Wish to initiate discussion on this.
Those come to my mind immediately are :
1. Mohan
2. Sivakumar
3. Ramarajan
The list may be endless. Lets start this.
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Wish to initiate discussion on this.
Those come to my mind immediately are :
1. Mohan
2. Sivakumar
3. Ramarajan
The list may be endless. Lets start this.
I think
1) Kamal
2) Rajini
3) Mohan
4) Ramarajan
5) Sivakumar, Karthik, Prabu, Sathiyaraj, Vijayakanth
6) Vijay
7) Vikram, Surya
For instance - Sivakumar
Annakilli
Badrakali
Kavikuyil
Chittukurivi
Rosappu ravikkaikaari
Mudhal iravu
Unnai naan sandhithen
Naan paadum paadal
My God . The list is endless. Probably Sivakumar got maximum benefitted out of IR.
May be some of the above would not have been super hits but we remember those movies through IR only.
Balaji, I think you are watching maily Sivakumar films only?
Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
U missed Sindhu Bhairavi
Also rajkiran.... though less movies but main benifactor.
I think this question can be best answered only if we consider how far the actor would have got WITHOUT the music of IR.
In that case you would have to ignore kamal and rajni cos they are still great actors.
And in that case I think that MOHAN will top the list without doubt!
Another name that comes to mind is Murali.
I think Sivakumar is a better actor than both of them, though he also benefited a lot frmo IRs music.
Ananth,Quote:
Originally Posted by ananth222
You had hit the bull's eye. Yes, RK and KH are out of this list as they have been successful even otherwise. Probably Sivakumar also can be ejected but Mohan, Murali, Ramarajan, Rajkiran are all in the permanent list
you can also eliminate
Mohan, murali and Rajkiran
Mohan for his excellent facial expressions while singing the songs. it was amazing and he emotes well making us belive he is the real singer behind that mike.
Murali- has proved that apart from music he has some talent in acting too.
Rajkiran-has brilliant directorial/acting skills
hmmmm. the person left is
Ramarajan - yuk no expression, comes with 'hapdouser' with full of lipstick and 'kanmai', no acting skills. he was a zerooooooooooo yet managed upto becoming no.2, because of IR's music only.... :lol:
I can imagin MOHAN with out IR, but not with out SN Surendar. See what happened to Mohan after he split up with SNS. Anyways more than these actors, we benefitted a lot from IR songs.
njv friend,Quote:
Originally Posted by njv
You are going out from the main topic. Pl get back to the issue. There is another thread for Mohan which comes "under Poor surendhar "
ONE WORD
" EVERYBODY "
SOmebody mentioned Rajkiran also. I feel RK is somewhat better as he can act decently and a good Director also.
My view is friend Ramarajan ( RR ) is the main beneficiary
:roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
Dear NJV,Quote:
Originally Posted by njv
I think you have lot of Kusumbu !!!!
Just joking !!!
Best regards
reminds me of a dialogue from s ve shekers "Periyathambi":Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
Periya pannai: "nethi tentu kottaiyula enna padam'le paathe"
Madasami: "En raasavin manasile"
Periya pannai: "Antha maayandi enna baathichchitaan'le"
Rajkiran definitely can do :
1. Direction
2. Acting - Hero
3. Acting - Character roles
I dont think he weighs on IR for his success though he worships IR to the core.
Ramarajan and Mohan are main beneficiaries
To some extent VIjaykanth also.
Amman Koil kizakaalay was the turning point of his career and IR was everywhere in that movie
Besides, IR had given many hits to VK
No I dont have Kusumbu. If at all, it is you who have lot of kusumbu. Otherwise you wouldnt sayQuote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
:roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
Hey just kidding. Yes I do have lot of kusumbu. Illatti polaikka mudiyuma?
NJV,
I genuinely feel that RK has some stuff. To compare, he is better than RR . RR is full of lipstick , colour shirts and rose powder only and above all IR influence.
now we are talking. If you compare RK vs RR, then RK is definitely better. RR is exactly what you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
We have not considered Sivakumar much as subsequently he proved to be a seasoned actor but the fact was that IR was instrumental in bringing back Sivakumar to limelight in the late 70s through his great music.
The late 70s were synonimous with the rise of IR and also rejuvenation of Sivakumar. But for IR, even SIvakumar would have disappeared.
Ramarajan's First film was a success for him which dont had the influence of IR. It was the film Karagatakaran which made a big hpye and linked RR with IR and from that onwards RR soley depended on IR's Music.
