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Let me take the pleasure of starting a new thread. Raja in good form and growing. Expect him to treat us with much more addictive stuff.
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Let me take the pleasure of starting a new thread. Raja in good form and growing. Expect him to treat us with much more addictive stuff.
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Another review, not a copy of IANS one
Courtesy of HeartA from Orkut IR Community
Paa - Music Review
Courtesy of Rakesh from Orkut IR Community
Amitabh Bachan writing about Ilaiyaraaja in his blog
MSK,
You are very correct about 'Odathandil'. It is a lovely melody and I listen to it every day. Yes, 'adhiushas' is addictive now doubt. Even if I am reading a book while the song is playing the background, I stop my reading for a minute and join the singing when Jesudas goes 'Anathera mamala than mounamudachu'. Such is the power of the song. (And when Chitra starts 'kunnathe' I close the book :)
kiru,
I would agree with your observation to a large extent though not fully. What seems to have happened in 'Paa' is that Raja has brought to fore the traditional elements associated with western music, be it a rock ballad or jazz, and slightly pushed his own trademark a bit back. The trademarks are definitely there but the ones coming to the fore are the more genre based elements. Like the way 'gali mudi' songs starts on the guitar is very reminiscent of some of Eagles love ballads. But the Mohanam touch is that of the master. (That pentatonic scale does exist and is used often in Rock music as well but the way it is used in this song is very Raajaish) The second interlude of 'gum sum gum' is clearly jazz and the keyboard playing there does not really carry any added twist of Raja. It is lovely but as you say, the Raja twist may not be there but the prelude carries his stamp. The 'hichki' song carries his stamp more according to me.
I am loving the 'gali mudi' song a lot. On one hand the orchestration is more 'standard' as you say but the tune is something to die for and Shaan to his credit does a nice job.
raagas,
You had a valid view about the composer not 'working hard' when he is using his earlier tune. While that is true, I guess you must approach 'gum sum' more as a jazz song that our film song. In the sense, in jazz music, as you know, everyone plays some standard song, not necessarily something they have composed. What matters there is how they improvise on that song. If you also approach 'gum sum' that way, you may enjoy it better. Ofcouse 'gum sum' differs from pure jazz in the sense that no improvisation is done on the main melody but still...
Swanand Kirkire's interview:
http://www.planetradiocity.com/music...nterviewid=400
"What about Paa?
Working on Paa was a real challenge that I can’t really define; you will realise when you hear the album. This film is special to me, as I got to work with Mr Amitabh Bachchan and the legendary Ilaiyaraaja. For any lyricist, working with him is a dream come true. I am overwhelmed that I got this opportunity so early in life. Amitabhji have also sung a song, ‘Mere Paa’, in the film. When I recited the song to him, he appreciated the lyrics. "
thanks,
Krishnan
Can anyone please post the gist of this article in english.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
Also, yesterday's telugu news paper eenadu confirmed that the audio of new telugu film "Om Shanti" is releasing on Nov 27th. So in 1 more week, we will have another new album.
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பாடல் எழுதியவர் மலையாளத்தின் முன்னணி கவிஞர். நான் கொடுக்கிற மெட்டுக்கு அவரால் வரிகள் போட முடியவில்லை. மீட்டரில் அடங்கவில்லை என்றே சொல்லிக் கொண்டிருந்தார். அவர் ஒரு ஊரில் இருக்க, நான் இன்னொரு இடத்தில் இருந்தேன். ட்யூன்களை எடுத்துக் கொண்டு அவரது வீட்டுக்கே செல்வார் டைரக்டர் ஹரிஹரன். கடைசியாக அவரே ஒரு பாடலை எழுதிக் கொடுத்திருந்தார். சரி, அதற்கு மெட்டு போட்டுக் கொள்ளலாம் என்ற முடிவோடு அமர்ந்தேன். பழசிராஜா தான் வாழ்ந்த ஊரை விட்டே போவது போல காட்சி. ஆனால் அந்த வேதனையை சொல்வது போல ஒரு வரியும் இல்லாதது எனக்கு அதிர்ச்சியாக இருந்தது. அவர் போடுகிற வரிகள், இந்த காலத்திற்கு ஏற்றார் போல அமைந்திருக்க வேண்டும். தங்கள் மண்ணை விட்டு உலகமெங்கும் வாழ்பவர்களின் வலி அதில் தெரிய வேண்டும். ஆனால் வரிகளில் மட்டும் ஒரு போருக்கான ஆயத்தம் இருந்தது. அதாவது லெப்ட், ரைட் என்று பெரேட் செல்வது போலவே தாளக்கட்டுடன் அமைந்த வரிகள். படித்த ஒரு வினாடிக்குள் நான் இப்படிதான் மெட்டு போடுவேன் என்று அவர் நினைத்திருப்பார் என்பதை யூகிக்க முடிந்தது. ஆனாலும் வேறு மாதிரி மனசை உருக்குவது போல மெட்டு போட்டேன் என்று ராஜா சொல்ல பலத்த கைதட்டல் அரங்கத்தில்.
