That was not IR's wish, Bharthi raja arranged for that function. Neverthless i am not searching for an excuse of IR's absent here.But i wish/expect him to participate and should talk bit more than usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
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That was not IR's wish, Bharthi raja arranged for that function. Neverthless i am not searching for an excuse of IR's absent here.But i wish/expect him to participate and should talk bit more than usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Exactly !! If he participates he will echo these words or along the same line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Do you think Raaja likes his scores or his way of music making? ithu eppadi irukuunnA ethO oorukkAga seira mAthiri irukku. Why would we expect a classically inclined music composer should come on stage and appreciate Britney spears? I don't understand. intha kooththu ellAm namma nAttula thAn nadakkum. I don't have problems if Yuvan/HJ attends, but Raaja... I will never accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
Raaja should not have accepted BR's request to have all those MDs for his thiruvAsagam release function also. It should've been released just like any other album, why he approved BR's request and had all those people? I didn't understand and I was mad at that time also.
Judge,
Seriously, yen ungalukku Rahman melayum avar isai meedhum ithana kovam? I'm really curious to know...
The globe is becoming one big village now. Talents here will work with other parts of the world will be a norm in a few years down the line. It is not a big deal. Nobody needs to learn from anybody. It is bound to happen soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by thumburu
ethO Madras-ngra vArththaikku Mozart-nnu porunthippOga kadaisila ellOrum solla ArambichchAchu. Webberkku thAn paNam paNNa vEndiya kattAyam, ethO sonnAr....nAmalumA?..
MrJudge,Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJudge
firstly, i dont understand tamil, so i might miss some point which you wrote in tamil.
coming to other point,i agree that IR is classically inclined. But that alone is not IR's forte right. same applies to even ARR. The degrees of 'classicalism' and 'peppy-ism' vary fr both, but ultimately, they both are in same field and did many common things. I am not saying each did exactly what the other did, but if we draw a venn diagram, we will see an overlap of their circles (irrespective of quality etc). if i understood it right, you drew an analogy of classical inclined vs pop inclined. but IR too did works which are pop inclined and ARR too did works which are classical inclined (plz dont compare the degrees or levels, thats not my point). and as long as they (or any composer) are in same field/business - film music, they can compliment each other, instead of blaming each other right.
when Far more pure classically inclined composers such as Pt.Ravi Shankar, Ustad Amjad Ali Khan, Ustad Bismillah Khan etc could appreciate ARR, then we neednt completely rule out the possibility of IR appreciating ARR. I am not saying that IR SHOULD do it. I am only saying that he CAN, if at all he has such a heart. When MSV could appreciate IR back then, why cant IR do that? please think about this without looking at qualitative terms such as musical-richness, since that is relative.. i am talking merely on the lines of who is at the side of winning laurels. When IR was winning them, MSV clapped. Now if ARR is winning, reasons whatsoever, IR can also clap.and personally, i think it is fair enough if he does it, because even he is in same business and it is not as though IR did not compose 'Britney Spears' or 'Pop Corn' kind of music.
also how do we draw a line for classical-inclined?
IR is classically inclined, but not ONLY classically inclined. when his own sons give the kind music that you think IR doesnt like in ARR's style and when he can endorse that, why not this. i often wondered about this.
(opinions expressed abt IR's sons' music are purely personal, because i never liked their music that much, barring few exceptions.)
Raaagas, you cant club YSR and KR together as IR's sons doign same type of music - they are a world apart in their musical philosophies. Yuvan belongs to the Rahman school - Karthik's headmaster is IR :-)
Firstly i dont want to spoil the party, but still as you are pulling IR's leg again and again, i have to do this.Quote:
when Far more pure classically inclined composers such as Pt.Ravi Shankar, Ustad Amjad Ali Khan, Ustad Bismillah Khan etc could appreciate ARR, then we neednt completely rule out the possibility of IR appreciating ARR. I am not saying that IR SHOULD do it. I am only saying that he CAN, if at all he has such a heart. When MSV could appreciate IR back then, why cant IR do that?
First thing first, from the beginning of his career IR has been appreciating and acknowledging MSV's role in tfm history and also MSV's influence in his life, MSV has been reciprocating it. And IR went to some extend to request MSV to work along with him in an AVM production movie, after came to know that MSV was not doing good financially.
