Significance of the Maasi Maham-Siva & Sakthi Valipaadu

As I have clearly stated at the very beginning that as, it was me who asked you to provide definitions of all the terms I have listed and you must define them after sorting the list. So far, you have done none of that and miserably failed in every aspect of that and every attempt you have made in constructing the definitions. For me, that is more than sufficient to prove what I said earlier, that you yourself will prove it to be true; and you have brilliantly done that for me.

When you misunderstand Avaita, you won't have problems.

Clearly you did not see any problems with any of your definitions on Advaita and other until I repeatedly pointed them out to you.

When you understand Advaita you will have problems.

It is so obviously clear that I am facing some serious problems in making you realise your utter misunderstanding of the whole subject.

Thank you :D

Dear Rohit
So far, you have done nothing of that and miserably failed in every aspect of that and every attempt you have made in constructing the definitions.

As usual you have the same words of "miserably failed". Keep going.

Dear Pradheep,

You yourself have proved my point and beyond. There is nothing more to keep going on about, thank you.

Anyway, nice to know and show your (mis)understanding of everything.

Good luck. :wave:

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Originally Posted by pradheep

In thelast postyou simply argued that Buddha refuted vedic ideas, but your back bone collpased when you could not explain why Buddha used vedic mantra and vedic meditation. when that rock foundation was blasted.

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A recent article by Professor Toshifumi Goto published in the Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies may be of interest. Professor Goto does not directly address the issue of meditation or use of mantras, but analyses the core beliefs. He examines the origin of the four types of suffering in Buddhism and argues that Buddhism has "inherited the reflections on birth and death found in the old Upanishads, and further explicated them" but, because Buddhism sought to "deliver the ordinary people from their concrete suffering", it adopts a more "realistic" worldview which "endeavors to elucidate the causality of existence in Samsara without admitting the existence of... Atman".

http://users.primushost.com/~india/e...202article.pdf

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You yourself have proved my point and beyond. There is nothing more to keep going on about, thank you.

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Dear Rohit
You remember our first discussion where I said "One cannot even define "sweet", which is the experience most of us experience every day. Then how can one define any thing else. Nothing can be defined only pointed out.

You know this fact and that is why you hide from defining anything. Yes continue your hiding. But thanks to you for giving me a chance to point out things that would help others.

dear aravindhan
thanks for the post. I will read it by this week end and get back to you.

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Originally Posted by Pradheep

Nothing can be defined only pointed out.

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Yes Pardheep, "nothing" can be defined, only if you know how.

But sadly, you have clearly demonstrated to everyone and now you are confirming that too, that you have nothing to define.

Unfortunately, you only have appeal to ignorance, behind which you desperately wish to hide your excruciating experience of utter bafflement without any success whatsoever for which I am extremely sorry to point that factual reality out to you.

Please do carry on with such fallacies.

Perhaps someday, like others, you may too succeed in defining something.

Until then, Good luck :D :wave:

Perhaps someday, like others, you may too succeed in defining something.


if you think so, it applies to you too.

My dear Pradheep, please observe and control your thoughts.

Like someone said elsewhere in the forum that thoughts give rise to desires and wishes, and if those desires and wishes are not fulfilled, they give rise to sorrow that leads to anger and eventually to the loss of memory, delusions, hallucinations and then to a total destruction.

Fortunately, each and every outcome from every discussion we had between us, has given me nothing more or nothing less than a pure satisfaction; there is no jealousy in me whatsoever by observing your wobbling thoughts. :wink: :lol:

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someone said elsewhere

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look ! who has loss of memory (and of course delusions....hallucinations and destruction).

Yes Pradheep, you are absolutely right about that someone, I was referring to. Please keep us posted on his conditions. Thanks!

Dear Pradheep and Rohit
I would request you to PM each other till you come to an agreement as your posts do not relate to this topic.

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Originally Posted by viggop

Dear Pradheep and Rohit
I would request you to PM each other till you come to an agreement as your posts do not relate to this topic.

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No Viggop, let them do it here! I want to watch!

Dear Aravindhan
Thanks for the link.

You are right aravindhan, the difference in understanding vedanta and buddhism comes from the usage of "Atman". Vedanta is like solving a mathematical problem using "x" for unknown and finally one get's the value of X and the problem is solved.

Buddhism tries to arrive at an answer refuting the very "X" factor and therefore the whole teaching collapases in the end. Buddhism deines atman but talks about rebirth and so unanswered question is, what is reborn?. Since gross body perishes, therefore something that is subtle should be there to be re-born. Buddhist rejects that 'something" and equally suffers in answering that which is re-born.

Vedanta on the other hand uses atman (individual atma as jiva, which in reality none) in the equation like the unknown X factor and finally when one enquires, understands there is no jiva-atma (separate) but only one, which due to an error appears as many. The X =1 and that 1 appears as many.

For sankara it was a piece of cake to defeat buddhists, but it was a challenge with mimamsa's. It is easy to teach some one who is ignorant of a subject, but is very difficult to correct someone who has understand the concept wrongly. Mimasa's were in the second state. Infact, whole life is only an error to be corrected.

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Originally Posted by Defenceless Pradheep

Buddhism denies Atman........Buddhist rejects that 'something".

