The Golden Era of Dr.IR and Dr.SPB

[genesis]

The reason for giving the background above is to emphasize how, in a way, the rise of IR helped SPB to get into that formidable position in TFM.


1) It is totally unacceptable to attribute Balu's success in TFM to Raja's rise. Even if a magic called Raja had never happened in TFM, SPB would have have been as successful as he is today. Already Chitra's success has been completely attributed to IR by many here, now there is attempt to bring SPB in to that fold.
2) It is true when IR entered, it was almost end of TMS. So I would not say IR was the reason for TMS's end in TFM. But PS was still going great guns and for some reason IR never utilized her properly. As fas as I know, when Janaki was number uno in TFM, PS continued to be #1 in TeFM for a long time after IR's arrival.

SPB has been a singer of choice from KVM to GVP. Do not try to attribute his success to Raja in any way.

[app_engine]

1) Even if a magic called Raja had never happened in TFM, SPB would have have been as successful as he is today.

genesis,
You're talking hypothesis, like அத்தைக்கு மீசை மொளச்சா .

OTOH, I'm talking about what has actually happened in history. Also, you're trying to attribute things to me that were neither told nor meant (that I've tried to equate SPB with KSC etc).

Your aim seems to be discrediting IR (TMS-ஐ ஒழிச்சார், சுசீலாவை ஓரங்கட்டினார் etc) while mine is trying to see what +ve contributions he made to TFM.

So, we're not going to meet :-)

Let historical facts such as the following stand:

a) Raja became a powerful force in TFM for many years

b) IR's rise, in a way, helped SPB get into a formidable position (this is what I've told and I didn't say IR was 100% responsible for SPB's success or something like that. That SPB enjoyed IR's patronage / friendship is a fact he himself will acknowledge)

c) KSC was intro'd in TFM by Raja and enjoyed considerable success under his baton

This is my understanding based on whatever history I know of.

If you have other theories, well, this is a free country :-)

[app_engine]

Also, nobody can be somebody simply by promotion i.e. without stuff.

In other words, SPB's stuff is the main reason for his huge success! (This is applicable to even Yuvan though he got his initial chances because of his initial).

All that is being done here is acknowledging the role others had in getting such stuff manifest to the world.

[Plum]

app, missed noticing this thread. Good job :clap:

I think the consensus(after the dhool and SOTD discussions) was that Paalotti valarththa kiLi was the first SPB song for IR. "nAn pEsa vandhaen" also being symbolic of SPB coming into IR's fold.
The second film of IR is generally considered to be the one where Kannadasan wrote out his welcome letter to IR - "Raja vaa" (i.e.) paalootti vaLarththa kiLi

[Plum]

App, KS Chitra herself never tires of repeating that IR played the biggest role in shaping her career. And it is not lip-service like cine personalities usually do - going to each vizhaa and claim that the vizhaa nayagan/nayagi were their greatest influence(see also: R Parthiban, specialist in pAratturais. See also: Vaali) or the greatest. This is genuine and she keeps talking about the influence Raja had on her in sources where Raja doesnt even have a chance of noticing. Like random Malayalam channel interviews or Malayalam publications.

And when her daughter was born(RIP, terribly cruel fate), she took her to *exactly* two people for blessings. One was Saibaba(RIP). I dont remember who the other person was - can you remind me?

That should speak enough about who Chitra's major benefactor in her career was. What other people talk - be they nemesis, paranthesis or dennis the menace - about that doesnt matter.

[app_engine]

This is genuine and she keeps talking about the influence Raja had on her in sources where Raja doesnt even have a chance of noticing. Like random Malayalam channel interviews or Malayalam publications.


Exactly!

Add to this the fact that praising IR today is not going to help anyone commercially. Proof that such praise comes out of genuine appreciation. Definitely not flattery!
(I'm also reminded of the youtube of Manivannan's emotional praise for IR on a TV show).

[app_engine]

ok, one small concession (again, based on whatever history I know and not hypothesis) :

SJ was a much bigger beneficiery of the IR phenomenon, i.e. in the TFM context, than SPB :-)

[app_engine]

Well, it looks like there were 3 gems in the IR-SPB combo in Raja's debut year in TFM (1976). According to internet discographies, Raja composed for 4 TF movies in 1976 - annakkiLi, bhadhrakALi, palootti vaLarththa kiLi & uRavAdum nenjam - and I've posted about the three well-known SPB songs from these. (nAn pEsa vanthEn, nenachchathellAn nadakkappORa, oru nAL unnOdu oru nAL). So I need to move on to 1977 now.

It's interesting to note that two initial patti-thotti hits of IR -annakkiLi & bhathrakALi- didn't have SPB's name on the disk :wink: The male singers were TMS for annakkiLi & KJY , SeerkAzhi Govindarajan & MV for bhathrakALi.

From the beginning, there seems to be a mental bias for IR to promote SPB as a "mEl thattu" singer.

[app_engine]

#4 விழியிலே மலர்ந்தது உயிரிலே கலந்தது
பெண்ணென்னும் பொன்னழகு
அடடா எங்கெங்கும் உன்னழகு
அடடா எங்கெங்கும் உன்னழகு (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0427'&lang=en)

(புவனா ஒரு கேள்விக்குறி, 1977)

Perhaps the first TFM solo by SPB in IR's music. Please correct me if another song preceded it.

By the time this song was getting popular, my cousin has already become an IR-addict and kept talking about him a lot. (16 vayathinile was one movie that he perhaps talked the most about, mimicked the dialog etc all the time around that period).

Me too started reading about this phenomenon called IR here and there and started paying attention to the name of the MD when they announce songs.

Interestingly, it was a couple of years before this year that I resolved not to watch movies for a while. That time-off lasted for 5 years (with just one exception of watching dharam-veer in Madurai during a scout camporee under peer pressure - not comfortable sitting in that "tent" alone. Other than that, no movies from 8th to 12th standard)! However, the interest in TFM only multiplied many folds during this time period :-)

In any case, my cousin was bubbling with a lot of enthu for vizhiyilE, describing the 40 violin thingy for the last interlude etc :-) Ofcourse some schoolmates -who weren't IR lovers- immediately told back "MSV used 80 for engE nimmadhi":lol: Thus started a long, never-ending story of arguing in favor of favourite MD!

Personal experience apart, what a song! Even the Panju Arunachalam lyric is a beauty! (There had been movies with names uyirile kalanthadhu, vizhiyile malarndhadhu etc). The chords, lead guitar, percussion arrangement, flute and ofcourse the strings were all something that I've never experienced before and this song is heard often even now while driving!

One can comfortably say that SPB enjoyed himself with this number!

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

What a superb song, 'vizhiyile malarndhadhu'. This is one song which came to all states I think. I used to hear this even in Hyderabad. The Madras AIR used to air it often and we used to hear it on short wave radio. Sunday 4:30 to 5:30pm used to be dedicated to new songs. It was here that I noticed that slowly the number of MSV songs and TMS songs were becoming less and Raja and SPB songs were becoming more.

[V_S]

Thorougly enjoying your posts App :thumbsup: Please continue.

[genesis]

Your aim seems to be discrediting IR while mine is trying to see what +ve contributions he made to TFM.

b) IR's rise, in a way, helped SPB get into a formidable position (this is what I've told and I didn't say IR was 100% responsible for SPB's success or something like that. That SPB enjoyed IR's patronage / friendship is a fact he himself will acknowledge)



While there are many folks around here to credit and over-credit IR, we need a auditor around here, to keep the accounts good.

b) Before IR came in SPB had sung for all big MDs, big stars and big directors of that time. It is very easy to compile at least 50 all times (about 6 years?!!) hits of SPB that came before IR's entry in to TFM. SPB was formidable even before IR came in. As you rightly pointed out SJ was the only big benefactor of IR's rise at PS's expense.

[app_engine]

SPB of 1969-1976 can be compared to any male singer of today - singing for all big MDs, big stars, big directors but who among the current boys can be thought of having a "formidable" presence :lol: Any YSR/ GVP fan can list easily 50 songs for current singers too :wink:

** Please take honest statistics of SPB numbers for MGR & Sivaji between SPB's entry and 1976. (One has to really search around like a treasure hunt among the tons of TMS / KJY songs)
** Kamal was mostly co-starring those days and even his songs didn't have SPB as an "automatic first choice", possibly KJY scored over him. List Kamal hits - few as such - between his arangEtRam & 1977 and you can see for yourself the % of SPB.
** MSV was busy composing for MGR-Sivaji with TMS as his mainstay. He used SPB a lot only AFTER IR's entry
** KVM was hardly a force in TFM after mid-70s, still look at his TFM numbers for SPB's % till 1976. His sole MGR movie - pallANdu vAzhga- had KJY monopoly
** Rajinikanth's first film advertised as a solo hero had to have TMS & no SPB (bhairavi), IR was the MD but had less clout at that time
** Smaller MD's - Vijayabhaskar / V Kumar kinds & second level heroes - Sivakumar / Vijayakumar kinds only used SPB more.

