The worship of Murugan
Topic started by Mooghen Chetty (@ p8-80.intnet.mu) on Mon Apr 30 13:46:24 .
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Can anybody tell me about the origin of Murugan worship, and is His worship restricted to Tamils only?.
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- From: Lamah (@ fmoon.singnet.com.sg)
on: Sun Sep 22 07:32:34
For more info on Murugan click :
http://www.murugan.org
- From: Kumar (@ 0-2pool33-156.nas53.oakland1.ca.us.da.qwest.net)
on: Wed Mar 19 23:42:08
I am tempted to say the following after reading the feud here on caste lines.
To say that the Brahmins of India are the anthropological aryans is a myth. The black skinned brahmins ( especially those in the Vaishnavite sect ) were those Dravidians , who were given the Brahminical status by the society for their meritorial deeds.
More importantly, people were given the title from what they did ( or were able to do).
The definitions as per the olden social order
were:
Brahmana - one who is always devoted to god and is not interested in money and fame. He should have god realization.
Kshatriya - One who protects the good from the evil and is ready to give his life for it
Vaishya - One who amasses wealth and donates, where there is a need.
Kshudra - One who can't do all the above but only obey orders from the other 3 classes.
In my opinion a good "Kshudra?(by birth)" who is always devoted to GOD, is in reality, a Brahmana.
and a "Brahmin?(by birth)" who is doing/saying evil deeds, in reality doesn't belong to neither of these 4 Varnas but an outcaste.
Obviously these rules apply to all of us.
Every one of us knows now, what one's real caste is?
In my personal opinon, to say that one caste is superior to others is utterly disgusting.
- From: Mavalangkilli (@ hse-mtl-ppp60673.qc.sympatico.ca)
on: Sat May 31 13:02:01
What the heck?! You talking foolish things there is no varunas or thing it came from Aryans it's not Thamizh! Thamizhans never had any castism nor anything but ppl were called by the place they were living and what they were doing those things that u believe in is one of the mistake that Late Sanga Thamizh Literture rulers did and spoiled Thamizh countries. If i should remind u then read my words: Thamizhars old religions sivaniyam or sivam and Maliyam which had no brahmins or things everyone have their own rights to pray the God and we didn't copy this from protostants from Catholism because it's been happening ever since these religions were formed. The fact is now you have iyers and the meaning of the term iyer mean someone who is wise and a respectful person who is old and have experince. However now day you use the term Iyer to some guy who do the poosai and poosai is not pooja:@! What they are doing is they do the poosai ok we didn't have priests and well let's leave them their if that's what u want but think it again atleast they should know something about the relegion but do they? Heck no because they don't what they are doing is this: Oh it's Hinduism and doing the poosai which stands for praying the God with flowers instead of that they do this manthiram and even that is not in Thamizh! The fact is there shouldn't be a priest in Sivaniya Temple nor Maliya Temple and even if there is the priest should know about the Religion and the Priest should do the poosai in Thamizh not in a foreign language out of desire. See this kind of imposion happened during Pallavar Literature in Thamizh which did a lot of worse things and there is also a Sambanthar Quote regarding this issue 'SenthamizhPayan aRiyA anthaka manthikaL. He said to the fact they are doing the poosai in Sanskirit yet he also describe in some of his 'thEvAram' that poosai didn't happen with manthiram or things but you had all ppl in the temple and the 'vaNikar, santroer, periyavar' were doing the possai to the people and so did others who were there. You don't do it by caste or tell someone to wait outside because he is a lower caste (pathetic!) nor had a priest and nothing. But pallavars brought this ppl who called em self as Brahmins and who were vaithika priest and the Pallava kings gave land and money to these ppl and let em take over the Temple and also imposed Sanskirit in the Temple. You couldn't act against it i mean Thamizhans never were united and the fact it was a foreign King so no use but Sambanthars and his followers protested and according to what historians say that Sambanthar was burned down at his wedding by pallavars because he loved Thamizh alot and you can see that through his 'pathigangal' he mentioned The word Thamizh alot than any one else's did and he told people to follow Thamizh and not to be a monkey disrespecting it! There is no caste by the way ppl don't get brain washed. All those listed by this person 'kumar' aren't anything but which was imposed on Thamizh Kings during the Late Sanga Literature where they had lost contact with the people and thought they were one of the castism and if any one of you say there is a castism or thing will u zip it up plz? Human race is one yet you have communities divided in according to the cultural differnce it makes and so does the communication, the language and by religions and that's how Thamizhans are different but mainly of culture which is spoiled and you can rarely see a Thamizhan culture around. It's meaningless at most of the point to some ppl they just want to love this modern world and so culture that by definition is zero i don't mean we all have to stay behind or somethings if what's you think. Improvements in Technology is good it's neverthe less is bad however limitation of what you do is good respectively following the culture that's like a Math or Science formula and yet new formulas can be invented just as that new cultures can be invented however just as the new formula give advantages to the calculation the new culture should be better than the old on in a good way not leading you in a bad way. Anyhow it's nice to see you all back and plz don't make others fool by telling castism there it's there of human stupidity and it's never been used by Thamizhans til from late Thamizh sanga literature due to the fact the ppl were brain washed by that and by believing on thing like Sanskirit is the God language. I still don't know how Thamizhans fell for it but there is a weakness in each strong mind. Anyway past isn't gonna do something start a bright future avoiding such things as castism and imposing foreign language on ur mother tongue it'll do good along with following the culture the good culture not the bad one and considerably live alive but know things crystal clear and get rid of the blur and find it out ur self what happened and how thes castism were imposed that'll clear up the blur around such view. Again people those 'varunams' it doesn't excist on this planet and it shouldn't excist in all of your minds and believe it or not Casitsm never formed by Thamizh and those varunams don't call ur self upon it.