Where as ARR never revealed that he worked for IR couple of years until recently, on top of it he said that he never listened to any of IR's work. On the other hand IR never opened his mouth about ARR. But the things changed post 2000 as ARR started to appereciate IR and now IR is reciprocating it.
So, please dont assume things if you dont have history on ur side.
And also dont forget that we are talking about a man who refused to score music for legendary Director Sridhar just 'coz Sridhar ditched MSV and came to him. When this happened (1978), he was not even a well established MD.
Then Sridhar had to go back to MSV and aked him to request IR to score music for his film.
nanchil_guy ,
what arr said was that he stopped listening to illayraaja's music , to avoid his influence !
I am not pulling IR's leg. I am only expressing my thoughts abt certain things which I, personally, feel are just as valid as they rightfully should be so.Quote:
Originally Posted by nanchil_guy
It is surprising to read that ARR never revealed that he worked for IR, while i myself have seen many of his interviews, way back in 90s, in which he took the names of Ilaiyaraaja, Ramesh Naidu, L.Shankar and many others. Infact, in 1996-97 period, i was constantly reading ARR's profile as 'erstwhile keyboardist to Ilaiyaraaja'. One ARR interview (posted on a website hosted by some subramaiam) quoted him talking about IR as 'He is a legend in his own right and he is the only composer who has been consistently giving good music' (these remarks are etched in my mind, since i felt proud as IR fan). Then, I have seen one channel-V interview, a decade ago (in 1998), in which ARR quoted 'Oru Iniya Manathil' (from Johny) as his favourite iliayaraaja song. Ofcourse, recently he said that How to Name it is his fav album. So, this thing about ARR talking about IR only after 2000 is false.
I dont exactly remember who it was but I have also seen one post by a frequent hubber (and famous too) in this forum (or was it in orkut..shit i dont remember), who is a hardcore IR fan and expressed some disappointment over IR disapproving ARR's music - something which that hubber saw in a Doordarshan interview apparently. That hubber, despite being a IR fan, felt sad/surprise that IR made unnecessary comments in derogatory fashion. I myself read one interview, before 'Cheeni Kum' in which IR said that people might develop 'wrong notion' about music if ARR continues to make the music he was making. So, please dont think that I am merely assuming things.
My point is: he might be right or wrong, but such comments were unnecessary. a dignified silence is far better.
How many times we have seen IR talking about 'Popcorn music'? Honestly, i never liked all that talk of 'others are making popcorn, i am making full-meals' kind of talk. It is a different issue that i still rever IR, but frankly, i personally didnt like all that talk.He may be partially right (partially, because he too gave Popcorn music, apart from fullmeals, pickles, snacks, feast..etc). Even if such comments were not directed at ARR as such but at entire music fraternity as such, i felt it was not needed.
And IR reciprocating it?? I am yet to see it, not for ARR'ssake but for IR's sake (i naturally feel little selfsh about my idol to have big heart and inclusive attitude and remain non-controversial). This event... Lets see what unfolds.
yup i have already mentioned it here http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic....light=#1701722.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumbaiRamki
I dont have anything to say amymore.Quote:
And IR reciprocating it?? I am yet to see it
Technical experimenting with music and letting technology dominate organic film music is like synthetically cultured food dominating the organic foods/old world process . I feel Raaja is the last man standing when it comes to old world school of film music composition (Hollywood still has john Williams and Thomas Newman steadfastly in this area) in India and the camping is unavoidable. The success of one camp will crush the other camp equally. We are not talking about music and notes - it is computers Vs man. Even in technology aided decision supported processes cannot mimick the 'art aspect' influenced by human mind - However the modern music trend is to let the computer provide choices and MD choosing - instead of letting musical patterns emerge out of pure human inspiration.Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
I agree that Yuvan belongs to ARR's school of thought. But i am yet to listen to a pathbreaking album by him (agreed, i haven't listened to many of his albums).Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
KR.. I dont know. I didnt like much either. But i meant that, overall, YSR and KR are making music which is not that sublime enough. For me, even that is as much a pop corn as the ones made by others currently. I only meant/wondered - why constant bickering about popcorn music, when part of it is coming from his own house/dynasty. either disallow them to be part of it, or stop labelling 'popcorn' and simply move on.