Formidable presence? Hardly!

[app_engine]

SPB no doubt was sought after for some "niche" kind of songs during pre-IR days, like "those with English words" (on a hottu summeru morning), "club dance" (nAn oru mEdaippAdagan), "sexy" (idhazhE idhazhE / eththanai azhagu kottikkidakkudhu).

Yes, in some niche stuff, he did have strong presence :wink:

[genesis]

SPB no doubt was sought after for some "niche" kind of songs during pre-IR days, like "those with English words" (on a hottu summeru morning), "club dance" (nAn oru mEdaippAdagan), "sexy" (idhazhE idhazhE / eththanai azhagu kottikkidakkudhu).

Yes, in some niche stuff, he did have strong presence :wink:

ஆயிரம் நிலவே வா
தென் சிந்துதே வானம்
கம்பன் ஏமாந்தான்
இயற்கை என்னும் இளைய கன்னி
பாடும் போது நான் தென்றல் காற்று
நந்தா நீ என் நிலா நிலா
மார்கழி பனியில்
திருமகள் தேடி வந்தாள்
பொட்டு வைத்த முகமோ
சம்சாரம் என்பது வீணை
ஜூனியர் ஜூனியர்
கடவுள் அமைத்து வைத்த மேடை

You call this niche?!!

"on a hottu summeru morning" - what a choice!!

You remember all good stuff when it is associated with IR. If it is not, you remember all bad stuff. Selective Amnesia?

[KV]

A_E, interesting stuff, please carry on! :clap: (Doesn't matter if your perspective is biased; this is after all the IR section! Genesis will anyway plug in and counter-attack when the 'need' rises!)

[Sureshs65]

genesis,

I am sure everyone has all the songs you listed of SPB in their favourite list, no doubt about that. While that is true, you must also check out how many songs TMS sang in the same era (or same years(s) ) when these songs happened to Balu and later compare how many songs TMS sang when Balu was in his ascendency with Raja. That is probably a better way of comparison. Given that by end 70s, Raja had started dominating TFM and he had started using Balu for majority of his songs meant two things: that the TMS era was over and second Balu's rise as the top most TFM singer did coincide with Raja's rise. This is not to say that SPB would not have risen without Raja (Telugu FM will easily disprove it) but whatever be our likes / dislikes the fact remains that SPB and Raja rose at the same time and Raja did contribute a lot to SPB being the leading singer of those times.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

ahaaa naa irukum pothu intha thread oru adi kooda nagarala , 4 naala holiday la irunthu vanthu pathaa 2 pages vara posting nadanthiruku :shock:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

In Telugu it is a bit more complicated. To be honest, I would say even today the shadow of Ghantasala looms large and SPB has not been able to erase that as he was able to come out of TMS's shadow in Tamil film music. .

Suresh
I am not sure about this, as far as I know SPB is on Par with Ghantasala amongst the Telugu audience, and as far as the north Indians singers SPB is respected as much as Rafi and Kishore.

BTW, I did not find Ghantasala and Rafi as versatile as SPB , and IMHO Kishore kumar is the 'Only singer' who comes after SPB in versatility!

[Sureshs65]

Paramashivam,

I don't want to give you links where the Ghantasala vs SPB fights happens at a level which is even higher than that of Raja vs Rahman and spoil your mood :) Just believe me when I say that even today there are a huge number of folks who cannot accept SPB as a replacement of Ghantasala and who think that only person who can sing better than Ghantasala is GOD himself (No, I am not referring to Raja but to the religious GOD :) )

SPB being on par with Rafi and Kishore (as per NI audience) can only be told by a staunch SPB fan. The truth is very different I would say.

Anyway SPB is someone whose voice and songs I love as well. At the same time I am not interested in any comparisons. All I can say is that whatever I told earlier I told from a very objective POV.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Around that time SPB had some throat problems(blisters due to smoking and incessant singing in 3+languages) too and had to cut down on his singing - a reason why "track" singers

yep, this was the Critical error in Tamil Music Industry :banghead:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App anna pls continue your write ups :clap:

BTW, I revisited 'kadhal Oviyum' aftera a long time, what a Fabulous Project by IR+SPB and BR. Amazing songs, 'Poovil vandu koodum kandu ' 'sangeetha jathi mullai' 'amma azhagE' . I was extremley :shock: to see deepan Chakaravarthi bagging the national award for ' Poojaikaga vaazhum poovai'. This song can be sung by an average singer, it is absolutely insane! Sangeetha Jathi mulai deserved the National Award! :( :banghead:

[app_engine]

Sureshji,
Thanks for reflecting exactly my thoughts related to the great songs that genesis posted :-)

genesis, yes SPB had great numbers and also niche numbers.
As an analogy, it was like Y Sharma / S Patil kind of presence during pre-IR days. During IR era, SPB had Kapil / Sachin like presence :-)

[app_engine]

#5 ராஜா என்பார் மந்திரி என்பார் ராஜ்ஜியம் இல்லை ஆள
ஒரு ராணியும் இல்லை வாழ
(புவனா ஒரு கேள்விக்குறி, 1977) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNKHIW46yvg&feature=related)

The same movie had this sweet SPB-SJ duet, albeit a pathos song. 2 great numbers featuring Rajinikanth on screen, for his first movie with SP Muthuraman. I haven't watched this movie but as per reviews seen on the web, it was a Maharishi story and the director wanted to cast actors against prior "image". (The fair, sweet Sivakumar with negative shades v/s dark, ruffian Rajinikanth as a good man). It was a BO success it seems. Regardless, both these songs were big hits :-)

I'm not a big fan of SJ's duet-pathos in general (her solo pathos were immensely enjoyable). However, this song is very likeable thanks mainly to SPB and then to a free-flowing tune (especially the saraNam part is sweet).

While both the 1976 movies had just SPB as the male singer, this movie also had a song for PJ (poonthendRalE nalla nEram kAlam sErum, pazhagiya palan uruvAgum (http://www.dhool.com/sotd2/633.html), nice write-up by dhool Saravanan). Possibly because of two artists and SPB got to sing for Rajini:-)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App anna

Povana oru kealvi kuri was indeed a good movie, you can watch it many times for Rajni's acting skills , apart from Raaja enbar song, there is another gem by SPB called 'VizhiyilE malarnthu uyirilE ' such romantic songs, these were gems !

[app_engine]

there is another gem by SPB called 'VizhiyilE malarnthu uyirilE '
vizhiyilE was the number #4 (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB&p=678096&viewfull=1#post678096) that I posted yesterday :-)

[raj_musing]

Paramashivam,

ISPB being on par with Rafi and Kishore (as per NI audience) can only be told by a staunch SPB fan. The truth is very different I would say.

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I have even heard from many people that NI had a strong lobby support for Kishore,(during the 70's) even when KJY managed to create a huge impact there in the mid 70's.There was a news ((not sure if its a rumour!)) that he was ousted and not allowed to grow as they considered him as a threat to many of the established and emerging singers of those times..

[app_engine]

The rAjA enbAr song gets featured in the RK movie "athisaya piRavi" when Mr Yaman tries to find out an "equivalent-replacement-physical-body" for the "wrongly-killed-body-burnt" Rajinikanth, to send him back to earth.
(Cho is an assistant to Yaman and warns Rajini that this "rAjA-enbAr" physical body is no-good as the fellow is dying as an alcoholic )

[KV]

A_E, I'm eagerly waiting for your writeup (historical anecdotes, etc) on one of my favorites from the early IR+SPB combo - Oru veedu iru ullam (from Avar Enakke Sontham (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.php?ALBID=ALBIRR00066&lang=en), 1977).
One, I have no idea about this movie, the actors, the video, etc.
Two, I somehow see a strong smililarity with some SPB+MSV+KB songs from around the same time period like Angum Ingum (Avargal) and Kamban EmAndhan (Manmada leelai?). MSV's influence on IR or case of reverse inspiration?

[PARAMASHIVAN]

SPB being on par with Rafi and Kishore (as per NI audience) can only be told by a staunch SPB fan. The truth is very different I would say.


Suresh anneh

The above was told by many fellow musical personalities (S. Janaki , Naushad Ali,Laxmikant-Pyarelal and ram laxman). SPB was the iconic singer for Salman khan from late 80's till mid 90's :)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

The rAjA enbAr song gets featured in the RK movie "athisaya piRavi" when Mr Yaman tries to find out an "equivalent-replacement-physical-body" for the "wrongly-killed-body-burnt" Rajinikanth, to send him back to earth.
(Cho is an assistant to Yaman and warns Rajini that this "rAjA-enbAr" physical body is no-good as the fellow is dying as an alcoholic )

App anna ,

this the most dumbest Rajni movie I have ever seen :banghead:

[app_engine]

A_E, I'm eagerly waiting for your writeup (historical anecdotes, etc) on one of my favorites from the early IR+SPB combo - Oru veedu iru ullam

:oops:

I heard the song for the first time after reading your post :-) I wasn't familiar prior.

