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bull (@ satu*) on: Wed Mar 3 06:00:21
Sriram : You're talking about tum jO mil gayE hO (pause) to yeeeeeeeehhh lagtaa hai kE jahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnn
mil gayaa
right?
Can anyone tell me what movie this is from ?
aap yoon faaslOn sE guzartE rahE
dil sE kadmOn kI aawaaz aati rahi ...
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CM (@ ckpx*) on: Wed Mar 3 09:47:41
There is onemore good song from Cravan, i dont know whether u guys missed it.
"Kitna pyaara vaada.."
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Wed Mar 3 15:23:54
CM, no, cannot forget this song.
bull, You are right.
Who has sung this song you are referring to ?
It certainly does ring a bell, but I am unable to place it.
Nalini, I did not get enough time last night to determine the raaga, returned home late from work. But it cannot be Kalavati because Kalavati uses R1 and there is no R1 is any of these songs.
Talking of Naushad and Roshan, some great songs....
Roshan
Main dil hoon ik armaan Bharaa - Talat
All songs of Taj Mahal
All songs of Barsaat Ki Raath
(remember Maine Shaayad tumhe pehle bhi kahin by Rafi)
Aapne yaad dilaya (Lata-Rafi)
Baharon ne mera chaman (Mukesh)
Laaga Chunri mein Daag (Manna Dey)
Duniya kare sawaal to hum (Lata)
Hum intezaar karenge (Rafi-Asha)
Nigahen Milane ko (Asha chorus)
Ab kya misaal doon (Rafi)
Caravan Guzar gaya mubar Dekthe rahe (Rafi)
and many more .....
Naushad
All songs of Baiju Bawra, Mughal -E- aazam
Dukh Bhare din beethe re Bhaiya (Chorus)
O Door ke musafir (Rafi)
(This movie Udan Khatola had one of the early horse-beat songs, Dil Ka payaam leja , a superb number)
His love-duets had a classical base intertwined with romance like
Do Sitaron ka zameen (Lata-Rafi)
Teri Husn ki kya taareef (Lata-Rafi)
Suhaani Raat Dhal Chuki (Rafi)
Tasveer Banaatha Hoon (Talat)
and many more to come.....
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Bhoori (@ synv*) on: Wed Mar 3 16:19:29
Raj: Piya Tu was picturized on Helen. Arjon mile he tho was picturized on Aruna Irani. Almost all other songs were picturized on Asha Parekh.
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nalini (@ 169.*) on: Wed Mar 3 16:34:03
I love Roshan!
How about all the songs from Mamta? "Chupa lo yun dil mein pyaar mera" is my favourite. And Rafi's "Man re tu kaahe na dheer dhare" from Chitralekha?
By the way, Sriram, I don't believe Kalavati uses any R (SGPDnS, SnDPGS). I haven't studied the songs closely; I will try to confirm my guess too.
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Wed Mar 3 19:31:03
Nalini,
Actually , are you referring to Carnatic Kalavathi or Hindustani Kalavathi ? Hindustani Kalavathi is I think actually Malayamarutham of Carnatic which has R1. Will confirm soon.
Yes, Chupa lo is a killer. Mamta had "Rahe na rahe hum" by Lata which is again a super tune. Interestingly, Roshan admitted that the inspiration was SDB's "Tande Hawayen". Furthermore, "Tande.."'s metre was used by Madan Mohan in "Yehi hai tamanna tere ghar ke samne" sung by Rafi and "Sagar Kinare" from "Sagar" scored by RDB. Did the movie have "In baharon mein akele na phiro, raah me kaali ghata rok na le" sung by Rafi and Asha? I am sure the MD is Roshan. This song is very similar to "jo waada kiya woh" which was set to Pahaadi.
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bull (@ satu*) on: Thu Mar 4 06:16:10
Sriram and Nalini, you people are really doing great here maaan! keep it going!
aap nE yaad dilaayaa to mujhE yaad aayaa is really a lovely one! Thanks for yaad dilaaying it! :-))
Sriram : aap yoon faaslOn sE guzartE rahE was sung by Lata.