raagas,
A Layman Translation for you:
Raaja Speaks "The Song was written by a leading poet of Malayalam Industry. He was not able to write lyrics for the tunes that I was giving and constantly telling it doesnt set in the 'Meter'. I was in a different place and he was in a different place. Director Hariharan used travel to his place carrying my tunes. Finally He gave a song and i sat down to Compose the tune.
The scene was depicting 'Pazassiraja' going away from his place. It was shocking that There was not even a single line expressing this sadness. There should have been lines which express this emotion in todays context. He should've written expressing the longing of people who are living all over the world having left their land. But the lyrics had a emotion of preparation for a war. It was rhythmic like Left-Right Parade. He should've guessed that within seconds of reading those lines I would tune only as he had intended me too. But I changed it and tuned in a heart wrenching way"
That is Raaja who doesn't compromise on his musical understandings of human emotions. The lyricists however great they may be can't satisfy him. 'Kannadasan' was the last of that lot who cared for emotions onscreen. Now thinking of the song 'Aadhi ushas' I can understand how much struggle Raaja would've gone through to convey the pain through his tune & orchestration despite the lyrics predominantly being in a War preparatory tone.
Thanks RS! That was very lucid :) I am waiting for someone to rip the BGM of this film.
RS,
Neat translation. Laughed aloud after reading the article and the fact that Sarath Kumar also clapped. Our man is incorrigible when it comes to speaking on stage :lol:
The first half of 'Adi ushas' is indeed heart wrenching. Especially from 'aanathera maladan mouna mudachu' followed by 'swathantra mele'. The way 'swathantramele' is tune is superb and conveys the longing of people who have lost their place very well. Which other MD would have taken so much pain to understand the situation and tune accordingly? !!
See the headline of this report :
http://entertainment.in.msn.com/sout...mentid=3365767
One more vambu in the already long list :-(
I dunt think he is unhappy, it is just disappointment with the way the song lyrics were written but raaja says he has given delightful songs with him. It does not look like a war upon poets like the way the article is sounding.
Anyway it is quite obvious media really read into thalaivar's words and blow it up to 2012 proportions like the world is going to be destroyed.
One thing, IR has continued to make statements like this through out his career and survived :-)
So, no big shakes for us anymore. Also, I don't think many in the industry today can make statements like 'sooperAvadhu, supreemAvadhu' like him and easily get away with it :-)
Paa Music Review – Songs are melodious and magical! :thumbsup:
http://www.entertainmentandshowbiz.c...-2009112022925
Aadesh Srivastava, the music director of the film praises, “Amitabh does not sound like a grown-up man imitating a child. Don’t ask me how he has managed to do it. I just sat there stunned.” He added that the song would be an immediate hit among children. :confused2:
Actually the problem is we see it through the media and always think what is said in the media is what happened there. Knowing thalaivar's hatred for media personnel who dun't respect music, the media themselves at times like to make him sound as eccentric and scarey as possible. He might have said something along the lines but we always get the exaggerated output. I have stopped reading all this not because thalaivar is creating controversy but because it is the same media who will go to any extent to publish news. It is even more shocking you guys are still bothered about such stuff.