Jaiganes
I agree with you. But the same John Williams or Thomas Newman or James Horner do not indulge in nitpicking about techno scores or computer-usage.But IR did it manytimes.whats surprising is he too uses the same technology, synth, computers.for that matter, compared to yesteryear great composers, did IR not use ahead-of-time-technology in 80s? If a S.D.Burman or Madan Mohan were alive in 80s, they would have felt even octopad or any synth rhythm pad that IR used, as machine and not organic. Then? even they could have criticized IR right.
We as listeners might feel - Organic vs. Techno ratio in IR is 80-20(suppose) while in ARR, it is 50-50(suppose). Taken, we as listeners are entitled to our choice of how much % or ratio we want and lap it up. But IR complaining that it is 50-50 or 40-60 is unfair, because it looks as if he is mandating 80-20 and that only that much means good music.thats unfair.why such emperical judgement?who shld decide that?
One can criticize or complain about any element only if he did not touch that element.today, if a pure classical musician complains about synth, we can admit that criticism but if IR does that, sorry, i cannot endorse it, no matter how much merit i find in the argument as such. My natural question will be "But u too did it right, proportions aside..."
@raagas
use is one thing and dependence is another.
IR doesn't condemn the 'use' of it. He condemns consistently the 'dependence' on it and the prevalent notion that mastering the science of generating musical choices with the help of technology alone is the be all and end all of music composition.
This is not with reference to ARR - he knew about music and his handling of technology is on a different plane - that is with understanding of the underlying patterns - but for laymen, it will appear that 'any one can compose' with the help of a computer and win accolades. Repeated interviews from ARR collaborators/ fans on his 'crazy love' for latest computer will only add to the fear inherent.
Raagas - I find it amusing that 'you too did it argument' against ilaiyaraja. Because he indulged in it as a curiosity only and his main bread and butter was from pure instrumental notes that he composed extempore.
With everyone jumping on Apple Macbook music composition bandwagon, people who used old world style lost out on quality players who wanted only sleeve note mention and not difficult composition playing sitting whole day in prasad studio. A generation of music players faded out while next generation switched to computers and 'I too will become Rahman' mode and Raaja was left with a reduced orchestra with a big gap to be filled with outdated synth pads - cheaper in price and quality for the budger he is operating with. If I am a composer and given a choice - keep learning latest sound mixing software or keep creating counterpoints for real flutes and violins backed up by bass guitar I would choose option 2 even if the studio is half full with only some synth to fill in the bass guitar shoes. Thats the choice Raaja is making vis-a-vis film music and I am glad he is making that choice still and sticking to the 'organic' style of music composition.
Guys, I think IR's statement dissing "music after his days" - pop corn / plastic etc. - should not be taken seriously.
'நேற்று இல்லே நாளை இல்லே எப்பவும் நான் ராஜா' என்ற மனநிலையில் இருந்தவரை,
'முந்தா நாள் ஒருத்தர், நேற்று நீர், இன்று நான்' என்று சொல்ல புதிய ஆள் வரும்போது வெளிப்படும் சாதாரண மனித இயல்பு. அவ்வளவே.
If anything, it just helps people to understand that he is still only "trying hard" to become spirtiual but unfortunately far from reaching that goal, unable to untangle from 'Asa-pAsangaL':-)
Though it's difficult for people who grew up listening to his emotinally powerful music to separate his human nature & phenomenal quality of music, it's a fact to be understood and separated.
While all those politics are acceptable during normal times, and he'll still be considered normal, "Oscar-Time" is something extraordinary (just like TbI Time when ARR showered praises on Raja) and glowing praises on ARR from IR is in order. Again this need not even mean praising ARR's music but praising his "phenomenal achievements".
If he fails to do that, on the eyes of someone like me who have appreciated his music for years while treating his personality as "normal", it'll be a big disappointment.
I think all will go well and he'll shower praises on ARR on a stage in TN and end all these speculations.
@AE
Even his presence would do.
Because if he says something there will be 'data analysts' who would do psycho evaluation and pour tonnes of crude oil on him.
