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raja_fan,
I really don't understand your intentions here!
We all know that Raaja had been contradicting and he speaks his mind at that particular moment. He is more like a child in his behaviour. I dont understand why this glorification matter hurts you badly.
There are fans who think they have understood Raaja and his statements and tend to reason out his statements, there are fans who think they have not understood Raaja and are trying to find a reason... And fans like me who at times understands and at times dont...and just move on listening to his music. Ocassinally rasing our concerns over issues which may turn-out to be a problem to society or his his own musical output.
You dont fall in any of these categories. You to be here to fish in muddled water. Think of this,are any of us are in capacity to go to Raaja and ask him to stop all the nonsense he speaks? Hey I hate Raaja for what he spoke in the intro part of Geethanjali (Devotional) Album that 'He is dedicating the Album to those crores and crores of poor people and they should listen to the album and feel happy'. I thought WTF?!! May be his traditional thought made him to think "Sevikku unavu illada podu Vayitrukku siridu eeyappadum",and that he is providing people with Sevi Unavu. But my integrity can think only like "Thani oru manithanukku unavu illai enil intha jagathinai azhithiduvom”. So I skip that portion from the album and move on. That what a sane person would do. When you dont like something 'skip'. There is no use harping upon what we dont like.
...And what is wrong in Raaja not telling 'Sandhosham' for the award which Rahman got? Are you feeling happy for 'Rahman'? Iam not - Iam not feeling happy for Raaja either!
If atall there was some happiness in his face it was due to the way these reporters, fans and public thronged his place. Otherwise 'Murugesan Street' would've maintained the same silence like any other day. This can be understood from his opening statement and Body Language stating that he understands that all of them are here, thinking that it is an award bestowed upon themselves and he feels happy for them. In that opening statement itself he has shattered all the illusions about awards. He is as such not happy (means he is neutral) about it but the happiness of people/fans surrouding him makes him happy.
Ithukku mela avarkitta poi 'Rahmanukku neenga santhoshapadreengala'nna? athu kElvi KEttavanOda muttalthanam thaan. Watch his answer for bala and check out how reluctant he was in uttering that 'Santhosham' for him. Because he does not 'feel' happiness in these mundane attachements. So be It.
As a raja_fan If you are happy for Rahman and Raaja sharing the same dias for the same award, and as I've seen/heard Raaja fans not so very happy for this, (some of them close to me were perplexed over my indifference over this award) Iam happy to note your magnanimity. So Be it.
....Symphony time utterings over 'ithu pOla athu irukkathu'.
raja_fan what is your take on Raaja speaking on Rahman's Oscar Felicitation function 'Brahmaandamaa nadakkalaam aanaal ithu pOla oru vizha ungalukku ini nadakkathu'. Ponder over both to find out whether it was regarding money/product etc. which binds us to the world or is it something very personal which can only be felt not seen or understood.
Given the short comings of language, for Raaja not able to express what he feels in 'Words', sometimes he makes me understand the profound importance of life and us humans in this cosmos. But I always resort to his music to understand this. He speaks his mind better through music. Sometimes I feel that the language as is, is something alien to this man and he can communicate only through music. Ahhh.. how wonderful this world will be if music is made universal language for communication, banning all others.
After wandering around the tfmpage.com & the hub for more than a decade, I'm quite convinced that Raja NEED NOT do a symphony to prove his greatness :-)
If he does, I'll be happy. If he does not, I'll still be happy :-)
One thing he has made very clear is the "commercial non-viability" of scoring for a symphony. (I can interpret his statement about technology only this way).
Cine music pays him and he does that.
If symphony / xyz music pays him sufficiently, he will do that as well.
That's all about it, very simbil :-)
Oru news vanthaal pothumey, ulagamey azhincha mathiri oru kootamey varum. Athuvum "practical" IR fans. :banghead: Guys do not bother aruging with them, we are having bottlenecks in network traffic due to unnecessary packets.
For the record, IR's character usually gets in his way when he speaks which makes it hard for most to understand. People have to realise that IR is human and any human is bound to be irritated by such dumb questions coming in the media. There are two ways we can answer such things, remain patient and go away or rebutt with in-your-face answers. Thalaivar did the latter and there is no surprise. And the most important thing is we have no right to question his characteristics, not everyone is born as humble with no sensitivity to such questions. Moreover he is not giving any threat or insulting answers, so the idea of controversy is null.
Actually it is "fans" like raja_fan who make it into a controversy when they can easily ignore it and go on. Shows how poosinikka minded this people are. Where is the moderator when we need one? :angry2:
Thalaivar has had alot of telugu film announcements and a tamil film as well but i doubt if they were even reported here thanks to all these focus on something that has nothing to do with his music.
