Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

[Anban]

yeah, i also got this doubt, P_R is writing about Kamal's films in different places in the net, one day some university is going to offer him Ph.D without even he applies for that..
ya like most of those PHD theses which are too long to read .. skim panrathey kasttamaa irukku.. seri ithukku mela padikka mudiyaathu.. nalla irukkura maathiri thaan irukku.. thesis'a ok panniduvom..

[jaiganes]

ya like most of those PHD theses which are too long to read .. skim panrathey kasttamaa irukku.. seri ithukku mela padikka mudiyaathu.. nalla irukkura maathiri thaan irukku.. thesis'a ok panniduvom..
OH! padikka mudila adhanaal paaraatugirOm typesaa?

[geno]

முகலாயர் ப்டையெடுப்பு என்றும், வெள்ளையர் வருகை என்றும் நாம் பாடம் சொல்லித்தருகிறோம்


ஆரியர் வருகை; முகலாயர் படையெடுப்பு - என்பதுதான் பாடப்புத்தகங்களின் அயோக்கியத்தனமான கருத்துருவாக்கம்! கமல் எங்கு சுற்றியும் சரியாகத்தான் வருகிறார்!

Marauding from the edge of the caucausus, into BMAC, thru Khyber and into the gangetic plains! - the long lost persian cousins have followed the perfect barging script - and destroyed the indigenous people.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

அது நிஜம்தானே! முகலாயர் கொள்ளை அடிக்கவும் அழிக்கவும்தானே வந்தார்கள்? அழிந்த கோயில்கள் கலை சிற்பங்கள் தான் எவ்வளவு??!!

அதே சமயம், வெள்ளையரும் கொள்ளையர்தான், வியாபாரம் செய்யவந்து நம்மை ஆண்டனர், கொள்ளையும் அடித்தார்கள்.

"முகலாயர் ப்டையெடுப்பு என்றும், வெள்ளையர் வருகை " என்பது, எப்படி/எதற்கு நுழைந்தார்கள் என்ற அளவில் சரிதானே. பிறகு என்ன செய்தனர் என்பதில் உன்மை திரிபுகள் இருந்தால், அதுதான் தவறு!

[geno]

அது நிஜம்தானே! முகலாயர் கொள்ளை அடிக்கவும் அழிக்கவும்தானே வந்தார்கள்? அழிந்த கோயில்கள் கலை சிற்பங்கள் தான் எவ்வளவு??!!

அதே சமயம், வெள்ளையரும் கொள்ளையர்தான், வியாபாரம் செய்யவந்து நம்மை ஆண்டனர், கொள்ளையும் அடித்தார்கள்.

"முகலாயர் ப்டையெடுப்பு என்றும், வெள்ளையர் வருகை " என்பது, எப்படி/எதற்கு நுழைந்தார்கள் என்ற அளவில் சரிதானே. பிறகு என்ன செய்தனர் என்பதில் உன்மை திரிபுகள் இருந்தால், அதுதான் தவறு!

You should contemplate why would Kamalhassan have Mortimer Wheeler in the script of "Hey Ram" and why would Saketh and Amjad have that conversation in the dark lanes of Chandni chowk...

[geno]

The man who was associated with "Apocalypse Now", barry osborne, commends Kamal's intricate sense of Art, History, Literature!

Lookin at the videos that Kamal and Osborne - together and separately speaking on the Hollywood venture, it could be something that takes off where Hey Ram left...or what Maruthanaayagam's Khan Sahib emphasizes... Alternative History, history of the fallen and an anti-thesis of history itself.

[jaiganes]

ஆரியர் வருகை; முகலாயர் படையெடுப்பு - என்பதுதான் பாடப்புத்தகங்களின் அயோக்கியத்தனமான கருத்துருவாக்கம்! கமல் எங்கு சுற்றியும் சரியாகத்தான் வருகிறார்!

Marauding from the edge of the caucausus, into BMAC, thru Khyber and into the gangetic plains! - the long lost persian cousins have followed the perfect barging script - and destroyed the indigenous people.

as far as "aariyar varugai" - there is a divided house - There is the european supported "AIT - Aryan Invasion Theory" and the contrary ones that say that Aryans were part of natives. The textbooks strongly support "AIT" and say that Aryans defeated and pushed the natives of Indus valley civilization - so crediting kamal for "revolutionizing" is a stretch. Otherwise that "Khyber pass" reference was nicely done.
OTOH - except Jalaludeen Akbar and Humayun to an extent - were there any mughal ruler who was kind to non-islamic inhabitants of India and their beliefs? Answer is a resounding NO and I dont need to belong to any faith to back down from stating this fact - If Camel hassan is bent on distorting this fact - then shame be upon him.

[irir123]

here is a scientifically established evidence based paper - http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Frepository.ias.ac.in%2F21305%2F1% 2F315.pdf&ei=nuzYT4aiKYWA6QGQtYnBAw&usg=AFQjCNEtQHV0nZg5yAcaBE06Ohcs6dR-RQ&sig2=VXcQZ1_XKMPxVhfmAJsUhA

"This finding is indicative of a higher Caucasoid
admixture in northern Indian populations. By examining the sharing of haplotypes between Indian and south-east Asian populations, we have provided evidence that south-east Asia was peopled by two waves of migration, one originating in India and the other originating in southern China. These findings have been examined and interpreted in the light of inferences derived from previous genomic and historical studies."

also check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia

"The genetic affinities of both the ancestry components are incompatible with substantial gene flow into the region during Max Mueller’s purported Indo-Aryan invasion 3,500 years ago."

as a molecular evolutionary biologist, i know a little bit abt how 'history' can often be distorted without scientific facts / evidence - however, kamal's penchant for thorough research gives me hope that he wont stumble and present distortions as facts!

[P_R]

நன்றி மக்காள். மொத்தமா clips, frame-pics எடுத்து blogல archive பண்ணணும்.

Regarding AIT, பொதுவா இந்த டாபிக்கை ஆரம்பிச்சா திரி தீ புடிச்சு எரிஞ்சு பூட்டு போட வேண்டி வந்திருக்கு-ன்றது ஹப் வரலாறு.
ஆனா இதைப் பத்தி matureஆ நாம விவாதிக்கலாம்னு தான் நினைக்கிறேன். history threadல பேசலாமே.

அம்ஜத் வசனம் ஒண்ணை back-of-the-mindல வச்சிக்கிட்டோம்னா இதைப் பத்தி even-handedஆ, academic-curiosityஓட பேசலாம்: Many came through the Khybher, why pick on me? அப்பொ நான் பொறக்கலியே...நான் உன் கூட வளர்ந்தவன் டா

இல்லைன்னா, அவங்கவங்க நம்பிக்கைக்கு தோதாவே சரித்திரத்தைப் படிச்சு, பேசி உருப்படியா ஒண்ணும் பகிர்ந்துக்கமுடியாது. "இழந்ததை உணர்ந்திடு, இருப்பதை காத்திடு" மாதிரி ஒரு 'bond' ஏற்படுத்துற platform மாதிரி எதுவுமே கிடையாது. அடிப்படைவாதி-யும் அதான் சொல்லுவான். அடிப்படைவாதத்தை எதிர்க்கிறவனும் அதையே தான் சொல்லுவான். Double-edged sword of a line.

படங்களைப் பத்தினா இங்க பேசுவோம். Research papers, AIT, Mughals பத்தி இன்னும் பேசப்போறோம்னா நாம அப்படியே அலேக்கா History Forumக்கு shift ஆயிக்குவோமா?

[Anban]

OH! padikka mudila adhanaal paaraatugirOm typesaa?

Naan appidi thaan .. but not the only one here like that

[San_K]

dig

எனக்கு ரொம்ப நாளாவே ஒரு டவுட்டு. முதன் முதல்ல ரெண்டே ரெண்டு (ஆண், பெண்) பேர் தான் இருந்தார்களா? அப்படினா இப்போ உள்ள எல்லா பேர்களும், செத்து போனவர்களும் சொந்தக்காரர்கள் தானே? இல்லை ஒவ்வொரு பேரினங்களிலும் (நீக்ரோ, சைனீஸ், வெள்ளைக்காரன், இந்தியன்) ஒரு ஜோடி பேர் மனித இனத்தை ஆரம்பித்து வைத்தார்களா? :roll: :-D

/dig

[San_K]

ஆரியர் வருகை; முகலாயர் படையெடுப்பு - என்பதுதான் பாடப்புத்தகங்களின் அயோக்கியத்தனமான கருத்துருவாக்கம்! கமல் எங்கு சுற்றியும் சரியாகத்தான் வருகிறார்!

Marauding from the edge of the caucausus, into BMAC, thru Khyber and into the gangetic plains! - the long lost persian cousins have followed the perfect barging script - and destroyed the indigenous people.

அப்போ "ஆரியர் படையெடுப்பு; முகலாயர் வருகை" அப்படின்னு வசுகிட்ட யோக்கியத்தனமா ஆகிடுமா?

பாகிஸ்தான்ல ஒரு குரூப் திராவிட மொழி பேசுறாங்க, அது பத்தி என்ன நினைக்குறீங்க!? பார்த்திபன்-கிறவர் ஆரியர் திராவிடர் இருவருமே ஈரான் ல இருந்து வந்த ஒரே இனத்தவர் என்று ஒரு (யூக) புத்தகமே எழுதி இருக்கிறார், ஆரியர் தரை வழியாகவும், திராவிடர் கடல் வழியாகவும் இந்திய வந்தனர் என்கிறார்.

[P_R]

Naan appidi thaan .. but not the only one here like that
:-)
unga nilamai enakku puriyudhu. enna seyya, idhellAm chinna vayasulayE ennai thiruththi irukkaNum. ellArum circus-ku ittnu pOyi balti pOdurA 'ntaanga. pOttunErukkEn inni varaiyilu.

adhu pOla 2-3 twitlonger post pOda vENdiyadhA pOchchu. twitlonger-la pEsunadhellAm sErththu bedhdha post oNNu ippo pOttirukkEn.

Kamal - the writer/director (http://dagalti.blogspot.in/2012/06/kamal-writerdirector.html)

[SoftSword]

naanum long posts avlova padikkiradhilai... mukkiyamaa piriyaadha engleesla irundhaa...
but PR not for u... unga ezhutthukkum ennatthukkum naan muttai-visiri...

[Bala (Karthik)]

:-)
unga nilamai enakku puriyudhu. enna seyya, idhellAm chinna vayasulayE ennai thiruththi irukkaNum. ellArum circus-ku ittnu pOyi balti pOdurA 'ntaanga. pOttunErukkEn inni varaiyilu.

adhu pOla 2-3 twitlonger post pOda vENdiyadhA pOchchu. twitlonger-la pEsunadhellAm sErththu bedhdha post oNNu ippo pOttirukkEn.

Kamal - the writer/director (http://dagalti.blogspot.in/2012/06/kamal-writerdirector.html)
Long post-avadhu mannaangattiyaavadhu, neenga ezhudhunga saar :thumbsup:

[groucho070]

+1 kamaan tiger, kamaan kamaan...

[irir123]

dig

எனக்கு ரொம்ப நாளாவே ஒரு டவுட்டு. முதன் முதல்ல ரெண்டே ரெண்டு (ஆண், பெண்) பேர் தான் இருந்தார்களா? அப்படினா இப்போ உள்ள எல்லா பேர்களும், செத்து போனவர்களும் சொந்தக்காரர்கள் தானே? இல்லை ஒவ்வொரு பேரினங்களிலும் (நீக்ரோ, சைனீஸ், வெள்ளைக்காரன், இந்தியன்) ஒரு ஜோடி பேர் மனித இனத்தை ஆரம்பித்து வைத்தார்களா? :roll: :-D

/dig

dig

one man - one woman origins is biblical metaphor - not proven science - anthropological and molecular evidence points to a clan of homo erectus having descended from a common ancestor - we have neanderthal cousins as well - we share more than 90% genomic similarity with chimps, btw!

end dig

[jaiganes]

dig

one man - one woman origins is biblical metaphor - not proven science - anthropological and molecular evidence points to a clan of homo erectus having descended from a common ancestor - we have neanderthal cousins as well - we share more than 90% genomic similarity with chimps, btw!

end dig
exactly. evolution is a funny fenonair.
nariyai pariyai maatrum, pariyai nariyai maatrum
in a given condition and to a certain degree.
just like how kamal takes the same knot of
private detetive and made mma and now vr.

[selvakumar]

dig

எனக்கு ரொம்ப நாளாவே ஒரு டவுட்டு. முதன் முதல்ல ரெண்டே ரெண்டு (ஆண், பெண்) பேர் தான் இருந்தார்களா? அப்படினா இப்போ உள்ள எல்லா பேர்களும், செத்து போனவர்களும் சொந்தக்காரர்கள் தானே? இல்லை ஒவ்வொரு பேரினங்களிலும் (நீக்ரோ, சைனீஸ், வெள்ளைக்காரன், இந்தியன்) ஒரு ஜோடி பேர் மனித இனத்தை ஆரம்பித்து வைத்தார்களா? :roll: :-D

/dig

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding

[KlamRoyA]

Kamal Sir Unseen Jesus Song in Mangala Mangai Film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tMLx1dHSuwc

[irir123]

happened to watch 'Manmadha leelai' few days ago - wonder how such a film was received in 1976 !!

