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groucho070
18th July 2012, 02:48 PM
Thanks Sakala, lovely find.

SoftSword
18th July 2012, 02:59 PM
Yes...for example, no word can begin with "க்" (the consonant 'ik') but a word can obviously begin with "க" (the uyir mey ezhuththu ka, which is the addition of ik+a).

Even among uyir-mey, there're restrictions, like word cannot begin with ra, Ra, la, La, zha etc. (That's why you see irAsA, Era.Murugan, iLakkuvaNan, irAman etc)

There's no such rule in English - sky, practical (any number of ejjAmples possible).

vadamozhi is similar to English in this regard (sthree, prabhu quick examples).

ah ok... yes it cant start with mei...
i got confused with uyirmei...

ofcourse ra, Ra, la are all idaiyinams which are meant to be coming in between...

btw, that thread is a funny language thread... thamizhukku thaniyaa thread, adhula mattha language kooda comparision irundhaa paravaala... aana yaarum ambulance koopda maatraanga...

*** very sorry for the diggression folks :oops:
app don reply here, u can reply in that funny language thread for time being...

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
18th July 2012, 03:02 PM
Thanks Sakala, lovely find.

Trolly forward this praise to "Bhanu Madam" from Orkut :) Avanga thaan Magazine articles udanukkudan post panniduvaanga! Iam just copy paste!

groucho070
18th July 2012, 03:30 PM
Good good, I am not an Orkutter (how do you call them?), so please intha sevai, remba remba thevai...:smile:

SoftSword
18th July 2012, 03:31 PM
appar, sundharar maadhiri irukku orkutter...
Orkuttan would be apt for u.

hattori_hanzo
18th July 2012, 06:53 PM
http://s1-02.twitpicproxy.com/photos/full/619757405.jpg?key=490186

faithiu11
18th July 2012, 09:35 PM
Nikil Murugan ‏@onlynikil
Kamal Haasan Reacts to Rajesh Khanna's Death Video at Nikhilscinema
http://nikhilscinema.com/video/kamal-haasan-reacts-to-rajesh-khannas-death-video.html

irir123
18th July 2012, 10:33 PM
as a sidenote: we may also include the following word 'karvaat' (the urban way of saying 'karuvaadu') made popular by vaigai puyal in singaravelan!

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
20th July 2012, 04:00 PM
http://www.sramakrishnan.com/?p=2999


அழகே அழகு (http://www.sramakrishnan.com/?p=2999)

சில திரையிசைப் பாடல்கள் கேட்ட முதல்நாளில் இருந்து இன்று வரை அதன் ஈர்ப்பை அப்படியே வைத்திருக்கின்றன, அதில் ஒன்று ராஜபார்வை படத்தில் இடம் பெற்ற ஜேசுதாஸ் பாடியுள்ள அழகே அழகு தேவதை பாடல் கவியரசர் கண்ணதாசன் எழுதிய இப்பாடல் பாதாதி கேசம் பெண்ணை வர்ணிக்கும் மரபில் உருவானது, பாடலை ரசித்து அழகாக எழுதியிருக்கிறார் கவியரசர், எளிமையும், வியப்பும் ஒருங்கே கொண்ட பாடலது, கண்ணை மூடிக் கொண்டுவிட்டால் மனதில் ஒரு பெண்உருவம் தோன்றி பாடல் கேட்பவரை தன்வசமாக்குகிறது,

ராஜபார்வை தமிழ்சினிமாவில் முக்கியமான ஒரு படம், இந்த படத்தை ஒவ்வொரு முறை பார்க்கும் போது புதிதுபுதிதாக ஆச்சரியங்கள் உருவாகிக் கொண்டேயிருக்கின்றன. இன்று வெளியாகியிருக்க வேண்டிய ஒரு திரைப்படத்தை முப்பது ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன்னதாக எப்படி உருவாக்கினார் கமல்ஹாசன் என்று வியப்பாகவே உள்ளது

வேறுமாநிலங்களில் இருந்து நடிகைகளை மட்டுமே தமிழ்சினிமாவில் அறிமுகம் செய்து கொண்டிருந்த சூழலில் ராஜபார்வையில் இடம்பெற்ற கலைஞர்களின் பட்டியலைப் பாருங்கள், படத்தின் இயக்குனர் தெலுங்குத் திரையுலகைச் சேர்ந்த சிங்கிதம் சீனிவாசராவ், ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் வங்காளத்தைச் சேர்ந்த பிரபல ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் பரூண் முகர்ஜி, முக்கியக் கதாபாத்திரமொன்றில் நடித்திருப்பவர் தெலுங்கு தமிழ் திரைப்படங்களின் முக்கியத் தயாரிப்பாளரும், நடிகருமான எல்.வி.பிரசாத், இன்னொரு முக்கியக் கதாபாத்திரம் கேரளாவைச் சேர்ந்த K.P.A.C. லலிதா, இவர் இயக்குனர் பரதனின் மனைவி. மாதவியின் அப்பாவாக நடித்திருப்பவர் ஆங்கில நாடகங்களில் நடித்துப் புகழ்பெற்ற ஏவி.தனுஷ்கோடி, இவர் அமெரிக்கத் தூதரகத்தில் பல ஆண்டுகள் பணியாற்றியவர், சிறந்த ஒவியர், ஜெர்மனியில் இருந்து தமிழிற்கு மொழிபெயர்ப்புகள் செய்திருப்பவர், படத்தின் உயிரோட்டமாக இருந்தவர் இசைஞானி இளையராஜா, இவர்களுடன் கண்ணதாசன், வைரமுத்து இருவரின் அற்புதமான பாடல்கள், இப்படி படத்தின் உருவாக்கத்தில் இந்திய சினிமாவின் முக்கிய ஆளுமைகள் பலரும் ஒன்றிணைந்திருக்கிறார்கள், ஆனால் படம் வணிகரீதியாக பெரிய வெற்றியைப் பெறவில்லை, அதற்கான முக்கிய காரணம் கமல்ஹாசனின் நூறாவது படம் என்பது குறித்து அவரது ரசிகர்கள் மிதமிஞ்சிய எதிர்ப்பார்ப்பைக் கொண்டிருந்தார்கள், அதை நிறைவேற்றி வணிகவெற்றி பெறுவதைவிடவும் தனக்கு விருப்பமான ஒரு கதையை, விருப்பமான தொழில்நுட்பக்குழுவினரைக் கொண்டு உருவாக்க வேண்டும் என்ற எண்ணத்துடன் கமல்ஹாசன் இப்படத்தைத் தயாரித்திருந்தார்,

இசையை மையமாகக் கொண்ட படமாக அமைந்ததோடு சம்பிரதாயமான காதல்காட்சிகள், சண்டைகள், திடீர் திருப்பங்கள் எதுவுமில்லாமல் மாறுபட்ட கதைசொல்லும்முறையை கொண்டிருந்ததை அன்றைய ரசிகர்கள் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ளவில்லை, அதற்கு காரணம் அன்று தமிழ் சினிமா உருவாக்கி வைத்திருந்த பொது ரசனை,

1981களில் மாறுபட்ட காதல்கதைகளைக் கொண்ட திரைப்படங்கள் வெளியாகியிருந்தன, அதில் பன்னீர்புஷ்பங்க்ள், பாலைவனச்சோலை, இன்று போய் நாளை வா, அலைகள் ஒய்வதில்லை ஆகிய நான்கு படங்களும் நான்குவிதமான காதல்கதைகளை சுவாரஸ்யமாகச் சொல்லி வணிகரீதியாக வெற்றி பெற்றன, இந்த ஆண்டு வெளியான மகேந்திரன் இயக்கிய நண்டு புதிய கதைக்களனோடு வெளியானது, ஆனால் படம் வணிக வெற்றியை பெறவில்லை, அது போன்ற ஒரு சூழலே ராஜபார்வைக்கும் நேர்ந்த்து,

அழகே அழகு தேவதை பாடல் படமாக்கபட்டுள்ள விதம் சிறப்பானது, கேமிரா நகர்வதற்கு போதுமான அளவு கூட இல்லாத ஒரே வீடு, அதற்குள் முழுப்பாடலும் எடுக்கபட்டிருக்கிறது, ஆடம்பரமில்லை, பகட்டான ஆடை அணிகள் இல்லை, மாதவியின் கிளர்ச்சியூட்டும் அழகு தான் பாடலின் மையப்புள்ளி. பாடல் இடம் பெறும் சூழல் கதையின் போக்கில் ஒரு முக்கியத் தருணம். பாடலின் துவக்கமும் முடிவும் அதைக் கதையோடு சேர்ந்த பாடலாகப் பொருந்த வைக்கிறது,

இப்படத்தில் திரைப்படப் பின்னணி இசை சேர்க்கும் குழுவில் உள்ள பார்வையற்ற வயலின் இசைக்கலைஞராக கமல்ஹாசன் நடித்திருக்கிறார், கதை எழுதுவதற்காக அவரைச் சந்திக்கும் மாதவி அவரோடு நெருங்கிப் பழகத் துவங்குகிறார், இவரும் ஒருநாள் சமையல் செய்கிறார்கள், சமையல் புத்தகத்தை பார்த்துச் சமைக்க முற்படும் போது எதிர்பாராத விதமாக சமையல்பொருள்களை மாதவி மீது கொட்டிவிடுகிறார் கமல், அவள் குளித்துவிட்டு ஈரத்தலையில் ஒரு துண்டைக் கட்டிக் கொண்டவராக அமர்ந்திருக்கையில் அவளது அழகை வியந்து பாடுவதாகவே இப்பாடல் இடம் பெற்றுள்ளது

அழகே அழகு, தேவதை என்ற மூன்று வார்த்தைகளில் அவளது அழகின் மீதான லயப்பு முழுமையாக வெளிப்பட்டுவிடுகிறது, அதிலும் அழகு என்று உச்சரிக்கும் போது ஏற்படும் சிலிரிப்பு பின்வரும் தேவதை என்ற சொல்லின் வழியே நிறைவு அடைகிறது,
ராஜபார்வை முழுவதும் இளையராஜாவின் இசை ராஜாங்கம் தான், குறிப்பாக பார்வையற்றோர் பள்ளியில் நடைபெறும் வயலின் இசை நிகழ்வில் அவர் அமைத்துள்ள இசைக்கோர்வை உலகத்தரமானது, இப்பாடலின் துவக்கத்தில் ஜேசுதாஸின் ஹம்மிங் மயக்ககூடியது,
ஒவியத்தின் மீது கமல்ஹாசனுக்கு எப்போதுமே ஆர்வம் அதிகம், அவரது படங்களில் ஒவியர்கள் கதாபாத்திரமாக வருவதுண்டு, அவரே அன்பே சிவத்தில் ஒவியராக நடித்திருக்கிறார், காதலா காதலாவிலும் ஒவியம் வரைபவராக பிரபுதேவா சித்தரிக்கபடுவார்,

விருமாண்டியிலும் ஒரு ஒவியர் முக்கிய சம்பவங்களின் சாட்சியாக இருப்பார், இப்பாடலில் மாதவி சித்திரம் வரைந்து கொண்டிருக்க அவரது ஒவ்வொரு அங்கமாக தொட்டுணர்ந்து கமல்ஹாசன் பாடுகிறார், தனது அழகைப்பற்றி பாடுவதை உள்ளுற ரசித்தபடியே அவரைசீண்டிக் கொண்டிருக்கிறார் மாதவி, குறிப்பாக பட்டன் அணியாத மேல்சட்டையுடன் உள்ள கமலின் உணர்ச்சிபாவங்களும், அவரது தலையில் செல்லமாகத் தட்டி விளையாட்டுகாட்டும் மாதவியின் நளினமும் காதல்வசப்பட்ட அவர்களின் நெருக்கத்தை தெளிவாக காட்சிபடுத்தியிருக்கின்றன. படியில் அமர்ந்திருந்த மாதவியைக் காணவில்லை என்று கமல் தேடும்போது அவரது விரலைப்பற்றி பல்லிடுக்கில் வைத்துக் கடிக்கும் அவரது குறும்புதனமும் விடுபடாத விரலோடு ததும்பும் மனமயக்கத்தில் அந்த இதழ்களை தொட்டு அறிந்து அவர் பாடுகிறார்

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அறைக்குள்ளாகவே பாடல் படமாக்கபட்டுள்ளது, ஆனால் மாறுபட்ட கோணங்கள், உணர்ச்சிநிலைகள், ஊடல் என அந்தரங்க நெருக்கத்தை தருகிறது இப்பாடல், அதற்கு முக்கிய காரணம் இளையராஜாவின் நேர்த்தியான இசையும் யேசுதாஸின் மென்மையான குரலும் பருண் முகர்ஜியின் கவித்துவமான ஒளிப்பதிவும், நடனமில்லாமல் இயல்பாக உணர்ச்சிகளை வெளிப்படுத்திய கமல் மற்றும் மாதவியின் நடிப்புமே, இவையே பாடலின் வெற்றிக்கான முதன்மைக் காரணங்கள்

ராஜபார்வை படத்தில் குறிப்பிட்டுள்ள சொல்ல வேண்டிய மூவர், தாத்தாவாக நடித்துள்ள எல்வி பிரசாத், இவர் பிரசாத் ஸ்டுடியோவின் அதிபர், தெலுங்கில் நடிகராக அறிமுமாகி முக்கியத் தமிழ் தெலுங்கு தயாரிப்பாளராக பல புகழ்பெற்ற படங்களை உருவாக்கியவர், படத்தில் அவரது கதாபாத்திரம் வித்தியாசமானது, தனது பேத்தியின் காதலுக்காக அவர் நடந்து கொள்ளும விதம், இரவில் சாலையில் நிற்கும் கமலிடம் பெர்த்டே வாழ்த்து சொல்லும் அன்பு, மாதவியின் காதலைப்பற்றி முன்பே தெரியுமா எனக் கோபத்துடன் கேட்கும் மகனிடம் தடுமாற்றதுடன் சமாளிக்கும் பாங்கு, இறுதிக் காட்சியில் தேவாலயத்தில் இருந்து காதலர்களை சேர்த்து வைக்கும் போது வெளிப்படும் அவரது உறுதியான மனப்போக்கு யாவும் அவரை மறக்கமுடியாத ஒரு நடிகராக மாற்றிவிடுகின்றன,

இது போன்ற பாத்திரப்படைப்புகள் இன்று தமிழ் சினிமாவில் நிறைய வந்துவிட்டன, ஆனால் ராஜபார்வை தான் அதன் முதல்முயற்சி, அதற்கு முந்திய ஆண்டுகளில் வயதானவர்கள் என்றாலே ஒரே மெலோடிராமாவாக இருக்கும், அதைத் தூக்கிப்போட்டுவிட்டு புதியதொரு கதாபாத்திரமாக எல்விபிரசாத்தின் தாத்தா ரோல் உருவாக்கபட்டிருக்கிறது

