Krishna did exist!
Topic started by KK (@ law-b8.law.utexas.edu) on Tue May 27 21:51:13 .
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http://www.the-week.com/23jun01/cover.htm
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- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Tue May 27 22:18:27 EDT 2003
Of course he did!
And he had helluva fun with all those chicks down there.
- From: Skanthavelu Nadarajah (@ edtntnt7-port-277.dial.telus.net)
on: Tue May 27 22:48:31 EDT 2003
If Lord Krishna did exist, which I strongly believe He did, I doubt He had that blue complexion. He was probably dark brown or almost black with a blue tinge. Is it possible Lord Krishna was a thamizhan or a descendent of Harappa/Mohenjo Daro?
- From: ###.### (@ 61.11.80.186)
on: Wed May 28 02:09:01 EDT 2003
Yes . U R Right.He was a playboy at his time.
- From: KK (@ law-b7.law.utexas.edu)
on: Wed May 28 15:07:28 EDT 2003
That episode of his 16,108 wives is so misrepresented. Here is the true story:
After Krishna kills Narakasura, he frees the 16,108 women whom Narakasura kept in his harem. Those freed women requested Krishna to protect them and Krishna agreed to protect them as he would protect his wife.
Besides all of us know how Kannan - the cherised one is sung about in Tamizh poetry!
- From: KK (@ law-b7.law.utexas.edu)
on: Wed May 28 15:09:56 EDT 2003
//###.### (@ 61.11.80.186) //
Hey you Eunuch Mahavir why don't you go around nu*de like your Digambara monks? Afraid the police will put you in for violation of the law???
- From: VR (@ 213.42.2.6)
on: Fri Jun 13 06:48:36 EDT 2003
The article in week seems to use some round logic in terms of establishing Aryan credentials for Dwaraka
- From: madhu (@ 199.67.140.80)
on: Fri Jun 13 10:24:30 EDT 2003
Krishna was an Aryan king and was elevated to a God after Hindu rivivlaism. The native Indians only worshipped Shiva and Kali and never accepted Aryan god Indra. Brahmins cleverly introduced avatara concept and elevated Aryan kings like rama and Krishna to gods. The dasavatara Gods are fake and it is Brahmin creation to maintain their importance.
- From: Madurai Veeran (@ adsl-66-122-61-253.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net)
on: Fri Jun 13 12:15:11 EDT 2003
Madhu,
I slightly differ from your opinion. Rama and Krishna, probably were Dravidian kings who gave refuge to the Sudhra brahmana aryas. And in that process, the Sudhra brahmana aryas might have elevated them to godhood. Sudhra brahmana aryas were and still are extremely color conscious. What are the chances of a black skinned Rama or a Krishna being an aryan god? Ironically, the dark skinned Sudhra brahmanas are the most color conscious, in the Tamil country!!!
I remeber one discussion in National Public Radio about 3-4 years back between one Chitra Ragavan and one N.Indian lady (whose name I do not recall) about childhood Krishna. Chitra Ragavan was very insistent to point out that Krishna was not black, but blue. But 'Krishna' itself means black!!! Oh well.. What do you expect of these Manuvaadi Sudhra brahminists?
- From: madhu (@ 199.67.140.80)
on: Fri Jun 13 14:39:02 EDT 2003
Dear Madurai Veeran,
I agree with your explanation that Rama and Krishna were racially Draviidans. They were brain-washed to believe they are Aryans similar to today's RSS swayamsevaks. This disease is still going on and now Komatis(chettiyars) call themselves as Arya Vaisya, and Gollas(sheppered) call themselves as Yadhavs, and some other castes shamelessly call themselves as Kshatrias. The shudra Brahmins corrupted the entire Indus-Dravidian society to maintain their importance. Most of the mythological movies produced after independance is to brain-wash our masses and control their minds. Let us hope, through education we should be able dismantle thier hold once for all.
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Fri Jun 13 19:28:12 EDT 2003
Oh my dear DMK muttals, you fail to see why Lord Krishna is not accepted among Tamizhs. Here is why. Please read carefully, this history is not going to be taught to you by Anna University.
Krishna, indeed Vishnu, was one of the primary god of the Tamils. He is hailed as ThirumAl. Infact, ThirumAl appears much before Sivan in Tamizh Sangam works.
There is even the composite story of Valmiki Ramayanam present in the Koyil Thirumozhi of Kulacekara Alwar. Thirumangai Alwar refers to both Rama and Krishna as divine gods of Tamizhs.
Let us not forget the Thiruppavai by Andal - sung even today. She loves Yashodhai ilam Cingam - Krishna.
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Fri Jun 13 19:30:37 EDT 2003
//and never accepted Aryan god Indra. //
No, the Chola kings very much did. Manimekhalai speaks about how poompuhar was sunk because the Chola king did not perform the routine worship of Indra.
Recently, the National Institute of Oceanography found the remains of the port near Poompuhar.
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Fri Jun 13 20:24:04 EDT 2003
Karuvaayan blabbered:
//ThirumAl appears much before Sivan in Tamizh Sangam works.//
I which sangam work was 'Sivan and ThirumAl' appear?
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Fri Jun 13 22:22:55 EDT 2003
KaNNan kazahliNai-- naNNUm manamudayeer
YeNNUm ThirunAmam-- tiNNam NaaraNamE
--ThiruvAimozhi: 10.5.1
(meaning): Oh People of the World (Vyatthu-VaazhveerkAL) aspiring to reach as the Supreme goal of this life on Earth , the sacred feet of Lord KrishNA , meditate on His most important naamam , NaarAyaNA . Do it without fail. That meditation will be rewarded most assuredly by Sriman NaarAyanan.