[Plum]

adhu enna 1976? nalLAvE Odichunu dhAn kELvi. That aside, i protest against "1970sla indha padamlAm OdichA" type sendiments(although irir might not have intended it that way). 1970s makkaL were far more discerning than today's audience.

[KlamRoyA]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600019_242016172568636_1111519388_n.jpg

"அபூர்வ ராகங்கள்" படத்தை கே .பாலச்சந்தர் ஹிந்தியில் 1984 ஆம் ஆண்டு "EK NAI PAHELI " என்ற பெயரில் எடுத்துள்ளார் .

சுந்தர்ராஜன் ரோலில் ராஜ்குமார் ,ஸ்ரீ வித்யா ரோலில் ஹேமா மாலினி ,கமல் ரோலில் கமலே ,ஜெயா சுதா ரோலில் பத்மினி கோலாபூரி ,ரஜினி ரோலில் சுரேஷ் ஒபரோய் ,நாகேஷ் ரோலில் மெஹ்மூத் நடித்துள்ளனர் .

[P_R]

Casting ovvoNNUM ninaichchaalE :lol: A irukkE!
Has anyone seen this movie?

[Cinemarasigan]

Casting ovvoNNUM ninaichchaalE :lol: A irukkE!
Has anyone seen this movie?

looks like a good movie and ImDB has rated this 8/10.

[P_R]

avinga range-Lu irukkum. Santhilalmohanlal music. Hmmm

[Plum]

I have seen adisaya raagam indhi version. Msv>>>>santhilalmoganlal, vidya>>>malini

[jaiganes]

Revisited some segments of MMKR yesterday..
The scene where Crazy venkatesh and ponnambalam follow madhan and then get diverted to follow Kaameshwaran - Kamal and crazy in full form is a given.
But a close scrutiny of music opens up a revelation!!
While the "madhan follow" scene is in progress - the music is all jazz and brass - cool..
Then Kaameshwaran crosses path - small shift in the BGM as the followers contemplate- then they begin following kaameshwaran - now the music is all funky carnatic - flute violin and mridhangam full flow - ending in the signal - the "closing theermaanam" - is a carnatic delight with morsing joining in...
It appears as if Kamal and Raaja had a script level discussion on how this scene is going to be edited - but it is not the case - Raaja simply scored for the completed and edited scene and it came out extempore - Just like that and that is pure genius all abound - from Kamal writing it, crazy dialoguing it up and Raaja completing it.. Immense delight.

[P_R]

A few months back I watched MMKR.
For all my protestations about BGM I found myself 'remembering' and expecting and humming pieces in MMKR, before they appeared!

[Arvind Srinivasan]

Photos from Vijay Awards

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[Arvind Srinivasan]

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[KlamRoyA]

"I adopt a very motherly attitude to every film of mine. I want to feed it, nurture it, and give it all the emotion I have."

- Kamala haasan...

From FB...

[app_engine]

layman has posted this link in the IR forum:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tamil/arts_and_culture/2012/06/120618_olympicsong.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/tamil/arts_and_culture/2012/06/120618_olympicsong.shtml)



கமலஹாசன் மற்றும் ஸ்ரீபிரியா நடிப்பில் 1981ல் வெளியான 'ராம் லக்ஷ்மண்' என்ற படத்தில் வரும் பாடல் இது.

சடுகுடு அல்லது கபடி விளையாட்டு வீர்ர் ஒருவர் அந்த விளையாட்டின் போது பாடுவது போல் அமைந்திருக்கும், விறுவிறுப்பான இசையுடன் கூடிய இந்தப் பாடல், அந்தப் படம் வெளியான போது பெரிய அளவில் ஹிட் ஆனதாக நினைவில்லை.

ஆனால் இப்போது சர்வதேசப் புகழ் பெற்ற பிரிட்டிஷ் இசைக்குழுவான பீட்டில்ஸ் மற்றும் பிற பிரபல பிரிட்டிஷ் இசைக்கலைஞர்களான ஏமி வைன்ஹவுஸ், ரோலிங் ஸ்டோன்ஸ், ஷுகர் பேப்ஸ் போன்றோரின் பாடல்களுடன் இந்தப் பாடலின் ஒலிக்கீற்றும் இந்த தொடக்க விழா நிகழ்வில் இடம்பெறலாம் என்று பிரிட்டிஷ் பத்திரிகைகளில் கசிந்து வந்துள்ள செய்திகள் தெரிவிக்கின்றன.

[hattori_hanzo]

சடுகுடு அல்லது கபடி விளையாட்டு வீர்ர் ஒருவர் அந்த விளையாட்டின் போது பாடுவது போல் அமைந்திருக்கும், விறுவிறுப்பான இசையுடன் கூடிய இந்தப் பாடல், அந்தப் படம் வெளியான போது பெரிய அளவில் ஹிட் ஆனதாக நினைவில்லை.

:notthatway: Nallaave Hit Aachunga. Marana Mass saangu. If I'm not wrong, this song comes immediately after a fight sequence (and not Kabadi or Sadugudu), somewhat similar to 'Saandhu Pottu' from Thevar Magan.

நான் தான்கொப்பண்டா
நல்லமுத்து பேரன்டா
மல்லுகட்ட வந்தவன
பல்லுகட்ட வைப்பேன்டா வாடா

தெரியுண்டா எனக்கு புரியுண்டா
காட்ட முடியுண்டா கராடே.. ஹூ.. ஹா..
புலியடா எமனும் எலியடா
முஹம்மத் அலியடா அண்ணாத்தே
வீரன் படு சூரன்
நா கட்டபோம்ம்மன் பேரன்
ஹூ ஹூ ஹூ ஹூ

[Arvind Srinivasan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH40EVY4tLg&feature=relmfu

Well the song you guys are talking about is in the video...Had the opportunity to watch the song just recently when Ram Lakshman was telecasted on TV..Watch from 02:50

[app_engine]

:notthatway: Nallaave Hit Aachunga.


That statement is from BBC website, not mine :-)

Actually I've covered the very song as a 'hit' in the SPB/IR thread of IR Forum (where I've been posting IR-SPB hits for the last 400+ days, one song a day) :-)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

https://p.twimg.com/AvscxJ5CMAAZBwQ.jpg:large

http://nikhilscinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Cinemaa-Awards-2012-Stills-Gallery-2-1.jpg

http://nikhilscinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Cinemaa-Awards-2012-Stills-Gallery-2-2.jpg

http://nikhilscinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Cinemaa-Awards-2012-Stills-Gallery-7.jpg

[hattori_hanzo]

That statement is from BBC website, not mine :-)

Actually I've covered the very song as a 'hit' in the SPB/IR thread of IR Forum :-)

App, enakku andha paattu perisa onnum pidikkaadhu. In fact, I have never watched Ram Lakshman (Devar filmna namakku allergy) but had heard this song several times in radio when I was a kid.



where I've been posting IR-SPB hits for the last 400+ days, one song a day) :-)

I yam regular visitor'nga.

Adheppidi BBC indha paatta select panninaanunga? :roll:

[app_engine]

(Devar filmna namakku allergy)

:rotfl:



I yam regular visitor'nga.


mikka nanRi, the series has ended today :-)

[Cinemarasigan]

https://p.twimg.com/AvscxJ5CMAAZBwQ.jpg:large

http://nikhilscinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Cinemaa-Awards-2012-Stills-Gallery-2-1.jpg

http://nikhilscinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Cinemaa-Awards-2012-Stills-Gallery-2-2.jpg

http://nikhilscinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Cinemaa-Awards-2012-Stills-Gallery-7.jpg

looks like Haasar taking these VR heroines wherever he goes and promoting the film.. good publikuty..

[Plum]

A few months back I watched MMKR.
For all my protestations about BGM I found myself 'remembering' and expecting and humming pieces in MMKR, before they appeared!

medhuvA thaEn varuvain medhuvA thaEn varuvain - vandhuttAn!

[P_R]

No. Essentiality panjAyathu appadiyE dhAn irukku. Konjam rasikka mudiyudhu.
The piece when Raju goes to retrieve kalaiporum. No more somber tension. Joy! Humming as I type now. Adhu maadhiri.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

http://cinema.vikatan.com/?option=com_content&view=article&id=463&cid=9&Itemid=103
விஜய் அவார்ட்ஸுக்கு இது ஆறாவது சீஸன்!

கதாநாயகிகள் ஆண்ட்ரியா, பூஜா குமாரோடு மேடையேறி ‘விஸ்வரூபம்’ டிரெய்லரைத் திரையிட்டார் கமல். ‘படத்துல நான் நல்லவனா... கெட்டவனாங்கிறதை வசூலைப் பொறுத்துதான் சொல்ல முடியும். படத்தோட சிறப்புனு சொல்லணும்னா, ரசிகர்கள்தான். இவ்வளவு விலையில் பெட்ரோல் விக்கும்போதும் நான் வண்டிக்கு பெட்ரோல் போட முடியுதுன்னா, அதுக்குக் காரணம் அதே ரசிகர்கள்தான்’’ என்று நெகிழ்ந்தார் கமல்.

வாழ்நாள் சாதனைக்கான செவாலியே சிவாஜி கணேசன் விருது ‘பாடும் நிலா’ பாலுவுக்கு. அவரை, ‘‘அண்ணே ரண்டி... அண்ணே ரண்டி...’’ என்று மேடைக்கு அழைத்த கமல், ‘‘சினிமாவில் எனக்குக் கிடைத்த சில அண்ணன்களில் எஸ்.பி.பி.யும் ஒருவர்’’ என்று நெகிழ்ந்தார். ‘‘பாடாத மேடை இல்லை. போடாத வேஷம் இல்லை. சிரிப்புக்குப் பஞ்சமில்லை’’ எனப் பாடி உருகவைத்த எஸ்.பி.பி.க்கு கமல், ஏ.ஆர்.ரஹ்மான், பிரபு, மூவரும் இணைந்து விருது அளித்தனர்.

[jaiganes]

No. Essentiality panjAyathu appadiyE dhAn irukku. Konjam rasikka mudiyudhu.
The piece when Raju goes to retrieve kalaiporum. No more somber tension. Joy! Humming as I type now. Adhu maadhiri.
My favourite piece in the movie is the BGM for Michael character - still wondering how that sound(synth + bass guitar ??) was achieved - eery tone easily conveys that the guy is upto no good. contrast to that Raaju gets full Jazz - brass treatment. Kameshwaran expectedly gets semi carnatic. Overall the music has been done like a musical annotation for a character study than a standard template comedy BGM job. I wouldnt be surprised if it was Raaja who suggested the title too..
In contrast - among heroines - only oorvasi gets a melodious and playful flute with mridangam doing a peculiar thalam.. Trust Raaja to understand what is special and what is not.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Nikil Murugan ‏@onlynikil

Ulaganayagan opens the Spectrum Mall & Sathyams S 2 on Friday at Perambur.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

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[KlamRoyA]

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news-1/jun-12-03/kamal-haasan-haridas-20-06-12.html

Kamal Haasan's role in Haridas

Kamal Haasan never involves himself in a film unless it truly impresses him. It looks like Haridas has managed to do it. Kamal Haasan has accepted to croon under the music direction of Vijay Antony for this film.

The film is directed by GNR Kumaravelan of Ninaithale Inikkum fame and stars Kishore and Sheha in the lead roles. This film revolves around an eight year old boy and his views on life and his father. R Rathnavelu is cranking the camera.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

WOW! WOW!! WOW!!!

https://plus.google.com/photos/114928446469849258000/albums/5549832827559070881?banner=pwa

Universal Hero Kamal Haasan's Box Office Records! :clap: :notworthy: :ty:

[dell_gt]

WOW! WOW!! WOW!!!

https://plus.google.com/photos/114928446469849258000/albums/5549832827559070881?banner=pwa

Universal Hero Kamal Haasan's Box Office Records! :clap: :notworthy: :ty:

superb!!!

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/RAAAAL6N_EG4TSviVRH2jlCw82ssWRStK-2ZetbS4QVuUpi62Xf68_4AHEnpgn9CQtjpfV6JbuIspqcrLy93 p8EyqMWeQL0gqK7lZ8iL5937BwbvAJtU9VB5dEl0WR48-8rjnqalAhIqsKzlXg.jpg

[Bala (Karthik)]

WOW! WOW!! WOW!!!

https://plus.google.com/photos/114928446469849258000/albums/5549832827559070881?banner=pwa

Universal Hero Kamal Haasan's Box Office Records! :clap: :notworthy: :ty:
All credit to Sandiyar Karan + Triplicane C.Rajkumar for my ever favorite saadhanai pattiyal banner :clap:
:thumbsup: For the person for breaking it up and uploading

[Arvind Srinivasan]

WOW! WOW!! WOW!!!

https://plus.google.com/photos/114928446469849258000/albums/5549832827559070881?banner=pwa

Universal Hero Kamal Haasan's Box Office Records! :clap: :notworthy: :ty:


Excellent...:clap: :clap:

[groucho070]

waitanimitforfivenimits, Guna crossed 100 days??