இது போலவே படத்தில் தனித்து பாராட்ட இன்னொரு கலைஞர் ஏவி தனுஷ்கோடி, ஆங்கிலப்பேராசிரியராக சில ஆண்டுகாலம் பணியாற்றிய இவர் இருபது ஆண்டுகள் அமெரிக்க தூதரகத்தில் பொருளதாரப்பிரிவில் ஆலோசகராக பணியாற்றியவர், ஆங்கில நாடகங்களில் நடித்துப் புகழ் பெற்றவர், தேர்ந்த ஒவியர், மொழிபெயர்ப்பாளர், இவர் மாதவியின் தந்தையாக நடித்திருக்கிறார்,
படபடப்பும், முன்கோபமும் கொண்ட கதாபாத்திரமது, அவரது கார் வி.கே.ராமசாமி காரோடு மோதும் போது ஏற்படும் கோபம், வீட்டிற்கு அழைத்துவரப்பட்ட கமல்ஹாசனிடம் தன்னை அறிமுகம் செய்து கொள்ளும் விதம், மகளிடம் கோபத்தில் கத்தும் போது ஏற்படும் உணர்ச்சிவேகம், பெண்கேட்டு வந்த கமல்ஹாசன் முன்பாக அப்பாவியாக கேட்கும் இயல்பு, இரவில் குடித்துவிட்டு தன்வீட்டின் முன்பு கலாட்டா செய்யும் கமல் கோஷ்டியைக் கண்டு ஏற்படும் ஆத்திரம் என்று தனுஷ்கோடி சிறப்பாக நடித்திருக்கிறார், இவ்வளவு தேர்ந்த நடிகர் ஏன் தமிழ்சினிமாவால் அதிகம் கண்டுகொள்ளப்படாமல் போனார் என்பது ஆதங்கமாகவே உள்ளது,

இது போலவே கமலின் சிற்றன்னையாக வரும் K.P.A.C. லலிதா, அரியதொரு கதாபாத்திரம், வழக்கமான சித்தி போல கொடுமைக்காரியாக அவர் சித்தரிக்கபட்ட போதும் வீடு தேடிவந்து அவர் கமலிடம் பேசும் முறையும், அவருக்காக விகேராமசாமியிடம் பெண் கேட்பதும், போலீஸில் இருந்து மகனை மீட்டுவந்து காட்டும் அக்கறையும், மாதவி வீட்டில் போய் பேசும் கம்பீரமும், தான் விரும்பிய பெண்ணை கமல் ஒத்துக் கொள்ள மறுக்கும் போது காட்டும் ஆதங்கமும் என K.P.A.C. லலிதா தேர்ந்த நடிகை என்பதை நிருபணம் செய்திருக்கிறார், அவருக்கும் கமலிற்குமான உரையாடல்கள் கூர்மையாக எழுதப்பட்டுள்ளன,

எண்பதுகளில் வெளியான மலையாளத்திரைப்படங்களின் அழகியலை ஒத்தே ராஜபார்வை உருவாக்க்பட்டிருக்கிறது, மொத்தபடத்திலும் பத்தே கதாபாத்திரங்கள், அதிலும் நான்கு பேர் தான் முக்கியமானவர்கள், அவர்களை சுற்றியே படம் இயங்குகிறது. சம்பிரதாயமான காட்சிகள் என ஒன்று கூட கிடையாது, கமல் குடியிருக்கும் வீடு, அவரது ஒலிப்பதிவு கூடம், பார்வையற்றோர் பள்ளி யாவும் மிக இயல்பாக, யதார்த்தமான பின்புலமாக உருவாக்கபட்டிருக்கிறது,

1980 ஆண்டு சாய் பரஞ்சிபே ஸ்பார்ஷ் என்றொரு படத்தை இயக்கினார், இதில் நஸ்ருதீன்ஷா பார்வையற்றவராக நடித்திருக்கிறார், இப்படத்திற்கு ராஜபார்வைக்கும் நிறைய ஒற்றுமைகள் இருக்கின்றன, இரண்டிலும் முக்கியக் கதாபாத்திரங்கள் மற்றவர்களிடம் இருந்து உதவியை மட்டுமே எதிர்பார்க்கிறார்கள், blind need help not pity or charity என்பதே இருவரது எண்ணமும்,

இரண்டிலும் பார்வையற்றோர் பள்ளி முக்கியக் களமாக உள்ளது, ஸ்பார்ஷ் படத்தில் ஷபனா ஆஸ்மி கதாநாயகியாக நடித்திருக்கிறார், அவரது தோற்றம் மற்றும் கேசத்தை வாறிவிடும் இயல்பு ஆகியவை போலவே மாதவியின் தோற்றமும் உள்ளது,

ஸ்பார்ஷ் படத்தில் ஒரு நாள் ஷபனா ஆஸ்மியின் பாடலை தற்செயலாக கேட்ட நஸ்ரூதீன் ஷா அவரைத் தனது பள்ளியில் உள்ள மாணவர்களுக்கு பாட்டு கற்றுதரும்படியான சேவைக்கு அழைக்கிறார், விதவையான ஷபனா ஆஸ்மி தயங்கி ஏற்றுக் கொள்கிறார், இருவரும் பேசிப்பழகி ஒருவரையொருவர் அறிந்துகொள்கிறார்கள், ஷபனாவைக் காதலிக்கத் துவங்குகிறார் நஸ்ரூதீன் ஷா, அவர்களது திருமணம் நிச்சயக்கபடுகிறது, ஆனால் கருத்துவேறுபாடால் திருமணம் நின்று போகிறது, ஷபனா முன்பு போலவே பார்வையற்றோர் பள்ளியில் பாடல் சொல்லிக் கொடுத்தபடியே தனது நாட்களை கழிக்கிறார், முடிவில் ஒருவரையொருவர் புரிந்து கொள்கிறார்கள்,

இப்படத்தின் கதையும் ராஜபார்வையின் கதையும் வேறுபட்டவை, ஒருவேளை ஸ்பார்ஷ் படத்திற்கு கிடைத்த வரவேற்பும் அங்கீகாரமும் காரணமாக கமல் ராஜபார்வையை உருவாக்கியிருக்க்கூடும், நஸ்ரூதீன் ஷாவிற்கு இப்படத்திற்காக தேசிய விருது கிடைத்துள்ளது குறிப்பிடத்தக்கது, ஆனால் தமிழ் சினிமாவில் அதன்முன்புவரை இப்படியொரு கதாபாத்திரம் உருவாக்கபடவில்லை,

ஒரு நடிகராக கமலின் இன்னொரு உயரிய பரிமாணம் இப்படத்தில் வெளிப்பட்டுள்ளது, வழக்கமான டுயட்டுகள், சண்டைகாட்சிகள், நகைச்சுவை காட்சிகள் எதுவும் படத்தில் இல்லை, படம் முழுவதும் பார்வையற்றவரின் மொழியாக இசையே உள்ளது, அம்மாவிடம் கமல் வயலினில் பேசும் காட்சியில் மாஸ்ட்ரோ இளையராஜாவின் இசை விளையாடுகிறது, பாடலைக் கேட்கும் ஒவ்வொரு முறையும் மாவிலை பாதமோ என்ற உவமை கண்ணதாசனின் கற்பனையை கொண்டாட வைக்கிறது, அவ்வகையில் இப்பாடல் அழகே அழகு என்று தான் சொல்ல வேண்டும்
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ஹாலிவுட் திரையுலகில் வூடிஆலன் ஒரு கலக்க்கார இயக்குனர், எதையெல்லாம் அமெரிக்க மக்கள் வெளிப்படையாகப் பேசத்தயங்குகிறார்களோ அவற்றைத் தனது படங்களின் வழியே நேரடியாகப் பேசக்கூடியவர், அமெரிக்க கலாச்சார வாழ்வின் பொய்மைகளை நகைச்சுவையாக வெளிப்படுத்தகூடியவர், செக்ஸ், பாலிடிக்ஸ், ஆர்ட்ஸ் என்று ஒவ்வொரு துறையிலும் அமெரிக்க மக்களின் ரசனையும் ஈடுபாடு எப்படி உருவாக்கபடுகிறது என்பதை இவரைப் போல பகடி செய்தவர் எவருமில்லை, ஒருவகையில் அமெரிக்க மத்திய தர வாழ்க்கையின் மனசாட்சியை போல வாழ்பவர், சிறந்த நடிகர், இயக்குனர், தயாரிப்பாளர், எழுத்தாளர், திரைக்கதை ஆசிரியர், இப்படி சொல்லிக் கொண்டே போகலாம்

ரிச்சர்ட் சீகெல் என்ற பத்திரிக்கையாளர் இவரை ஒரு நீண்ட நேர்காணல் நடத்தியிருக்கிறார், அது தொலைக்காட்சியில் ஒளிரப்பாகி மிகுந்த வரவேற்பை பெற்றது, அந்த நிகழ்வின் தொகுப்பு போல உருவாக்கபட்ட புத்தகமே WOODY ALLEN: A LIFE IN FILM. இதில் வூடி ஆலன் தனது திரைப்படங்களின் உருவாக்கம் மற்றும் அதன் பின்புலமாக உள்ள தனது சிந்தனைகளைப் பகிர்ந்து கொண்டிருக்கிறார். சுவாரஸ்யமான புத்தகமிது, வூடி ஆலனின் படங்கள் இரண்டு தலைமுறையாக இன்றும் அதே வசீகரத்துடன் ஆர்வத்துடன் பார்க்கப்பட்டு வருகின்றன,

வூடிஆலனின் நகைச்சுவை உணர்வு பிரபலமானது, அவரது வசனங்கள் ஹாலிவுட்டில் அடிக்கடி மேற்கோள்களாக சொல்லப்படுபவை,
அவரது புகழ்பெற்ற ஒரு வசனம்

The difference between sex and death is, with death you can do it alone and nobody’s going to make fun of you.

சமீபத்தில் வூடி ஆலன் எழுதி இயக்கியிருக்கும் திரைப்படம் “Midnight in paris” , இப்படம் இலக்கியவாதிகளின் காலத்திற்குள் பிரவேசிக்கும் கனவுப்பயணம் பற்றியது, பாரீஸ் நகரைப்பற்றி ஹெமிங்வே எழுதியுள்ள குறிப்புகளை முன்வைத்து உருவாக்கபட்ட ஒரு மாயச்சித்திரம் எனலாம்

கில் பென்டெர் ஒரு எழுத்தாளர். அவன் தனது ஆதர்ச நாவலை முடிக்க முடியாமல் சிரமப்படுகிறான், அப்போது தனக்கு நிச்சயமான பெண்ணுட்ன் பாரீஸ் செல்ல நேர்கிறது. கலைகளின் கூடாரமான பாரீஸ் அவனை மிகவும் ஈர்த்துவிடுகிறது, அவனது காதலியின் குடும்பமோ ஆடம்பரமும் பகட்டும் கொண்டது, அவர்களின் இரவு விருந்தில் கலந்து கொள்ள விருப்பமற்று வெளியேறிப் போகிறான் கில்,
இரவு பன்னிரண்டு மணி அடிக்கும்போது ஒரு கார் அருகில் வந்து நிற்கிறது. அது பழங்காலத்து கார், அதிலிருந்து பழங்கால பாணியில் உடை அணிந்த சிலர் இறங்கி கில்லை தங்களுடன் வரும்படி 1920ம் வருசத்திற்கு அழைத்துப் போகிறார்கள், காலம் புரண்டு பின்னால் போகிறது

1920களில் பாரீஸ் ஒவியம் இலக்கியம் கவிதை இசை என்று ஒரே கேளிக்கையாக இருக்கிறது, அங்கே கில் தனது ஆதர்ச எழுத்தாளர் ஹெமிங்வேயை சந்திக்கிறான், அவர் நீ என்ன எழுதிக் கொண்டிருக்கிறாய் என்று அன்போடு விசாரிக்கிறார், கில் தனது கதையைச் சொல்கிறான், அவனுக்கு எழுத்தாளர் கிர்ட்ரூட் ஸ்டெயினை அறிமுகம் செய்து வைப்பதாக ஹெமிங்வே சொல்கிறார், கில்லால் நம்பவே முடியவில்லை, அவன் ஹோட்டலுக்கு போய் தனது நாவலின் பிரதியை எடுத்துவரப்போகிறான், வெளியே வந்து பார்த்தால் காலம் புரண்டு மீண்டும் 2010ம் ஆண்டாக உள்ளது,

மறுநாளும் இது போல இன்னொரு காலப்பயணம் ஏற்படுகிறது, இம்முறை அவன் பாப்லோ பிகாசைவைச் சந்திக்கிறான், பிகாசோவின் காதலி ஆட்ரியானாவுக்கு கில்லை பிடித்துப் போய்விடவே அவர்கள் காதலிக்க துவங்குகிறார்கள், இந்த காலமயக்கத்தால் இன்றுள்ள காதலியோடு அவனால் இயல்பாக பழகமுடியவில்லை, மனம் கடந்தகாலத்திற்குள் பிரவேசிக்கவே ஆசை கொள்கிறது,

இதற்கிடையில் அவன் ஒரு பழைய புத்தகக் கடையில் ஆட்ரியானாவின் டைரியைக் கண்டடைகிறான், அதில் அவள் ஒரு அமெரிக்க எழுத்தாளனை காதலித்த விபரங்கள் உள்ளது, அவனால் நம்பவே முடியவில்லை, அது எப்படி சாத்தியமானது என்ற புதிரோடு அவளை மறுபடி சந்திக்க தனது கடந்த காலப்பயணத்திற்காக காத்திருக்கிறான்,

மறுபடி ஒரு பயணம் சாத்தியமாகிறது. கில் ஆட்ரியானை சந்திக்கிறான், அவளோ அவனை ஒரு குதிரை வண்டியில் 1890களுக்கு அழைத்துப் போய்விடுகிறாள், அது எட்கர் ஆலன் போ வசித்த காலம், அங்கேயே நாம் தங்கிவிடலாம் என்கிறாள்,
நாம் வாழ்ந்து கொண்டிருக்கும் இந்த காலத்தைவிடவும் இலக்கியத்தின் வழியே நம் நினைவில் பதிந்து போயிருக்கும் காலமே ஆதர்சமான ஒன்று, அது நம்மை பல்வேறு காலங்களில் வாழ வைக்கிறது, நாம் நாவலின் வழியே இன்னொரு காலத்திற்குள் சென்று வசிக்கிறோம், இலக்கிய வாசிப்பு என்பது நம்மை பல உலகங்களில் வாழ வைப்பது என்பதை கில் உணர்ந்து கொள்கிறான்,
இலக்கியவாதிகளை முக்கியக் கதாபாத்திரமாக கொண்ட இக் காதல் கதையில் காலத்தின் முன்பின்னாகச் சென்றுவரும் கதாபாத்திரங்களின் வழியே கலையின் உயர்தன்மையை அடையாளப்படுத்துகிறார் வூடி ஆலன், படத்தின் முடிவு மிகுந்த கவித்துவமானது, இது போன்ற கனவுத்தன்மை கொண்ட திரைப்படத்தை உருவாக்கி வெற்றி காண்பது வூடி ஆலனால் மட்டுமே சாத்தியமான ஒன்று,
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(உயிர்மையில் வெளியாகி வரும் பறவைக்கோணம் பத்தியில் இடம்பெற்றது

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
20th July 2012, 07:34 PM
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irir123
24th July 2012, 07:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEEwfLvi7EY&feature=related

Bala (Karthik)
24th July 2012, 09:23 AM
Recall

Recall

The critics can eat crow, because bad reviews or lack of pre-release publicity hardly matters at the box-office if it is a Thala film.
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Today, Ajith is the clear number two at the Tamil Nadu box-office, thanks to his gargantuan opening. Trade pundits say today Ajith power at the Tamil Nadu box-office is second only to superstar Rajinikanth. Why? The money invested in an Ajith film comes back to the investors at a faster rate than any other star.

http://www.sify.com/movies/ajith-is-...ikwwaajbj.html
BM
Please allow me to insert a qualifier to this. Ajith is #2 to Rajini in terms of fans, fan activity, opening capacity etc but not in terms of business or collections. At least not yet. He definitely has the potential to be the next Rajini (*). Billa 2 field activity parameters padi paatha (almost) on par with Endhiran (in some places even better than Endhiran). This after disbanding fan clubs. Opening pathi sollave venaam. Shankar, ARR combination 'laam vandhaa i leave it to the reader's imagination as to what the scale of that opening will be - bhava bayaharam. Sustenance, general fublic varaverppu is the problem now. Others see it as a negative i see it as a bomb waiting to explode. I think it's only a matter of time before he scores big with public audience also, unless he prevents that from happening. Of course, his hits would not have been possible without public response but like Anban Karthi put it, the gulf between his opening and "back-running" proportion is too big. Highly polarised towards youth.

