True, i.e. for you and me (and the like minded ones). However, for those who want some adi-dhadi out of anything coming out of his mouth, this is quite juicy. If you follow the media, this didn't happen on the same day or next day of his speech. People did some "room booking" , before coming out with all kinds of ladAi out of this :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by chash
There's no trouble even then :-) AnthikkAd is of Lal camp :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
He has been there - seen that (MR / KB / AVM etc). Once more, that's all :-)
app, ofcourse I mentioned anthikkad earlier also as someone who is unlikely to ditch IR for non-professional reasons.
What I meant is Mammookka is heavily influential with AMMA, and that sure means something ;-)
S.Shiva Kumar in today's Bangalore edition of The Hindu has written a glowing review of Ilaiyaraaja's music of Suryakanthi. Unable to find the link.....
Bala,
I had given the link earlier in this thread. Here it is once again:
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2009/11/27/s...2750780200.htm
FANTASTIC! :musicsmile:
Chaitanya and Chetan - IMPRESSIVE DUO :redjump:
VINATHA.
And that is not END OF THE WORLD for raaja... :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
I am not sure how popular and good ONV Kurup is in Malluwood, but I would guess he should be good enough to get a chance to write lyrics in a big movie like PA. Such a good poet not able to write to multiple IR tunes...?!! I guess there was a little game played by Director and Lyricist to extract a tune from IR for the pre-written, already decided on lyrics. The tune is good, though not the best of IR. (No doubt, the lyrics and KJ's rendition make this song very special, not tune. It is also good to listen good lyrics in IR's tune after looooong time)
IR should have not talked about this in public. It is going to damage his Malluwood chances to large extend in the near future. As app_engine mentioned, he had been there, done that. No surprise.
You guys make Ilaiyaraaja sound like some upcoming music composer against the giant of malayalam cinema which is ONV Kurup. Have you guys sort of forgotten how BIG thalaivar is in the music industry?
1) The first Asian to score a SYMPHONY
2) One of the very few indian composers who has worldwide recognition(University of Iowa uses his HTNI as a case study for their music course)
3) Commands respect everywhere he goes whether its India or Hungary
You guys decide who is at a loss, the malluwood industry or thalaivar.
ONV is highly regarded & is a poet, not a person in the league of "Film Lyricists".
I had seen one of the first promo programme on Malayala Manorama Channel when the film released. I had mentioned in one of the earlier posts at that time that ONV mentioned in this interview that Kunnathe was written to tune and Aadhi was tuned to lyrics.
If I can recollect the interview, while he explained the significance of each of the lines in Kunnathe, he said that "popular to contrary beleif that I have written the songs to pretuned lyrics, Aadhi is actually tuned to lyrics, adding that there are some songs that you cannot write to a tune. The situation of Aadhi Ushas is not something that you can write to a tune, with the historical significance, many things have to be conveyed in the lyrics. Kunnathe is a love situation,where you can write to a tune, for which I have written to a very beutiful tune". He also mentioned about why the lines "kunnathe konnaikkum pon mothiram" for a few minutes, but the explantion itself was high brow stuff!
From the entire episode, the situation is to be blamed - the fact that the lyricist & the musician were never once in a face to face sitting in such a high profile situation/song that has taken months to conceive.
The major culprit is the media. After watching the youtube video, it's really saddening that mdeia carried the report totally out of context, almost making IR a villain. Sify headline like IR humiliates ONV ... was too much. These have been picked up by local vernacular newspapers.
Still, considering the language card that normally is hugely exploited in India (MNS-marathi Being latest example), after the way the incident has been misrepresented in the media, it could have easily blown into an "Insult to language/Our poet by outsider etc.." issue. Mallu's in general have hardly reacted to this except for the Education & cultural affairs minister MA Baby (who's infamous for giving an opinion about anythong & everything), but he too has not lifted the "Insult to Language" card as may have happened elsewhere. Another reason is the huge following & regard IR himself commands among Mallu's.
Saagar,
A nice and balanced post. No one needs to doubt the talents or the legacy of either ONV or Raja. Seeing the video of Raja's speech and your post regarding ONV's interview, I will agree with you that had the lyricist and music director met, things would have been resolved and it is indeed surprising that for such a high profile movie, they didn't meet. Both of them being high caliber artists, had their own views of what the situation needed. We as listeners must be happy that such artists exist in our midst, who actually care for the film and not just for their own success. More power to them, even if it means a few more misunderstandings :)
What you say about the language card is very true as well and people in Mallu land have regularly been above this when it comes to literature and music. I remember a few years back Jeyamohan wrote an article in Malayalam which criticized almost all the current Malayalam poets and the then prevalent poetic style. I have read the Tamil translation of this article. There were huge debates in Kerala regarding this article for long years, according to Jeyamohan. Yet Jeyamohan is highly regarded even now in Kerala and holds conferences related to poetry wherein both the Tamil and Malayalam poets present their poetry and he has lot of friends in the Malayalam poetic circles. So I am not worried about Raja's case at all. I am very confident that the more musically and lyrically inclined people will see through the sensationalism of the media.
