Memories Of Greatest Cricketers - - #8 Shane Warne

This thread is about greatest cricketers around the world. You can discuss about the legends. Your favorite matches,innings evergreen memories about them

We will start with..

KAPIL DEV

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Bio-data :

Full name: Kapildev Ramlal Nikhanj

Born : January 6, 1959, Chandigarh

Current age : 49 years

Major teams : India, Haryana, Northamptonshire, Worcestershire

Batting style : Right-hand bat

Bowling style : Right-arm fast-medium


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Record:

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/indi...yer/30028.html

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Mr Sridhar... :2thumbsup: :clap: :clap:

Shri Sridhar. Hats off to you.

:D :clap: :clap:

Dear Sri,

Good that you have thought about this. By this, many deserving cricketers (read yesteryear) can be brought to limelight.

As for the Opening Hero of this thread is concerned, what should I tell? He is one person who made adrenaline flow in the veins of even spectators. Most of the people talk about only the 175* and World Cup triumph. There is more to Kapil.

The things that immediately come to my mind are his exploits in Pakistan in the debut series (1978) and in England (1979). His bowling in the 1981 Melbourne test to skittle out the Aussies for 81, inspite of having high fever, his 9 - 83 in Ahemedabad in 1983 against the Windies, his whirlwind knock in the Tied Test in 1986, his four sixes in 4 consecutive balls to avoid the follow on against England, and many more exploits of his.

Thanks and hope to see more of this kind.

Regards

<<< inspite of having high fever, his 9 - 83 in Ahemedabad in 1983 against the Windies >>>

is this a record.... :roll:

Mr.Murali, this thread is precisely for the likes of you to write about these greats of the past. Please write at length...

I started following cricket only from India's tour of Australia 91-92. One of the earliest cricketing memories I have is of Kapil Dev picking up Mark Taylor lbw as his 400th wicket. Kapil reaching 5000 runs against England (I think in Chennai) - and Gavaskar commenting that if this man had concentrated on his batting he would have reached 10,000. And of course when he equalled and broke Hadlee's record against Srilanka at home.

One other inoccuous memory that is lodged is Kapil picking up the wicket of Jimmy Cook in the first ball of the first ever test series in SAfrica.

While I wouldn't claim to have seen Kapil at his best there is one memorable match in that series I would like to recall.

After managing to draw the first two tests we got beaten in the third test. After conceding a lead we go into the second innings around tea on Day 3. We are down to 31/6 !!!! Courtesy Alan Donald and Brett Schultz.

I heard the 31/6 on news and was shocked ! Checking the scorecard I see that we were 17/5 and then 31/6. The 6th wicket was Pravin Amre, the overrated hero of the previous test got out to a shot that was so grossly irresponsible given the scenario that even Sehwag would not play it.

From there Kapil took over. He built partnerships with the tail and took us to a respectable score of 215. Just look at his innings. 129 (180) 14X4 and 1X6.

It doesn't betray the kind of pressure he was in. And mind you Alan Donald was breathing fire. He picked up 7 wickets, including eventually Kapil , taking his match haul to 12 (which was his personal best for a long time).

We got trampled in the second innings and SA reached a well deserving victory. But that one innings by Kapil made the whole thing so memorable. Heroic, no other words for it. Prevented us from an innings defeat to a country which was just returning to Test match cricket and was - for all practical purposes a newbie.

There was no live telecast of those matches (DD used to telecast domestic tests live). Even the highlights would come in the next day night. Test matches used to have draw of stumps score-reports in the papers but you have to wait the whole day to watch the action on TV. It was worth the wait.

Everyone talks about Atheron duellin with Donald to save the day. When rewatching this innings on TV a few years back I see this is an equally good innings and Donald was attacking quite fiercely. But Kapil just battled it out without getting defensive. I think even that lone six was off Donald !! Kapil btw was aming the first who hit Donald - who was a sensation when he made his debut- for a six : that was in the world cup 92 match.

While I did not see his best, I could clearly see why my older cousins and uncles held Kapil in such high esteem.

