Topic started by Sri Kanth (@ 219.95.19.253) on Fri Nov 21 05:23:33 EST 2003.
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Veera Pandiya Kattapomman, Thirumalai Nayakkar and Rani Mangammal were ruled tamil area's. I like to discuss on this matter. Is it bcoz of Krishna Deva raya ?

Responses:

• From: R (@ h66-59-174-253.gtconnect.net) on: Fri Nov 21 10:34:37 EST 2003
  
  It is because of Vijayanagara rule in Tamilaham that Telugus became landlords and Tacx collectors and petty Kings.
  
  
• From: velu (@ 203.115.31.44) on: Fri Nov 28 02:03:57 EST 2003
  
  Cholas themselves used to rule and Historical chola dynasty was from Andra as well as Pallava.
  There is also section of Vanniyans the largest caste in T.N. in Andra who speak Thelegu.
  
  
• From: sudhakar (@ 203.145.181.42) on: Fri Nov 28 07:28:27 EST 2003
  
  there is a special tribe called telugu cholas
  during the end of sanga cholas.even kulothunga
  chola is himself a mixed of telugu and tamil
  ethnic.
  
  
• From: tamilnesan (@ 210-210-64-161.lan.sify.net) on: Sat Nov 29 00:17:46 EST 2003
  
  chola chere pandiya's are tamil rulers only.during the end of sangam age and after karikala's period.kalamparar conqured TN .during this period pandia,s went to srilanka and ruled anurathapura for nearly 100 years(note:MAHAVAMSA)
  cheras asylemed in the thick western ghat forest.
  chola,s moved north and setelled in the region south to north pennar in the dist of caddapauh nellore anathpur.the insciption found at caddapauh show that their are of karikala chola.
  but in days they sloely mingled with natives and become telugu's
  klothunga chola became a king only as Rajendra II has no successor.further more as klonthunga is the son of kundavai II(sis of rajander chola)and prince of venki he came to trown only by using his Tamil ID
  
  
• From: GA (@ 203.196.130.22) on: Sat Nov 29 02:38:33 EST 2003
  
  First of all, Krishna Deva Raya was Tulu speaking.
  
  The generals, Nagama Naik and Viswanatha Naik who came to Madurai represending Vijayanagar Empire were Telugu speaking and hence the subsequent Madurai Naicker rulers were Telugus. This lineage includes Thirumalai Naicker and Rani Mangammal. If one cares to read the history of Vijayanagar Empire, one can make out that it was not a Telugu Empire, but a pan south indian hindu empire having representatives from all parts. Only when Vijayanagar empire became weak, the telugu rulers declared independence. But this was for a very short period.
  
  
• From: sepala (@ 203.115.31.44) on: Sat Nov 29 03:49:25 EST 2003
  
  Pandya means white and Ela means the same thing and Mahavansha if you read in between lines confirms the notion that Pandyas were a Prakruth speaking group who ruled whole of T.n. as well as a Branch of first royal family in Sri lanka.
  
  
• From: vanniya padayatchi (@ 203.199.224.54) on: Sat Nov 29 04:48:48 EST 2003
  
  vanniyars mothertounge is tamil only. they were the rulers of pallava nadu
  
  
• From: Dr.S.R.Shankaranarayanan (@ 203.90.108.177) on: Fri Dec 5 12:53:01 EST 2003
  
  
  vanniyar initially claimed to be bhramins later
  kshathriyas but no proof refer to IndianExpress article " Know our community ". There is no proper history about present communities which where ruling Tamilnadu before 12th century. every thing was destroye by invaders like krishnadevaraya . Actually Vishawanath Nayak was
  an observer of then Pandyan king. He was summoned by k'raya to do so But he assassinated Pandyan King and crowned himself as king. This is the fact from then onwardsnaicker started suppressing
  all tamilians. Eventhough thevars were soldiers they were not given any education in Thirumalai naicker's regime. He built mansions only. Tamil Kings never built any palace or mansions they kived a simple life. that's why we dont see any fort or palace of Chera chlolas or pandyas.we see only the great temples. that's the gratness of
  tamilnadu rulers democracy was known in Chola,s
  period. Untouchability was brought by Naickers,
  and British to tamilnadu. If you look into chola history they divided people into three sectors
  Rajani,Senani and Gramani.( King ,soldiers and
  village chieftain who was selected by kudavolai).
  In conclussion why you want to fight in the name of caste let us alljoin hands to strngthen our country.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sun Dec 7 10:29:50 EST 2003
  
  Vanni = Forest or Bush in Pali & sanskrit!
  
  So the Vanniyans are Bush-men and cannot be rulers anywhere!
  
  Pallava decendants are Kaikola or Senguntha Mudalis. Vanniyans always laborers like Pallans and kallans!
  
  
• From: jeevan (@ ) on: Thu Dec 25 03:37:13
  
  K'raya mother tongue is pali but he liked Telugu languege howcome my freind GA tell he is tulu speaking
  
  
• From: jeevan (@ 210.186.220.31) on: Thu Dec 25 03:41:29 EST 2003
  
  pallava's are khsathriyas not agnikula khsathriya. when vanniyar's agnikulakhsathriya's. howcome vanniyar's are pallavas. Vanniyar's are they Telugu ?
  
  

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