As of now, Raja is running out of customers, and that's the reality ! When some good people come to you with good offers, utilize it and be good to them....This is basic business sense!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
All your bulleted items are true but aren't of any use in an industry where your commercial value as it stands TODAY is all that matters.
You can say HTNI being used in IOWA and all those great things, but the reality is, he's slowly, and steadily going out of favor from worthy directors.
At the moment, it's Raja's loss, because guys like HH/Sathyan anthikkad/Fazil are the ones who have extracted the best out of him in recent time (I hope Fazil/Sathyan don't ditch him because of his comments)
Just a small nitpick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
The whole controversy behind it (the objections from certain sections and Raaja's subsequent silence) was that it did not conform to the grammar of symphony
I think your talking about TIS. The symphony I am talking about nobody has heard it except a select few with the exceptions of RPO, Sir John Scott and the man who did the symphony himself :lol2:. And knowing thalaivar well, he never talks back amazingly unless provoked to that extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
And Mr Genuine Fan, to you it is raja's loss, but to him it is not a loss as he is not even interested in the first place. Business has never bothered him one bit and he only eats and breathes music.
Havent you see the way he speaks that he does not even bother about films that much. In the same youtube link there is a snapshot where he says he will usually finish films in 30 minutes. That is how "interested" he is. I think the loss is more from fans like you as you guys believe he exists within a certain spectrum and his tunes only reflect at that point. I dunt think you guys ever understood his style of music in the first place. Just fans by chance thats all.
was watching Suriyakanti special show in a kannada channel, today morning. They played songs. After hearing a soothing very soft melody I wondered was it composed by a teenage / upcoming composer?
I was NOT talking about TIS, i was talking about the work which he did with RPO :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
Mr. Music-Messiah-Anointed-By-Ilaiyaraaja-himself,Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
Like De Niro says "You talkin to me?" :lol2:
Edhukku idhellam en kitta solreenga? What did i mention about any loss or whatever? What are you blabbering about? What is the topic of discussion? Are you talking about the RPO work or what? And this is in reply to what exactly?
FYI, i didn't even see the youtube speech which is the subject of the whole controversy and i clearly said i don't want to talk about it here. I expressed neither negative nor positive reaction on the whole thing. No comments.
Do you have any more lectures for lesser mortals like us for today or are you done? :lol2:
[P.S: Next time you launch another of those lectures of yours please speak a bit louder. You are not very audible from deep within the well where you are. Thanks]
And Mr-well-frog-Hulk-who-doesnt-act-his-age,
It would be a good idea to start knowing the subject you are lecturing on, be it music, acting/films or football. Thanks :notworthy:
The latter part was for Mr Shankar not for you(starting from genuine fan as he calls himself genuine fan) and his quotes regarding thalaivar being at a loss due to all these "chances" lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
The earlier part(which was to you), to clarify again it is a symphony. An article not posted not long ago, spoke of a fan's conversation with Sir John Scott where he said the reason due to thalaivar not releasing the symphony was due to him being hurt by a critic's comment(who that critic was GOD only knows). He tried to speak thalaivar into releasing it but it seems he would not budge. It is a symphony but because he has not released it, people are making up stories about it as they usually do without even knowing what it is like.
Once again thalaivar's kannada albums takes AGES to reach the shelves. Cant they just use helicopter or aeroplane to transport all the CDs if the Bangalore traffic is that bad. :rotfl2:
Suryakaanti Soundtrack Listing
1. Swalpa Soundu - Anitha,Roshni,ilaiyaraaja
2. Chan Channare - Shreya Goshal
3. Edeya Baagilu - Kunal Ganjawala, Shreya Goshal
4. Mouni Naanu - Karthik
5. Jaikara Haakoona - Tippu, Roshni
6. Mouni Naanu(Pathos) - Karthik
Swalpa Soundu is stunning, another pathbreaking song by thalaivar with thalaivar singing in a very weird and funny voice to match the situation. Pesarathukku Vaartheiyey ellei, top of the must-listen-to-believe songs list. :notworthy:
Thalaivar ungalai padaikkum bothu over talent koduthaaru kadavul. Ennama paadupaduthurey nammai nee :notworthy:
Chan Channare is a playful melody with genre-crossing interludes. Not as stunning as the above one but thalaivar has really orchestrated the song to a level where we fans are astounded. Saxophone pops in here and then and yes thalaivi Shreya sounds excellent. :clap:
Edeya Baagilu is the 60s broadway musical song that everyone has been raving about. But knowing thalaivar he does not really stick to the whole format, in fact the interludes mixes that style with a more jazzy, "beach" - like feel.