Actually, when looking around IR's discography / songs etc for my next song, only two more numbers came up for 1977. o mAmA from peN jenman (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.php?ALBID=ALBIRR00485&lang=en) (SPB/SJ) which I've never heard before and so decided not to write about. The only song that was radio-popular from peN jenman was 'chellappiLLai saravaNan'. I used to associate MSV with that number before coming to TFM-DF.

The other one is oru kAdhal nayakan from sAyndhAdammA sAyndhAdu (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.php?ALBID=ALBIRR00566&lang=en) which was well-known to me from radio days and will be #6 for today. This was another case of not-associating with IR during radio days but found out later.

So, the AES number is another one I'm coming to know as a IR-SPB song from 1977. However, due to my non-association-prior, I cannot write about it :-(

Nevertheless, AES itself was quite a popular album during my school days.

My first experience with 'surAngani' was in a hospital function for leprosy awareness where students from many schools provided entertainment on stage. (I attended that to get a prize for katturaippOtti).

Two stylishly dressed town girls (one as male with moush, both with bell-bottom pants) danced for the song which was played from disk. I instantly loved the song and the whole crowd was delirious as well. I believe MV appears on screen as a stage performer in that movie for this song.

dEvan thiruchchabai malargaLE was a rage too with its very novel structure / sounds. Then there was the PS smoothie 'thEnil Adum rOjA' that had quite decent air time.

The hero was Jaishankar and the movie was discussed in the saradha_sn's Jaishankar thread in the TF classics section. (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?7969-Makkal-Kalaignar-JAISHANKAR/page28)

However, the SPB song was never in my radar and yes, it sounds like a typical 70's MSV number.

[app_engine]

The Jaishankar thread in TF Classics has this blog link for AES (http://awardakodukkaranga.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/%e0%ae%85%e0%ae%b5%e0%ae%b0%e0%af%8d-%e0%ae%8e%e0%ae%a9%e0%ae%95%e0%af%8d%e0%ae%95%e0%a f%87-%e0%ae%9a%e0%af%8a%e0%ae%a8%e0%af%8d%e0%ae%a4%e0%a e%ae%e0%af%8d/).

Don't miss this as it has a total package - story, pictures, youtube links to songs . I now recall the funny TMS version of kabhi-kabhi :lol:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App anna

As your next IR + SPB combo, please write about another gem (Bharathi kannama ) , SPB's honey like voice and VJ's scintillating voice. Unfortunately this song was underrated against 'orE naal unnai naan nilavil' from the same movie. I equally love both :)

[app_engine]

ok, my chronology-driven-IR-SPB-pick for the day:

#6 ஒரு காதல் தேவதை
இரு கண்கள் பூமழை
இவள் ராஜ வம்சமோ
ரதி தேவி அம்சமோ
(சாய்ந்தாடம்மா சாய்ந்தாடு, 1977) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3156'&lang=en)

Very sweet number that instantly puts one in a carefree summer evening of 1977 !

This song has such a strong 'evening feel' written all over it and I'm reminded of a typical setting of playing ball-badminton from 4 PM-5.30 or so in the school and come home, wash and relaxedly listen to SLBC for the neengaL kEttavi. Though they used to announce lyricist & MD along with the requesters' names, I didn't pay much attention to MD during those initial Raja days. So, didn't associate IR for this song when it arrived. Listening to this today, one can appreciate that it has all the signature IR elements of 70's!

Ofcourse I'm not a big fan of SPB-PS combo for duets despite the fact that there are a ton of great numbers that I love despite this dislike. They sound like - to repeat what I posted earlier in the forum - akkA thambi :oops:

Googling shows that this movie was a Sivakumar-Sridevi starrer with Devaraj-Mohan (directors of annakkiLi). Otherwise, no first hand knowledge of this movie. One may want to also check out this MV-SJ number nenjukkuL poo manjam (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3155'&lang=en) from this movie which has a jazzy prelude and possibly defined a template for some later-day IR songs :wink:

[app_engine]

Bharathi kannama... 'orE naal unnai naan nilavil' ...from the same movie. I equally love both :)

Param,
They're from different movies.

Bharathi kaNNammA is from MSV classic, ninaiththAlE inikkum. (not an IR song and hence cannot feature in this thread)

ore nAL unai nAn is from IR classic, iLamai oonjalAdukiRadhu, will definitely appear in its chronological order.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

ok, my chronology-driven-IR-SPB-pick for the day:

#6 ஒரு காதல் தேவதை
இரு கண்கள் பூமழை
இவள் ராஜ வம்சமோ
ரதி தேவி அம்சமோ
(சாய்ந்தடம்மா சாய்ந்தாடு, 1977) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3156'&lang=en)



wow thanks for bringing back my memories, a wonderful song indeed, like you said, though I am a big fan of PS, esp her 50's 60's song, but when ever she sings along with SPB , her voice sounds matured compared to SPB 's ever lasting youth full voice :oops:

There is another song , which begins along the same lines 'Oru Kadhal devathi boomyil vanthal' , the film was a Karthik+Revathy starrer (quite a nice movie) . The composition sounded so much like IR, I was :shock: to learn the MD for this song was Shankar Ganesh.

On a digression ending, I think Shankar Ganesh Followed by TR.Rajender provided some excellent melodies after IR in the 80's , followed by Vidyasagar from 90's till now :)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Another Classic, was the first ever song by SPB for IR ? :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-lk8HJDByg&feature=player_detailpage

[genesis]

There are 2 songs in IR-SPB combo from same movie called Rosappoo Ravikkaikri (1978). IR decided to give these 2 rustic folk songs to SPB. Man... what a job he did.

1) Uchchi Vagunththeduthu - Who is the lyricits for this song? I just love it. I can not remember whether SPB has sung any other song like this (Folk, Sad) in Tamil. Most of these kind of songs in the later years went to IR himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2arnMngHr8

2) Maaman Oru Naa Malliappoo (ofcourse SJ rocks too). Is there any other "A" joke song in Tamil like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SWm9NKMOkY

On one side Raja was making all those beautiful mealodies, on the other side he delivers these "unpolished" rustic folk numbers. The golden age of TFM!!

[app_engine]

Maaman Oru Naa Malliappoo (ofcourse SJ rocks too).

It had SP Shailaja and not SJ :-)

[genesis]

It had SP Shailaja and not SJ :-)

Great job by SPS. Sometime SPS really surprises... IMO, she was as good as SJ in this song.

[app_engine]

Looks like I'll have to pick from the colossal 1978 starting tomorrow.

While closing the 1977 account, few interesting observations :

1. IR didn't get a chance to compose for the biggies in his debut year 1976, only the "Kumars", and he used SPB as a voice for both SK & VK

2. IR was succesful in opening his account for three of the four biggies of TF - Sivaji (Deepam) / Kamal (16V) / Rajini (BOK) in his second year, 1977.

3. IR never got a chance to compose for one biggie, MGR! (though there was a project started, it didn't progress as MGR became the CM).

4. Now, the most relevant point to this thread - Rajini was the first biggie to have SPB's voice under IR's baton among the four :wink:

[KV]

A_E, thanks for the links and all the tidbits! To add to your observations, and possibly suppporting it, MSV's usage of SPB for KB movies seems to have gone up after IR's entry.
And another song in support of my notion of MSV being inspired by IR, is Uravugal Thodarkadhai (1978). While initially it seemed to me that IR took a leaf out of MSV's book for this composition, now, looking back at the discography, it feels like MSV could've adapted this style from IR (again, just my opinion, I could stand corrected).

[groucho070]

App absolutely fantastic posts. Brings back my own memories of enjoying IR/SPB stuff those days.
1. MGR quit acting after becoming CM in 1977. Though he threatened to return to films after the loss in parliament elections, he couldn't do it as the people were so scared of his return and they voted him back to power in the assembly elections :wink: :lol:

2. Sivaji continued to patronise TMS, even neglecting IR for a couple of years. Possibly with an eye to promoting Prabhu, he went back to IR in veLLai rOjA and MV started singing for him, alas the lone supporter of TMS too got tired of him.There were quite a number of films NT did, no? Deepam, Thyagam, Pattakatti Bairavan, Kavarimaan, etc. Or do you mean his house production? Then, possible he was using MSV until then.