Right now I am listening to songs from the film Howrah Bridge apart from Geeta Dutt's famous number mEraa naam chin-chin choo the other songs are all by Asha and boy has she done a great job or what!! Wonderful songs!
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bull (@ satu*) on: Thu Mar 4 08:43:24
Talk about Roshan and here is a haunting song from Noor Jahan
raat ki mehafil sooni sooni
....
sehmE sehmE armaanon kaa
hOnaa hI thaa yeh anjaam
I dont remember the 2nd line very well...
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nalini (@ 169.*) on: Thu Mar 4 10:09:03
"Tandi havaayen.." what a song! Wasn't this copied in Tamil as "Konjum Purave.."
Sriram, sorry for the confusion, I was referring to the Hindustani Kalavati (Carnatic equivalent: valachi). Didn't realise there was a Carnatic Kalavati. The Hindustani one's aaroh/avroh is SGPDnS/SnDPGS (G,D Shudh, N Komal in Hindustani terminology). I'm pretty sure about this :-) Another Kalavati based movie song is "mai ka piya bulave" from Sur Sangam (Hindi remake of Shakarabharanam).
Speaking of classically oriented HFM, Anuradha songs are beautiful (Music - Ravi Shankar) - Jane Kaise Sapnon mein kho gayee akhiyan, Haye re vo din kyoon na aaye, kaise din beete, Sanvare...I never get tired of listening to these.
bull, "chin chin choo.." is a fun song. I love Geeta Dutt. Some favourites: jane kya toone kahi, vaqt ne kiya, Piya aise, chale aao...
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bull (@ satu*) on: Thu Mar 4 11:48:35
Nalini: I was refering to the Asha songs in the movie Howrah Bridge, however Geeta Dutt was a great singer ... you've mentioned wonderful songs too...
One of my favourites is tum jO huE mErE humsafar ...
About the song achchhaa jI main haari chalo maan jaaO naa... from kaalaa paani I think...
Was it by Geeta Dutt or was it by someone else?
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bull (@ satu*) on: Thu Mar 4 11:50:36
yeah "thandi hawaayEn" was copied in thamiz as "konjum puraavE"
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Thu Mar 4 12:03:07
Konjum purave was sung by MLV in Tamil.
Nalini, thanks for the info.
bull, Asha has done a great job, esp. in "Aayea meherbaan". I have liked OP Nayyar too, though he overdid the horse-beat stuff (maybe the song situation demanded it). Asha under OP Nayyar's baton was delightful.
Chain se humko kabhi
Jayeea aapka kahaan
Aaankhon se jo uthri
Ye hai reshmi zulfon ka andhera
Chota saa baalma
More later...
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Anu (@ ws23*) on: Thu Mar 4 15:24:57
Some more delightful songs by Asha Bhonsle under O.P.Nayyar's direction :
1. Oh leke pehla pehla pyaar
Bharke aankhon me khumaar...
from CID. Actally Shamshad Begum sang it too with Rafi.
2. Ishaaron ishaaron mein dil lene waale
from Kashmir ki Kali with Rafi.
3. Saathi haath badhana..
and other melodious songs from Nayaa Daur.
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nalini (@ 169.*) on: Thu Mar 4 15:47:14
I just love the Asha/O.P.Nayyar combination. To add to Anu's and Sriram's wonderful list,
Akeli hoon main Piya aa
Divana hua badal (with Rafi) - one of my all-time favourites
Raathon ko chori chori
Haath Aaya hai (with M. Kapoor)
Aakhon hi aakhon mein ishaaraa ho gayaa (w/ Rafi)
Aap yoon hi agar hum se milte rahe (w/ Rafi).
bull, "achchaa ji main hari chalo" is by Asha.
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Fri Mar 5 12:51:03
Guess, OP Nayyar used KK sparingly, though the numbers I remember are all very good.
Meri neendon mein tum (with Shamshad Begum)
Ek Baar muskurado (with Asha)
Roop tera aisa (solo)
Piya piya piya (with Asha).
To the best of my knowledge he used the nasal-king Mooookesh only once
Chal Akela Chal Akela which was a good song backed by female chorus arrangement.