Super maa, thalaivar ennamo seinchirukaaru, pirichi meiyum bothu thalai vazhikkethu. :frightened:
Mouni Naanu has amazing piano usage in the prelude and the second interlude. A very soulful song and with more synth stepping in. I am not sure what raaga it is based on but it has a tinge of familiar numbers. But the orchestration is enough to rid us of all these thinking.
Jaikara Haakkoona is a pacey folkish number that brings back all the nostalgia. Charanams are like that of Bagyada Balegara title song with the style changing midway from a rustic rhythm to a westernised rhythm and then mixing them just before it starts all over again.
The Mouni Naanu Pathos version is a very short version of the original song, but with a more sombre mood as it suggests with Karthik and the synth background bringing it live.
Amazing album, yelaarum roundu katti vanthu keilunga. :victory:
The link to hear the samples
http://sevenmountain.blogspot.com/20...thi-songs.html
You guys can listen to it temporarily until the album comes. :D
Suryakanthi - Amazing album - IR in complete form.
Two listenings done. Too good - More than what I had expected.What a year it has been! Hope the run continues!
Marupadiyum chaaru vedhaalam....
நான் ஜோக்கரா இல்லையா என்பதை காலம் தீர்மானிக்கட்டும். பா என்ற இந்திப் படத்துக்கு உன் இளையராஜா எப்படி பாட்டுப் போட்டிருக்கிறார் என்பதை தயவு செய்து இசை தெரிந்தவர்களிடம் கேட்டுப் பார். வட இந்திய சினிமாவில் இப்படி ஒரு நகைச்சுவையைக் கேள்வி கூடப் பட்டது கிடையாது என்று சிரிக்கிறார்கள். இளையராஜாவை பா படத்தின் காரணமாக அங்கே எல்லோரும் ஜோக்கராகவே பார்க்கிறார்கள். இல்லை என்று யாராவது நிரூபித்தால் நான் எழுதுவதையே நிறுத்திக் கொள்கிறேன்
What's the exact number of films IR has composed? Somewhere he himself says (probably PR audio release) - ...about 850 films, Raajangham site itself gives a list of 1020 films...that's without films after year 2000.
My first pass through 'Suryakanthi' now. Quite different orchestration. It keeps up with the jazzy arrangements that Raja has been doing regularly in recent times. The Shreya / Kunal song is very well done. The recording quality is very good as well. Will post a detailed review after listening to this a couple of times.
Saagar,
The list may probably include dubbed films as well.
Wondering paa's songs are that bad? It beats me... may be its having a inherent south indian flavor to them but are they simply laughable?... anybody north indian following hub postings? can clarify this....
eagle,
vidunga. arasiyalla idellam sagajamappa endru vitu vidavendiyathu dhan.
eagle,
First, I think we should not take Charu seriously. He is no music connoisseur. There are enough in this forum and in other forums who have written about Paa's music. So giving Charu any benefit of doubt is useless. Unless he actually proves that he knows music.
Second, 'Paa' was listed in the top selling albums according to one link posted here earlier. It plays often in the radio and is the caller tune of many. It has received lot of positive reviews in many sites, links to which were provided here.
So my request to you. Don't get upset if Charu talks bad about Raja or his music.
Its true that he attacks raaja at any given opportunity.. but this one is really too much... when we think paa is showcasing his composing prowess to north indian audience...is there any truth in what he says?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
None whatsoever eagle. We should not even give him the dignity of reply to such stupid accusations. The sales of the CD have been good and the music has really caught up. More than anything else, we need to believe our own ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
And if you observe carefully he makes unsubstantiated claims about the music and wants _you_ to prove him wrong :lol:
Intha kosu patri engey news poduruthey oru periya prachanai. Anaalum thalaivarakku appo appo dishti kalikkanum so this is acceptable :lol2:
Suryakanthi songs are mesmerizing, but Swalpa Soundu is just beyond comparison. Yengirinthu intha songai compose penaar. :notworthy: