Lara in odis same level as Sachin? :roll:
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Lara in odis same level as Sachin? :roll:
kanavunnAlum oru nyaayam vENAmA?
More than Sachin fans' fanaticism in this forum (most Sachin fans are not even posting regularly, including me) I find Sachin haters' meticulously planned attempts to throw mud at him quite frequently.
Kalikaalam.
Thalaivanukku muththirai kuthhtiyaachu ...
Ningale podathappo naanum podalai. But still if anybody wants to vote for sachin here are the reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achieve..._Tendulkar#ODI
Most runs in an ODI Innings: Sachin Tendulkar holds the record for maximum number of runs scored in one ODI innings. He is the only batsman to score 200 runs (147ball 25x4 3x6) in an ODI against South Africa.[11][12]
Most runs: 17,598 Runs at the rate of 45.12 runs for every time he has gotten out (as of 18 October 2010). He is the leading run scorer in the ODI format of the game and the only player ever to cross the 14,000-15,000-16,000 and 17,000 run marks.
First player to reach 10,000-11,000-12,000-13,000-14,000-15,000, 16,000 and 17,000 ODI runs.
Holds the record for scoring 1,000 ODI runs in a calendar year. He has done it seven times - 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2003 and 2007
Tendulkar has scored over 1000 ODI runs against all major Cricketing nations.
Tendulkar is the only batsman to score over 3000 runs against any opponent (Australia). Tendulkar is also the only batsman to achieve the feat runs against two opponents - Sri Lanka is the other team.
After Sachin crossed the 10,000-run mark in ODIs, only seven other players have managed to cross the milestone: (Sanath Jayasuriya, Sourav Ganguly, Rahul Dravid, Ricky Ponting, Brian Lara, Inzamam ul Haq, and Jacques Kallis).
Sachin was the fastest to reach 10,000 runs taking 259 innings and has the highest batting average among batsmen with over 10,000 ODI runs
Tendulkar has scored 1833 runs in finals; Tendulkar also ranks very high in terms of all-time averages in finals: among those who've scored at least 1000 runs in finals, only three have a higher average. One of them is India's current coach, Gary Kirsten - in 20 innings, he scored 1019 runs at an excellent average of 69.73. Tendulkar's stats are very similar to those of Viv Richards, who averaged 55.73 at a strike rate of 84.78 in 17 finals.
Tendulkar holds the record for the highest individual score in a One Day International when he scored 200 not out breaking the previous record of 194 in the India v. South Africa ODI on 24 February 2010. This also saw him become the first male cricketer in the planet to score a double century in a One Day International. Earlier Belinda Clark has scored 229* in women cricket.
Tendulkar holds the record for the most fours ( boundaries ) in an innings. He hit 25 fours in the innings against South Africa on on 24 February 2010 when he scored double century.
Only player to score 5, 150+ (186*, 152, 163*, 175 and 200*)scores in ODI cricket, followed by Sanath Jayasuriya of Srilanka with 4, 150+ scores in ODI
Centuries and Fifties record:
Most centuries: 46
Only cricketer to ever score a double hundred in the ODI format - against South Africa at Gwalior, India.
Most centuries against an opponent - 9 vs. Australia.
Most centuries vs. Australia, South Africa, Kenya, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and Pakistan.
Most centuries in Final Matches 6 & India Win All Matches
Most centuries against One Team - Australia 20 (11 test+9 ODI)
Most Fifties: 93.
Highest number of 50+ scores in ODIs - 139 (46 Centuries and 93 Fifties).
Only player to have over 100 innings of 50+ runs along with Ricky Ponting
Most Fifties in World Cup Matches(13)
ODI awards:
Most Man of the Match Awards: 61 Man of the Match Awards
Most Man of the Series Awards: 15 Man of the Series Awards
Calendar Year record:
Most ODI runs in a calendar year: 1,894 ODI runs in 1998.
Most Centuries in a calendar year: 9 ODI centuries in 1998
Partnership Records:
Sachin Tendulkar with Sourav Ganguly hold the world record for the maximum number of runs scored by the opening partnership. They have put together 6,609 runs in 136 matches that includes 21 century partnerships and 23 fifty run partnerships.[13]
The 20 century partnerships for opening pair is also a world record.
Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid hold the world record for the highest partnership in ODI matches when they scored 331 runs against New Zealand in 1999 at the LBS, Hyderabad[14]
Sachin Tendulkar has been involved in six 200 run partnerships in ODI matches - a record that he shares with Sourav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid.[15]
Most runs (1,796 at an average of 59.87 as on 20 March 2007) in World Cup Cricket History including 4 centuries & 13 fifties with a best score of 152* against Namibia in 2003 world cup
673 runs in 2003 Cricket World Cup, highest by any player in a single Cricket World Cup
Player Of The World Cup Tournament in the 2003 Cricket World Cup.
