Which industry is better moving forward in India?

[joe]

Lets discuss about which is better in moving forward among indian film industries . Compare the changes in recent years.

[joe]

Intha kadaikku yaarum vara maattanga polirukke :lol:

[kid-glove]

MalayaLam - Meh..sideways. That is nothing of a step forward to previous year or the previous year or the previous year..etc
Tamil - Still long time to go, but so far dreadful comp. to last year, no?
Kannada - :rotfl2: indha Girish Kasaravalli'lam 'industry'la serkkama irunga pliss..
Hindi - Definitely not forward. Shangai a disappointment, but still indha alavu evanum inga 'direct' panna illaiyE. adhaan kavalai. But as Plum said, remba hype vOnam. Maybe GoW would change my mind..
Telugu - Naan-E step forward in some ways for the industry, so adhulla irundhE theriyin enna nelamai'nu
Marathi - Hearing good stuff, but haven't really cared much. To hunt for decent rips and all, is a bore..
Bengali - No idea..

[SoftSword]

reading at ur title yesterday, i thot it was general and only when i came in i realized its abt cinema industry :)

[kid-glove]

Indha madhiri post'lam pOdadheenga pliss. Annan aarvam'a thread-a pOtta, ozhunga badhil sollanum..

[SoftSword]

pOya yOv... pOya..

[Nerd]

Joe, why?

[kid-glove]

For sake of humanity..

[cokepepsi]

What do you mean forward? If you mean all those technological changes and graphics every industry does wonders. If you consider talking sense, then every industry throws its share of garbages and gems. Its up to us to pick up what we want. Also "what you consider as moving forward" that answers the question.

[joe]

Joe, why?
Theriyama start panniten ..delete pannurathukku vazhi unda :lol:

[joe]

Its up to us to pick up what we want.
That is what I asked ..what is your pick ? Is this something serious error in a forum ? :huh:

[joe]

reading at ur title yesterday, i thot it was general and only when i came in i realized its abt cinema industry :)
If a topic is under 'Indian films' ,I thought it is related with Indian films .. isn't it?

[joe]

Moderators,
Looks like some serious error i did ..Pls remove this thread :)

[SoftSword]

If a topic is under 'Indian films' ,I thought it is related with Indian films .. isn't it?

attha naan modhalla note pannave illa joe.. :oops:
the bookmark i use lists all the threads with new posts..

[selvakumar]

Voted for Telugu Film industry :yes:

[groucho070]

When Tamizh movie moves forward with director like Mysskin, Shankar pulls it backward with big-budget garbage. My two cents.

[ajithfederer]

:lol: Groucho

[Mahen]

Voted for Telugu Film industry :yes:

Are u serious? :roll:

My vote techincal aspects-bollywood, kathai/thirakathai/music - tamil cinema...i hardly watch malayalam films.. :oops: so cant comment much

[Mahen]

When Tamizh movie moves forward with director like Mysskin, Shankar pulls it backward with big-budget garbage. My two cents.
:notthatway: technical aspects in his films ellam quite good..though not hollywood range but definitely the best in india..in fact he moves the INDIAN film industry forward..

[groucho070]

Bad performance, poor script, half-baked technical aspect, Hollywood wannabe-ness, spending shitload of money just for song sequence, sure sure he's pushing Indian film industry forward over the cliff.

[MADDY]

When Tamizh movie moves forward with director like Mysskin, Shankar pulls it backward with big-budget garbage. My two cents.

what forward is miskin taking when he copies scene to scene from kurusowa's kikujiro?

[P_R]

what forward is miskin taking when he copies scene to scene from kurusowa's kikujiro?
aanaa enakku sappAn mozhi theriyAdhungaLE.
enakku sappAn-la therinjadhu reNdE ezhuththu: Baahaa!

[MADDY]

to me, hindi cinema......

shanghai, GOW peaks untouched......but whether Anurag/Dibakar are hindi cinema or bollywood is a big question to be answered.......

tamil cinema has made huge strides forward though........aadukalam was the best in past 2 yrs......thadayara thakka, VTV, kalavani, aaranya kaandam were extremely well made movies.......even movies like vaagai sooda vaa, naan, kaadhalil sodhapavadhu eppadi, Endhiran and some other movies show lot of promise with its flashes of brilliance......

[MADDY]

aanaa enakku sappAn mozhi theriyAdhungaLE.
enakku sappAn-la therinjadhu reNdE ezhuththu: Baahaa!

enakku adhu kooda theriyaadhu but matter ennaana japan-lerndhu ctrl-c panni, TN-la ctrl-v pannitta taking forward-aa?

[MADDY]

with initial reviews, we are seeing myshkin is struggling in shankar territory - mugathula molachha mugamudi......

Shankar was absolutely spot on with Endhiran - i think he cannot be pointed out for taking tamil cinema back..........all these madurai, theni, tirunelveli dhaadi-dhaavani, extreme slang-ed directors escape the criticism.......to me they are the biggest impediments.......tamil cinema has to move out of madurai to move forward.......

[P_R]

mugathula molachha mugamudi...... :rotfl:
Yudhdham Sei, AnjAdhE-ku kooda vengaLa kiNNam lEdhA?


Shankar was absolutely spot on with Endhiran Unselected. TV-la pala language-la pAthirukkEn. kadaisi arai maNi nEram thavira perma-cringe that movie is. ukkAdhu pAkka mudiyalainnaa..


dhaadi-dhaavani Combine paNNi imagine paNNEn :lol:

tamil cinema has to move out of madurai to move forward.......Actually maduraikkum puNNiyamA pOgum.

[ajithfederer]

Shanghai - onnum periya thillalangadi ellam illa.

GOW - Acting/making/humor/meesic wise they have made very good strides. But even that film suffers from Godfather influences. Idhu influenzaa ellam ungalukku theriyaliya maddy??

[MADDY]

Shanghai - onnum periya thillalangadi ellam illa.

GOW - Acting/making/humor/meesic wise they have made very good strides. But even that film suffers from Godfather influences. Idhu influenzaa ellam ungalukku theriyaliya maddy??

influenza :lol:

obviously, all art works are influenced one way or another......but obviously there is a difference between M.Raja and maniratnam rite? compare GOW with similarly made subaramanipuram.........

[ajithfederer]

Overall I agree Hindi (can we call it parallel cinema??) has made great strides. GOW, TZP, DCH ellam arputham. 3I, Kaminey, RDB ellam personal favorites. Vicky donor madhiri pudhu idea lam edukuraanga. Idhu enaku therinja mattum.

Aana unga aale(Kashyap) Tamil cinema va thooki vechu kondaduraaru. I myself was very much surprised.

[MADDY]

Yudhdham Sei, AnjAdhE-ku kooda vengaLa kiNNam lEdhA?

obviously, i like Anjadhe and planning to watch mugamoodi tommmorow - Myskin is very good but taking a dark movie or movies with dhaadi, village stories are taken as masterpieces by default.......taking forward ellam romba saadharanama use panraanga...


Actually maduraikkum puNNiyamA pOgum.

hahaha yes.....its a untrue representation of that region.......

[SoftSword]

too much conpees with myshkin and madurai trio...
myshkin is not too much inclined on madurai and dhaadi heroes... atleast he is trying diff genres...
anjadhe-YS, nandhalala, now MM are all variety no?

imo, mysh defly taking the industry forward in his own way... and shankar does the same in his own way with the genre he is famous for... infact he is the one who constantly expanding the reach of indian/tamil movies... becos of which the myshkin/trio/other directors movies are able to reach those territories easily...

[kid-glove]

what forward is miskin taking when he copies scene to scene from kurusowa's kikujiro?


indha vishayam kurosawa'ku theriyuma?

[P_R]

sappAn-la ellAm oNNu dhaan
neenga kitano, dakilo, Ozu, bosu 'mbeenga. adhukkAga adhaiyellAm kaNakku vachchukka mudiyumA.
adhu mAmbazham, idhu vAzhappazham...aanaa prachanai ellAm oNNu dhaan.

[kid-glove]

Different films. Shot by shot'lam kedaiyadhE. :lol2:

[P_R]

Different films. Shot by shot'lam kedaiyadhE. :lol2:

Ah...then fine. nEkku adhu theriyAdhE.

[kid-glove]

Maddy's just hurt after what Grouch had to say about Sangar..

[kid-glove]

I was sent a video of Sangar's influences for Endhiran, from Making Mr. Right to Amazon battery Ad, or what have you. Still doesn't diminish the achievement in my eyes. Also this is no Meesik for a 'theft'. Films could never be plagiarized in simple-minded terms as literature/meesik. It's like painting/play, it's always an interpretation.

[SoftSword]

I was sent a video of Sangar's influences for Endhiran, from Making Mr. Right to Amazon battery Ad, or what have you. Still doesn't diminish the achievement in my eyes. Also this is no Meesik for a 'theft'. Films could never be plagiarized in simple-minded terms as literature/meesik. It's like painting/play, it's always an interpretation.

aww...

[Nerd]

Theriyama start panniten ..delete pannurathukku vazhi unda :lol:

illeeng. unga intention therinjikkalaamEnu dhaan. I think you are not a fan of Hindi cinema and you just watch thamizh/malayalam films. So neenga idhai edhukku start pannineenga, edhunaa reason irukkaa-nnu...

[V_S]

Very good thread Joe. :thumbsup:

Thamizh film industry is way way ahead compared to other film industries. Not saying just because I am thamizh, In last few years we have seen some excellent films and new concepts which other film industry can only gaze at us. Even the likes of young directors like Anurag Kashyap accepted the influence of our films in his films. Not just novel concepts, but technically also our films are way better than the rest. In terms of versatility, right from the roots to commercial to drama to comedy to sci-fi, we are making big strides forward. Again in terms of music, there is no comparison. This aspect is a big compromise in every other film industry. We have some hugely talented directors (not just one or two) like no other.

Three main concerns I have from our industry is we don't have much female oriented subjects, like we had in the past. They are just showbiz nowadays. Defintely should curtail the violence in our films which are way too much compared to other film industries, a sort of setback I would say. This is the biggest of all, should try to avoid making remakes, sort of embarrassing. Other than that, way to go. :thumbsup:

[MADDY]

Maddy's just hurt after what Grouch had to say about Sangar..

and u r hurt that someone else in HUB watches japanese movies too?