Big B Creates history with Ilaiyaaraja
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/top_stories/3148/
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The surge of tribal support for Pazhassi Raja outside the peace-talks chamber in the fort - when one of the naive British officers realises that he cannot go ahead and arrestt Pazhassi there as he naively suggested to his superior thinking that the few lieutenants in the room are all Pazhassi brought for the talks. The scene pans outside, and Raja runs riot as the conks, the horns and the improvised flutes and violins of the tribals surge to show what support Pazhassi has in the immediate vicinity
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THis is yet another variant (what with tribal drums, flute and conch sounds) of the revolution theme (which happens to be the prelude of Adhi Ushas)
http://www.twinkletwinklelittlestar2009.com/
Courtesy of Nikhilesh from Orkut IR and KamalHassan Community
It is going to release worldwide on Christmas 2009. I think alot of people did not like some of the songs due to deja vu feel but there were soulful numbers and a middle eastern rocking number(salsalakkum kaatrey).
Trailer music is scintallating and yet another BPSO background score :D
Suresh/Raagas,
I do not agree with the point that re-using the old tune is easy... Rather it might be less time consuming as there is one less thing to do.. but given IR's spontaneity and speed, this is a non-issue... To me what IR does here is trying to give a new wine in a old cup - Not Old wine in a new bottle.. The reason i say this is once the tune is set, i guess your boundaries are set somewhat ( just like tuning to a pre-written lyrics .. and that is one reason i consider Thiruvasagam to be his highest musical achievement ) - In my opinion, for IR creativity is not a issue when given 360 Deg freedom.. There can be no two ways about this.. But now, Balki asks for Thumbee Vaa to be given, but about 20+ years later.. and he has to do it in tune with the current standards and yet satisfy Balki ( and old timers like us ) who have grown with that old melody.. There can be no better challenge than constraining a spontaneous creator like IR.. Personally i still like Thumbee Vaa much better than Gum Sum.. But the fact that I have given 20 yrs to Thumbee vaa and < 2 weeks to Gum Sum is not a fair comparison.
One thing I am not sure is , if Balki would just gvie a list of his old melodies and let IR choose or he asking specifically for THumbee Vaa to be used.. ( i am wondering that Thumbee was chosen for the Kids Chorus situation here in Paa more than anything.. )
Cheers
MSK
mr.Rajendra kumar's fitting reply to the 'buzz18's reviewer Anand.
here is my take on the music of paa:
whatever be one’s status.. Whatever be one’s
knowledge, whatever be one’s writing skills.. Certain
things in life cannot be explained..
for the last 24 hours, i am in a state of trance. Why?
i started listening to ‘paa’.. And i am unable to get
out of it.
feelings that are very special and …(pl. Read the first
line again!).
what i am going to do now is to write very briefly (in
just one or two lines) about each song.
the album has 7 songs and one theme music bit.
out of the 7 songs, 3 are different versions of the same
song, 3 are rehashed versions of his old tunes and 1 is a
complete song (so complete that it fills one’s heart to
the brim!).
now, i know there are people who say ‘why does he repeat
his old tunes?Can he not give something new?’
i request such skeptics to understand the film world
better.
balki is a self-proclaimed fanatic of ilaiyaraaja.When he
was in the ad world, he used(stole?) his tunes in many of
the ads.One striking example is the idea
cellular(incidentally abhishek bachchan is the model!) ad
where the pallavi anupallavi tune is used with so many
variations.
in a recent interview, he has said that ‘there is no
composer in india who can match this gentleman.But
unfortunately, half the country do not know the existence of
this person’.
his objective is very clear.He wants to promote raaja
sir’s tunes in the country(no matter if they are old).He
wants the entire nation to listen to such tunes and wonder
who has composed such magical tunes.