(*): I hold an extremely critical view of Ajith as an actor. To the extent that, i see a film as miserable if the biggest negative of the film is not Ajith's acting. So, next Rajini does not literally mean next Rajini. Adhu vera vishayam

While we are at it, please allow me to also plug this in :razz: The media always reports as though one little guy is retired or hibernating. The media at least acknowledges and popularizes Ajith's opening prowess but mentions virtually nothing about this guy's BO performances. The media even forgets what it writes about his film by the time the next film from other actors come. For example, the blackout and pushing into oblivion of a film made after Sivaji and before Endhiran. "Appadi oru sambavam nadandhadhaagavo neengalum marandhuranum, naangalum marandhuruvom" range. 4 successful films out of 5 (including Kannada) and still, he is never mentioned in the same sentence as box office. This, while having ridiculously less number of active fans on the field, a criminal to head the fan welfare clubs (fortunately replaced), fans who are non-performers on the field. If i can be a bit immodest, his films solely ride on content (i mean clicking with the public) and his name or what HE brings to the table. Forget associating with Himesh, KSR, DSP etc in the recent past. What is the one single familiar (famous) name that has a semblance of a guarantee in a film like Viswaroopam, given its budget? If i can be a bit more immodest, i will add that it takes balls to even attempt this, forget whether he pulls it off or bites the dust. On hind sight, we might say it is more of stupidity and less of balls - though i am confident about the product, might well turn out to be commercially unsuccessful - doesn't change what he has earned over the years or what he sure will in future. An opening pull that can rival Rajini's, even if only for certain "special" films he makes, in spite of an active fan count which is a joke, potential to put/get funds for budgets as big as they get in the state, to do business of the order that he does, for the collections he has garnered over the years, i think deserves a note here and there from fans like me to remind people now and then :) Trusting the media is perhaps futile

groucho070
24th July 2012, 09:44 AM
Bala :thumbsup: on your last para.

Second to Rajini as an actor innum evanum varala in TFI. As a charismatic star, yes Ajith is next to Rajini AND that little guy :wink:

hattori_hanzo
24th July 2012, 10:30 AM
Bala, I can't agree more with your opinion :cry: & :clap:

Cinemarasigan
24th July 2012, 10:56 AM
Sify is very biased, in fact no media in India is neutral...

Anban
24th July 2012, 10:57 AM
Super writeup bala :clap:

One other important parameter of box office pull is the ability to pull a opening perspective of the kind of movie or kind of role .. i don't know how many heroes can get any crowd without any commercial element ..

raghavendran
24th July 2012, 11:13 AM
B(K)
:clap:

Ajith is #2 to Rajini in terms of fans, fan activity, opening capacity etc but not in terms of business or collections. At least not yet.whatever he has achieved till now itself is tremendous..valarra pasanga..konjam tayam kudunga..:D

The media at least acknowledges and popularizes Ajith's opening prowess but mentions virtually nothing about this guy's BO performancesjust wanted to add media is talking abt Ajith's BO power now...vera vazhi illa..because of the opening Billa has had after the negative comments and reviews...but usuala media Ajith support pannadhu illa..the first film which was promoted well in the media was mankaatha..varalaarunu oru padam..still ethana peruku theriyum?..appo ellam sun tvdhan main draw..they boycotted it completely..but still it was Ajith's biggest hit at that time..Kamal and Ajitha totala avoid pannirkanga media..

raghavendran
24th July 2012, 11:17 AM
BM
Please allow me to insert a qualifier to this. Ajith is #2 to Rajini in terms of fans, fan activity, opening capacity etc but not in terms of business or collections. At least not yet. He definitely has the potential to be the next Rajini (*). Billa 2 field activity parameters padi paatha (almost) on par with Endhiran (in some places even better than Endhiran). This after disbanding fan clubs. Opening pathi sollave venaam. Shankar, ARR combination 'laam vandhaa i leave it to the reader's imagination as to what the scale of that opening will be - bhava bayaharam:bow:

joe
24th July 2012, 11:30 AM
Bala :notworthy:

joe
24th July 2012, 11:38 AM
Bala,
IMO , Regarding the media and downplaying BO records , What happened to NT is now happening to kamal ..There are social , psychological , political reasons behind this ..But never mind legends are legends .

Cinefan
24th July 2012, 12:22 PM
Bala :notworthy:

hamid
24th July 2012, 12:32 PM
BM
Please allow me to insert a qualifier to this. Ajith is #2 to Rajini in terms of fans, fan activity, opening capacity etc but not in terms of business or collections. At least not yet. He definitely has the potential to be the next Rajini (*). Billa 2 field activity parameters padi paatha (almost) on par with Endhiran (in some places even better than Endhiran). This after disbanding fan clubs. Opening pathi sollave venaam. Shankar, ARR combination 'laam vandhaa i leave it to the reader's imagination as to what the scale of that opening will be - bhava bayaharam. Sustenance, general fublic varaverppu is the problem now. Others see it as a negative i see it as a bomb waiting to explode. I think it's only a matter of time before he scores big with public audience also, unless he prevents that from happening. Of course, his hits would not have been possible without public response but like Anban Karthi put it, the gulf between his opening and "back-running" proportion is too big. Highly polarised towards youth.

(*): I hold an extremely critical view of Ajith as an actor. To the extent that, i see a film as miserable if the biggest negative of the film is not Ajith's acting. So, next Rajini does not literally mean next Rajini. Adhu vera vishayam

While we are at it, please allow me to also plug this in :razz: The media always reports as though one little guy is retired or hibernating. The media at least acknowledges and popularizes Ajith's opening prowess but mentions virtually nothing about this guy's BO performances. The media even forgets what it writes about his film by the time the next film from other actors come. For example, the blackout and pushing into oblivion of a film made after Sivaji and before Endhiran. "Appadi oru sambavam nadandhadhaagavo neengalum marandhuranum, naangalum marandhuruvom" range. 4 successful films out of 5 (including Kannada) and still, he is never mentioned in the same sentence as box office. This, while having ridiculously less number of active fans on the field, a criminal to head the fan welfare clubs (fortunately replaced), fans who are non-performers on the field. If i can be a bit immodest, his films solely ride on content (i mean clicking with the public) and his name or what HE brings to the table. Forget associating with Himesh, KSR, DSP etc in the recent past. What is the one single familiar (famous) name that has a semblance of a guarantee in a film like Viswaroopam, given its budget? If i can be a bit more immodest, i will add that it takes balls to even attempt this, forget whether he pulls it off or bites the dust. On hind sight, we might say it is more of stupidity and less of balls - though i am confident about the product, might well turn out to be commercially unsuccessful - doesn't change what he has earned over the years or what he sure will in future. An opening pull that can rival Rajini's, even if only for certain "special" films he makes, in spite of an active fan count which is a joke, potential to put/get funds for budgets as big as they get in the state, to do business of the order that he does, for the collections he has garnered over the years, i think deserves a note here and there from fans like me to remind people now and then :) Trusting the media is perhaps futile

Superb write-up Bala... :notworthy: This makes me to remember Plum's comment about Kamal sometime back.. About what is star power and who used it effectively/justifyably and who is the real star... :clap:

hamid
24th July 2012, 12:38 PM
Bala,
IMO , Regarding the media and downplaying BO records , What happened to NT is now happening to kamal ..There are social , psychological , political reasons behind this ..But never mind legends are legends .

:yes: I think/feel itz Kamal's time now to rise above others and it is only going to get better for him... maybe it is a personal opinion.. But thats what I think.. The reach, the understanding of his films are getting better offlate.. I am eagerly waiting on the news of Osborne-Kamal productions too.. will be a much more proud moment then..


coming back to your post, I am not sure of the political reasons.. But agree on the other two..

Siv.S
24th July 2012, 01:14 PM
Bala 'nne :bow: :bow:

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
24th July 2012, 01:36 PM
Bala, after long time, i get a post to photo-frame and keep it in the hall!

Media never reported openly/clearly that Dasa > Sivaaji & Indian > Baasha

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
24th July 2012, 01:41 PM
The point is Rajini to Record Collections and Kamal untouchable/beatable performance is a Thanjavur kalvettu which is agreed by all in industry. In that case, it is somewhat obvious that media writing that someone exceeding Rajini in BO and someone exceedin kamal in performance, is not seen as friendly. Oru mariyaathai kaaranamaaga, appadi nadanthaalum, appadi ezhutha maattaanga. But media even never wrote nicer things(which are truth) about Kamal's BO just without any comparisions too. Athaan semma araajagam

Bala (Karthik)
24th July 2012, 01:59 PM
Sakala
Just to clarify, I did NOT intend to mean Dasa > Sivaji or trigger discussions on that. It's not about one-upmanship and which collected exactly 2C more etc is just a matter of detail and not vert important (at least for this point). What's important is that both are comparable

Parthyy
24th July 2012, 01:59 PM
Bala supernga,
Verymuch true media/sila allakais always downplays/igores Kamal BO .take sample in addition BM quoted sify article or YDay's Surya-baadsah haven't even mentioned Kamal when still Big 2s has more longevity in terms of BO.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
24th July 2012, 02:18 PM
Sakala
Just to clarify, I did NOT intend to mean Dasa > Sivaji or trigger discussions on that. It's not about one-upmanship and which collected exactly 2C more etc is just a matter of detail and not vert important (at least for this point). What's important is that both are comparable

Bala, I said that seperately and has no intention to merge that with ur post.

2C more ..... :lol: ungalukke theriyum :)

Bala (Karthik)
24th July 2012, 02:23 PM
Sakala
Fair enough, got that.

P.S: 2C was an example!!! (touched the bait but not taking it! :wink: )

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 02:29 PM
Bala,
IMO , Regarding the media and downplaying BO records , What happened to NT is now happening to kamal ..There are social , psychological , political reasons behind this ..But never mind legends are legends .

Lot of NT/KH BO revisionism and complete disregarding of RK as a non-actor is helping Bachchan porn sites.

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 02:33 PM
I'd measure KH's influence in ways that B(K) had outlined. To have survived and sustained this long in his own way (that very clearly doesn't agree with ideology of the mainstream audience), is unmatched by actor-star in any other industry.

groucho070
24th July 2012, 02:42 PM
Lot of NT/KH BO revisionism and complete disregarding of RK as a non-actor is helping Bachchan porn sites.itha puriyathurukku konjam time ayiduchu. I hope it agrees with my own often promoted "Rajini is a good actor" campaign. Have more laugh, NOV.

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 02:45 PM
What I mean to say is that we have people with Bachchan persuasion trying to knock down all TFI icons as either a 'great actor' (NT/KH) or a great star (MGR/RK). Like NT/KH aren't great stars or RK isn't comparable to Bachchan as an actor.

joe
24th July 2012, 02:50 PM
What I mean to say is that we have people with Bachchan persuasion trying to knock down all TFI icons as either a 'great actor' (NT/KH) or a great star (MGR/RK). Like NT/KH aren't great stars or RK isn't comparable to Bachchan as an actor.
Exactly . I always say Rajini is next to only kamal in acting talent.

groucho070
24th July 2012, 03:03 PM
Some of you missed this. Though in telugu, Kamal uses pretty much English most of the time, athanAl purinjuthu. Watch the folllowing videos and see how he talks about Rajini (if not mistaken he said he is a fan) Oh, thanks irir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEEwfLvi7EY&feature=related

groucho070
24th July 2012, 03:05 PM
at 7.29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y_u3axsjE8&feature=fvwrel

hamid
24th July 2012, 03:06 PM
Some of you missed this. Though in telugu, Kamal uses pretty much English most of the time, athanAl purinjuthu. Watch the folllowing videos and see how he talks about Rajini (if not mistaken he said he is a fan) Oh, thanks irir.

Grouch,

enna sonnarnu ungalukku purinjavaraikum Kamalooda vaarthaikalla sollavum :thanks in advance:

groucho070
24th July 2012, 03:09 PM
mEl video pArkavum. He was saying that Rajini is capable of doing variety of roles. Jayapradha suggested NinaithAlE inikkum, and he agreed, said as a fan he was in the movie as well.

By the way, Jayapradha still looks bloody awesome....wow....

hamid
24th July 2012, 03:11 PM
Thanks.. Videos blocked in office.. :hammer: Will check it tonight

groucho070
24th July 2012, 03:14 PM
Oh man, he said she's the most beautiful, till today, last part touching...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G36b7cFbSRA&feature=fvwrel

Am I spamming? Sorry mods.

SoftSword
24th July 2012, 03:34 PM
who the little guy?

Arvind Srinivasan
24th July 2012, 03:39 PM
BM
Please allow me to insert a qualifier to this. Ajith is #2 to Rajini in terms of fans, fan activity, opening capacity etc but not in terms of business or collections. At least not yet. He definitely has the potential to be the next Rajini (*). Billa 2 field activity parameters padi paatha (almost) on par with Endhiran (in some places even better than Endhiran). This after disbanding fan clubs. Opening pathi sollave venaam. Shankar, ARR combination 'laam vandhaa i leave it to the reader's imagination as to what the scale of that opening will be - bhava bayaharam. Sustenance, general fublic varaverppu is the problem now. Others see it as a negative i see it as a bomb waiting to explode. I think it's only a matter of time before he scores big with public audience also, unless he prevents that from happening. Of course, his hits would not have been possible without public response but like Anban Karthi put it, the gulf between his opening and "back-running" proportion is too big. Highly polarised towards youth.