[groucho070]

Ellarume tirudaynggathan sollapona kurudaynggathan. Mysskin, Coppola, Lucas, Kurosawa, Ford, Leone, Kamalagaasan. Ithelaam classy cat burglars. And then you have snatch thieves like Shankar, MR, and bunch of others.

[kid-glove]

and u r hurt that someone else in HUB watches japanese movies too?

I'm happy. But you haven't watched Kikujiro if you think Mysskin does it s-by-s, clearly a film that is entirely governed by Mysskin's own formalism..

Also deflating my other point are we? Films are interpretations.

[kid-glove]

You wouldn't say Leone burgled from Kurosawa even if you watched it back to back. If you do, you're thinking them of text illustration and not thinking them as films.

[MADDY]

I'm happy. But you haven't watched Kikujiro if you think Mysskin does it s-by-s, clearly a film that is entirely governed by Mysskin's own formalism..

Also deflating my other point are we? Films are interpretations.

for me a film is dynamic montages governed by writing.....if both these aspects look similar in 2 movies, i wouldnt hesitate to call it a glaring copy......the camera movement in Mysskin's movies are a glaring give away of his copycat identity.......

true, films are interpretations.........for groucho, mani sir is a chain snatching thief like vaanam simbhu but to me he is a master(ofcourse in film making).....for me, mysskin is very good, has techniques to keep a film engaging but he is certainly not taking forward tamil films - nothing technically, nothing storywise........we have to see how mugamudi has fared because its probably his avan ivan.........i think bala and mysskin are on their way to pack their bags.........that would help tamil films go forward really.........

[kid-glove]

Compare and contrast us at what point does Kitano's Kikujiro governs Mysskin's formalism in Nandhalala. Where's the glaring copy-cat. Also writing is very different in both films. Also, the emotions are very much repressed in K's K while M's N is unrelenting in its melodrama.

And if you go that loosely, Sangar's in Endhiran has been copped out to be a lift with that video then. Where has your standards gone then?

Also if you seem to believe in such loose definition of copycat, then Mani Ratnam tops the list. With direct link to Coppola and Kurosawa in Nayagan & Thalapathy. Maybe even Anjali & ET, to take it far.

And montages aren't governed by writing in literal sense, it's governed in form of vision and treatment. It's exactly this which differs from Kitano to Mysskin.

[kid-glove]

Saying that, I don't cater to loose standards. Sangar's direction is underrated here in Hub, he has his own sense of rhythm. His form of composition and editing works in mainstream in a loud way, but effectively than unimaginative hacks. It's the content that makes you flinch in disgust. His material sucks.

[groucho070]

Bravo ex - Thilak. Well put. Hope in few years time you could express in simpler language and get bigger following that folks like you and PR, etc deserve.

[MADDY]

Compare and contrast us at what point does Kitano's Kikujiro governs Mysskin's formalism in Nandhalala.

enna oru 10 marks kudupeengala idha answer panna??? i dont understand what you mean by formalism here?? nandalala looked like the story, characterisation and promo stills were taken from kikujiro and rest were improvised on the sets.......i mean how do you explain the same plots.........


And if you go that loosely, Sangar's in Endhiran has been copped out to be a lift with that video then. Where has your standards gone then?

shankar is not a pretender whereas bala and mysskin are pretenders........shankar is honest when he takes mainstream entertainment to audiences as it is whereas bala and mysskin take gory violence and some setpiece sentiments to emotionally manipulate the viewer.........shankar's expertise lies somewhere else...


Also if you seem to believe in such loose definition of copycat, then Mani Ratnam tops the list. With direct link to Coppola and Kurosawa in Nayagan & Thalapathy. Maybe even Anjali & ET, to take it far.

even kamalhassan with his unabashed copy of gestures from pacino, brando, de niro etc doesent fit as a copycat - theres much more to kamal than these passing influences just like mani is beyond just nayagan and GF influences in nayagan........but sadly, mysskin is a shadow of kitano, kurusowa and other film festival directors.........


And montages aren't governed by writing in literal sense, it's governed in form of vision and treatment. It's exactly this which differs from Kitano to Mysskin.

obviously, movie is not a powerpoint slide having pictures, it has a storyboard.......if u say, mysskin just got up one day and painted his own visuals and effect, then i think we can spare some web space

[MADDY]

http://newindianexpress.com/entertainment/reviews/article285087.ece?service=print


It is understandable if a filmmaker has been inspired by the work of another, and has used it as a reference for his film. But replicating not just the concept, but almost the entire graph of the plot and narration without giving due credit to the original is blatant plagiarism.

It’s not just an embarrassment to the maker, but to the viewer too. But some makers probably go by the maxim that imitation is the best form of flattery!

more or less my thoughts too, though i would have worded it differently........obviously, everyone could see the banality in the similarities but except for HUBbers

[kid-glove]

enna oru 10 marks kudupeengala idha answer panna??? i dont understand what you mean by formalism here??

http://brandonintrotofilm.wordpress.com/realism-formalism-classicism/



nandalala looked like the story, characterisation and promo stills were taken from kikujiro and rest were improvised on the sets.......
The story and characterizations are same? Really? You haven't seen it well then. You decided to make this centre piece of your criticism. Maybe you shoud have done a Malini manangatti in that link you'd posted, 'superficial variations' is all there is in Nandhalala and forsake further discussion. It's like saying Anjali is the marriage of ET and To Kill a Mocking bird, like it's some chemistry equation.


i mean how do you explain the same plots.........
Films do not explain. A visual imitation cause sensations. This isn't text or instrument sounds. It's an elevated sensation, beyond one to one mapping.


shankar is not a pretender whereas bala and mysskin are pretenders........shankar is honest when he takes mainstream entertainment to audiences as it is whereas bala and mysskin take gory violence and some setpiece sentiments to emotionally manipulate the viewer.........shankar's expertise lies somewhere else...
Lies where? Oh wait, I think I've said that already. His rhythms work best of all mainstream filmmakers. Though they're presenting loathsome themes.

And of all manipulative filmmakers, Sangar's the most problematic and most contrived. He does take himself way too seriously. However I'd not give him the same respect as Geno did and call him a fascist. He's more a of simpleton middle class appeaser, lacks sophistication. Loud, loud filmmaker.


even kamalhassan with his unabashed copy of gestures from pacino, brando, de niro etc doesent fit as a copycat - theres much more to kamal than these passing influences just like mani is beyond just nayagan and GF influences in nayagan........

Pacino's the most loudest actor, and Kamal couldn't top him. But to you, Pacino's the epitome of subtlety. I'm sceptical of your acting estimation.

He's inspired by Brando in Nayagan. But he's most inspired by Chaplin. Don't have to go beyond that man.

And De niro, that's a first. Why don't you list the other Italian American actors, for heck of it?


but sadly, mysskin is a shadow of kitano, kurusowa and other film festival directors.........
Every montage is a shadow of Eisenstein. Every deep contrast filmmaker is a shadow of Welles-Toland. Onwards and upwards.


obviously, movie is not a powerpoint slide having pictures, it has a storyboard.......if u say, mysskin just got up one day and painted his own visuals and effect, then i think we can spare some web space
So you're effectively conceding that every film isn't original in some way or another. Just as I thought. Point made.

[MADDY]

auto questioning, assuming, answering and concluding mode.....

[kid-glove]

Considering you've opted to be in auto-pilot, one has to assume, and deduct. Repeat-u: acting, filming, editing - filmmaking in all - even as an act of imitation, assumes its own identity and works as interpretation of its maker(s), and still works in elevated creative plane. End of.

[kid-glove]

At worst, one could say Mysskin is indebted to Kurosawa in visual choices. But the adaptation of Kitano's plot outline with characters and plot points isn't glacial with nothing beyond surface, it actually re-interprets it to another plane, taking its own elevated plane. Kitano's film deals with shared alienation & unified feelings, the repression is key between child and man-child. One might be a violent scum, but the child in him and the potential of nurturing in one's soul is revealed in unassuming way. Nandhalala is about the unsuppressed. It is unrelentingly manipulative, but done with enough panache & creativity. It's about shifting of mother-child from child's perspective to assuming maternalization by form of nurturing. This is all done with unbridled manipulative sequences (which might be off-putting) with a unique formalist perspective. Here the regain of sanity is to do with reconciliation and it's only when one begins to care & see the other perspective, that one gets hold of one's mind & loses one irrationality. Even Sanity, like the film's background score, subsumes higher meaning. The climax with the makeover has thematic weight here. A fantastic visual-narrative arch with the Mysskin's asylum character formally framed like a pregnant woman.. With the pant held in his hand. And then you have the bag worn in the front like the fat paunch, symbolic of pregnancy. Then slowly framed to have assumed motherhood. In a moment of transitiveness, Snigda seems to severe the umbilical chord out of the womb-shaped den with the Agi on the other side and ties up the belt. Snigda takes up motherhood. That she's a urchin whore (in fact, I wished she didn't reveal the abusive background. Like one has to be as abused to turn in to this business), taking over from asylum freak would be near hysterical, but it's about formalist handling of extremely fictionalized, personalized characters. In fact, this mode of tragicomedy works in a completely different way to Kiku, which represses the tragedy, as the characters are ciphers with less of background, more of a road-journey film.

[MADDY]

all art forms are inspired or influenced from some source, there is no isolated creation of work......the creator constructs a art based on his influences, inspirations - whilst the greater ones use the model of the original, lesser ones take the easy way out by using both the model and building blocks of the original.......though the end effect may be different due to geography, time periods and other natural factors, u still can make out the creator's ability........otherwise, u wont possibly be able to differentiate a tarantino with m.raja.......