Kamesh,
I have heard much sinister stories about Raaja from whom are personally close to him. It is not right for you to put something here, which is not verifiable by any means. How do you know that the person whom you heard from doesnt have any malicious intent. Even if he is genuine how do we know what went through Raaja before he called to edit that?
I personally
A. dont believe in your friends version. Being your friend, why dont you go and check what was there in that edited portions! I would've demanded that to understand what was the intention of Raaja instead of cribbing over a friendoda friendoda friendoda version.
B. Think that there had to be reason.
Once I met a Person who is accesible to Raaja, being a family friend of his. He said something very damaging about Raaja once in a Bar. When he moved away from the seat for a call I said '...tha semma gaadula irukaan, Raaja ivana kuppura poattu aap adichi irukkaaru poala' I cannot forget the laughter that broke out on our table. We were laughing our guts out until he came back to rejoin us on the table and I asked keeping my face serious 'Apram machi vera enna' ....tha everyone else broke out once again. Ithukku ellam ivalothaan naan importance kuduppen.
Thanks for the news Dear :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kameshratnam
danksubaa for opening a new thread...
ippo Raja_fanukkum Kamesh ratnathukkum, IRIR123kkum enna venum?
1. Raaja oru hypocrite (along with likes of me ) . granted
2. Raaja vyaavaaram theriyaadha impractical manushar - granted
3. Raaja oru vayitherichal paarty (this will make raja_fan very very happy - granted
oththukkarom O podrom - sandhoshamaa? thrupthiyaa? inimel idhai patri isai ketka mattume mudiya koodiya nammaal enna seyya mudiyum? adhai seivom.
iTunesil innoru dhadavai Thiruvasagam purchase panninen - indiavil vaangiya CDyai vida nalla quality - I urge folks to do that and enjoy the bliss. $9.99 is too low a price for this masterpiece while other symphinic works (even the oft heard and average ones) sell at $15 a piece.
noone doubts his greatness - my one and only concern is that he shd not fade away but rather continue in grander fashion - symphonic works are 'grand' - i have been discussing the works of later composers like Gustav Mahler, Dmitri Shostakovich etc, and I would love to see IR lined up with them - there is and will always be an audience for them - IR can easily juggle between symphonic works and commercial filmy popcorn music (which is what he does these days, barring a PR, or a PAA) - am sure he knows that too, but something definitive is preventing him from doing thisQuote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
abt raajaa simply calling sony and asking them to pickup distribution of thiruvaasagam - the most naive statement made by IRIR in this hub.
The base of TiS listeners are in tamil nadu only. the original scope with gulzar and everybody would have interested SONY . For a non filmi experimental devotional spiritual - whew - I am at the most minor branch of my marketing categories where it will be placed next to a little known album called Akhand released by some Kalki devotees.
so this had to be a oor koodi izhukkum thaer and I am proud that he reached out to millions of fans like me (and offcourse - YOU IRIR) who are buying tiS copies till date and gifting them regularly to friends adn family.
All this on top of his capricious business sense.. so the numbers easily add up against him in public sphere. Could he have avoided it - In my opinion NO and that is why he tied up with Agi - which is smart in the sense that none of the brilliant BGM pieces will lie wasted in a film hereafter and one can hope that AGI will release them like Music Messaiah.
I strongly disagree with you on this! its not abt the base, but abt the reach it cud have had with Sony, which wud have easily reached so many appreciative ears everywhere - and it wud have been easier then for sony or anyone else to approach IR for other albums, then IR cud have easily told them 'i want to do this, that' and given what he wanted to do all the time - am not going to be apologetic abt my thoughts/comment abt his choice of associating with a non-professional for an album like TiS - the lack of coherence in thinking and logic in such a decision is palpable and shockingQuote:
Originally Posted by "jaiganes"[b
in the end, IR can and will do what he chooses to do, thats his problem/domain, I only wish he did otherwise, for my own selfish reasons/desire of listening to grander works from him, the chances for which IMHO are diminishing by the day
each time i play his music to someone who has not listened to him before, that moment when i see the spark of understanding in his/her eyes the music creates, my heart swells with joy and also a sadness that his music has to reach ppl through such means, when they could have been done better!
