GVM said that it was him who wanted Yuvan to sing those songs. It wasn't IR's choice/decision. GVM deserves credit/critizism for this :)
he does but given that GVM gave a freehand to IR, IR could have easily told him "dude, i think there are much better singers that suit these songs"! He didnt :-(.. I somehow dont buy the argument of "Yuvan's voice suits the emotion there"! Saindhu Saindhu sounds much much better in Telugu. Emotion being the same, how come Shaan delivers better than Yuvan? even for Pengal endraal - I am sure there are much better singers who can not only suit the emotion there but also make it sound more better, vocally.. i would blame both here - for looking at commercial angle more. I feel this all the more because in all other songs (the vocals were just right for the singers; vaanam mella is an exception though - i felt even that song could have been much better with any other singers). this is precisely why I feel the songs which score 10/10 in this album are Kaatre konjum, Mudhal murai and sattru munba and to some extent ennodu vaa vaa.
Saaindhu saaindhu is a delight and u1 is apt - he is not that great in pengal endraal - but still is effective..
Much of u1 bashing is at best a simple prejudice and not an objective recollection of listening experience - Having said that,
much of what we do with respect to observing and appreciating an art form is highly and intensely 'subjective'.
it could be done - with one condition - ONLY ORIGINAL NEPV CD please - already two ppl have expressed their unhappiness even about iTUNES downloaded stuff - one jazz reviewer has outright rejected my invitation to review once I told him, i dont have the original CD - he had initially been enthusiastic abt NEPV after hearing the samples!
if it is to be sent to someone at a professional level, ONLY original CDs should be sent
you may PM me with more details abt Sarah as well as what is it that you have in mind
contrary to what many ppl think in this hub, things work way differently abroad, esp in the US where copyright laws are very stringently observed with a team from the department of justice very vigilant
NEPV has made it to a reputed Film Music site !
http://www.filmmusicsite.com/soundtracks.cgi?id=9605
no no... GVM said that IR can have freehand to use any orchestra or compose anywhere he wants. According to GVM, he not only asked for Yuvan to sing couple of songs... but he even asked for certain instruments to be used while composing songs - my memory is vague but any of you remember this from the NEPV episodes on Jaya TV or maybe I read this on this forum posts somewhere?
I don't think Yuvan did a bad job with Saindhu Saindhu... He really has that youth feel. Not all that bad... I will try to get catch the Telugu version some time.
just a joke.. Vijaykanth says in ramana 'Doctor kittayin lawyer kittayin sollave koodaadha vaarthai 'evlo selavaanaalum parava illai'' (sentence not to be uttered to doctor or lawyer - ' I am ready to pay anything to save X or Y').
But producer has to say that to IR - to get a whalloping musical album like NEPV... ;-)
The composition is a delight for sure but I disagree that yuvan is apt! I asked at least 7 people who have more keen ears than I do in terms of identifying apasruthis. I had a doubt if he was going off key and everyone confirmed it. As for emotion, it's a romantic ballad, not a drunken-revelry song where apasruthis can fit the emotion. The orchestration is so gentle - like suresh wrote in his blog - that it really demanded a soft voice and not coarse voice that yuvan has. And forget musically knowledgeable folks, even generic audience.. like at least 11 of my friends gave a reaction "why spoil such a noise song with such a wrong singer"
I agree that yuvan's coarse voice could be the characteristic that would've suited pengal endral.. But I felt, as much as the choice of yuvan was almost right here, he doesn't match the composition in the 1st half (yuvan's fault IMO). I felt his voice becomes effective, as you rightly said it, from charanam onwards. That's where I felt he got it right.
Saaindhu is one milestone song in Ilayaraja. Hee has never done such a song earlier and Yuvan is indeed the apt choice. After so many songs which proved to bee diffcult to sing or dictated totally by Ilayaraja, this one is packed with lot of emotions. This song is not for sruthi suthham, as we associate with other songs. when it is sleepy night mood, who will sing with 100% sruthi sutham.... this will fit perfectly as "T" for the situation
Good find!
I have a few minor comments.
Mostly IR songs will have scale differences between songs in a single film. This helps in a great way making the user feel to get a different experience of the raaga or harmony. But due to several reasons such as time constraints, composing sequence/composer's mood, motivation, film requirements, IR has provided this kind of single scale albums in the past. we can name them a lot, I believe from his 900 odd films.
But for NEPV I feel the reason for this single scale album are multipleIT could be cause of the following 2 main reasons...
