Topic started by :) Punnahai (@ proxy.cogeco.net) on Mon Aug 5 09:46:54 .
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A Tamilian is a Tamilian whatever his/her religion might be. Nevertheless, in this forum it has become common practice to suggest that non-Hindus are less Tamilian than Hindus and that Hindus are "the" only protectors of Tamil. Given this background, I am starting this thread to discuss the contributions of non-Hindus to Tamil. Please do not post in this thread unless you have something to discuss about the said subject. THE FOCUS OF THIS THREAD is CONTRIBUTION OF NON-HINDUS TO TAMIL (language) AND TAMIL LITERATURE

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• From: kalyan (@ dialpool-210-214-23-5.maa.sify.net) on: Thu Sep 12 11:20:10
  
  wait, i think "pratapa mudaliar charithiram" was written by mayooram vedha nayagam pillai, a christian.
  
  
• From: kalyan (@ dialpool-210-214-23-5.maa.sify.net) on: Thu Sep 12 11:28:36
  
  milton,
  i just happened to see the older responses to this thread.
  you can get the info you need from "thamizh ilakkiya varalaaru" by Mu.Varadharaasanaar.
  i dont think its available online.
  
  
• From: kalyan (@ dialpool-210-214-19-196.maa.sify.net) on: Fri Sep 13 04:26:02
  
  1. also, punctuations,full stops etc, were contributions from the christian side.
  2.It was veera maa munivar (Rev. JOseph Beschii), who formulated the first tamil dictionary (chatur agaradhi), about 200 yrs prior to the one formulated by Na.Kadhirai vel pillai. but beschii's work was not widely used or acclaimed at that time.
  
  
• From: mmc (@ dialpool-210-214-130-116.maa.sify.net) on: Sat Sep 14 01:52:23
  
  Good to see the that Shahjahan has joined the anti-mmc brigade (should i say punnahai as the General?!:-)) ).Anyhow to help Shahjahan i am posting some details on the 'First Women Muslim writer in Tamil- Sithi Junaida Begum:
  
  Sithi Junaida Begum:
  
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  Sithi Junaidha Begum of Nagore was born in 1916 or 1917, as she herself put it. She was born to Sheriff Beig and Muthu Kani. She comes from a literary family of Vannakkalanjiya Pulavar. She died in March 19,1998. The sole honour of being the first Tamil Muslim woman-writer goes to her..She was inspired to write, due to her close association and intimacy with her scholarly brother Hussain Munawwar Beig., who was also a writer and popular public speaker. She could write in Tamil, Arabic and Arabu-Tamil languages very well though she had no proper schooling.
  
  She started writing from the age of twelve. An essay and a short story were first published in 1929, in 'Darul Islam', a magazine of her day.
  
  Title of the Work
  Nature of the work
  Date of Publication
  
  1. Kaadhala Kadamaiya ?
  A Romantic Novel forewarded by the famous Tamil scholar Dr. U.Ve.Swaminatha Iyer
  
  
  2. Mazizhamboo
  A Social Novel
  
  
  3.Sanbagavalli Devi Alladhu Thennadu pondha Abbasi Kulathendral
  A Historical Novel, written after considerable research, on the origin and growth of Abbasite rulers in South India.
  
  
  4. Islamum Pengalum
  Her last work to be published. A collection of her published articles on various topics, published by her sister's son A.S. Mohamed Rafee, who also writes under the pen-name 'Nagore Rumi'.
  
  
  
  During one of her conversation with Nagore Rumi, she said after the first publication, women folk flocked to see her, as though she was a raped spinster, as it was unprecedented and revolutionary for a Muslim woman to write and publishe her name! But the 'unravished bride of quitness' faced such opposition in her own way, by continuing to write for more than half century.
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• From: SV (@ 61.11.36.232) on: Sat Sep 14 05:07:31
  
  In fact, some of the serious poets of the current period are all Muslims. What would modern tamil poetry be without Abul Rahman, Mehta and Inqulab?
  
