no pa,no problem,continue...as long The Hj's Copying is spreaded! 8)
i know..im evil!!! :twisted: :evil:
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no pa,no problem,continue...as long The Hj's Copying is spreaded! 8)
i know..im evil!!! :twisted: :evil:
i cant remember the song right now - a song in 'enga anna' (duet for prabhu deva & swarna "jayendra":D malya is a direct lift off from "yamunai aatrile eera kaatrile"
check out the elephunk theme song from BlackeyedPeas... Direct lift of a song from IR's Sri Raghavendra.. Should IR sue this band for using his song like bappi lahari?
http://www.danceage.com/media/276-Bl...s-Elephunk.php
Wyclef Jean used ARR's Kya Dakhe Rahen - Taal for his album Preacher's Son
song tittle :
Rebel Music
http://www.smokecds.com/mp3/129716.mp3
many might not recognize this song,its Kya Dakhe Rahen - Taal,anc additional track for the DVD video..also included in the audio CD but not in cassettes....
I believe the song "chella kiLiyO chella kiLiyO" in ChellamE is a mix of several known numbers. Any thoughts?
Raja kaiya vecha song is used for the latest 7up ad.
Cool dinesh.... Wow thats nice. Has he given credit to ARR?
Does BGM find a plce here? HJ's Samurai had the song from "Gladiator" as one of its main themes playing throughout the movie.
Srikanth Deva, one of the worst MDs of our times, has used "Maha ganapthim"'s opening lines in his "chennai senthamizh" song from M.Kumaran s/o Mahalakshmi. Like father, like son.
I remember hearing a song with Ajith in it with the background music from the movie Mortal Kombat! It was Kiss Me Miss in Kaluri Vaasal...
Even the opening lines of Iyengaru veetu azhage is just Mahaganapathim.
In the Sugumari song there comes a veena bit which is from Sampurna Ramayanam, IIRC (Malayalil padum ragam edhu? and then the veena).
Veda, Music director of Jaishankar days was an expert in copying Hindi songs to suit tamil . Most of his songs are clear and straight copying from Hindi hit songs.
Not to forget Shankar Ganesh , specialists in copying.
Originals are from MSV and IR . They are genius in their own right.
Not only the opening lines vijayr, The whole song is 100% ditto of the maha ganapathim !Quote:
Originally Posted by vijayr
NagaS
sadly no :PQuote:
Originally Posted by alias
here are complete lifts from Hj in Anniyan ( From ARR )
I have recorded only the copied bits so its easy to listen,here!!
1.Kumari ( 1) En Uyri Tozhiyea (1)
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176425/En_Uyir1.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176448/kumari_1.mp3.html
-Style!! how the piano & the female voice introduction
2.Kumari ( 2) En Uyir Tozhiyea (2)
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176476/En_Uyir2.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176505/kumari_2.mp3.html
- how the male singer sings the line & female voice enters with using same word for Guys ( Kumara & Un Uyir Tozhiyea)
3.Kumari (3) Baba Kichu Kichu
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176352/Baba_Kumari.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176398/Kumari_baba.mp3.html
- Do i need to say more,listen to ur self!
4.Randaka Gopala
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176538/Gopala.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176519/Randaka.mp3.html
- Starting beat,i think the tempo is diff!!
5.Kadhal Yaanai Sa Re Ga Me
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176547/sare_game.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176560/k...yanai.mp3.html
-Same style ( is it coz of genre? )
6.Iyengaaru Narumugaye
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176584/Narumugaye.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176573/Iyengaaru.mp3.html
-Pure class copy!! only tempo is diff.... ( is this veenai in any original carnatic music ?? if it is,please accept my appology)
7.Discovered by Aravind :
Iyengaaru Sneghidene
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176884/Snegithane.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3176849/aiyangaru.mp3.html
-Hmmm....eventhough 9 secs,lift is still a lift!
Not only Vedha, Shanker Ganesh, Deva.... many music dorectors copying from Hindi tunes or from old tunes.....
S.A.Rajkumar will compose 10 songs with one tune.
In previous days we can easily find out what are all copied tunes, because there will be verieties of tunes. But now..?????
