Devapriya,
I don't understand what is the relavance of the above article posted by you with the topic here :roll:
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Devapriya,
I don't understand what is the relavance of the above article posted by you with the topic here :roll:
Periyar-ai pathi thappa pesinaal, athu kevalam.. periyar is a greattttttttttttttttttt man.....
now i am going to prepare an anti-brahmin article and post it here...
moderators, please be ready..
Going through the sequence of posts, I get a feeling like Mr. Joe is a staunch EVR supporter . He will go all out in support of his extinct , defunct theories & may even ban other hubbers if they talk something about EVR. Sad.
Let me also support EVR now.
EVR is a great human being. Unbiased man. :D
Periyar is a God-send. He could even be an incarnation of Vishnu. lol. Just kidding.
Looks like he is still a force to reckon in TN. Lot of supporters for him. But how are some politicians able to garland him and yet at the same time make anti-ramsethu project rhetoric ? All along I thought Periyar=anti-god.
Can someone give the hard statistics and "prove" Periyar's influence in the State's growth was positive ? Like before/after scenerio comparisons ? Like comparing TN ranks with other states ? Like a Objective analysis or something ?
I dont know what sort of responses came for this peice of trash, but to say that Dravida Iyakkam has been damaging to the cause of literature is absolutely ludicrous. On the contrary, the dravidian and tamilian ideologies were at the helm of Tamil literature renaissance throughout the 20th century.Quote:
தமிழ் இலக்கியப் போக்கை ஆய்வு செய்த அவர், ‘திராவிட இயக்கங்களால் இலக்கியத்துக்கு பாதகமே தவிர, ஆக்கபூர்வமான விளைவு இல்லை’ என்ற பொருள்பட எழுதியிருந்தார். தமிழ் நாட்டில் ஜாதி பற்றிய ஆவேசப் பேச்சுக்கள், மனிதாபிமானத்தின் காரணத்தால் விளைவதல்ல. தான் தேடும் வேறு சுய ஆதாயங்களை மறைக்கப் பயன் படும் பாதுகாப்புக் கவசம்தான் ஜாதி எதிர்ப்பு ஆவேசப் பேச்சுக்கள். இதுவரை திராவிட கலாசார 60 வருட கால இயக்கம், ஒரு இலக்கியப் படைப்பைக் கூட, கலை வெளிப்பாட்டைக்கூட தர இயலாது போனது, அதன் பொய்மைக்கு நிரூபணம்.... எதிர்ப்புச் சக்தியாக இருக்கவேண்டிய அறிவார்ந்த சிறுபான்மை இலக்கியச் சூழல், பெரும்பான்மை அரசியல் சூழலில் தன்னை ஐக்கியப்படுத்திக்கொண்டுவிடbr />?ட அவலத்தை இன்று காண்கிறோம்" என்று பட்டவர்த்தனமாக அவர் எழுதியது, பலரை ஆவேசப்படுத்திவிட்டது.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but when one passes his opinion as a fact, it deserves the scrutiny and the corresponding critism. No two ways about that. When someone passes hypocritical statements under the cover of expert opinion, should it still be respected? :huh:
Such before and after comparisons may not be easy for the lack of data, but the outcome is there for everyone to see. The way TN and Kerala are advanced both in literary rate and HDI (Human development Index) both above national standards. Compare the security situation for minoritis in states like Gujarat and Maharashtra, or with the Dalit situation in Bihar. Saffron brigade doesnt have the guts here to instruct what you can do and what you cannot, hijacking the society in the name of moral policing. Enaku innum neraya vaartha varudhu, but surukkama sollanumna, inaikku thamizh naatula oru sarasari kudimagan, suyamariyadhayudanum, thanichayagavum vaazhradhuku miga periya karanam, indha iyakkangal thaan. Idhu marukka mudiyadha unmai :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pizzalot
Deva Priya , maybe Vasanthi was correct. Dravidian movements did not achieve great literary achievements. But you see, it popularised the existing volumes of literature to reach the mass. It made even a common man take pride of the volumes of litereature already written. That is why you see Thiruvalluvar being the only Poet to have a 133 feet statue and no other in the world. TN's print reaches more number of people than print from any other state. We can say that the common man participates and takes pride of the literature created. Another area is the TFM. What Vasanthi tells in a year in her novels can be effectively portrayed in less than 3 hours through Audio Visual Media. So that is where Kazhagams concentrated. Today compare TFM with that of anyother in India and you will know the impact of Dravidian movement.