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Fri Jun 13 22:33:57 EDT 2003
//I which sangam work was 'Sivan and ThirumAl' appear?//
http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/jan98/0029.html
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Fri Jun 13 22:40:25 EDT 2003
////and never accepted Aryan god Indra. // //
Indra was praised as Uzuvar in Sangam poetry as well.
http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/jan98/0029.html
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Sat Jun 14 02:11:20 EDT 2003
Don't pull a farce one again, karuvaaya and point to anything on the web when you are conered. The sites you pointed are vedantic thingy, and say nothing of Siva and Thirumaal as the Vedics associated them. Siva and Thirumaal are names that came later for mAyOn and sEyon. The Siva and Thirumaal has nothing to do with Rudra and Vishnu of the Vedas. Especially Vishnu concept was smeared badly on the appearance of the 18 erotic puranas of Vaishnavam in sanskrit.
Don't quote biased vedatic sites here. Quote site reputed for research and unbiase view. I have a thousand sites the I would very much like to quote against your views. I don't because, though honest and unbiased and back by facts, they sound a litte militant. YOu do the same too. Just read the original Sangam Literature and post. (I know you have just started reading the Thrivaimozhi - keep it up!)
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Sat Jun 14 03:06:19 EDT 2003
See, the DMK moron is fizzed out. He is not able to accept the truth. Those website are original translation and even quote from unbiased sources themselves.
Siva and ThirumAl were very much the Rudra and Vishnu of the Rig Veda. This is attested by the fact that the Thirumanthiram and Thiruvaymozhi speak about Rudra and Visnhu as vedapurushan respectively.
In reality no unbiased scholar such as Kamil Zvelbil, George L Hart, A K Ramanujan would take the position of DMK morons like Idiappam, Dr Madurai Muttal et al. Simply because they are not backward and do not have the luxury of BC certificates!
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Sat Jun 14 03:46:13 EDT 2003
No, you Karuvaayan have not quoted anything from the Vedic description of Rudra and Vishnu. YOu have not made a comparison of vedic Rudra and Vishnu with Siva and Thirumaal of the Tamils.
Come on Karu, you can do better, don't quote irellavant articles of Zvelbil, Hart, Ramanujam etc. Go direct to the source. Show me the direct links the Siva, Thirumaal of Tamils and Rudra,Visnu of Vedas.
I tell you there are NONE!
Hint: Rudra means the roarer (Rig Veda). Siva means the red one. No where in the Vedas is Siva descriped as the Red one.
Read the Vedas. or burn in hell , you karuvaayan
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Sat Jun 14 06:57:54 EDT 2003
http://www.shaivam.org
It is better that you learn how to fish than being given a fish every time you beg for it.
- From: Miami (@ 0-1pool108-29.nas4.peoria1.il.us.da.qwest.net)
on: Sat Jun 14 12:20:39 EDT 2003
Stop giving rotten fishes for free in the first place! Nobody begs for rotten fishes.
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Sat Jun 14 17:17:13 EDT 2003
You are so rotten, that anything given fresh to you becomes rotten at that instant itself!
- From: Miami (@ 0-1pool108-44.nas4.peoria1.il.us.da.qwest.net)
on: Sun Jun 15 01:43:56 EDT 2003
hahaha... Karuvayan needs a lesson on fish and fishing first.
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Sun Jun 15 02:27:45 EDT 2003
Know first! Sanskrit is a fish, very slippery. But there is no fish without water. The native tonques of Indian - The Prakrits and Dravidics provided the water.
- From: \ (@ 61.11.79.140)
on: Sun Jun 15 06:45:04 EDT 2003
Karuvaya,
Why worry about Krishna existed or not..???
It is very important to control the temple incomes and proper Devadasi system.....
And most important: "Undaikatti" and "Oottupurai"... God will come next..!!!!
Thadiyan
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Sun Jun 15 07:33:38 EDT 2003
Lets us also post about Paedophilic roman catholic priests, homose*xuality within the american church, the Baptist church charged with Terrorism charges in Tripura, and last but not least - CASTEISM within the christian church in india.
- From: Kickboxer (@ ppp-219.65.112.118.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Sun Jun 15 15:30:18 EDT 2003
Krishna did exist, he smoked Khaja beedi and sometimes governor beedi and ate Mutta briyani.
- From: Kickboxer (@ ppp-219.65.112.118.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Sun Jun 15 15:57:09 EDT 2003
The evidence that Krishna existed is his credit card receipt, which was found near a Paan beeda shop. He had purchased Khaja beedi using his Visa card!
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Sun Jun 15 16:30:00 EDT 2003
you idiots will never evolve!
- From: K,Janarthanan (@ palo5.pacific.net.sg)
on: Mon Jun 16 08:40:21 EDT 2003
//ThirumAl appears much before Sivan in Tamizh Sangam works.//
er... can anyone tell me the verse which praised Lord Shiva ( Sivan) in the Sangam works? I LOVE Shiva and believe that nothing but Him is the Supreme. So , I am ebver seaching evidences for Lord Shiva being the oldest God in Hinduism, if not, in the world
- From: Harish Kumar (@ 203.195.215.254)
on: Mon Jun 16 11:34:22 EDT 2003
//Show me the direct links the Siva, Thirumaal of Tamils and Rudra,Visnu of Vedas.
//
He wants direct links to Shiva and Parvathi in Kailash.Give it to him Karuvayan.i am sure you can do it.
Kuduthaalum kudppaan karuvayan.
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Mon Jun 16 16:36:41 EDT 2003
Janarthan:
http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/jan98/0029.html
- From: K.Janarthanan (@ palo5.pacific.net.sg)
on: Tue Jun 17 08:37:23 EDT 2003
Errrm... Sorry Karuvayan , but I can't the verse on Lord Shiva in that webpage you gave me...how abouttyping it into this forum instead of giving me links..please ?
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