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An excerpt from Ebert's review on Coen Brothers' next film, No country for old men:
Many of the scenes in "No Country for Old Men" are so flawlessly constructed that you want them to simply continue, and yet they create an emotional suction drawing you to the next scene. Another movie that made me feel that way was "Fargo." To make one such film is a miracle. Here is another.
Looks like this movie has pleased all the critics. Can't wait to watch :P
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Originally Posted by Nerd
A question from 'Fargo' to which there has been no satisfactory answer (in IMDB):
What is the significance of Margie's Japanese friend? Why that character?
And another one that seemed out of place - when the killer is finally arrested and is being taken in the car, Margie says that she can't see how money can be a catalyst to his crimes. For a police office who has been in the force for long, it is difficult to believe that she hasn't seen enough money driven crimes. Sabayorin karuthu enna?
There was a Ebert-Scorsese special, discussing about their top 4 films from the 90s. Fargo featured in Ebert's list (Scorsese named some less popular films, and he named my favorite war film "Thin red line"), they discussed about this character, how he plays an important part in the narrative. The husband (brilliantly played by William H Macy) and the Japanese guy are quite similar with their nervousness, later when Margie discovers that the japanese guy cooked up a story, she immediately connects it to Macy, and goes back to investigate him, the rest follows..Quote:
Originally Posted by kannannn
Well, the guy chases back few kids (and leaves his large bootprint) to brutally kill 'em, it's probably because of his homicidal tendencies, and equally with an intent to dispose evidences (as they see their faces). Also because of the way he disposes Buscemi, that character couldn't have possibly be driven by 'money' alone. Thus, his homicidal tendencies got a 'catalyst' in money, thus that line could be the disbelief of the dangerous crime being driven by money, but also because of the character's psyche..Quote:
And another one that seemed out of place - when the killer is finally arrested and is being taken in the car, Margie says that she can't see how money can be a catalyst to his crimes. For a police office who has been in the force for long, it is difficult to believe that she hasn't seen enough money driven crimes. Sabayorin karuthu enna?
However, Coen brothers often deceive with their lines, some of 'em are quite multi-layered. In many films, they easily deceive a serious situation into something which could seem satirical, or slapstick!
That makes a lot of sense. So, it basically means Marige is naive and believes people in the first instant.Quote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
Also makes sense (especially the brutal nature of Buscemi's death). An interpretation I had was that Margie was after all a small town police officer where crime is so low that a homicide of this nature is perhaps the first and she is surprised at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
Trivias from the DVD special features interview with Coen Brothers and Frances McDormand..Quote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
1. Apparently Macy was supposed to say Orange Ciera, but he didn't like the way it sounded and replaced it with Tan Ciera.
2. Frances McDormand and John Carroll Lynch developed a background story for their characters. They were both in the police force and Lynch quite his job since the foce was small to have both and since she was better than him at the job. She then encourages him to pursue his passion - painting.
3. Coen Brothers are so alike in the way they think that when McDormand goes to each with her ideas, the answer she gets from them is always the same :D .
Wow, interesting. Never knew this. the first one is surprising, considering their knack for the accent, words, costumes, and the backdrop in their films..Quote:
Trivias from the DVD special features interview with Coen Brothers and Frances McDormand..
1. Apparently Macy was supposed to say Orange Ciera, but he didn't like the way it sounded and replaced it with Tan Ciera.
2. Frances McDormand and John Carroll Lynch developed a background story for their characters. They were both in the police force and Lynch quite his job since the foce was small to have both and since she was better than him at the job. She then encourages him to pursue his passion - painting.
3. Coen Brothers are so alike in the way they think that when McDormand goes to each with her ideas, the answer she gets from them is always the same
An interpretation I had was that Margie was after all a small town police officer where crime is so low that a homicide of this nature is perhaps the first and she is surprised at that.
Yes, and most thrillers of Coen's has often been driven by 'coincidental' events. The characters aren't smart in truest sense, and often act by instinct.
"The man who wasn't there" is an interesting film to be placed and analyzed side by side with "Fargo"..
Nice discussion here, Thilak and Kannannn!
Thilak,Quote:
Originally Posted by kannannn
It's this conversation that you're referring to. I think both Ebert's and Rosenbaum's reviews of the film pointed out this scene in particular.
Kannannn,
That Margie picks a "connection" between her former classmate (and ex-boyfriend?) and Jerry Lundegaard is indeed suggested in the film. But, I think it'd be somewhat inappropriate to say that Margie is naive enough to believe people and what they say in the first instant. The first time she talks to Jerry, she notices how nervous he is, but doesn't understand why. Why would he lie to her? She sees no reason how he -- an executive sales manager in a firm owned by his father-in-law -- could be (and why he would be) involved in such a "malfeasance."
When she comes to know that her bumbling friend had lied to her about his marriage, career etc. before breaking down (and even then, cooking up a tragic story about how his wife died of leukemia), she doesn't get that either. Why would anyone create such a web of lies? (She keeps mulling over that as she is driving, when she's having a burger on the way.)
It is this "spiritual" alienation in both these men that strikes Margie. In a way, she actually connects to Jerry after she comes to know that she learnt no truth about her old boyfriend when she met him.