(*): I hold an extremely critical view of Ajith as an actor. To the extent that, i see a film as miserable if the biggest negative of the film is not Ajith's acting. So, next Rajini does not literally mean next Rajini. Adhu vera vishayam

While we are at it, please allow me to also plug this in :razz: The media always reports as though one little guy is retired or hibernating. The media at least acknowledges and popularizes Ajith's opening prowess but mentions virtually nothing about this guy's BO performances. The media even forgets what it writes about his film by the time the next film from other actors come. For example, the blackout and pushing into oblivion of a film made after Sivaji and before Endhiran. "Appadi oru sambavam nadandhadhaagavo neengalum marandhuranum, naangalum marandhuruvom" range. 4 successful films out of 5 (including Kannada) and still, he is never mentioned in the same sentence as box office. This, while having ridiculously less number of active fans on the field, a criminal to head the fan welfare clubs (fortunately replaced), fans who are non-performers on the field. If i can be a bit immodest, his films solely ride on content (i mean clicking with the public) and his name or what HE brings to the table. Forget associating with Himesh, KSR, DSP etc in the recent past. What is the one single familiar (famous) name that has a semblance of a guarantee in a film like Viswaroopam, given its budget? If i can be a bit more immodest, i will add that it takes balls to even attempt this, forget whether he pulls it off or bites the dust. On hind sight, we might say it is more of stupidity and less of balls - though i am confident about the product, might well turn out to be commercially unsuccessful - doesn't change what he has earned over the years or what he sure will in future. An opening pull that can rival Rajini's, even if only for certain "special" films he makes, in spite of an active fan count which is a joke, potential to put/get funds for budgets as big as they get in the state, to do business of the order that he does, for the collections he has garnered over the years, i think deserves a note here and there from fans like me to remind people now and then :) Trusting the media is perhaps futile

Wonderful thoughts there, Bala....:clap:
Completely exemplifies Kamal's standing in the TFI...

Raajjaa
24th July 2012, 04:15 PM
நன்றி IRIR and groucho.

கமலுடன் 4 படங்களில் நடித்து இருந்தாலும் நினைத்தாலே இனிக்கும் மற்றும் சலங்கை ஒலி இரண்டும் எத்தனை முறை பார்த்தாலும் சலிக்காத படங்கள்.

எனது(ஒரே) கனவுலக நாயகி.

கமல் - ஜெயப்ரதா - MADE FOR EACH OTHER

NOV
24th July 2012, 06:47 PM
Have more laugh, NOV.I have no issues if you say he is a good actor, but 2nd to kamal, pardon me, is rollonthefloor-worthy.
even lowly stars like jeeva and madhavan have acted better...

but if you say that he can do good roles but has no opportunity, sorry I dont buy that... much like ajith doing mass roles now.

Parthyy
24th July 2012, 06:53 PM
jeeva better than rajni :shell shocked:

Nerd
24th July 2012, 06:55 PM
Have more laugh, NOV.
I thought he really did laugh somewhere. Yenyaa yEn? Jeeva > Rajini :lol: :lol: (Laughable whatever way you look at this)

Anyway I think I ll let this go. Also I saw joe +1ing your opinion, which adds more value to it than whatever I can say now.

SoftSword
24th July 2012, 07:00 PM
:rotfl: thanks nov

Nerd
24th July 2012, 07:01 PM
Bala, nice post. Couple of points. Ajith - disbanding fan clubs should not be used *against* him w.r.to collections. Its actually the other way around. I don't mean to say he deliberately did that but now everybody likes him. His off-screen persona is his biggest strength.

Also as I said earlier, anybody can beat the Chennai opening record. Even sangarji's next "I", with well-cut trailers and chartbuster songs (which is a given) can very well beat Enthiran/B2's opening record. But sustenance, its only Rajini-Kamal in any part of the world. And Ajith has a LO..NG way to go w.r.to overseas market. Even Surya's films are sold >> than Ajith's overseas.

Btw, I d have to give it to Kamal fans for one thing - at least a section of the public still think 10A > Sivaji. I have absolutely no interest in that debate, so no more posts on this please.

NOV
24th July 2012, 07:12 PM
jeeva better than rajni :shell shocked:acting, acting... I am not denying that RK is high above when it comes to status
but his movies of the last 20 years or so, are merely caricatural

Parthyy
24th July 2012, 07:30 PM
Nov,i know it wrt to acting but still..... apart from passable ko,katrathu tamil,ram jeeva is he in comparision for real?blashphemy comparision IMO
Rajni fine actor ,acting in commercial masalas doesnt make him anyway low than this jiva

Nerd
24th July 2012, 07:31 PM
Sorry can't resist. Nadigar Thilagam was horrible in almost all of his films in the 80s/90s. He is a horrible actor. Simbu > NT.

Thats how horrible your logic is, if you haven't realized :lol2:

NOV
24th July 2012, 07:33 PM
ha ha... expected lines
forget the myths, break your own barrier... :wave:

parthy, why jeeva? even simran is a better actor than rajni (I say this without demeaning rajni and his cult status)
just like rajni is not a good singer ... along those lines...

joe
24th July 2012, 07:42 PM
Nov,
ஜீவாவிடம் பாராட்டத்தக்க அம்சம் பிற இளம் நடிகர்களை விட படங்களை , கதைகளை தேர்ந்தெடுப்பதில் அதிக கவனம் செலுத்தியது ..அந்த வகையில் சில படங்களில் நடிக்கும் திறனை வெளிப்படுத்த வாய்ப்புகள் அமைந்தது .அதை ஓரளவு திறமையாக பயன்படுத்தினார். ஆனால் ரஜினியை விட நடிப்புத் திறமையுள்ளவர் என கணிப்பது கொஞ்சம் அதிகம் தான் . ரஜினிகாந்த் மாபெரும் நட்சத்திரம் என்பதால் அவரின் நடிப்புத் திறனை குறைத்து மதிப்பிட முடியாத அளவுக்கு பல படங்களில் பல குறிப்பிட்ட காட்சிகளில் நிரூபித்துள்ளார் ..என்ன ? சம காலத்தில் அவரோடு ஒப்பிட கமல் என்னும் நடிப்பு மலை இருந்ததால் ஒப்பீட்டளவில் அவரை குறைத்து மதிப்பிடலாமே தவிர , ஜீவாவோடு ஒப்பிடும் அளவுக்கெல்லாம் அவரின் நடிப்புத் திறனுக்கு பஞ்சம் வந்ததில்லை .

SoftSword
24th July 2012, 07:43 PM
why waving nov?
paavam inga irukkavangalukku vevaram patthala... edhunaa sample/example kudutthu unga point'a prove panninganaa purinjukkuvomla...
ninnu velayaadunga... illenaa only 5%-lyrics-tune tonela solringanu nenachu utralaam...

NOV
24th July 2012, 07:52 PM
joe, unga thaarala manasukku adi panigirEn... neenga thaan mgr'kke pass mark koduththavaraachE :bow:

p/s: someone just chatting with me, said that the statement made on rajni's acting is fanboy talk... so I shall leave quietly :lol:

joe
24th July 2012, 08:00 PM
neenga thaan mgr'kke pass mark koduththavaraachE
வெறும் நடிப்புத்திறனை வைத்து எம்.ஜி.ஆரை எடை போட முடியாது ..நடிப்புத் திறமையை தாண்டி எம்.ஜி.ஆர் ஒரு நல்ல தொழில்நுட்பக்கலைஞர் , Film maker என்பதில் எனக்கு அழுத்தமான நம்பிக்கை உண்டு.

NOV
24th July 2012, 08:02 PM
in both cases, I am ONLY speaking of acting....!
not shortchanging either for anything else

Nerd
24th July 2012, 08:04 PM
illenaa only 5%-lyrics-tune tonela solringanu nenachu utralaam...
:rotfl3: And it has already been proven otherwise.

joe
24th July 2012, 08:04 PM
நடிப்புத்திறனை பொறுத்தவரை ரஜினி >>>>> எம்.ஜி.ஆர்.
அதுக்காக எம்.ஜி.ஆரை விட்டுக்கொடுக்க முடியுமா ? :lol:

NOV
24th July 2012, 08:14 PM
And it has already been proven otherwise.proven how? by a kudikaaran?
ask your dad or grandad


நடிப்புத்திறனை பொறுத்தவரை ரஜினி >>>>> எம்.ஜி.ஆர்.this one I agree whole-heartedly

venkkiram
24th July 2012, 08:20 PM
நடிப்புத்திறனை பொறுத்தவரை ரஜினி >>>>> எம்.ஜி.ஆர். ஒப்பிடணும் என வந்துவிட்டால் இந்த "அவருக்கு அடுத்த இடத்தில் இவர்" என்பெதெல்லாம் ரொம்ப Abstract. குறைந்த பட்சம் இதுபோல ஒரு ஒப்பிடல் இருக்கணும்.

Nerd
24th July 2012, 08:20 PM
Your illogic is getting worse by each post NOV. You are saying you know more than Panju A who was KD's assistant for so many years? Panju A kudikaaran somehow makes up a story just for the sake of it? And you know what, KD is a drunk too :lol2:

FYI, I was watching this show with my father. My father and Panju A have been friends for more than 50 years. Panju A was at my wedding. You 'know-it-all attitude' is despicable and I am sure many people have pointed that out to you.

NOV
24th July 2012, 08:29 PM
Kasi, pls don't get personal.. hate my views, not me. :roll:
I put as much weight on PA's words as Kamal saying Devi SriPrasad is next IR or Sivaji saying VM is equivalent to Kannadhasan

its ok if you do not agree with me; my world wont end.

SoftSword
24th July 2012, 08:34 PM
nerd is kasi? oh... first time hearing...

P_R
24th July 2012, 08:37 PM
NOV, hayyO hayyO :lol2:

sari ingayE koLuththi pOduvOm (Aha thAthA: nadu veettula pOdu).

If only it were somehow possible for him to get the scope - at this stage of their career - I'd not be surprised if Rajini is able to do some common-man roles (80s Malayalam Gold Standert) even better than what Kamal would manage now.

Not so distant, future-la what I want is: Hassar ezhuththu, iyakkaththula Rajinigandh.

Chinnappasanga ellAm ten steps back.

Anban
24th July 2012, 08:41 PM
Bala, nice post. Couple of points. Ajith - disbanding fan clubs should not be used *against* him w.r.to collections. Its actually the other way around. I don't mean to say he deliberately did that but now everybody likes him. His off-screen persona is his biggest strength.

Also as I said earlier, anybody can beat the Chennai opening record. Even sangarji's next "I", with well-cut trailers and chartbuster songs (which is a given) can very well beat Enthiran/B2's opening record. But sustenance, its only Rajini-Kamal in any part of the world. And Ajith has a LO..NG way to go w.r.to overseas market. Even Surya's films are sold >> than Ajith's overseas.


Totally agree on every word ..


The problem with ajith is , some people don't know about his existence or they never even talk about him .. because he does not come often on tv .. i am not kidding ..

Nerd
24th July 2012, 08:42 PM
Kasi, pls don't get personal.. hate my views, not me. :roll:
I put as much weight on PA's words as Kamal saying Devi SriPrasad is next IR or Sivaji saying VM is equivalent to Kannadhasan

its ok if you do not agree with me; my world wont end.
Can't you see the difference? They are opinions and this is related to a *fact*. Whats the rationale behind him saying that? I am sure you would have seen that episode.

Anyway I know its futile to talk about that here.

venkkiram
24th July 2012, 08:56 PM
If only it were somehow possible for him to get the scope - at this stage of their career - I'd not be surprised if Rajini is able to do some common-man roles (80s Malayalam Gold Standert) even better than what Kamal would manage now. பாதி உடன்படுகிறேன்.


Not so distant, future-la what I want is: Hassar ezhuththu, iyakkaththula Rajinigandh. இதற்கெல்லாம் எப்படி கமல் ஒரு டெம்ப்ளட் பதில் சொல்லுவார் என்பதை ரேடியோ சந்திரா அவர்கள் சொல்லுவார்.

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 09:23 PM
I'd not be surprised if Rajini is able to do some common-man roles (80s Malayalam Gold Standert) even better than what Kamal would manage now.

Don't think so. That Rajini is gone. Vaseergharan was pure comedy.

Nerd
24th July 2012, 09:33 PM
Vaseegaran-laam larger than life-yaa..

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 09:54 PM
AppadiyA? When was the last time he played a normal man role well? Decades ago.

80's Rajini is gone sir. Valli'layE paarunga.

venkkiram
24th July 2012, 10:05 PM
AppadiyA? When was the last time he played a normal man role well? Decades ago.

80's Rajini is gone sir. Valli'layE paarunga.

ஒன்பது ரூபாய் நோட்டு - அவருக்கு தகுந்த களம். ஆனால் அதுபோன்ற படங்களில் நடிக்கமாட்டார் என்பது அவருக்கே உரிய பலவீனம்.

venkkiram
24th July 2012, 10:10 PM
மன்னர் கதாபாத்திரங்களில் தாடி தோற்றத்தில் நடிக்க இந்த வயதிலும் பொருத்தமாக இருக்கிறார் ரஜினி . (சாட்சி : வேட்டையன்-சந்திரமுகி, வாஜி வாஜி பாடல் - சிவாஜி ). வீரம் - நகைச்சுவை - வில்லத்தனம் உள்ள பல பாத்திரங்களில் ராஜா படங்களில் பல படங்கள் நடிக்கலாம்.

Srimannarayanan
24th July 2012, 10:11 PM
பாதி உடன்படுகிறேன்.

இதற்கெல்லாம் எப்படி கமல் ஒரு டெம்ப்ளட் பதில் சொல்லுவார் என்பதை ரேடியோ சந்திரா அவர்கள் சொல்லுவார்.


Venkat Ram

which half did you agree?

Srimannarayanan
24th July 2012, 10:14 PM
Excellant writeup Bala :clap:

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 10:14 PM
மன்னர் கதாபாத்திரங்களில் தாடி தோற்றத்தில் நடிக்க இந்த வயதிலும் பொருத்தமாக இருக்கிறார் ரஜினி . (சாட்சி : வேட்டையன்-சந்திரமுகி, வாஜி வாஜி பாடல் - சிவாஜி ). வீரம் - நகைச்சுவை - வில்லத்தனம் உள்ள பல பாத்திரங்களில் ராஜா படங்களில் பல படங்கள் நடிக்கலாம்.
CM Bearded portion exactly why he can't go back to "Normal" mode again.

வில்லத்தனம் - he could do it in his sleep. But even in வில்லத்தனம் , normalized வில்லத்தனம் konjam kastam thaan..

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 10:16 PM
Re. Vaaji vaaji, busy watching Shreya's Backstroke. Sangar cements :lol:

tamizharasan
24th July 2012, 10:19 PM
My only concern is some of the hub makkal behaves exactly the same way north indian media behaves, belittling Rajini as an actor.

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 10:22 PM
I'm not belittling him as an actor, quite the contrary. Still peeved why he went into this mode. And also blame him, much like Raaja and other composers, for making many hacks survive and thrive in TFI.

SoftSword
24th July 2012, 10:24 PM
north indians are dibbarent... they form their opinion based on whats popular in the last few years...
adhukku maela vivaram therinjirukka avangalukku vaaippu illai..

tamizharasan
24th July 2012, 10:25 PM
Honestly KG, no one knows the capability of Rajini better than Kamal. That is why I agree that Kamal as a creator can easily bring what Rajini is best at but that is very unlikely to happen.

tamizharasan
24th July 2012, 10:27 PM
north indians are dibbarent... they form their opinion based on whats popular in the last few years...
adhukku maela vivaram therinjirukka avangalukku vaaippu illai..
but we know things but still we say the same way. I remembering even kamal fans mocking at Rajini while watching Kamal movies saying that ithaiyellam Rajini nadichchirundha therinjirukkum evvalavu mosama irundhirukkumnu?

SoftSword
24th July 2012, 10:30 PM
hallo... edhuvumae sollaama kaineetti anachukkanumnu romba overnga...
'only ondippuli fossible' is so common among any star's fans...

tamizharasan
24th July 2012, 10:36 PM
hallo... edhuvumae sollaama kaineetti anachukkanumnu romba overnga...
'only ondippuli fossible' is so common among any star's fans...

I understand but repetition of those things created a image of Rajini as a non-actor. Over the period of time people forgot what Rajini is capable of. Anyway I am very sure in overall perception Rajini is still very underrated. The same goes to Kamal also as his box office capabilities are also underrated.

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 10:40 PM
True that. The reverse is also true. RK fans play down KH's BO prowess in return.

Oruthankku oruthan adichukuvOm.

Srimannarayanan
24th July 2012, 10:40 PM
even better than what Kamal would manage now



Idhu konjam over illiyanga?

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 10:41 PM
Honestly KG, no one knows the capability of Rajini better than Kamal. That is why I agree that Kamal as a creator can easily bring what Rajini is best at but that is very unlikely to happen.

I don't think Kamal will cast Rajini in his film. So how about Bala? Is there a possibility in near future?

RK to me seems quite contended in doing kodaicheyan, Sultan, and Nusfrat Ali Jinnah ki Jai.

SoftSword
24th July 2012, 10:43 PM
true :(

tamizharasan
24th July 2012, 10:55 PM
Idhu konjam over illiyanga?

only for one role. Don't you guys agree that there are certain roles that Rajini can do better than Kamal. This is one suits to pretty much all decent actors. I will give you that for example Avvai Shanmughi role is not even possible in dreams for any other actor in the world let alone India. Kamal did much better job than mrs doubtfire for that matter.

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 10:59 PM
Maybe Rajini of 70's and early 80's, but nowadays his inclination to make Normal characters into 'his vazhi' will go against normalization itself, no?

venkkiram
24th July 2012, 11:05 PM
Don't you guys agree that there are certain roles that Rajini can do better than Kamal. எதுன்னு வெளக்கமா சொல்லுங்க! தெரிஞ்சிக்கிறேன்.

Plum
24th July 2012, 11:16 PM
Stale discussion. pala muRai pEsiyAchu. Rajini acting skills, Kamal's stardom w.r.t Stardom vs Utilisation of Stardom for making good movies quotient, Simran is better actor than Rajini(Only One person I know in this whole world says that)...

ungaLai ellAm BPM sitela koNdu vudaNum

tamizharasan
24th July 2012, 11:17 PM
எதுன்னு வெளக்கமா சொல்லுங்க! தெரிஞ்சிக்கிறேன்.
Honestly I am not going to say anything that would create all sorts of troubles for me. I just defended what PR said but not specifically for common man's role but for some possible roles. Anyway I insist one thing Kamal is the only hero who does not have any apparent weaknesses in Indian cinema whether it is drama, comedy, action and dance.

Plum
24th July 2012, 11:18 PM
But I'll give it to NOV - Jeeva is better than Rajini was new. As Softie pointed out "only...fossible" is a much abused phraseology. But i have to use it now....

Only NOV fossible!

Plum
24th July 2012, 11:19 PM
Even "Kamal writing..Rajini acting:" has been covered before in detail. Something New please

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 11:19 PM
Jeeva/Smiran >>> Rajini.

Hub is worse than BPM site..

Nerd
24th July 2012, 11:20 PM
Honestly KG, no one knows the capability of Rajini better than Kamal. That is why I agree that Kamal as a creator can easily bring what Rajini is best at but that is very unlikely to happen.
Completely disagree. I have NEVER seen Kamal talk high of Rajini's acting skills. eppayumE, avar padangaL vERa, vERa sensibilities etc., even condescending at times. He just sees Rajini as a star. I am not being judgemental here, just what I have observed.

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 11:21 PM
Even "Kamal writing..Rajini acting:" has been covered before in detail. Something New please


How about they both are afflicted with AIDS, so they plan to do a Bucket List, one of which is to do Sree Devi, in a threesome. Then they die peacefully.

Plum
24th July 2012, 11:21 PM
BPM says "Apisek is better than R and K and even NT as a Star-Actor package". Can anyone beat that, git?

Plum
24th July 2012, 11:23 PM
git - that's not bad at all. However, I'd like to suggest the use of Icewarya instead of Sri just to take revenge on BPM.

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 11:23 PM
BPM says "Apisek is better than R and K and even NT as a Star-Actor package". Can anyone beat that, git?
He's got Bachchan's genes, He's supposed to be [R + K]/[MGR + Sivaji] * Bachchan^Jaya / Jaya!

tamizharasan
24th July 2012, 11:25 PM
Completely disagree. I have NEVER seen Kamal talk high of Rajini's acting skills. eppayumE, avar padangaL vERa, vERa sensibilities etc., even condescending at times. He just sees Rajini as a star. I am not being judgemental here, just what I have observed.

I agree to you on certain extent. Basically he wanted to differentiate himself from Rajini and Rajini wanted to differentiate himself from Kamal. That may be the reason they wanted to be that way. But don't you think Kamal knows about what Rajini is capable of. Anyway I have not seen that Jayapradha interview yet. I will watch it though.

kid-glove
24th July 2012, 11:25 PM
git - that's not bad at all. However, I'd like to suggest the use of Icewarya instead of Sri just to take revenge on BPM.

:rotfl:

Okay. I hope some Mod will wipe this site clean before Nov sends me to Guillotine.

Saai
24th July 2012, 11:50 PM
Bala :clap:

I feel there is nothing that Thalaivar needs to prove now - BO wise or performance wise. In fact, at this point of his career, news in TOI kind of paper adds no value to his fame. He is already in Indian people's psyche as an immensely successful, immensely talented "legend".

Rajni compared with Jeeva and simran???? :lol: Rajni fans should be more angry on Media than kamal fans for not highlighting Rajni the actor. Injured Kavunder looks at Senthil's swollen face after a Chinese monk hits both of them : "deii...naan evlavo paravaaladaaaa" :lol2:

Kamal
Rajni
Satyaraj

in that order when it comes to rating actors based on ferfamanses....

P_R
24th July 2012, 11:57 PM
Jayapradha reactions :rotfl:

P_R
24th July 2012, 11:58 PM
I have bookmarked: mms greaaaat hatsoff hatsoff *literal salute* - for future use

tamizharasan
25th July 2012, 12:01 AM
Jayapradha reactions :rotfl:

It really does not matter. She seems to be a big fan of kamal actually and that was the reason for her reactions. But kamal himself told that Jayapradha is the most beautiful face he has ever seen. In a way it is true because her face looks very traditional and very true not made up. On screen kamal and jayapradha pair is the best I have seen honestly.

P_R
25th July 2012, 12:04 AM
Dasavatharathula Chinese characteraam - andhammA solraanga
3 time member of parliament. Kodumai

kid-glove
25th July 2012, 12:05 AM
Oraey Kostin'ku, Godard, Beginning middle and end, Descent of Man, Ants, Part of travel, station'la dhiga vaala. :rotfl:

P_R
25th July 2012, 12:06 AM
About kissing scenes
'are you believe it' :rotfl3:

P_R
25th July 2012, 12:09 AM
I mean this should be one of the all time lows in terms airheaded disconnect
Have seen only the two clips posted here. Idhukku mEla pArkka manasula thembu illai

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
25th July 2012, 12:10 AM
feeyaar, if iyam naat mistake, sometimes antha GK & Grammer book ai keezha vainga :)

kid-glove
25th July 2012, 12:14 AM
Come on PR, even to watch JP and KH have a staring contest, and we, the partisans, will find thought-provoking observations.

kid-glove
25th July 2012, 12:16 AM
So KH says he'd confided to Gauthami every day of JP's ethereally beautiful face. Is this guy for real?

P_R
25th July 2012, 12:16 AM
enna?

Kamal solRa badhil enna highla irukku, indhammA purinjikkura (adhaavadhu, purinjikkaadha) level enna low-la irukku.
Ippadi oru colleaguesOda paithiyam pudikkAma iththanai varusham kuppai kottinadhE saadhanai

Roshan
25th July 2012, 12:17 AM
Dasavatharathula Chinese characteraam - andhammA solraanga
3 time member of parliament. Kodumai

Nothing related to J'pradha (I havent seen the video). Last night I was watching the repeat telecast of NVOK that featured 80s stars. Radha and Sathyaraja were really hilarious, very good sense of humour. Radha said she never took acting seriously ' Mudhal Mariyaathai' maathiri oru padam nadikkaama irunthaa Radha yaarunnae niRaiya paerukku therinjirukkaathu' - was one of her responses. And Satyaraj recalled an incident. He mentioned some studio and said "oru naaL anga shooting. Raadha oru Thelugu (or Kannada ?) padam paNNittu irunthuchu.. naanum Prabhuvum paathuttu varalaamnu pOnOm (they were shooting in the same studio). He mentioned that the film was with some leading star), enna padamnu kettOm 'Telugu'nu' sollichu, enna title'nu kaettOm udanae 'yaarukku theriyum' appadinnu reply. Title theriyaamaleyae nadicha orae aaL Raadhavathaan irukkum' :lol:

P_R
25th July 2012, 12:18 AM
Politicians, parliament ellAm thitturaar.
YaaraiyO thittura maadhiri 'very true' :lol:

kid-glove
25th July 2012, 12:20 AM
I like that attitude from Radha. Jayapradha is just dumb, Radha seems interesting. As for Trisha, she's got a twitter account and internet connection, so she must be interesting.

SoftSword
25th July 2012, 12:32 AM
How about they both are afflicted with AIDS, so they plan to do a Bucket List, one of which is to do Sree Devi, in a threesome. Then they die peacefully.

:lol: can anyone beat this now??
first gear to third to top to highh....

irir123
25th July 2012, 12:35 AM
Oh man, he said she's the most beautiful, till today, last part touching...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G36b7cFbSRA&feature=fvwrel

Am I spamming? Sorry mods.

not just that, kamal's facial expressions while a video is played on the background - serious while watching it, then a charming smile at jayaprada, and then back to being serious, his answers to questions abt other co-stars/actors (rajini's performances under KB, chiranjeevi's performance in the telugu version of 'noolveli' etc, sridevi's talent equated to a blotting paper that can soak up anything!, radhika as a firecracker, dimple as explosive), the usual 'kissing' onscreen question etc etc - i found the final hug he gave jayapradha was so genuinely affectionate - it carried that special thing (call it respect crossed with love) for a co-actor/star ! both of them reminiscing their sagar sangamam shooting spots, the fishermans cove near vizag (been there once myself!), the way kamal describes how great cinema is made from moments of human interactions shown onscreen (kamal's balu getting to know abt jayaprada's marriage in SS and the sivaiah character asking for food when the entire family is grieving over the old lady's death and kamal specifically mentioning abt the long shot zomming onto radhika's face and his description of the expression on her face!! wow! hats off - kamal shd have begun directing from 1986 itself methinks!).

but kamal slipped when he mentioned tom cruise instead of tom hanks in forrest gump - a rare one - so did jayaprada abt the 'chinese' character in DASA !!

wizzy
25th July 2012, 12:37 AM
P_R Allen's lead actress range'ku ithink panrar..Jayapradha is par for the course when you consider Saroja devil who still squeaks like a 16yr old.

irir123
25th July 2012, 12:38 AM
acting, acting... I am not denying that RK is high above when it comes to status
but his movies of the last 20 years or so, are merely caricatural

they are self-inflicted caricatures!! only RK will know the reasons for such self-abuse !

irir123
25th July 2012, 12:43 AM
joe, unga thaarala manasukku adi panigirEn... neenga thaan mgr'kke pass mark koduththavaraachE :bow:

p/s: someone just chatting with me, said that the statement made on rajni's acting is fanboy talk... so I shall leave quietly :lol:

NOV - neenga Kamal danceaiyey 'udance'nnu sonnavar! either you are a very brave, bluntly upfront man, or your aesthetic sensibilities are way too refined for us to comprehend - but for that to happen, you must have access to films/performances of such quality that others like us have not been privy to! oru vela, hrithik roshan, anand babu, mithunda vellaam kamala vida better dancers unnu ninakkareengalaa ?! or you just happen to have a weird sense of humor

anyway, neenga oru puriyaatha pudhir!

I havent seen jeeva's films closely enough to comment on his acting skills - but if histrionics were the only benchmark to decide on an actors calibre, annan goundamani far betters kamal and co! enna oru versatility in bringing his histrionics skills at different levels and yet make us laugh!

on a serious note, me-thinks actors need to be judged based on how they can carry a role with effortless ease - Kamal's roles have been deliberately written to bring out his histrionic skills, and rajini's have been written specifically to help maintain his 'punch dialog'-driven image!

both of them IMO need a KB/Mahendran/Balu Mahendra to be reined in and act naturally! (happened to watch 'un kannil neer vazhindal' and bits of 'johnny' a week ago - RK was handled very differently in those films - RK asking the jewellery shop owner nonchalantly 'yenna vilayadareengalaa ? get me the receipt, and make it snappy' was not just natural, it was easy and it needed someone like RK to carry it off that smoothly!)

kid-glove
25th July 2012, 12:45 AM
P_R Allen's lead actress range'ku ithink panrar..Jayapradha is par for the course when you consider Saroja devil who still squeaks like a 16yr old.
Ha ha ha.

Allen's lead actress/wives are actually too dumb in real life themselves. Imagine Mia Farrow with Beatles as a drug addict who chanted after Maharishi!

One of her ex wrote this


Beware
Of young girls
Who come to the door
Wistful and pale
Of twenty and four
Delivering daisies
With delicate hands

Beware
Of young girls
Too often they crave
To cry
At a wedding
And dance
On a grave

She was my friend
My friend
My friend
She was invited to my house
Oh yes
She was
And though she knew
My love was true
And
No ordinary thing
She admired
My wedding ring
She admired
My wedding ring

She was my friend
My friend
My friend
She sent us little silver gifts
Oh yes
She did
Oh what a rare
And happy pair
She
Inevitably said
As she glanced
At my unmade bed
She admired
My unmade bed
My bed

Beware
Of young girls
Who come to the door
Wistful and pale
Of twenty and four
Delivering daisies
With delicate hands
Beware
Of young girls
To often they crave
To cry
At a wedding
And dance
On a grave


She was my friend
My friend
My friend
I thought her motives were sincere
Oh yes
I did
Ah but this lass
It came to pass
Had
A dark and different plan
She admired
My own sweet man
She admired
My own sweet man

We were friends
Oh yes
We were
And she just took him from my life
Oh yes
She did
So young and vain
She brought me pain
But
I'm wise enough to say
She will leave him
One thoughtless day
She'll just leave him
And go away
Oh yes

Beware
Of young girls
Who come to the door
Wistful and pale
Of twenty and four
Delivering daisies
With delicate hands

Beware
Of young girls
To often they crave
To cry
At a wedding
And dance
On a grave

Beware of young girls
Beware of young girls
Beware

kid-glove
25th July 2012, 12:49 AM
He looked very comfortable in this intree. JP of course will crave with joy for mundane replies too, but there's some chemistry there, maybe that's how they dated as friends in yeng age.

irir123
25th July 2012, 12:57 AM
So KH says he'd confided to Gauthami every day of JP's ethereally beautiful face. Is this guy for real?

appadiyaa sonnaaru ?? i thought he simply said 'i often tell gauthami abt your beauty' - avaru yedho daily adhayey manthiram maadhiri solrennu sonnaara ?

irir123
25th July 2012, 01:02 AM
:lol: can anyone beat this now??
first gear to third to top to highh....

ada ponga sir neenga vera - 80s la arasal purasalaa namma stars paththi niraya vishayam kelvi patrukkaen - aanaa adha inga solla vendaam - NOV + P_R censor senju nammala block/ban panniduvaanga!

irir123
25th July 2012, 01:04 AM
P_R Allen's lead actress range'ku ithink panrar..Jayapradha is par for the course when you consider Saroja devil who still squeaks like a 16yr old.