[groucho070]

And another song in support of my notion of MSV being inspired by IR, is Uravugal Thodarkadhai (1978). While initially it seemed to me that IR took a leaf out of MSV's book for this composition, now, looking back at the discography, it feels like MSV could've adapted this style from IR (again, just my opinion, I could stand corrected).Puriyila. You mean UT sounded like MSV of that time, and that it was because it is indeed IR style, and MSV of that time had picked up IR's style? I don't feel that way though...though the piano thing is MSV's forte (Enakkoru kaathali irukindraal...)

[Plum]

I think uravugaL thodargadhai is Vonly IR fossible in entire Indian cinema history.

[groucho070]

Plum, agreed. But IR = guitar-na, MSV = piano. Russia-vukku poyee russian-kitteye piano-laa Tchaikovsky vashichi kamicharame.

[tvsankar]

app,
Thanks a lot to your contribution.......... unga ishta padiyae sollunga.. ana adhukulae,
2 more songs request to u

film - poovarasan

1. Rasathi rasathi

2. Rasa magan - wat a great interludes............ Guitar is the Hero of the song. pl listen......

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.php?ALBID=ALBIRR00512&lang=en

[KV]

Grouch, there seemed to be a style that evolved in the late 70s in TFM (salient features being piano, acoustic guitars, drums, SPB); a sort of soft rock ballad style. Both, MSV and IR seemed to have used this around this time period (IR in smaller numbers like in UT, oru veedu iru ullam and MSV in popular KB film songs like Manmada leelai, Avargal, etc). I was just wondering if IR introduced this style which then MSV picked up and gave some lovely songs. Enakkoru kaadhali is more sangathi-laden, vonly MSV-possible bruga-beast! The type of songs that I'm referring to are much lighter on sangathis (breezy'mbangale).

[app_engine]

There were quite a number of films NT did, no? Deepam, Thyagam, Pattakatti Bairavan, Kavarimaan, etc. Or do you mean his house production? Then, possible he was using MSV until then.

groucho,
After rishimoolam (50'lum Asai varum, nEramidhu nEramidhu), there were no NT movies for IR until veLLai rOjA happened. This was attributed to the strain between TMS & IR. That's what I meant by "neglecting IR for a couple of years".

Deepam / Thyagam / PKB / Vetrikku oruvan / nallathoru kudumbam / nAn vAzha vaippEn - all these happened prior to rishi moolam when TMS-IR had a normal working relationship. Until veLLai rOjA, TMS was more important than IR to Sivaji , in my reading.

[app_engine]

#7 தாலாட்டு, பிள்ளை ஒன்று தாலாட்டு
மணித்தொட்டிலில் உன்னை மெத்தையிட்டு
சிறு மாங்கனிக்கன்னம் முத்தமிட்டு
(அச்சாணி, 1978 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0106'&lang=en)

thAlAttu -the obviously most "realistic" genre of film songs! Possibly the first lullaby in SPB-IR combo. This had the voice of PS as well, my most preferred voice for ammA.

(This and stage program / music class / religious ritual kind of songs are the only ones on movies that people should "sing" (move lips) IMO. Everything else should be montage only IMSO, unless there's something special on screen, like mudhal mariyAdhai ones or kuzhaloodhum kaNNanukku kind. The lip-the-lines-n-dance-n-run-around kind of "love" songs are the most difficult to watch. Unfortunately, such ones continue to be filmed in TF under the pretext that majoriy of movie goers still enjoy them / help them relax etc. The good part for me is that most movies are watched on DVD's nowadays and all such songs can be conveniently skipped.)

achchANi song is sweet and one'll have to admit that there're not many "IR-unique-70s" stuff in the song, such as adi-dhadi percussion or in general, his unique style of orchestration. It's a simple song, no lengthy preludes or complicated interludes but what makes it click are the melody, softness, sweet singing by SPB-SJ and lines that echo what typical parents in TN dream for their children (will he become a doctor , earn good name etc).

Interestingly, though this was a regular listen during radio days, I didn't connect it with the movie that also had 'mAtha un kOvilil' which I knew definitely as an IR song. (By this time, started noticing the MD and the SJ song had strong elements of IR-ism while thAlAttu didn't have much). The portion that goes like "யாழிசையிலும் ஏழிசையிலும் இல்லை இந்த மோகனம்" could have pleased anyone who grew up with KVM-MSV melodies and they wouldn't have associated such lullaby with a nattuppuRa ALu who had a taste for 'western' too :wink:

Till date I don't know anything about the actors / story / on-screen stuff for this song. And don't feel excited to google for that :-)

[baroque]

before this composition,
தாலாட்டு for தலைவன் from பத்ரகாளி from ஸ்ரீ.இளையராஜா is
கண்ணன் ஒரு கை குழந்தை..... சுஷீலா with ஸ்ரீ.யேசுதாஸ் .
Vinatha.

[app_engine]

before this composition,
தாலாட்டு for தலைவன் from பத்ரகாளி from ஸ்ரீ.இளையராஜா is
கண்ணன் ஒரு கை குழந்தை..... சுஷீலா with ஸ்ரீ.யேசுதாஸ் .
Vinatha.

That's correct (the song even ends with the ஆராரிரோ) but the achchAni number is possibly the first in SPB-IR combo :-)

[baroque]

yes, app_eng.

[rajkumarc]

Achchaani had Muthuraman and Devika in the lead role I believe. I haven't seen the movie though.

BTW, super Posts app.. really enjoying reading the history/timeline perspective of the songs.

[V_S]

Thanks App for wonderful insights about TMS, IR and NT. 'Thaalaattu' song is just amazing. Very nice pick. Very simple, yet very soothing melody!

[groucho070]

KV, okay now you got me thinking also. Worth analysing, I say.

App, thanks for the explanation. Please don't mind me, I am enjoying your posts. Continue...

[app_engine]

Though I don't recall much about my pre-school days, I do know that there were no buses to my village then - as it was five KM away from the nearest highway. The gravel road got the town bus service only during my primary school days and I remember the #5 bus by TVS (the old TVS logo with a circle around the three letters).

I remember the day when the same bus came with PRC logo (Pandiyan Roadways Corporation) and the aluminium painting on top of the TVS didn't completely hide it as one can still see it. Later it had the colorful fish symbol :-) After a few years, when the road was getting "tarred", me & my bro walked miles to see the process, got our new shirts spoilt and received "semaththiyA" from our dad.

Thus started my love / hate relationship with roads, buses and bus journeys :-)

I loved especially the Ashok Leyland buses - the way the engine roars as the driver accelerated and changed gears was always music to me (disliked TATA buses, they didn't "sound" nice, there may be a connection to my preferences in percussion sounds).

During school days, why even college days, considerable time was spent on talking about buses - their "face", seats, sounds, speed, corporations, sound systems, video systems etc and often about specific individual trips.

During early 70's, whenever I went to town and knew that I had x amount of time to wait for our town bus in the bus stand, one thrilling thing was to go the "route bus" area and watch those shiny Pallavan Express buses (with glass windows) :-) It was actually disappointing to see Pallavan city buses without such glass widows during my first trip to Madras. I've progressively seen those express buses change the name to Thiruvalluvar, Rajeev Gandhi, Jayalalitha and finally TNSTC. Still, the Pallavan Express with Lion logo is still in indelible memory.

Though I don't share similar sentiments with the Pallavan city buses that ran in Chennai in 70's, I love this song that happened in such a bus :

#8 என் கண்மணி உன் காதலி
(சிட்டுக்குருவி, 1978) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0547'&lang=en)

Sweet song, familiar to all who visit the IR section of the hub, akkA-thambi :wink:, interesting Vaali "counter-point-lyric" etc.

[baroque]

wonderful posting & the pick.

இந்த பாட்டு எல்லாம், pappaya facial பாட்டு, app _eng.

நான் அப்படியே absorb the romance in my man 's smooth voice like a blotting paper .

I can still hear my friend 's voice ...' 9 :10 ஆயிடுது , அழகா இருக்கேடி, schoolkku நேரம் ஆச்சு...' while I was putting my பொட்டு, changing my தோடு , clip etc ...

Backside/front side tea kadai yellam, shri.IR songs pottu thalliduvaanga.

I trained my friend right, அவன் பொறுமையான hubby & dad now.

Even after 40+ going... now & then I take few mins to change my jewelry, accessories while playing Bala's sumptuous voice, my time.
I need it.
Now and then , my my laid-back moments with பாலா, helps me get things done.
பாலா, நீங்க மட்டும் இல்லன்னா , நான் என்ன ஆவேன்?
mmmmmmmmmm..... Smile


It is not counterpoint.
என் கண்மணி (முடியும் போது ) உன் காதலி (முடியும் போது ) இளம் மாங்கனி
அப்படி போறது melody.

counterpoint is concurrent melodies.(keeravaani.......,metti oli kaatrodu.... vocal humming, pon ooviyam kandenammaa......)

vinatha.