Obviously , his favourites were Rafi & Asha.
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Fri Mar 5 14:10:21
Guess, OP Nayyar used KK sparingly, though the numbers I remember are all very good.
Meri neendon mein tum (with Shamshad Begum)
Ek Baar muskurado (with Asha)
Roop tera aisa (solo)
Piya piya piya (with Asha).
To the best of my knowledge he used the nasal-king Mooookesh only once
Chal Akela Chal Akela which was a good song backed by female chorus arrangement.
Obviously , his favourites were Rafi & Asha.
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bull (@ satu*) on: Sat Mar 6 08:07:33
mErE seenE mein bhi dil hai
hain mErE bhi kuchh armaan
mujhE patthar to na samjhO
main hoon aakhir ik insaan
raah mEri wahin
jismE duniyaa chali...
chaahE kOyi mujhE janglee kahE
kahnE do ji kahtaa rahE
hum pyaar ke toofaanOn mein ghirE hain
hum kyaa karEn
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bull (@ satu*) on: Sat Mar 6 08:31:05
uff yeh nazar
uff yeh adaa
uff yeh nazar
uff yeh adaa
kaun na ab hOgaa fidaa
zulfen hain yaa badliyaan
aankhen hain yaa bijliyaan
jaanE kis kis kI aayEgi khazaa
yoon tO humnE laakh hasin dEkhE hain
tum saa nahin dEkhaa
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bull (@ satu*) on: Sat Mar 6 08:49:07
Who is the female voice in
aajkal tErE-mErE pyaara kE charchE har zabaan par
sabkO maalum hai aur sabkO khabar hO gayi
?
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Sat Mar 6 14:46:52
bull,
The female singer is Suman Kalyanpur, often known as the poor man's Lata, a Shankar Jaikishan discovery.
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SR Kaushik (@ nova*) on: Sat Mar 6 16:16:58
I find it difficult to understand why Suman Kalyanpur did not get more opportunities. She was an excellent singer, IMO.
I think this had something to do with Lata and her alleged policy of discriminating against other talented singers.
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Sat Mar 6 21:13:58
SRK, yes, Suman Kalyanpur was a very good singer. Her problem was that she did not adopt a style of her own. She followed the path laid out by Lata, her style was very similar to Lata's.
This could be because the SJ duo had their period of misunderstanding with Lata and they needed somebody to step into her shoes. Even SDB tried her out ("Na tum hame jaano") , but not too often. Interestingly, there was supposed to have been an incident where Lata mistook Suman's voice for her's once and was flabbergasted as she had never such a song at all.
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Sat Mar 6 22:44:12
Some of OP Nayyar's best creations were
Man mora baawra (sung by Rafi for guess who...Kishore kumar in "Kalpana").
Too hai mera prem devta (Rafi and Manna Dey)
Naaznin bada rangin hai waada tera
(Rafi and Asha)
Humne to dil ko aapke kadmon mein rakh diya (Rafi and Asha , one of my favourites , I think from "mere sanam". The same movie had Rafi's "Tukde Hai mere" and ofcourse the classy "Pukartha Chalaa hoon mein").
I love the violin "intrusion" in this song. Beautifully positioned and the melody is simply superb , good "sangathis" by Rafi.
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nalini (@ 169.*) on: Mon Mar 8 13:34:47
Personnally, never did much care for Suman Kalyanpur (especially in higher pitches). But she did o.k in "Ajhun na aayae baalma - saaven beeta jaye" with Rafi.
Sriram, the OP Nayyar songs you've listed are excellent. One more favourite of mine - Balma khulli havayen". According to rumours, after an unpleasant incident with Lata, O.P Nayyar swore he would achieve fame without Lata and stuck to Asha then onwards. Anyone remember a Lata song set to music by O.P Nayyar? Is there one?
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nalini (@ 169.*) on: Mon Mar 8 13:43:34
Sorry - didn't mean to offend any Suman Kalyanpur fans. Just my opinion:-)
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Mon Mar 8 17:06:28
Nalini,
No , not a single song.