  
• From: mmc (@ 61.11.82.82) on: Sat Sep 14 06:16:09
  
  Mehta is muslim? surprising....
  
  i heard abdul rahman's daughter is also a poet.
  
  i'm posting some more to help shahjahan:
  
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  Vaa. Ghulam Kadir Naavalar
  Most versatile, most popular and important Poet. A polyglot & his works included poetry in the Tamil classical tradition, prose and translations too. He was journalist too. Launched 'Vidya Visarini' in Penang of Malaya (today's Malaysia). He is also referred to as ' Maha Vidwan', the honorific title conferred on him.He was also called the 'Fourth Nakkeerar' of Madurai Tamil Sangam. Died on 28.01.1908.
  
  
  1.Title of the Work
  A. Nature of the work
  Date of Publication
  
  1. Pirabandha Thirattu
  A Collection of few different kinds of poems
  
  
  
  3. Mukashaba Malai ( 13 cantos & 300 Songs)
  A short epic about the events of Ascention (Miraj) in the dream of Qadir Wali
  1899 & 1983 A.D
  
  4. Guwaleer Kalambagam
  101 Songs in praise of the Saint of Guwaliar, Muhammad Ghoudh (Usdad of saint Qadir Wali)
  1882 A.D
  
  5. Thiru Makka Thiribandhaadhi
  100 songs in praise of Mecca
  1895 A.D, SriLanka
  
  6. Qadir Puraanam
  About the life of Qadir Wali, of 30 cantos & 1359 songs
  1893 A.D
  
  7. Arifu Nayagam
  A poem on Saint ahamad Kabir Rifai, based on the Arabic work "Noorul Ahmadiyyah". the poem is in 2 books, 43 cantos & 2373 songs
  1896 A.D
  
  8. Bagudhadhuk Kalambagam
  101 songs about Baghdad where Saint Muhyiddin Abdul Qadir Jilani is entombed
  1894 A.D Chennai
  
  9. Fathaaihu Kalambagam
  101 songs on the city of Fathaihu where Saint Ahmad Kabir Rifai is enshrined
  1900
  
  10. Madurai Tamil Sangathu Pulavaraatruppadai
  A work on the Fourth Tamil Sangam of Madurai, established in 1901
  1903 , Ist ed 1968 , 2nd ed by Dr. M.M. Uvais of Sri Lanka
  
  11.Daruga Maalai
  100 songs about Nagore Dargah Shariff
  3rd ed in 1928 by Vaa.Ku. Muhammad Arif Navalar, s/o the poet
  
  12. Mummanikkovai
  
  
  
  13. Makkak Kovai
  
  
  
  14. Madhina Kalambagam
  
  
  
  15. Bagudhadhuya Maga Andhadhi
  
  
  
  16. Satchidhanandha Malai
  
  
  
  17. Samuthira Malai
  Songs in praise of Md. Naina Maraicar, another contemporary poet
  
  
  18. Maduraik Kovai
  
  
  
  19. Guru Sthothra Maalai
  
  
  
  20. Fathul Misir Bahanasha Puranam
  
  
  
  21. Kanjil Karamaath
  A very famous biography of Qadir Wali, the great Saint of Nagore, describing in detail all the miracles worked by the saint
  1902
  
  22. Seerappurana Vasanam
  A kind of paraphrase of the epic 'Sira puranam' on the life of Prophet Muhammad (Sal)
  
  
  23. Thiru Mani
  Maalai Vasanam
  A prose work on 'Thiru Mani Maalai'
  
  
  24. Arifu Nayagam Vasanam
  A prose work on Saint Ahmad Kabir Rifai
  
  
  25. Seera Nabi Avadhaarap padala Urai
  A prose work on a part of the Tamil epic 'Seera Puranam' describing the birth of Prophet Muhammad (Sal) and the events thereafter.
  
  
  26. Seera Nabi Avadhaarappadala Urai Kadilaga Niragaranam
  A work similar the previous one.
  
  
  27. Nannool Vilakkam
  Notes to 'Nannool'
  
  
  28. Poruththa Vilakkam
  A similar work
  
  
  29. Isai Nunukka Inbam
  A work on music and its nuances.
  
  
  30. Arabic Tamil Agaradhi
  A dictionary of Arabu Tamil , a dialect of Tamil which takes its script from Arabic
  
  
  31. Madur Tamil Sanga Manmiyam
  A work glorifying Madurai Tamil Sangam
  
  
  32. Fiqh Maalai of Qadir Muhyiddin Annaaviyar
  Notes to the work of Annaviyar
  1890 & 1990
  
  33. Tariqul Jinnah of Syed Abdul Wahhab
  Notes to the work of Syed Abdul Wahhab
  1335 A.H.
  
  34. Thiru Madhinathu Andhaadhi of Trichy K. Pitchai Ibrahim Pulavar
  Note to the work of Pitchai Ibrahim Pulavar
  1893 A.D
  
  35. Umaru Bashavin Yuddha Sarithiram
  A translation from English to Tamil of the book 'Umar' by Reynolds
  
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  BUt one unfortunate tendency which i see among these poets and writers is that they see themselves as Arabs and write in Tamil as if a foreigner writes.....anyhow their contribution (even though limited to their religions and most of them are not secular) is commendable.
  
