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rprasad, wat vijay says is true.....our dinesh has a list of IR songs which were inspired and it wud shatter u if go thru the list........if u want we can post them here......
basically i dunt think there is any need for ARR to copy......if a person can give a album like Mangal Pandey, y shuld he copy shankar-ganesh????that's a pathetic accusation........
listen to vaarayo thozhi and sona re....they r different pallavis....u get ur facts rite b4 accusing ARR....u better :D
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rprasad,
U contradict your self.
U asked vijay to keep his thoughts to himself and at the same breath asked him to refresh his knowledge? If you have the rights to your definitoin so does vijay!
All said, you accusations for lifts are absurd. U said ask anyone ... well so far 3 guys in this thread have disagreed with you, so does anyone , according to your definition , mean ur kith and kin?...
rprasad never meant to be harsh on you but jus wanna let you know ur like / dislike about a MD should not inflience ur decision.
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Music4ever, I can see some similiarity in phrases, for example "kuch dhoor chalthe hi" the second line comes very close to "indru theivadhu yedhanaal nilave". Good one there. Of course the meter is different, but the progression of notes is very similiar. The first line is different with only the ending notes being the same.
I am not ruling out the fact that both of these could have been inspired from an old HFM song. Because ghar se nikalthe came in the mid-90s and I dont think ARR had to get inspiration from Rajesh Roshan the MD for that song :-)There are lots of songs in old HFM/TFM in Kalyani/Yaman Kalyan.
Rajesh Roshan's father, Roshan himself composed the classic "zindagi bhar nahin" a Yaman Kalyan melody with eternal appeal. One of his fans happen to be IR.
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VIjay, i never said note by note lift( i should have been more clear i guess). I disagree that it is only a fleeting inspiration . The basic tune is exactly the same with different lyrics and you immediately notice it when you listen to both the songs.(thats enough to classify it as a lift for me) Anyway thats my opinion. and the lift is even more blatantly visible in the Pukar song. Yes Maddy, i am pretty sure that the tamil song was composed by Shanker Ganesh( i think its from a Visu movie. Lets not dismiss Shanker Ganesh they were a pretty decent music duo.I believe in giving all MD's equal respect) which was lifted by ARR. First listen to both the songs and then express your opinion. I jumped out of my chair when i listened to it the first time. And also check out the charanam from another song in Pukar again lifted straight from Devar Magan. Do not comment without listening .
Maddy , I know you are a ARR fan as i am an IR fan. So we have our own opinions on what songs are inspired. Lets not start a ARR vs IR war here. Everone has their own views on this topic and lets respect other's opinions .
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rprasad, only the 2 words "vaarayo en thozhi" are similiar to "oh mere sona.." everything else is different. If this is a lift, then IR has about 100 lifts.
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"And also check out the charanam from another song in Pukar again lifted straight from Devar Magan"
which song are you talking about? Sunta hai or some other song?
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Would you say that en purushan dhaan enakku mattum dhaan by IR is a lift? Probably not, although the entire first line is the same. You would call it an inspiration. Similiarly, Vaarayo en thozhiye is a fleeting inspiration at best, as just the opening 2 words bear resemblance.
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"U contradict your self.
U asked vijay to keep his thoughts to himself and at the same breath asked him to refresh his knowledge? If you have the rights to your definitoin so does vijay! "
Movies,
Either you did not read my post fully or you have a problem understanding what i said. Read my post carefully i said "keep it as your opinion and express it as such". If you can't understand this clearly i dont know what to say. Just because people disagree with my opinion that doesnt mean my opinion is absurd. I expressed my opinion so have others i have no problems with that. And also they have responded to only one song withoug commenting on other songs which i mentioned.anyway i just expressed my view that even ARR has lifted straight pallavis in his short career(eventhough the degree might vary with different people). If people disagree thats fine. I am not the person who thinks only IR is great and others are junk. I respect all the MD's equally. Its just my preference that i listen more to IR's songs and spend more time anlayzing his songs than others.
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I am sorry, so we lack defining knowledge and we also lack at understanding english is it?
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Thanks Vijayr for your input. As for straight lifts by ARR, I only remember musical bits (e.g. senthamizh naadenum podhinilE used as interlude in the song Amma thamizhamma (kangaLAl kaidhu sei), kousalya supraja rAma purvA in the song Margazhi poove). rprasad, can you specify which Pukar song you are referring and also that Shankar Ganesh number? The Suntha hai mera number is definitely inspired from kallellam mANikka kal Aguma but opinions could vary whether it is a straight lift like for example, Endha poovilum vaasam undu or Akkara cheemai azhaginilE.
Also, does anyone else also think that the song "MAman oodu machi oodu parisam podudhu kuchi voodu" is exactly the carnatic song "ra ra venu gopapala rAjitha sarguNa jeyaseela"?