When queried about this, he diplomatically said that he Lata's spritual voice did not suit his peppy songs. I read an article written by Raju Bharatan on this issue. The gist of the story is ....
Roshan, one of Lata's favourite composers was unceremoniously thrown out from a movie by the producer much against the contract. Lata approached the MD's association header by Anil Biswas to sort out the issue. The stand the association later took was that no MD would sign up for the movie and that Roshan had to be reinstated. The hapless producer then approached OP Nayyar who was on the brink of poverty (OP Nayyar states that he did not have money to buy his baby a bottle of milk) . This, obviously being a boon in disguise, OPN accepted it but this resulted in some unsavoury episodes with stiff words being exchanged .Probably, this coupled with the fact that most of his earlier compositions went either to Shamshad Begum or Geeta Dutt would have worsened the situation.
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bull (@ satu*) on: Wed Mar 10 11:59:04
aankhOn mein qayaamat kE kaajal
hOntOn pE gazab kI laali hai
bandaa parwar kahiyE kiskE
bandaa parwar kahiyE kiskE
taqdeer sanwarnE waali hai
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Wed Mar 10 14:21:22
VaNakkam Kavignyar KaaLai avargaLe,
That was sung by Mahendra Kapoor right ? A typical horse-beat OPN stuff. But one should commend him for the varied tunes he could compose set to the same beat without the slightest compromise on melody.
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bul (@ satu*) on: Thu Mar 11 04:05:13
Never liked Mahendra Kapoor's voice although some of his songs like "beetE huE lamhOn ki kasakh aaj tO hOgi" are really good ones. And of course his most famous one is "mEri dEsh kI dharthI sona uglE uglE heerE mOti"
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Thu Mar 11 14:49:32
To me, MK was OK. I liked him very much in the song he sang with Manna Dey "Jisko nahin dekha hamne kabhi" (I hope I am right), it goes on futher like "Aye Maa, teri soorat se alag
Bhagwan ki soorat kya hogi". He infact overshadowed Manna Dey. I like his "Tum nacho ras barse" , very classical and ofcourse his "Navrang" songs composed by C Ramachandra and "Rafta Rafta" with Asha. An interesting tidbit about MK, he and Aarti Mukherjee were the winners of the Murphy singing competition and guess who were the judges ? Anil Biswas, Naushad, Madan Mohan , C Ramachandra etc.
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rajiv (@ tmpi*) on: Thu Mar 11 15:39:47
recently i stumbled upon a 'lata sings for C.Ramachandra' casette.. it had some really melodious numbers (all from the 1940's) like
dil ki duniya etc..
i wonder if anyone even remembers that C.Ramachandra existed..
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nalini (@ 169.*) on: Thu Mar 11 16:13:28
My favourite C.Ramachandra song is "O chaand jahan tu jaye" sung by Lata and Asha (Sharada?). Of course who can forget songs from Sthree and Navrang.
Not much of a Mahendra Kapoor fan here either. Although he didn't do too badly in Navrang and OP Nayyar's "Haath aaya hai.." duet with Asha (one of Asha's best).
Sriram, thanks for that interesting tid-bit about Lata and OP Nayyar.
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SRK (@ elro*) on: Thu Mar 11 17:09:06
Talking of C.Ramachandra, my favorites among those I have listened to are:
1. Ye zindagi usi ki hai - great tune
2. Zindagi pyaar ki do chaar ghadi hoti hai- again, great tune
3. Tum kyaa jano tumhaari yaad mein - orchestration was very good. He used a very Christian sounding instrument for the chords - I think it was the church organ or something like that.
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Thu Mar 11 17:42:02
Nalini, you are welcome.
SRK , there are several other great numbers from "Anarkali".
Jaag Dard Ishq jaag (super!!!)
Mujh se math pooch mere ishq
Aaja ab to Aaja
Mohabbat aisi dhadkan hai (class!!!)