Jai,
I am with you on this. What Illayaraja has been saying in interviews is that the computer has started making decisions. It is not about using a synth pad. It is about using an already available loop or some 'off the shelf' sample vs using your own brains to compose. Therein lies the difference. Raja wants every note and every beat to be his own while most of the modern MDs, including Rahman, don't mind using samples from various sources. So it is not about technology but about how much the human input driving the technology. This is what Raja says in one interview for a Malayalam channel. "Why are we not using our brains to create?" The current state is that no one is bothered about samples or otherwise. Everyone is satisfied if the final product is good. Maybe that is something which will not satisfy Raja. He wants to be a creator of music and not an assembler of music. Maybe old school of thought? Maybe not.
Raagas,
Superb posts :thumbsup:
jaiganes,
ARR has already started a school call KM conservatory to have an indian Orchestra so we need not go to budapest
avarala mudinchatha avar panraru. aana evaru?
Jaiganes
You are right...and i agree with IR too(partially) about dependence.But Who will assume the role of judge, in drawing that line between 'use' and 'dependence'. I say that better judges are listeners themselves since the end product will reach them and they are free to take what they like.composers need to become judges for themselves, but not for others.More so, i dont like IR becoming judgemental about other's works, no matter how much right is his opinion.
And to be fair, i think ARR is not all about technology alone.If it was the case,then anyone with money can get an updated technology now and then.it is just that he mixes tech and organic in a certain fashion that it appeals. Thats all. if it is only technology,we might have already had dozens of ARRs.same applies to any composer infact, be it HJ or Yuvan or just anyone.ultimately, it is the tunes and the arrangements, the proportion of organic vs. synth that defines every composer's slot in the eyes and hearts of music lovers.
suresh
fair enough and i am with IR too when he says that. i appreciate it infact because i too think the same. The only problem i have is - he should not be saying it about others, when he himself is using loops.
Hmm, Let me look at this in a different angle. Have we really praised/felicitated them when they were alive? May be he might have felt that no one recognized those genius well.Quote:
Originally Posted by nanchil_guy
Remember in one of his interviews, he was so serious and said that he replied Bharathiyar saying, "Veedhiyil Isaithaalum Veenaikku isaiundu". So he is in a different world altogether. Do not bring him to the level of cat-fight. That way we are not showing our frustration (IR not being awarded World highest awards) instead we are making him cheap. Please dont do that.
MrJudge - I personally dont like many of ARR's styles - though I must admit he does have a penchant for bringing in/working on new sounds - and noone in this whole world can force me to like someone's music if I dont like it! am sure it applies to you - but when you are in the public limelight, there is no way one can avoid such necessities for being politically correct - whichever way you look at it - audiences have changed their tastes, ppl have no time to contemplate deep abt music etc etc, ARR has come a long way since 1992 and am sure IR understands that and hence in public life, IR cannot shut himself off - it might all be a cosmetic exercise, but howsoever, IR might feel, IMO, he shdnt avoid this function to felicitate another contemporary composerQuote:
Originally Posted by MrJudge
Please revisit what I have typed. I didnt say that ARR is Technology alone. He knows both the techniques and uses then interchangeably. However his influences have yielded a new group of MDs who are slaves to the computer alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
If you go by better judges are the listeners themselves, then thanks for the conversation - when the young Amadeus whose surname is so affectionately attached to ARR wrote a score sheet, the top composers, reviewers and the audience of the time said 'too many notes'. So placing the mass listener as the ultimate judge of quality is a laughable deplorable idea and a best form of insult to talent.
Pure bliss(thanks for bringing that one up) has said he is in the conservatory establishment mode and I hope that his school would churn out more musical minds who wont look at the computer as their teacher and master but as an aide and express themselves musically well. As far as going to budapest is concerned, then the czech orchestra too shall be casualities wont they be bro? Just a pool of artistes alone is not enough to say we wont fly to prague or budapest, the infrastructure to record an ensemble piece also is needed and that quality of sound proofing might have to be built too.
what is IR doing? is the loaded question that pure_bliss has asked out of blissful ignorance. If you want to know what he has done, you have to revisit the entire thread and the archives. He has done enough to inspire everyone to jump higher and at 65+ he is doing enough to keep alive a distinct style of music composition that has been all but destroyed by computer converts and voice altering software.
can anyone in the industry or at least having knowledge of how the two composers work throw some light on their actual work ethics/style etc ?
