Topic started by Shahi (@ 12.235.124.134) on Mon Feb 24 03:35:19 .
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Any theories or facts on when the hindu deity Shiva was introduced in the subcontinent?

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• From: Blesson. M (@ 216-50-158-41-dal-10.cvx.algx.net) on: Mon Jul 12 16:27:27 EDT 2004
  
  I promise my life on this.
  
  
• From: anand (@ 210.18.90.1.sify.net) on: Tue Jul 13 05:03:17 EDT 2004
  
  These christian fellows, U just cannot "reform" them.
  See, the topic is about the origin of Lord Shiva & here U have blesson saying that Jesus will save us.
  
  Blesson, don't try to convert others to christianity via this hub. Hold a "suvisesha koottam" in beach or in vepery & conduct "iravu jabam" there.
  
  
• From: truth (@ 61.11.79.110) on: Wed Jul 14 07:53:38 EDT 2004
  
  U know one thing anand?
  
  Jesus was good and was St. Thomas.
  
  So a Brahmins got coverted to Christianity first under St. Thomas 2000 years back.
  
  He was real Christian.
  
  So there was truth in him.
  
  Very same Thomas was killed by Surdra near St. Thomas mount.
  
  Now these Sudras get converted to Christianity for some shady reason and say Brahmins r preventing them from doing so.
  
  How cunning people can be?
  
  The Sudras r there to corrupt Christianity too.
  
  I hear more evanjalists doing pimps jobs.
  
  Corrupt! r not they?
  
  
• From: Arul (@ 202.141.142.23) on: Wed Jul 14 16:06:11 EDT 2004
  
  Go to the following website:
  
  http://www.intamm.com/index.htm
  
  
• From: sangam (@ h0800462bdbc8.ne.client2.attbi.com) on: Mon Jul 19 08:50:54 EDT 2004
  
  The info about shivites and brahmins etc written by a person who is not educated and of criminal nature and should be eliminated from this world
  
  
• From: truth (@ 61.247.253.112) on: Thu Jul 22 11:59:43 EDT 2004
  
  Another fact about Shiva Lingam.
  
  Does anyone know that the Christians worshipped, Cow and Shiva Lingaam (Phallus) 400 years back.
  
  The one that wiped out the worship of shiva lingam from Christianity was Martin Luther.
  
  U can refer with Christians too.
  
  
• From: R.Sri Hari (@ modem7.bank1.eureka.lk) on: Thu Jul 22 12:26:33 EDT 2004
  
  Dear Readers,
  
  To know a "little" on "Saivaism" and on "Siva Agamas", please see the "old responses" of this thread - in the second page immediately preceeding this page, and read the two articles titled as follows.
  
  (1)
  A “VERY BRIEF STUDY”
  ON THE EVOLUTION OF SAIVAISM
  AND ITS EARLY DEVELOPMENT IN TAMIL NADU
  
  (2)
  "A VERY BRIEF STUDY”
  ON THE EVOLUTION OF “SIVA AGAMAMS” IN TAMIL NADU
  
  R.Sri Hari
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: john (@ 202.57.135.83) on: Sun Jul 25 11:13:28 EDT 2004
  
  Shiva god is fake in south india. it is version of other religion gods.
  shiva is only original in north or hinduism. but shiva in south is just dubious and have no historical base. most of shiva temples in south are drawn out of budhist and jain temples. many research reveal the truth but purposely black painted by vested interest of hindu chauvinistic poweres.
  
  
• From: nirosha (@ j37.stw20.jaring.my) on: Mon Jul 26 03:40:22 EDT 2004
  
  Shiva looks perfectly Dravidian to me. Can you substantiate your claims John?
  
  
• From: wonder (@ 207.80.14.5) on: Thu Jul 29 00:37:58 EDT 2004
  
  shiva is perfectly dravian or not that is left to historians .. But most of shiva temples in south are fake, originally all such temples belonged to budhist and jains. there are historical breakthrough in new research. you can find more literature on this. well most of old temples in tamilnadu are not original hindu temples .. they were dravidian temples and hinduism came much later along with iyerism and dalit culture. by this time most of original temples converted to so called fake hindu temples. and till todaysuch temples are only property of iyers.
  
  
• From: wonder (@ 207.80.14.5) on: Thu Jul 29 00:38:03 EDT 2004
  
  shiva is perfectly dravian or not that is left to historians .. But most of shiva temples in south are fake, originally all such temples belonged to budhist and jains. there are historical breakthrough in new research. you can find more literature on this. well most of old temples in tamilnadu are not original hindu temples .. they were dravidian temples and hinduism came much later along with iyerism and dalit culture. by this time most of original temples converted to so called fake hindu temples. and till todaysuch temples are only property of iyers.
  