This is not to question her naivete (as we perceive it) per se, which is superbly portrayed in the film. Like what she says as the film draws to an end. She's being simplistic alright, but in simple terms, she's also being right. (It's played out like one of those "who's-being-naive-Kay?" moments, the way I see it.)
Thanks Equanimus, I saw the video in Ebert-Roeper site!
Also, the yeah-yeah barrage typifies the general air of simplicity in such a town! More than naivety per se, Kannannn is right about the small town where crime is so low, and people in general aren't aware much, or in other words, don't come across different kinds of people. Be it the alienated or the possessed! There is also the superb catch phrase which is much appropriate, the girls say 'the little guy is kinda like funny looking', which is a misappropriate (instinctive) assertion of the dangerous Buscemi, and nods McDormand, followed by yeah-yeahs! :lol: None of 'em possess better judgment!
Then there is the undercurrent theme of fidelity, which is a trademark Coen here, as they are to varying extremes!
Oh, most definitely. I couldn't agree more...Quote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
The small town setting and the characters that inhabit them also serve as an acute contrast to the kind of police officers we usually see in Hollywood. The all-too-smart macho men who would take no more than a second to place the pieces of the puzzle together. But, Margie on the other hand is earthy, but also strikingly intelligent. Her intuitions are often right on the money. Which is why I think it's somewhat inappropriate to say that she tends to believe most people the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by kannannn
To add to it, pregnant. Why I refuse to buy that she's strikingly intelligent is because she doesn't make full use of her investigations, she could have pinned on Macy for all his claustrophobic tendencies. Moreover, Coens often have characters who aren't smart in the truest sense. Instead, they have shrewd characters. Why! Mcdormand's role in "A blood simple" also acts by her instincts, and doesn't get the whole plot. (The ending is pure class) And much like "A Blood simple", there is a husband plotting something against his wife, there again its infidelity, but here it's monetary on outside, but it's MAcy's lack of trust which is the catalyst. While there the Mcdormand's line of money-cant-be-the-catalyst is a give-in. As it's more the lack of trust on people that drives. "Infidelity" between characters is the catalyst. Not just Macy and his wife, but his father in law and Macy, Macy and the kidnappers, between the kidnappers (probably the best to buy, for it's uttered after she witnesses the brutal disposal of Buscemi's body.) In fact, Mcdormand trusts Macy, only to be proved wrong. Hence, I think she realizes this in the end, and thus the line...Quote:
But, Margie on the other hand is earthy, but also strikingly intelligent. Her intuitions are often right on the money. Which is why I think it's somewhat inappropriate to say that she tends to believe most people the first time.
Thilak,
I mean the same shrewdness you're talking about. She's not sophisticated at all, but has a keen perception. Her intuition more often than not helps her. This earthy shrewdness of hers is even shown to be in contrast with her associate Lou. ("I'm not sure I agree with you a hunnert percent on your police work there, Lou.")
Yes, it's the alienation of Macy (from his wife, from his son) that drives him to such extremes. Macy's demeanor betrays a lot of desperation even during McDormand's interview with him even the first time. She sees as much even then, but doesn't get it. My two cents.
Agree. Also, she doesn't suspect Macy during the second interview too. It is only when he bolts from the place that she suspects something is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
I am not a big fan of Blood Simple, but I like the climax (pure Hitchcockian).Quote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
When she arrives at the scene of crime, she quickly works out the sequence of events and this establishes her character to be quite intelligent. And of course there is that line you have quoted. I suspect she is more at home in the small town than in a big city.Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
I think Macy is inherently awkward with money. He is just inempt in whatever he does. And that's what drives his FiL to distrust him. Macy's desperation is beautifully portrayed in the scene where he takes out his anger on his windshield when his FiL cuts him out of his pet project.Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
Overall, I think she's much better in collecting evidences, than judging people. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
BTW, "Raising Arizona" is an equaly interesting film, but hardly a people's favorite. It also has Coen's trope, and various thematic elements. But was a 'Enna kodumai sir idhu' in the first watch, gets better in subsequent views. Over the years, it's evident that Coens have matured as a filmmaker..
The Coens' NCFOM is on par with strangelove now (imdb) !! i can't believe that it has become a normal movie watcher's favorite. There are 100s of theories in imdb regarding the *ending* which is a big big victory for the Coens. On another note I have been trying to watch OBWAT but without much success. I could not get past the first 30 mins for some reason.. The movie doesn't evoke interest at all :oops:
MY FAV.DIRECTOR [ALAGENTRO GONZALIZ INNARUTU]
DIRECTOR OF AMORESS PEROSS,21GRAMS,BABEL.
I'm glad for one of my favorite actors of all time, Daniel day lewis, for his There will be blood. Once again, he keeps proving his worth. Also, I'm a fan of P.T.Anderson's Magnolia.