1. When scale changes, retuning need to be done for many instruments if not all(particularly percussion). For ex., by default, percussion instrument will be tuned to E major in an orchestra. Piano doesn't need retuning. Except for a few instruments, most of the instruments require retuning when scale changes. There are many instruments (as always in many IR albums) used in this album. Typically tuning so many instruments for different scales for each song in an album is not an easy task as it is time consuming. First of all it requires lot of sound engineering effort to get it done before even rehearsal. Retuning percussion is not easy...
2. Another factor that comes to my mind is, this chosen scale actually suits both IR and YSR . Going beyond this scale, means they have to strain a lot to sing which would not have come out well. Hence IR would have judiciously chosen this scale. This is the not the first time he doing this way. I am seeing this being done for a very long whenever he sings.
3. Another factor is the sequence of tune creation. I dont know which was the first tune for which GVM requested IR a song. Going from that song, the comsposing sequence will actually affect the scale of the other songs because when IR creates a tune and records the tune in a particular scale and OKAYED by GVM he will not change that scale for that song. Also for the next song he will be influenced by other factors such who to put for singing. Also as we know all songs were composed in a single sitting and with the same love theme, I feel the panchamam scale for all songs is not a surprise.
small digression:
While I was re-watching the show. I saw Karthik, commenting that out of 3 songs he sang, 2 will stand for atleast 30 yrs in future. I guess the one he left out was the pudikalamamu which was my least favorite song.
The way he spoke showed his confidence. But at the same time I am surprised he said that quite bluntly. Maybe it is due to 1. slip up or 2. Over confidence and lack of humility. We all do slip up once in a while. But to say this at an early stage of career was bit surprising to me.
As an example, when GVM introduced Katrai konjam song, he said it was favorite among all good ones. That shows humility.
haha! True! When he said 2 out of 3 songs will 'pass the timetest', it got me thinking too!
These days, while regularly looping on the album, it's kaatrai konjam where I think his singing is the weakest, especially in the charanams where he doesn't hit the notes bang on - 'almost there, but not quite there' levels. The guy's surely talented; just a little lack of focus, maybe :roll:.
Karthik spoke his mind. There is nothing special about the second half of Pudikkala Maamu. The first half of Sooraj version is really rocking and the guitar prelude is really path breaking. But the song loses steam in the second half. May be second half of the song is situational and could be elevated by GVM's picturisation, but from the vocal stand point it won't stand the time test, IMHO.
Well said jaiganes. Yuvan is fabulous in both these songs. He is truely a youth ICON of Tamil Music, well deserved to be in this so called "YOUTH APPEAL" album. I know there are other singers, but why would Isaignani go elsewhere when there is already one in the household. Given the situation of two young lovers on a rainy day inside a car, Saindhu Saindhu needs a haunting (kaathalil sokki our kirakkathula) treatment and Yuvan/Ramya just delivered that. Yuvan has been continiously criticized for his singing, so was Isaiganani in his earlier days. Many use to complain that the songs rendered by Isaignani might have been much better with SPB or Yesudoss. But those songs stood the test of time due to the emotions and life injected into them by Isaignani's voice. We need to wait and see how Yuvan's songs will be listened 10 yrs from now.
I don't know whether that blogger means that way...I think he simply states that all songs end with a 'pA' note, which is kind of not a "calm ending" but "thokki niRkal". While such "thokki niRkal" ending is not unusual for some odd song here and there, such ending for ALL songs in a movie / album is unusual, according to the blogger (who ofcourse took the notes from our hubber skr).
So, it may not be stating that all songs are in the same scale (though I'm not knowledgeable to comment on scales / rAgams / swarams etc).
Per my ears, this is one phenomenal album by way of VARIETY :shock:
I can't help but drag my liquor post again :oops:
oru kambLeet liquor shop (comprising of all variety) in this album!
Regarding Karthik telling (only) 2 songs making it past decades - :thumbsup:
ippadiyellAm manasil pattadhai sattunnu pEsuRadhai rAsA kitta irundhu indhappaiyan kaththukkittARO ennamo :-) (chummA "show-humility" ellAm thEvai illainga)
BTW, did anyone view the "celebrities getting into the parking lot after the NEPV concert" youtube that I posted in this thread? Karthik-kkukku "andhap paraparappulayum oru kiLukiLuppu" happens..i.e. a wide-eyed female gets autograph from him :lol:)
@app,
Agree he spoke his mind. But to be at an early career, and speaking bluntly, is a path to disaster. Imagine, with that attitude in a new job in an office. One would not last very long. IR can afford to be blunt as he is already on top of the peak.