Talking of Mahendra Kapoor there was a very melodious number he sang for C Ramachandra, "Dil lagaakar hum yeh samjhe zindagi kya cheez hai". I have always loved "Taron ki zabaan par hai mohabbat ki kahaani" composed by CR, sung by Rafi and Lata in "Nausherwan-e-adil".His rock-n-roll songs were lively like "Eena meena deeka", "Gore gore", "Meri Jaan Meri jaan" etc. A very capable singer himself, he once "imitated" Talat in "Azad", "kitna haseen hai mausam kitna haseen safar hai". Yes, imitated because Dilip Kumar wanted Talat for this song but Talat did not arrive on time for the recording. Imagine , all the songs for "Azaad" with numbers like "Appalam Chappalam", "Radha na bole na bole", "Kitna haseen hai mausam" were composed and recorded within a week and sent to Coimbatore for the shooting. I think the film had around 8-9 songs.
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cram (@ 206.*) on: Fri Mar 12 04:29:05
CR gave real cool numbers in "Albela", also a superb movie by Bhagwan (wonder how many remember him). "deewana parwana", "shola jo bhadke", "sham dhale khidki tale", "bholi soorat dil ke khote", are all golden evergreens. CR also sang very well in the name of Chitalkar. man, i love that guy! CR, Ravi, Salil were all terrific, but were overshadowed by SDB, Naushad and SJ. pity! btw, wasn't it CR who scored for "vanjikkOttai valiban", with "kaNNum kaNNum kalanthu" and "raaja magaL"?
dig: anyone likes ravindra jain? i think he was one of the guys who was really pathbreaking, without sacrificing melody. unfortunately, he is a forgotten man, with the industry having discarded 'music' for noise, and the common man also caring less.
even a guy like bappi lahiri, who gave many excellent songs in the beginning, switched to band-baaja and ultimately disappeared. wasted talent, i should say!
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SRK (@ inkt*) on: Fri Mar 12 15:37:13
Cram: Sure! I love some of Ravindra Jain's works, esp. "Chit chor" and "chashme baddoor" - they used to be based in classical and were great numbers. "Raam teri ganga maili" had some good songs too.
He also scored good music for "Ramayan", but I think by then, he had reached the twilight of his career.
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Ramji (@ 205.*) on: Mon Mar 15 08:01:45
O my God! I somehow missed this thread so far. C. Ramachandra is my all time fvt and thanks to Nalini and Sriram Lakshman for nostalgicizing my memories. I too had heard the story of why CR imitated Talat in Azad.
He would use his first name Chithalkar as a singer and the full name CR when scoring music.Adding to the list:
1. Raj Tilak ( Vanchi kottai valiban in Tamil)
2. Paigham (Tamil version irumbu thirai did not have his music)
Was the judicious importer of Waltz, synmphonic orchestral music and Rock n roll. His improvisations of the raga Hamsad Dvani were unique.eg. o chand jaha to jaye ( I think in Sharada), Rang Dhere (Nav Rang)
CR had set a tone in FM which had influenced even some of the relatively moderm MD's including IR when he started( e.g. kizhakke pogum rail). Honestly no intenetion of dragging IR here for discussion or fight.
Sriram, Nalini et al, how abt SD Burman?
From Taxi Driver to Guide.
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nalini (@ 169.*) on: Mon Mar 15 09:21:23
Ramji, yes - SDB is one of my all time favourites. We went a round with our SDB faves a while ago. Please join in with yours.
I think I mentioned this before but any Anuradha (the movie) fans here? - music by Ravi Shankar. My favourite is "Jaane kaise sapnon mein kho gayi akhiyan".
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Mon Mar 15 14:03:48
Yes, Nalini, that is a good song. What are the other songs in Anuradha?
I liked Ravi Shankar's "Haye re woh din kyoon na aaye" sung by Lata. Superb stuff !!!
As for Ravindra Jain, my favourite composition of his is "Dil mein tujhe bitake" sung by Lata in "Fakira". "Do panchi" sung by Aarti Mukherjee and Kishore, "Har haseen Cheez Ka main talabgaar hoon" ,"Ghunghroo ki taraah" by Kishore deserve special mention. Of course other good ones are Chitchor, Sunaina etc.
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Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmx*) on: Mon Mar 15 14:05:13
Oops, missed out Saudagar. "Tera mera saath rahe" by Lata, "Sajna ke liya" by Asha are good songs too.