a never ending list.. of all and no one is above board...but thw worst case is committing crime in the name of religion and in the name of god...
  
  
  
  
• From: R (@ 12.163.39.254) on: Wed Oct 2 14:34:14
  
  Southern Tamil Nadu (Pandiya Nadu) must be occupied by some intelligent African tribes. I was surprised to see some Afro Americans in New York whose features are very similar to Tirunelvelli, Kanyakumari people.
  
  
• From: :) Punnahai (@ d221-216-99.systems.cogeco.net) on: Wed Oct 2 15:00:49
  
  Raveen!!!
  
  You too!!! A few months ago I recall an eloquent post you made in response to an African American poster. Looks like your opinions have changed adn you have been won over by the African Americans.
  
  In my view (I would like to hear others views on this too) peoplein Tirunelveli/Kanyakumari do not resemble African tribes.
  1. They do not have curly hair or thick lips
  2. There are many dark people in Tirunelveli, but their features are not African. Many first encounter europeans talked of dark people in Tirunelveli at the same time specifically mentioning that their features were European.
  
  P.S. I have no qualms accepting any African ancestry for Indians, but let's not buy into the all encompassing African American claim to everything from Indus valley to Machu Pichu unless there is scientific/archaeological proof.
  
  
• From: Rajan (@ 12.163.39.254) on: Wed Oct 2 15:40:18
  
  Hi Punnahai,
  This is Rajan.. I'm from Tirunelvelli and just curious to know my origin. I don't feel low if someone says that I have african origin. You are right we dont have curly hair and thick lips. But I've seen africans who do not have very thick lips. My Aunt is a math teacher in one of public schools here in US. Most of her students are Afro Americans. She says some of them (who look almost like Indians) are very bright and has a good Math skills. Only problem is, their main aim is to become a rapper!
  
  
• From: :) Punnahai (@ d221-216-98.systems.cogeco.net) on: Wed Oct 2 15:48:20
  
  Rajan:
  
  >>But I've seen africans who do not have very thick lips.<<
  
  Are they Africans or African mix? There are some tribes in Nigeria (northern if I am not mistaken) who do not have very thick lips. Nevertheless, the hair is a dead give away. You can see that most African Americans (although quite mixed) still have the frizzy hair even after generations of mixing.
  
  We do find somewhat frizzy hair among some Keralites though. Wavy hair is different from frizzy hair of course.
  
  
• From: Madurai Veeran (@ adsl-66-122-61-85.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) on: Thu Oct 3 01:36:59
  
  We do find somewhat frizzy hair among some Keralites though. Wavy hair is different from frizzy hair of course.
  
  I wonder if it has anything to do with the proximity of Lakshadveep.
  
  Interestingly, the natives of Madagascar are not of African descent - they are of S.E.Asian descent! Something to ponder!
  
  
  
  
• From: vinod (@ 61.1.209.220) on: Thu Oct 3 03:44:59
  
  Is there any connection between Indus Valley Civilisation and Mayan Civilization(Aztec) of Central America? I think Dravidians and Mayans are related to each other!
  
  
• From: ravi (@ dialup-mum-203.94.225.204.bol.net.in) on: Sat Oct 12 22:15:55
  
  Entire world was inhabited by blacks as far as 1.7 million years when they constructed the bridge to lanka.mind you ram was a tamil.aryan is a tamil word!!!!!mean arivu ullavan.This is what they(whites now call Noble).Aryan may also be linked to iraivan(irai-controlof nature).Whites came from moon.
  
  
• From: Hindu Shahi (@ 12-235-124-134.client.attbi.com) on: Sat Oct 12 23:22:19
  
  aryan is a tamil word? please provide sources for this....
  
  I have to agree with regrets, you can usually tell a tamilian from another non-tamil south indian. Particularly the upper caste telugus and kannadigas look very different from the upper caste tamils...
  
  There must be a higher concentration of australoid genes in the tamil area.... more research needs to be done...
  
  I think most tamils may actually be of aboriginal stock.. They may have adopted dravidian languages and customs over their own australoid munda languages...
  
  
• From: :) Punnahai (@ d150-35-51.home.cgocable.net) on: Sun Oct 13 08:54:26
  
  Please get to know Hindu Shahi's views on Tamilians (although he is a Tamil Mudaliar who calls himself Punjabi) before discussing Tamilians/Tamil with him. Hindu Shahi also posts as Punjabi in the following threads.
  
  http://www.forumhub.com/tnhistory/22513.14.11.28.html
  http://www.forumhub.com/indhistory/21744.20.09.29.html
  
  
  
  

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