^well, I don't agree on the policing part - as long as what one's saying is 'reasonably right', I don't find anything wrong in someone voicing his/her opinion and it needn't necessarily be judged by the person's experience. What got me thinking in this case was which two songs had the guy picked? I'd have been preening & peethifying had I composed/sung any of these three songs, especially pudikkala maamu for its crazy arrangements and twists & turns!
Going by 'oLiyilE therivadhu dEvadhaiyA' date, andhappaiyan at least 10 varushamA field'la irukkAru :-)
So, he's not all that newbie...
BTW, I told my super-boss "I can't come to work on a Sunday morning" when I was only six months old in my first job, fresh from college, and got away with it, in 1986 :-)
Yeah, early?! He has been the undisputed #1 for over 10 years now. And with hundred thousand singers around, no mean achievement. Most preferred voice for IR/ARR/Yuvan/Harris.
He dint sing the rock portions and the veedhi patthaadhEy bit (though I immensely like) longer shelf-life irukkumaa? Especially comparing the heavyweight kaattrai konjam and the mass favorite ennOdu vaa. And he cleary can't *own* it, since he dint fully sing it.
And seems like he gels well with Raja, "Ippo nee Music Director (vere) aagitta!" Karthik urimaiyOdu says "Aiyoo vENaam" :lol:
NEPV - ஒரு இன்ப அவஸ்தை...
http://irandaamshankar.blogspot.in/
response / feedback about NEPV from one of my students !:
"Hello there! - This is a feedback to the new album NEETHANE EN PONVASANTHAM by LLAIYARAAJA -
when i got to the second song the music was so pleasant to my ears i turned up the volume of my computer! I am African, and even though i did not understand the words spoken in theses songs i fell in love with the good music, and the well done melodies!! And probably like many others who are not familiar with this composer, I initially thought this was an Indian band. To my big surprise, these amazing songs came from one man, who is hiding himself from the rest of the world while he should be blessing us with his outstanding talents!
Fatma, Houston, Tx"
உலகத்தில் இப்படி ஒரு அதிசய மனிதர் இருக்கிறார்
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A beautiful song from Neethane En Pon Vasantham, a film that adopted its title from my fav movie Ninaivellam Nithya.
andha blogger ammani pEr nithya. That's why she calls it her favorite film.
I don't think she has even seen that film.
Me too thought so at first...but then saw :
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Also, look at this post :
http://nithyalavanya.blogspot.com/20...deepak-as.html
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NithyaLavanya is for LavanyaDeepak as Sneha is for Cheran
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Why was the name 'Nithya' prepended to 'Lavanya'?
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And finally the last straw that broke the camels' back and the point that made me to zero on this name was the film "Ninaivellam Nithya" by a reputed Tamil director "Sridhar".
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Kudos to Sridhar and Crew, Karthik and Gigi for the excellent presentation.
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Sometime last weekend I had an opportunity to view the film. Whilst the movie songs were melodius the progress of the movie was literally hard on heart and had a tragic end where lovers unite in an eternal sleep into a rivulet in a hillock because of crazy reasons like (1) Weird discrimination based on caste practices (2) Wild rules derived out caste policies (3) 'Status' symbol (4) 'Fake' Respect (and or securing it) by the business man who was the father of Karthik. I salute Gigi for sacrificing her feelings to secure her love and save her loved on those crucial moments. I later learnt that Gigi is one of the daughter of Late 'Gemini' Ganesan (the 'Kadhal Mannan' of Kollywood). புலிக்கு பிறந்தது பூனையாகுமா? The presentation by the products of emperors of Kollywood (Gemini and SP Muthuraman) is definitely an eternal product that would surpass the life of this planet too.
As a small credit I just thought I would create the Wiki page for Ninaivellam Nithya (because it was not existing till now) and the URL is here. Interestingly as I today made this Wiki and was planning to write this post parallely my Inbox was recieving a steady spurt of allegations against 'Nithya Lavanya'
So much so that the blogger created the wikipedia page for the NN movie.
The :lol: part is " புலிக்கு பிறந்தது பூனையாகுமா?" ...nalla vELai Gemini G is not reading this blog.