[app_engine]

It is not counterpoint.


Not musically but lyrically, according to some experts :-)

(I'm just a reproducer of that thought)

The "concurrent" lines :
என் கண்மணி இள மாங்கனி சிரிக்கின்றதேன் on one track
& உன் காதலி உனைப்பார்த்ததும் சிரிக்கின்றதேன் on another track
it seems, as explained by some...

When it arrived, my most fav parts were the chords (the thing that characterized Raja music for me initally), the "bus sounds" (pAm pAm) & the lines :

நல்லாச் சொன்னேள் போங்கோ

இந்தாம்மா கருவாட்டுக்கூட முன்னால போ

தேனாம்பேட்ட சூப்பர் மார்க்கெட் எறங்கு

:lol: (supposedly the voice of late R D Baskar, IR's elder brother)

[baroque]

The "concurrent" lines :
என் கண்மணி இள மாங்கனி சிரிக்கின்றதேன் on one track
& உன் காதலி உனைப்பார்த்ததும் சிரிக்கின்றதேன் on another track
it seems, as explained by some...

app_eng

concurrent - அப்படின்னா happening at the same time
தானே சொல்லும் போது , he is telling as என் கண்மணி , அதையே... his மனசு or பிம்பம் telling as உன் காதலி .
possessive adjectives - my, your
the above two sentences mean the same but not happening at the same டைம்.
concurrent என்று அர்த்தமில்லை.
vinatha.

[app_engine]

concurrent - அப்படின்னா happening at the same time


You're right, that's why I placed the word within quotes :-) It's lyrics "interspersed" :-)

[jaiganes]

#7 தாலாட்டு, பிள்ளை ஒன்று தாலாட்டு
மணித்தொட்டிலில் உன்னை மெத்தையிட்டு
சிறு மாங்கனிக்கன்னம் முத்தமிட்டு
(அச்சாணி, 1978 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0106'&lang=en)

thAlAttu -the obviously most "realistic" genre of film songs! Possibly the first lullaby in SPB-IR combo. This had the voice of PS as well, my most preferred voice for ammA.

(This and stage program / music class / religious ritual kind of songs are the only ones on movies that people should "sing" (move lips) IMO. Everything else should be montage only IMSO, unless there's something special on screen, like mudhal mariyAdhai ones or kuzhaloodhum kaNNanukku kind. The lip-the-lines-n-dance-n-run-around kind of "love" songs are the most difficult to watch. Unfortunately, such ones continue to be filmed in TF under the pretext that majoriy of movie goers still enjoy them / help them relax etc. The good part for me is that most movies are watched on DVD's nowadays and all such songs can be conveniently skipped.)

achchANi song is sweet and one'll have to admit that there're not many "IR-unique-70s" stuff in the song, such as adi-dhadi percussion or in general, his unique style of orchestration. It's a simple song, no lengthy preludes or complicated interludes but what makes it click are the melody, softness, sweet singing by SPB-SJ and lines that echo what typical parents in TN dream for their children (will he become a doctor , earn good name etc).

Interestingly, though this was a regular listen during radio days, I didn't connect it with the movie that also had 'mAtha un kOvilil' which I knew definitely as an IR song. (By this time, started noticing the MD and the SJ song had strong elements of IR-ism while thAlAttu didn't have much). The portion that goes like "யாழிசையிலும் ஏழிசையிலும் இல்லை இந்த மோகனம்" could have pleased anyone who grew up with KVM-MSV melodies and they wouldn't have associated such lullaby with a nattuppuRa ALu who had a taste for 'western' too :wink:

Till date I don't know anything about the actors / story / on-screen stuff for this song. And don't feel excited to google for that :-)
Awesome song. yet another song, I thought is done my MSV . The interludes are so minimalist and the shift in the charanam towards the end is so MSV in style.
Only the brief jazz passage in the second interlude says "IR here". Otherwise a sweet MSV mode song. too short for my comfort. could have been longer..

[app_engine]

#9 காவேரிக்கரை ஓரத்திலே
கன்னிப்பொண்ணு வரும் நேரத்துல
...
பொன்னுல பொன்னுல பண்ணுற மூக்குத்தி
மின்னுது மின்னுது ஒத்தைக்கல் மூக்குத்தி
போக்கிரிப் பொண்ணுக்கு பங்குனி மாசம் கல்யாணம், பாட்டுக்கச்சேரி
பொய்க்காலு குருதையில ஊர்கோலம்
(சிட்டுக்குருவி,1978) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0548'&lang=en)

Quite a jubilant SPB song, back to his earlier kind of "immature" voice and the whole setting makes it a racy one!

The typical ridicule to students who speak in total country style when they arrive to our school was 'என்ன மருதைக்கு போயி குருத வாங்குவியா'. This usage got captured in this song effortlessly. This song had much more 'kOlAmbi' speaker time, along with 'ada dada mAmarakkiLiyE' of this moive, than the polished 'en kaNmani'.

Experts can clarify whether the prelude has shenoy or nAdhaswaram.

This album was perhaps among the last ones before compact cassette players hit TN. It was the vinyl record era, mostly with 45 RPM records that can hold two songs on each side and most films can be contained in one disk and some in two. It wasn't till much later that TFM could enjoy the 33 RPM LP records which were regular for HFM in 70's.

Also, around this time period there came out the HMV fiesta record player that had a built-in power amp. With the speaker on the cover, no external amp / external speakers were necessary to play in tea stalls. I'll get to the album that was the max beneficiery in my next song :-)

BTW, #9 was for yesterday, Sat 4/30, so another song is due for Sun 5/1 :wink:

[app_engine]

#10 என்னடி மீனாச்சி, சொன்னது என்னாச்சி?
(இளமை ஊஞ்சலாடுகிறது, 1978) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1097'&lang=en)

Possibly the first IR-SPB-Kamal combo song which was gifted to TN by the music-savvy director Sridhar. While all the songs from the movie were huge hits, the other songs had only "limited" audience.

For e.g. 'thaNNee karuththiruchchu', though loved by everyone with its never-before-style for TFM, one could not hear the song on radio when appA was home. Same goes for 'kiNNaththil thEn vadiththu'. 'nee kEttAl nAn mAttEn enRA' was not in my fav books when arrived (I kinda liked the "teacherammA" song years later, though not to the extent of playing on loop). The classy one, that has continued to be popular till now (and my next # in this listing), wasn't as much a favourite for public address systems those days as meenAchchi.

Like I mentioned many times in the hub, IO was the first surefire biggie for tea stalls & buses in TFM! Though compact cassette players were'nt widely available and not in every home, buses started having those imported audio systems which was a big business differentiator. Tea stalls had the HMV fiesta (believe me, I had seen so many of them those days in Madurai dist which was my primary domain and was possibly reflective of what happened elsewhere in TN).

Thus started a long line of KH-SPB-IR numbers!

[V_S]

I listen to 'Ponnula Ponnula' very frequently. Nice to see your pick in Chittukuruvi. Super information about the vinyl record era. :thumbsup:
In ilamai Oonjalaadugirathu, my favorite is 'Ore Naal'. Beautiful flute in the prelude followed guitar and then that beautiful piano?? run, wow! The interludes are still hearing as I type this. I think this song was also very polular like 'Ennadi Meenatchi' as I still vaguely remember that AIR used to air this song regularly those days. My whole family (including my grand parents :smile:) loved this song that time.

[Meerakrishna]

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[Plum]

ponnula ponnula is quite a riotous celebration of a song. I'll tell you something - sub-consciously this song evokes a memory of being in a thiruvizhA with speakers booming and all the colours of the festival around you. The catch is I have never been to such a thiruvizhaa.

So, going by app's description, either I have some ESP of a previous birth - or that is how much Raja can paint a landscape and milieu and transport it to your heart. I think Jai covered this concept few months back in PFC.

Ofcourse, you can always question the authenticity of the thiruvizhaa evoked in m y mind but then that is why I never shared this here until I saw app's real-life descriptions that startlingly match with my mind-picture,

[app_engine]

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Quicky checked out the page on SPB-SJ (http://www.sjanaki.net/tamil/with-s-p-balasubramanyam), nice selections :-)

One small nit pick, the song 'pAdu nilAvE' is from the movie 'udhaya geetham' (and not 'thEn kavidhai' as this page says, that phrase is actually the second line of this song :-) )

[app_engine]

#11 ஒரே நாள் உனை நான் நிலாவில் பார்த்தது
உலாவும் உன் இளமை தான் ஊஞ்சலாடுது
(இளமை ஊஞ்சலாடுகிறது, 1978) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1095'&lang=en)

As mentioned in my post on ennadi meenAchchi, this is the most classy song in IO, IMO. The song with most longevity, people enjoy this till date. A sweet violin / guitar / VJ / SPB concoction that had Kamal / Sripriya and a "coffee bar" on screen :-) True to that image, this song was kind of a pioneer in popularising custom-tea-stall-music even in the smallest hamlets of TN. (Big upgrade from playing from radio, there should have been a spurt in the sale of vinyl records by the time IO was a rage).

