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Topic started by Vidhya (@ 206.216.1.3) on Wed Nov 8 14:48:31 .
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This thread is to discuss the base-Raagam (carnatic/hindhustani) behind hindhi songs.
Based on the discussions we can build a raagam database for Hindhi songs.
Nandri.
Starting with Abheri.
(1) KangaL engae
http://63.248.118.218/songs/ppp/ps_solos/kangal_enge.rm
(2)Yeh Zindagi usee ki hai
http://209.207.247.131/cgi-bin/tsson...l=1&i=2437&d=1
Other Abheri songs (BTW, could it be bHimpalasi too?) in Hindi - nainOn mE badhraa cHaayE (by Latha), Mehdi Hassan's ghazal - Zindagi mE thO sabHi pyaar kiyaa karthE hain.
RaajaG: rt ! Bhimplas and Abheri are the same.
The link lists equivalent ragas in the
Carnatic and Hindusthani traditions.
http://www.aoe.vt.edu/~boppe/MUSIC/RAGA/hc.html
one Abheri - "kahthaa hai meraa yeh dil piyaa" Jeans
("kaNNodu kaaNbadheelam")
Tu milae dhil khilae aur jeenE ko kya chAhiyE- from movie: Criminal.
Sounds AbhEri..
I believe the old classic "prabhu tErO naam" from Hum Dono and
the recent "kismat se tum humko milE hO" from Pukar are also in Bhim Palasi.
Nalini,'Allah tero naam' starts in 'Gaud Sarang' and moves to Hari Kambhoji (kamaj thaat) in the charanam (reminding me of 'DheerE DheerE machal Aye dil-e-bequaraar' here ) ,ends with traversing the Karaharapriya notes and hence the resemblance to Abheri here. 'yeh zindagi usi ki hai' is predominantly in Bhimplasi with d1 also in the pallavi.
'nainOn mE badhraa chhaayE ' is a blatant lift by Madan Mohan from a Telugu Rajeswara Rao composition sung by S.Janaki. I will get back with the pallavi of the song. The telugu song sounds carnatic-ish and the Hindi version has been cleverly 'Hindi-ised'.
'Thoo mEra chaand main thEri chaandni' from Dillagi and 'Aaj puraani raahOn sE kOyee mujhE aawaaz na dE' (aadmi), both by Naushad have more than a generous sprinkling of Abheri.
SL,
I was referring to the song "prabhu tErO naam, jo dhyaye phal paaye sukh laaye tErO naam". Come to think of it, even this one doesn't sound like Bhimpalasi to me now. I hastily thought it was so, based on a couple of lines in the anthara. It sounds more like dhani to me. What do you think? Enjoyed your informative post. Didn't realise
"allah tErO naam" has sprinkles of so many ragas.
Nalini, nice to exchange ideas with you again. It is a long time since anybody contributed to the 'Old Hindi songs' thread.
'Prabhu terO naam'!!! I had almost forgotten the song. Raag Dhani ....first time I have heard the name :))) Do you have a link to the song ?
About 'Allah...', Jaidev was impressive till he got stuck in the Ghazal mould.
dhani -> hindustani counterpart of suddha dhanyasi?
RR : yes.
here is a list of equivalent ragas in the Carnatic and Hindusthani traditions. http://www.aoe.vt.edu/~boppe/MUSIC/RAGA/hc.html
There is one version of Dhani which uses the exact same notes of Shuddha Dhanyasi. The other version also uses the Chatushruti Ri.
Bhimpalasi and Dhani use many of the same notes, but emphases are different...Prabhu Tero Naam is more of a Dhani than a Bhimpalasi.
Some other Hindi songs that fit this Bhimpalasi/Dhani-ish category:
Chaand Maddham Hai - Lata for Madan Mohan in
"Railway Platform"
Maine Chaand Aur Sitaaron Ki - Rafi, N. Datta,
"Chandrakanta"
and the (in)famous
Tu Cheez Badi Hai - Udit, Kavita K., Viju Shah, "Mohra"
Sriram, I thought that might be you! Yes, the Old Hindi Songs thread was fun. The couple of HFM sites that I know of don't have "prabhu tErO naam". Will certainly provide the link if I can find it.
Sanjeev, thanks for those interesting clarifications.