See, what is the different in tunes for the following songs:
Appadi podu...podu...podu...
Dhimsukattai...ai...ai..dhimsukattai....
Aalthotta boopathy naanada....
Machaan peru madurey......
Nee endha ooru naan endha ooru.....
all are 'xerox' of one tune.
Recently in "Raaga Maaliga" programme (in Jaya TV) SPB came as judge. One male singer sung Ilaiyaraja's "Pazhamuthir chollai unakkagathaan" (varusham 16). Suddenly SPB pointed out that, this song is from R.D.Burman's Hindi tune, and SPB sung the Hindi song also.
IR has plenty of inspired songs from old HFM MDs. saradha, do you remember atleast a couple of the words of the RDB song which SPB mentioned?
Hello,Quote:
Originally Posted by vijayr
Pls pls for heaven's sake do not drag IR here. IR is God's gift to Tamil music and nobody can reach his levels .
Lets not drag IR here and also MSV . They are genius in their way.
Their contribution to Tamil music cannot be measured.
When making allegations, please substantiate with the song names so that we can verify.
By the by, RD Burman was named Chor D Burman in Usenet RMIM newsgroups for his countless lifts :lol: :lol:
I hasten to add that there was one song which is quite similar toQuote:
Originally Posted by hehehewalrus
Oru vaanavil polay ( kaatrinilay varum geetham ) of IR
and Kabi kabi mere dhil may ( Kabi kabi )
I am not sure but it resembles.
I am a diehard fan of IR but I am compelled to mentioned this as I personally felt that the songs are similar.
Sneghidene itself is inspired (not lifted) from "Neramidhu Neramidhu Nenjil oru paatezhuthu"Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
S. Balaji, every MD has been listed in this thread. IR and MSV are no exceptions. Lets not get biased.
BTW, snehidhane and neramidhu have absolutely nothing in common.
IR's 100 Varusham - Panakkaran was inspired from Mere angne mein - Lawaris.
The 'Azhagaey Brammanidam' song from 'Devadhayai Kandaen' by our "Kollywood Xerox Inc" CEO, Deva, is a rehash of his another song from 'Sound Party' featuring Satyaraj and (late) Pratyusha.
The song is "kaalayil pennae nee..." and was played endlessly throughout the day daily at Thiruvanmiyur bus terminus. ( Man, the guys at the terminus have just 2 cassettes and they play them repeatedly throughout the day... the songs, the ADs everything follow a sequence which you get used to... but thats another story). I happen to note that song while waiting for the bus.
One thing we should appreciate (or skin him, whatever) is, he never tires to use the same song's tune till it becomes noticeable.
Another example is, the 'Pulveli pulveli' song from 'Aasai'. Its a rehash of a song (i dont remember the lyric, though) from an obscure movie 'Ilavarasi' (in which Anju of 'Keladi Kanmani' fame acted as heroine).
The opening scene in 'Saami' which has Saami fighting with the Inspector has the BGM straight lifted from BBC World Service News music. God bless BBC.
Our own KTV theme (or logo or whatever) music is lifted (a noteable bit) from Star Wars theme music. God bless Star Wars.
Cheers,
Vj.
Regarding MSV, I want to point to one thing:
He composed for many Tamil Films which were remade from Hindi. The original Hindi tunes would be very popular in Tamil Nadu. But he never touches that Hindi tunes and he made in hin own (original) way.
Some of the films are:
1) Aaradhana....... (Sivakamiyin Selvan)
2) Chacha Joota....(Ninaiththathai Mudippavan)
3) Yadhon Ki Baarath... (Naalai Namadhey)
4) Bhramhachari... (Enga Mama)
5) Mamtha... (Kaaviya Thalaivi)
6) Kilona... (Engirundho Vandhaal)
7) Johny Mera Naan... (Raja)
8) Dhushman.... (Needhi) ... and somany films.
But MSV never used the original Hindi tunes, but he made his own original tunes only.
But you see in 'Vidudhlai' film MD Chandrabose used 'Laila..o.lalila' (Qurbani) tune.