Kapil Dev, nicknamed, Haryana Hurricane was a phenomenon and a breath of fresh air in an era of spinners dominating the Indian Cricket scene. He was fast with a lethal outswinger and made people notice him instantly. Coming from a normal town with no back up and facilities to pamper him, Kapil rose on his own to become India's greatest Cricketer of his time. He is the first and one and only full fledged All Rounder that our Country could boast of and one who could change the context of the match with his bowling/batting as also fielding. He was always a livewire in every sense. The joy he gave to the public is enormous and people loved him for what he is. He could decimate the best of attacks on his day and make best of bestman look silly and also take stupendous catches. The innings of 175 n.o against Zimbabwae is rated as one of the finest innings of one dayers for his grit, determination and his style of hitting out of trouble. It is said a million times that the catch he took to dismiss Viv in World Cup was the turning point of the final. His 9/81 against West Indies in 1984(i beleive) is one of the finest expositions of fast bowling against mighty batting is one of the many such efforts.

Even now, during the commemoration of the 25 years of World Cup win, he is so humble about his achievements and he thanks God for all. He is not only a finest cricketer but a great human being who did not know the nitty gritty politics of our cricket est. and was hounded out often for no fault of his.

Kapil is a joy to behold and his mere prescence has attracted scores of people to the game and was proudly named the WISDEN CRICKETER OF THE CENTURY. As far as Indian Crikcet is concerned, Kapil is irreplaceable and one, who played with full commitment and prided himself in representing the Country. For Kapil, Country is above all and for cricket lovers, Kapil is above all.

:clap: 8-) :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

(while I had the fortune of seeing Kapil in action in his later days, the input from my brother/uncle made me read and watch his exploits in TV/CDs. He had made a big impact on those who watched him who keep him in very high esteem)

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We got trampled in the second innings and SA reached a well deserving victory. But that one innings by Kapil made the whole thing so memorable. Heroic, no other words for it. Prevented us from an innings defeat to a country which was just returning to Test match cricket and was - for all practical purposes a newbie.

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domestic cricket in SA is very good like in australia and intesity wise they are on par with test cricket. So, you can't call them a newbie.
For ex, Michael Hussey made his test debut only recently but he is a veteran in their domestic cricket. No wonder he made a big impression in test cricket and is called Mr. Cricket.

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There was no live telecast of those matches (DD used to telecast domestic tests live). Even the highlights would come in the next day night. Test matches used to have draw of stumps score-reports in the papers but you have to wait the whole day to watch the action on TV. It was worth the wait.

Everyone talks about Atheron duellin with Donald to save the day. When rewatching this innings on TV a few years back I see this is an equally good innings and Donald was attacking quite fiercely. But Kapil just battled it out without getting defensive. I think even that lone six was off Donald !! Kapil btw was aming the first who hit Donald - who was a sensation when he made his debut- for a six : that was in the world cup 92 match.

While I did not see his best, I could clearly see why my older cousins and uncles held Kapil in such high esteem.

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If you are talking about the test match in port elizabeth, Kapil hit a six of one criag mathews( i am sure its not Donald ) to the upper tier in the stands near the press box and later seems to have told that he didn't quite get the timing right.

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/stat...tch/63588.html

Other memories of Kapil Dev,
In the lord's test match against england in 1990, India needed 24 to avoid avoid follow on with just hirwani at the other end.
When eddie hemmings ( the same guy who tooks kapil's wicket in the world cup semifinal in 1987) bowled the over, kapil hit 4 consecutive sixes. Though, we avoided follow on, we lost the test match.

( In this match Graham Gooch scored a 300+ in the first innings, i think he was dropped on zero. he made a 100+ in the 2nd innings, He holds a record for most run by a batsman in a test match. )

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/stat...tch/63534.html


scored a brilliant century in the first innings in the tied match against australia.
http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/stat...tch/63438.html

Kapil took 5 wickets in the second innings to script a famous victory against australia in melboure in 1981. The match saw ugly spat between dennis lille and sunny and sunny almost walked off.