The following also sound Bhimpalasi-ish to me:
Kuch Dil ne Kaha (Anupama)
Nirdayi Preetam (Stree)
'KhilthE hain gul yahaan' is mostly Dhan in that case. I think M2 creeps in , in the charanam in the line 'in lamhon....'.
Nalini, thx for reminding me of 'kuchh dil nE kaha', a stunner. AR Rahman's 'minnalE nee vanthathEnadi..' , has its origin in this song.
Another one in the same lines as 'MainE chaand aur sitarOn', 'HamnE dEkhi hai' from KhamOshi. Both songs touch G3 at a point and one song can be an extension of the other.
Sriram, where are you? Lost your contact info.
Sanjeev, stay with us and share more of your knowledge.
Kuch dhil nE kahaa is one of my all time fves. Have to listen to it again to sense Bhimplasi base.
There was an old old old song by Lata ( can not remember the lyrics) sounding very close to "Kandan Karunai.....", a master piece by Madurai Mani Iyer. Anyone?
Hi Ramji,
Yes, long time!!!! Email me (sriramlak@yahoo.com). Give me the opening lines of the Lata number. Laxmikanth-Pyarelal's 'kOyee nahin hai' (Lata) from Paththar kE sanam shows flashes of Abheri and is impressive.
Hi Sriram:
Sorry I can not give you even the opening line. Have emailed you explaining why.:-)
Can we get out of the Bhimplasi mode for a change ?:))))
I remember reading somewhere in the net that SDB had composed a number in Tilak Kamod (Carnatic NaLina kanthi). Will appreciate some info on this.
A friend of mine pointed out ARR's kandukondEn ( title song) is based on Nalinikanthi. Have been breaking my head to track a SDB song in Tilak Kamod.
This page has a list of songs and their raags. http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1364/songs.html Tilak Kamod has two songs..
Vidhs...and I do not remember ever hearing those songs :((((
SL : Got this site, in google looking for Tilak kamod. it has some good melodies, especially the set on Ahir Bhairav.
Puchho na kaise maine rain bithaayii
& Albaelaa sajan aayo rii - (Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam)
There is a great song in the film Chitralekha- kale tarsa... it is in the rag valachi in Carnatic. What is the Hindustani equivalent of that? Anyone...
BTW, is Ritu aa Gaye re in 1947 Earth in pantuvarali? Can anyone confirm that?
This is a link for raga of hindhi songs:
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1364/songs.html
Vidhya, MS, thanks for that link.
I do not recognize those Tilak Kamod songs either.
Neither could I come up with any Tilak Kamod songs on my own! I'm sure there are many. Does "hum tErE pyar mein sArA Alum Kho baitEn hain" from Dil ek Mandir come close, or is it Desh?
CP, the Hindustani equivalent for Valachi is Kalavati.
Is Pankh hote to ud aati re from sehra set in mohanam?
Can anyone confirm whether Hum Kissise HN Qawwali (good one!) is in valaji/kalavathi ? You can listen to it in http://www.megacinema.com/
oops! just checked the list, it's there under Kalavathi.. :)
A singer told me that film songs unlike carnatic don't maintain the shruti consistently.Is it true?
Vijay : the raag-list site http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1364/songs.html
has "pankh hote to ud aati" as Bhoopali which is Mohanam.
CP: Rithu aa gayae rE is here
http://ww.smashits.com/searchresults.cfm?Page=ShowDetails&ProductID=224
NaLini: Hum tErE pyar ,mein saara aalum is here
http://ww.smashits.com/searchresults...ProductID=1411
Rithu aagayi re is in Panthuvarali/Poorya Dhanashri
Hum there Pyaar mein is in Desh
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songs films ragas
LAPAK JHAPAK TU DHARBARI
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bol re papi hara guddi miya malhar
kahin deep jale bees sal bad shivranjani
indian rain colonial cousins megh malhar
methe bol bole kinara bhairavi
tu cheez badi hai mohara bhimpalasi
koi jo mila to breatheless yaman
albela sajan ayo HUM DIL DE CHUKE AHIR BHAIRAV
RADHIKE TUNE BANSURI DARBARI
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Dear all
Anyone knows the raga for Dheeme Dheeme from Mohabbetein?
Thanks
"Dheeme Dheeme " is ShankarabharaNam.
Is Pankh hote to ud aati re from sehra set in mohanam?
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