[MADDY]

Bala made a devastating Sethu in 2000 but makes a lacklustre AvanIvan in 2010
Mysskin makes a refreshing Anjathey in 2008 but makes a lollu sabha version of batman(borrowed from tamil films section) in 2012
Ameer makes a attention grabbing paruthiveeran in 2007 but loses way after that
suseendran made a superb VKK in 2008(?) but kudhirai, kazhudhai, panni after that
selvaraghavan gone haywire after pudhupettai
Vetrimaaran is the only one who has not eroded in last 3-4 yrs......

tamil new wave directors seem more like Indian cricket fast bowlers, they bowl amazing when they come on to stage but lose spotlight after a while.......but on the other hand, Anurag who made a ground breaking black friday in 2004 is still making GOW in 2012 - same with Dibakar who started with KKG in 2005..........Imtiaz ali going from strength to strength, abbas tyrewala delights continously and this vishal bharadwaj, rajat kapoor who are just on the top shelf.........

[kid-glove]

As I explain, Mysskin's is not just end effect. It's very organic. At least in Nandhalala, now I've already conceded where it might be off putting. But it's never a void mimicking, that it's funny that you bring up M.Raja. And as a rule, Films, even an imitation, takes newer dimensions that transcends beyond trite observations like 'it's a copy'.

Is GoW better than Black Friday and No Smoking? I don't think so. Anurag is kinda like Mysskin. In fact, Anurag reminds me of bottom shelf old scriptwriters who begin with idea, an idea that's already a meme in American, French and other cultured film industries.. Then adapts it to specific geographical coordinates.

Dibakar's best is OLLO, followed by LSD. Shangai is full of mood and atmosphere, but very little else.

No doubt though, both these filmmakers have better vision & control than any working in Kodambakkam. But they've waned.

VB might be the bestest, but his latest with Freeyanka absolutely sucked. Obviously had full of his touches, but none of it worked.

I.Ali's Rockstar is all noise but none too justified.

Tyre-wala is more of a pitstop than the race track. Would even suggest that a Venkat Prabhu film is more worthy on revisits. And I include JTYJN.

Rajat Kapoor hasn't topped Mithya. And seeing that you put him on top shelf, I'd like to know what you make of 'Drop Dead Diva' allegation made on Fatso! (an observation that doesn't wash with me), which I don't get the motivation to watch anyway. General reaction suggests that it's return to his older films.
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Sriram Raghavan does his own thing. But Agent V is widely seen as a blip.

[ajithfederer]

True :clap:.


Anurag is kinda like Mysskin. In fact, Anurag reminds me of bottom shelf old scriptwriters who begin with idea, an idea that's already a meme in American, French and other cultured film industries.. Then adapts it to specific geographical coordinates.
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[selvakumar]

Bala made a devastating Sethu in 2000 but makes a lacklustre AvanIvan in 2010
Mysskin makes a refreshing Anjathey in 2008 but makes a lollu sabha version of batman(borrowed from tamil films section) in 2012
Ameer makes a attention grabbing paruthiveeran in 2007 but loses way after that
suseendran made a superb VKK in 2008(?) but kudhirai, kazhudhai, panni after that
selvaraghavan gone haywire after pudhupettai
Vetrimaaran is the only one who has not eroded in last 3-4 yrs......

tamil new wave directors seem more like Indian cricket fast bowlers, they bowl amazing when they come on to stage but lose spotlight after a while.......but on the other hand, Anurag who made a ground breaking black friday in 2004 is still making GOW in 2012 - same with Dibakar who started with KKG in 2005..........Imtiaz ali going from strength to strength, abbas tyrewala delights continously and this vishal bharadwaj, rajat kapoor who are just on the top shelf.........

Nice post Maddy. Couldn't agree with you more on the TF directors. Not sure about Hindi since I don't see all hindi movies.
But I recommend you to telugu movies. :yes: See the form of their directors. Last 3 years, I have seen more telugu films than films from any other industry including tamil.

[selvakumar]

Are u serious? :roll:

My vote techincal aspects-bollywood, kathai/thirakathai/music - tamil cinema...i hardly watch malayalam films.. :oops: so cant comment much

I am serious. Even if you consider technical aspects, distance between telugu and tamil is not far. Just watch their Magadheera, Yamadonga etc. How they use it is a different matter but the quality is there pretty much. Also, I haven't seen genuinely funny comedy movies like telugu. They are also good in creating entertaining screenplay though way artifical at times. We - tamil industry are quite confused on whether to make artistic films or commerical films. In the end, we fail to satisfy both the audience.

[ajaybaskar]

VP movies over JTYJN? :rotfl:

[joe]

Enna thideernnu thread intha ottam ooduthu :)

[MADDY]

if u think hindi directors are also waning, its not quite false.....still the edge is with hindi.....

and as selva pointed out to me, the average tamil films and hindi films borrow heavily from telugu movies - they are giving out great fun scripts and new ideas......the Indian mainstream market is dominated by telugu scripts

[MADDY]

VP movies over JTYJN? :rotfl:

lot of people hate JTYJN - i donno why :D i dont understand if VP can write one dialogue like

Genelia to Prateik with the rat: you love him rite?
Prateik: no, we are just friends :rotfl:

[joe]

illeeng. unga intention therinjikkalaamEnu dhaan. I think you are not a fan of Hindi cinema and you just watch thamizh/malayalam films. So neenga idhai edhukku start pannineenga, edhunaa reason irukkaa-nnu...
Intention was genuine ..I just want to know popular opinion rather than proving anything.
Yes , I watch mostly Tamil and Malayalam ..Tamil obviously , Malayalam since my native is more kerala related culturally . when I see comedies in malayalam movies , I can relate more compare to even Tamil movies comedies.

Others including Hindi , vaaippu kidacha paarppen ,otherwise no specific reason for not following like many of you do ..May be i don't have a sentiment like "enna irunthaalum hindi namma naattu mozhi" .. namakku Indhi-yum arabic-kkum onnu thaan .

[MADDY]

Others including Hindi , vaaippu kidacha paarppen ,otherwise no specific reason for not following like many of you do ..May be i don't have a sentiment like "enna irunthaalum hindi namma naattu mozhi" .. namakku Indhi-yum arabic-kkum onnu thaan .

we also watch hindi movies like french, italian, iranian movies - mozhi full-a puriyadhu but quality is amazing.......infact, as i said, couple of times, all these good directors in hindi are sidelined by bollywood......my fav dirctor Anurag hates bollywood and likes tamil movies more than us :D

[kid-glove]

lot of people hate JTYJN - i donno why :D i dont understand if VP can write one dialogue like

Genelia to Prateik with the rat: you love him rite?
Prateik: no, we are just friends :rotfl:

If this is hallmark of great dialOk writing, then VP is Billy Wilder.

And I didn't hate JTYJN, have even posted on it. I quite liked it.

Still, it has to be said. The film is a bore on revisits. Maybe I've matured out of Northy/NRI-influenced wannabe-ness. As a Rahman fan, I also found the choreography under sold the songs. So don't understand the special attachment with which fellow Rahman fans hold it.

Some of VP films are immensely boring. But his films have more moments where you'd be absorbed in it. Chennai-28 punctures all four wheels of JTYJN and extra spares. A much better achievement to my mind.

[kid-glove]

Worthless junk passed off as Tamil/Hindi films borrow from Telugu mainstream Scripts. Sorted.

[kid-glove]

Will reserve judgement until GoW. But otherwise, none too forward, not even sideways, tumbling backwards, Bolly.

[MADDY]

Kid, the situation and timing was so amazing - poking fun at the central theme of the movie........main hoon naa madhiri mokka movies kooda A.Tyrewala sizzles - infact he was the only reason why Main hoon naa worked but Aegan didnt.......VP maybe best suited to work on Tyrewala's cars and wheels to get a whiff of his writing........

[kid-glove]

I just don't find Tyrewala's writing for his own films is 'so amazing' thus far, both his films (written and directed) does not aspire beyond radio play, all things considered. And the central premise of JTYJN, is an age-old theme. Cocktail of well-known ingredients. All ingredients very refined for mainstream Northy/NRI janta. Post-JHS debacle, AT doesn't want to return back to rom-com again. His work that I value most, is as collaborator under vision and guidance of a filmmaker. Like VB. If that man had rubbed off on AT, I expect better when he moves in to more serious genres.

I'm not saying VP is far the better filmmaker, but his films (bar Goa) all have its own mood & atmospherics, despite having similar characters. I'm thinking of Saroja. I'm thinking of Chennai-28. At least, there's a semblance of a film to be experienced. Also, I've been in Chennai and I find his films to get that attitude spot on. JTYJN are elite 'cool' folks who I've grown to hate, hated while growing, will continue to be that way.. Already sound like a patronizing curmudgeon for my age. Think we all should embrace that fact.

[joe]

we also watch hindi movies like french, italian, iranian movies
May be the 'we' you referred is different group ..But i think most common movie goers in Tamil nadu don't watch Hindi , french ,Italian , iranian movies with same mindset .. definitely Hindi is more influential as a dominant language of the nation they belong to .Watching Hindi movies is always seen as a first step of going beyond the kundu chattikul kuthirai ..Infact Malayalam , telugu which are more close to Tamil has less audience among Tamil ..But in kerala , I believe Tamil second only to Malayalam , ofcourse they watch Hindi and dubbed telugu movies .

[Mahen]

I am serious. Even if you consider technical aspects, distance between telugu and tamil is not far. Just watch their Magadheera, Yamadonga etc. How they use it is a different matter but the quality is there pretty much. Also, I haven't seen genuinely funny comedy movies like telugu. They are also good in creating entertaining screenplay though way artifical at times. We - tamil industry are quite confused on whether to make artistic films or commerical films. In the end, we fail to satisfy both the audience.
oh intha padama.. :banghead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhDcd8DZK_o

telegu films are the worst..siruthai/thillagadi/kutty etc ellam pathachu...patha decent padam happy days mattum thaan..Adukalam is an example of striking a balance btw artistic and commercial..

Maddy Kashapar is overrated..Manja Boots ponnu was one crap film..

[Shakthiprabha]

sigh...
instead of tamizh by mistake I voted "kannada"
ennai mannuchudunga :cry3:

[selvakumar]

sigh...
instead of tamizh by mistake I voted "kannada"
ennai mannuchudunga :cry3:
Venumnae Kannadathukku vote pottutu ippadi dabaikkureenga. That's OK. Anyway, ShivaRajKumar santhosa paduvaaru :D

[selvakumar]

if u think hindi directors are also waning, its not quite false.....still the edge is with hindi.....

and as selva pointed out to me, the average tamil films and hindi films borrow heavily from telugu movies - they are giving out great fun scripts and new ideas......the Indian mainstream market is dominated by telugu scripts
Salman Khan had resurrected his career with telugu remakes : SRK is out of the game and I am happy about it since I can tolerate action movies but not his louuuuu movies.
Telugu film directors have directed some hindi films as well. For e.g., Buddha hoga tera baap was good and I really enjoyed watching Amitabh like that. Puri J creates good screenplays.
Both tamil and telugu have imported a lot of from telugu over the years. Malayalam sollave venam. They directly consume telugu movies. Infact, telugu movies are regularly dubbed into malayalam and released in Kerala.

[selvakumar]

telegu films are the worst..siruthai/thillagadi/kutty etc ellam pathachu...patha decent padam happy days mattum thaan..Adukalam is an example of striking a balance btw artistic and commercial..
Maddy Kashapar is overrated..Manja Boots ponnu was one crap film..
Siruthai - See the original Vikramarkudu. Again, after watching all movies of Ravi Teja. You can "feel" how a director can transform an actor known for his comedy into a serious personality.
Thillalangai - Again, see the original KICK without any prejudice. Ravi Teja rocks. After kick, if you see Siruthai original, you will ask whether it was the same guy
Happy days - I haven't seen it :lol: I felt it was boring and stopped it after 5 mins.

OK here you go for feel good movies

1. Manmadhudu
2. Godavari - too good and don't miss it
3. Bommarilu - you have seen this already Sa.Su
4. Dookudu - Action + sentiment

Lot of movies are there. After seeing all of them, I can't stop wondering how good and how bad we are in terms of importing their content.
If you are talking about that magadheera scene, tell me one great movie in tamil that was completely logical :lol2: including the movies that you enjoyed :)

P.S: Over the top violence and nuditity in telugu films are not my cup of tea.

[Senareb]

Telugu film directors have directed some hindi films as well. For e.g., Buddha hoga tera baap was good and I really enjoyed watching Amitabh like that. Puri J creates good screenplays.


Its biggest flop here...

Mani rathnam sir'ai maranthittingala.. ARR-ai maranthittingala...

Ellarum Kollywood'lerndhu Bolly'kku ponavanga...

The success of remake of telugu movies to hindi movies is accepted.. bt it s sum extent..

Eventhough if its remake movie, the movie success mainly depends on 'Star power'...

'Ready' movie'la salman nadikkama vera yaaravathu nadichiruntha, def. flop aayirukkum..

Tamil'lerndhu remake panna vendiya padam niraiya irukku... bt athukku time aagum...

Except action & romance, what kind of genre u can expect frm tollywood ?...

bt kollywood apdi ila.. u can expect all kind of movies...

[kid-glove]

Thought the topic is for going forward, not jump off the cliff and burst in to flames. Telegu philums. :lol2:

[selvakumar]

Instead they should have made the hero diffuse a nuclear bomb by carrying it all alone in the climax. May be that would have been 'forward' for many :lol2:

[kid-glove]

-edit-

[kid-glove]

Disarming the nuke in itself isn't a issue, so much as the right wing propaganda in films like that. It's not the danger, it's the divine reassuring of well attuned system that's a sickening agenda beyond the surface. But why did we come this far, Telugu films are trite.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Instead they should have made the hero diffuse a nuclear bomb by carrying it all alone in the climax. May be that would have been 'forward' for many :lol2:
Selva
Appo nuke disarming a vera madhiri 'realistic'a ezhudhiyirundha ungalukku padam pidichirukkuma? Illa Mahadheera la (padam paakkala, Mahadheera is just a marker) andha scene(s) a "logical"-a eduthutta mattum prachanai theerndhiruma?

[kid-glove]

bitterness and crusade on individuals without any sort of meaningful engagement, will not go far. :(

[P_R]

bala and mysskin are pretenders
Unselected. Bala is a highly original voice. I hated avanivan, adhu vERa vishayam.
Myskin, I am didn't see Kikuchiyo fully. Saw some parts, idhai ellAm copy-nu solla mAttEn.
He does have an very very unique style. I get extremely annoyed when 'visual style' and all is made front and center. But I really 'got' what gets ppl thrilled when watching YS. Trolley forward-nu dhairiyamA sollalaam.

[kid-glove]

Also look at Maddy's agenda here. He could just as easily dismiss Vetrimaaran on those grounds, but he chose not to..

[P_R]

Disarming the nuke in itself isn't a issue, so much as the right wing propaganda in films like that. It's not the danger, it's the divine reassuring of well attuned system that's a sickening agenda beyond the surface. But why did we come this far, Telugu films are trite.

neengellAm edhO dabil meaningla pEsura mAdhiriyE irukkE.
edhai solreenga?

[P_R]

Also look at Maddy's agenda here. He could just as easily dismiss Vetrimaaran on those grounds, but he chose not to..

Nah..I think MADDY feels 'Kiku' and Nandu are similar, 'lift and drop' operations whereas VM's outings are sincere creative efforts worthy of appreciations.
That IS the point of difference.

[P_R]

Bala does anything but pretend. I mean, even when is disagreeable and boring, he is on his own unique trip. Hardly caring to pretend to be anything.

[kid-glove]

Nah..I think MADDY feels 'Kiku' and Nandu are similar, 'lift and drop' operations whereas VM's outings are sincere creative efforts worthy of appreciations.
That IS the point of difference.

He chooses to feel that way, why? A very conclusive case could be made that Mysskin who does it more sincerely organic with creativity, while VM's seems more of a pastiche. But Maddy will come out and say that VM quotes his influences at end of the film. If I were to use Maddy's modus operandi, I'd say VM surreptiously left out 'Cockfighter', while Mysskin acknowledges Kuro/kitano/kiku much more openly & it's much more all-conclusive.

[selvakumar]

Selva
Appo nuke disarming a vera madhiri 'realistic'a ezhudhiyirundha ungalukku padam pidichirukkuma?
I wouldn't have liked Batman even after that. I felt the film was cliched and boring. More or less felt like watching an above average telugu movie with that hero buildup, twists etc.


Illa Mahadheera la (padam paakkala, Mahadheera is just a marker) andha scene(s) a "logical"-a eduthutta mattum prachanai theerndhiruma?
Theriyala. Infact, itha aen enkitta ketkureengannum therla. However, My point was about people selectively quoting the illogical scene from magadheera to dismiss the movie/telugu industry altogether. How many telugu films have they seen? 1, 2 .... 10 or 100??

[kid-glove]

neengellAm edhO dabil meaningla pEsura mAdhiriyE irukkE.
edhai solreenga?

It's about Hollywood films, I think, in which case, what I said applies uniformly to most mainstream Nuke-action films. Or is he meaning Vikram.

[kid-glove]

Most of us hated Batman. So does that give us the liberty to hate Andhra mass mess for similar reasons? If we're talking about consitency, then we'd have to get bots and machines to hold discussion here. As if those who advocate concistency (disguised attack iwth mean intent), are very consistent. They can't help be persuasive even if their life depended on it, because all their posts are time and again 'I hold grudges' reminder.

Also, I think most will have known my praise for Magadheera, Eega on lines of those films being more meaningful for the medium. Enough said.

[selvakumar]

People who didn't care to look for logic in batman films are expecting logic in telugu cinema no matter how good the rest of the content is. Not sure whether Mahen saw the film or not. Batmans fans in hubdidn't even find the climax odd. That is the success of Hollywood (May be) . People who open up the discussion with the personal attack and their own assumption in order to avenge for someone else should double check before posting anything. Hell, bots are better. I should write one to decode the posts here though it won't be as attractive as writing one for captcha. At least, that will get me dollars. I find telugu films to be entertaining. Their screenplays are better though way too artificial at times. I have seen only vested attack on their films other than quoting some illogical scenes here & there as if they are not present in all other industries. I find telugu films to be moving forward (much better compared to tamil cinema). Didn;t say they are THE BEST. How will you argue against that? By saying they are trite. I can also argue like that for our own super logical tamil films. Argument pathi ellam yaaru pesurathu .. Aandavaa!

[selvakumar]

Good night thamizh (industry). Let us meet tomorrow. :wave:

[kid-glove]

I expect no meaningful answer, but for heck of it, how are Telugu films entertaining and screenplays are better. I'd argue that they're hollow in content, only works within realms of the filmmaker and star involved.

But hey, it's all remade in to much more awful Hindi/Tamil films. So that makes it great. Jolly good.

It might be your mantra, but stating empty assertions doesn't mean KISS. OTOH, it does come off as 'keep it simple and stupid'.

[kid-glove]

Incidentally, we've already been on Ravi Teja and Vikramarkudu here..

http://mayyam.com/talk/archives/Tamil_Films_Archived/t14040_THE_Uncompromised_SUPER_HIT___Vinnai_Thaand i_Varuv.html

And this criteria - transformation of an actor, bold casting and extracting performances - actually elevates TFI beyond Telugu films.

[ajithfederer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9pK3WULGz8&feature=related

One of the many best scenes in wasseypur -1 :lol:

W1>>>W2

[ajithfederer]

And finally something which should have been posted in Page 1. One can argue the facts underlying but the effect has been established firmly.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nt5oiTanwo

[groucho070]

Stan, suphherb. Tamizh films rules (even NT days, the Tamizh to Hindi remakes, the actors struggled to at least do 50% of what NT did, but that is different issue, a story for another day).

[equanimus]

A very conclusive case could be made that Mysskin who does it more sincerely organic with creativity, while VM's seems more of a pastiche.I agree with this, k-g, and this distinction must be emphasized. I guess there's a simpler explanation though (I mean, you might want to hold on the "agenda" allegation): It's precisely the conscious incorporation of an organic style (in Mysskin's films) that annoys people. Vetrimaran on the other hand espouses a style (in many ways Latin American cinema-influenced but also a pastiche of sorts) that is in line with what many serious filmmakers are doing in contemporary Tamil cinema. The point being Vetrimaran's films clearly 'derive' (not in a pejorative sense) from more places than Mysskin's. (They're both very original Tamil filmmakers at the end of the day, that's a different matter.)

[venkkiram]

Kamal/Rajini/Bala movie - once in 2 years, Mishkin - 1 movie per year. Creators like Thangar, Jananathan, Cheran totally out of scope nowadays. To me the words "moving forward" - opt for Bollywood. Forget Khan's movies.. even at the lower-mid range movies.. Oru overall - variety irukku. Censor board also is very liberal compared to our TN cultural mafias. Most importantly, female roles are praise worthy.

[selvakumar]

I see no logical answer expect your RAP(B)ID take on me and telugu cinema. I am not a certified expert on commenting about films in general. I don't even have a qualified degree. So, it would stupid if the expectation is to dissect a film screenplay, writing etc. We can only give how better the films are from our point of view. Telugu films have transformed lot of mainstream heroes and it is one of those industries where you can see a Sunil doing a full fledged movie as a hero. No...No.. I am not talking about sidekick second hero roles. I am talking about Maryada Ramanna here. Comedy is a big plus in telugu films. Even if you leave Brahmi, there are others. Their heroes are good in comedy as well. A telugu film (if you can forgive their nuditiy and over the top violence) is still a good one in terms of holding the audience.

[selvakumar]

Vikramarkudu - Good movie. Sunil or vikram act panni irunthalum hit aayirukkum.

[kid-glove]

Let's deconstruct what you've just said.

a) One has to be quaified to be able to share opinion.

b) As per a), since one doesn't have the qualification, one doesn't have to hold an informed opinion or dissect anything at all.

c) Therefore, one shall remain cocooned in safe, vantage point of (constricted) view.

In conclusion, Stupid of me to expect anything more than blanket assertions.

Assertions on line of 'transformation of mainstream heroes' without actually stating to what? What transformation we're talking about.

Sample your standing on Vikramakurdu, suddenly it's not the hero that matters, it's the filmmaker and the film. But couple of pages back, you bring up this very transformation of R.Teja. Why didn't you inform poor Mahen about the film & why it works, beyond R.Teja? OTOH, I have always maintained a consistent view that there's a screen registry being turned on its head by SS.Rajamouli that specifically works in Vikramaurdu. A concious choice. And I've also dwelled in Eega thread, why it's a better achievement than T&J-lite observation.

For every passing reference of Brahmi, there are many part chronicles of Goundamani with well-meaning evidence right here in hub.

Kammula has only gone down from Godavari to 'Happy days' and 'Leader'.

Yeleti hasn't topped AOR, and has gone down, is he even making films any more.

Sri Rama Rajjiyam is a good achievement from old-guard. It's the modern devotional/fantasy films that they've held over TFI. While we haven't gone beyond Ramanarayanan, Jagadeekka Veerudu Athiloka Sundari/Aditya 369 has set better precedents. But that's all early 90's.

I'm inclined to allow Magadheera in this regard, but even that's strictly for big screen experience. SSR going from strenghts to strenghts in sense of visuals & sound effects (particularly in Maga and Eega) making his films an experience, but his footing firmly rooted in existing framework.

Outside SSR, the industry hasn't progressed beyond the preening, regressive, sexist, consistently formulaic universe, for it to be considered a progress.The Siddarth Romance-comedy-drama genre is precisely the kind of regression that I deeply resist. I mean, how do you go from Pelli Pusthakam to this tripe, and call it 'forward' on any level. It's been periodic degradation.

Considering I've also said TFI is moving backwards, in comparison to Telugu, it's ages ahead.

[kid-glove]

Comedians not being converted to Mainstream heroes. ThappichOm. Imsai Arasan imsai-E thaanga mudila. But like you said, Sunil illaina Vikram illa R.Teja kooda SSR padangala nadikkalam, so this insistence on 'comedians turned in to serious mainstream hero' doesn't really matter now, does it. And pray tell us how this is 'forward'.

[kid-glove]

I agree with this, k-g, and this distinction must be emphasized. I guess there's a simpler explanation though (I mean, you might want to hold on the "agenda" allegation): It's precisely the conscious incorporation of an organic style (in Mysskin's films) that annoys people. Vetrimaran on the other hand espouses a style (in many ways Latin American cinema-influenced but also a pastiche of sorts) that is in line with what many serious filmmakers are doing in contemporary Tamil cinema. The point being Vetrimaran's films clearly 'derive' (not in a pejorative sense) from more places than Mysskin's. (They're both very original Tamil filmmakers at the end of the day, that's a different matter.)

That applies in general. As a social recluse, I haven't really a clue about the generic standpoint towards Mysskin.

But specifically in hub, you see underhanded praise/dismissal of IR-based and ARR-based films. I'd even suggest that being the root of all evil for hub to not progress beyond. :twisted:

If he's going to throw 'don't know why JTYJN is hated by most here :D ' at me, I'm not going to restrain in showing up guarded agenda ridden vantage point.

[Plum]

Git - some excellent posts.


Excellent post on Telugu filmdom spanning from 90s - unlike self-appointed experts who dont have a coherent piece of analysis or wisdom despite watching "100s of telugu movies".

Ofcourse, not all have your qualification to write about films(that goes beyond "i have my limited opinion based on my limtied knowledge. its as valid as expert opinion").
Talk of humility!

[kid-glove]

Your insights on Telugu cinema would be very welcome, Flu.

You have registered them in little instalments before. Like this page below..

http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8822-Films-Documentary-that-made-you-post-here/page128

[kid-glove]

to assert empty assertions and then derailing the discussion taking it into personal attack
..
..
i have my limited opinion based on my limtied knowledge. its as valid as expert opinion
Yeah, challenge them.. Ever so slightly. They'll go back to their parlour tricks. Desperately publishing tips from Ad men (how so 'in your face', inarguably more pretentious in this pretension to attack the pretentious.---to discussing box office records (an odd 'thala looks great in salt and pepper' ya!), is all some people are interested in.

[Plum]

Git - clear me about one thing. Kikujiro KurosawavA? (Maddy apdi thAn aarambichAr - typovA irukkunu pArthA, contineesA apdiyE dhAn pala postukku maindain paNNi irukkAr). appuRamA dep-A kELvi kEttA, Indian Express reviewlAm quote paNNApla. enakkennamO Maddy kikujiro pAthArAnnE doubtA irukku. (Nandhalala pArthArannu innoru doubt).


Bala pretender-nu solRachEvE tyre buss flat....there are a 100 accusations you can throw at Bala. Pretender-nu solRadhu epic fail in understanding bala movies. avLo dhAn solla mudiyin...

[Plum]

Edhukku doubt vandhudhunnA, Maddy padam pArthurundha varra force-Ana criticism illAma, genericA irundhadhAla, mandabathula yAro ezhudhu koduthu pEsaRA mAdhiri oru effectu therinjudhu.

( I was thinking "Meddy crticise paNNA ipdi irukkAdhE..innum force-A violentA irukkumE...)

[selvakumar]

...

Coming back to my post on R.Teja - Before Vikramarkudu, no one would have even considered him to play a role like Vikram Singh Rathore. The guy was more like Sathyraj. His initial films were not that good. Kick gave him one of the "major breaks" (Don't come and troll by saying he had break even before that). I never expected a director to make him play the role of VSR. Antha gethu, seriousness, body lanugage ellam totally different. Imsai Arasan was a comedy movie. I haven't seen appreciating Hero Vadivelu in that movie. But in Maryada ramanna, Sunil looked different.

[selvakumar]

Chronicles of what? Goundamani's mono-dialogue delivery like Santhanam. Brahmanandam is a rare combination of Goundamani + Vadivelu. Body language, instant laugh, mannerism etc is totally at a different level compared to GM. GM's primary strength is his nakkal naiyandi dialogues. Brahmanandam can switch between GM & VV's territories instantly. That makes him so special.

[selvakumar]

One has to be a "certified expert/SME" to share "expert opinion" on certain things. Screenplay onnu kooda ezuthatha enkitta vanthu screenplay pathi explain pannuna. I find the films entertaining and they are able to hold me throughout the film. I can only say this. I can't sit through most of the tamil masala films. But for majority of the telugu masalas, I can watch them (skpping the songs and over the top voilence). Ithu puriyalaiya.. Or did you expect me to reply with a post mortem analysis of telugu screenplays. Either way, it sound stupid!

Fake resume ellam easy ya podalaam. :lol2:

On blanket assertions, I didn't see any well defined proof to establish equations like E=MC2 in this thread. I don't see any note on this. Expecting Theorems in this thread is a wrong expectation at least. AXIOMS - Yes.

[Senareb]

selva... u r talking abt single man... hav to consider the whole industry...

[kid-glove]

Git - clear me about one thing. Kikujiro KurosawavA? (Maddy apdi thAn aarambichAr - typovA irukkunu pArthA, contineesA apdiyE dhAn pala postukku maindain paNNi irukkAr). appuRamA dep-A kELvi kEttA, Indian Express reviewlAm quote paNNApla. enakkennamO Maddy kikujiro pAthArAnnE doubtA irukku. (Nandhalala pArthArannu innoru doubt).


Bala pretender-nu solRachEvE tyre buss flat....there are a 100 accusations you can throw at Bala. Pretender-nu solRadhu epic fail in understanding bala movies. avLo dhAn solla mudiyin...

Maddy is just making stuff up as he goes along.

[kid-glove]

...


Coming back to my post on R.Teja - Before Vikramarkudu, no one would have even considered him to play a role like Vikram Singh Rathore. The guy was more like Sathyraj. His initial films were not that good. Kick gave him one of the "major breaks" (Don't come and troll by saying he had break even before that). I never expected a director to make him play the role of VSR. Antha gethu, seriousness, body lanugage ellam totally different.

Ravi Teja was like Sathyaraj? that baldheaded mean-looking man who got his break in Kodambakkam?

Let's keep it offlate. Bala pannadhadha? Surya, Vikram, Arya.. Mani Ratnam with Maddy in AE. So on. TFI patents 'transformation' and constantly updates screen registry.

Could go on and on..

Beyond that, nicely ignored..

Sample your standing on Vikramakurdu, suddenly it's not the hero that matters, it's the filmmaker and the film. But couple of pages back, you bring up this very transformation of R.Teja. Why didn't you inform poor Mahen about the film & why it works, beyond R.Teja? OTOH, I have always maintained a consistent view that there's a screen registry being turned on its head by SS.Rajamouli that specifically works in Vikramaurdu. A concious choice. And I've also dwelled in Eega thread, why it's a better achievement than T&J-lite observation.


Imsai Arasan was a comedy movie. I haven't seen appreciating Hero Vadivelu in that movie. But in Maryada ramanna, Sunil looked different.
Again, how is this a virtue in your consideration of Telugu cinema being better!

And you keep tip-toeing between screen registry and script/filmmaker (because after all, in your eyes, Sunil, Vikram, Ravi Teja, evan pannalam nalla thaan irukkum..). Then you immediately contradict it. It's all foggy and confused, just go over your posts again.


Chronicles of what? Goundamani's mono-dialogue delivery like Santhanam. Brahmanandam is a rare combination of Goundamani + Vadivelu. Body language, instant laugh, mannerism etc is totally at a different level compared to GM. GM's primary strength is his nakkal naiyandi dialogues. Brahmanandam can switch between GM & VV's territories instantly. That makes him so special.

That's all you got, for multiple threads of Gounder right here in Hub.

Of course I don't expect this,
http://dagalti.blogspot.in/2010/09/drums-mani.html

But something beyond blanket statements. State the sequence, how it brings out these modes. Particularly for something as audaciously equated as GM + VV rolled in to one (in being GM-esque, does he actually top it?), and for a man who has seen 1000's of Telugu movies, this should be easily more detailed..


One has to be a "certified expert/SME" to share "expert opinion" on certain things. Screenplay onnu kooda ezuthatha enkitta vanthu screenplay pathi explain pannuna.
...did you expect me to reply with a post mortem analysis of telugu screenplays.

Nice cop-out tactic for someone who makes rigid claims.

Let me humor you though. I don't know how to cook. So I will refuse to qualify my food. I will just go on consuming it without feeling its taste, flavor, texture and so on. I'm a consumer, I'm happy being that way. But that's different from saying pompous things like 'Telugu screenplay are so superior' (with laughable qualifiers like it's getting remade in Hindi/Tamil). Expect someone to 'Tell us more'. Then goes 'Auuuuuu....'


On blanket assertions, I didn't see any well defined proof to establish equations like E=MC2 in this thread. I don't see any note on this. Expecting Theorems in this thread is a wrong expectation at least. AXIOMS - Yes.
Hardly self-evidential enough to be called Axiomatic.

You've just made tangential claims, but none of those backs up the original opinion.

[Mahen]

Kamal/Rajini/Bala movie - once in 2 years, Mishkin - 1 movie per year. Creators like Thangar, Jananathan, Cheran totally out of scope nowadays. To me the words "moving forward" - opt for Bollywood. Forget Khan's movies.. even at the lower-mid range movies.. Oru overall - variety irukku. Censor board also is very liberal compared to our TN cultural mafias. Most importantly, female roles are praise worthy.
+1..ithukagave Ballywood salute pannalam..You hardly see heroines doing dumb roles in Hindi (ignore the south remakes pls)..Almost all heroines are on par with the heroes..Even a heroine oriented film can be a big hit - Kahaani...Tamil-le only a few give importance to heroines Selva/GM/Mani/Radhamohan/Balaji..

[selvakumar]

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[selvakumar]

Ravi Teja was like Sathyaraj? that baldheaded mean-looking man who got his break in Kodambakkam?
I was referring to his acting style and his body language. Kick is a good example. You could see a pattern right from his Venky. As you mentioned, he wasn't good in remakes but was too good when a role like Kick was given to him. A transformation from this lollu type character to Vikram Singh Rathore can be achieved only if the particular industry has something to offer be it director or any other professional. Just compare OSTHI with Gabbar Singh.

Then you have Jr NTR- Who would have thought he can play the role of Yamudu in Yamadonga. I wasn't impressed with any of his movies before. But then you see a different NTR in Yamadonga. Same goes to Brindavanam. Again, ithellem panna "petha director" theva illai. Even within commercial format, they are able to surprise the audience with the tranformation.

How can someone explain a guy like Ram Charan playing the role of Kala Bhairava in Magadheera? Can we ask Surya to play this role in his second movie? Vasanth did try something initially until a totally different director like Bala has to arrive for you guys. But a telugu director would have achieved a similar feat within the commercial format easily. They wouldn't have taken that much time. Nagarjuna - His spiritual movies. I could hardly believe what was going on screen. A mass hero tranforming himself completely [Don't bring Raghavendra here since we are speaking the current situation]. Balakrishna - Rama role. Though I saw only parts of it, can't believe that it was him.

On deeply rooted films, Prasthanam is a good choice. Yesterday, I saw this movie "Kotha bangaaru lokam". Wasn't boring at all and the way the lead pair have acted is too good. Again, in tamil cinema finding this in the last 3 years? Only if a "different" director purposefully focuses on things, it will look explicitly. But telugu la sarva satharanam commercial movie layae nadakkura kaariyam. You don't need a super director to jump from the sky to deliver good films. If you are referring to pure transformations, how often has it happened in our industry? or once in every 3 to 4 years? I don't think Maddy's AE role was such a transformation. But RUN - YES. But then again how many of those director we have? How many of them are delivering different movies?

This surprise and the execution makes you anticipate their films more. E hit aanathu kooda ithu oru kaaranam. Namma aalunga oru framework ya edutha athu thaan kadaisi varai.. Myskin utpada. I haven't seen TFilms that are half as entertaining as telugu films in the last 3 years.

[selvakumar]

That's all you got, for multiple threads of Gounder right here in Hub.
Of course I don't expect this,
http://dagalti.blogspot.in/2010/09/drums-mani.html

But something beyond blanket statements. State the sequence, how it brings out these modes. Particularly for something as audaciously equated as GM + VV rolled in to one (in being GM-esque, does he actually top it?), and for a man who has seen 1000's of Telugu movies, this should be easily more detailed..
Saw that blog link. Sari. How will that link prove that GM had also done VV type of comedies? :confused2:
GM's speciality is his one liners and timing. Brahmi's timing and the body language makes him a totally different comedian altogether. You don't "just hear" the dialogues to burst into laugher. But the way he performs in those scenes actually makes it even more special. Kind of an acceleration.
GM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9myt0Ds-JE
Brahmi - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTdqlAyo3_Q
I couldn't recollect few more very good videos. I will try to post them soon.


Nice cop-out tactic for someone who makes rigid claims.

Let me humor you though. I don't know how to cook. So I will refuse to qualify my food. I will just go on consuming it without feeling its taste, flavor, texture and so on . I'm a consumer, I'm happy being that way. But that's different from saying pompous things like 'Telugu screenplay are so superior' (with laughable qualifiers like it's getting remade in Hindi/Tamil). Expect someone to 'Tell us more'. Then goes 'Auuuuuu....'
You said telugu films are trite. Finally we seem to be agreeing on Maghadheera. But still I don't know how you got suddently convinced by this if you were expecting "tell me more ya". Intha "Auuuuu" ellam Maghadheera OK nnu sollum pothey thaana vanthuduchu :lol2:

Saapidum pothu flavor, texture ellam paarthu saapidura aalu yaarungovvv (Mannan goundamani). You would just say whether the food was tasty or not. Minji pona mix nalla irukkunnu solluvoem. How different the food is from the same chef at different times? But will you explain the nuances? Like the proportion used for making that. ingredient % etc. Ithellam theva illatha velai.


Hardly self-evidential enough to be called Axiomatic.
You've just made tangential claims, but none of those backs up the original opinion.
Telugu films trite.. framework mattum thaan athu ithunnu sollurathu. Ithukku ethavathu example koduthiya pa.. and then suddenly you agreed on Maghadheera. EKSI.

[kid-glove]

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[Senareb]

:sigh2: :sigh2:

[selvakumar]

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[kid-glove]

I was referring to his acting style and his body language. Kick is a good example. You could see a pattern right from his Venky. As you mentioned, he wasn't good in remakes but was too good when a role like Kick was given to him. A transformation from this lollu type character to Vikram Singh Rathore can be achieved only if the particular industry has something to offer be it director or any other professional. Just compare OSTHI with Gabbar Singh.

Then you have Jr NTR- Who would have thought he can play the role of Yamudu in Yamadonga. I wasn't impressed with any of his movies before. But then you see a different NTR in Yamadonga. Same goes to Brindavanam. Again, ithellem panna "petha director" theva illai. Even within commercial format, they are able to surprise the audience with the tranformation.

How can someone explain a guy like Ram Charan playing the role of Kala Bhairava in Magadheera? Can we ask Surya to play this role in his second movie? Vasanth did try something initially until a totally different director like Bala has to arrive for you guys. But a telugu director would have achieved a similar feat within the commercial format easily. They wouldn't have taken that much time. Nagarjuna - His spiritual movies. I could hardly believe what was going on screen. A mass hero tranforming himself completely [Don't bring Raghavendra here since we are speaking the current situation]. Balakrishna - Rama role. Though I saw only parts of it, can't believe that it was him.

Devotional movies have been covered in my post. You're welcome. But again, these devotional movies aren't all of highest quality, the modern Telugu cinema I mean. Also, there isn't a genre transcending here, all very safe. While Early 90's with A369, JVAS could be considered gold standards for transcending genres within the format, compare that to superficial efforts of today.

Also, while we are on Arundhati and so on, I have a special kind of condescension reserved for people who appreciate all the loudness with which it was made. OTOH, if someone suggests it tried something visually, it's all fine.

And what is 'petha' director. EllamE TFI'la commercial thaane :huh:

As for the rest.. purely made point in terms of transformation, most choices you mentioned are all within the very format. Again, look at your fickle mindedness in suggesting that even Eega was 'safely' within the format and that its praise shows up people, in Eega thread. Now from a man suggesting that about E, isn't 'finding variations' in these films, all consistent? For your own listed transformation of mainstream heros, which are extremely mainstream and a set pattern. And it's not like this was appreciated. Most have brushed aside these roles from Nerd (drop kick to hero's face: Ravi Teja), Plum (pukes for Ram Charan, etc). Both their estimation of acting have been very detailed. While you're a flag-bearing MGR, Ajith fan. Sorry, I know whose estimation is much more meaningful without agendas.

If this is the par you set, Something from top of my mind:
a)Simbhu doing VTV,
b)Surya doing Nanda
d) Surya doing bodhidarman
c) Arya doing N.K
d) Maddy doing Run, AE
e) Jeeva doing Mugamoodi
and so on..

Ithellam commercial illaina vera enna?

Also the main crux of this argument is how is this progressing the industry or moving forward. Your love for mainstream heroes & 'surprise' of their slightly updated screen registry is all so cute, but shall we move on to the general topic at hand?


On deeply rooted films, Prasthanam is a good choice. Yesterday, I saw this movie "Kotha bangaaru lokam". Wasn't boring at all and the way the lead pair have acted is too good. Again, in tamil cinema finding this in the last 3 years?

Let me read this right, are you suggesting 'wasn't boring at all' as criteria? :lol:


But then again how many of those director we have? How many of them are delivering different movies?
If this is your idea of difference, that is superficial genre variation (like Yamadonga, Magadheera).. then vonAm-ngrEn.

Actually in Maga/E as well, it is sense of visuals and aural design that makes it compelling big screen experience. The production values are top notch.. for the industry.


This surprise and the execution makes you anticipate their films more. E hit aanathu kooda ithu oru kaaranam. Namma aalunga oru framework ya edutha athu thaan kadaisi varai.. Myskin utpada.
And all your samples all fall outside that Telugu TM-ed regressive framework? How? All well within standards, and have always been part of Telugu film world. ARe you a beginner?

The only real progression at any level, is the effort with which SSR executes his films visually. From some vision of the image, storyboarding..all the way up to post-production, there's a skillfull filmmaker there.

That aside, most of your post doesn't really explain how it is all 'moving forward' or 'progression'.

I haven't seen TFilms that are half as entertaining as telugu films in the last 3 years.

Thank lord for that.

[kid-glove]

Saw that blog link. Sari. How will that link prove that GM had also done VV type of comedies? :confused2:

You've topped yourself. Appalling comprehension skill. Just read the part again. I'm CLEARLY asking you to prove where Brahmi straddles both modes.

Where do I even suggest GM has done VV type comedies?

Poor.



GM's speciality is his one liners and timing. Brahmi's timing and the body language makes him a totally different comedian altogether. You don't "just hear" the dialogues to burst into laugher. But the way he performs in those scenes actually makes it even more special. Kind of an acceleration.
GM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9myt0Ds-JE
Brahmi - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTdqlAyo3_Q
I couldn't recollect few more very good videos. I will try to post them soon.
Adapaavi, nee thaanE Brahmi is mix of GM and VV-nu sonna, ippo ennana 'totally different comedian'-ngra.

Sariyaana comedy nee.


You said telugu films are trite. Finally we seem to be agreeing on Maghadheera. But still I don't know how you got suddently convinced by this if you were expecting "tell me more ya". Intha "Auuuuu" ellam Maghadheera OK nnu sollum pothey thaana vanthuduchu :lol2:


Telugu films trite.. framework mattum thaan athu ithunnu sollurathu. Ithukku ethavathu example koduthiya pa.. and then suddenly you agreed on Maghadheera. EKSI.

I clearly explained why Magadheera is an achievement for this industry, and that should suggest how backward they are. And even suggested 'E' might be the one which is actually 'forward' at some level. Also how is this sudden, have always maintained my views on SSR here in multiple threads and first page of this thread as well.

Poor comprehension skill again.

As for Trite, they are. From laughably lack of nuance of Rayalseema to compromised depitction of coastal Andhra (could even suggest this part) to their racist depicition of Thamizhs (a particular Allu Arjuna film) to sexism of women in general. And lack of rootedness in their foreign fetishism.

Mushy romance galore in Siddarth genre, from same industry taht gave the Marriage book (:bow: stamina to the same man for making SRR)

I'd deeply resist the mind that appreciates this as 'forward'. Let alone, consume it all as 'entertaining'.


Saapidum pothu flavor, texture ellam paarthu saapidura aalu yaarungovvv (Mannan goundamani). You would just say whether the food was tasty or not. Minji pona mix nalla irukkunnu solluvoem. How different the food is from the same chef at different times? But will you explain the nuances? Like the proportion used for making that. ingredient % etc. Ithellam theva illatha velai.
So edha pOttalum, saappidu.. Naan ennangrEn. Soda powder pOttalum unakku erangum :lol:

But idhu adhavida better'nu inga pudhu agenda create panradhellam semma comedy. Don't advocate your awful taste, and expect it to be unchallenged.

[kid-glove]

So, I will ask for more evidence like E=MC2 though I wouldn't provide one if asked for. I will pretend, continue to pretend to prove what others say and twist it back on them.
Inga nee thaanE 'Telugu films are better'-nu pOtta.. As for their triteness, have covered it far better than you going on tangential planes without really adressing your original point.

Stop being intellectually challenged and let us know how Telugu industry is moving forward. Getting complete and utter nonsense, so far.


Pretentious = Saying telugu films are trite. then saying I accept that and then hiding behind comments like I need evidence. Naanum atha thaanaya kettaen. You didn't provide it first of all. Awfully funny..
Is this like 'prove there is no God first, then we will prove how there is God'.

[Senareb]

KG...cool man...:cool2::cool2:

[selvakumar]

Devotional movies have been covered in my post. You're welcome. But again, these devotional movies aren't all of highest quality, the modern Telugu cinema I mean. Also, there isn't a genre transcending here, all very safe. While Early 90's with A369, JVAS could be considered gold standards for transcending genres within the format, compare that to superficial efforts of today.
That includes how you "define" quality. Anyway, not sure whether I claimed that devotional movies are good but was making a case for their heroes. Stereotype panni appadiya vitruvoem as if our heroes are better. Early 90s. :oops: Telugu movies were crap and resembled their tamil versions. At least, they have come a long way from that brief period to what they are today. That is not just transformation of heroes or directors but a new blood of directors entering and creating a totally different outlook for telugu movies. They are blending and delivering movies that can appeal for everyone be it the "loud" vikramarkudu or the Bommarilu. We didn't do anything other than copying/remaking them page by page.


Also, while we are on Arundhati and so on, I have a special kind of condescension reserved for people who appreciate all the loudness with which it was made. OTOH, if someone suggests it tried something visually, it's all fine.
Padam nalla thaane irunthathu for a horror film. Was quite "original" and the experience was so good.


And what is 'petha' director. EllamE TFI'la commercial thaane :huh:
Petha director = periya director who specifically makes films to prove that he is making good films. Intentional ah pannurathu. Vera onnumilla.


As for the rest.. purely made point in terms of transformation, most choices you mentioned are all within the very format. Again, look at your fickle mindedness in suggesting that even Eega was 'safely' within the format and that its praise shows up people, in Eega thread. Now from a man suggesting that about E, isn't 'finding variations' in these films, all consistent? For your own listed transformation of mainstream heros, which are extremely mainstream and a set pattern..
All these are from the industry that you have, MY LORD. I have proved that they are also trying and TF isn't different. I fail to understand how "TF" is different from telugu while we safely copy that junk stuff. :lol2:


And it's not like this was appreciated. Most have brushed aside these roles from Nerd (drop kick to hero's face: Ravi Teja), Plum (pukes for Ram Charan, etc). Both their estimation of acting have been very detailed. While you're a flag-bearing MGR, Ajith fan. Sorry, I know whose estimation is much more meaningful without agendas.
Why are you bringing other hubbers? :confused2: Agenda driven.. Oru mannum puriyala.. If you feel their estimation was "more meaningful", so be it. Itha aen enkitta sollura kannu. Feel pannikko


If this is the par you set, Something from top of my mind:
a)Simbhu doing VTV,
b)Surya doing Nanda
d) Surya doing bodhidarman
c) Arya doing N.K
d) Maddy doing Run, AE
e) Jeeva doing Mugamoodi
and so on..
Explained above. Simbhu did Kovil before. He was totally different in VTV and in Silambattam too in parts. Surya doing Nandha. In telugu, even the established heroes are doing this those who are famous only for mass. We are not discussing situation where people have nothing to worry.


Also the main crux of this argument is how is this progressing the industry or moving forward. Your love for mainstream heroes & 'surprise' of their slightly updated screen registry is all so cute, but shall we move on to the general topic at hand?
When big heroes are doing different movies and directors join them to deliver/mold them, it is a healthy sign. OTOH, if a set number of heroes known for consistently delivering only different movies isn't a big thing. Vikram pannathu thaa.. But if you see a Rajini doing Kuselan or any off beat movie, that is a different thing. Like Rajini doing a spiritual role (not baba) but a complete on. Slowly people will start expecting similar ones from them. Endhiran scientist role kooda ithu oru step. But we need more. I am pointing to that only. I fail to process how our quality is better compared to them. Comedy, interesting screenplay (twists, nalla supporting roles) ithellam namakku illa. But I could see that even in tukkada telugu movies.


Let me read this right, are you suggesting 'wasn't boring at all' as criteria? :lol:
Selective quoting of text :lol: Intha pazhakkam hub la udaathu pola. Vidaathu karuppu. Read my second line there.

