Overall a good album. No jarry sounds anywhere. All the sounds merge into the song very well. The tune and the orchestration goes hand in hand. Provided this movie has a good promotion, the songs will surely be a hit.
Overall a good album. No jarry sounds anywhere. All the sounds merge into the song very well. The tune and the orchestration goes hand in hand. Provided this movie has a good promotion, the songs will surely be a hit.
I think except for a few people, most of us want something that is 'appealing' rather than 'realistic' . That way , if the set reflects the theme of the movie , it should be ok -
This could be the first movie after 2000, that is written by Kalignar and could be a hit - My wife, who hates prasanth , saw the trailer and was urging me to book tickets - if they market well , the opening can be gud !
Though I neglected "Annamar Kadhai" at first Iam sure this is another beauty in this album,in which he traverses through different genres -Western/Folk/carnatic ,without compromising on his trademark orchestration.More intersested to watch th video clipping here to understand the situation for which he had to compose this song..
After 5-6 times of listening I have to change views on each and every song and rankings just keep changing :)
My thoughts are the same. The song doesnt work because:
1. Tune - any other composer today would have come up with a tune like this. Nothing great at all.
2. Arrangements are disappointingly synth laden. didnt please me much.
I somehow cannot associate Ilaiyaraaja with this song.
Will post my thoughts on other songs in a while.
I like PS Album very much. The entire Album is in loop except Kodi Kottti (this Song is not bad though compared Ayyan songs).
* I think Annanmaar needs special mention for the lyrics too. IR has come out as Lyricist and struck again.
* Shreya's rendering in Bhavani Varugira (especially the Edukka Edukka words) and Thedi Vandha Devadhaiyae songs are too good.
I remember someone updated the forum that Shreya was praising about few songs that he sang for IR. I think it is PS Album songs.
May be someone should ask IR that why did he opt for modern music with modern instruments than traditional one for this movie. Though we feel that it is not matching period film songs, we should hear from IR. Even I felt somewhat similar in Uliyin Osai too. Except Pazhaassi Raja rest all movie's songs not resembles period movies.
Any idea where can I buy ASK and PS album in Bangalore?
Pazhassi raja was a period film, but it was much closer . The music also reflected the genre and the period of the film. Even odanthanil , which slightly swayed , was still acceptable.
Uyilin oosai was a mix mag- the romantic numbers were synth filled and teh carnatic songs , by virtue of being carnatic fitted the genre and apt for the period.
Ask IR : WHo can ? he will have an philosphical answer .In some cases, our own knowledge and bias comes in the way. If somebody has to score the music exactly as how compositions were rendered 1000 years ago, it is impossible . There was a similar discussion about using synth in Ramaranalum of heyram - but the discussion was still open !
( Shreya praised a song , sung with chithra ( not thethillalangadi one ) . WOndering for which film !)
I was trying to relate that first song - "Kodi kotti koduthalum", with one recently heard song...I ended up with "Ella pughazum" from Azhagiya Tamil magan.Probably the rythms and the way the song started, gave me that "Deja Vu" feeling.
This song is indeed refreshing for me..
Listening to "thEdi vandha" in loop. For Shreya it is a piece of cake, I guess. So it is Ganjawala who takes the prize for his ganjaa filled singing. The rhythm section sways and swoons with the melody ...
And don't forget that both singers have a near flawless pronunciation. Very good job.
itwofs review
http://itwofs.com/milliblog/2011/04/...mil-ilayaraja/
waiting for the other umpire suresh !
All questions have been answered with this album - A very diverse album by Raaja sir.
My order of preference:
1. Annanmar Kathai / Bavani Varugiraa
2. Thedi Vantha Devadhai
3. Kodi Kotti Koduthalum / Kannai Padithen
4. Malar Villilae
I cant get "thedi vandha" out of my mind. Very enticing and seducing kinda song.
Malar ville - everyone says over orchestrated - but I feel is the awesomest song of its genre till date. The shape shifting done here is unbelievable.
Generic melody beginning with the chorus, ends in a thumping carnatic note - Awesome...
I think the PS team have tried to do a "300" type of period recreation instead of going authentic - very visible in the scenes in the trailer. Yet, synth konjam korachirukkalaam.. (not that it is bad or anything.. same goes for some loop usage..)
after a sombre 2010, 2011 has been very brisk and very varied..
Ayyan had two outstanding melodies which we have come to take for granted in every Raaja album.