  
• From: wonder (@ 207.80.14.5) on: Thu Jul 29 00:38:20 EDT 2004
  
  shiva is perfectly dravian or not that is left to historians .. But most of shiva temples in south are fake, originally all such temples belonged to budhist and jains. there are historical breakthrough in new research. you can find more literature on this. well most of old temples in tamilnadu are not original hindu temples .. they were dravidian temples and hinduism came much later along with iyerism and dalit culture. by this time most of original temples converted to so called fake hindu temples. and till todaysuch temples are only property of iyers.
  
  
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• From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Fri Jul 30 11:49:27 EDT 2004
  
  
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• From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Fri Jul 30 12:08:54 EDT 2004
  
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• From: Gogiya (@ 57.73.12.98) on: Sun Aug 1 18:28:22 EDT 2004
  
  There is only one religion in this world!
  Religion is renewed time to time by successive manifestations. There is no different in them. Their culture is differing but their spirit is one.
  Don't fight over religion.
  Shiva, Jesus, Krishna, Mohammad all is equal in status.
  
  
  
  
• From: davie (@ cim-dell14.cim.utep.edu) on: Mon Aug 9 07:06:26 EDT 2004
  
  u guys must read
  http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley_1.html
  just read this article and tell me if u guys got the answer
  Wow u must read this article
  
  
• From: pdavid (@ cim-dell14.cim.utep.edu) on: Mon Aug 9 07:08:41 EDT 2004
  
  and regarding religion, it is just a man made concept, which originated from things like fearing for natural elements.
  Well it just the tendency of human beings to follow what others do.
  So, the whole world is just revolving around something which does not exist, namely GOD. lol.
  Well this is the fact, buy many people does not realize this.
  I can backup my discussion if u guys want me to
  
  
• From: davie (@ cim-dell14.cim.utep.edu) on: Mon Aug 9 07:10:49 EDT 2004
  
  well some corrections to the above posting
  1. which do not exist
  2. back up my argument
  
  its weird that forumhub.com does not have the edit button to correct any mistake in the posting.
  
  
• From: watch (@ 216.126.204.32) on: Wed Aug 11 02:39:14 EDT 2004
  
  how and when shiva was born?
  
  
• From: just another fellah (@ sspis120.sp.edu.sg) on: Fri Aug 13 07:51:25 EDT 2004
  
  
  the origin of shiva isthe male organ ..the cock.
  
  
• From: shivaraman (@ www16.simpull.com) on: Sat Aug 14 21:02:05 EDT 2004
  
  I have heard many brahmins saying Lord Shiva is reincarnation of Lord Adinath who is often known as
  Adi- Perumal or Adi-Bhagwan in Thirukural.I have also heard that Adinath is first Thirthankar in Jainism
  
  
• From: southasianviews (@ utep8755) on: Sun Aug 15 03:39:50 EDT 2004
  
  shahi ur none but an gay asol moron.haha
  lord shiva is god common to all indians, except those muslim asols.
  say for example the guy who wrote thirukural does not know anything about aryan or brahmin etc.
  At that time there were no aryan or brahmins in this country.
  Everyone were united.
  
  
• From: javer (@ 199.71.136.70) on: Sat Aug 21 19:32:05 EDT 2004
  
  // From: shivaraman (@ www16.simpull.com) on: Sat Aug 14 21:02:05 EDT 2004
  
  
  I have heard many brahmins saying Lord Shiva is reincarnation of Lord Adinath who is often known as
  Adi- Perumal or Adi-Bhagwan in Thirukural.I have also heard that Adinath is first Thirthankar in Jainism
  
  ///
  
  
  very true
  
  
• From: Gogiya (@ 57.73.12.98) on: Mon Aug 23 10:51:09 EDT 2004
  
  Lord Shiva's another name is Lord Adinath.
  Every language has its own name for Lord Shiva.
  God is one only.
  There is no two Gods in this World.
  All language came from same source, but has its own quality and beauty
  
  
• From: real (@ adsl-68-78-9-129.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) on: Wed Aug 25 00:40:21 EDT 2004
  
  so does allah, ganesha, jesus all are same!!!
  
  
• From: Gogiya (@ palo3.pacific.net.sg) on: Wed Aug 25 04:59:48 EDT 2004
  
  Allah is a name to call almighty and powerful.
  Ganesha - Son of Shiva.
  Jesus was a manifestation by spirit.
  
  
  

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