I'll whimper in delight tonight after son and wife sleeps.....

Oh, Plum, checkout the pre 1987 or 1989 ones :tongueout:

[P_R]

anbE sivam 100 naaL OdinA veedhi naadagamE pOda vENdaaME

kaLathUr kaNNammAku rightla irukkura telugu padam ennadhu?

[P_R]

Oh Dilip saab-ku appovE ticket eduththirukkaarA.
I yam sorry. oru nalla manushanai sandhEgappattuttEnE.

[Cinefan]

WOW! WOW!! WOW!!!

https://plus.google.com/photos/114928446469849258000/albums/5549832827559070881?banner=pwa

Universal Hero Kamal Haasan's Box Office Records! :clap: :notworthy: :ty:

:clap:

Guna poster-la irukkara looks super.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

waitanimitforfivenimits, Guna crossed 100 days??

I'll whimper in delight tonight after son and wife sleeps.....

Oh, Plum, checkout the pre 1987 or 1989 ones :tongueout:


Enakku therinji according to a reliable source (one of my Anni who was a newlywed, so poi solla maattaanga :lol: ) Guna ran much better in Pondy.

Also met a great person at VV50thday@KasiTHeatre who saw Guna for 25+ times.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

anbE sivam 100 naaL OdinA veedhi naadagamE pOda vENdaaME

kaLathUr kaNNammAku rightla irukkura telugu padam ennadhu?

ethu ithuvaa? I think Kaithiyin Dairy

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h7Pu2XDdskw/TR8ZgcewzeI/AAAAAAAABMw/m_lB9PhfE7E/s466/3.jpg

And anbe Sivam, Mahanadhi 100th day ellaam serious aa edthukkapdaathu! 80th day, aarvam kaaraNamaa ethaachum (onnu rendu )puNNiyaathmaas vanthu paathirukalaamOlyO!

[Anban]

sakala, therinja maathiri pesa koodaathu.. aandavar kevalamaa padatha otturavaru illa..

[KlamRoyA]

Nikil Murugan ‏@onlynikil
Vishwaroopams mind blowing 4 mnts Stunner to all medias by 30 th june eve..

:redjump::redjump:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

There is no wrong meaning! Even I saw mahaanadhi 3 times(2.5 times actually) in theater. I am meaning to say there would have been atleast some audience who saw the film even at aroung 80th day.. Wherecome the meaning comes that he stretched the run?

Perusaa eduthukka koodaathu means, though there were audience, it could have been thin...

[Anban]

Rejected

[HonestRaj]

Enakku therinji according to a reliable source (one of my Anni who was a newlywed, so poi solla maattaanga :lol: ) Guna ran much better in Pondy.

Also met a great person at VV50thday@KasiTHeatre who saw Guna for 25+ times.

is he a fellow hubber..

kamal padam releasukku correct'ah aajar aavaru... ippo varradhillai..

Amarshiva...... hub is missing u..

[cinema]

For me the unique record of Kamal is not only he directly acted in five languages (Tamil, Malayalam, Telugu, Kannada and Hindi) but also gave silver jubilee hits in those languages and also won filmfare award on all those languages for the best actor. This is what we call it as true nationwide acceptance. This particular record of Kamal may never be broken.

[irir123]

Idhula i know for sure the grand successes of

1. 'Moonram pirai' (remember seeing it in Salem as a kid with family, some 120 days after release and it was a houseful evening show !!),

2. Thoongadhey TT (had to get tickets through 'influence' at Sapna in Salem again! and i still recall the sea of crowds outside the hall, matched only by the crowds for 'mundhanai mudichu' and 'moondru mugam'),

3. Aboorva Sago (watched it first time in Tirunelveli - theatre was 3/4th full for a friday morning show! by the time we came back to chennai, it was a patti thotti hit! later on when we moved to hyderabad, i came to know that the telugu version ran for six months and over in the hyd-sec'bad twin cities alone!! later on, in bangalore, I learnt that it ran for a year in a hall located between Bangalore and Hosur, and each time it was re-released it was running to packed houses for weeks together in Bangalore as well as AP!)

4.SKV - no two ways abt it - a garam masala film that elders winced to look at - it ran, ran, ran and ran for months together!

5.Kuruthipunal - traffic jam near Devi complex first week of its release !! managed to see it only after it completed 70 days!

6.Thevar magan - saw the trailer during ROJA screening and thought 'what the heck ? is kamal going the bharatiraja way ? i hope there are no white saree clad dancers in the background while kamal dances' - it picked up through sheer WOM and a big success in one of the largest halls in South India, DEVI cinema, Chennai

7. Nayagan - thiruttu video available within a week of its release! entire family shocked to watch the film - but, first 20 days, theatres la 'ee, kaakkaa' illai! adhukkaappuram, WOM, plus anantha vikatan/kumudham reviews sent the film's BO sky-rocketing! most interestingly, it was re-released in 1988 at Nagesh theatre (near Pondy bazaar) and ran for a month!!

8. am surprised there is no mention of 'sigappu rojakkal' which am told was a cult classic hit in 1978 when it was released ! 16 years later in 1994, it was re-released in Pilot theatre, Chennai, and run for 3 weeks!

as for the other films, i think some digital silmisham has been done to make them look like they were hits! GUNA was a total washout in AP running for exactly 3 days in hyderabad! MAHANADHI 'mukki mukki' 100 days odichhu!

almost everyone of Kamal's 'masala' films were blockbusters! and his offbeat attempts juxtaposed between masala films were average hits

[HonestRaj]

MAHANADHI 'mukki mukki' 100 days odichhu!

i always said in hub.. Mahanadhi ran 150+ days in Kovai.. & the link has that poster..

ps: theater'la kootam irundhadha illaya'nu enakku theriyadhu :mrgreen:

[tamizharasan]

Idhula i know for sure the grand successes of

1. 'Moonram pirai' (remember seeing it in Salem as a kid with family, some 120 days after release and it was a houseful evening show !!),

2. Thoongadhey TT (had to get tickets through 'influence' at Sapna in Salem again! and i still recall the sea of crowds outside the hall, matched only by the crowds for 'mundhanai mudichu' and 'moondru mugam'),

3. Aboorva Sago (watched it first time in Tirunelveli - theatre was 3/4th full for a friday morning show! by the time we came back to chennai, it was a patti thotti hit! later on when we moved to hyderabad, i came to know that the telugu version ran for six months and over in the hyd-sec'bad twin cities alone!! later on, in bangalore, I learnt that it ran for a year in a hall located between Bangalore and Hosur, and each time it was re-released it was running to packed houses for weeks together in Bangalore as well as AP!)

4.SKV - no two ways abt it - a garam masala film that elders winced to look at - it ran, ran, ran and ran for months together!

5.Kuruthipunal - traffic jam near Devi complex first week of its release !! managed to see it only after it completed 70 days!

6.Thevar magan - saw the trailer during ROJA screening and thought 'what the heck ? is kamal going the bharatiraja way ? i hope there are no white saree clad dancers in the background while kamal dances' - it picked up through sheer WOM and a big success in one of the largest halls in South India, DEVI cinema, Chennai

7. Nayagan - thiruttu video available within a week of its release! entire family shocked to watch the film - but, first 20 days, theatres la 'ee, kaakkaa' illai! adhukkaappuram, WOM, plus anantha vikatan/kumudham reviews sent the film's BO sky-rocketing! most interestingly, it was re-released in 1988 at Nagesh theatre (near Pondy bazaar) and ran for a month!!

8. am surprised there is no mention of 'sigappu rojakkal' which am told was a cult classic hit in 1978 when it was released ! 16 years later in 1994, it was re-released in Pilot theatre, Chennai, and run for 3 weeks!

as for the other films, i think some digital silmisham has been done to make them look like they were hits! GUNA was a total washout in AP running for exactly 3 days in hyderabad! MAHANADHI 'mukki mukki' 100 days odichhu!

almost everyone of Kamal's 'masala' films were blockbusters! and his offbeat attempts juxtaposed between masala films were average hits

Nayagan producer released original vcd within week of release. BTW nayagan had a great opening and it did not have to wait for 20 days because all Rajini Kamal movies had grand opening because of fan base irrespective of the end result.

[San_K]

And kamal's offbeat Virumaandi is hit to super hit in BO

[SoftSword]

// irir, from salem? nice to meet!

[irir123]

SoftSword - am not from salem - am from everywhere (originally from madurai area, but given the places I have travelled, am not even sure what I should say abt my roots!) - just happened to live in salem for around 2 years and movies were the only means of entertainment there, besides Yercaud, of course !

[SoftSword]

// ah okies... neenga salem'la irundha kaalatthula, salem was having the maximum number of theatres... and movie releases would happen like festivals, especially rajini-kamals...

[irir123]

tamizharasan - disagree wrto Nayagan - at least at Udhayam cinema complex, it was 'ee, kaakka' for first 2 weeks - we were living less than 2kms from Ashok pillar - so I can vouch for that !

OTOH, 'kakki chattai', 'oru kaithiyin dairy' were amali dumali hits from day one!

[Nerd]

Funny to see IRIR who is SO FREAKIN AGAINST audiences celebrating artists as demi-Gods use words like amali thumali / traffic jam etc. and in the processing talking high of veRum BO suksass.

[tamizharasan]

tamizharasan - disagree wrto Nayagan - at least at Udhayam cinema complex, it was 'ee, kaakka' for first 2 weeks - we were living less than 2kms from Ashok pillar - so I can vouch for that !

OTOH, 'kakki chattai', 'oru kaithiyin dairy' were amali dumali hits from day one!

Nothing to argue here. So you are trying to say that Kamal does not have fan base to keep the movie busy for even first 2 weeks and WOM is the only to get commercial success for him. During those days seeing Rajini or Kamal movies is impossible for the few days. For movies like Maveeran, Vikram which incidentally home production for both Rajini and kamal, I had seen people walking on the heads of other people to get the tickets on the first day. Anyway freeya vidunga.

[tamizharasan]

Funny to see IRIR who is SO FREAKIN AGAINST audiences celebrating artists as demi-Gods use words like amali thumali / traffic jam etc. and in the processing talking high of veRum BO suksass.

Internally most of the people enjoy the BO success of their favorite stars and I have seen it very obvious in all threads here. It really does not matter who is their favorite hero. Inga ellA sandaiyum BO Success-a vachchi thAna.

[irir123]

Nerd - I am only sharing my observations!! I never did say I was part of any of this celebration nonsense, nor am I in favor of any of the 'milk/honey abhishekam' of cutouts nonsense!

and never have I taken the risk of watching any film (Rajini or Kamal, doesnt matter - btw, as a mini-digression, just so that you know - until I was 14, I was an ardent Rajini movie watcher - its from the late 80s, i got disinterested with his 'image' based films! maybe all of that coincided with my reading habit that had just then picked up bigtime) on the day of its release.

palmoil, kerosene, aavin milk, idhukkellaam veyyilla nikkaradhu poradhunnu, cinemakaranukku yaen nikkanumnu thaan!

[tamizharasan]

irir123
My point here is people go ga ga over their favorite heroes box office achivement more than anything here. Do you think I don't agree with any of Kamal's box office success. After these many years producers are still willing to pay several crores for Rajini and kamal to act in their movies as heroes. That itself talks about their box office success. No one does business for free in Cinema and no one knows that better than Kamal himself and that is why he always claims that he wants all of his movies to be successful.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Funny to see IRIR who is SO FREAKIN AGAINST audiences celebrating artists as demi-Gods use words like amali thumali / traffic jam etc. and in the processing talking high of veRum BO suksass.
+1000, idhula ivaru BO verdict vera pass panraapla, jithu vela panni potrukkaangalaam... :lol2:

And adhu eppadi Kamalukku mattum BO la interest-e illadhavanga ellaam oh, idhu correct-a? Appadi theriyalaye nu kelvi ellaam ezhupparaanga. Yempa yen?????

[P_R]

And adhu eppadi Kamalukku mattum BO la interest-e illadhavanga ellaam oh, idhu correct-a? Appadi theriyalaye nu kelvi ellaam ezhupparaanga. Yempa yen?????
I am counting myself also here. I don't deeply care about BO numbers but I posted about Anbe Sivaum.

sandhEgaththukkAga illeengaNNA, but oru vishayam therinjikkalaamnudhaan 'nga.

You may remember the discussion we had about Kamal's comments about the producers support (lack therof) about Anbe Sivam to the extent of saying 'if it were a Rajkamal film, this would have been a hit'). Hence the surprise to see a 100 day foster for that film.

[Cinefan]

Just for info,
I saw Mahanadhi at Anand theatre(?,the theatre whose owner was the bad guy in Agni.....),Chennai for the 1st time when it was nearing it's 90th day.Theatre only 20 to 25 % full.

Guna -3rd day,Shanthi theatre,B'lore.Annikku Mama vettu Gruhapravesam.Theatre valiya dhaan poganum.House full but it fell from the very next day despite rave reviews in the local news papers.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

http://nikhilscinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/S2-Theatre-Inauguration-121.jpg

http://nikhilscinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/S2-Theatre-Inauguration-41.jpg

http://nikhilscinema.com/events/kamal-haasan-inaugurated-s2-theatrespectrum-mall-stills.html

[ajaybaskar]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s480x480/250727_429711013726582_1334098350_n.jpg

[P_R]

kalyAnam social matter paNNikkalaam...diverse case ellAm varudhuppA, naan enna courtA?

