Topic started by vaidyanathanan (@ dialpool-210-214-208-152.maa.sify.net) on Sun Apr 13 08:21:24 .
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please read the site below and pass comments on what can happen if tamilnadu goes the same way.


www.kashmir-information.com/ConvertedKashmir/

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• From: vaidyanathan (@ dialpool-210-214-209-112.maa.sify.net) on: Sun Apr 13 14:55:13 EDT 2003
  
  READ THE BELOW QUOTATIONS FROM THE BOOK MENTIONED ABOVE AND MAKE UP YOUR MINDS PLEASE.
  
  "From here started the contact between the Kashmiri Hindus and the followers of Islam in every field of the society. First of all a ruler of Kashmir, Kalash, inaugurated the campaign for this interaction and contact by having a love affair with a Muslim dancer. Later on King Harsha appointed Muslims on the key posts in the Army and the administration. Harash himself had been impressed by the principles of Islam and thus Kalhana has dubbed him a "Turk". During the time of Harsha, that is towards the end of the 13th century, a small but powerful Muslim colony had been established in Kashmir. That way the work of religious conversion had started at a slow pace. "
  
  "With Government resources and facilities these Syeds opened many centres in Kashmir where, as per the plan, poor Kashmiri Pandits were given food, clothes, medicines etc., free of cost. The imperialistic designs behind such attractions have been vividly described by a Muslim historian, M.D. Sufi, in his book ''Kashmir" He has written that Syeds became popular among the Muslim kings who were influenced by them. They established many preaching centres where people were given food free of cost and afterwards these very people were accepted in Islam. "
  
  
  "As a result of long but powerful campaign of conversion, a type of "Muslim-Brahmin class" took birth in Kashmir. This class received full patronage from the Syeds. They were appointed on posts in the administration. It was natural that this so called Muslim-Brahmin class came into confrontation and confict with the Hindu Brahmins. The history gives an account of some af the fights and small battles between the two sides. Since these Muslim Pandits had the support of the Syeds and the Government, it resulted in the destruction of the basic society. There was no security arrangements for the protection of life and property of Pandits. Hidden behind this struggle was the political trick of the Syeds who succeeded in removing original residents from the Government posts."
  
  "As a result of the political intrigue of Syed Ali Hamdaani some Hindu recluse and 37,000 Hindus adopted Islam. Historian Bamzai has written that outwardly the Syed would praise eloquently the Hindu religion but inwardly he used to hate the saints of this religion. After achieving great success in his mission he, while giving up his guise of love and coexistence, asked the Sultan to carry out forcible conversion of Hindus. But the Sultan refused to accept thio direction of the Syed. Possibly the Sultan had it in his mind that Kashmir continued to be a Hindu majority state and any forcible conversion could result in a revolt. Thus it was thought necessary to remain in power for the propagation of Islam. "
  
  
  "As a result of the efforts of Syed Ali Hamdani a new generation of converted Muslims was born. The people of this generation supported not only the foreign religious preachers on the religious plank but also contributed fully in their activities connected with forcible conversion. These people left no stone unturned in demolishing monasteries and temples built by their ancestors. Thc eagerness with which these converted people demonstrated their faith in foreign religious practices hy destroying the established ancient practices is a highly dark chapter of the history of Kashmir. "
  
  "After receiving full support from Sikander, Mohd. Hamdani started forcible conversion of Hindus in Kashmir. The dream that his father could not fructify was completed by Mohd. Hamdani with the help of Sikander. The Prime Minister of Sikander, Suha Bhat, played a prominent role in this bloody campaign. Suha Bhat was a Hindu but he had adopted Islam under the request of Mohd. Hamdani and under the threat of elimination from Sikander. His name as a converted Muslim Prime Minister became Saifuddin. He assumed the leadership of the converted Muslims and in shoulder to shoulder with Sikander he got engaged fully in making Kashmir a Hinduless state. This converted wolf, out of greed for power, played a special role in demolishing all the signs and symbols of Indianness in Kashmir."
  
  
  "This anti-national Saifuddin demonstrated his excitement by brandishing the Islamic sword on the necks of Hindus. Those Hindus who refused conversion were tortured. The Hindu scriptures were thrown in the Dal lake. Seven maunds of sacred thread worn by those Hindus, who were killed under his instructions, were burnt. To perpetuate this terror Sikander got formed an organisation called "Sheikh-ud-Islam" with the help of Saifuddin (Suha Bhat)."
  