So it is fare to say that RR is one the actor who soley depended on IR music for his success ( i would add Kaundamani and senthil's Comedy also a factor along with IR music for the sucess of RR)
Mohan's case is one to one related where he relied on IR's song and also Ir's song relied on mohan's wonderful expression to make that song a hit.So in that case it is one to one and so +50 and -50 would make it nill.There are lot of films where the songs were super hit but the film flopped due to film and story.Eg Neethana andha kuyil of Barathyraja, Karuthamma , Mey Madham , sangamam etc etc.So just good music alone cant be a factor for the success of hero.
Sivakumar is a natural artist and gifted at that and was a product even before IR came to film industry and so i feel Ir's song was a influence for his success but not soley the music.
Murali is also a canditate where most of his successful films are helped by powerful music of IR. Eg Idhayam, pagal nilavu, where without the Music i doubt those films would have been as successful as they were and also Murali dont have a natural charisma which people like Rajani or kamal had.
looking forward to more comments
Hello Vimal Percy,
Nice analysis but :
1. Ramarajan's first movie was engu ooru paatukaran , i think which was a hit due to IR only
2. Sivakumar was virtually out in the late 70s and it was IR who brought him to the front through his dominating music
3. Mohan - Ok 50 % as he was good at reacting well to songs
I would vote for Ramarajan (1) and Mohan (2). But inspite of the loud trademarks of Ramarajan (garish colour shirts, lipstick, make-up and the likes), his movies were very decent (probably barring a few scenes). And yes, IR's music was a huge catalyst factor for his success. Infact I used to search for "Ramarajan Hits" in audio stores for the wonderful scores by IR in Ramarajan movies.
I don't think Sivakumar can be included in this list. Though his songs would've been hits, you cannot attribute the songs to Sivakumar (as we normally trademark a typical "Mohan song" or "Ramarajan song"). Moreover, Sivakumar is definitely a fine actor, whereas in case of Mohan & Ramarajan, their presence in a movie never played a significant role (in terms of looks, acting skills or charisma) for the movie's success. As Vimalpercy rightly quoted, it is the other criteria like story line, comedy, rurual setup and largely IR's music which contributed to the movie's success.
[This is offtrack - though Ramarajan was really popular around late 80s, I have hardly come across any interview of his in a magazine or on TV till date - any reasons?]
Dear Ravi,
Agreed Sivakumar is a fine actor but the fact was that by the mid 70s he was virtually out of the scene and it was movies like the following which brought him back and they are all known for IR only and not Sk :
1. Annakili
2. Kavikuyil
3. Badrakali
4. Chittikurivi
5. Rosapoo ravikkaikari
6. Aanandha ragam
7. Naan paadum paadal
8. Poondhalir
etc etc. All the said movies are famous only for songs and not for Sks acting.
I doubt that, i guess his first film was nama ooru nalla ooru where he is the director of the film and actor.Quote:
Nice analysis but :
1. Ramarajan's first movie was engu ooru paatukaran , i think which was a hit due to IR only
Let me know if i am correct or wrong
[This is offtrack - though Ramarajan was really popular around late 80s, I have hardly come across any interview of his in a magazine or on TV till date - any reasons?]
At the period, he was popular i guess for one single year, where he acted in like 12 or 13 films which was termed as record no of films for an actor in one year. So having acted in such no of films, i doubt he had time for interview in magazine etc.
But he was a popular gosip maker with names like Pasunesan , madunadikar etc etc, and one article came about him where it quoted that when they were shooting a film for him, some forigners were looking at the shooting and when they were told he is the hero, they just laughed and told that they thought he is a comedian.And other than that any magazine or Tv Channel would risk their pages or hours intervieing him??
with regards
vimal
Vimal,
For all his limitations, RR looked a bit lookable compared to other current heros. Sans his colour dressing.
nearly everyone in 80's period.
but the order is
1)mohan
2)ramarajan
3)sivakumar
4)kamal and rajni(apart from ilayaraja their movies ran for their talent too)
5)and all others like prabhu and karthik
Add Murali andQuote:
Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
Thyagarajan to this elite list !!
how do i leave out murali.yes.he is one of the main guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
For Vijaykanth,
Amman koil kizakaalay and Poonthota kavalkaran are turning point in career and IR was the main hero in those movies.
Hence, he was also a main beneficiary.
I will say 1000 times that Sivakumar was virtually out of the scene in the late 70s and it was IR who brought him back .
Dear Balaji...
For Vijayakanth rarely one or two, as you mentioned...
But VK's movies mainly depends upon his stunt masters and diologue writers (especially against politicians and terrorists). Music is a secong thing for V.Kanth.
So, please dont add him in this list.....
Saradhajii,Quote:
Originally Posted by saradhaa_sn
The stress here is - VK's turning point was - AKK movie and PKK and both were musical hits.
Later he created a fan following for him and set a pattern for stunt fights and new type of fighting scenes. He did change the pattern which was the same during MGR's days.