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

its not just saapping maal, but also Sathyam is opening new Screens there.

[selvakumar]

I think IRIR was just referring to the kind of response different movies of Kamal generated. At least, I couldn't see anything funny except his comments on graphics gimmicks and all. I don't see any part of his post that was glorifying fanaticism (though I don't agree with any of his views on this)

[P_R]

Nayagan producer released original vcd within week of release. :roll:

[jaiganes]

:roll:
andha gaalathula yaedhu vcd?
it must be JKR's nayagan..

[SoftSword]

:lol:

oru idhuvaa solliruppaar...

[Arvind Srinivasan]

andha gaalathula yaedhu vcd?
it must be JKR's nayagan..

:lol2:

[Raajjaa]

1987ம் ஆண்டில் இருந்து தான் தமிழ் நாட்டில் vcd அறிமுகம் ஆனது. தீபாவளிக்கு வெளியான நாயகன்,உழவன் மகன் படங்களுக்கு படம் வெளிவந்த அன்றே ஒரிஜினல் பிரிண்ட் வெளியிடப் பட்டது. ஆனால் மனிதன் படத்திற்கு avm நிறுவனத்தார் vcd வெளியிடவில்லை.

1988ம் ஆண்டு சத்யா படத்திற்கும் படம் வெளிவந்த அன்றே ஒரிஜினல் பிரிண்ட் வெளியிடப் பட்டது. அதற்கு பின்பு என்ன காரணம் என்று தெரியவில்லை நிறுத்திவிட்டார்கள்.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

ingEyumma , Suthum :lol:

[irir123]

I think IRIR was just referring to the kind of response different movies of Kamal generated. At least, I couldn't see anything funny except his comments on graphics gimmicks and all. I don't see any part of his post that was glorifying fanaticism (though I don't agree with any of his views on this)

ejjattly! i was only sharing what i could recollect from my memories - pre-1978 memories are not vivid as i was too small - nammakku gyabagam irundhadha vacchu sonnaen! and of course my opinion of FDFS adulation - nothing wrong in it, so far as it does not affect others - there are makkals all over the world, who would do anything for their favorite rockstars, popstars etc etc - so idhuvum adhula serthhi - avvalo thaan

[KlamRoyA]

ingEyumma , Suthum :lol:

:rotfl:

[joe]

Enakku therinji according to a reliable source (one of my Anni who was a newlywed, so poi solla maattaanga :lol: ) Guna ran much better in Pondy.

Nth time I am telling this :)
Guna ran for 90 days in Nagercoil , that too in a big theatre Lakshmi (now no more)

[Nerd]

IRIR, Don't you see the difference between - movie was a hit / good response VS amali thumali / traffic jam (not sounding condescending). So you are caught there :-) And you hide behind a lame post searching for cover.

[jaiganes]

1987ம் ஆண்டில் இருந்து தான் தமிழ் நாட்டில் vcd அறிமுகம் ஆனது. தீபாவளிக்கு வெளியான நாயகன்,உழவன் மகன் படங்களுக்கு படம் வெளிவந்த அன்றே ஒரிஜினல் பிரிண்ட் வெளியிடப் பட்டது. ஆனால் மனிதன் படத்திற்கு avm நிறுவனத்தார் vcd வெளியிடவில்லை.

1988ம் ஆண்டு சத்யா படத்திற்கும் படம் வெளிவந்த அன்றே ஒரிஜினல் பிரிண்ட் வெளியிடப் பட்டது. அதற்கு பின்பு என்ன காரணம் என்று தெரியவில்லை நிறுத்திவிட்டார்கள்.
sooper. i never knew - my nakkals back into my naakku.

[irir123]

IRIR, Don't you see the difference between - movie was a hit / good response VS amali thumali / traffic jam (not sounding condescending). So you are caught there :-) And you hide behind a lame post searching for cover.

no need to search for cover (AFAIK) - amali thumali (figuratively speaking ?), traffic jam usage are perfect observations !! thats how it felt around that time

right adjacent to udhayam complex was a shopping center - actually an 'I' shaped structure, that had a book lending library, stationary, grocery, audio shops, a rice/wheat grinding flour mill and of course a ration shop! on the other side of the center, was an 'aavin thaaniyangi paal vazhangum' unit !! so used to frequent this place with cousins, friends etc and hence have vivid memories of the crowds around udhayam complex when the likes of 'kaithiyin dairy' , 'padikkathavan','kakki chattai', 'kodi parakkuthu' were released

no more postings on this subject - the 'amali dumalis' were real and not just imagined!

[SoftSword]

ippo prachinayae adhu illa...
friends'oda sendhu frequent visits to aavin paal shop?? :shock:

[joe]

IMO , Few movies BO status were always taken in Vacha kudumi adicha mottai way ..As far as I know Mahanathi , Guna , Kuruthipunal had recent run in many towns ,but generally termed as flops ..I was in Trichy when Mahanathi released and it ran not less than 85 days in Maris Rock ..Guna ran for 90 days in nagercoil (not even a city) ,so no surprise it ran for 100 days .. Kuruthupunal BO is underrated just by comparing with Muthu , otherwise It was a decent hit .

[Nerd]

One last post - amali thumali is a term used by 'fanboys' who you seem to completely detest. You would mainly see fanboys talk about BO / traffic jam etc., the ones who do anything for their star, waste time on unproductive activities and what not. And I found you using those fanboy-only terms funny, that is all to it. I don't doubt the BO success of any of the films you have mentioned, that is not the point - really.

This is just a general karuththu. And our *one-off* personal experiences can't make facts. For e.g. I saw Thenali 2nd day morning show and Maris 70MM was only half-full (Thenali was considered a huge hit) and PKS couple of weeks after its release, again weekend morning show and the theater was housefull. And PKS is considered a moderate hit.

[irir123]

ippo prachinayae adhu illa...
friends'oda sendhu frequent visits to aavin paal shop?? :shock:

aavin paal shop mattum illai! ration, maligai, matrum audio kadai ellaam setthuthaan !

[irir123]

One last post - amali thumali is a term used by 'fanboys' who you seem to completely detest. You would mainly see fanboys talk about BO / traffic jam etc., the ones who do anything for their star, waste time on unproductive activities and what not. And I found you using those fanboy-only terms funny, that is all to it. I don't doubt the BO success of any of the films you have mentioned, that is not the point - really.

This is just a general karuththu. And our *one-off* personal experiences can't make facts. For e.g. I saw Thenali 2nd day morning show and Maris 70MM was only half-full (Thenali was considered a huge hit) and PKS couple of weeks after its release, again weekend morning show and the theater was housefull. And PKS is considered a moderate hit.

i gave you my 'birds eye view' - thats all - plus am not privy to hardcore BO stats, nor do i claim to be a 'thillalangadi' in these matters - namakku andha alavu theatre business parichchayam kidayathu! for instance, i was of the understanding/conviction that 'sivaji the boss' was a BO success never heard of/seen before, until someone close to a chennai theatre owner (who is also close to AVM production house) told me otherwise! i was a bit confused, and then gave up thinking, 'namakku idhellaam puriyaadha vishayam'! yaar solradha namburadhunney puriyala - adhanaal, i am escaaappe

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

General Reference
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1719/bokumudam.jpg

[Srimannarayanan]

General Reference
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1719/bokumudam.jpg


Sakala

U missed 7m Arivu. It is a 3rd biggest blockbuster in 80 years of tamil film history.

[KlamRoyA]

Sakala

U missed 7m Arivu. It is a 3rd biggest blockbuster in 80 years of tamil film history.

:rotfl:

[Arvind Srinivasan]

Sakala

U missed 7m Arivu. It is a 3rd biggest blockbuster in 80 years of tamil film history.

:lol:..idhu solratthukkum chance irukku, as 7th sense came 9 months after this report.....

[tamizharasan]

:roll:
It should have been VHS instead of vcd.

[joe]

This all time highest collection list itself is nonsense .. Ulagam sutrum Vaaliban , Vasantha MaaLigai appo collect panninathai just Rupee vachu eppadi compare panna mudiyum ?

[Arvind Srinivasan]

Probably the profit percentage should be the ideal way to rate the biggies....The smaller films with lesser known actors sometimes do rake in the profits and these should be conveniently ignored...A good example is Subramaniapuram which released two weeks after Dasavathaaram....

[tamizharasan]

This all time highest collection list itself is nonsense .. Ulagam sutrum Vaaliban , Vasantha MaaLigai appo collect panninathai just Rupee vachu eppadi compare panna mudiyum ?
I agree it should have been adjusted to inflation. BTW for sure I know Guna was very much profitable movie. Because I remember reading from the paper that it costed only 50 lakhs to that movie with out renumeration to Kamal. He basically got the money from the profit. OTOH Thalapathy costed 3.5 crores and also made decent profit. Runwise thalapathy might have enjoyed better run overall but profit wise no big difference because of much lower cost to Guna.

[KlamRoyA]

This all time highest collection list itself is nonsense .. Ulagam sutrum Vaaliban , Vasantha MaaLigai appo collect panninathai just Rupee vachu eppadi compare panna mudiyum ?

+1... money inflation ipo month by month poi, day by day aatchu...

antha kaalathulaye USV movie pala crore vasool pannutchame....

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Joe, Adjusting to Inflation shud be done for all movies. For that, 1st, there shud be some credible information about Box office Collection. Also, it shud also be adjusted to Population rise. But that doesn't make the above listed movies, and their records as non sense. They surely make sense.

Aravind, the talk is not at all about profit, shares of Producer-Distributor-Exibitor etc, but only about Total Collection, which indicated the max no of tickets sold for a particular movie.

TA, on that DeepaavaLi, the more profitable movie was neither Guna nor Thalapathy but Bramma which ran well!

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Joe, if you say that the yesteryear movies made more or equal collection percentage, then why not limit the comparison only there? Even the age also shud be considered no? In age of 50+, what was the collection/hit rate of NT/MT compared to Kamal/Rajini?

Actually there are lots of other factors even in current scenario. For example, Vijay/Ajith/Surya movies too run well and they too get salaries in range of 15+ Cr. This shud be compared to what kind of Box office impact did the stars like Jayashankar/Muthuraman/Gemini Ganesan etc had. Becos, we cannot consider Kamal/Rajini as retired, for atleast some 3/4 years from now!

[joe]

But that doesn't make the above listed movies, and their records as non sense. They surely make sense.
Their record in collection makes sense ,but list like this in the name of 'All time highest collection' just by Rupee figure doesn't make sense , atleast for me .

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

What to do?! We don't have a exhaustive list containing films of all age! Poor documentation :)

[Arvind Srinivasan]

Aravind, the talk is not at all about profit, shares of Producer-Distributor-Exibitor etc, but only about Total Collection, which indicated the max no of tickets sold for a particular movie.


Point taken....

[joe]

Sakala,
Simple question ..Do you think Sakalakalavallavan or Thoogathe thampi thoogathe collection is less than vettaiyadu Vilayadu , which is in the list?

[SoftSword]

joe,
avlo worthaana discussionae illai idhu... freeyaa vidunga... sakala... ungalukkumdhaan...

[HonestRaj]

Sakala,
Simple question ..Do you think Sakalakalavallavan or Thoogathe thampi thoogathe collection is less than vettaiyadu Vilayadu , which is in the list?

:)

sakala've idhai oththukkamattengumpodhu..
ini Surya - karthi rasigargal ellam oththukkave mattanga..

[KlamRoyA]

Sakala,
Simple question ..Do you think Sakalakalavallavan or Thoogathe thampi thoogathe collection is less than vettaiyadu Vilayadu , which is in the list?

Inflation padi paartha, SKV wil be more than VV..

Let be 100 rs for SKV = 10000 rs for VV (for ex. )

[HonestRaj]

joe,
avlo worthaana discussionae illai idhu... freeyaa vidunga... sakala... ungalukkumdhaan...

adhukkilla softu.. idhai thelivu paduthanum..
illaina 10 varusathukku munnadi irundhavanga ellam nadigargale illaingra madhiriyum.. ippa opening week cross aanadhum ella padamum vasool mazhai pozhiyura madhiriyum oru build up kudukka aarambichuduvanga..
ungalukku prachanai illai.. ippavum irukeenga.. eppavum irupeenga..

sakala should have listened about "andhra market" thing said in saguni audio release function

[KlamRoyA]

Sakala,
Simple question ..Do you think Sakalakalavallavan or Thoogathe thampi thoogathe collection is less than vettaiyadu Vilayadu , which is in the list?

Inflation padi paartha, SKV wil be more than VV..