Saroja Devil's most famous dialaag - 'appaa avar VENdhirukkaar' - MGR makes an entry into his peuture maamanaars voodu!

Parthyy
25th July 2012, 01:25 AM
How about they both are afflicted with AIDS, so they plan to do a Bucket List, one of which is to do Sree Devi, in a threesome. Then they die peacefully.

:rotfl2: full form pola

Bala (Karthik)
25th July 2012, 05:18 AM
Rajini better than Kamal, need not be hypothetical, already proved in some of the essential 80's flicks. I
Wish Thala didn't try so much to do the cool act. Pala thadava sollirukku...

Bala (Karthik)
25th July 2012, 05:21 AM
About kissing scenes
'are you believe it' :rotfl3:
:rotfl:
Seen the interview obviously but don't remember much as eesual. Revisit cheyyala

Bala (Karthik)
25th July 2012, 05:25 AM
Completely disagree. I have NEVER seen Kamal talk high of Rajini's acting skills. eppayumE, avar padangaL vERa, vERa sensibilities etc., even condescending at times. He just sees Rajini as a star. I am not being judgemental here, just what I have observed.
Condescension only for the annoying mandatory question on Rajini in interviews (annoying because it doesn't add anything to the interview, just routine stuff). Mostly in indhi

SoftSword
25th July 2012, 06:03 AM
Rajini better than Kamal, need not be hypothetical, already proved in some of the essential 80's flicks. I
Wish Thala didn't try so much to do the cool act. Pala thadava sollirukku...

neenga solra Thala yaaru??

SoftSword
25th July 2012, 06:04 AM
intru'la paappa baapu'nu solludhae... ootla apditthaan koopduvaangalaa?? :roll:

tamizharasan
25th July 2012, 06:07 AM
neenga solra Thala yaaru??
Are you serious? It has to be Mr. Haasan

tamizharasan
25th July 2012, 06:08 AM
Rajini better than Kamal, need not be hypothetical, already proved in some of the essential 80's flicks. I
Wish Thala didn't try so much to do the cool act. Pala thadava sollirukku...

My wife who is big admirer of Kamal's ability says that in those movies Kamal was not sincere about what he was doing. That was very obvious in many movies. But Rajini was sincere because he chose to go that way.

SoftSword
25th July 2012, 06:22 AM
Are you serious? It has to be Mr. Haasan

nenachaen... aana capital ellaam pOttadhaala edho pronavan'onu nenachuttaen...

Bala (Karthik)
25th July 2012, 07:36 AM
BTW, emphatic disagreement with Nov's dismissal of Rajini's acting. [MGR na adhu vera vishayam, neenga namma settu :lol2: ]

P_R
25th July 2012, 10:03 AM
Guys, cease and desist with these unsavory exchanges.
Cleanup needed

kid-glove
25th July 2012, 10:25 AM
This guy is like Gotham's mayor, restores back order when it's over and done, I like him. Hope Bane doesn't blow him up.

wizzy
25th July 2012, 11:03 AM
This guy is like Gotham's mayor, restores back order when it's over and done, I like him. Hope Bane doesn't blow him up.

andha maayaandi ennai padhichitanlay :lol:

joe
25th July 2012, 11:07 AM
[MGR na adhu vera vishayam, neenga namma settu :lol2: ]
ennaiya periya shaving settu :lol:

Cinemarasigan
25th July 2012, 02:38 PM
on a serious note, me-thinks actors need to be judged based on how they can carry a role with effortless ease - Kamal's roles have been deliberately written to bring out his histrionic skills, and rajini's have been written specifically to help maintain his 'punch dialog'-driven image!

both of them IMO need a KB/Mahendran/Balu Mahendra to be reined in and act naturally!

Unfortunately, the directors mentioned by you may not be ready to direct both these stars...

Surprisingly you have not mentioned any directors who are in the business now...

Cinemarasigan
25th July 2012, 02:47 PM
It may be a good news for those who does not want KSR - Kamal combo, KSR will be busy for probably 6months to 1 year on directing an indhi film featuring Sanjay Dutt...

SoftSword
25th July 2012, 02:47 PM
enna unsavoury iruku inga? nallaa dhaanae discuss pannitu irundhaanga...
oruvelai deletion nadandhuchaa?? did i miss anything?? :(

Cinemarasigan
25th July 2012, 02:59 PM
enna unsavoury iruku inga? nallaa dhaanae discuss pannitu irundhaanga...
oruvelai deletion nadandhuchaa?? did i miss anything?? :(

ellA post-um appdiyE thaanE irukku... any of your post is missing here?

SoftSword
25th July 2012, 03:38 PM
no no.. summa merattittu vittuttanga pola lol

Nerd
25th July 2012, 05:22 PM
கேட்காமலேயே pm செய்த அன்பான பாலா கார்த்திக் அவர்களுக்கு எனது கனிவான நன்றிகள் !!

இதன் மூலமான irir அவர்களுக்கு ஸ்பெஷல் நன்றிகள்!!

Parthyy
25th July 2012, 05:36 PM
bala avarkalukku emathu nanriyum kuda..swarasyamaana vishyangal....

Bala (Karthik)
25th July 2012, 05:50 PM
//Last Dig: Siva.S is calling on all hub twitters to help him out here (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?7793-Kisu-Kisu&p=910295&viewfull=1#post910295)
//Sollten Siva

19thmay
25th July 2012, 05:56 PM
Bala-na : Next time indha maadhri edhavadhu PM vandha ennayum loop-la vachukonga. Athithi devo bhava!!!

Siv.S
25th July 2012, 06:03 PM
//Last Dig: Siva.S is calling on all hub twitters to help him out here (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?7793-Kisu-Kisu&p=910295&viewfull=1#post910295)
//Sollten Siva
//Pakkathu ilaikku konjam Paayasam kodungannu Parimaarrvana kooppudrel :twisted: //

Saai
25th July 2012, 06:14 PM
Nerd/parhy,

Please......

raghavendran
25th July 2012, 06:32 PM
ennaya vittutu edachu matter pesina enaku pudikadhu :evil:...feeyamidunga

irir123
25th July 2012, 07:34 PM
My wife who is big admirer of Kamal's ability says that in those movies Kamal was not sincere about what he was doing. That was very obvious in many movies. But Rajini was sincere because he chose to go that way.

'unnal mudiyum thambi' shooting samayathula Kamal got nice thittus from KB - for not giving his sincere commitment in some scenes - this newsitem was featured in the Kumudam 'lightson' section around that time !!

irir123
25th July 2012, 07:37 PM
It may be a good news for those who does not want KSR - Kamal combo, KSR will be busy for probably 6months to 1 year on directing an indhi film featuring Sanjay Dutt...

KSR directing Sanjay Dutt, eh ??!

donno whom should i feel sorry for - KSR or Sanjay, or Gindhi audiences ??

irir123
25th July 2012, 07:39 PM
கேட்காமலேயே pm செய்த அன்பான பாலா கார்த்திக் அவர்களுக்கு எனது கனிவான நன்றிகள் !!

இதன் மூலமான irir அவர்களுக்கு ஸ்பெஷல் நன்றிகள்!!

Nerd avargale - ennodu PM paartha piragum, ungalukku en mel kobam varaadhadhu thaan enakku aachariyam! anyways, you are welcome!

nammudaya indha punidhamaana thondu 'kisu kisu' thiriyil thodarattum!

Movie Cop
25th July 2012, 10:28 PM
on a serious note, me-thinks actors need to be judged based on how they can carry a role with effortless ease - Kamal's roles have been deliberately written to bring out his histrionic skills, and rajini's have been written specifically to help maintain his 'punch dialog'-driven image!

both of them IMO need a KB/Mahendran/Balu Mahendra to be reined in and act naturally!

As far as Kamal is concerned, Mahendran has never directed him. KB is rejected-nga.

In most of the 70's movies that Kamal & Rajini acted together under KB, KB treated Rajini as a shiny object - providing him meaty roles to fully leverage his cigaratte flipping, over the top mannerisms, hurried dialgue delevery etc. OTOH, Kamal, who is more of a subtler actor, was given roles that the likes of Sivakumar, Vijayakumar or that other guy (Jaiganes?) could have done. Those roles doesn't really need an actor of Kamal's calibre. Alos, another problem during the 70’s was that most of the directors viewed Kamal just a lover boy because of his handsome looks and exceptional dancing skills.

Only when KB started directing Kamal as a solo hero he "tried" to leverage Haasar's histrionic skills.

P_R
25th July 2012, 10:35 PM
manmadha leelai ellAm vijayakumar paNNA ennaththukku aagum.

Movie Cop
25th July 2012, 10:43 PM
ada oru pechu-kku sonnenga... Vijayakumar illaina Sivakumar... Sivakumar illaina vera edhO oru kumar-u.... Manmadha Leelai ellam Kamal resume-le podura allavukku onniyum illai-nga... My point is, in most of his 70's films, KB onniyum Kamal-uhh avlO perusa use pannale-nu thonuchu... But Kamal picked a lot of things of things from KB (in filmmaking aspects-ngradhu vera vishayam) which helped him in the longer run.

app_engine
25th July 2012, 10:44 PM
Only when KB started directing Kamal as a solo hero he "tried" to leverage Haasar's histrionic skills.

KB directed KH as solo hero (manmadha leelai / apoorva rAgangaL) BEFORE the arrival of Rajini :roll:

He even gave him a couple of "villainic" roles prior (sollaththAn ninaikkiREn, arangERRam)...

The 'chocolate-lover-boy' thingy was not necessarily a KB-thingy, though he did that in moonRu mudichchu / marO charithrA.

Well, it was another director who unlocked the real potential of KH in 1977...but inga avar untouchable :-(

Avadi to America
25th July 2012, 10:47 PM
manmadha leelai ellAm vijayakumar paNNA ennaththukku aagum.

naan solla vanthen, athukulla neenga solliteenga.....Manmatha leelaila...naatamaiya......

P_R
25th July 2012, 10:48 PM
Imagining nAttAmai saying: poRaamai paththalai :rotfl2:

kid-glove
25th July 2012, 10:55 PM
Hey Movie_Cob, you're saying he was given more subtle parts, which you should be grateful for.

Even Aval Appadithaan, kinda like Heat, Rajini does a Pacino, Kamal does a De niro, absorbs everything without fuss, and such subtle gestures.

tamizharasan
25th July 2012, 11:00 PM
manmadha leelai ellAm vijayakumar paNNA ennaththukku aagum.

Is there any particular reason you hate Vijayakumar so much because he humbly admitted once that he does not rely on make-up for great performances(directly hitting KH).

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
25th July 2012, 11:05 PM
make up for great performance? what kind of statement is this?

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
25th July 2012, 11:07 PM
'unnal mudiyum thambi' shooting samayathula Kamal got nice thittus from KB - for not giving his sincere commitment in some scenes - this newsitem was featured in the Kumudam 'lightson' section around that time !!

What happened is kamal was joking and making a bing gang of crew laugh, during the gaps. KB was saying to assistants "Innum veLaattu payyanaave irukkaane" No thittu and all. Or you are saying some serious stuff?

tamizharasan
25th July 2012, 11:09 PM
make up for great performance? what kind of statement is this?
For old man get up he did not use make up but kamal used make up for Indian. To answer your question . kelvi kekkurathu sulabam bathil solRathuthAn kashtam. Avar sonnatha nAn sonnEn, avvalavuthAn.

kid-glove
25th July 2012, 11:11 PM
For old man get up he did not use make up

Yes, except he did that for Walter VetrivEl.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
25th July 2012, 11:14 PM
Ok, mee too thinking! If an artist does not cover his cheeks, forehead, and rest of face, i mean, just normal face, what acting we see there?!? kannu sivakkum(no problem becos its not covered even in prosthetics) and kannam thudikkum is only VK possible. So what difference are the the covered parts of face are missing to deliver, when we say prosthetics prohibits an artist to deliver real performance? Some can't deliver even with normal face, athu vera

irir123
25th July 2012, 11:17 PM
vijay kumar antha madhiri kamal pathhi comment ellaam nijamaavey adichchaara yenna ?? i have heard that nadigar thilagam and VK had a tiff, but i thought not with kamal ! so why this complaintish comment ??

tamizharasan
25th July 2012, 11:17 PM
Vijayakumar solRathaiyellam serious-a eduththukka koodathu. compare panRa aLavukkAchchum irukkanum illaiya serious-a eduththukkuRathukku?

Plum
25th July 2012, 11:19 PM
OhO - vijayakumar appadi sonnadhunAla dhAn avar mEla veRuppu vandhu "manmadha leelai avarAla Kamal aLavukku paNNa mudiyAdhu"nnu oru revenge feelingla P_R karuththu sonNArA? Got it.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
25th July 2012, 11:20 PM
Illa naan chummaa/seriousaa :lol: kekkuren, nijamaave enakku puriyala!

tamizharasan
25th July 2012, 11:22 PM
OhO - vijayakumar appadi sonnadhunAla dhAn avar mEla veRuppu vandhu "manmadha leelai avarAla Kamal aLavukku paNNa mudiyAdhu"nnu oru revenge feelingla P_R karuththu sonNArA? Got it.
summa pattAsum koLuththippodurathu. idhu koodava theriyala.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
25th July 2012, 11:22 PM
Covering face with prosthetics is not taking away any acting. Eyes, body language, dialog delivery, physical effort, ippadi ferfaamance delivery paNNa neraya options irukku! Inimelaachum, kamal prosthetics pottukittaa ferfaamance loss aagum ngra myth ai kaividungappaa.

avlothaan

kid-glove
25th July 2012, 11:24 PM
summa pattAsum koLuththippodurathu. idhu koodava theriyala.

No problem, Join the club (Moi Et Nom de plume)

tamizharasan
25th July 2012, 11:25 PM
Covering face with prosthetics is not taking away any acting. Eyes, body language, dialog delivery, physical effort, ippadi ferfaamance delivery paNNa neraya options irukku! Inimelaachum, kamal prosthetics pottukittaa ferfaamance loss aagum ngra myth ai kaividungappaa.



avlothaan

As a matter of fact Kamal relies on prosthetics because it gives authenticity and he has so many options to deliver other than face. If Vijayakumar delivers with prosthetics then it will directly go to toilet so he can't even think of doing it.