[selvakumar]

If this is your idea of difference, that is superficial genre variation (like Yamadonga, Magadheera).. then vonAm-ngrEn.
Actually in Maga/E as well, it is sense of visuals and aural design that makes it compelling big screen experience. The production values are top notch.. for the industry.
And all your samples all fall outside that Telugu TM-ed regressive framework? How? All well within standards, and have always been part of Telugu film world. ARe you a beginner?
The only real progression at any level, is the effort with which SSR executes his films visually. From some vision of the image, storyboarding..all the way up to post-production, there's a skillfull filmmaker there. Let me tell you. Give that script to our directors. They will fail. Give Bodhidharman kind of movie to SSR, he won't let you down for that budget. His screenplays makes it an interesting watch if you can ignore the first half where he starts building up the context. I haven't seen this in the recen tyears in tamil cinema leave alone production values.


That aside, most of your post doesn't really explain how it is all 'moving forward' or 'progression'.
For a film industry known for its mass and over the top commercials, they are heading in the right direction to deliver both feel good and commercial/mass movies. We just copy them. Honestly how would you call such an industry as moving backwards while we are importing their content or make films to satisfy them.


Thank lord for that.
Welcome Lord.

[selvakumar]

You've topped yourself. Appalling comprehension skill. Just read the part again. I'm CLEARLY asking you to prove where Brahmi straddles both modes.
Where do I even suggest GM has done VV type comedies?
Poor.
Adapaavi, nee thaanE Brahmi is mix of GM and VV-nu sonna, ippo ennana 'totally different comedian'-ngra.
Sariyaana comedy nee.
Sorry if I didn't understand that part. I meant he can switch between both type of comedies rather than just being a timing guy like Santhanam or a comedian known just for his amazing body language. He is wonderful mix and that makes him even more special. Again not just in terms of just being a combination of these guys but with a skill to play both the types. That's why I provided that video link. Brahmi doesn't need a Senthil to enforce or bring that Vadivelu context in his comedies. He can do both easily.


I clearly explained why Magadheera is an achievement for this industry, and that should suggest how backward they are. And even suggested 'E' might be the one which is actually 'forward' at some level. Also how is this sudden, have always maintained my views on SSR here in multiple threads and first page of this thread as well.
Poor comprehension skill again.
As for Trite, they are. From laughably lack of nuance of Rayalseema to compromised depitction of coastal Andhra (could even suggest this part) to their racist depicition of Thamizhs (a particular Allu Arjuna film) to sexism of women in general. And lack of rootedness in their foreign fetishism.
As an industry who are just copying their content, how are we avoiding racisim, sexism etc :lol2: Oh.. Oru vela naama pannuna athu better oh :P illa accept panni kitta naama forward aayiruvome.. Super :clap:


Mushy romance galore in Siddarth genre, from same industry taht gave the Marriage book (:bow: stamina to the same man for making SRR)
I'd deeply resist the mind that appreciates this as 'forward'. Let alone, consume it all as 'entertaining'.
And you want to accept another industry that copies their content as something that is progressing. Wonderful. Amazing.. Super..


So edha pOttalum, saappidu.. Naan ennangrEn. Soda powder pOttalum unakku erangum :lol:
En soda powder ah vaangi neenga samayal senji athu supernnu sollatha varai OK :lol:


But idhu adhavida better'nu inga pudhu agenda create panradhellam semma comedy. Don't advocate your awful taste, and expect it to be unchallenged.
Don't "force/bring/try to certify" your roting logic to enforce "quality". Don't expect other people to just walk over it. But you have a strong weapon. Post in pages and not in chunks. I will accept my defeat immediately :notworthy:

[ajaybaskar]

Joe Anne,

Ippo ungalukku sandhoshama?

[selvakumar]

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[P_R]

Guys, keep the gloves on.

[Plum]

avLo dhAnA? innum forceA advise paNNunga saar. Facebookla strategy ellAm pOttu attack paNdrAngo - konjam forcea neenga react paNNa dhAnE avangaLukku veR(R)i?

[Plum]

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[P_R]

The debate is all fine, calling into question each other's judgement or lack thereof is fine as long as it doesn't deteriorate into what it has.
I think the points have been made and readers have inferred what they need to about either side of the debate. However, if you guys do want to discuss any further I'd suggest getting beyond these 'trading blows'.

[P_R]

*shoulders a wide and swinging away ball*
commentator: no need to play that one.

[selvakumar]

Just to clarify - Checked my facebook wall. Not sure what he is referring to. Personal attack, family attack ithellam naan pannaleenga. Even in FB, I would have generally posted something. My FB posts on hub related things are 1 or 2. But no not in that level :oops: [before someone makes some assumptions since few are quite new to the hub. Most of the hubbers are in my friend list and would like to know what he is referring to. .]

[kid-glove]

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[selvakumar]

Fair enough Moderator P_R. Out of this discussion anyway. :wave: Continue guys :)

[P_R]

Guys, I made some edits. Let's not relapse.

[Plum]

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[Mahen]

:lol: for PR's reason for editing the posts

[SoftSword]

u spoiled a weekend pr...

[venkkiram]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFMRShrOoRs

இந்த காணொளியைப் பாருங்கள். ஒரு மண்ணுக்கும் பிரயோஜனமாக இல்லாத ஒன்றாக உங்களுக்கு தோணலாம். ஆனாலும் அதையே கூடுமானவரை மெச்சூர்டா பேசக்கூடிய இளைஞர் பட்டாளம் இருக்கிறது பாலிவுட்டில். இதுபோன்ற படங்கள், அதற்கு நாயகியாக பாலியலை தொழிலாகவே செய்துகொண்டிருக்கும் ஒரு பெண் நடிப்பது.. பிரதான பாத்திரங்களில் நடித்தவர்களே மீடியாக்களுடன் தங்கள் படப்பிடிப்பு மற்றும் சினிமா சம்பந்தப்பட்ட அனுபவங்களை/அறிவினை பகிர்ந்து கொள்வது.... இந்த நிலையை கோடம்பாக்கம் எட்டுவது ரொம்ப வருடங்களாகும் என நினைக்கிறேன். இதுபோன்ற பாலியல் உணர்வுகளை மையமாக வைத்த படங்கள் இல்லாமல், சாதாரண படங்களில் நடிக்கும் நம்ம கோடம்பாக்க இளைஞர்/இளைஞகள் எப்படி இதுபோன்ற மீடியா உரையாடல்களில் தேய்ந்துபோன வாக்கியங்களை ஒப்பிக்கிறார்கள் என்பது வெட்ட வெளிச்சம்.

[selvakumar]

Venki - What are you trying to say?

[SoftSword]

namma industry neraya complan saappidanumnu solraar...

[groucho070]

:lol: pAliyal = prostitution? She's a porn actress, does that make her a prostitute? Porn industry is a legitimate big industry elsewhere where it's permissible.

[app_engine]

pAliyal = prostitution?

illeenga...pAliyal = science of pAl :-) (i.e. simply, sex)

prostitution = pAliyal thozhil (sex work)

:-)

[app_engine]

BTW, with NEPV, TF industry has once again asserted its far-superior / advanced position in music!

No other movie industry in India is anywhere close!

[SoftSword]

jus watched the S Leone video... she does not sound so dumb like the regular actors...
seekram kootti vandhu oru paalayatthamman sequel release pannungayya...

[selvakumar]

illeenga...pAliyal = science of pAl :-) (i.e. simply, sex)

prostitution = pAliyal thozhil (sex work)

:-)

Venki said - " அதற்கு நாயகியாக பாலியலை தொழிலாகவே செய்துகொண்டிருக்கும் ஒரு பெண் நடிப்பது". Just shows his understanding of Sunny Leone. Ivara ippadinna.. Not sure how many of our Indian citizens posting in the net would have understood her profession really. While we can debate on the moral side of her profession, as of now it is not listed in *that* context.

[selvakumar]

jus watched the S Leone video... she does not sound so dumb like the regular actors... .
Educated woman.


seekram kootti vandhu oru paalayatthamman sequel release pannungayya.
Itha ethukku sollureenga ? :confused2: .

[groucho070]

and what's wrong if she is a porn star or prostitute. Mattathungga pinnAla seyiratha, ivangga munnAla seyirangga.

[MADDY]

http://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/rockstar-10-things-you-should-know-about-the-film/


“The film wanted to get itself made. It decided when it wanted to get made, how it wanted to get made and by who. I decided to never to get in its way. Because I always knew that this film was bigger than me.”

i dont see any director is any other industry topping those lines for a movie promotion....

[Bala (Karthik)]

"The film wanted to get itself made. It decided when it wanted to get made, how it wanted to get made and by who. I decided to never to get in its way. Because I always knew that this film was bigger than me.”"

:rotfl2:



i dont see any director is any other industry topping those lines for a movie promotion....
This is like Vijay Rewards category inventions/innovation. Dharalama vechukkalaam, no competition :lol:

[P_R]

Kashyapar (https://twitter.com/ankash1009/status/245161448492396544)

For all of those accusing "Aiyyaa" of racism.. see the film.. it actually makes fun of all things cliche by using them ..
Hmm..

irundhaalum, avinga criminal history-yai karuththil koNdu naama konjam sandhEgappaduradhu dhaan nalladhu.

[Mahen]

Imtiaz oda statement konjam komedya iruku

[Nerd]

P_R santhEgamE vENdaam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYK1o261F18

[selvakumar]

Obscene song. Stereotype pannitaanunga.. The director must have watched lot of dubbed south Indian movies in Star Gold and other Hindi channels. :P

[P_R]

:x
Release tayathtula oru paper padikka mudiyAdhu, nees channel pArkka mudiyAdhu. kaduppai kiLappuvaanunga.

[Plum]

EmpA ivLo tensan - Maharashtrian milieuvAmE. puyal Juhu karaiyai kadandhudum. We the escape!

[Nerd]

Just noticed that Amit T is the MD for Aiyya and that song. Really?! I mean really :shock:

Not becuase of the racial overtones or anything but this song is plain stupid. Even amateur composers can make better songs than this. Chikni chameli and other wannabe south kuththus are much better than this. Amit thambi :(

[SoftSword]

Educated woman.


Itha ethukku sollureenga ? :confused2: .

family friendly amman movies'la nadikka vekkalaamnu kaetaen...

[SoftSword]

and what's wrong if she is a porn star or prostitute. Mattathungga pinnAla seyiratha, ivangga munnAla seyirangga.

quite insightful post!!