KVM also used 'Caravan' tune in 'Anaadhai Anandhan' (kannadi munnadi thalladi thallaadi vandaaga aadattumaa). He also used Aradhana tune 'kunku naa rahe' in his film Arunodhayam as 'Enga veettu thanga theril endha naalum thiru vizhaa'.
The old MD Vedha (Modern Theatres) openly tell that he is copying Hindi tunes only. But when he composed music for AVM's "Adhey Kangal", AVM Chettiar told him that he should not touch any Hindi tunes for even a single song. So, he compossed all tunes in original in "Adhey Kangal" (the super thriller and suspense film and a milestone for Ravichandran).
Kunguma pottin magalam - From Kudiiruntha koil was inspired from a Hindi movie I dont remember ( tu jena prema etc etc ) but fine tuned by MSV
Shankar Ganesh , in the movie Vellikizamai viradham and Aatukkara alamelu , very cooly copied the guitar tune - DADAN DAN , DADAN DAN !!! from Bobby
The greatness of Shankar Ganesh is they will be the first to take advantage of hits.
ALso, maygamay maygamay ( vani jayaram ) in palai vana cholai, another take from Shankar Ganesh from Hindi
ALso orya jeevan onray ullam ( Neeya ) is taken from Nageena - Hindi movie.
Again our friends Shankar Ganesh only !!!
Hello Balaji...
Reagarding Vedha and Shanker Ganesh, we no need to mention each and every song they copied from Hindi. It is well known. Even Deva also (he will copy from Hindi, Telugu, Malayalam and old Tamil tunes and devotional songs also).
For example: "Padhinettu vayasu Ila mottu manasu...yengudhu paai poda" (film: sooriyan) was stolen from a devotional hit of Soolamangalam Rajalaxmi.
Rajan Nagendra's "Veettukku veedu vaasappadi" (film: V.V.Vaasapadi) was stolen from M.S.V.'s "Meenaattam kann konda meenaatchi" (film: Pillaiyo Pillai)
Hello Sharadha,
Yesterday's Veda is today's Deva !!! Just jumble Veda and you will get Deva !!!
That is the truth and Deva can never be original
Oru penn puraa ( Annamalai ) is a download from Jeeyay tu jeeyay ( from Saajan )
Ok, I accept IR and MSV are having their originality (very rare inspiration of other tunes).
When Veda, Deva, Shanker-Ganesh copying from other Tamil songs and HIndi songs, so we can easily find out and identify them.
But what about the present MDs.??. Are they fully original..??. As per my view all present songs are in same pattern (especially Vijay's group songs).
Can abybody guarentee that 'Yuvan Shanker Raja's tunes are fully (or mostly) original...?????. No picking from English albums..??. Comparing to YSR, Vidhyasagar is somewhat original.
There is a difference between outright copying and taking inspiration out of a song and adding value.
I think Sankar Ganesh, Deva , Veda will come under Outright copying and rest under latter.
There is a saying
Form is temporary , class is permanent - In cricket
For Greats like MSV and IR- Class is permanent
For others - also ran
VS is good, but not as good as you project him to be - For me he is just a modern IR - not in terms of quality, but his tunes are very IRish and sometimes go as near as 'copy', but he presents them in latest style and thats his success formula - I can never listen to a song and say "this is VS's song", then where is the question of originality ?Quote:
Originally Posted by saradhaa_sn
Ofcourse, he has given some great numbers like aalanguyil in parthiban kanavu, poo vaasam from anbe sivam etc., But when it comes to class, he is as good as any other MD today, not in IR / ARR class !
NagaS
Quote:
Originally Posted by NagaS
Barathwaj made two songs with same one tune:
1) Niyabagam varuthey...nyabagam varuthey... (Autograph)
2) Avaravar Vaazhkaiyil aayiram aayiram maatrangal... (Paandavar Boomi)
By the way, the song "Sollaayo solaikili"..(i dont know the MD) is the pure 'xerox' copy of Viswanatahn-Ramamoorthy's "Kallellaam Maanika kallaaguma" (Aalayamani).....
Quote:
Originally Posted by saradhaa_sn
the song "Sollaayo solaikili"..(i dont know the MD) - Its an A.R.Rahman song
ARR's levels are too high. I dont think he has time to hear other songs and get inspired.
All his composings should be original only