I partly agree with you. But it would be wrong to completely dismiss that there were no great literary outcome out of Dravidian movements. If it is so, can you quote any other movement in the neo era that contributed to tamil literature? The blatant truth is that dravidian movement has been the major driving force behind modern tamil literature. And to speak of greatness is totally trivial. Often antiquity is confused with greatness. There are some not so great literary works that have been celebrated in the past just for their antiquity and there are some really good works in the modern era lost amidst mediocrity. It must be considered that it is very difficult for a modern literary work to be named as a classic. Take for instance, the most productive modern language English. Is there any modern work in English to be ranked alongside shakespeare, keats or milton's works? Does that mean that English literature is not productive in modern era? Absolutely wrong! It has been one among the most prolific languages in the modern era. Likewise, if Tamil language is still productive in modern era, comparable to other modern languages, the credit has to mainly go to Dravidian movement for sustaining the impetus for so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by pizzalot
If I am not wrong, it was Bharathidasan who reckoned that there should be modern epics to match to the past splendour of Tamil literature, and he went ahead and did his bit in contributing some classics like Pandiyan Parisu, Kudumba Vilakku etc., And following his footsteps there is a lineage of pAvendhar parambharai kavignargal like Vaanidasan, Suradha and a multitude of other poets who continued to contribute to Tamil literature. Maybe in the past decade or so, other facets of modern tamil literature is emerging from background, but still it would be ungrateful to forget Dravidian movement's contribution in sustaining Tamil literature during the majority of the last century.
I was just wondering why inspite of the Dravidian Movement and Tamil Patriotism and readership we were not able to win as many Gnanapeet awards as Kannada won. On Kannada camp that is what is being boasted as accomplishments.Quote:
Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Awards in India have become a joke nowadays. One of the greatest actors of India in our times, Nadigar Thilakam Sivaji Ganesan did not get a national award for his leading roles !!
It was indeed a misfortune to know that Mr. Nehru pleaded ignorance of the actor when President Nasser of Egypt enquired dearly about him after seeing his stellar performance in “Veerapandia Kattabomman” in the Cairo Film Festival. Nehru did make amends when he made Sivaji the main host when Nasser visited India subsequently!
so there is nothing to boast about awards given in India.
Well put. I see a similar analogy of regarding the intensity of ideology and literary merit in the Dravidian movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Heck, I vaguely remember reading a book that dismissed Bharathi's literary stature. Critiqued the lack of basic knowledge of grammar of Tamil poetry, unoriginal metaphors, inappropriate analogies and inconsistent expression. All this while acknowledging that he is an important Tamil thinker in the 20th century.
With my feeble skills of literary evaluation I find the critique harsh. But I was impressed by the separation of literary merit from the intensity of opinion. I am curious to know if many Dravidian litterateurs would pass muster.
Here I would also like to admit my considerable underexposure to the Dravidian literary giants. But I have made some attempts to prod through Anna's novels, Bharathidasan's Pandiyan Parisu, some poems of Suratha etc. I was quite underwhelmed.
I was particularly disappointed with Anna's writings - which I landed after reading a few of his impressive parliamentary speeches. I was only led to the conclusion that story-writing was not his line. Which is fine. But what concerns me is the laudatory statements made about his literary contributions. I try and subtract some measure of fulsome praise -which has come to become our cultural signature. Even after that I am still believe he is genuinely thought of as an important literary contributor to the movement. That leads to me view with suspcion the literary merits of a body of work, which - as I mentioned earlier - I am significantly underexposed to.
Which is why I want to know if I am missing something, as you make a strong statement like:Quote:
Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Your views on Anna and other's writing is in line with mine. But we cannot blame them either. They are supposed to impress the mass audience who devotes his time sparingly on reading books and so on. So their emphasis was on selling and numbers perhaps. Another thing is they were building a legacy from scratch. Remember unlike Begalis they did not go the Western route. Also unlike Kannads they did not go the Sanskrit route. Total volume wise their contribution far surpassed contribution in anyother language. In anycase the Dravidian (read Tamil or Southern)contribution to literature was original, unadulterated.
Coming back to Periyar .. I heard Rajaji descibed him as 64th Azhwar. Definitely he knew Periyar more than anyone (may be even more than Maniammai did). But again, why should he need to compare Periyar with only Azhwars. Why not with others ? Why not with Sankara ? Can we continue the discussion on that lines also ? My knowledge of the Azhwars is very less. Do Azhwars have the nature of revolting against the society they lived and infuse into it a new revolutionary ideas devoiding it of evils in their times ? If Rajaji's analysis and analogy was correct, it will be a lesson for both believers and non-believers.
The lesson the believer will have to learn is that Periyar did no different than what the Azhwars did during their times.
The lesson the non-believer will be learning is that religion is nothing but collection of teachings of people like Periyar (like Azhwars).
A small dig. Pizzalot. did Rajaji really said 64th Azhvaar. As far as I know there were only 12 azhwaars and 63 Naayanmaars.Quote:
Originally Posted by pizzalot
So much for the memory of what I heard. Please correct it as Nayanmaars instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by sivank
Interesting and relevant info from today's TOI ..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/M...ow/3010490.cms
Can we read between lines ?