One who is devoted to God and who isn't intersted in money and fame= Thuravi
One who protects the good from the evil and is ready to give his life for it = kAvalan
One who amasses wealth and donates, where there is a need = vallall
those things mean in Thamizh and they aren't castism or things they are the name you call upon ppl who do and it's not castism again people it's just as calling a kujavan because he makes pot with the clay or vaNikan because he does business it's all same and it's like the name of your career but the above 3 things are the given name for Good deeds considered by the society and btw there isn't anyone who can't do all the above but only obey orders isn't true at all everyone has the ability to do things that they may not know but remember this people everyone is equal and everyone is good at different things. If someone says they are brahmins in TN tell em not to do that because it's a Thamizh country second of all castism doesn't excist third of all if someone call themselves as that and acting proud as if they are better or somethings it shouldn't be allowed in a Thamizh country nor in the World! VaNakam mEndum santhipoem^_^ nantri.
- From: Mavalangkilli (@ hse-mtl-ppp60673.qc.sympatico.ca)
on: Sat May 31 13:07:17 EDT 2003
By the way those who call themselves as Brahmins are the followers of Aryan castism and those who got converted to Vaithikam that's more if you want to know and if they still call themselve as that i'd suggest they better not:D in order to live in TN and unfortunality TN is a state under India and it doesn't have any power overall to do anything about relegions or castism because of lack of power if you want to know and it's pathetic and don't go like i'm seeding rebellions even if i'm is it worse than what's now day TN is? Anyway just for the concern those with dark skin similar to Thamizhans color came from Thamizh i'm not sure of Egyptians though don't have alot of evidence but overall they relate lot of group of people on Earth to Thamizh race specially by the color anyway kannadists who look like Thamizhans are anti Thamizhans and Thelungar don't speak Thamizh just as that they don't count in the category Thamizhans anymore due to the fact they just got different. Let's worry about those who are about to be converted like that who lives outside the border of TN in Kannada State and in Kerala shall we?
- From: a devote of god murugan (@ )
on: Sat May 22 04:04:11
the said story is true in puranas. but the way which forum hub has presented in thire words is not fair and it in a humanistic attitude.
some words such as sperm , should not be used in devine writings.
were as thire are other words given in such statements for the refernce.
kindly avoid such nasty words which does not have any cosmic meaning.
- From: Deva Reddy (@ rba-cache1-vif1.saix.net)
on: Mon May 24 09:12:36 EDT 2004
Dear Readers,
Are there any sites that offers the complete english translation of the Skanda Puranum, or if somebody is willing to sell me the compilation.I am from South Africa, there is no book seller that carry the compilation.
Many Thanks,
Deva Reddy
- From: Deva Reddy (@ rba-cache1-vif1.saix.net)
on: Mon May 24 09:13:26 EDT 2004
Dear Readers,
Are there any sites that offers the complete english translation of the Skanda Puranum, or if somebody is willing to sell me the compilation.I am from South Africa, there is no book seller that carry the compilation.
Many Thanks,
Deva Reddy
- From: R (@ ptr-64-201-162-1.ptr.terago.ca)
on: Tue May 25 16:25:46 EDT 2004
Mr Reddy
Try
http://murugan.org/
- From: shanmugalingam (@ node-c-afb0.a2000.nl)
on: Thu Jun 17 11:28:12
pl sir I wont sri skantha puraanam story.
- From: muruda devotees (@ )
on: Sat Aug 21 02:21:55
there is also muruga temple in
toronto
malaysia
chandigar(near punjab)
singapore
switzerland
germany
and japan
fiji
a lotttttttttttttttttttttt
- From: shivalilngam (@ 210.83.231.75)
on: Sun Aug 29 09:58:41 EDT 2004
Why not muruga or murugan temple in Hinduism of North India?
- From: Gogiya (@ palo3.pacific.net.sg)
on: Mon Aug 30 01:15:56 EDT 2004
I assumed and also heard that Muruga is a king and devotee of Shiva. Later he becomes son of Shiva. It is similarly to Jesus is Son of God (Only Father). There is no different in name given to them? I guess …same?
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