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At last Pradheep has finally managed to understand Buddha's original teachings in the right context, that there is absolutely no place for "Atman/Brahman/God" in Buddhism. By accepting that fact about Buddhism, Pradheep has now accepted and confirmed my mutually exclusive principle, which operates between [Atman/Brahman/God] and [Buddha's Sunyata].

[Atman/Brahman/God](XOR)[Buddha's Sunyata :arrow: Nirvana = Complete negation of "Atman/Brahman/God"]

When I unequivocally proved, what Pradheep calls "X or something", was, in fact, absolutely nothing in the evolution thread, Pradheep mendaciously kept distorting the very teachings of Buddha in desperation and ended-up taking refuge in Buddhism. Undoubtedly, when my proofs rendered him completely defenceless at the end, Pradheep had no choice but to quit in utter disgrace, carrying yet another washed-up defeat. :notworthy:

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Originally Posted by Pradheep

Buddhism denies atman but talks about rebirth and so unanswered question is, what is reborn?

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Having said that Pradheep; for the benefit of all readers, could you please now elaborate on exactly what is reborn in "Advaita" or else, who is that, which does think that "one" will be reborn in "Advaitic worldview"?

Dear Rohit
Great to know that you are an ardent fan of an insane, schizophrenic guy. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by pradheep

Great to know that you are an ardent fan of an insane, schizophrenic guy. Thank you.

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No Pradheep, not an ardent fan, but a concerned sympathiser!

However, I do like the way you keep distorting your perceptions every now and then; and then watch you go under the deep spell. :wink: :D

Dear Rohit
Thank you

Aravindhan, thanks for posting the link to that article. :)

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Originally Posted by pradheep

Dear Rohit
Thank you

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You are welcome Pradheep.

Please, do take care of yourself and be careful with your perceptions. Don't let them lead you into the vicious spiral of never-ending regress.

Good luck! :wave:

which of course reminds us of the promised bike.
:mrgreen:

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Originally Posted by hehehewalrus

which of course reminds us of the promised bike. :mrgreen:

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3HW,

As my so-referred penpal has lost his non-existent horse once again, obviously you too have lost your chance to borrow the horse as your wish target, which once again, haplessly leaves you with your non-existent bike.

As the situation stands as it is, I am sure you wouldn’t fail to figure out why I am facing the same conflicting situation as before and why you may loose your hard-earned reputation this time. Therefore, it is entirely up to you whether to disappoint yourself or not. :wink: :)

Dear hehehewalrus
Be positive in life,..... you have the "Soonya" Bike and Soonya-horse to ride on. Enjoy.

3HW,

If you are still flabbergasted, allow me to furnish you with the four clear choices from which to choose the bike or the horse.

1. As mental images – Neither created nor produced
2. As wishful targets for conversion – The process of self-deception
3. Created – Extravagant chain of constructions
4. Corporeal – Evolution and human exertions

Good luck! :wink:

Rohit and pradheep, thanks for your eager inputs to help me :)

What is a bike if not a mere horse with some "Special Effect Sounds"?
Hence I will choose to go with the horse itself :mrgreen:

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1. As mental images – Neither created nor produced
2. As wishful targets for conversion – The process of self-deception
3. Created – Extravagant chain of constructions
4. Corporeal – Evolution and human exertions

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dear hehe
our friend proves everything is only "soonya' and remember that means our friend's head too. Atleast from my-side, I am atleast "real". What about you ? Hehehe

dear pradheep,
i have absolutely no idea about what either of you are talking. I am merely sponsoring a bike to the winner but dont know who is winning :D

dear hehe
there is no winner and loser,only the ego-mind thinks of winning and losing.

Then why did u guys have such a 50 page battle in the Evolution v God thread?

Too bad the contest is over, I have to find an alternate place to advertise the bike :cry:

Dear Hehehe
I dont want to comment on others, but let me make myself clear. I am fighting with my own Ego which is manifested everywhere in different forms and through that I am seeing my 'Self" which is everywhere.

Well done Pradheep for reconfirming your"Self" as absolutely nothing/non-existent. If you don't remember how and where, please click here:
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewt...=4467&start=75
:thumbsup: :D

for reconfirming your"Self" as absolutely nothing/non-existent

Dear Rohit
I feel sorry for you that you are now sufferring from memory loss too. You are the soonya vadi and say everything is nothingness. Any way sinceyou donthave a brainhow can i expect you tohave memory and sensetoo.it is all soonya....nothingness.

One more normalised reaction, in a "goagabooo" way. :thumbsup:

2N+172 :notworthy:

You are forgetting again, "goagabooos" and "zoossanoooos" don't use brains; simply because they don't have one. There is an obvious difference between energy and "goagabooo" or "zoossanoooo" Brahman. The neural energy in the brain must remain active to remember that precise difference. Of course, how would you or could you ever know the difference when "The one "goagabooo" Without a Second" is inspiring you. :thumbsup: :D :)

Today the 13th of March 2006, is the day of "Masi Maham'' as per Vaakkiya Panchangam. While today's ruling natchaththiram is ''Maham'', the full moon falls on the 14th of March 2006.

Brought forward for the benefit of new Readers

Thank you virarajendra for bringing it back.

Brought forward for the benefit of the New Readers

Brought forward for the benefit of New Readers

All Please listen to this mantra

truely AWSOME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iRdz...eature=related