i was indeed taken aback in 2007 when i came to know that
all tunes in ‘cheeni kum’ were his old tunes.But the
moment i listened to the songs in the new avatar, i could
not hide my surprise and happiness. Surprise-because of the
orchestration and arrangement. Happy because they sounded
great.’jothayalli’ transformed as ‘jaane do na’ ,
‘mandram vandha’ as ‘cheeni kum hai’..
what an amazing transformation!
the same has happened in ‘paa’.
my only grouse with ‘cheeni kum’ was that no song was
picturised in full.Hope mr.Balki makes amends in paa.
one striking difference is the quality of lyrics. It was
below average in cheeni kum and this coupled with the reason
that no song was available fully as a video ensured that the
songs were not a great hit in the north (compared to the
south).But the lyrics(swanand kirkire) are wonderful in paa.
let us look at the songs briefly.
raaja sir’s fascination for mohanam ragam is well-known.
it continues here except that it gives the flavour of
bhoop-the hindustani counterpart of mohanam.
the song ‘mudi mudi’ has three versions-two sung by
shilpa rao ‘udi udi’ and ‘mudi mudi’-and the male
version sung by shaan.
the male version is soft and has a unique charm.
though ‘udi udi’ and ‘mudi mudi’ follow the same
tune, the two differ in the preludes, and the interlude.The
whisper in ‘mudi mudi’ is amazing.
the former has the dominant piano while the latter has the
bass guitar(though one hears the subtle piano in the latter
as well!)
the shaan version is slow without any percussion- a la
‘azhage unnai aaaradanai seigiren’.The symphony like
interlude is wonderful(somehow i am reminded of ‘kaadhal
oviyam’ song).
‘halke se bole’ is the familiar ‘puththam puthu
kaalai’ tune-one of my all time favourites.The almost
similar rhythmic pattern gives me nostalgic feelings.
‘kaapi’ is one ragam that has been adapted in carnatic
from hindustani but the carnatic kaapi is different from the
hindustani one.Hindustani kafi is nothing but the carnatic
karaharapriya and pilu can at best be compared with carnatic
kaapi.
no other film music composer has used kaapi as wonderfully
as ilaiyaraaja.
his most famous tune in kaapi is actually 27 years old.It
first appeared as a bgm bit in ‘moondram pirai’ way back
in 1982.It was then used in olangal, auto raja, nireekshana,
kanne kalai maane, aur ek prem kahani, and the for his
‘live in italy’ prog.
one never gets tired of listening to this tune in so many
versions as each version shows a new dimension to kaapi.
in ‘gum shum gum’, we get to hear the western contours
in the second interlude.
marvellous work!
‘kaattu vazhi kaal nadiya’ has always been one of my
personal favourites.This tune-mainly the interlude- is the
theme music of paa.Amitabh does magic here singing like a 13
year old. Brings tears to even a stone!
what happens when hiccups sound musical?
‘hichki hichki’(hichki in hindi-hiccup) is a
composition analysis of which would take pages.
this song, according to me is the piece de resistance
(though other songs are also great).
based on keeravani, it follows the 7-beat misram and is
sung with consummate ease by sunidhi
chauhan(wonder how many takes she took!In any case, it is
not an easy song to sing).
laya raja and raga raja are in full flow here.
laya raja:one hears the normal ‘ta ki ta ta ka dhi mi’
in bass guitar along with the vocals.But what happens after
that is a marvel and is possible only by the maestro.
misram is played in the fast pace (mel kaalam) and we hear
3, 6, 6 and 6-21beats in the percussion during the brief
pause.
raga raja:in the second interlude, the theme music is
played first in keeravani(minor scale) and then in
shankarabharanam(major scale).Sheer magic!
the use of alien notes (sound like vivadi to me, have to
listen more) and the sound of ‘hiccups’ carry the raaja
stamp!
i am unable to get out of the musical ‘hiccups’.
ilaiyaraaja- the ‘paa’ and ‘maa’ of indian film
music!
MSK,
You have put it very rightly. For a genius like Raja, putting a constraint would throw up major challenges, which he always crosses without a problem. As we know 'Adiushas' tuned to the lyrics and as he says he was able to come up with a heart wrenching tune.
The most comical of all reviews. I really wonder how he got job as a reviewer in the first place.
http://www.top10bollywood.com/2009/1...w-ratings.html
http://www.idlebrain.com/movietape/omshanti-logo.html
Courtesy of dhiraj reddy of IR Yahoo groups
I find the theme very interesting with a fantasy like touch. Another mudi mudi styled song seems in the offing. Judging from the film its like one man with three love interests and one decision to make.
Hichki hichki has shades of a telugu song Vayyari godaramma. Dont know if this is just my feeling. Experts, pls comment.
Let the praises be rained...Avar sonna mathiriye i m waiting to the buy the original one but still it is not available where are the cds in chennai???????? :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Kameshratnam - I bought one last night at Odyssey, Adyar.Quote:
Originally Posted by kameshratnam
yeah it is priced at Rs. 160 :wink:
Saw PR (tamil) in Suriyan at Uthayam and had a good experience. Never expected a Malayalam film with such technical qualities (:thumbsup:). The movie got claps at places. Kudos to IR, director, technicians and JM (dialogue).
Forget to mention, show was housefull :)
Last night, I watched PR (Malayalam) at Serra Theaters@Milpitas.
It was the penultimate show as the movie had already run for two weeks.
The movie was quite enjoyable. Good performances from the cast, including Sarath Kumar. Much has been said about the way the Brits have been portrayed, cartoonish, cut-out stereotypes.
The music was thunderous at times, grandiose, rightfully so, subdued and poignant when necessary. Several rousing variations of the battle theme were played, adding intensity to the action scenes.
I sat up and took notice of the BGM at couple of places: When Sarath and Mamooty square off with sword, and the climax.
Adhi ushas, and the laahilahi songs were pictured very well.
Sadly, my favorite song, OdamthaNNil, was left out of the movie. I guess it must have been a duet between Padmapriya and Manoj K Jayan. It may have slowed down the pace of the movie.
-Gokul.
One more review
http://www.planetbollywood.com/displ...=m112309022728
As a FINAL word for this review, all the people who are desperately in need of a change in music should buy this album for keeps! And as I end this one, Sachin Tendulkar’s famous catchline enters my mind– Go Get It!
And how many marks has the reviewer given (surprise!), 6.5/10!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fliflo
And why does everyone say all 3 versions of Mudi Mudi are the same? :huh: Prelude, interlude, BG idhellam oru porutte illiya ivangalukku?
avangalllam lyrics mattume song, adhanaala dhaan music dirs pozhappu nadatharaanga pugazh adayaraanga appdinnu solra koshti pola irukku.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Bala, to his credit, the reviewer has clearly identified that there are significant differences between the 3 versions of the song. There seems to be a clear dichotomy between his/her appreciation and his 'duty' as a reviewer for this particular site which seems to be to kind of serve as a "go-to" for the average joe to decide whether or not to buy an album. Which is why he keeps harping on "music lovers will like this" but pritam fans keep away.
Much to his credit, he has actually identified that the 3 versions are different. This is an improvement over the average amit.
Yeah, he does, actually - my bad!Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Aana andha "Non-ardent music listeners might not be able to notice the difference between this track and the last one" paathu lighta unarchivasappattutten though what he says is true!
Pazhassi Raja Audio Launch Function
Raja's speech in clip 3 and 4. Doesn't sound controversial in the speech.
http://www.sivajitv.com/events/Ilaya...unch-Video.htm
Also watch clip 5
From the speech, it looks like IR got frustrated that ONV could not write lyrics (despite giving multiple tunes) and also that finally he had to compromise and compose music for his lyrics. Looks like it bothered him a lot and he had to let it out.
thanks,
Krishnan
IR could have let out his frustration in a small circle rather than put it in public. I don't know what prompted him to tell it in the audio release function. As far as we know, I don't think this was a response to any criticism against him (or his music for the movie).
BTW, Ouseppachhan thinks, IR gave a statement like this because the music for the film did not do well. Otherwise, IR would not have made the statement, it seems.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/...100279135.html
thanks,
Krishnan