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1st May 2008, 08:28 PM
#211
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Often antiquity is confused with greatness. There are some not so great literary works that have been celebrated in the past just for their antiquity and there are some really good works in the modern era lost amidst mediocrity. It must be considered that it is very difficult for a modern literary work to be named as a classic.
Well put. I see a similar analogy of regarding the intensity of ideology and literary merit in the Dravidian movement.
Heck, I vaguely remember reading a book that dismissed Bharathi's literary stature. Critiqued the lack of basic knowledge of grammar of Tamil poetry, unoriginal metaphors, inappropriate analogies and inconsistent expression. All this while acknowledging that he is an important Tamil thinker in the 20th century.
With my feeble skills of literary evaluation I find the critique harsh. But I was impressed by the separation of literary merit from the intensity of opinion. I am curious to know if many Dravidian litterateurs would pass muster.
Here I would also like to admit my considerable underexposure to the Dravidian literary giants. But I have made some attempts to prod through Anna's novels, Bharathidasan's Pandiyan Parisu, some poems of Suratha etc. I was quite underwhelmed.
I was particularly disappointed with Anna's writings - which I landed after reading a few of his impressive parliamentary speeches. I was only led to the conclusion that story-writing was not his line. Which is fine. But what concerns me is the laudatory statements made about his literary contributions. I try and subtract some measure of fulsome praise -which has come to become our cultural signature. Even after that I am still believe he is genuinely thought of as an important literary contributor to the movement. That leads to me view with suspcion the literary merits of a body of work, which - as I mentioned earlier - I am significantly underexposed to.
Which is why I want to know if I am missing something, as you make a strong statement like:
Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
The blatant truth is that dravidian movement has been the major driving force behind modern tamil literature.
மூவா? முதல்வா! இனியெம்மைச் சோரேலே
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1st May 2008 08:28 PM
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1st May 2008, 11:24 PM
#212
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Your views on Anna and other's writing is in line with mine. But we cannot blame them either. They are supposed to impress the mass audience who devotes his time sparingly on reading books and so on. So their emphasis was on selling and numbers perhaps. Another thing is they were building a legacy from scratch. Remember unlike Begalis they did not go the Western route. Also unlike Kannads they did not go the Sanskrit route. Total volume wise their contribution far surpassed contribution in anyother language. In anycase the Dravidian (read Tamil or Southern)contribution to literature was original, unadulterated.
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2nd May 2008, 09:11 PM
#213
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Coming back to Periyar .. I heard Rajaji descibed him as 64th Azhwar. Definitely he knew Periyar more than anyone (may be even more than Maniammai did). But again, why should he need to compare Periyar with only Azhwars. Why not with others ? Why not with Sankara ? Can we continue the discussion on that lines also ? My knowledge of the Azhwars is very less. Do Azhwars have the nature of revolting against the society they lived and infuse into it a new revolutionary ideas devoiding it of evils in their times ? If Rajaji's analysis and analogy was correct, it will be a lesson for both believers and non-believers.
The lesson the believer will have to learn is that Periyar did no different than what the Azhwars did during their times.
The lesson the non-believer will be learning is that religion is nothing but collection of teachings of people like Periyar (like Azhwars).
Albert Einstein
"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!"
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2nd May 2008, 09:57 PM
#214
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Originally Posted by
pizzalot
Coming back to Periyar .. I heard Rajaji descibed him as 64th Azhwar. Definitely he knew Periyar more than anyone (may be even more than Maniammai did). But again, why should he need to compare Periyar with only Azhwars. Why not with others ? Why not with Sankara ? Can we continue the discussion on that lines also ? My knowledge of the Azhwars is very less. Do Azhwars have the nature of revolting against the society they lived and infuse into it a new revolutionary ideas devoiding it of evils in their times ? If Rajaji's analysis and analogy was correct, it will be a lesson for both believers and non-believers.
The lesson the believer will have to learn is that Periyar did no different than what the Azhwars did during their times.
The lesson the non-believer will be learning is that religion is nothing but collection of teachings of people like Periyar (like Azhwars).
A small dig. Pizzalot. did Rajaji really said 64th Azhvaar. As far as I know there were only 12 azhwaars and 63 Naayanmaars.
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2nd May 2008, 10:22 PM
#215
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Originally Posted by
sivank
A small dig. Pizzalot. did Rajaji really said 64th Azhvaar. As far as I know there were only 12 azhwaars and 63 Naayanmaars.
So much for the memory of what I heard. Please correct it as Nayanmaars instead.
Albert Einstein
"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!"
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5th May 2008, 09:56 PM
#216
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Interesting and relevant info from today's TOI ..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/M...ow/3010490.cms
Can we read between lines ?
Albert Einstein
"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!"
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