On a personal front, by the time IO was making waves, our circle was already in the habit of dissecting the interludes, commenting on light music orchestra performances as to how they don't match up to the originals etc. Especially sharp was my cousin's observation as he pointed out the 'chin-chA' that goes along with lead guitar in the second interlude :lol: Later, IR did the same thing with the first interlude of 'AnandhaththEn kAtRu thAlAttudhe' (guitar-jAlrA combo), caught by him again and he had instant admiration by all in the relative circle :-)

The common saying that IR kicked out HFM from snobbies of TN, IMO, happened around the IO time. IIRC, buses were still playing 'hum kisi se kum naheen' stuff but IO and other IR songs were fast garnering the major share of the audio time progressively!

When the third interlude ends (after the sweet violins, terrific humming and the lead guitar), if one does not get transported to a moony night - well, that person possibly has some bad personal memories embedded...

[V_S]

ponnula ponnula is quite a riotous celebration of a song. I'll tell you something - sub-consciously this song evokes a memory of being in a thiruvizhA with speakers booming and all the colours of the festival around you. The catch is I have never been to such a thiruvizhaa.

So, going by app's description, either I have some ESP of a previous birth - or that is how much Raja can paint a landscape and milieu and transport it to your heart. I think Jai covered this concept few months back in PFC.

Ofcourse, you can always question the authenticity of the thiruvizhaa evoked in m y mind but then that is why I never shared this here until I saw app's real-life descriptions that startlingly match with my mind-picture,
:thumbsup: That is Ilaiyaraaja!

[V_S]

App,Wonderful write-up on 'Ore Naal'. :clap: This one song can stand any length of time without getting old at all. And this film itself on the whole was a revolution and relevation and I believe it has taken the whole TN by storm. Any time I listen to this song (infact all of this film's songs), I can't forget to go back to that time. Still remembering we mimicking the bell-bottom pants, the step-cutting hairstyle (covering little more than half of our ears, can't believe how long we used to spend our time before the mirrors :lol:), and that fine moustache (eventhough I was not old enough to bear a moustache :lol: saw my elder friends doing that) just dripping around the lips, just like Kamal. Heavenly days!

[app_engine]

Thank you V_S, it's impossible for me to listen to IR's 70's songs (or for that matter, the 80's ones) and not have some kind of nostalgia :-) Issue of formative years, I think :-)

[baroque]

Beautiful, App_eng.
thanks for your time & passion.
late 70s... some of us are forever fond of early IR.
It is hard for me to remember what I had for breakfast or lunch or dinner just a previous day, but nostalgia about my Ilayaraja sangeethams & the places we grew up, all those adolescent years I spent are in my memory forever. It is soothing for my mind and manasu santhosham.

thanks for S.P.B- Janu paadalgal link.
amazing compositions. I will enjoy at the end of the day.

vinatha.

[Meerakrishna]

Quicky checked out the page on SPB-SJ (http://www.sjanaki.net/tamil/with-s-p-balasubramanyam), nice selections :-)

One small nit pick, the song 'pAdu nilAvE' is from the movie 'udhaya geetham' (and not 'thEn kavidhai' as this page says, that phrase is actually the second line of this song :-) )

Correction Done. Thanks.

[venkkiram]

எங்கிருந்தோ என்னை அழைத்ததென்ன உந்தன் கானம்தானா (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HJ3VErudds&feature=related)!
என் மனதில் அன்பை விதைத்ததென்ன உந்தன் மோகம்தானா!

பாலு-ஜானகி குரல்களில் ஒரு ஐஸ்கிரீம் சுவைப் பாடல். அழகான பாடலில் திருஷ்டி போல எனக்குப் படுவது அந்த "உய்யலா உய்யாலூலா" கோரஸ் தான். அதற்கு பதிலாக ஏதேனும் வார்த்தைகளை நிரப்பியிருக்கலாம்.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App anna , Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

Nathiyil aadum poovanaum - Kadhal Oviyum. Wow what a rendition by Balu sir, All of SPB sir's Romantic songs gives extreme pleasure to the soul, I am not sure how to explain it, and here are few of the soul stirring songs from SPB!

1) MayilE MayilE un thogai engE - SPB + PS , is it an IR compostion ? :roll:
2) MazhaiyE MazhiyE ilamai - SPB + SJ ( I think the actors were Partap and suhasini)
3) Nathiyil aadum poovanam - SPB + SJ kadhal oviyum
4) Radha Radha nee engE - Meendum Kokila
5) orE naal unnai naan - SPB + VJ
6) ilamai enum poongater - SPB ( worst picturisation :banghead: )
7) Sundari kannal oru sethi - SPB+SJ (thalapathy)
8) Vaa vaa vanch ilamanE - SPB+SJ (Guru shisyan)
9) Thogai ilamayil aadi varuguthu - SPB (Payanangal mudivathillai)
10) Kadhalin deepm ondru - SPB (thambiku entha orru)

tired now :) more later!

[app_engine]

#12 மேகமே, தூதாக வா, அழகின் ஆராதனை
(கண்ணன் ஒரு கைக்குழந்தை , 1978 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1505'&lang=en)

This "radio-only-hit" song from an obscure movie should be quite an interesting one for any who look into IR/SPB archives. My listen this morning took me straight to the valve radio days when even switching on a tube light with an aluminium choke could create intolerable noise in the radio reception, spoiling the listening pleasure. (In our home's case, it was even worse as the power supply at one point of time was shared with a school building and there could be any number of noise sources).

This is a "hurried" kind of song. 3 stanzas in a 3 minute song (which means very limited size interludes, hardly any prelude, no postlude)! That is also reflected in the beat progression for the pallavi while the saraNam has a typical IR tablA.

Nevertheless, the song is sweet - SPB/PS reflecting the joyful mood of the tune and singing with energy. I'm wondering whether the song got recorded in 1976/77 as the name of the movie seems to try and leverage the badhrakALi hit. The structure of the song also suggests somewhat earlier time period (i.e. than that of the more polished ones that we see in 1978 Chittukkuruvi, IO etc).

[app_engine]

I have two more songs in 1978 (will be posting them tomorrow / day after) and both are SPB + chorus kinds and not duets.

So, until 1978, i.e. during the first 3 years of IR's TFM existence, SPB had equal number of duets with SJ & PS (5 each).

Of these, all the PS ones were at least radio hits while SJ had 4 (the other SJ number from peN jenmam I heard only last week, when looking around for this thread).

The sole VJ number was a huge hit.

So, at least from the SPB-IR combo POV, there was no "sidelining of PS to support SJ" from IR :wink:.

If anything, it was "sidelining VJ" !

[baroque]

megame thoodhaga vaa.......is one of my favorite IR's pahadi-ragam, app-eng.

Our life got better and better as we passed our elementary, middle school years ..
yeah... Alaigal oivadhillai, Naan paadum padal, Salangai oli, kairasikkaran more more....

good old ilayaraaja days
Vinatha.

[groucho070]

எங்கிருந்தோ என்னை அழைத்ததென்ன உந்தன் கானம்தானா (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HJ3VErudds&feature=related)!
என் மனதில் அன்பை விதைத்ததென்ன உந்தன் மோகம்தானா!

பாலு-ஜானகி குரல்களில் ஒரு ஐஸ்கிரீம் சுவைப் பாடல். அழகான பாடலில் திருஷ்டி போல எனக்குப் படுவது அந்த "உய்யலா உய்யாலூலா" கோரஸ் தான். அதற்கு பதிலாக ஏதேனும் வார்த்தைகளை நிரப்பியிருக்கலாம்.Yeah, uyaalaa part was annoying. Also the heavy drum machine during interval breaks the breeziness of the song.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Which film is this song from ? 'Chinamani KuyiliyE .... MayilE engE un jodi' ... I think it is a VK movie :roll:

[app_engine]

Which film is this song from ? 'Chinamani KuyiliyE .... MayilE engE un jodi' ... I think it is a VK movie :roll:

amman kOyil kizhakkAlE (yes, VK / Radha starrer directed by R Sundarrajan)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

:ty: app anneh

[app_engine]

#13 ராமன் ஆண்டாலும் ராவணன் ஆண்டாலும்
எனக்கொரு கவலை இல்லே
(முள்ளும் மலரும், 1978) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2097'&lang=en)

This song needs no intro :-) One of the early "tribal" numbers of IR that happened in great company - SPB / Rajinkanth / Mahendran!

I believe MM was a mutually beneficial colloboration between Mahendran & IR with more benefits to IR :wink: One can see a distinct jump in IR's class when objectively looking at his prior movies v/s the score for this movie from an OST perspective.

As a sample, one can appreciate the significant contrast between senthAzham poovil and this song - signs of great maturity of a composer. I think IR's time arrived with this movie as a composer who'll be the best fit for story telling on celluloid :-)

I remember posting about this song's connection to our school's participation in a science exhibition (contest between schools) in "town". There was a sensor based item on our display in which something when warmed up (or touched or light interrupted - don't exactly remember, there were a few on display then) will power up the cassette player for a few seconds.

The prelude humming (thiraippadal says L R Anjali) was in an endless loop cassette (I think, or may be a spool) that got played 100's of times during the exhibition. Any time I hear the humming, I'm instantly thrown into that school building (St.Mary's, Dindigul) :-)

[groucho070]

slight digression, there was an excellent post by Jai on the song with regards to Rajini's performance. If Yaar antha nilavu was triumph of one layer over the other when NT did better than TMS who did better than MSV, I'd say the same here. That is the strong foundation laid by IR/SPB.

[venkkiram]

if yaar antha nilavu was triumph of one layer over the other when nt did better than tms who did better than msv, i'd say the same here. That is the strong foundation laid by ir/spb.எழுதின கவியரசை எங்கே சேர்ப்பது? Imo, இசை-வரிகள்-குரல்-நடிப்பு இந்த வரிசையில் "யார் அந்த நிலவு.." கவர்ந்தது.

[groucho070]

Absolutely.
MSV->Kavingar->TMS->NT
IR->Kavingar->SPB->RK.

Again, built on strong foundation. Wait, Raman Aandalum is Kannadhasan right?

[Divine22]

I happen to watch Ullasa Paravaigal recently, and the most famous number from tht movie, Germaniyin Senthen malare, although its an absolute delight listening to the song, but the visualization is so dreadful. with Kamal & Rathi running around the naked statues in Paris or Germany, I'm not sure, konjam nerudalaana kaatchigal avai. but they do make a cute couple though,
SPB & SJ singing the song, as though they themselves are taking a stroll down the park... lovely number ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQx70vAtrm8

[Plum]

"I believe MM was a mutually beneficial colloboration between Mahendran & IR with more benefits to IR "
app, wink kUda thEvaii illai. This is fact. He was doing Bhadrakali ThuNai iruppAl meenakshi and family drama stuff before.(although none of you raise one word against songs from these movies. None, I mean. I can be quite cruel if you dare.)

Mahendran was one of the earliest guys to shape the IR I love most - the one that touches corners of my heart that I didnt knew existed, and can ostentatiously tell a story through his notes. I dont care if BGM is considered integral part of moviemaking or not - to me, IR's craft is one reason I'd like to watch a movie. Highest respect to Mahendran.
(incidentally, one of the earliest HCIRFs in this forum was a malaysian called Mahendran and he used to remorselessy post inane praise of IR and irate attacks at other MDs, particularly Rahman. I dont know what this tidbit has to do with my previous paragraph - I have just got into this senile, rambling mode where snippets howsoever unrelated to the subject matter keep cropping up and I cannot resist the temptation of throwing them in :().

[PARAMASHIVAN]

SPB & SJ singing the song, as though they themselves are taking a stroll down the park... lovely number ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQx70vAtrm8

Yes , these to legends dont sing they live as the characters of the song! This is one of my Fav SPB song , thanks for remainding me :)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

slight digression, there was an excellent post by Jai on the song with regards to Rajini's performance. If Yaar antha nilavu was triumph of one layer over the other when NT did better than TMS who did better than MSV, I'd say the same here. That is the strong foundation laid by IR/SPB.
Rakesh anna

Neenga entha paata pathi pesureenga :roll:

[groucho070]

Raman andalum ravanan andaalum enakkoru kavalaillai......

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Raman andalum ravanan andaalum enakkoru kavalaillai......

Excellent song, Though Senthazham poovil was more popular than Raamn andalum song, I loved this song for SPB charisma and RK style of dancing!
SPB sing it as raamE andalum, instead of Raman andalum to suit RK's style! This is SPB for you :notworthy:

[groucho070]

That's the thing. He had imagined what kinda attakaasam Rajini is going to do with this song, but Rajini ran away with it. the part, "nee keeta keetatha kuduppen, ketkura varatta kelunggadaa..." and the snarling look on Rajini's face...what a match, what a match!!!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

One of the Evergreen song of Balu gaaru :clap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bjq3XnRxWQ&feature=player_detailpage

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Hi All

I have heard an awesome Romantic song by SPB + KSC , it is something along these lines
'Azhagiya pon maanin poomalai thaan vizhuthathu en thOzhil thaan'. I couldn't find it on google, may be because my words are wrong, If some one knows this song, please give the details/ Links.

I think the MD could be IR / SG or even S.A.Rajkumar.

Many thanks

[app_engine]

#14 சொர்க்கம் மதுவிலே, சொக்கும் அழகிலே
(சட்டம் என் கையில், 1978 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3252'&lang=en)

This is our last SPB/IR number from 1978. Jubiliant song with wind instruments and guitar freaking out. (Search and watch the video at youtube if you like the "step-cutting-bell-bottom-wild-Kamal-and-girls"). Bala's niche area - club songs - and he excels effortlessly and well supported by girl voices :wink:

So, 3 years and 14 hits in this combo - 3 in '76, 3 in '77 & 8 in '78. (Going forward, we'll see that this combo possibly doing this many hits in less than a quarter or so in later years).

Interesting to note that none of the SPB-IR numbers went unnoticed in 1978 (as in the case of two numbers in 1977 that I had to skip).

As we've noticed earlier, the music of IR kept getting a lot more polished during 1978, possibly due to the influence of collaboration with Sridhar / Mahendran who both - IMO - had ears for sophisticated music. Ofcourse IR had it inside him otherwise they couldn't have extracted (சட்டியில் இருந்தது , இன்னும் இருக்கிறது எடுப்பதற்கு). While BR inspired IR to hit out classics in his most powerful domain (folk with WCM embedded), these new associations brought out other areas - tribal, ICM rAgA based melodies, popular western format etc.

Some say Karthik Raja is a lot more talented than YSR. I think his main problem is lack of such "akappaikaL". Or, to use a better word, "theekkuchchikaL" :-(

[tvsankar]

app,
nice write up.. pl keep it up....... tfmpage ku vandha podhu partha app aga ipo vandhu irukeenga...
Padum vanam padi.. indha paatuku wait panren..........

[app_engine]

நன்றி உஷாக்கா :-)

'பாடும் வானம்பாடி' எல்லாம் எப்போ வரும்னு தெரியலை.

1979-லேயே 23 பாட்டு இருக்கு, மே-28 வரைக்கும் அதுவே போகும்...

[tvsankar]

நன்றி உஷாக்கா :-)

'பாடும் வானம்பாடி' எல்லாம் எப்போ வரும்னு தெரியலை.

1979-லேயே 23 பாட்டு இருக்கு, மே-28 வரைக்கும் அதுவே போகும்...

Enjoy app.. wait panren................

[priya32]

Hi All

I have heard an awesome Romantic song by SPB + KSC , it is something along these lines
'Azhagiya pon maanin poomalai thaan vizhuthathu en thOzhil thaan'. I couldn't find it on google, may be because my words are wrong, If some one knows this song, please give the details/ Links.

I think the MD could be IR / SG or even S.A.Rajkumar.

Many thanks

PM,

http://www.dhool.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7788&p=20050

Is that song you are talking about?

[groucho070]

Sorgam mathuvile

The screams were annoying then and annoying now. All the bleating "yahoo yahoo" and the blood curdling, "eeeeaaaarghhh..." Yabbaa...

Otherwise, there is a sweet melody in the charanam. Few years ago, in one of the singing competition a guy sang this song and suddenly it struck me that it's not an easy song to sing, and that it's actually more than a club song, an emotional song, the part, "kuddikiren, anaikkiren, ninaithatha marakiireen..." the "let go" sound of his voice at the end there. Awesome!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

PM,

http://www.dhool.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7788&p=20050

Is that song you are talking about?

wow Amazing, I have been searching for this for years now! It was on one the Audio Tape, my Parents bought from SL !

Many thanks :)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

That's the thing. He had imagined what kinda attakaasam Rajini is going to do with this song, but Rajini ran away with it. the part, "nee keeta keetatha kuduppen, ketkura varatta kelunggadaa..." and the snarling look on Rajini's face...what a match, what a match!!!