I know that IR sits down with the director and once he understands the story, its a tete-a-tete with the director abt the situations n songs and then he goes about composing the same - puts down the music for EVERY piece of instrument on staff notation paper and then simply gets the orchestra to play the music as he has written down and then record the same
How does ARR work ? does he write staff notations with every minutest detail worked out in fine detail ? has he ever done that for an ensemble/orchestra ??
What are the differences ?? maybe that will answer some of the questions raised
way to go jaiganes!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
"The only problem i have is - he should not be saying it about others,"
No, no. I am not in favour of issuing ultimatums to artists - mavane, nee ipdi behave pannalaina, nee dhoosu da apdinu. Rahmanai paarataradhum paarattadhadhum IR's own ishtam. We have to understand this clearly - IR will appreciate ARR if he is really appreciative of his music. Apdi pannalaina, I will take it as his belief in his school of thought - and that is a pure, unadulterated-by-societal-norms mindset that I support whole-heartedly. Poramai, kiramainu solravanga sollittu ponga. CR, of all people, I expect you to understand this(based on the CR, the person whom I have visualised based on your blog, assuming I am right about the blog that I am thinking of as yours). Look, my job requires me to be at my best-PR mode all the time, and I know how much I lie to mediocre people to keep my fireplace burning. Heck, I am mediocre myself, and because precisely of that, I support an artist like IR's mindset when he calls spade a spade, and mediocre, mediocre. Who decides what is mediocre? Well, he does, ofcourse. Pinne, avar enna raagas definition padiya pesa mudiyum. As I said, avar appadi thaan. Lets not try to place our values on him.
If IR doesnt feel that about ARR but just comes and offers "engappanum katcherikku ponaan" platitudes, that means nothing to me. My view is he wont do it.That is my evaluation of IR, the person. In his old age, he has made a few compromises but certainly I dont think he will change his fundamental nature.
OTOH, if he comes and praises ARR, that will be true from his heart - I will take that as the ultimate enconmium on ARR because that would mean IR appreciates him truly.
jaiganes, thosee are 2 nice posts that you have written. Well put.
Entertainment, I wasnt serious about predicitng IR's speech - I am pretty sure he wont praise Rahman in that way. As I said, whether Rahman appreciates IR's music or viceversa is not an issue. It should not be an issue.
Jaiganes,
I understand and agree with it. But i just feel uncomfortable about the often repeated 'popcorn' talk. All said and done, everyone is doing everything. He can have an opinion but repeating it so often and then he himself using some popcorn elements is what i find strange. Bottomline: i wish IR too remains non-controversial, like ARR, while talking about others.
Plum,
I couldnt understand many parts of your post since it was in tamil. But i understood the intent of it, though not the content and thats where i agree with you.
Whatever friends, all our discussions will find their counter-thoughts on March 1st.
Lets see what unfolds.
It seems it was a deadlock in deciding on who would be the national award winner (for music) between "Roja" and "Thevar Magan":
http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-mov...-25-02-09.html
thanks,
Krishnan
raagas, you didnt miss much. I was grinding ground floor again. The summary is "Dont expect your idols to have the same values as you". "Values", "Societal norms" help in running the social machine smoothly. But if we start being fundamental about these, then the whole purpose of these is defeated. If IR doesnt praise ARR, or is silent about ARR, where is he being controversial? Controversy is in your mind here. Sheer societal pressure should not be the reason why IR praises ARR.
If what Balu Mahendra says is true...
For years, I had been thinking that the NA jury for 1992 was unfair in choosing Roja over Thevar Magan. Harbinger of a new generation as Roja was, I felt that that should not have been the criteria rather the rootedness and the intelligent BGM of Thevar Magan should have been rewarded. In my wildest dreams, I couldnt have imagined that Balu Mahendra would have been the chairman of jury that year. Ada paavi, neeya? Neeya ipdi panna? Nambave mudiyalaiye...neeya panna?