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/stat...tch/63281.html

under kapil's captaincy, the victory against pakistan in a low scoring ODI and defeat against pakistan with javed miandad hitting chetan sharma for a six cannot be forgotten so easily.

The icing on the cake is the 1983 prudentail cup win and Kapil's innings of 175 not out against zimbabwe which was a world record score at that time. We won the 1985 champion of champions too with kapil playing along with vengsarkar played a memorable innings against the kiwis. We were undisputable kings of ODI from 1983 to 1987 till australia took over. We were the hot favourites to win the 1987 world cup and everyone was expecting a india - pakistan final in eden gardens. We were cruising along till england hit us in the semis in mumbai. pakistan too lost to australia.

The legend has never missed a match due to fitness .

To sum up, Kapil Dev is the greatest all rounder that India has ever seen.

P.S. Opposition batsmen must've started wearing helmets against india only after Kapil Dev's debut. :wink:

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Best all rounder India had known. When we were boys, and india was in any crucial situation, we depended on kapil's perfect boundaries and sometimes snapshot hits to take us to the victory, he never dissapointed us

As far as we have known, personal life sees him as a very down to earth humble person.

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If you are talking about the test match in port elizabeth, Kapil hit a six of one criag mathews( i am sure its not Donald ) to the upper tier in the stands near the press box and later seems to have told that he didn't quite get the timing right.

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I stand corrected. I wasn't sure actually.

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bowled the over, kapil hit 4 consecutive sixes. Though, we avoided follow on, we lost the test match.

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That too we were 9 wickets down and we needed 24 to avoid a follow on and he hits 4 sixes to get there. That's as crazy as it gets !!

And here's that famous catch...no words, just watch.

To add further, I have rememberances of Kapil's brilliance in 80's. Even 1985 World cup and England tour victory of 1986 had Kapil’s stamp all over it. It was such a Kapil craze during my school days that kapil's picture will be invariably present with all mates. He was more than a sportsman. A hero and idol for one and all. . With the type of batsman we had those days with test cricket in dominance, Kapil’s natural stroke making was a sight to watch and attracted huge audience for the game and the public had a great time. His running between the wickets made co-batsman of his time sweat like anything. He was one of the fittest players in the game internationally..8-)

Most importantly, for a man who has played for close to 14 years, he was mostly injury free. This shows the hard work Kapil had put in day in and out and without the technological advancement of these days. And not to forget the fact that Kapil had bowled mostly in subcontinent pitches which were just tailor made for spinners and back breaking for fast bowlers. He had taken 400+ wickets in spite of all this. His was a natural & raw talent, a God’s Gift. Much of India’s cricket fortunes rested with him and he had always given his best to the team’s cause and made our country proud. 8-) :clap:

It not without reason that Kapil continues to be Only the World Cup Winning Skipper of our country, and this will continue to be the benchmark for all others to emulate.

For all his greatness, he has no airs around him and calls spade a spade. He had hit lot of sixers on the field which he continues off the field also.

Kapil ka jawab nahin.
8-) :D :clap: :clap:

Shri Prabhu Ram, thanks for the video links. :D

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Other memories of Kapil Dev,
In the lord's test match against england in 1990, India needed 24 to avoid avoid follow on with just hirwani at the other end.
When eddie hemmings ( the same guy who tooks kapil's wicket in the world cup semifinal in 1987) bowled the over, kapil hit 4 consecutive sixes. Though, we avoided follow on, we lost the test match.scored a brilliant century in the first innings in the tied match against australia.
http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/stat...tch/63438.html

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They used to show this in a Boost advertisement with Kapil's voice over. Etched in my memory forever.

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under kapil's captaincy, the victory against pakistan in a low scoring ODI and defeat against pakistan with javed miandad hitting chetan sharma for a six cannot be forgotten so easily.

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Scorecard of the match. Unbeliavable.

Read this somewhere. Kapil just told the teammates during the break "If they can do it, why can't we?". The team men responded superbly and skittled out Pakistan for a paltry 87.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080623/jsp/frontpage/story_9450251.jsp

Cup of love overflows
- Momentary pause in rancour at 1983 celebration
JAYDEEP BASU
Kapil Dev with Sunil Gavaskar at the celebration on Sunday. Picture by Prem Singh

New Delhi, June 22: Now we know how Gordon Greenidge had felt like 25 years ago when what he thought was an out-swinger darted back a mile to take his off-stump, starting India off towards its greatest cricketing glory.

Almost everyone at today’s celebration of the 1983 World Cup victory behaved like that freak ball by Balwinder Singh Sandhu, with legendary foes going gaga in each other’s praise. And an excess of champagne had nothing to do with it.

Kapil Dev dripped gratitude to cricket chief Sharad Pawar for holding the silver jubilee party — so what if the board had sacked him from the National Cricket Academy after he joined the breakaway Indian Cricket League, and removed his picture from his home ground?

“I must congratulate the board and its president Sharad Pawar for hosting such a reception for us,” the captain of the 1983 side beamed. “Frankly, we never expected to get such treatment.”

Bull’s eye on that one: the board had initially refused to organise the event just to avoid honouring Kapil and three of his ’83 mates who have joined the ICL.

Maybe it was the Rs 25 lakh the board handed each of the 14 Cup heroes? No, Kapil said it was the “love” that counted.

“Everybody needs money but it is not everything in life,” he said. “It is the love and affection that is more important. I am overwhelmed by the way the board has remembered us for what we did in 1983.”

Neither love nor cash, though, awaits the current cricketers who hitched their stars to Kapil, now chairman of the ICL executive board. A few hours before the party began, the board had banned English county teams that have ICL players in their ranks from its newest cash cow, the Twenty20 Champions League.

But Kapil wasn’t over. He virtually credited Sunil Gavaskar, with whom he had feuded through most of the ’80s, with inspiring the Cup victory.

Gavaskar was “our hero” Kapil said. “He taught us to win and inspired every one of our generation.”

Sunny, not to be outdone, saluted Kapil as “still the greatest cricketer India has ever produced”.

“The way people follow Sachin (Tendulkar) today, we used to follow Kapil at that time. He is the man who showed us the way. The time when Kapil lifted the trophy was the greatest memory of my life,” the former opening batsman said.

If Kapil could praise Pawar and the board, could Mohinder Amarnath, Man-of-the-Match in that final, be left behind?

He plonked himself beside former board president and selector Raj Singh Dungarpur, a man he had called a “joker” for running a vendetta against him. They were seen smiling and exchanging jokes for about five minutes.

All it needed was for Greenidge to turn up and embrace Sandhu, saying how marvellous it felt getting bowled by a beauty like that.

The first cricketer I knew.

Excellent thread and pics Sridhar :thumbsup:
When I started watching cricket seriously, he was at the retirement stage. He was treated rather shabbily and he was not on top of his game either. I have seen a lot of the matches he played in ESPN's cricket classics. He was pretty much a line and length bowler with an odd bouncer here are there. He was immaculately accurate as far as I have seen him.

There is a book on him in thamizh - cricket singam kapil dev . I own that book (its in India now) and have read that many times years back. Thats a very well written book, which summarizes his career beautifully. From his first wicket till the 434th wicket. I learnt from that book that Kapil commanded respect when he became the captain of a really-talented-but-not-performing players. In the book, Sunil Gavasker, srikant, jimmy and a bunch of others recount their experiences playing under him and how he was able to inspire them to world-beaters.

Another thing about him worth mentioning is his camaraderie with the opponents and his sportmanship. Quoting from Wiki:

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In their first match of the World Cup, Australia scored 268 against India. However, after the close of innings, Kapil Dev agreed with the umpires that the score should be increased to 270 as one boundary during the innings had been mistakenly signalled as a four and not a six. In their reply, India scored 269 falling short of Australia's score by one run. In the Wisden Cricketer's Almanack, it was reported that "Kapil Dev's sportsmanship proved the deciding factor in a close-run match".

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Favorite performances:
1. His death-spell in the 1983 semi-final
2. His 100* against the west Indies just before the world cup to save a test match
3. His 10-4-21-4 in South Africa in our first tour to SA
4. His 33 ball 50 which was the fastest fifty by an Indian player at that time.
5. His 5/70 against England in his early days in the Wankhede.

His biggest embarrasments: Ruthless windies drubbing India (5-0 in test, 3-0 in ODIs I think) right after the world cup victory and the last ball sixer by Javed!

Another thing about him worth-mentioning is his strike rate in ODIs, which I think is in the upper-90s. (Average in the mid-20s I think). He played in an era of no-fielding-restrictions. He definitely is one of India's best sportsmen ever :bow:

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In their first match of the World Cup, Australia scored 268 against India. However, after the close of innings, Kapil Dev agreed with the umpires that the score should be increased to 270 as one boundary during the innings had been mistakenly signalled as a four and not a six. In their reply, India scored 269 falling short of Australia's score by one run. In the Wisden Cricketer's Almanack, it was reported that "Kapil Dev's sportsmanship proved the deciding factor in a close-run match".

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His biggest embarrasments: Ruthless windies drubbing India (5-0 in test, 3-0 in ODIs I think) right after the world cup victory and the last ball sixer by Javed!

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Chetan Sharma was the bowler right?

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The first cricketer I knew.

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me to..

" Boost is the SECRET of my energy.... no ... our energy... " indha Ad'a paaththa piragu dhaan enakku Kapil and Sachin'E theriyum...

PS.. its OLD AD.... wn I was around 10... now I am 24....

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Another thing about him worth mentioning is his camaraderie with the opponents and his sportmanship. Quoting from Wiki:

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In their first match of the World Cup, Australia scored 268 against India. However, after the close of innings, Kapil Dev agreed with the umpires that the score should be increased to 270 as one boundary during the innings had been mistakenly signalled as a four and not a six. In their reply, India scored 269 falling short of Australia's score by one run. In the Wisden Cricketer's Almanack, it was reported that "Kapil Dev's sportsmanship proved the deciding factor in a close-run match".

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The 1987 world cup opener took place in chennai. Ravi shastri was the fielder who signalled four to the umpire and later they changed it to 6 during lunch break. Like the thrilling tied test in 1986, this was also a nail biting thriller. Maninder Singh was the culprit on both the occasions - the last man to be dismissed.

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His biggest embarrasments: Ruthless windies drubbing India (5-0 in test, 3-0 in ODIs I think) right after the world cup victory and the last ball sixer by Javed!

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I don't think javed's 6 can be termed as embarrasment.
He was a genius and it was his day. Pakistan were staring towards defeat and he singlehandedly won the match.

But, Kapil mankad-ing peter kirsten was not in the right spirit and defenitely one of the embarrasing moments for Kapil.

But sriranga, Kapil did warn him multiple times and let him go. You can see him quite agitated and gesturing repeatedly that it was the third time that he decided to remove the bails. So I am reluctant to call it as against the spirit - as Wessels and co tried to portray it.

btw a quote about the original Mankad-ing. When the incident happened, Fred Truman was asked if he would have removed the bails in such a situation. His response was: "the question does not arise...when Fred Truman is bowling the non-striker is not eager to get to the other end" 8-)

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" Boost is the SECRET of my energy.... no ... our energy... " indha Ad'a paaththa piragu dhaan enakku Kapil and Sachin'E theriyum...

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i thought the palmolive ad pre-dated this one??
the tag line - "palmolive ka jawab nahin" - mouthed by a beaming kapil - still etched in the mind :)

I first saw kapil during the Pak-Indo series in 1978. It was awesome to see an Indian bowler running from a long distance to bowl. Till then I was thinking Madan Lal was the fastest we ever had. The long run and the sidewards hop and a perfect outswinger was really something we missed before.

The way he knocked at the Third test in Karachi was another thing we missed before. A hurra 59 in the first innings with 2 sixes and if I am not mistaken 38 in the second innings again with a six was also new to me. I have seen Gavaskar batting the whole day and here comes some 19 year old and knocks Imran, Sarfaraz and Mudassar so effortlessly was great.

I have read somewhere that Kapil is the greatest cricketer India ever produced and I certainly feel like that

Sri and Sri, kapil himself said in interview that it was embarassing to lose that way, off the last ball.. Pizhai irunthAl mannikkavum..

It is definitely not against the spirit of the game. I myself remember watching the match and Kapil had given ENOUGH warnings to kirsten.

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But sriranga, Kapil did warn him multiple times and let him go. You can see him quite agitated and gesturing repeatedly that it was the third time that he decided to remove the bails. So I am reluctant to call it as against the spirit - as Wessels and co tried to portray it.

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Before Aandavar - Kapil Dev was one of the reason why I got addicted to cricket! :thumbsup: The best all-rounder that India has ever produced till date and one of the best allrounders in the world! :clap:

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But, Kapil mankad-ing peter kirsten was not in the right spirit and defenitely one of the embarrasing moments for Kapil.

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That was India's '92 tour of SA sometime after the WC! The non-Indian media guys during that time made Kapil look like a villain by comparing him with Courtney Walsh's gesture against Pakistan in '87 WC semi final :x Walsh's gesture is legendary! :clap: But please.... Kapil did warn Peter Kirsten a few times before that but Kirstein paid no heed... Kapil, throughout his career, has set an example for all other Indian cricketers on how to be sportive on the field! Hence nice gift from media for him! :huh:

The Peter Kirsten incident was like an eye-opener for us. In our gully cricket, we used to consider that as an *out*. Actually, we ground the ball first before removing the bails with it, for reasons unknown! We stopped doing that after that incident, though we still continued issuing warnings :P

http://www.hindu.com/2008/06/25/stor...2556742000.htm


A knock that rewrote history

Vijay Lokapally


A young all-rounder rewrote the history of Indian cricket at a non-descript cricket field in Kent 25 years ago.

That epic act transformed the face of how Indians took to cricket and Kapil Dev, as chief architect of that performance, emerged an undisputed icon among a galaxy of greats that included Sunil Gavaskar and Mohinder Amarnath.

It is difficult to persuade Kapil to talk about that innings. “The World Cup win was not about that innings,” he counters. It was not in his opinion.

But Gavaskar rates it the best one-day innings of all times while Sandeep Patil counts the knock as a “monumental” contribution from an all-rounder who ruled world cricket like few.
Cold day


It was a cold and windy day at Tunbridge Wells and India was laid low by the ball that seamed and kicked alarmingly. “Survival was next to impossible,” recalled Madan Lal.

But Kapil produced a gem, restricting himself to playing in the V and then gradually showcasing his wide range of strokes.

“I had to play a role and I am glad I did it to the team’s liking. The team reacted to a man that day and that to me has been the lasting memory of the Cup.

“You may have individual performances to gloat about but to me what mattered was that it was a wonderful team effort.

It remained so till the moment we shocked the West Indies,” Kapil underplayed his unbeaten 175.

India took Australia, England and West Indies in its stride and set new benchmarks for the generations to follow by winning the Cup against all odds.
Five wise men


But the team did not forget to pay tributes to five men who had trusted them to conquer the world. Credit has never come the way of Chandu Borde, Bishan Bedi, Hanumant Singh, Kripal Singh and Ambar Roy, who picked the best 14 available on form and merit.

As Bedi pointed out, those who sat out the final were Dilip Vengsarkar, Ravi Shastri and Sunil Valson, three outstanding performers of the season.

Reflecting on the triumph, Kapil said, “there were no individual heroes as far as I am concerned. We cared and played for each other and that was the clinching factor. Team came first and the players responded to a man. I am proud of that team.”

So is the nation, which salutes the heroes of 1983 as they commemorate that glorious day at Lord’s by coming together at the same venue. Any regrets?

“None,” asserts Kapil. Any desires? “I want India to win the Cup again.”

The ball is in the courts of the young players, most not even born when Kapil’s team was adding an unforgettable chapter to the history of Indian cricket.

“It would be the best gift to us,” was Kapil’s emotional wish.

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" Boost is the SECRET of my energy.... no ... our energy... " indha Ad'a paaththa piragu dhaan enakku Kapil and Sachin'E theriyum...

