More on Kaamathuppaal in Kural ......
Dear Sudhaama,
Managed to get some time during travel.... to post a response.....
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Originally Posted by Sudhaama
Your reply to my Question regarding the Jainic Life-outlook on Kamaththu-paal ... is neither convincing... nor complete.
To be frank, your question itself was unfair. The question has been asked under the assumption that Jains have nothing to do with sex! If this is your assumption, then your theory should be relevant to Buddhism as well (which is also fundamentally a religion of monks)! There is a widespread mistaken notion that all Jaina writers should have been achararyas and therefore wouldn't have dwelt on subjects like "Love". Five years before, I myself was misled by this common belief that any chance of Valluvar's possible Jaina background should be ruled out because Kaamathuppaal exists!!!.
Moreover, your question gives the impressions that Jains do not breed and reproduce!
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Originally Posted by Sudhaama
For your Research- analysis,... I suggest your COMPARATIVE- STUDY on ... ...the parallel meanings of the three AUTHENTIC Urai-vallunars viz. Dharumar, Manakkudavar, Parimael-Azhahar... ...on each Paraphrase and Terminology... of Specific attraction to you. ..especially of DHARUMAR ...whose approach is found to be mostly of Jainic... ....because he was a Jain by himself
Thanks. I have Kasi Madam's comparative commentaries on all the five major commentators of Kural: Manakkudavar, Pariperumaal, Parithiar, Parimelazhagar and Kalingar. But I am not basing my conclusions on these commentaries. I didn't know Dharumar was a Jain. This is news to me. Hope you are aware the even Manakkudavar (the oldest commentator?) is also considered a Jain.
I am not sure if Dharumar's commentary is available in full...!!!?
Tiruvalluvar dating and Religion
Friends,
Let us Thank Shri. NVK Ashraf for his
//Dating of Tirrukkural: Like most literary works in India, dating of Kural has also been inconclusive. We can only speculate and no one can provide us a period and get away without any criticism. Must have been written any time between the 1st century AD to 6th Century AD. //
Ashrafji, Missionaries like G..U.Pope Dated Kural to 10th Cen, so that he can trace some Christian influence into it, and Caldwell dated Sangam to 9th Cen.
Thanks to Shri.Vaiyapuri Pillai, and others Scientific dating started. Sangam is now dated to 250BCE- 200 CE, and were Edited to present form close to 250-275CE.
Thirukural belongs to the end of this Period, as many smaller Sangam Poets has sung Thiruvalluvamalai. Linguistically Many deviations in Silapathikaram and Manimekhalai are absent in Kural and also Manimekhalai clearly refers Kural and Valluvar. Moreover from Longer Songs of Asiriappa and True to Life Songs in Sangam – More Discipline Oriented smallers Venpas form in PathinenKilkanakku and Kural is one of it. So appropriate dating for Kural could be 250-300 CE, i.e., 200 years later than Tholkappiyam dated to 50-100CE.
I quote Ashrafji-
// Next is the religion of Valluvar: So much has been talked about and written. The only widely accepted "NOTION" is that he must have been an "unorthodox" Hindu. However, Jaina claims are the most valid. I have been studying the Kural since 2000 and the more I dwell into it, the more I realize that the work is based on Jaina ideals and the names/attributes of God(s) Valluvar refer to in Chapter 1 are more apt to describe Jaina deities than that of any other faith.//
Ashrafji, again I feel most of us should CONCENTRATE on the Ist Athikaram’s last Kural - we have :
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Jainism is purely Agnostic even at many times close to Atheistic; Only your Actions could save you. This One Kural certainly makes that Valluvar was following Jainistic Ethos.
want lot more meaningful Discussion. Please enlighten us. Please, and link us to Your Website, and your idea has put me to have my own Website giving the Tamil Sangam and its background.
Let us all take this Opportunity to Salute the Greatest of Tamil Thondar Tamil Periyar and Tamil PerArignanar U.VE.Swaminathiar- if One were to Single out One Personality to have no Parellel for his Tamil works in 20th Cen, it would be U.Ve.Sa.
Bismala Great U.Ve.Saji also have given many Kural meaning references and said Kural is based on Veda, why do you not accept them? U.Ve.Sa’s Datings are subjective without much Scientifice basis of early 40s, and Pavanar and Maraimalai aadigal dates are totally rejeced for same reason. But U.Ve.Saji interpreted that Valluvar wrote Kural to preach Vedas which is Scientific.
Please do not take Authors to Couch your Falsehoods Bismalaji.
Devapriya