Plum, Please read my posts - i mentioned somewhere that wish IR maintained dignified 'silence'. Controversy, as i said, is not when he is silent... but when he speaks condescendingly about others(not just ARR). What is mean is all that 'fastfood', 'popcorn' talk, which i think is unnecessary. I have seen it manytimes during 90s and even recently when IR said "music which ARR is making can give people wrong notions about music"(i read this interview). Now, as IR fans, we might still be accomodating the idea that probably he meant something else, but as such when a reader reads it, tell me what does it say? Couldnt he avoid such controversial statements. My respect for him did not dent even a bit, but yes, i didnt like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Why, in a 1997 filmfare issue, when Karthikraja was interviewed after he won R.D.Burman filmfare award, KR said "ARR is only a good musician not a good composer. I appreciate only his sound,but his songs, never". I was shocked to read that., because that was KR's debut (Grahan, for which he won that award) and he is already talking about someone who has been making music since 5 years before him(good music or bad music..whatever).it is not appropriate right.
Plum,
Talking about passing judgments and having opinions, like i said "humility", "political correctness" etc seem to be overrated sometimes. I agree with you there. And we can't help passing judgments on anyone from Sreekanth Deva to IR. Aana appadi paatha edha pathiyume namma pesa mudiyadhu, cricket, cinema, etc etc.. just teak kadai talk :) (naama pesarom, avinga *seyyarainga*)
Anyway in this case (or in case of my Aandavar) its more out of 'patru' and 'akkarai' :razz:
Now, to clarify one basic point - you are talking about musical appreciation, i'm talking about recognizing and "vaazhthufying" *achievements*, as a predecessor and a 'guru'.
Personality, working style, priorities - let them be different. Let an individual have his opinions and not be told by nobodies like me what to do, say and how. I'm just expecting an acknowledgement and a pat on the back for what Rahman has done for us. Is it too much to ask for?
P.S: Even in musical terms, while Isaikkadavul has the supreme right to have his opinions, ennala andha frequently used "popcorn" dismissal-a oru slight kasappu illama eduthukka mudiyala but thats a different issue.... raagas has already touched upon some points which i agree with. Its not just about passing an opinion but sometimes i interpret it as "this is good music, today's youth must listen to good music which i give...ALL we get today is popcorn stuff" (note the sweeping 'ALL' here)
[Raagas, please don't mind the Tamil, i'm sure you get the drift]
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Originally Posted by Plum
ok, so I havent heard that popcorn thingy so I cant comment. I think I'll take Jaiganes's take on that - the question is how much you use technology and how much you depend on it. Music as such does refer to a system - so my view is IR's - that is, the establishment view of rigidity and fidelity to underlying form. If IR is fundamental about it...I am comfortable with that. If you guys are not comfy with that, I can understand that. What I am not so fundamental about is dismissing Rahman as "not music". I can 'tolerate' and 'agree-to-disagree' with the 'anti-establishement' view of Rahman and whole-heartedly appreciate his achievements in his context. I can even enjoy Rahman passionately when he gets relatively conventional, like, say Swades or Kangalal Kaidhu Sei. The music of KKS appealed to me instantly and there were moments there which I told myself "now that is so IRish". I also believe IR has a right to be fundamental on this - I think another key factor is IR holds spontaneity sarcosanct, and a fundamental aspect of music making and the music making process of Rahman is not conducive to that.
What I am not happy about is judging him by our standards - even though it is against democratic principles, I believe that people like IR(and ARR) should be given special rights and judging them by 'normal' standards banned.
"I'm just expecting an acknowledgement and a pat on the back for what Rahman has done for us. Is it too much to ask for"
No, not too much. I reckon IR will actually do it this time.
But my basic point about musical appreciation of ARR/IR for each other is not somethign we should expect as a birthright. Abusing them for that reason(like ARR never said he likes IR music, he didnt mention IR in influences and vice versa) is not on..
Very true but then just like i would have a problem if say, a purist Music Academy mama rubbishes Ilaiyaan's music as "polluting junk", i have a problem with IR rubbishes ALL contemporary music as "popcorn". Nobody can impose his/her opinion on the MA Mama or IR, but anyone has the right to disagree with such a view and express displeasure :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
[I do get the human input vs computer aided stuff thing but when someone says "innaikku irukkara isai ellam enna, popcorn isai dhaane", and on more than one occassion, i can't get myself to imagine it as a critique on JUST techno dependence. Lets not dive deeper into it. We have digressed enough. However, i agree that everyone, mortal or genius musician, is free to have his own musical preferences and dislikes, free of compuslsions of political correctness and niceties]