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i thought the palmolive ad pre-dated this one??
the tag line - "palmolive ka jawab nahin" - mouthed by a beaming kapil - still etched in the mind :)

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:exactly: guys. Nostalgic...

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The Peter Kirsten incident was like an eye-opener for us. In our gully cricket, we used to consider that as an *out*. Actually, we ground the ball first before removing the bails with it, for reasons unknown! We stopped doing that after that incident, though we still continued issuing warnings :P

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Aamaam, Runout at the Bowler's end wud be one leg on the stone(no stumps available :oops: ) and catch the ball.... Ethukku ne theriyathu :lol: :lol: :lol:

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But sriranga, Kapil did warn him multiple times and let him go. You can see him quite agitated and gesturing repeatedly that it was the third time that he decided to remove the bails. So I am reluctant to call it as against the spirit - as Wessels and co tried to portray it.

btw a quote about the original Mankad-ing. When the incident happened, Fred Truman was asked if he would have removed the bails in such a situation. His response was: "the question does not arise...when Fred Truman is bowling the non-striker is not eager to get to the other end" 8-)

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The problem is there is no clear definition of spirit of the game. if you can define it, it becomes the law, i guess. Its left to the individual's choice.
for sangakara, gilchrist and lara, batsmen shud walk when they knick it, for others it will be knick it and wait for umpire ( respect the umpire's decision :wink:)

AFAIC, If the batsmen knicks and wait for umpire's decision, its not within spirit ( bad decisions that may go against the batsmen can't be an excuse). Similarly, what Kapil did was within the law, but it was not within the spirit.

sriranga,

I still think that Kapil was provoked into this. You may be right abt the issue. But, in overall perspective, Kapil had always been a good ambassador for the game and a legendary sportman with impeccable behaviour. I also feel that he is more wronged than others. He is once in a lifetime cricketer. 8-)

& today is the D DAY for Indian Cricket commemorating 25 years of Historic World Cup Triumph. :D :clap:

sriranga, I get your point about law and spirit. Kapil did go out of the way to be fair that day. He warned Kirsten twice when it was well within his legal right to clip the bails off without warning. Even after that he was ambling down the track. How much more can be tolerated in international cricket ?

What annoyed me was the way how Wessels and Co. tried to portray Kapil as being cheap and ungentlemanly conveniently ignoring how he had graciously let Kirsten go the first two times. That is why I am particular that the incident be remembered in entirety.

Yesterday saw a TV program about the 1983 world cup.
India defeated Australia in a must win game followed by semis against england and the final against WI.

Beating the top3 of world cricket is no joke.

The icing on the cake is most of the team member's acknowldeged that Kapil's hurricane innings against zimbabwe and the victory over them after being reduced to 17/5 in 13 overs,
provided the spark for the team to beat the top 3 in the next 3 games to clinch the cup.

Kapil ka jawab nahi :clap:

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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram

sriranga, I get your point about law and spirit. Kapil did go out of the way to be fair that day. He warned Kirsten twice when it was well within his legal right to clip the bails off without warning. Even after that he was ambling down the track. How much more can be tolerated in international cricket ?

What annoyed me was the way how Wessels and Co. tried to portray Kapil as being cheap and ungentlemanly conveniently ignoring how he had graciously let Kirsten go the first two times. That is why I am particular that the incident be remembered in entirety.

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:evil: he seems to have hit kapil with his bat deliberately while going for a run after the incident.

http://sify.com/sports/cricket/fulls...1&cid=14692923

Kapil returns to Tunbridge Wells

Thursday, 26 June , 2008, 05:01



London: “Nobody believed in us when we landed in England in 1983, so we decided to believe in ourselves and went on to win,” recalled Kapil Dev Nikhanj, who led India to an epoch-making World Cup win 25 years ago to the day.

'Kapil's Devils' are back in England, this time the cynosure of all eyes, to re-live the summer of 1983.

Kapil took time off on Wednesday morning for a personal pilgrimage to Tunbridge Wells, a small, county cricket ground in Kent where he single-handedly carved an impossible win against Zimbabwe to let the world know “we have it in us to make it to the final”.