Let be 100 rs for SKV = 10000 rs for VV (for ex. )

[hattori_hanzo]

Talking about box office, I'd like to ask this question to the other Kamal fans here. Am I the only person who finds it extremely tough to convince someone from the general public that Dasavatharam was NOT a box office disaster? I mean, they don't just call it a flop. It is termed disaster by at least 7 out of 10 people I talk to(idhu south. In case of north indies, it is worse - 10/10). Forums, blogs, coffee time chats - its the same everywhere. Forget making them believe that it was a genuine blockbuster. The moment I say it made a huge profit, I am being mocked at. Appidi indha padam enna paavam senjuchu therila. If one person talks about Vishwaroopam, the very first comment we hear is - Let this not become a dud like Dasavatharam. Ippove ippidinna future'la nelama mosama thaan irukkum :-(

[joe]

Did they confuse with Soorasamhaaram ? :lol:

[HonestRaj]

hattori annE.. same experience..

[joe]

I think these guys have no idea about BO ,but just showing 'Dasavatharam' -lam enga range-kku jujubee -nra maathiri peela vidura pretending world movie watchers :lol:

[hattori_hanzo]

Did they confuse with Soorasamhaaram ? :lol:

Illa Joe. Inga 'they' enbadhu oru chinna vattam kedaiyaadhu. Neutral non-hubbergal nu sollalaam. This never happened to Thevar Magan, Ab.Sago or any other big movie. These people club Dasa with Alavandhaan, Anbey Sivam & Hey Ram when they talk about KH's high-on-hype-low-on-returns movies. IMO, Aascar, media and Kamal himself are to be blamed for this 'bimbam'.

[pushpak]

Talking about box office, I'd like to ask this question to the other Kamal fans here. Am I the only person who finds it extremely tough to convince someone from the general public that Dasavatharam was NOT a box office disaster? I mean, they don't just call it a flop. It is termed disaster by at least 7 out of 10 people I talk to(idhu south. In case of north indies, it is worse - 10/10). Forums, blogs, coffee time chats - its the same everywhere. Forget making them believe that it was a genuine blockbuster. The moment I say it made a huge profit, I am being mocked at. Appidi indha padam enna paavam senjuchu therila. If one person talks about Vishwaroopam, the very first comment we hear is - Let this not become a dud like Dasavatharam. Ippove ippidinna future'la nelama mosama thaan irukkum :-(

I reflect the same opinion. There was no hype about its success. Was Nammavar not interested in celbrating the success? Confusing !!!

[SoftSword]

naan idhai pudhusaa kelvi padraen...
enakku therinjavarai everyone is aware that its a big success and rave about it... paattheengalaa... ennoda circle ellaam degent..

[Anban]

Don't make me angry your honour ..

[Arvind Srinivasan]

Talking about box office, I'd like to ask this question to the other Kamal fans here. Am I the only person who finds it extremely tough to convince someone from the general public that Dasavatharam was NOT a box office disaster? I mean, they don't just call it a flop. It is termed disaster by at least 7 out of 10 people I talk to(idhu south. In case of north indies, it is worse - 10/10). Forums, blogs, coffee time chats - its the same everywhere. Forget making them believe that it was a genuine blockbuster. The moment I say it made a huge profit, I am being mocked at. Appidi indha padam enna paavam senjuchu therila. If one person talks about Vishwaroopam, the very first comment we hear is - Let this not become a dud like Dasavatharam. Ippove ippidinna future'la nelama mosama thaan irukkum :-(

I've had the same experiences...Box Office collectionsa pathi sonna avanga total turnover kammi thaannu solittu poidranga.....

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

There was no hype about its success. Was Nammavar not interested in celbrating the success? Confusing !!!

1) Nammavar not celebrating - Even if there was no tiff btw Aascar Ravichandran and Kamal, generally Heroes don't directly do anything to publisize or celebrate a movie's success. But Ravichandran gave hell a lot of Ads and Interviews pointing out its collection. Not sure if Sun Pictures CEO gave an interview to a reputed daily like Economic Times, openly indicating the figures.

2) Hyping shud be done by Producer and Media. For Dasavatharam, Producer didn't do the 1st one. Media agreed to certain extent that it broke ALL records. Only God shud answer why it was NOT hyped by Media. Dasavatharam is a **rare** Blockcuster where there was not a single loss report.

[Anban]

Some stupid Kamal fans are to blame .. why do you trust upon your correct statements on ignorant fools .. those fools will only think we are trying to sell something unreal .. the more we try, the worse it gets .. hence stop this discussion ..

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

3) When Udayanidhi Stalin **skipped** Dasavatharam from the 2nd biggest Blockbuster list when advertising about 7nth Sense, at some point, this matter was informed to Thalaiver, by some Saga fans and Thalaiver expressed his refusal and anger to them.

4) Kamal reportedly told to a Sun TV reporter, which was video recorded, but reportedly not telecasted(?) that Dasavatharam broke ALL records.

5) The 1st official info that Dasavatharam collected 250+ Crores came via 2 Articles from Economic Times & Hindu.

http://m.economictimes.com/PDAET/articleshow/msid-4357064,curpg-1.cms
As he draws gently into his cup of tea, Kamal Haasan displays a composed look. His last movie to hit the screens, Dasavatharam, that was released nearly a year ago, set the cash registers ringing and Haasan's satisfaction with its success is evident. "It was made with budgets that were unheard of in the Tamil film industry and it made four times the kind of money that was possible," he says matter-of-factly of the movie that cost producer, Oscar Ravichandran Rs 60 crore and is said to have raked in over Rs 200 crore with a Hindi version ready for release.

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200904102111.htm
It has been almost an year since Kamal has faced the camera after completing the shooting of the block buster Dasavathaaram, which raked in more than Rs 250 crore worldwide.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Kamal Haasan Inaugurates S2 Theatre Complex

www.youtube.com/watch?&v=ApJP9uv6Tm4

[KlamRoyA]

//SAKALA..rumour aired tat unga hub id name la surya remake panna poraram... :fatigue:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

I guess it is official

http://tamil.oneindia.in/movies/news/2012/06/next-remake-kollywood-is-sakalakala-156284.html
இப்படத்தின் ரீமேக்கில் நடிக்க சூர்யா விருப்பம் தெரிவித்திருந்தார். இதைத் தொடர்ந்து இப்படத்தை தாங்களே ரீமேக் செய்வதாக ஏவிஎம் அறிவித்துள்ளது.
இதுபற்றி அதிகாரப்பூர்வமாக செய்தி வெளியிட்டுள்ளனர் ஏவிஎம் நிறுவனத்தினர்.

Btw, I am sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar :wink:

[KlamRoyA]

//dig-- y ur id is sakaLAKALAKAlaa instead of sakalakala... ?

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Kamal was Sakalakalaa vallavan when that movie released. now he is Master of all Arts and the expertise has grown up in many no of fields. So, for each talent, we shud add a Laka so that it becomes LakaLakaLakaLaka (growing.....) So to cut short it, and also following hub's limit in naming, i have added one extra LAKA and thus it is!

Itntha info ellaam hub Varalaaru :lol: MunnOdi gaLukku mattum theriyum!

[KlamRoyA]

//apo hub id la Rajni punch dialogue um olinjirukku nu sollunga... :rolleyes:

[Anban]

What a shame.. It will be an utter flop

[HonestRaj]

What a shame.. It will be an utter flop

once before i read, Ajith wanted to remake Thee & SKV also.. while doing Billa-I

[HonestRaj]

Kamal was Sakalakalaa vallavan when that movie released. now he is Master of all Arts and the expertise has grown up in many no of fields. So, for each talent, we shud add a Laka so that it becomes LakaLakaLakaLaka (growing.....) So to cut short it, and also following hub's limit in naming, i have added one extra LAKA and thus it is!

Itntha info ellaam hub Varalaaru :lol: MunnOdi gaLukku mattum theriyum!

ippathan indha extra LAKALAKA's parkkuren...

[hattori_hanzo]

Some stupid Kamal fans are to blame .. why do you trust upon your correct statements on ignorant fools .. those fools will only think we are trying to sell something unreal .. the more we try, the worse it gets .. hence stop this discussion ..

Anban, I do not think there is anything stupid in thrusting the facts. "fanboy fights"oda fundamental rule adhu dhaane? However, if someone says Thevar Magan flopped, he can probably be(with an easy majority) branded an 'ignorant fool'. In the case of Dasa, the general public simply refuses to believe that it ranks among the biggest BO winners in TFI. It is now 4 years since the movie released. Other than those 2 articles in TOI and The Hindu and the Kumudam edition posted by Sakala, has anybody else acknowledged these collection figures? Our very own producers like US try to hide Dasa's records and he was able to make his so called 'fact' reach the masses. Imagine what would have happened had he replaced any of the other two movies in the list with 7am Arivu?

This is just my polambal & I know this discussion will not go anywhere. Now that KH is in 'NI' limelight again, I sincerely hope the success of VR will bring to light the records of Dasa too, or at least help this movie do away with that tag.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Hatori, to answer only onle line of ur post, this one -> "the general public simply refuses to believe that it ranks among the biggest BO winners in TFI. "

One major but important change which most of us aren't aware. Those are days where 100th day posters, Siver Jubilee Functions, etc were benchmarks. Nowadays, who reads dailies like Dhinathanthi which gets maximum no of Cine Ads?! Also who looks for posters?

Nowadays, info flows from Internet to (Offline)Public. Even Info is 1st released to Net, than the normal offiline medium. Trailers reach youtube before Theaters. So, once if somebody is present on web, (Orkut/Facebook.Twitter, forums, ect) and even check emails! (friends send a load of crap and great emails such that even real good ones looks crap!) Thankfully nowadays that craps get to facebook straight!

Even the Production houses releases movie launch info on net and that reaches ppl much before the next day Dhina THanthi or Hindu or Maalai malar etc. Satellite Channels don't have this instant thing at all ehwn it comes to Cinema becos of their own nature. Unless something big(probably deaths!) happen, they don't put flash line news for each adn every Cine news item!

So, Online is the only way to go! (Maybe we can say there is no one single place to track ONLY these news, even Wikipedia is not one such. It has loads of stories. such thing is not available.)


But to answer ur rest of the thing, i would ask, what shud have been done by the Dasa Producer and Kamal? Then, what different, did other blockbusters, like endhiran producers did to highilight the fact? News coming in Kalaigner TV, Sun TV, Dinakaran, Sooriyan FM, Vikatan group ( :wink: ) etc cannot be considered!

And reg Dasa, there is no single loss report from anybody. Also, there were news about its record breaking, in some medias like Ananda Vikatan Etc.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

taken @ 1974

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180249_430474166983600_1216809301_n.jpg

[Anban]

Anban, I do not think there is anything stupid in thrusting the facts. "fanboy fights"oda fundamental rule adhu dhaane? However, if someone says Thevar Magan flopped, he can probably be(with an easy majority) branded an 'ignorant fool'. In the case of Dasa, the general public simply refuses to believe that it ranks among the biggest BO winners in TFI. It is now 4 years since the movie released. Other than those 2 articles in TOI and The Hindu and the Kumudam edition posted by Sakala, has anybody else acknowledged these collection figures? Our very own producers like US try to hide Dasa's records and he was able to make his so called 'fact' reach the masses. Imagine what would have happened had he replaced any of the other two movies in the list with 7am Arivu?

This is just my polambal & I know this discussion will not go anywhere. Now that KH is in 'NI' limelight again, I sincerely hope the success of VR will bring to light the records of Dasa too, or at least help this movie do away with that tag.

logic does not work here .. so much persuasion for what?

For dasa the Hindi version damaged its reputation a lot and media have no support

[irir123]

small digression: reg Kamal-Rajini films poster plus abhishekam culture etc etc - how were things back during the days of MGR-Sivaji ?? did they have such passionate following as well, from the older generation - with ppl taking time to indulge in 'festivities' as well ??

[HonestRaj]

most times we learn from our elders

[LihDacRurdy]

Kamal visited in our area to opens a new theatre Name S2 a satyam group theatre:

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUy-hvTMETopTmpww6PZzau9DRSj72pubrZbBJC3cD5ZfJiTt_tght tps://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtbDOA730fbUQgG7o117kbiXCfEuv_-dNnvdAEg_4c_3K96U0Lhttps://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWcpzlK0ebcZCdkPP1TydJqFPoroHA9 n3n7WX6A1ZXNeT6KeMpEfWhbaQhttps://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQx_kEtyL5sLW8FL-zr-mPaqnxbpBRfJCHQoSMhl7FJVBGIH8cU8whttps://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSD-7lKJkNA8d7txpVvKBp6toHHF4aILNb8ID2zVNxnLz8cWWJWRz6 kACq4

[LihDacRurdy]

Ivlo periya nadigar endha oru aarpatamum illama vandhutaru: Minall madhri.. missed kalaignani that day

[LihDacRurdy]

Anban, I do not think there is anything stupid in thrusting the facts. "fanboy fights"oda fundamental rule adhu dhaane? However, if someone says Thevar Magan flopped, he can probably be(with an easy majority) branded an 'ignorant fool'. In the case of Dasa, the general public simply refuses to believe that it ranks among the biggest BO winners in TFI. It is now 4 years since the movie released. Other than those 2 articles in TOI and The Hindu and the Kumudam edition posted by Sakala, has anybody else acknowledged these collection figures? Our very own producers like US try to hide Dasa's records and he was able to make his so called 'fact' reach the masses. Imagine what would have happened had he replaced any of the other two movies in the list with 7am Arivu?