Azhagar saamiyin kudhirai is a Dhoni sixer - all deliveries out of the park - but one felt it was more of 20-20.
So Ponnar Sankar is a proper one day and it is pretty electric - a very healthy strike rate here..
now whats up next ???
jaiganes, apt metaphor !
I strongly feel , after repeated hearings that KR definetly has done some of the orchestration in few songs .Of course, we can never verify this ...
Ponnar Shankar - sumaara oru alavukku romba nallave irrukku.
Annamar kadhai, Bhavani varugira, Malar villilae - heady mix of styles, tunes and instruments. Nativity/authenticity and all, for this movie, I'd want to leave it to bhairavan, at one corner of the leaf. Just for these 3 songs, despite rough, uncut edges, I'd buy PS over the simplistic ASK.
Kannai pidithen, Thedi vandha - agmark love-it-loathe-it modern IR.
Kodi kotti - ostrich head in the sand dhaan. Raaja's kosuru for election campaign eh?
(It took a while to put behind that prankster's song list and accept this. Thumburu, I'm guessing you'd skip the album on the whole and listen just to the last minute of veena+flute piece finishing off Malar villilae!)
IMHO, the album is different. Not sure how most of the songs fit the 'period' film. I don't get that 'old' feel which one normally would expect.
Bavani Varugiraa - What is this man doing in this song! He has freaked out in this song and it seems asking indirectly "Yaaru Kitta". Normally for a folk tune, he used to give layers of western classical orchestration. Here I cannot believe what I am hearing. The tune is itself a blend of folk and WCM. Shreya's voice sounds like honey! The choir works as a backbone of this song. Apart from this surprise, there is no regular structure in this song, which is again unusual of IR (eventhough he has done sometimes depending on the situation of the song).
Starts with high energy pambai, drums. WCM style in pallavi (just like magalir mattum title) and just observe the scale change @1:38, goosebumps :notworthy: Suddenly after first pallavi, the songs takes you somewhere else. Again Shreya sings a different pallavi. Then what is it called I just listened a minute ago?. Shenai and the folk/WCM choir in the first interludes, heavenly. With the charanams, the song gets better and better. That post-lude again is the continuation from adiye ivale (saavadi!). Again the big plus of this song is we get to hear additional 2 minutes (compared to normal 5 min. song). This song is the best so far for me. Killer one! Definitely as RS said, this is a challenge song!
Malar Villilae - Haunting prelude chorus and very grand orchestration! Very fast and powerful tune! Shreya at her best! Chorus is overwhelming! Vintage 80's raja. The way chorus peaks and finishes and when Shreya starts 'Malar Villile' Wow stunning! I could not spot that 80's song which reminds me when I hear this song. Is it 'Adi Penne'? No, I don't think so. That bonus post-lude of 1 minute, Pinnitaar raasayya! Again a challenge song.
Kannai Padithen - What a tune! This is the depth we long for in today's generation songs. Raja vintage melody! nothing more to say, it will stay so long. Except the percussion rhythm is more louder for this kind of melody! Again Shreya and Sriram rendered beautifully. One more Andala Lokam! Again one minute bonus song!
Thedi Vantha Devadhai - Very different and refreshing tune. Shreya#4. When Shreya sings "kattikitten", ottikitten, "vekkapatten", "kathukkitten" with her diction, one will fall for her singing! Kunal and Shreya with their husky voices brings that erotic mood beautifully. Why is that humming @3:05? Unusal again (is that IR competing with current trend, please don't sir)
Annanmar - IR's at home. Madhu's singing is brilliant. Excellent mix of oratorio sytle and folk genre, only IR fossible! Prelude is energetic just like adiye ivale interludes. I didn't like the synthesized claps, violins and udukkai. Otherwise excellent!
Kodi Kotti Koduthalum - The violin arrangements in prelude and in pallavi reminds me of 'rakkamma kaiyathattu', but the latter one is special because of real instruments (is this one real or synthesized?). Orchestration is Excellent, but tune-wise the flow is there, but depth could have been better. But where is Chinmayee?
Those questions about period and how these songs match up with those, only Raja and Thiyagarajan can answer. Definitely, it would have been better if this has been taken into consideration. Also about the lyrics and the language spoken at that time. May be we are asking for too much here. Atleast song lyrics could be like Malar Villilae, sounds better.
Overall amazing and very grand soundtrack :thumbsup:, except synth going little overboard (first time I am experiencing!). I can listen to four songs anytime, anyday! But if you ask me a difficult question, if I give you either this or ASK, which one do you prefer? Eventhough, ASK has only three songs, I would go for ASK for its nativity, down to earth and innocent nature. :notworthy:
Thanks Ajay for the PS link!