India seemed down and out at 17 for five, but Kapil's unbeaten 175 saved the day for the team and put it on the path to glory.

“It was the turning point. As I returned to the pavilion after the match ended, we were telling ourselves that if we could win here, we can win in any situation,” he recalls.

Kapil spent an hour at the Tunbridge Wells Cricket Club.

It was a stroll down memory lane as he walked up to the pitch, made his way back to the pavilion past the stands and into the dressing room where, as fellow team-mate Sunil Gavaskar recently recalled, “there was nobody when Kapil came… we were all hiding our faces because our captain had showed us how to bat”.

The Club officials and the media were at hand to welcome the former Indian captain.

All they would do after shaking hands with him was look at him and imagine him as a 23-year-old nervous youngster on whose shoulders the fate of his country rode.

Are the memories of that summer afternoon still fresh in his mind? “The memories are hazy. I really don't know what was going on my mind when I came in to bat. We were 17 for five then. Forget a victory, I was just thinking of somehow coming out of the ordeal respectably,”the legendary all-rounder said.

Alas, only memories remain of that memorable game: There is no footage of that innings.

Kapil remembers how, when they landed in England for the World Cup, the Indians were the underdogs, with betting agencies giving them a 66:1 chance of making it to the final.

“Initially, we never thought of the finals. But after beating the West Indies (in a league match) we realized we had it in us. Ham par junoon sawar tha jeetne ka (we were in a frenzy to win). After the semi-final victory, we were confident of making it to the top.”

Mohan, who runs a fashion business in Southall, is a close friend of Kapil and he recalls of the World Cup final: “There was a West Indies woman sitting next to me who would jig her backside in my face every time an Indian wicket fell. She stopped doing that once the West Indian wickets started falling.”

He remembers seeing a poster on a newspaper stand at the entrance of the stadium which read: “Lloyd heads for treble.”

As he walked out of the stadium after the Indian win, “I saw someone had struck off the word, treble, and instead scribbled, trouble.”

The most important incident of the final? “When Viv Richards fell, there was a sudden silence. We were all looking at one another in the stands. You can't imagine. It was really pin-drop silence. The West Indies weren't sure of victory any longer and the Indians weren't still confident of it either.”

The next thing he remembers is going to the hotel where the Indian team was staying. “The sound of Punjabi drums was ear-shattering. None of the players was saying anything. I think the victory really sank in only the next morning.”

Mohan, however, has a regret, even 25 years later.

“I did not go to Tunbridge Wells. I thought it would be a one-sided affair and expected India to win. So I gave my ticket to someone else. How was I to know that the turning point was out there?”

It would be great if you people nominate cricketers. Please send me a PM with your nominations.

Thank you.

Sir Viv Richards

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Bio-data :

Full name : Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards

Born : March 7, 1952, St John's, Antigua

Current age : 56 years

Major teams : West Indies, Combined Islands, Glamorgan, Leeward Islands, Queensland, Somerset

Batting style : Right-hand bat

Bowling style: Right-arm slow

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Record:

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The original MASTER BLASTER :notworthy:

GGreatest of Batsman with robust style who gave enormous joy to the people in a typical west indian way and made bowlers shudder on his entering the crease. The great master bat had treated fastestest of bowlers with utter disdain, at time even moving outside the crease and whose range of strokes are to be seen to be believed. The best receipient of his strokes is his close friend Ian Terrance Botham who had to bear the brunt of the Richards special often.

His commanding walk to the crease with nonchalnace and not a care in the world attitude is a treat to watch. This great never wore a helmet even against the quickest. Rather the bowlers and fielders needed one.

Calypso king has won many matches single handedly for the windies. When Kapil said that once they got the wicket of Viv, our team believed in winning the Cup speaks about
Viv's greatness and invincibility.

Viv was voted by Widen as the greatest one day player ever. For sheer magic and ferocity of strokes, he remains unique. 8-) :notworthy:

(courtesy my friend, I have videos of his best of innings which is a treasure no doubt)