This is just my polambal & I know this discussion will not go anywhere. Now that KH is in 'NI' limelight again, I sincerely hope the success of VR will bring to light the records of Dasa too, or at least help this movie do away with that tag.

Kamaloda idea Dasa la epadiyirundhadho adhey pola VR yum irundha Kandipa adhu oru record break amaiyum..

after Rajini's sivaji andha record a yaralum ini break panna mudiyadhunu.. But das did it collecting 350 crores world wide..

wishing VR team.. movie will be a big block buster in TFI

[LihDacRurdy]

TFI la yaroda record yum yarum break panna mudiyadhunu solradhey thapu: Example : Chinna thambi & Roja

[Cinemarasigan]

andha gaalathula yaedhu vcd?
it must be JKR's nayagan..

:lol: adhaanE...

[groucho070]

I guess it is official

http://tamil.oneindia.in/movies/news/2012/06/next-remake-kollywood-is-sakalakala-156284.html
இப்படத்தின் ரீமேக்கில் நடிக்க சூர்யா விருப்பம் தெரிவித்திருந்தார். இதைத் தொடர்ந்து இப்படத்தை தாங்களே ரீமேக் செய்வதாக ஏவிஎம் அறிவித்துள்ளது.
இதுபற்றி அதிகாரப்பூர்வமாக செய்தி வெளியிட்டுள்ளனர் ஏவிஎம் நிறுவனத்தினர்.

say it ain't true!!!!

[HonestRaj]

say it ain't true!!!!

let them remake..
we will discuss the possible replacement for Silk...

[app_engine]

let them remake..
we will discuss the possible replacement for Silk...

:rotfl:
:rotfl:
:rotfl:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

not only silk, how will u find a replacement for the New Year Song, which is unavoidable every year?!?

[venkkiram]

not only silk, how will u find a replacement for the New Year Song, which is unavoidable every year?!? இருக்கவே இருக்கு ரீமிக்ஸ்! தமன், இமான் எல்லாம் இப்பவே ரெடியா வச்சிருப்பாங்க இந்தப் பாட்டுக்கு ரீமிக்ஸ் !

[NOV]

how will u find a replacement for the New Year Song, which is unavoidable every year?!?I hope they don't remake the song.... one of the most embarrassing songs ever.... :banghead:

[SoftSword]

nov, by any chance are u speaking about the original ilamai idho idho as the most embarassing song??

[NOV]

nov, by any chance are u speaking about the original ilamai idho idho as the most embarassing song??
yes.... just like vikram being the most embarrassing kamal film...

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

I hope they don't remake the song.... one of the most embarrassing songs ever.... :banghead:

Ada pudikkalennu kooda sollalaam, but embarrassing?!? yuck! Konjam kooda yosikkaama sollalaam. Ulagathulaye ippadi oru comment ungaLa thavira vera yaarukkum irukkaathunnu!

Channels air this song not just becos one word, "wish u a happy new year" is uttered, there is much more to this song. Even Pubs play this song at newyear midnight.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

yes.... just like vikram being the most embarrassing kamal film...

similar to your other, ever infamous, comment from you -> There is no Grace in Kamal's Dance

[NOV]

similar to your other, ever infamous, comment from you -> There is no Grace in Kamal's Dance
yes... it takes guts to admit to such embarrassing facts. (include his horrible singing and cringeworthy english)
nevertherless, Kamal is the best thing to have happened to tamil cinema... no doubts about it.

[P_R]

I hope they don't remake the song.... one of the most embarrassing songs ever.... :banghead:
:shock: :roll: :-| :lol2: :lol:

[P_R]

yes.... just like vikram being the most embarrassing kamal film...
tore :lol:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

yes... it takes guts to admit to such embarrassing facts. (include his horrible singing and cringeworthy english)
nevertherless, Kamal is the best thing to have happened to tamil cinema... no doubts about it.

yes, yennaa inga oru pathu kamal fans ungaLa suthi AK-47 oda nikkurom. athaiyum meeri neenga katts oda karuthu solreenga! intha ooru kamaloda entha aspect ai comment pannaama vitrukku?!?

[NOV]

don't take everything physically sakala... admission to ownself needs the most guts.....

[P_R]

adhAvadhu engaLukku ellAm manasukkuLLa theriyudhu.
aanaalum veLiya vittukkudukkAma varattuththanamA vivAdham pANrOm-nu mudivE paNNitteenga :lol2:

[NOV]

appadiyum sollalala PR... its more like drug-addiction.... you think you are not addicted, but in actual fact you are...
the cure is in first recognising and accepting the existence of the problem :lol:

[P_R]

Yeah like how some people have mental blocks that sadly render them incapable of appreciating the greatest humourist who ever breathed air :-)

[AravindMano]

I hope they don't remake the song.... one of the most embarrassing songs ever.... :banghead:

Eh? What? How? Why?

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Vikram is the 1st Indian Film to show Computers, ithu pazhasu, Yerkanave naanE naalanju thabaa solliyaach! So puthusaa sollanumnaa,

Vikram is the 1st film to show/portray a Software engineer.
Vikram is the 1st film to show a woman Software engineer.
Vikram is the 1st film to show a Microprocessor Kit! :mrgreen:

[NOV]

Yeah like how some people have mental blocks that sadly render them incapable of appreciating the greatest humourist who ever breathed air :-)don't be so harsh on yourself; give yourself some time and eventually you will come around.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Not to forget, Vikram is the 1st Indian Film where a Software engineer, who is a woman, goes Onsite :lol:

[groucho070]

Vikram is the first Tamizh film to feature a military intelligence officer, instead of lame cops like in those Jai Shankar movies (not that the movies are bad).

[irir123]

NOV - aanaa onnu gavanichheengalaa ? the most embarrassing song in Kamal's career is the most popular song (as well as one of the most popular films it was a part of!) and if i remember correctly, you like 'HEY RAM' immensely calling it one of Kamal's best and in terms of BO returns you know which fared better! now, NOV qualifies to be the perfect elitist fan, whose favorite films bite the dust commercially, and whose hated films are liked by the masses! NOV's preferences can now be used as a barometer for a film's probable success/ failure - for Kamal's fans sake, I hope NOV dislikes VISWAROOPAM!

[venkkiram]

NOV - aanaa onnu gavanichheengalaa ? the most embarrassing song in Kamal's career is the most popular song (as well as one of the most popular films it was a part of!) and if i remember correctly, you like 'HEY RAM' immensely calling it one of Kamal's best and in terms of BO returns you know which fared better! now, NOV qualifies to be the perfect elitist fan, whose favorite films bite the dust commercially, and whose hated films are liked by the masses! NOV's preferences can now be used as a barometer for a film's probable success/ failure - for Kamal's fans sake, I hope NOV dislikes VISWAROOPAM! Nov: பார்றா!

[NOV]

:lol: irir, I watch movies for my satisfaction and I like Kamal becos he gives me movies I enjoy and not the other way round.
and sakalakalavallavan will NEVER be in my list of fav films.

as for VR, I have high hopes for it and am 90% certain that it wont be mindless masala :poke:

[irir123]

SKV en(gal)akku pidichhirukkunnu yaarungo sonnaango ?? andha kaala kattathhula, AVM dhuttu pannanumgaradhukkaaga eduthha oru pakka masala padam! adhukku IR pottadhu masala pattus! aanaa andha masala paattulayum, niraiya matter irukku! 'ilamai idho idho' has one of the most whackiest, freakout solo rock violin piece in the first interlude! listen to it from 1:25 to 1:40 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thWEFvUeTPg&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLD57EE3BD27D00EFC - am sure the bass line has something to write about as well !

maththa paatellam kooda patti thotti hit! not that i like them and i would never put SKV in the top 200 of IR's albums! but general makkals loved this film and the meesic! appo irundha makkals lapped it up all without hesitation

indha madhiri padamellaam patti thotti hit aanadhanaalathaan, 'naan enna virumbareno, adhai vida makkal enna virumbarangalo, adhai kodukkanumnu producers ethirparkkaraanga - adhanaala, avinga kaasu, so IR meesic kidaiyaadhu' appdeenu Kamal jagaa vaanguraar! avar padu, avar thindaattam! inga namakku hubla orey kondaattam!

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

as for VR, I have high hopes for it and am 90% certain that it wont be mindless masala :poke:

:shaking: NOV, what taste u hav?? Padamaa athu! the trailer itself has mindless action sequences and looks like there is nothing other than that! Kamal is going full masala route, Violence, Action, 2 Heroines, better pls start hating the film

[venkkiram]

SKV en(gal)akku pidichhirukkunnu yaarungo sonnaango ?? andha kaala kattathhula, AVM dhuttu pannanumgaradhukkaaga eduthha oru pakka masala padam! adhukku IR pottadhu masala pattus! aanaa andha masala paattulayum, niraiya matter irukku! 'ilamai idho idho' has one of the most whackiest, freakout solo rock violin piece in the first interlude! listen to it from 1:25 to 1:40 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thWEFvUeTPg&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLD57EE3BD27D00EFC - am sure the bass line has something to write about as well !

maththa paatellam kooda patti thotti hit! not that i like them and i would never put SKV in the top 200 of IR's albums! but general makkals loved this film and the meesic! appo irundha makkals lapped it up all without hesitation

indha madhiri padamellaam patti thotti hit aanadhanaalathaan, 'naan enna virumbareno, adhai vida makkal enna virumbarangalo, adhai kodukkanumnu producers ethirparkkaraanga - adhanaala, avinga kaasu, so IR meesic kidaiyaadhu' appdeenu Kamal jagaa vaanguraar! avar padu, avar thindaattam! inga namakku hubla orey kondaattam!
சின்ன வயசுல இந்தப் பாடல் எப்போதெல்லாம் ஊர் திருவிழா, கல்யாண நிகழ்ச்சி ஆர்கெஸ்டிராக்களில் வாசிக்கப்படுகிறதோ அப்போதெல்லாம் மேடையை நோக்கி தன்னையும் அறியாமல் நகர்ந்து சென்று ட்ரம்ஸ், ஆர்கன் இசைப்பவர்களை மெய்மறந்து பார்த்துக்கொண்டிருப்பேன்.

டாப் இருநூறு ஆலபங்களில் இது சேராதா? இந்தப் பாடலும், நேத்து ராத்திரி யம்மா இரண்டுமே போதும். ராஜாவின் ரகளையான பாடல்கள்.

[KlamRoyA]

Not to forget, Vikram is the 1st Indian Film where a Software engineer, who is a woman, goes Onsite :lol:

ithukkellama oru padathai pathi perumai pada mudiyum.. . shabba..a....

[P_R]

Nov: பார்றா! :lol:

[P_R]

iLamai idhO idhO-ku ippadi oru thEdi pudichchu muyarchi paNNi (double meaning-la pEsuriyA nee) apologeticA oru rasanai note-A?

So many so many things happening in it.
This is the kind of song which I am proud of my people for enjoying and making a hit.


Where is B(K) I say??

[irir123]

சின்ன வயசுல இந்தப் பாடல் எப்போதெல்லாம் ஊர் திருவிழா, கல்யாண நிகழ்ச்சி ஆர்கெஸ்டிராக்களில் வாசிக்கப்படுகிறதோ அப்போதெல்லாம் மேடையை நோக்கி தன்னையும் அறியாமல் நகர்ந்து சென்று ட்ரம்ஸ், ஆர்கன் இசைப்பவர்களை மெய்மறந்து பார்த்துக்கொண்டிருப்பேன்.

டாப் இருநூறு ஆலபங்களில் இது சேராதா? இந்தப் பாடலும், நேத்து ராத்திரி யம்மா இரண்டுமே போதும். ராஜாவின் ரகளையான பாடல்கள்.

ragalaiyaana paadalgal - popular sensational songs also - yes! but would they fall under the category of aesthetically appealing creative songs of IR, justifying his genius ?? no, never

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

ithukkellama oru padathai pathi perumai pada mudiyum.. . shabba..a....

ethukkume aarambam nnu oNNu irukku lla?!? Athai naama paaraatta veNaamaa?!?

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Whenever that old North bugger (who use to talk low abt TN) say Violin is a Pathos instrument, and it always hears like some woman crying, i use to point 3 songs

1. Ilamai Itho Itho
2. Mella mella ennai thottu
3. Kaalakaalamaaga Vaazhum

Yaarukitta daa Dei! :D

[V_S]

Yes, I lost count how many times I would have seen this movie Sakalakalavallavan. Paatellaam appidiyE nenjula padhinjipOirchi. Ovvoru paattum oru style, graze, elegance, right from the title song Amman Koyil kezhakkaale, katta vandi (both versions), nila kayuthu, nEthu rathiri and to the ultimate ILamai idho idho. SPB's best song interms of showing his singing prowess and Raja smashing it all the way! I don't know if any of you have watched this song in theatre on its first release, without knowing the story. First half of the film was entirely based in village. It was quite good upto that. When they showed interval, I still remember our friends faces, no expressions so far. Went into the theatre after the interval, and we could not believe what we were seeing on the screen! Breath-taking experience! Kamal, what a transformation.:notworthy: Itha pOi AsAlta embarassing'nu solliteengaLE. :sad: No one can ever imagine herafter to compose such type of songs. Only once in a lifetime song! In fact every song, Enna variety, enna sugam, enna energy, enna kick, enna melodies, no one can touch that height in touching the masses! I can watch this film without getting tired even now and anytime. One of my top most Kamal movies of all time, just after Sagara sangamam, not just because of his acting and all, something else which can't be described in words. It is an experience of a life time and to be relished thorougly!