Movie Cop
25th July 2012, 11:27 PM
Even Aval Appadithaan, kinda like Heat, Rajini does a Pacino, Kamal does a De niro, absorbs everything without fuss, and such subtle gestures.
:lol:

Movie Cop
25th July 2012, 11:29 PM
Sorry-nga, didn't expect this will turn into a Kamal vs. Vijayakumar discussion. :cry3:

kid-glove
25th July 2012, 11:31 PM
Hey Cob, enna chippu?

hattori_hanzo
26th July 2012, 01:47 AM
As far as Kamal is concerned, Mahendran has never directed him. KB is rejected-nga.

In most of the 70's movies that Kamal & Rajini acted together under KB, KB treated Rajini as a shiny object - providing him meaty roles to fully leverage his cigaratte flipping, over the top mannerisms, hurried dialgue delevery etc. OTOH, Kamal, who is more of a subtler actor, was given roles that the likes of Sivakumar, Vijayakumar or that other guy (Jaiganes?) could have done. Those roles doesn't really need an actor of Kamal's calibre. Alos, another problem during the 70’s was that most of the directors viewed Kamal just a lover boy because of his handsome looks and exceptional dancing skills.

Only when KB started directing Kamal as a solo hero he "tried" to leverage Haasar's histrionic skills.

+1. Idhaye dhaan oru maasam munnaadi SS threadla naan sonnen.



I hate Ninaithaale Inikkum mainly for the gross injustice done to Kamal's character by his Guru. For that matter(except Avargal, to an extent) KH never got to play a really strong character in any of those KH-RK-KB combo movies. NI, Moondru Mudichu, Apoorva Ragangal - Ellaathulayum the same lover-boy with nothing else to do. If you remove RK from this, you have memorable characters like in Nizhal Nijamagiradhu, Punnagai Mannan, Varumaiyin Niram Sivappu. BR should have brought these two together again




Grouch, in Moondru Mudichu, what Kamal did was an extended cameo. It was a Rajini-Sridevi show all the way. KB was probably fascinated by his new finding that he made a movie just to showcase Rajini's mannerisms and villainy. Though Kamal was not a star, KB could have gone for a lesser actor to play that role. I still remember asking my brother innocently "Andha scene'kkapparam Kamal varave maattaara?"

AR was slightly better. But again in a movie based on family & complex relationships, he had to share screenspace with the supporting characters. Baring few angry outbursts, onnum perusa illa. Avargal on the other hand was a movie which largely benefited by Kamal's acting. But here too KB did not want to give anything ordinary to Rajini. Did he?

NI - mannikkave mudiyaadha kutram. A director who went out the way to write such an entertaining comedy track could have done something better to make KH & Jayapradha's characters interesting. Nagesh in MT/NT movies? Maybe, but do you think Kamal's character in NI was half as good as MT's or NT's? A Gemini Ganesan-Nagesh or Karthik-Goundernu sollalaam. Balancing ange dhaan konjam odhaikkudhu.

Thappu Thalangal naan innum paakkala. But unfortunately, I didn't find even the last-scene cameo in Thillu Mullu interesting, when compared to the rest of the movie. If you compare these movies with Nizhal Nijamaagiradhu, which was released almost during the same time, you would see the difference.

venkkiram
26th July 2012, 02:01 AM
MovieCop, do u think kamal role in Avargal can be executed by Sivakumar, Vijayakumars and co? Aval appadithan by Ruthraiyya and 16 vayathinile by BR brought top notching performances from both the actors.

tamizharasan
26th July 2012, 02:10 AM
I think 16 vayathinile chappani character can be easily handled by vijayakumar and that too without any significant make up. I think even vijayakumar will agree with what i said.

hattori_hanzo
26th July 2012, 02:12 AM
Avargal - I agree. The character was unique and KH was brilliant. Cant imagine anyone else playing the role. Aval Appadithaan - ennadhaan KH nalla nadichirundhaalum, andha characterla andha oru 'idhu' illa. All the best lines went to RK and he stole every scene from KH.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
26th July 2012, 02:14 AM
I guess KB understood this and did a balance by launching Kamal big in Hindi? EDKJ was a bigger blockbuster no? Same about marocharitra.

But again, its mostly lover boy thaan!

kid-glove
26th July 2012, 02:15 AM
Steal panni vechukkattumE. Point is that in these earlier roles, KH was effortlessly playing real characters. And it never felt like these characters were 'forced' in any way. Maybe they seemed a bit one or two dimensional (but so are most characters in KB caper), Rajini included. In fact, I find some of above mentioned KB films overbearing except for KH.

tamizharasan
26th July 2012, 02:20 AM
Avargal - I agree. The character was unique and KH was brilliant. Cant imagine anyone else playing the role. Aval Appadithaan - ennadhaan KH nalla nadichirundhaalum, andha characterla andha oru 'idhu' illa. All the best lines went to RK and he stole every scene from KH.
The characters are totally different. Each justified their respective characters and where does the stealing come here. It looks like we are attached to the character itself than performance.

kid-glove
26th July 2012, 02:24 AM
As for cigarette flipping, zanny dialogues and other stuff, idhellam terribly contrived in KB universe. I thank heavens that KH didn't get those.

Even in AA, the scene where Rajini is mobile and tries every other way to get attention from lighting his cigarette to various other poses, KH's relaxed demeanour seated through out is more up my alley. Look at his eyes and facial gestures there. For similar reasons, I prefer De Niro to Pacino in Heat.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
26th July 2012, 02:26 AM
I think 16 vayathinile chappani character can be easily handled by vijayakumar and that too without any significant make up. I think even vijayakumar will agree with what i said.

Marubadiyum Marubadiyum vijayakumar konduvarreengaLe :sigh2: Ok, see this video, at 7.12 it may help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOuUFaT3siQ

kid-glove
26th July 2012, 02:27 AM
He's being sarcastic. Tamizh, neenga neengalavE irunga. :)

tamizharasan
26th July 2012, 03:19 AM
As for cigarette flipping, zanny dialogues and other stuff, idhellam terribly contrived in KB universe. I thank heavens that KH didn't get those.

Even in AA, the scene where Rajini is mobile and tries every other way to get attention from lighting his cigarette to various other poses, KH's relaxed demeanour seated through out is more up my alley. Look at his eyes and facial gestures there. For similar reasons, I prefer De Niro to Pacino in Heat.
I liked both Rajini and Kamal equally on that movie but surprise was sripriya. She did a great job because that was the most complex character ever written for female in the Tamil Cinema and she did more than adequate job.

tamizharasan
26th July 2012, 03:21 AM
He's being sarcastic. Tamizh, neenga neengalavE irunga. :)
I will try to be but SKV must be very innocent guy and I like him for being that.

NOV
26th July 2012, 07:56 AM
kamal was not born as a fantastic actor... sethukki sethukki thaan ippadi aanaar... andha sethukkalla KB'kku periya pangundu
primary school educationa udhaasina paduththi university varai sella iyalaadhu...

the real kamal we adore only came about in the mid 80s onwards :boo:

kumarsr
26th July 2012, 08:10 AM
What happened is kamal was joking and making a bing gang of crew laugh, during the gaps. KB was saying to assistants "Innum veLaattu payyanaave irukkaane" No thittu and all. Or you are saying some serious stuff?

Once it was reported that Kamal (in anger) packed up and left mid day due to some issues with KB on the sets of UMT. I believe they had a minor tiff. But, the respect and reverence he has for KB now is remarkable. It is not a put on and is very sincere.

irir123
26th July 2012, 08:12 AM
adhelllanjari - 80s la kamalukkum amitabhukkum illaadha andha natpu, DASA audio release punsonla mattum yeppadi vannchhu ?? its a question tat i been harboring for sometime

kumarsr
26th July 2012, 08:14 AM
KB's movies generally do not have prominence for great histrionics on the lines of nayagan or 16 v. His stories were mostly middle class based. So no point complaining. Important to consider is that he has made over 35+ movies with Kamal.

kumarsr
26th July 2012, 08:22 AM
adhelllanjari - 80s la kamalukkum amitabhukkum illaadha andha natpu, DASA audio release punsonla mattum yeppadi vannchhu ?? its a question tat i been harboring for sometime

They have been friendly throughout. People used to say that Amitabh tried to stop Kamal in Hindi but that may just be unproven gossip. It was reported last year that Kamal attended Amitabh's rendering of some of his father's poems in UK or Paris. Earlier Kamal tried to rope in Amitabh for a role in one of his films (since dropped) to be directed by the great KSR.

P_R
26th July 2012, 09:11 AM
Watched a few mins of sattam
This is an example of 'regular' roles where Kamal's acting is quite ordinary.
Rajini would've done better 'ngREn

It's the 'separate the boys from the men' type 'demanding' roles that Kamal towers over everyone else.

Raajjaa
26th July 2012, 09:12 AM
நடிப்புத்திறனை பொறுத்தவரை ரஜினி >>>>> எம்.ஜி.ஆர்.
அதுக்காக எம்.ஜி.ஆரை விட்டுக்கொடுக்க முடியுமா ? :lol:

சொல்லிட்டார்யா சுப்ரீம் கோர்ட் நீதிபதி. இன்று காலையிலேயே காமெடி ஆரம்பமா....

எம்.ஜி.ஆரிடம் இருந்த திறமையில் 10 சதவிகிதம் கூட ரஜினியிடம் இல்லை.

பணக்காரன் படத்தின் விமர்சனத்தில் ரஜினி இப்படியெல்லாம் நடித்தால் தமிழ் திரை உலகில் இருந்து காணாமல் போய் விடுவார் என விகடன் கூறியது.

அருணாச்சலம் படத்திற்கு குமுதத்தில் விமர்சனமே வரவில்லை.இந்த படத்திற்கு எல்லாம் விமர்சனம் தேவை இல்லை என்று கூறியது.

இப்பொழுது அஜித்தை எப்படி பத்திரிக்கைகள் கிண்டல் செய்கிறதோ, அதே போல் தான் அப்பொழுது ரஜினியை பத்திரிக்கைகள் கிண்டல் செய்தது.

92ல் இருந்துதான் நிலைமை மாறியது.

groucho070
26th July 2012, 09:47 AM
எம்.ஜி.ஆரிடம் இருந்த திறமையில் 10 சதவிகிதம் கூட ரஜினியிடம் இல்லை.

You may be correct. But Joe was talking about acting talent-ngga.

NOV
26th July 2012, 09:51 AM
You may be correct. But Joe was talking about acting talent-ngga.in which case, its the other way round...

venkkiram
26th July 2012, 09:55 AM
சினிமா சம்பந்தமான தொழில் நுட்பம், சண்டைக் காட்சிகளுக்குத் தேவையான விளையாட்டுக்கள் (பத்து குண்டர்களை அடித்து வீழ்த்தனும் என்ற காட்சியில் ஒரு நம்பகத் தனிமை கொண்டு வருதல்), உடை அலங்காரத்தின் மீதான ஈடுபாடு இதெல்லாம் கணக்கில் எடுத்துக்கொண்டால் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் ராஜா!

venkkiram
26th July 2012, 10:01 AM
அஜித் நல்லா நடிக்கிறார் என கமல் ஒரு அஜித் பட விழாவில்(வாலி என நினைக்கிறேன்) பேசியதாக ஞாபகம். எங்க குக்கிராம டீக்கடை விவாதத்தில் இதையும் பத்து நிமிடம் பேசினாங்க. "இவரு எங்க? இந்தப் பையன் எங்க ? இவரு எப்படி இதுபோல ஒரு கருத்து சொல்லலாம்? " என!

groucho070
26th July 2012, 10:31 AM
சினிமா சம்பந்தமான தொழில் நுட்பம், சண்டைக் காட்சிகளுக்குத் தேவையான விளையாட்டுக்கள் (பத்து குண்டர்களை அடித்து வீழ்த்தனும் என்ற காட்சியில் ஒரு நம்பகத் தனிமை கொண்டு வருதல்), உடை அலங்காரத்தின் மீதான ஈடுபாடு இதெல்லாம் கணக்கில் எடுத்துக்கொண்டால் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் ராஜா!Works better in circus.

Cinemarasigan
26th July 2012, 11:34 AM
Watched a few mins of sattam
This is an example of 'regular' roles where Kamal's acting is quite ordinary.
Rajini would've done better 'ngREn

It's the 'separate the boys from the men' type 'demanding' roles that Kamal towers over everyone else.

During that time, Kamal was purely having "lover boy" image and that suits that role.. in fact Rajni would have suited best for "Sharath Babu's role, in hindi orginal it was done by satrugan sinaa

Cinemarasigan
26th July 2012, 11:37 AM
Works better in circus.

instant :lol:... could not control..

Raajjaa
26th July 2012, 12:24 PM
Works better in circus.

நானும் என் நண்பர்களும் ரஜினி படம் ரிலீஸ் ஆனால் கோமாளி படம் ரிலீஸ் ஆயிருக்கு பார்க்க போவோமா என்று தான் பேசிக் கொள்ளுவோம். :lol:

kid-glove
26th July 2012, 12:30 PM
ANNE, vOnam please

Raajjaa
26th July 2012, 12:59 PM
ANNE, vOnam please

நான் ஆரம்பிக்கவில்லை பிரதர்.

Dinesh84
26th July 2012, 01:28 PM
எம்.ஜி.ஆரிடம் இருந்த திறமையில் 10 சதவிகிதம் கூட ரஜினியிடம் இல்லை.
Me: ithu thangalukke vedikayaaga illai?
Raajjaa: illai
Me: :|

P_R
26th July 2012, 01:44 PM
During that time, Kamal was purely having "lover boy" image and that suits that role.. in fact Rajni would have suited best for "Sharath Babu's role, in hindi orginal it was done by satrugan sinaa

I was watching the song where he accuses Sarathbabu of going from friendship to betrayal.
Very ordinary acting. Nothing great to execute there but you can see he is kinda out of depth. I felt this way about many such performances.

Srimannarayanan
26th July 2012, 02:47 PM
I was watching the song where he accuses Sarathbabu of going from friendship to betrayal.
Very ordinary acting. Nothing great to execute there but you can see he is kinda out of depth. I felt this way about many such performances.
P_R

That might be due to his lack of interest on such roles. It doesnt mean that he is lesser than Rajni for such roles.

Anban
26th July 2012, 02:49 PM
I was watching the song where he accuses Sarathbabu of going from friendship to betrayal.
Very ordinary acting. Nothing great to execute there but you can see he is kinda out of depth. I felt this way about many such performances.

Are you talking about potential or performance ?

groucho070
26th July 2012, 02:53 PM
P_R, when you accuse Sarathbabu of betrayal, you shouldn't be emotional about it. The feller has been doing that for decades.

if it was me my line would go like this, "Let's grab lunch on the way. By the by, you betrayed me, you are lousy friend, just for a cat (replace this with another word of same meaning). Wanna drop by Pizza Hut or McDonalds?"