  
  "An announcement was made in the city that the Hindu who would not adopt Islam was either to be killed or to be banished. As a result of it many Hindus fled from Kashmir, many accepted Islam. Many Brahmins preferred death and died. It is said that Sikander collected six maunds of sacred thread from the converted Hindus and got it burnt. Hazrat Amir Kabir has witnessed the scene himself and he suggested to Sikander that he should impose taxes on the Hindus instead of torturing them to death. All the Hindu scriptures were collected and thrown in the Dal lake and were buried under clay and stones. "
  
  
  "Syed Mohd. Hamdani had made Sikander to understand that so long the idols in the temples of idol worshipping infidels were not destroyed, there would be no purpose of conversion. These very places of their deities were source of their inspiration. These very centres may inspire them, in future, to give up Islam. Thus destruction of these places was necessary for delinking fresh converts from their national roots and mainstream. If such places of deities were allowed to survive, inspiration for Indianness will survive. "
  
  "many temples during the time of Hindu kings which were just like wonders of the world. Their design and art were so fine and delicate that a viewer would get spellbound. Filled with jealousy and hatred Sikander destroyed these temples. From the material of the temples mosques and shrines were built. First of all he focussed his attention towards Martand temple built by Ramdev. "
  
  ""Either adopt Islam, or accept death or banishment" throughout Kashmir. "
  
  "The Hindus were forced to pay the taxes during Shivratri, Diwali, Ram Navmi, Navratra and Yagnopavit (sacred thread wearing ceremony). In addition to this, taxes were imposed on every pilgrimage. "
  
  "This tax was so painful and horrible that common Hindu would not be able to pay it. And those who could not pay the tax had only the alternative of either facing rigorous imprisonment, or death or acceptance of Islam. "
  
  "Many plans were formulated for Islamisation of Kashmir. From allurements to massacre, all means were adopted with the help of the administration for achieving this aim. "
  
  "Sultan Ali Shah, through Government instructions, ordered a search of Pandits and all of them were forced to adopt Islam. It is believed that under the stormy religious conversion, carried out by Sikander and his son, Ali Shah, only 11 families of Hindus were left in Kashmir. The rest were converted, killed or had been forced to migrate."
  
  "During the rule of the Chhaks the Brahmins were subjected to special pressures. They had to pay for performing their religious customs. The house in which lived a family of charactered Brahmin had to pay a yearly gift to the king for preserving his sect. Every Brahmin was supposed to present 40 precious stones (emerald and diamonds) to the king annually for the preservation of their sacred thread. Good Brahmins had left the country. Weak Brahmins had relinquished their sect. "
  
  "About 28,000 Pandits were forcibly converted into to Shia sect. The property of the Hindus was confiscated. Those who were allowed to live had to pay taxes imposed by Moosa Raina. "
  
  
  "Shahjahan was emotional about Kashmir. During his time one Persian poet, Urfi, has expressed Shahjahan's emotions in the following couplet:
  
  (If there is paradise in the world, it is then this Kashmir, it is here, it is here).
  
  But this land was not a paradise only because of its lovely mountains, cool valleys and streams. This land was called a paradise because of the high human principles of art, cultural value, religious equaiity and coexistence. But the conception of paradise on the part of Muslim kings was based on materialism and that is why they used to come to the valley for satiating their lust in the paradise. Thus the land they called the paradise was actually a land of lust for them. Here lies the difference between the Indian mind, which used to worship the land in the form of mother, and that of the foreigners for whom the land was merely a land of lust."
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: vaidyanathanan (@ dialpool-210-214-209-112.maa.sify.net) on: Sun Apr 13 15:06:30 EDT 2003
  
  We can thus see how conversion spreads gradually from a state of infancy to complete intolerance.Even today there are many in western europe like the celtics and the druids and even the gypsies who detest christians for forcibly converting them.Compare the forced converters to early christian preachers who came to west europe as meek preachers out to teach peace and brotherliness,as a society victimized by the jews etc and see what they did after they penetrated the corridors of power.
  
  
• From: :0 (@ d150-35-51.home.cgocable.net) on: Sun Apr 13 16:01:08 EDT 2003
  
  Looks like vaidyanathan's hatred has moved from Tirunelveli Brahmins to Christians. Good job vaidyanathan!
  
  
• From: vaidyanathanan (@ dialpool-210-214-216-55.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Apr 14 14:25:30 EDT 2003
  
  sorry i dont hate tirunelveli brahmins even a little inch.i only consider the tanjoreans as a whole are greater and more traditional than others cutting across caste lines.
  
  anyway what i am writing here has nothing to do with muslims as individuals .i am talking of the phenomena of conversion.
  
  SO IF YOU CANT DISPROVE THE OCCURENCE OF THE EVENTS ABOVE ATLEAST SAY THAT WHAT HAPPENED WAS RIGHT OR WRONG.IT DOES NOT MATTER EVEN IF YOU SAID IT WAS RIGHT.WHO KNOWS THE QURAN MAY BE RIGHT IN SAYING THAT ALL NON MUSLIMS MUST BE TREATED BRUTALLY,STABBED,FORCIBLY CONVERTED ETC.SAY THAT ATLEAST AND TRY TO CONVINCE ME THAT WHAT HAPPENED WAS FOR THE GOOD.THAT THIS WAS GOD'S WAY OF SPREADING A HOLY RELIGION AMONG HERETICS LIKE ME."BUT PLEASE DONT SIDE TRACK THE DISCUSSION"
  
  
• From: vaidyanathanan (@ dialpool-210-214-216-55.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Apr 14 14:28:55 EDT 2003
  
  my mention of christians was only to talk of the phenomena of conversions as a whole.
  
  

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