[irir123]

V_S: ennavo edho sollureenga! aanaa 90% plus podhu makkals neenga ninaikkara madhiri dhaan! thats why the pilim was a super-duper hit! andha yedho onnu sonneengaley, oru velai adhu dhaan Kamal charismaavo ?! 'kattai vandi' pattellaam IR thoongi yezhundhu kottavi vidumbodhu potta tune - adhukkellam elegance, grace nu yedhedho sollreengaley! the most elegant song of the album (besides the bombastically elegant 'ilamai itho') is 'nilaa kaayudhu'!

[groucho070]

V_S, :thumbsup:

Though Don't Sleep Bro Don't made me full-fledged fan, the vethai inngernthu arambichathu. What a movie (fits in my Kamal wants MGR shoe argument back then).

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

V_S: ennavo edho sollureenga! aanaa 90% plus podhu makkals neenga ninaikkara madhiri dhaan! thats why the pilim was a super-duper hit! andha yedho onnu sonneengaley, oru velai adhu dhaan Kamal charismaavo ?! 'kattai vandi' pattellaam IR thoongi yezhundhu kottavi vidumbodhu potta tune - adhukkellam elegance, grace nu yedhedho sollreengaley! the most elegant song of the album (besides the bombastically elegant 'ilamai itho') is 'nilaa kaayudhu'!

some films u will understand if u fit into that time period. V_S had chance to experience it. elegance grace ellaam avar other songs kku solraaru!

[Cinemarasigan]

Sakalakala Vallavan is one of the Milestones in Kamal's Career... but adhai remake senju KamalE nadichhA ippO makkaL EtthukkuvAngaLA?

[KlamRoyA]

Vairamuthu's 'Moondram Ulaga Por' releasing soon... Haasar is going to celebrate tis event..

http://www.accesskollywood.com/photo-galleries/vairamuthus-moondram-ulaga-por/images/vairamuthus-moondram-ulaga-por01.jpg

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

ஹாசர்: எனக்கு இவரை பொன்மாலைப்பொழுது காலத்துலேர்ந்தே தெரியும்...

வைரமுத்து: கமல், விஸ்வரூபத்தில் விஸ்வரூபம் எடுத்திருக்கிறார்

Now itself eyes are tying! Intha manushan paavam :lol:

[SoftSword]

yes.... just like vikram being the most embarrassing kamal film...

the song which is yucky... the song which is rank bad/dud'nu sollunga...
ungalukku kaettaalae vaandhi varudhunu sollunga... otthukkalaam... adhu individual preference...
but embarrassing - apdi ungala epdi ellaam indha paatthu embarass pannichunu onnu rendu example kudunga...

[Bala (Karthik)]

Senthil: "Nnnonsense madhiri pesadheenga" @ all membezhs :|

[NOV]

I don't know if any of you have watched this song in theatre on its first release, without knowing the story. I did. 8-)


Itha pOi AsAlta embarassing'nu solliteengaLE. :sad: No one can ever imagine herafter to compose such type of songs. Only once in a lifetime song! I hope so too... anyway there is very little chance of it happening again as the industry has moved on quite a bit. I don't think we will be embarrassed similarly again as no such travesty will ever get this popular again. :)


but embarrassing - apdi ungala epdi ellaam indha paatthu embarass pannichunu onnu rendu example kudunga...it is embarrassing VV and I guess you won't know unless you live in a mixed community :ashamed:

OK, can we move on?

[SoftSword]

it is embarrassing VV and I guess you won't know unless you live in a mixed community :ashamed:



adha dhan kekkaren...
share any such experience.. thirunjukkuren...
did it ever happen like, in an instance when u played this song, the mixed community people showed their displeasure or shared their disappointment with the kind of music in that song? i just am curious to know how did that embarass u... just that u used that exact word to make ur point...

[P_R]

it is embarrassing VV and I guess you won't know unless you live in a mixed community :ashamed:
Oh andha embarassing-A...that I understand.
Of course. The film is sahalahalavallavan for chrissake. Lowbrow aesthetics was what the film was gunning for anyway.
pAttai paththi edhO solreengaLAkkumnu ninaichuttOm.

[SoftSword]

Oh andha embarassing-A...that I understand.
Of course. The film is sahalahalavallavan for chrissake. Lowbrow aesthetics was what the film was gunning for anyway.
pAttai paththi edhO solreengaLAkkumnu ninaichuttOm.

adhu innA maamE?

[Cinefan]

Me too did not get the mixed community embarrassment.

Of course,padamum gnabagam illai, but songs ellam nenjukkul padinj,film patti thotti hit-ok but even KH will not like to talk about this,TTT,Kakki chattai,Vikram,Per sollum pillai and the types.

[P_R]

adhu innA maamE?
jigina dress, tacky constumes, cool-aangilam of Kamal, SFeeB Englis singing....veLLakkaaravuha pArthA sangadappaduvaanga illaiyA?

[SoftSword]

irukkalaam... aana avar song video'va sonna maadhiri theriyalayae...
he made that statement when someone posted like how the remix/remake will be...

[Cinefan]

jigina dress, tacky constumes, cool-aangilam of Kamal, SFeeB Englis singing....veLLakkaaravuha pArthA sangadappaduvaanga illaiyA?

Wokay,wokay.

Adhellam cringe worthy dhaan.That's why KH skips any questions about films that type.

[Cinefan]

SS,the way NOV put it initially,it was like he hated the movie(now understandable) and the songs(why ya?) and would not like a remake.Maybe he assumed the remake too will have similar costumes,ambience,fake accent etc etc etc :)

[P_R]

I still like it much much better than the Dabanggs of the world.
It achieved what it set out to do and is sincere (of course, there was no other mode of operation then).

I hate Dabbang because it wants to kinda wink at the audience (look, I am bigger than the aesthetics of this movie, I am intentionally pandering, even borderline spoofing) and at the same time get the mileage out of the format. Unselected.

[SoftSword]

SS,the way NOV put it initially,it was like he hated the movie(now understandable) and the songs(why ya?) and would not like a remake.Maybe he assumed the remake too will have similar costumes,ambience,fake accent etc etc etc :)

exactly my point... if he spoke abt the video, remake'la epdiyum adhellam avoid pannidalaamae...
but let him confirm that he spoke only abt the video and not abt music... in which case, naan panjayatthukkae vandhirukka maten..

[Cinefan]

P_R,
No comparison with Dabangg pls.SKV was watchable in the mid 80's(when I got to watch it first)along with TTT,Vikram,Vaazhve Maayam etc.

The above films are difficult to sit through now.

But I could not bear indha kaalathu Dabangg the first time around.Idhoda Telugu remake industry hit aam,My God!

[P_R]

CF, not Dabangg itself. I mean it as a placeholder for the genre.
A genre where the makers are making it clear they are intentionally adopting a 'lower' aesthetic.

[SoftSword]

CF, not Dabangg itself. I mean it as a placeholder for the genre.
A genre where the makers are making it clear they are intentionally adopting a 'lower' aesthetic.

dabbang avlovaa therla...
indha genre'ku thamizhla oru example kudunga..

[Cinemarasigan]

dabbang avlovaa therla...
indha genre'ku thamizhla oru example kudunga..

Sirutthai..

[SoftSword]

sirutthar - intentionally adopting a 'lower' aesthetic??? epdi epdi?

[Movie Cop]

sirutthar - intentionally adopting a 'lower' aesthetic??? epdi epdi?

I don't know about Siruthai...

But on this topic, intentionally adopting a "lower" aesthetic ngradhu necessarily thappu illaiyE? I have to clarify that I read "intentionally adopting lower aesthetic" more as intentionally "dumbing down" or "playing it to the galleries"...

3 Idiots could be a great example- I loved that movie to the core. It conveyed it's message (quite loud and quite repeatedly as well) and it set out what it achieved to do. I haven't read the book but the way the characters were written intentionally as caricatures like the professor Virus, the nerdy dude from Pondicherry etc. were all done in a way to convey a serious topic in a jolly/clown-ish tone... Adhukkaga, Hirani-yaala "Hey Ram" maadhiri-yO, illai "Mahaandhi" maadhiriyO padam edukka mudiyuma-nu kekadheega. :lol2:

Another intentionally lowering the aesthetic is fully applicable to Thenali, IMO... This was unbeliveable given that the man's previous movie was "Hey Ram". Whan I watched "Thenali" first time in theatre, I hated the movie to the core. And I felt like an odd person out because the entire theatre were laughing and roaring throughout the movie including my wife. It was later during the revisist(s) during family re-unions etc. that I figured I damn missed the point of the movie... I completley didn't read the tne of the movie right (starting scene 1 the way Jayaram rescues a mentally disturbed Vijayakumari in a "over the top" (pun intended) fashion...

Thenali is one of my all time favourite time pass movie-nga. Revisits worthy film that doesn't "blade" me at all. SeyaramaR's penchant for comedy has nveer been explored to the hilt before. and HaasaR sollave vendham, semmaiyA lalakeerpaaru (not much with dialogues but mostly via distorted mannerisms, body lAnguEj etc.)

[jaiganes]

I don't know about Siruthai...

But on this topic, intentionally adopting a "lower" aesthetic ngradhu necessarily thappu illaiyE? I have to clarify that I read "intentionally adopting lower aesthetic" more as intentionally "dumbing down" or "playing it to the galleries"...

3 Idiots could be a great example- I loved that movie to the core. It conveyed it's message (quite loud and quite repeatedly as well) and it set out what it achieved to do. I haven't read the book but the way the characters were written intentionally as caricatures like the professor Virus, the nerdy dude from Pondicherry etc. were all done in a way to convey a serious topic in a jolly/clown-ish tone... Adhukkaga, Hirani-yaala "Hey Ram" maadhiri-yO, illai "Mahaandhi" maadhiriyO padam edukka mudiyuma-nu kekadheega. :lol2:

Another intentionally lowering the aesthetic is fully applicable to Thenali, IMO... This was unbeliveable given that the man's previous movie was "Hey Ram". Whan I watched "Thenali" first time in theatre, I hated the movie to the core. And I felt like an odd person out because the entire theatre were laughing and roaring throughout the movie including my wife. It was later during the revisist(s) during family re-unions etc. that I figured I damn missed the point of the movie... I completley didn't read the tne of the movie right (starting scene 1 the way Jayaram rescues a mentally disturbed Vijayakumari in a "over the top" (pun intended) fashion...

Thenali is one of my all time favourite time pass movie-nga. Revisits worthy film that doesn't "blade" me at all. SeyaramaR's penchant for comedy has nveer been explored to the hilt before. and HaasaR sollave vendham, semmaiyA lalakeerpaaru (not much with dialogues but mostly via distorted mannerisms, body lAnguEj etc.)
what tenali - eh?
From now your opinions on movies are "in coma" to me.

[app_engine]

From now your opinions on movies are "in coma" to me.

:rotfl:

[SoftSword]

:lol: :lollu: :lollu: :aah lollu: :lol:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Mostly as per out tamil cinema, the person who goes into coma stage will be the one who has an Million dollar info, thats the need of the hour and everybody will rush and push to know that, If you get to know that u can either earn or save a million.

Jokes apart, Jai, ungaLukku OKOK nemba pudikkum, pudikkalainnu solravanga kitta kooda, intha aangiL la paarthaa nallaarukkum, antha aangiLla paathaa superaa irukkum, left, top wide aangiL la, chOppu kalar kannaadi mattittu paarunga attagaasamaa irukkum, ippdi suggestion kuduppeeha. aanaa Tenaali ellaam ungaLai coma stage kku thaLLuthO! Olungu mariyaathaiyaa, antha commentkku ful stop vekkaama, comma pottutu, padatha paathuttu vaanga!

I liked Tenaali very much. Me too, like MC said, was speptical about it but the movie worked superb, in re-visits. This was exactly the same opinion of Cinefan too.

[Movie Cop]

Thanks Sahala.

Thenali is an unapologetic, unambitious, unpretentious movie which actually helps to exceed expectations. It even mocks at it’s own simplicity at couple of places where a) HaasaR spinning the suzhal to narrate a flashback b) HaasaR telling sOthika to get ready to sing a duet with him at a foreign location… :lol: To the people I’ve known, surprisingly, most of them see it as a funny movie (just a reality check on myself that I’m not taken over by craziness). Thankfully there is not too much of "aal maaratam's" or "word play/pun etc." that is often assoicated with Kamal/Crazy combo. The movie is very minimalistic and thrives just on the situations than through sheer wittiness.

Oru sila sample scenes:
1. The tree falling scene was downright hilarious – Jayaram’s expression, Haasar’s innocence “andha murugan thooki tharuvaan… neengalum konjam thookungO….” :lol:
2. The expression on a terribly broken/frustrated Jayaram on seeing Madanbob rushing towards Thenali (returning back to the home for the zillionth time) to ask “dei thenali andhe foreign rusk dhabba enga da…” :rotfl3:
3. Delhi Ganesh/Ramesh Khanna following Thenali throughout Kodaikanal (however lame and unrealistic it looks) – they kinda serve as folks giving running commentary of the events to add that one last laughter (more of an after thought).