As regards to IR's wavering spiritual mind - well he personifies every person who is spiritual and is getting there. There is no use in putting on a humility cloak and have a dual face - having that will make one spiritually immoral and coming to terms of such a spiritual duality is of more torture for the inclined follower. Offcourse to people observing it will be very confusing and chaotic. This is one more reason why masters adviced 'solitude' or ekaantha for a person completely inclined to be spiritual to avoid the brickbats of public reaction to one's confusion. This is very usual and yogis pass over this by either ekantha or mouna( SILENCE). I as a fan of Raja's music and a early baby of spiritual knowledge can understand parts of it and therefore accept Raaja for what he was , is and trying to become. Someone like Raja_Fan and more ppl in the hub can sound like conch blowers and whistle blowers of truth about Raaja, but they are taking a 'Black and White' approach in doing so. As I said earlier, a person is not the sum of all his public utterances - and there will always be more than what meets the public eye including 'he did not serve me water ' to ' he asked me to wipe off an entire length of interview'.
As far as the charu quoted 'Thanni vakkala' gripe of a mallu journo - I would only say, 'endaa ambi - moocha varudhunnu sonna, raaja enna ingaye moochi po' appdinnaa solla poraar. excuseaa illai velila odi poyee thanni kudikka? CRV blogai oru dhadavai padingappa.
Finally (from my side) Raaja vai paththi judgement kudukka naam yaar? such things are between him and his maker(If he believes in one). We are passerbys in tea shops. However I want to bring to Raja_fans and Kamesh ratnams of this hub's attention - vera media personality paththi dhairyamaa indha maadhiri Citizen kane inspection pannida mudiyumaa without being harrowed and bullied?
Jai,
Very well said. For all the crib that raja_fan does can he point out any other personality who has been given this treatment by all and sundry. And their respective fans being as civilized as here. Maybe raja_fan would have tried it somewhere else and come back here, knowing fully well this is the only place where even posters like him will be tolerated. After all that we have everybody jumping that we are the most intolerant :lol:
irir123: I fully agree with you in the sense that I too would love Raja doing more and more work. Infact today afternoon, this was the discussion with a friend as to what Raja has lined up this year. I would be happy whatever he does. I don't have any demands as to what he should or should not do. Anything he does, I am willing to listen. He hasn't failed me till now and I am confident he won't in the future as well.
Reg Sony etc, I would say that Jai has a valid point. I don't think Sony would have thought that 'Tiruvasagam' would be a best seller. I am sure even if Raja was ready whether Sony would have been. I am saying this because I understand that Raja's market is not something which is pan India and 'Tiruvasagam' in WCM style is not something which would appeal to everyone. Infact I am surprised that it was done at all!! Yes, the reach would definitely have been better. Sony released 'Om Shanthi' and the very next day after the release function it was available in Bangalore. Whereas I am still searching for 'Madhiya Chennai'.
I hope we will all agree to put an end to this personality related discussions for the time being. I know that something or the other will crop up when Raja goes to make a speech. For the time being, let us stop here and continue discussions regarding music. We have given everyone a chance to have their say.
is it ?? do you know where I can get it online ?? tried searching for it on sony's website, but nothing comes upQuote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
No clue on the onsite stuff irir123. I generally haven't bought anything via the net recently. I will check out the album cover and see if there is any link and will let you know.
Both Sony & Saregama were ready for Thiruvaasagam production & Marketing. It was Raaja who signed with 'Wellgate' in India and 'Agi music' for overseas. Copy rights & Royalty issues were the deciding factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
Enna Seiyarathu :( He doesnt have that and people around him have more sense than needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
Got this link from Orkut
Dr.Vijay had uploaded it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?wz5dmmkaz2a
ASIANET is airing the Asianet 2010 Awards program. Lots of IR songs being performed. Next in line is Chitra's Kunnathe. The entire cast of Pazhassi Raja and others like Kamal are in the audience.
வினையும் எதிர்வினையும்
Start Meesic :happydance:
South Indian Actor Arya opens Production House
South Indian actor Arya has opened his own production house The Show People, its first project being Padi Thurai. He has the shared the responsibility of the films among friends and other industry people.
Currently busy acting in a Telugu flick Madrasa Pattinam, Chikku Bukkku, Arya seems to the person who likes to concentrate on one thing at a time.
Though the talented actor has started his production house, he just wants to act as a producer in it, rather than acting in the films churned out by his production house.
He says, “I have started a production house- The Show People, along with my friends. I will be producing three films per year. My first film will be Padi Thurai. Bala assistant Saga is directing this film. Ilayaraja is composing the music. New face Abhishek is doing the lead role and Nadodigal Anaya is pairing with him. Saga has asked me to do a role in this film but I strongly rejected this idea. My only role in this film is that of a producer.”
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And their respective fans being as civilized as here. Maybe raja_fan would have tried it somewhere else and come back here, knowing fully well this is the only place where even posters like him will be tolerated.