523 runs in the 1996 Cricket World Cup at an average of 87.16, making him the highest run scorer in the 1996 World Cup and setting the then record for the highest runs by any player in a single Cricket World Cup - subsequently bettered by himself in the 2003 World Cup
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Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
LM, sirichadhu not even half bit kku...Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Just to bring to context this whole discussions, Maddy wanted to know why Sachin was selected without polls since every position is being done with polls and i too dont see any harm in having one for Sachin as well - whether he wud win 50-0 or 100-0 wud be immaterial anyways..
I dont understand the logic behind 'its insulting to keep a poll for him' argument when you guys reject the same for other players... that's why i put in my point about Lara. I find it insulting to have a poll for Lara and infact dont even remember if i voted for him (havent voted for any of the positions IIRC) in the poll.. same would be applicable for bowlers, Akram kellam pollaa nu Maddy kepparu, I would back Ambrose.. others wud have many more options - why cant we have the poll - we perhaps might have Venkatesh Prasad as one of the options, but who cares!!
I do agree on the point of a worthy competitor. Ponting is there for #3 and perhaps no opp of that calibre is available for openers (with two slots being available!). But Dilshan laam poll la irukkan insulting is a biased argument illaya?! coz we had Martin/Yousuf etc for #3.. it wasnt a poll with just Lara and Ponting at #3 citing worthiness.. if we had just two choices for the poll for #3 i agree we cud have perhaps done away with the poll for #1 (with the other opener selected)..
RK :P
Nerd, you can lol all you want at the choice but IMNSHO Lara wud walk into any ODI/Test team post 90's 8-)
Directhit....The reasons are
1)In , ODI's Lara is nowhere comparable to Sachin and people like jayasurya have done far better than Lara. Ponting has a better record than Lara in ODI's.
2)Sachin in undeniably the greatest ODI player ever - now after 90's.. :huh:
3)Akram may face serious competition from ambrose, mcgrath ..which is not the case with Sachin.
4) Its a privelage that ONLY sachin have and dont expect Lara's and others to to have the same privelage and be holded in the same esteem in ODI's.
ada paavingala....poll-a poteengala..post pananpuramthaan paakuren!..ohh title-a number 0ne positionukkaa? :ashamed:
ritu vote-a kuthitu poite irukka vendiyadhuthan!....
Sehwagku 4 votes yaaru? Especially when sourav himself has voted sachin :)
(One was Riyazz i think)
Sourav, ungaLukku mEla sehwag fans indha forumla irukkAnga. Andha karuppu aadugaLai kaNdu pidiyunga :-)
Sourav :notworthy:. unga nermai enakku pudichurukku :lol:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourav
Repeat
Rule: all positions need a poll because opinions differ fairly evenly in favour of various candidates
Exception: #1 doesnt need a poll because opinions cannot differ that big here - even sehwag fans vote sachin and in general, even ian chappell, as biased as they can get, cannot deny sachin's'undisputed choice.
This is a classic case of an exception proving the rule - and it is not without reason that such a concept exists among learned and wise folks from whom we ordinary mortals can learn - in that, the exceptional case is unique and represents a polarisation of opinion of thew scale that is normally impossible. Therefore, barring such extraordinary cases, poll is necessary is proven by this very special case.
Exception proving the rule enbadharku idhu dhaan arththam
From your arguments maddy, it seems to me that you do not get this concept. No offence, for this also means that i havent articulated the concept well enough(maybe feeyaar can). This is not a personal référence - just an observation.
To me, exception proving a rule is an important concept because very often i see people taking this exception and thinking they have disproven the rule.
pointe adhuthan!..Lara is not worthy of a "unopposed candidate" in ODI's. People like Aravindha,Ponting are there and the fact that Lara is not the best One down player in ODI's ...I dont find the reson behind this point at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by directhit
If at all Lara has proved to be the best ODI one down - I am damn sure that he would have been selected without a poll..considering his reputation in Test matches/Cricket...
If there is no warne - murali is unoppsed
If there is no murali - warne would be unopposed spinenr in the side...simple!
but ippo as there are two greats - a poll would obviously be put up if the combination requires just one spinenr and three pacemen.
If the combination requires two spinners in the team - I am damn sure that warne and murali will be selected without a poll.
Warne-Murali - eagerly looking forward to. Neraya pEru tea kudippom
Team-la 1 spinner kettadhukku Warne v Murali varanumgaradhum oru reason :wink:. CSK-naala Muralikku adhiga vote vizhundhurumo :omg:.
Sourav regarding avasara adi:
Idi, minnal, puyal, mazhai - eppOvAvadhu varum. Gayle, dilshanlAm apdi thAn
Viru - always adhe adidhadi. Avasara adi because of his tendency to place urgency above everything else. Also because he can summon it anytime he wants and (as of now) failure is only in his hand, not the bowler's' ofcourse, that will change soon when his eyesight deteriorates but appO pArthukkalAm.
