Thani thread aa?. Full time fighting dhan appo. Give it a rest both of you :lol:
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Thani thread aa?. Full time fighting dhan appo. Give it a rest both of you :lol:
You are crediting England with only Ashes 20010/11 and India 2011 wins. Rest you are pooh-pooh'ing. That is denial.
Assess from Ashes 2009 win. Go series by series like I did and talk about the performances. How good the opposition was and how England performed against them.
In fact - issue a statement against the media campaign that England was pathetic when they lost in WIndies (and messiah Andy Flower appeared).
Actually I give up.
When reading clipping the posts out for this thread I read it serially. IMO that should more than suffice for anyone reading this thread to reach reasonable conclusions.
I have nothing more to add.
Plum you can take it as a victory, call me a liar and what not.
We have both failed to convince each other.
thread should read 'Ex ATG team England' :)
P_R, after Eng's brief reign @ top don't tell me you didn't expect this backlash..more so with Eng supporters/writers who were taking every opportunity to pooh-pooh the rankings/schooling us on how India were 'less deserving' in contrast to this no.1 Eng side with an endless supply of phast bowlers/young bats in the pink of health..ATG or not this Eng couldn't even scale up to that undeserving no.1 Indian side even though they had most things in their favour w.r.t young bats/phast bowlers being injury free/home tests to prolong their reign @ top..
what could have possibly gotten wrong :roll:
Two points i disagree.
1) Statistical error. Aus lost to SA in Aus before the 2009 Ashes. 2-1 They lost.
2) India losing the series was not a foregone conclusion. I will repeat till the day I watch cricket Zaheer's inclusion alone would have made a difference. Hell all england wishers were jumping up with joy when he pulled out after 1st day's 3 wickets. Eng beat a depleted India - that is a fact.
P.S: SA still have to beat Aus in home and it would be great to see how they do in Aus. I earlier asked in an other thread when SA is touring India. I don't see any fixture before 2015 WC which is a shame. Their No 1 status is already safe then. Pull them for a 4 test tour and prepare spin tracks let's see who is the No1.
Aus defeating SA will make SA no 2, eng no 3 and Aus 1. (Hypothetically speaking)
Ind defeating both Eng and Aus at home (hehehe) could push them back to 1 again. I would love to see your reaction then.
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See, that is exactly the point. You guys are reacting to the English media hype and ATG claims. ATG illainnu naanE paRpala thadavai solliyAchchu.
Who are you debating with then?
Who makes 'domination' as a yardstick? Who made the false allegation that Ashes '09 was dominated by Aus? Who has been devaluing every (both!) dominating series of England as - yeah, no big deal?
All for what? For my claim that England were #1 for longer than a year. Something I believe I have substantiated in the post Feddy has responded to above.
You are right. I stand corrected. Aus lost to SA in Aus in 2008.
However, the avenged themselves in the series before the 2009 Ashes was Aus in SA.
Agree to disagree.
koNdaanga adhaiyum rasichchu vaippOm :lol2: All homes are equal, all abroads are equal. Therefore, adhuvum oru isai :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
BTW, What is your prediction for Ind-eng series?. Ippove kettu vechukitta pinnala vasadhiya irukkum !
forget ATGness..Eng weren't worthy no.1 is my qualm..other than beating 'exhausted' India/OZ hacks what have they done..drew a series against Murali-less SL/whitewashed by 5th ranked Pak..basement rombae weak :huh:Quote:
ATG illainnu naanE paRpala thadavai solliyAchchu..Who are you debating with then?
freewheeling thinkers of the game :lol2: Indian side which was @ top for 20+ months was our best test side ever assembled andQuote:
Who makes 'domination' as a yardstick?
the overall consensus seems to be the same about OZ/WI no.1 test sides being their best sides ever..can you say the same about this Eng side which was touted to be one??..for starters Vaughan's side which won the Ashes against 'that' OZ side/overseas victory in WI/SA have checked more boxes than this side so there lies the difference imo
wizzy, beating only two weak teams..unselected. Plum kOvamA sonnadhai neenga polite-A solreenga. prachanai ellAm oNNu dhaan. I have described at length England's rise to the top - post Feddy quoted. I think that was a highly impressive run. Thassal.
unga captainukku idhu theriyumA :lol2:
Prediction: England won't win a single test and India will win the series.