What do you think aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
(a) Your *favorite* Tom Cruise in the film :)
(b) Climaaks
a) It's his best performance. In general, I'm not a fan of his acting, which exudes his exuberance than the character's.Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
b) The Exodus reference was news to me. Somehow, I couldn't get myself to the evangelical fantasies that were proposed. When I saw the film, I had a different take. When the subtexts are about the "alienating" of the characters who are just ostensibly interconnected. Anderson employs the incongruous event, which is alienating to the intuition. The juxtaposition of loosely and closely-linked characters are "connected" by the frog-rain with its unpredictability. The usage of the event is more stimulating than a truly cataclysmic event, ala Shortcuts, where Altman doesn't believe in proving a gripping denouement (like in Magnolia), but stays true to the theme of unifying by the event. As in Shortcuts, we are led to the theme of fate, infidelity, and the accidental, coincidental and consequent encounters within the characters in Magnolia.
Christopher nolan , Stanley Kubrick,Sergio leone, Coppola. :D Hi there thilak its me sid! u remember :)
Of course, I remember. :D Welcome to the hub! :boo:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sid_316
http://specials.rediff.com/movies/20.../01oslide1.htm
An excellent article from rediff :shock:
I have not seen Barton Fink. Has anybody seen it?? And its been ages since I watched Miller's crossings.. F and TBL are certainly from the Coens' top shelf 8-)
Well, I wouldn't say its one of Coen's best. Wasnt overwhelmed when i watched it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
Ditto, and it's compiled by Mr.Raja sen. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
I just finished watching Krzysztof's Three colors trilogy, back-to-back-to-back and I am completely blown away. I think his films or on par with Kubrick/Kurosawa when it comes to visual elegance (have not seen any of Bergman/Tarkovsky). Blue is my favorite right now. White was the simplest, blue was the most beautiful and Red was the best. I have no words to describe the cinematography and the soundtrack :bow: :bow: :bow: Had to read IMDB/Wiki to fathom a few things :oops: May be my next viewing would be more enjoyable.
Nerd, did you notice that all three movies have one scene in common: that of an old woman struggling to drop a bottle in a recycling bin? In fact, 'The double life of Veronique' too has a similar scene. Did you understand the significance of it?
Oh yes. Those scenes were easy to understand when compared with Blue's climax, for an example :oops:
Julie completely ignores her - Liberty from the world. Karol grins at her sarcastically - Equality, someone in the world is as pathetic as he is. Valentine helps her - Brotherhood
:thumbsup: I couldn't understand it the first time I saw. Adding to the confusion was the placement of the same scene in DLoV, which I should probably watch again from a different perspective. As you said, the best was Red. But Blue has a very different feel - the music, the acting (Binochett rejected Jurassic Park to do this one) and the cinematography are all superlative. The best part for me is the reference to characters from other parts of the trilogy in each movie. Krzysztof is perhaps the best when it comes to bringing human emotions and relationships on screen :notworthy: .
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Krzysztof is perhaps the best when it comes to bringing human emotions and relationships on screen
(but not without evangelical manoeuvers sadly...)
Pretenders, move aside! The Master is back!! :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Aarambame Asaththal!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ing-Nazis.htmlQuote:
Quentin Tarantino angers Germans with film about slaying Nazis
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2008/...secondworldwar
'Inglorious Bastards' - shooting to start in October-November, to hit Cannes 2009 (hopefully)
Confirmed cast: Brad Pitt and Mike Myers.
(Perhaps this deserves a seperate thread :? )
Pona vaarame orkutla paathein post panna marandhutein. What about Di caprio ??. They were speculating that Dicaprio may also be iin the cast :huh:
Kannannn, Probably you may know this but check this out http://landofmovies.blogspot.com/200...s-profile.html
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Any links for the purportedly leaked script? I know that Tarantino finishes the complete screenplay before going for the shoot. Have read the pulp fiction script completely and was truly overwhelmed. :)
Feddy, I have seen that site :D. Di Caprio is out now. Simon Pegg was also rumored but today's news says he is not a part (As I read somewhere, there are more guesses about IB than about the next coming of Christ :lol:). The only confirmed cast is Pitt, Myers and Eli Roth.
Would be interesting to see how Roth's character is written.
Nerd, Most movie scripts are available online I guess. But none of the to be released, especially from such a huge project. The news reports are based on leaked parts of the script. Last month Tarantino had distributed the script to the major studios. Apparently Universal will finance the project, but it will still be produced by Wienstein Brothers, who also produced Grindhouse (both were part of Miramax, whom Tarantino said he will exclusively produce movies for before.)
I may be wrong..
Nerd, here: http://www.imagenetz.de/fc95247f7/in...cript.pdf.html
This is all so confusing :confused2:
Kannannn,
Please take the honors of opening a thread for Quentin Tarantino!!!
:)
Come, all ye faithful..
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=11931
I recently downloaded Kubrick's Napoleon script (with Jack nicholson as the French general), his interview, 'making of the shining' (highly recommended, superbly narrated, and must-watch for kubrick fans, though it's just too short for comfort), and also couple of his first few not-so-short-yet-rare films (bad print though). The films are hard on the eyes. And oh, also got some of his published photos in the press, when he started out as a photographer. Also contains Shining OST, it's not a favorite, but WCM by polish composer (with typical polish first name 'krzysztof') is worth a listen.
http://www.mininova.org/tor/811104