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Originally Posted by Plum
enakkum yaarnu therla. 1 is riyazz...ganguly also got 1 vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
:roll: ootureengalanu therla... kutthumathippa pottu vaikkuren... Ty. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
Anticipatory bail? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
Warne in ODIs? What recordyA? World Cup semis record and all against thennappirikka, who as the name indicates aapaduchufy themselves against spin, and west indies :lol:
Plum :notthatway: That 96 semi final is a stuff of legends. Aussies were defending a meagre 204 and WI were going great guns. Warne almost singlehandedly pulled back Aussies into the game. And WI in 96 was a formidable team.
:exactly: this move tantamounts to declaring sachin as the "only" great in ODIs........Quote:
Originally Posted by directhit
point - Lara great-ngradhunaala, did u just compare him with ponting - ella chinna pasangaloda dhaane poll vechhaanga - lara fans-kku mattum idhu insulting illayaQuote:
Originally Posted by directhit
absolutelyQuote:
Originally Posted by directhit
nan teriyama opena sollitanu nenikiran.......... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sourav
LM, i remember that match. Arthurton and all :lol:
Except Lara, and to some extent Richie, rest of the batsmen were kathakaLi artists. Inspite of all that, phenomenal achievement ofcourse. For instance, can bhajji do that against even bangladesh in semis in a situation like that? I doubt it.
Granted those but his overall ODI record is not that compelling, imo.
Worldcup knockout performance mattum vechu pArthA, Ponting will be greater than Sachin
:violently_disagree: to that.
Yeah in ODIs, Warne will get some stiff competition from Saqlain Mushtaq. Apart from that I don't see any competition in the horizon :wink:
yabba - my points would be interpreted multiple ways and SSLC fail-nnu prove panniduvaanga :lol: .......its better we take it offline or talk abt it when this heat settles down....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramakrishna
No, I was serious. ennadhaan Sehwag fan-a irudhaalum nyaayamaa pesunadhukku :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourav
Also I like this name 'Avasara Adi'. Reminds me of 'Avasara Adi' Ranga :P.
Who said that? Now this is what you call twisting the arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
There are many players who have done better than Lara in no.3 position. Ponting has almost 3 times of runs of Lara. Whichever way you look at it, Lara's stature in ODIs is significantly lesser. To be fair to Lara, he had accomplished much more in tests and was always expected to replicate the same in ODIs. That's a burden he has to live with.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Not just Bhajji. Not many spinners would have pulled that off in a similar situation. Warne patthi pesa vendiyadhu niraiya irukku. Andha therdhal-la pesuvom :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Even I don't remember how many wickets Warne had taken in ODIs. I just think him as a worthy contender for a lone spinner spot.Quote:
Granted those but his overall ODI record is not that compelling, imo.
Worldcup knockout performance mattum vechu pArthA, Ponting will be greater than Sachin
:violently_disagree: to that.
i felt, asking for a poll itself was from someone who doesent understand cricket......i always would like to keep the arguements abt subject and not personal preferences or capability of people arguing it........Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
sachin doesent have any competitors in opening - ok........LM, i feel sachin should also come under process/rules and u guys feel he is beyond that.........i really dunno how to resolve this...... :)
Nope!..Lara/Others is not THAT great(ODI ODI) apdingradhuthaan vishayam..If bradman is selected right away for number 3 in Tests - It doesnot mean there are no other greats in Test Cricket.It just means that Bradman is considered the greatest batsman in the Test History.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Adheethaan ingayum!
Maddy,
There is a difference between understanding cricket and following cricket regularly. And it was never intended to refer you or anyone in this forum.
I don't understand the need of a poll for selecting Sachin when it is established that he is the greatest ODI opener of all time. You bring someone similar for any position and ask for unanimous selection, now that's fair.
If you haven't noticed, I am arguing that Bevan should be an automatic choice for batting at 6.
avasara adi. thread title-a kooda vaikkalam pola... athan ippo plum thottathellam hit aaguthey. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
Sigh, I was supposed to be in office by 9 AM. Meedhi panchayathu office-kku ponappuram :wave:
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Originally Posted by Nerd
Enakku Sachin pidikkum/pidikkaadhu - idhu opinion
Who is the best ODI opener - idhula eppadi maatru karuthu irukka mudiyum? :confused2:
enaku poll vechathu kooda insulting-a theriyala. Aana Sourav-ku oru vote vizhunthirukku, who is that karuppu aadu :evil:
Jesus christ :fatigue: :sigh2:
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Originally Posted by Ramakrishna
Sachin haters!Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
i m not a sachin hater...... i prefer sehwag.....Quote:
Originally Posted by 19thmay
sehwag is not a self gamer..........
Sehwag is not a self-gamer na avaru gaaji-ya vera yaravadhu aaduvaingala?
Aff courseQuote:
Originally Posted by 19thmay
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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
appadina?Quote:
Originally Posted by Riyazz
he is not play for records.......Quote:
Originally Posted by 19thmay