Athukellam remba nadikka thevai illa.

On the accusation that he was trying to be cool in the 80s, he was* dammit! And that's why those films were successful!

*edit. Correction, he still is. Watch UPO (sorry Bala).

P_R
26th July 2012, 03:13 PM
Performance dhaan. But then potential also for such roles given he was extremely sincere in executing them.

I don't think it is lack of interest CR. In fact, as I mentioned quoting the interview to Gnani, Kamal said he never took his masala roles/movies flippantly. He was very earnest about them and how he performed.

You can see some signature Kamal moments in them too. Slapsticky chaplinesque fumbles, dances (which everyone except NOV likes!), pacy and innovative fights (enough people don't mention how Kamal is heads and shoulders above Rajini in this- idhukkE oru katturai ezhudhaNum). But in the 'regular' scenes I feel Kamal is not that impressive. Some expressions looks very studied as opposed to how fluently Rajini would have been.

Cinemarasigan
26th July 2012, 03:16 PM
Are you talking about potential or performance ?

Potential- ai patthi nammai vida P_R-ku nallAvE theriyum.. telling about ferfaamance onlyll

Cinemarasigan
26th July 2012, 03:24 PM
Performance dhaan. But then potential also for such roles given he was extremely sincere in executing them.

I don't think it is lack of interest CR. In fact, as I mentioned quoting the interview to Gnani, Kamal said he never took his masala roles/movies flippantly. He was very earnest about them and how he performed.

You can see some signature Kamal moments in them too. Slapsticky chaplinesque fumbles, dances (which everyone except NOV likes!), pacy and innovative fights (enough people don't mention how Kamal is heads and shoulders above Rajini in this- idhukkE oru katturai ezhudhaNum). But in the 'regular' scenes I feel Kamal is not that impressive. Some expressions looks very studied as opposed to how fluently Rajini would have been.

I think you are feeling this way because you have seen a better / matured form of Kamal's acting prior to watching these kind of masala roles.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
26th July 2012, 04:49 PM
Kamal sir and Rajini sir keenly watching the discussions in our mayyam.com

https://p.twimg.com/AyuWbVCCUAApl9V.jpg:large

SoftSword
26th July 2012, 04:51 PM
wow... both look cool in whites...
tfs sakala...

PARAMASHIVAN
26th July 2012, 05:30 PM
pacy and innovative fights (enough people don't mention how Kamal is heads and shoulders above Rajini in this- idhukkE oru katturai ezhudhaNum).

enna Solla varEl ? Puriyala?

PARAMASHIVAN
26th July 2012, 05:31 PM
I was watching the song where he accuses Sarathbabu of going from friendship to betrayal.
Very ordinary acting.

I guess that song is "oru nanbanin kathai ithu".

P_R
26th July 2012, 05:48 PM
enna Solla varEl ? Puriyala?
Usually Rajini has got this action-hero image about him, which I think is disproportionate. Rajini does a lot of 'cool' gimmicks but just pure stunt choreography he is nowhere near Kamal.

There is not enough appreciation of that.

Latter day 'concept' based fights are (rightly) remembered: the blade-fight in Nammavar, Thevar magan silambam, toilet fight in MMKR (French fencer post :lol:) ..why even the umbrella fight in Anbe Sivam (which is not that good IMO).

But you really need to see the 80s films to see how much better he is. He generally has longer sequences without cuts. He takes lesser help from quick-cut-editing (not that that's a bad thing, but you kinda feel the overall punch is not there - early 90s Vijayakanth fights vs. post 2000 which is pretty much all gimmicks).

You can see Kamal channeling a lot of martial arts aesthetics. Some of them can't even be attributed to stuntmasters. For instance in the fight right after singAri sarakku in kAkki chattai : Kamal punches a guy, while he gasps for breath, a tired Kamal wipes his face, and then punches him again :lol:

And it would appear all in one quick flow. indha maadhiri paRpala chinna chinna vishayangaL.

Cinemarasigan
26th July 2012, 06:04 PM
wow... both look cool in whites...
tfs sakala...
+1, ரெண்டு பேரும் எந்த டிரஸ் பண்றதுன்னு பேசி வச்சிருப்பாங்களோ ?

NOV
26th July 2012, 06:08 PM
dances (which everyone except NOV likes!), this is getting outrageous... :roll:
I only said that Kamal's dance lacks fluidity and grace and looks forced, whether he is doing traditional or modern
somehow it got spinned-off as I saying Kamal cannot dance... :sigh2:

as for Rajni's performance, nothing to shout about... a newcomer like arulnidhi has such moments in his debut movie Mouna Guru, and that doesnt make him comparable to Kamal
Rajni = style. Period. He is not known for his acting prowess, except in the Hub I think... :think:

PARAMASHIVAN
26th July 2012, 06:16 PM
Usually Rajini has got this action-hero image about him, which I think is disproportionate. Rajini does a lot of 'cool' gimmicks but just pure stunt choreography he is nowhere near Kamal.


Ah You are talking about fights, yes you are right, RK fights are mainly Gimmicks Compared KH , but If you look at RK's fights in late 70's to Early 80's they were much better. In terms of choreography , like you mentioned Kamal is much better than RK :)

SoftSword
26th July 2012, 06:19 PM
as a whole, the roped/flying fights in the last 10 yrs have made it really worse... i have already started thinking the 'dishyum' 'guffaa' fights looked much better and believable...

Nerd
26th July 2012, 06:22 PM
நானும் என் நண்பர்களும் ரஜினி படம் ரிலீஸ் ஆனால் கோமாளி படம் ரிலீஸ் ஆயிருக்கு பார்க்க போவோமா என்று தான் பேசிக் கொள்ளுவோம். :lol:
neenga hub-la post pannaa kooda appadiththaanunga. :lol: :lol:

MGR padaththai paaththaa circus koranga paaththu whistle adikkiRadhu dhaan nyaabagam varum.

SoftSword
26th July 2012, 06:24 PM
aagaa... romba naal aachu... sari konja neram observe pannuvom... epdiyum digression threadku dhaan pOgappOdhu...

Nerd
26th July 2012, 06:29 PM
Yeah, I ll make it go to digs thread ASAP.

-Sam Anderson's inspiration - Dr. Namadhu MGR
-MGR's performance in crying scenes is unparalleled in any universe. In fact I wonder how is it even possible to twitch your facial muscles like that. Surely he was an athisayappiRavi. I get reminded of George Carlin's fat people - Cirque De Soleil comment.
-MGR's performance in songs, wah reh waa andha kaalaththula vijay awards irunthaa award for bestest hands avarukku dhaan every damn year.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
26th July 2012, 06:32 PM
Rajini sir speech in kumki function. As usual Magnanimous Human being! :clap:


பத்மஸ்ரீ, உலகநாயகன், என் நண்பர், நான் முன்பே சொன்னதுபோல என் கலையுலக அண்ணா கமல்ஹாஸன் அவர்களே, அருமை நண்பர் சத்யராஜ் அவர்களே, தயாரிப்பாளர் லிங்குசாமி அவர்களே, இயக்குநர் பிரபு சாலமன் அவர்களே, அருமை சகோதரர் பிரபு அவர்களே… என்னை வாழவைக்கும் தெய்வங்களான தமிழக மக்களே…

சிங்கப்பூர் மருத்துவமனையில் நான் சிகிச்சை பெற்றபோது கமல் என்னை பார்க்க வந்திருந்தார். டாக்டர்கள் சந்திக்க விடாததால் வருத்தத்தோடு திரும்பினார்.

ரஜினியைப் பார்க்க நான் சிங்கப்பூர் போயும், பார்க்க அனுமதிக்கவில்லையே என்று வெளியில் சொல்ல முடியாத சூழலாகிவிட்டதே என கமல் என்னிடம் பின்னர் வருத்தத்துடன் கூறினார். ஐயாம் சாரி கமல்… நான் சென்னை திரும்பியதும் நானே உங்களை வந்து சந்திக்கிறேன் என்று தெரிவித்தேன். சென்னை திரும்பியதும் முதலில் அவரிடம்தான் பேசினேன்.

கமல் மிகச் சிறந்த கலைஞர். அவருக்கு ஹாலிவுட் படத்தை நடித்து இயக்க கமலுக்கு அழைப்பு வந்துள்ளது. அதுவும் சாதாரண தயாரிப்பாளரிடமிருந்தல்ல… லார்ட் ஆப் தி ரிங்ஸ் படத்தைத் தயாரித்த நிறுவனத்திடமிருந்து. இதன் மூலம் தமிழ் திரையுலகுக்கும், இந்தியாவுக்கும் கமல் பெருமை சேர்த்துள்ளார்.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
26th July 2012, 06:35 PM
Raasaaraamu! Release aana udanee paappeengaLaa?! avlo pudikkum pola :rotfl: thalaiver padam kooda ivlo seekkiram neenga paakkamaatteengaLe! Rajini padathula oru vishayam pudikkalennaa athai mattum open aa post pannungaLen ungala yaaru thaduthaa?!?

Athai vittuttu neenga sonna code word actually yaar use pannuvaanga theriyumaa?!? field reality theriyaatha aalaa irukkeengaLe?!?

Nerd
26th July 2012, 06:41 PM
He is not known for his acting prowess, except in the Hub I think... :think:
Neenga dhaanE hub is a reflection of real world apdeenu sonneenga? And you are also so against people making fun of hub / hub's opinions? :think:

What do you think I (for one) have been doing for the past 7-8 years in the hub? Trying to prove (with ample samples) that Rajini can act too. The emphasis is clearly on pre-thaLapthi films. You are highly opinionated but if I was successful in making at least a few other people give second thoughts about the common opinion that Rajini = Style and Style only, I will be super thrilled.

venkkiram
26th July 2012, 06:52 PM
P_R that was a good post on stunts. Ithaiyellam urakka sollikkonde irukkanum. While I was reading your post, 2 stunt sequences flashed into my mind. 1) stool fight in TTT 2) elevator fight in vetrivizhaa. Kamal moviesa brought vareity of colours in this art. From almost real ones like moonraam pirai, makanathi prison, devar magan climax to the ones you mentioned.

hamid
26th July 2012, 06:57 PM
Anne enga ponaaru? Ticket count edukkava :lol2: Refresh pannikitte irukken. Onnum nadakka maatenguthee :D

Nerd/ SS / others, enna ranakalm nadanthaalum screenshotto, text copyo. Ethavathu eduthu enakku PM pannidunga... Paya pullaingala namba mudiyaathu. Asantha neram paarthu adichiruvaainga :)

SoftSword
26th July 2012, 06:59 PM
yov... summa Orangatti nikkakoodadhu... jump in when needed...

hamid
26th July 2012, 07:02 PM
Athellam theva padaathu.., perisunga paarthukkum :)

app_engine
26th July 2012, 07:10 PM
உடை அலங்காரத்தின் மீதான ஈடுபாடு இதெல்லாம் கணக்கில் எடுத்துக்கொண்டால் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் ராஜா!

instant :rotfl:

I'm currently watching this KJY songs DVD (60's-70's-80's) at the rate of 10-20 min daily -while doing elliptical - and it has many MGR songs of 70's...

romba sirikka vaikkAtheenga saar :-)

PARAMASHIVAN
26th July 2012, 07:16 PM
Oh Rasa Raam annan vanthutara!

Start the Music!

PARAMASHIVAN
26th July 2012, 07:21 PM
Anne enga ponaaru? Ticket count edukkava :lol2: Refresh pannikitte irukken. Onnum nadakka maatenguthee :D


pOrutharr boomi Azhvar! konjum porunga annan list oda varuvaru?

joe
26th July 2012, 07:21 PM
சொல்லிட்டார்யா சுப்ரீம் கோர்ட் நீதிபதி.
எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு வக்காலத்து வாங்கினத்துக்கு எனக்கு வேணும் ..எனக்கு வேணும் :lol:

உம்மால என்ன நடந்துச்சு ? சும்மா இருந்த 4 பேரை சொறிஞ்சு விட்டு எம்.ஜி.ஆரை பத்தி அவங்க பேசும்படி வச்சாச்சு ..என்ன எம்.ஜி.ஆர் ரசிகரோ ?ஹைய்யோ :)

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
26th July 2012, 07:23 PM
NanbargaLe, namakkuL sandai vEndaam! Nagaichuvai thnundu raasaaraamukku thevaiyaana bathiladi tharappattuvittathu! Naam nammudaiya aarogiyamaana vivaathathai thodaruvom

hamid
26th July 2012, 07:28 PM
Agree with Sakala

hamid
26th July 2012, 07:29 PM
But allow me to join Joe :lol:

Now continue

Cinemarasigan
26th July 2012, 07:32 PM
கடந்த சில நாட்களாக ரஜினியை பற்றி கமல் ரசிகர்களும், கமலை பற்றி ரஜினி ரசிகர்களும் மரியாதையோடும் உயர்வாகவும் விவாதித்து வருவது யாருக்கோ பொறுக்கவில்லை. பெரியோர்கள் ஆவன செய்து இந்த ஆரோக்யமான விவாதங்கள் தொடர உதவுங்கள்..

irir123
26th July 2012, 08:01 PM
சினிமா சம்பந்தமான தொழில் நுட்பம், சண்டைக் காட்சிகளுக்குத் தேவையான விளையாட்டுக்கள் (பத்து குண்டர்களை அடித்து வீழ்த்தனும் என்ற காட்சியில் ஒரு நம்பகத் தனிமை கொண்டு வருதல்), உடை அலங்காரத்தின் மீதான ஈடுபாடு இதெல்லாம் கணக்கில் எடுத்துக்கொண்டால் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் ராஜா!

have always wondered abt Rajini's contribution to a given film, besides his trademark charisma-pulling-crowds ?

MGR am told was part of the music/song composition, choice of lyrics, screenplay etc etc - of course, his care/concern in keeping himself in shape is legendary!
the last factor probably helped in bringing in the 'pathhu gundars adithhy veezhthum believability' factor!

Rajini does appear to have played roles in dialog (punches!) choice, but keeping in shape etc etc ?? he just manages NOT to look overweight but definitely not a Stallone who can beat the sh*t out of even 2 guys!

PARAMASHIVAN
26th July 2012, 08:17 PM
have always wondered abt Rajini's contribution to a given film, besides his trademark charisma-pulling-crowds ? Me too, but nobody really knows what goes behinds the scenes.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
26th July 2012, 08:33 PM
என்ன கமல், இந்த மைய்யம் பசங்க நம்மள பத்தி நல்லபடியா பேசுறாங்களா

நல்லாத்தான் பேசுறாங்க ஆனா சமயத்துல எனக்கே கண்ண கட்டுது!

http://www.top10cinema.com/dataimages/16065/16065-5-2.jpg

app_engine
26th July 2012, 08:34 PM
Rajini of 80's didn't possibly get involved in the selection of technicians (e.g. who'll be music director for his next movie 'huh, let the producer decide'). Even KH was possibly MD-agnostic during 70's-80's and let the producer-director choose whoever was to their liking.

However, Rajini of 90's and later possibly had a major interest in it. (e.g. enakku Rahman thAn vENum) So is possibly KH of 90's and later (e.g. enakku Rahman konjam kashtam) :-)