Again a personal attack rather than discussing facts in this forum !
And you are talking about tolerance and the treatment meted out to IR ! :)
raja_fan,Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Neenga seiyaradhu enna velai?
Raja vai patri attack dhanae...
Ethanai time, ehtanai kelvi ku , ungaluku elalrum
bhadhil solliyachae..
Neena Raja ai attack seiyalam...
Vambaga alaiyum ungalai Personal Attack seiya kudadha? :lol:
IR fans - engalai vida - Neenga neraiya IR ai nenaikareenga ... very nice...
(kadavulai illai endu solbavan - Kadavulai iruku endru Nambigiravanai vida adhigam ninaikaran. Adhanal avanuku than
kadavul arul kidaikum...
adhai pola. IR ai pazhichu pazhichu, IR ai neraiya nenaikareenga.. Koodiya viraivil - UNMAIYANA raja_fan aga aga poreenga.. gavanama irunga.)
Curious question - who nominates albums for the Grammy's?
Record companies like Sony, Time etc.. or even Individuals can submit their work with a physical copy for reviews.
Albums or single songs/tracks they can submit.
Ravi Shankar's WEST MEETS EAST is a nice album with Yehudi Menuhin.
It is my favorite , enchanting poorya dhanashri.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1yEZ...eature=related
Zakir hussain's Global drum Project, I need to search at the Library this evening. :)
My thanks to Shri.L.Subramaniam for introducing me to the wonderful Yehudi Menuhin, Stephene Grappelli during 90s at Madras .... I bought couple of their fusion jazz albums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV0IcFyXUWs
I am Very Happy for A.R.Rahman. :musicsmile:
vinatha. :)
Usha,
Don't worry. raja_fan has clearly proved his posts are worth ignoring. That is what I intend to do unless he starts posting something related to music.
Interesting picture (from dinamaNi on Padmabhushan award):
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ok, some more on IR's "biz acumen" :
http://www.vallinam.com.my/issue14/column1.html
Not a justification for IR's eccentricities, but this report gives some insight as to how circumstances can push one to making certain statements :
http://www.thenaali.com/thenaali.aspx?N=5402
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கடந்த சில தினங்களுக்கு முன் இசைஞானி இளையராஜா வீட்டில் திரண்டார்கள் பத்திரிகையாளர்கள். அத்தனை பேரையும் எதிர்பார்க்காத ராஜா, என்ன இத்தனை பேர் திரண்டு வந்திருக்கீங்க என்று ஆச்சரியத்தை வெளிப்படுத்தினார். தேசிய விருது பெற்ற அவரை வாழ்த்தவும் அவரது கருத்தைக் கேட்கவும் கூடிய கூட்டம் இது.
ஆனால் ஆர்வக்கோளாறில் முண்டியடித்து முன்னேறியவர்கள் அவரது வீட்டில் அழகுக்காக வைக்கப்பட்டிருந்த பல பொருட்களை உடைத்துத் தள்ளிவிட்டார்கள். இது ராஜாவை கொஞ்சம் கவலைப்பட வைத்திருக்கிறது. அதைக்கூட மன்னிக்கலாம். வாழ்த்த வந்தவர்கள் கேட்ட கேள்விகளும் அவருக்கு ஆத்திரத்தை வரவழைத்துவிட்டது.
ஒரு நிருபர் "ஒரு படத்துக்கு நீங்க நாலு பாட்டு போட்டா அதில ஒன்றுதானே ஹிட் ஆகுது. ஏன் எல்லா பாட்டும் ஹிட் ஆக மாட்டேங்குது?" என்றெல்லாம் கேள்வி கேட்டு அனல் மூட்டினார். இதுபோன்ற பல கேள்விகள் அவரை எரிச்சல் மூட்ட, நல்ல நல்ல கேள்விகளுக்குகூடச் சுள்ளென்று பதில் சொன்னார் இளையராஜா.
The title for the thread "rAjar" is quite funny :-) (Remember the "Suryar" discussion in the TF section?)
Interestingly, the British lady who made out my badge for a recent seminar added a "r" in the end of my name, by mistake :-)
I got reminded of the hub and had a secret laugh :-)
this and your previous posts must be eye openers for many.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
the prism called ilayaraaja has many more faces to unravel adn many more colours to reveal before he can be labeled as X or Y. I hope everyone understands and lets the great artist work on his own pace and with his own way of making things happen..
மிகப்பெரிய புத்திசாலித்தனமோ உயர்ந்த கற்பனை வளமோQuote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
மேதைகளை உருவாக்குவதில்லை.