Maybe she acts well (I have not seen the movie, just saw the clips posted here) but there have been much more good looking actresses in tamil movies and I do not consider Gemini Ganesan as a handsome guy as well. I will never understand my fellow countrymen's taste :-)
Kiru sir,
ஜெமினியை நமக்கு (அதாவது ஆம்பளைகளுக்குப்) புடிக்குதா இல்லையா என்பது முக்கியமே இல்ல...பெண்களுக்கு அவர் காதல் மன்னன் ஆயாச்சு, ஜெயிச்சாச்சு :-)
ஆனா அவரோட இந்தப்பொண்ணை ஒரே படத்தோட தொரத்திட்டாங்க...தமிழ் சினிமா தப்பிச்சது!
இருந்தாலும், அந்த ஒரே படத்துல 'பனி விழும் மலர்வனம்', 'நீதானே எந்தன் பொன்வசந்தம்', 'ரோஜாவைத் தாலாட்டும் தென்றல்' மாதிரி அல்ட்ரா ஸ்பெஷல் பாட்டெல்லாம் கண்ணை மூடிக்கிட்டு பாக்குற அளவுக்கு சாதனை பண்ணிட்டாங்க.
BTW, என்னுடைய கருத்துப்படி (பானு)ரேகா, அதாவது ஜீஜீயோட அக்கா / பச்சன் காதலி, பூனைக்குப்பிறந்த புலி :-)
கவுதமர் புண்ணியத்துல சில பல ப்ளாக்கர்கள் டாக்டரம்மாவை மறுபடி நினைக்கிறாங்க
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Even a regular cine fan, may not instantly recognize the name of , Dr Jaya Sridhar Rajan, and the fact that she was the heroine in a famous film.
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On Gemini, an old article in The Hindu :
http://www.hindu.com/mag/2005/04/03/...0300560500.htm
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Appa would switch effortlessly between impeccable English, Sanskrit and the pungent vocabulary of Tamil filmdom. He dashed off syrupy English poems with a gusto that made me giggle with embarrassment; yet he had a refined sense of humour that, regretfully, was never exploited by his directors. He loved my mother and quite a few "others" and yet expected us all to love each other too!
p.s. The above hindu article was by one Dr Jaya Sreedhar :wink:
ha ha .. you are right :-) Looks like I will rather read GG's writing and watch her sister on screen (classic beauty) . I attribute it to the mother like I do for my own kids :-)
GG covers for her dad very well .. "bordering on the bohemian" .. nicely put lady !!
I used to have this lady friend who supposedly was sharing my love for 70s/80s IR songs. Her name is Vasantha, and goddamit, most of the songs that she really likes has "Vasantha" or "Vasantham" in it. WTF!!!! Anyway, I cut off the friendship for this and other reasons. Good riddance.
groucho,
LOL.
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I have started the 90s Raja writeups. So please go there as well :)
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I felt like something is missing in the final version of "Saindhu Saindhu" tune after I heard Raja's composing this song with harmonium. While Yuvan is a factor, today I went back and listened to Harmonium version again, and realized that lyrics could have been better.
The basic bhava in the original notes may not be fully expressed in the lyrics. In other words, the drama & story in the notes is missing in the lyrics.
So I took some liberty to experiment with the beginning lyrics. I cannot even write Tamil properly so me writing lyrics is a joke. The idea is to just explore some of the nuances in Raja's composition. Please bare with the quality of lyrics.
Parsing Pallavi
1. There's bit of surprise and disbelieve (of love) in the original tune.
2. Musical notes pose some sort of the questions.
3. Notes climax but doesn't completely resolve the original surprise, disbelieve and love.
I tried to follow this structure.
1. Establish the mood & situation.
2. Raise question, intensify question.
3. Give some reasonable conclusion to questions.
Here's a version, inspired by original lyrics.
Saindhu saindhu nee paarkumbothu.... aada ada...hey..hey.
Vazhaintha imaikal enn manathai vaattaa.... kannee...hey..hey.
Muzhumaiyai inaiyavaa?
Iruvarum Oruvaraa?
Innimel........
Ellam Sorgamaaa?
One more version.
Iravenin Mayakama?
Aasaiyai Anaikavaa?
Sonthame......
Vaa thaa Muthame.
What do you guys think?
Original tune. (0:00 to 0:30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiKwoqlosYo
Senthil, I don't intend to burst the bubble but to be honest, your lyrics somehow doesn't seem to go with the flow of the tune. Your intent is interesting for sure, but lighta vaarthai muttudhu! My thamizh skill's pretty much zilch, but the edhugai mOnai doesn't 'fit' right, me thinks. Guys like Suresh65/P_R/Jai would probably assess it better.