Indhe maadhiri china china things neraiye sollalaam… Even that “eli” fight is surely a better watch than the standard template “dishum dishum” fight one get’s to see in these kind of movies… The only drawback to me is the couple of unwanted duets that is placed at wrong time which slows down the madness.

[P_R]

Thridiots thenali both rejeetted

Anyway thridiots is not intentionally lower - hirani template Adhu dhaan.
Was lovely in Munnabhai, blade after that

[groucho070]

Thenali and Avvai Shanmugi are examples of how remakes can be better (than Hollywood in this case).

[pushpak]

Thanks Sahala.

The only drawback to me is the couple of unwanted duets that is placed at wrong time which slows down the madness.

This was the last time me and my friends went repeatedly to theater for watching the songs :)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

The only drawback to me is the couple of unwanted duets that is placed at wrong time which slows down the madness.


Sila perukku appdiyum irukkum, but Haasar intha maathiri casual aa paNra padangaL, we shud watch it in a mentality which is neither too fast, not too lazy to follow. Avar pOkkulaye poi enjoy pannanum. For me, all songs were a treat to watch, both visually and just the songs. Rahman, oru maathiri thinusaa potruppaar, this whole album is exteremely enjoyable for me, even today.

Tenaali was a product even KSR was confident of, he is the producer! his first, and i guess, last production. The Collection kinda rubbed close to Padaiyappa, KSR built a home, after stupendous success of Padaiyappa and Tenali, so kept these films name for he house, reportedly. (KSR is the rare lucky guy who was able to give Commercial Superhits for both Kamal and rajini sequentially, with both his 1st and 2nd films, Muthu+Padaiyappa for Rajini and Avvai+Tenaali for Kamal. Actually only this 4 movies pushed him to the top!)

KSR actually prepared the knot of this story for Rajini but then Kamal took it over.

[KlamRoyA]

For me, all songs were a treat to watch, both visually and just the songs. Rahman, oru maathiri thinusaa potruppaar, this whole album is exteremely enjoyable for me, even today.

athu epdinga Rahman kalmal jikku mattum music potta ipdi pugazhringa..:roll:
For me Tenali songs r average only..
Actually ARR lost his form during those days..
His last hit was Rhythm (those days).. After 5 years, he came back wit Rock songs frm the album "Rang de Basanti"

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

athu epdinga Rahman kalmal jikku mattum music potta ipdi pugazhringa..:roll:
Actually ARR lost his form during those days..

Both are false!

[Arvind Srinivasan]

For me, all songs were a treat to watch, both visually and just the songs. Rahman, oru maathiri thinusaa potruppaar, this whole album is exteremely enjoyable for me, even today.




Songs just pass muster IMHO...Perusa pesarathukku onnum illa paatula...An album bordering on decent to good...

[KlamRoyA]

Both are false!

Ena false..

[jaiganes]

Mostly as per out tamil cinema, the person who goes into coma stage will be the one who has an Million dollar info, thats the need of the hour and everybody will rush and push to know that, If you get to know that u can either earn or save a million.

Jokes apart, Jai, ungaLukku OKOK nemba pudikkum, pudikkalainnu solravanga kitta kooda, intha aangiL la paarthaa nallaarukkum, antha aangiLla paathaa superaa irukkum, left, top wide aangiL la, chOppu kalar kannaadi mattittu paarunga attagaasamaa irukkum, ippdi suggestion kuduppeeha. aanaa Tenaali ellaam ungaLai coma stage kku thaLLuthO! Olungu mariyaathaiyaa, antha commentkku ful stop vekkaama, comma pottutu, padatha paathuttu vaanga!

I liked Tenaali very much. Me too, like MC said, was speptical about it but the movie worked superb, in re-visits. This was exactly the same opinion of Cinefan too.

OKOK is oscar material.
This time my own opinion is in "general ward" to myself.

[ajaybaskar]

Thenali songs were kinda above average stuff. As VTV said, ARR was running thro a lean patch then (2001?). Thenali,Paarthaale,Baba and Parasuram were not upto the standards of ARR. There were some odd gems in those albums too but as a whole album, they were letdowns. He was back with a bang in 'Boys'

[jaiganes]

jokes really apart - Denali is Kamal's revenge on the guilty bublik who punished his heyram.
dashavatharam is kamal's attempted revenge on producer gone wrong - the movie became a ittu.

[equanimus]

Thridiots thenali both rejeettedThat's like saying anbE sivam and thenAli are both not great films. Thenali ought to be an outright reject.

Thenali songs were kinda above average stuff. As VTV said, ARR was running thro a lean patch then (2001?). Thenali,Paarthaale,Baba and Parasuram were not upto the standards of ARR. There were some odd gems in those albums too but as a whole album, they were letdowns. He was back with a bang in 'Boys'For Rahman's standards, one has to say it's below average. It was not a lean patch per se in retrospect. thenAli was late 2000 but he also did Rhythm around the same time; Baba, pArththAlE etc. were in 2001 but he also did kannaththil the same year. But more importantly, he was doing some great stuff in Hindi these years, but I agree that it was odd to see Rahman churn out such indifferent stuff (especially stuff like Star, alli arjunA which seemed like he didn't even do them) for the first time.

[equanimus]

But pOrkkaLam engE is of course a great song. I don't care much for the rest of the songs even if swAsamE is kinda pleasant.

[Arvind Srinivasan]

For Rahman's standards, one has to say it's below average. It was not a lean patch per se in retrospect. thenAli was late 2000 but he also did Rhythm around the same time; Baba, pArththAlE etc. were in 2001 but he also did kannaththil the same year. But more importantly, he was doing some great stuff in Hindi these years, but I agree that it was odd to see Rahman churn out such indifferent stuff (especially stuff like Star, alli arjunA which seemed like he didn't even do them) for the first time.



At that point, it looked as if his hindi projects were taking precedence...The tamil albums save a few were grossly underwhelming ....

[Cinemarasigan]

Thridiots thenali both rejeetted

Anyway thridiots is not intentionally lower - hirani template Adhu dhaan.
Was lovely in Munnabhai, blade after that

ejjamble kudukkavE illayE...

[P_R]

All the savuthu remakes in Hindi.
amoorla appadi oNNum illai.

But you see the difference in 'feel' when watching the an SKV vs. a Dabang.

In 'Kamal - nam kaalaththu naayagan' there is an old interview by Equa's friend Gnani, who asks Kamal "aren't you - the intellectual Kamal Hassan - winking at the audience, when you are making SKV". And Kamal rejects it saying he is very sincere about those films and if he gave the impression to the audience that he was 'winking' then he would have failed as an actor.

In fact you can see that in the 'lesser' movies he makes. He is very earnest about it. There is little callous about them. Sure, there are odd moments - which are so ordinary that it is odd to see Kamal in the middle of that. But he himself exudes a sincerity and is kinda well-integrated.

[equanimus]

All the savuthu remakes in Hindi.
amoorla appadi oNNum illai. Yeah, this is a recent phenomenon as such. I don't think there are good examples in Tamil cinema.
I hate Dabbang because it wants to kinda wink at the audience (look, I am bigger than the aesthetics of this movie, I am intentionally pandering, even borderline spoofing) and at the same time get the mileage out of the format. Unselected.This is of course an accurate charge on Dabangg. I didn't hate it, but didn't think it was anything more than passable. That said, there was something to the story of the two brothers (and the film also seemed sincere in these parts) in an old-school way (with some unusual elements like a twice-married mother), which I suspect didn't come through in the final film for whatever reasons. But I remember feeling that Abhinav Kashyap (who himself is a brother, of Anurag Kashyap one of the enfant terribles of Hindi cinema) was on to something here.
Equa's friend GnaniHey, I don't hate him or anything. Not even that familiar with his writings. I just find some of his Tamil films-reated writings that are meant to be serious high-minded stuff, pretty superficial. He's also self-righteous when he talks about filmmakers which makes me wonder if he accesses art in a way I can even understand!

[Bala (Karthik)]

Thenali songs were kinda above average stuff. As VTV said, ARR was running thro a lean patch then (2001?). Thenali,Paarthaale,Baba and Parasuram were not upto the standards of ARR. There were some odd gems in those albums too but as a whole album, they were letdowns. He was back with a bang in 'Boys'
Disagree on Baba - Sakthi Kodu, Baba Kichu Kichutha, the Dasettan song, enna koracha? In fact, i like these songs more than some of Rahman's other successful songs for Rajni/Shankar

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

"மனிதன் உணர்ந்துகொள்ள இது மனிதக்காதல் அல்ல" என்பவன் எந்த ஆஸ்பத்திரியில் இருந்து வர்ரான் ந்னு பாக்கணும்.
- குணா பற்றின கேள்வியின் போது.

கே:- காதல் போனா இன்னொரு காதல் ன்னு சொல்ரீங்களே இது சரியா
பதில்:- அப்படி சொல்ரவன் யாருன்னு பாருங்க. அவன் வட்டிக்கு விட்டு வசூல் செய்யுறவன். ஒண்ணு இல்லேன்னா இன்னொண்ணுக்கு போயிட்டே இருப்பான்

:clap: to staying honest to the caricatures in so called lessser movies like Vasool Raja MBBS!

[groucho070]

Disagree on Baba - Sakthi Kodu, Baba Kichu Kichutha, the Dasettan song, enna koracha? In fact, i like these songs more than some of Rahman's other successful songs for Rajni/Shankar+1, and you mean Jeyachandran songs?

[Bala (Karthik)]

+1, and you mean Jeyachandran songs?
Oh is it? :oops:

[Bala (Karthik)]

Actually Baba padame enakku oru soft corner, lighta. Especially Rajini's appearance, characterization (if you discount the obvious superhero distractions). Oru madhiri free-a senjirukkara madhiri thonum. To me, it's > Baasha, Padayappa etc...

[P_R]

Equa, summA oru idhukku sonnEn.

You were on the money when you said Gnani doesn't have any opinion about mainstream cinema in the first place. And that was reflected in his expectation in the question to Kamal back in the 80s, couched in a "பெரிய intellectual 'ம்க்றீர், இப்படியாபட்ட படமெல்லாம் பண்றீரே...சும்மா தானே?" expectation (one of the more interesting interviews in the book though).

சிறுபத்திரிக்கை உலகம் அப்படி தான்.You kinda understand why they say what they say.
In fact there is an old interview where K.Balachander responds to interviewers Balakumaran-Subramanya Raju, saying: "நீங்க எல்லாம் ஆளுக்கு அம்பது ரூபா போட்டு மாசாமாசம் பத்திரிக்கை கொண்டு வந்துடலாம், சினிமா அப்படி இல்லை." Not a new POV. But He said that without condescension or with a feeling of artistic inadequacy (i.e. the complusion to pander). The tone of the answer was be matter of fact.

And the old kaNaiyAzhi reviews go straight to Satyajit Ray, Adoor etc. ஸென்ஸிபிள்' ன்ற வார்த்தை அடிக்கடி தட்டுப்படும் :lol2:

Kamal's views were always clearly anchored to 'popular aesthetic'. Something that is often missed.

[P_R]

Actually Baba padame enakku oru soft corner, lighta. Especially Rajini's appearance, characterization (if you discount the obvious superhero distractions). Oru madhiri free-a senjirukkara madhiri thonum. .

Yeah but the film had an overarching tackiness, amateurish making.

[groucho070]

Actually Baba padame enakku oru soft corner, lighta. Especially Rajini's appearance, characterization (if you discount the obvious superhero distractions). Oru madhiri free-a senjirukkara madhiri thonum. To me, it's > Baasha, Padayappa etc...Remba nAlA ithathAn koovikittirunthEn, I got kambeni, yay!

[equanimus]

Disagree on Baba - Sakthi Kodu, Baba Kichu Kichutha, the Dasettan song, enna koracha? In fact, i like these songs more than some of Rahman's other successful songs for Rajni/Shankar
Yes, I've to clarify that I also didn't mean to classify Baba as an indifferent work (though I don't think it's top rack material for ARR). I quite like some of the songs here, but even besides that, I don't think the songs sound indifferent like "injerungo," "mUnRezhuththu kettavArththai" (leave aside the rehashed songs).

[equanimus]

the Dasettan songAnd Jayachandran, no?

[SoftSword]

Thenali and Avvai Shanmugi are examples of how remakes can be better (than Hollywood in this case).

from now ur opinion on international films were dead to someone alive and kicking...

[SoftSword]

But pOrkkaLam engE is of course a great song. I don't care much for the rest of the songs even if swAsamE is kinda pleasant.

solla vandhaen...
watta beauty... my favorite..

[ajithfederer]

+1. I like Rajni-gounder in this film. Their pairing is too good. Nalla fantasy subject-ae kottai vittutaanga.

Actually Baba padame enakku oru soft corner, lighta. Especially Rajini's appearance, characterization (if you discount the obvious superhero distractions). Oru madhiri free-a senjirukkara madhiri thonum.

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