மாறாத அன்பு, அன்பு, அன்பு மட்டுமே
ஓர் உண்மையான மேதையின் ஆன்மாவாக இருக்கிறது
- மொஸார்ட்
Quote:
Neenga seiyaradhu enna velai?
Raja vai patri attack dhanae...
Ethanai time, ehtanai kelvi ku , ungaluku elalrum
bhadhil solliyachae..
Neena Raja ai attack seiyalam...
Vambaga alaiyum ungalai Personal Attack seiya kudadha?
What I do is criticism !
I do not call IR names or ridiculing for its sake. I have facts to share and I am doing that.
If you can, please do that instead of brushing aside facts or resorting to personal attacks.
And some people here speak as though I have only postings which talk of IR's personality. For them, I cannot show all my nearly 9 years of involvement in this forum discussing about his music.
But I am confined mostly to his personality and speeches in recent times, because that is what people here do nowadays...only thing they want everybody to worship IR as they do..
raja_fan,Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
as u told...only thing they want everybody to worship IR as they do..
Indha arthathil Naangal ingae pesavillai ..
Konjam ezhudha therinjadhum, ezhudha oru idam kidaithadhum,
ORU GARVAM VADNHU - AVAN AVAN RAAJA VAI ALASARANGALAE.....
IDHARKU ELLAM IVARGALUKU ENNA THAGUDHI IRUKIRADHU.....
UNMAIYAI MUZHUVADHUM THERINDHU KONDU VITTU THANAE JUDGEMENT SEIYA VENDUM.......
IDHU DHAN ENGAL PAKKAM KARUTHU........
Idhu inge ellorukkum porundhum. adhanaal ungal pirachchanaiye indha forum thaano ?Quote:
Konjam ezhudha therinjadhum, ezhudha oru idam kidaithadhum,
"avan avan"Quote:
ORU GARVAM VADNHU - AVAN AVAN RAAJA VAI ALASARANGALAE.....
aha ! enna oru mariyaadhai..paraspara uraiyaadalin pothu oru kuraintha patcha mariyaadhai irukka vendum..adhu ithu thaan.
enna thaguthi vendum aiyyaa ?Quote:
IDHARKU ELLAM IVARGALUKU ENNA THAGUDHI IRUKIRADHU.....
"isai gnaaniyai vimarsikka isai gnaanikku mattum thaan thaguthi irukku" enru neengal sonnaal...aiy..askku buskku..apparam indha forum inge ennaththukku ?
raja_fan,
Ungaludan ini pesuvadhaga ilai..
Urupadadha vaadham , pechu, vaarthai - idharku ellam bhadhil solla vendiya avasiyam
ENAKU ILALI ENA MUDIVU SEIDHU, INI MEL
UNGALUDAIYA - DHARKA DHEERIYANA PECHUKU
BHADHIL SOLLA MATEN .....
raja_fan, here's a deal - ungaLukkAga oru thread aarambikkarEn. eppOvellAm ungaLukku IR-ai thittaNumnu thOnudhO ange pOyi aasai thIra thittikkunga, ukkarndhukittu thittikunga, paduthikittu thittikunga, thittO thittunu thittikkUnga - deal? :-)
romba santhosham :)Quote:
raja_fan,
Ungaludan ini pesuvadhaga ilai..
Urupadadha vaadham , pechu, vaarthai - idharku ellam bhadhil solla vendiya avasiyam
ENAKU ILALI ENA MUDIVU SEIDHU, INI MEL
UNGALUDAIYA - DHARKA DHEERIYANA PECHUKU
BHADHIL SOLLA MATEN .....
Plum, chinna thiruththam..naan IR-ai thittave illai. avarudaiya gunaththai vimarsiththen..adhuvum romba illai..Quote:
raja_fan, here's a deal - ungaLukkAga oru thread aarambikkarEn. eppOvellAm ungaLukku IR-ai thittaNumnu thOnudhO ange pOyi aasai thIra thittikkunga, ukkarndhukittu thittikunga, paduthikittu thittikunga, thittO thittunu thittikkUnga - deal?
ennai thitravangalukku padhil solla poi thaan romba posts adikka vendiyadhaa pochchu..
adhanaala neenga pesaama ennai thittravangalukku oru thread aarambinga..ennaa adhu thaan adhigamaa irukku ;)
aanaa enakkaaga oru thread aarabikkara alavukku neenga innum uruppadaama pogalai-nu nenaikkaren ;)
plum,
raja_fan - ippodhaiku indha thread ai matum
distrub pannanam nu mudivu sendhu irukar.
adhanala - indha thread ai vittu poga matar....
computer la vara virus madhiri
ivar - raja thread ku vandha virus...
epadi ozhikiradhu?