By the way, I am a big fan of VK also !!
Even before AKK, VK got a big career boost in `vaidhEki kAthirundhAL' engineered by R Sundarrajan...otherwise, VK would have disappeared after doing a few SA Chandrasekaran & Rama Narayanan movies with red eye syndrome...
Prior to that he had the Tamil original of Andha kanoon as his biggest hit...and most of his initial hits were with S-G (one that comes to mind is sivappu malli with that beautiful `reNdu kannam sandhanakkiNNam')...
However, what made him into the real big league was pulan visAraNai (auto shankar stuff)...I'm not sure who was the MD...
It may not be appropriate to say VK got his career boosted by any MD IMHO...if anything, he was shrewd to choose at least some effective stories that clicked with TN audience...i.e. despite his screen presence:-)
App,Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Nice that you pointed out Vaidhegee .... but again there was IR . All songs were awesome hits :
1. Raasathee onnai
2. Azagu malaraada
3. Enraikku en indha aanandhamay
I still remember that movie being talked about mainly for R.S. and IR and Revathy but not for VK.
Sattam oru irutarai - was the original one of SAk which is Andha kanoon
VK was smart enough to create a niche for himself by focussing on stunt movies and he also encouraged guys like ....... Roja's husband now ??? and made Pulan visaranai and also Aabavanan in OOmai vizigal. After that he looked back.
His peak was during the Chinna kaundar days along with , Maanagara kaaval , some Veerappan type movie ( that guy Mansoor alikhan playing Veerapan role )
App,
MD of Pulan visaaranai was - IR only. That movie had just one song but was well known for BGM.
Dear Balaji...
Still I am not able to digest that Vijakaanth's movies were talked for music and songs. In his movies, songs and music will be a part, but not main. So we cant add him in the list "who benefited more by IR's songs". In fact you already omitted two main artists (Kamal & Rajini), who benefited more by IR, comparing to Vijayakanth. Same like them VK also improved for other talents apart from songs, so we should delete him from this list.
But if you take Mohan and Ramarajan, they are mainly benefited by IR's songs, without much other abilities. (Especially Mohan's films with Kovaithambi, which gave him a tilte as 'Mike' Mohan).
In Tamil cine field, there is a talking, do you know? That is:
During the story discussion of other actors, the director, story writer, producer, Hero.... all will discuss about the points:
"Who is the heroine.....??. (also howmany heroines)"
"Howmany songs we need for this movie.."
"What are all the song locations.."...etc.
But for Vijayakanth films, they will discuss about:
"Howmany Villains we need..."
"Howmany Jeeps and cars we need..."
"Howmany Guns, AK-47, Bullets, Riwalwer we need..." etc.
This talking itself will show clearly that Music and Song will never take main part for VK movies.
Comparing with his other hits, his musical hits (like Vaidgehi...., Amman Koil.... etc) are very few in percentage.
Dear Sharadhajii,
Given below was my posting on 28th July :
"For Vijaykanth,
Amman koil kizakaalay and Poonthota kavalkaran are turning point in career and IR was the main hero in those movies.
Hence, he was also a main beneficiary.
I will say 1000 times that Sivakumar was virtually out of the scene in the late 70s and it was IR who brought him back "
END
The point I have been highlighting is on the TURNING POINT FOR VK. Never I had mentioned that he was totally benefitted . Before Amman koil and Poonthottaa KK , VK was not moving forward except as APP mentioned earlier that Vaidhegi was another movie( even Vaidhegi was a musical hit with SUndarrajan's direction and Revathy's acting ).
VK' career took a turning point after these movies . However, he was smart enough to understand his strengths and limitations and started using new generation of directors - R.K. Selvamani / Aabavaanan - All from DFT
He worked on stunts / fights / Politics / corruption / national integration etc etc and strengthened his position later.
Yes, once that started clicking, MUSIC BECAME SECONDARY FOR VK'S SUCCESS FORMULA.
But ultimately, IR was instrumental in VK staging a comback though those 3 movies as they enabled him to get A FOOTHOLD in industry which otherwise he would have lost
Before these hits, he was not focussing on stunts , fights . Even in Amman koil - there will be a scene , fighting with Radha ravi and getting defeated also !!! which never happened after he re-positioned himself well .
Hello Sharadhajii,
You mentioned about Mohan and RR .
Mohan ------------- I think he did well in Mouna ragam. OOOOOops I have to search for some good ones !!. Apart from that , his lip expressions and reactions to songs were somewhat looking as if he sang those songs . In a way he had something in him
But RR -- only colour jigina shirts with all the flowers in the world .
Heavy lipstick
Heavy rose powder.
This thread exactly will fit him