  
• From: mmc] (@ 61.11.82.82) on: Sat Sep 14 06:20:20
  
  Another intersting writer i came across in the website on someone called Muhammad Abdul Kader Cassim
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  Popularly known as 'Lawyer Cassim' was a graduate of Psychometaphysic Philosophy and senior member of the Mystic International Brotherhood of 'Sjuthari' founded in 1959 A.C. He was also Gray's Inn Barrister -at - Law.
  
  Title of the Work
  Nature of the Work
  Date of Publication
  
  1. Value of Food Chemistry
  A book on balanced diet for the physical and spiritual well-being of man. It also recommends certain yogas
  Modern Book Centre, Malaysia 1990
  
  2. Five Simple Yogas : To keep fit (Illustrated)
  A book on yogas with interesting anecdotes from Moghul History
  1989
  
  3. Cure and Miracle Techniques of Swami Satya Sai Baba
  A book in defence of the Baba
  1989
  
  4. Meditation technique to Read a state of Hypnosis
  A book on Yoga, TM and Hypnotism
  1989
  
  5. Eyes
  A book on the power of eyes with interesting anecdotes from history
  1989
  
  6. Long life with out Old Age and Disease
  A book on maintaining well being and longivity with reference to spiritual exercises such as deep-breathing.
  1989
  
  7. Imagination and Relaxation
  
  1989
  
  
  Mohamed Abdul Kader Cassim(Lawyer Cassim) of Nagore expired on 19.12.2001. He was 99.His body was buried in Nagore Durgah Garaveyard.He was a barrister from London and worked as a lawyer for a long time in Kitta district of Malaysia and was also legal advisor to the royal family of Malaysia.He was a polyglot and was fluent in English, Tamil, Malay and Persian. He had written many books in English and Tamil on spiritual, medical and psychological matters. In the year 1928, he edited the Naagai Andhaadhi which expressed his love of Tamil, his mother-tongue and his keen interest in Islamic Tamil literature.
  
  
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• From: kalyan (@ dialpool-210-214-23-45.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Sep 16 02:50:45
  
  the contemporary writer/poet manushyaputhran too is a muslim.
  
  
• From: :) Punnahai (@ d221-216-99.systems.cogeco.net) on: Wed Oct 2 14:27:53
  
  Late Dr. Gift Siromoney did quite a bit of research in his life time.
  
  "One of the areas of Tamilology in which Prof. Siromoney has made significant contribution is Tamil musicology. If Abraham Pandither reformulated the discipline in the early 20th century and thereby initiated a virtual renascence in Tamil music and musicology, Prof.Siromoney threw new light on ancient music material ('Some New Light on Stringed Instruments of the Ancient Tamil Country'), provided fresh insights by bringing to bear modern scientific techniques upon the data of the field ('Statistical Aids in Tamil Studies', 'Style as information in Karnatic Music', 'Computer Recognition and Transliteration of Mridangam Mnemonics', 'Machine Recognition of Hand-printed Tamil Musical Notation' and so on), addressed new questions ('A Pallava Musical Instrument'), and opened new avenues for research. His academic forays into sculptures have yielded us not only a fairly good idea of ancient Tamil costumes and jewellery, but also substantial musicological data and clarified isssues in the field. For example, in the light of the sculptural depiction of cakota yaal at Darasuram temple, he proves the earlier accounts that attribute a curved stem to this instrument wrong. Though the chief target here is Vipulanandar's Yaal Nuul (1947, v-vi), there are others like the entry in Tamil Kalaikkalanjiyam (by Vellaivaranar, 1961, viii.582)."
  
  More details http://www.cmi.ac.in/gift/TamilStudies.htm
  
  
  

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