Ponnar Shankar availale on iTunes - http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/pon...ar/id430617680. Looks like it just got released.
I couldn't find ASK on iTunes though.
After the blissful veenai on mridangams in the 2nd interlude of malar villilE, you could hear the rhythm player using a synth pad which he stole from Airtel super singer. Thats how horrible it sounds. That sums up this album for me. There is not a single song minus these (albeit minor in some) irritations. I would take ASK any day over this Ponnar Synth Shankar. Waiting to hear them in better quality, may be then the songs will sound better.
Thedi Vantha dhevadhaiyE in loop. The 'modern' IR freaking out. I don't like Kunal's voice in this. Its an SPB song. ShreyaG is amazing like she always has been.
awesome album!
the tunes stuck in my mind the first time I heard these melodies!
I hope the movie becomes a hit too.
Thanks for the link.
Average songs :(
Good balanced review V_S..
I wrote this in the "latest raaja song thread" as a response to raj_musing. I thought it fits well into this discussion as well...
we are so nostalgic when it comes to Raaja and he has the most difficult job of having to pander to us and the current generation music listeners and balance the needs of both. Having said that , I like the synth work he has put in for ASK. It is trendy and in line with what yuvan or GVP might have done (little edges remain). However the soul of the song remains in the tune and that still is the same ol 70s- 80s raja that we remain rooted to in our nostalgia. With PS - the album requirements speak of grandeur - (however no money for Budapest here) - so he goes for the mix which is good too. The fact remains that the "idea" in the interludes are mindblowing - the counterpoints, the bass lines, the multi layered rhythms, the beat structure and tune that races to a climax in the end of malar villile are all awesome stuff which Raja has given us in bountiful quantities in the 80s and 90s. Glad to know that "ayya voodu" is still wide open..
Exactly, well said Jai! ASK is extremely satisfying with Maestro utilizing synth more amicably and it sounded so beautiful. Here I didn't feel so, as I mentioned in couple of songs I was little scary on its (synth) approach. It was rather loud too. Also that humming in Thedi vantha was not necessary. If you take out those, the soul of the song is never compromised that is default for any raja's song. My worry is, he should not knuckle under to keep it with the current trend. Raja should be doing what he is doing, just like that evergreen second interlude of Gum Sum Gum of Paa, refreshing Edaya Bagilu or even that magical sax in second interlude in Chinna Polike.
I remember about MSV sir now, not doing anything different except in Ninaithale Inikkum, where he made people turn around him. But if you hear some of his later year gems, Thirumaalin Thirumaarbil, Andamanai Paarungal, or Kana Kaanum Kangal, I used to argue with my father that they were very dull compared to Raja's songs that time (early 80's). But looking back now, those songs stood the test of time. So ultimately for me, the longevity matters rather than attracting the current generation for few impulses.
Listening to Kannai padithen - the first interlude - flute play - is wonderful - but to be frank - it resembles the work of Joshua Sridhar in "Kalloori" - who is learning and following who?
Did anyone else get the resemblance?
Kodi Kotti Koduthalum has the nineties feel written all over it and the instrumentation supports this. It starts off as a song at a concert where the artists are getting the crowd to join in with the fun. When those Bhangra beats drop in the concluding lude the song reaches an all time high. The song is a complete misfit in this album like this but that’s what makes it stand out for me. The synth backing the charanam is a very video gamey like sound and has a very pleasing childlike innocence. However it’s the orchestration that delivers that nineties funch with full throttle.
Two ears are not enough for Malar Villilae. Would like to listen to this for the whole day. What is the raaga of this song? Is it Sudha Saveri?. Vel, Raagas, Suresh or anyone? The Pallavi and the second interlude loosely takes me to Malargalil Aadum (Kalyana raman) and Maanaada Kodi (Mudhal Vasantham). This is just a wild guess from a layman.
ponnar shankar releasing today !
HI,
Can some one throw me light on where I can get teh songs? itunes is restricted only to people live in US. (US store) not available in Middle east store or Indian Store.
There is grandeur in music for sure and may be the rapport between thiyagarajan and Raja shows and for your information movie is releasing tomorrow and looks like a wide release in bangalore (no multiplexes though).
Review of ASK in itwofs
http://itwofs.com/milliblog/2011/03/...il-ilayaraja/#