That is Super Star for you :notworthy:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Sorgam mathuvile

The screams were annoying then and annoying now. All the bleating "yahoo yahoo" and the blood curdling, "eeeeaaaarghhh..." Yabbaa...

:lol: Rakesh anna, I quite liked that bit, 1/4 adicha apadi thaan paaduvanga :lol2:



, "kuddikiren, anaikkiren, ninaithatha marakiireen..." the "let go" sound of his voice at the end there. Awesome!
That is the GREATEST SPB for you ! :clap:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

"Balasubrahmanyam's association with Ilaiyaraaja began in the late 1970s when the latter made his cinematic debut. Balasubrahmanyam began to record more songs in Tamil especially for Ilaiyaraaja. The Ilaiyaraaja-SPB-S. Janaki trio was considered to be highly successful in the Tamil film industry from the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s. The trio went on to work in films based on classical music like Saagara Sangamam (1983), for which both Ilaiayaraaja and SPB won National Film Awards, Swathi Muthyam (1986) and Rudraveena (1988)"

[PARAMASHIVAN]

" Prominence in South: 1970sDespite being a Telugu, Balasubrahamanyam's Tamil pronounciation and diction was considered to be more perfect than his contemporaries as offers began to thrive. In Tamil, he mainly worked for composers like K. V. Mahadevan, M. S. Viswanathan, Shankar Ganesh, but his combination with V. Kumar was remarkable. He is known for matching his voice to almost every actor in Tamil ranging from M. G. Ramachandran to the new generation actors. He is perhaps best suited for the voice of Kamal Haasan. Like a conjuror pulling out all and sundry from the air around, he brought in an innovation in every number - be it his classy improvisations or his mimicking skills for "Kadavul Amaithu Vaitha Maedai" from Aval Oru Thodar Kathai (1974), which had him croak like a frog and trumpet like an elephant, he has a class of his own style of singing.

He received his first National Film Award for Best Male Playback Singer in 1980 for the Shankarabharanam, a film directed by K. Vishwanath. In 1976 , he recorded up to 23 songs, including 15 duets with P. Susheela in a single day. For Kannada composer Upendra Kumar, Blasubrahmanyam recorded 16 songs in just 6 hours. Again for Ram Laxman, he recorded six songs in 4 hours in Mumbai. Between three recording theatres in Mumbai, he sang 17 songs in a day for Anand-Milind.[18]
"

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Guys

There was a film called 'Sadurangam' ( RK and Sripriya, I think :roll: ), it had a wonderfull song called 'Madanorchanvam rathiyoodhan' by SPB + VJ was the MD of this film the 70's Famous Melody Composer V.Kumar? :shock: or was it MSV ?

[PARAMASHIVAN]

The song was 'thEn sinthuthE vaanam' by SPB+SJ was also composed by V.Kumar :shock: :shock: :shock: All these time, I was thinking it was IR :shock:

And another from the same movie, 'Unnidum mayangukirEn' by KJY !

[app_engine]

Param,
'thEn sindhudhE vAnam' - the song is from a movie 'ponnukku thanga manasu' and the MD was G K Venkatesh with Ilayaraja as his assistant. So, IR had some supportive role for that song (like, say, playing guitar or may be making arrangements).

'thEn sindhudhE vAnam' is also the name of a movie that came later with V Kumar as composer. It had the piano beauty 'unnidam mayangukiREn' by KJY.

Many get confused with these two facts related to 'thEn sindhudhE vAnam' :-)

[app_engine]

Yes, sadhurangam was by V Kumar. It had the song 'madhanORchavam', a replica of a Hindi hit song :wink:

[V_S]

Thanks App for 'Sorgam Madhuvile'. You statistics is amazing! :thumbsup: One of my all time favorite of IR and SPB. :notworthy: No one other than SPB can sing this song. Vibrant energy in the song. Every song in this movie (Aazha kadalil, Ore Idam, Kada Thengaayo) is stunning. I remember I watching this movie atleast 3 times especially for the songs, Kamal and that english girl. :-D

PS: Since this song is mainly about singing quality, I am reminded of this. I happened to watch Super singer 3 on Vijay TV (Bharati Raja round). One brilliant singer (Sai Charan) was singing 'Chotta chotta nanaiyuthu Tajmahal', which was originally sung by Srinivas. Then Srinivas was requested to sing that song. I can't believe he can't sing his own song in the same scale (he himself said, I don't have that range now. He had to bring down the scale) and was struggling like anything. Now SPB is around 64 or so and still I certainly believe he can sing that song with amazing ease. And still we are hearing 'Ayyayo' kind of gems (from Aadukalam). Even KJY for that matter only recently we are seeing some strains (still at 70 he is able to sing for Pazhassi and Nandhalala). But Vijay Yesudas can't sing his father's song (when KJY would have sung those songs in his 50's or 60's) at his young age. Unni is already struggling now. There are many such examples. Very sad to hear the current singing scenario.:(

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Param,
'thEn sindhudhE vAnam' - the song is from a movie 'ponnukku thanga manasu' and the MD was G K Venkatesh with Ilayaraja as his assistant. So, IR had some supportive role for that song (like, say, playing guitar or may be making arrangements).

'thEn sindhudhE vAnam' is also the name of a movie that came later with V Kumar as composer. It had the piano beauty 'unnidam mayangukiREn' by KJY.

Many get confused with these two facts related to 'thEn sindhudhE vAnam' :-)

thanks for the clarification app anneh :)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Yes, sadhurangam was by V Kumar. It had the song 'madhanORchavam', a replica of a Hindi hit song :wink:

Thought So :)

[app_engine]

Thank you V_S, most of the stats are effect of googling the net apart from past tfmpage discussions. Ofcourse, we should be thankful for other websites like thiraippadal, dhool & rakkamma whom I refer to refresh the memory. There's also discography in wikipedia which can be useful to fill some gaps.

Post 1980, I was following IR's output closely for a few years. Prior to that, initially it was love for those songs and progressively the connect with the MD.

And I'm ever thankful for my "time-off-from-movie-watching", which helped building the bond with TFM solely through audio. Had I watched those horrors that killed some great songs of IR, such a bond wouldn't have been possible :wink:

[app_engine]

#15 கண்மணியே காதல் என்பது கற்பனையோ காவியமோ கண் வரைந்த ஓவியமோ
(ஆறிலிருந்து அறுபது வரை, 1979) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0067'&lang=en)

What a year for the SPB-IR combo!

It included songs for Sivaji. And a song for Bharathiraja. And sweeties for I V Sasi.

While I don't see any SPB-IR song for Kamal (well, MSV had his magnum opus ninaiththAlE inikkum where KH-SPB combo soared high), there were a few evergreen numbers for Rajinikanth. One of them is this, that takes the first slot for the year simply due to the movie's name (alphabetically ahead, AA).

I don't remember which came first - this one or vAn mEghangaLE of pudhiya vArppukaL - both are of the same year and had that mELam-nAdhaswaran sound for marriage in the interludes, which was quite interesting as it broke into songs that had otherwise different "feel". (IR had it later for poththi vachcha malliga mottu too).

SJ excels in this song with her exactly matching performance with SPB (well, scoring over him in the first interlude with her classic humming). I believe 1979 was the decisive year when this pair became #1 for me, with this song and PKB, later to come :-)

[Plum]

1. Madhanorchavam - visu wrote the movie. He later remade it himself as thirumathi oru vegumathi (I think). SV Sekar played Rajini's role :). And faramu, that was Pramila not Sripriya
2. Original of the song is maana ho tum. Surprise, surprise, it's Bappi Lahiri
3. The mimicry in kadavuL amaithu vaitha mEdai was done by Sadan, a MsV troupe regular.

[groucho070]

One clarification on the technique behind Kanmaniyee Kathal enbadhu.

Did they do cut paste job, because it's really tough to do breathing part "...karpanaiyoo kaviyamoo kanvaraintha oviyamoo (supposed breathing part) ettanai ettanai....?

[app_engine]

One clarification on the technique behind Kanmaniyee Kathal enbadhu.

Did they do cut paste job, because it's really tough to do breathing part "...karpanaiyoo kaviyamoo kanvaraintha oviyamoo (supposed breathing part) ettanai ettanai....?

Me too always wondered the same way as the portion "eththanai eththanai" is a little "different sounding" (kind of discontinuity) from the preceding part.

In any case, there was superimposition of two versions of the same singer (different octaves I think or may be just different levels) and there was some play with the available tech in Madras at that point of time :-)

[app_engine]

#16 சின்னப்புறாவொன்று வண்ணக்கனாவினில்
(அன்பே சங்கீதா, 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0205'&lang=en)

The year when we started hearing a lot of S P Shailaja stuff. She has done humming in this song (possibly a reminder of the yesteryear V-R songs where LRE used to do some haunting humming).

SPB simply excels in this emotional song. He has good company - the sweet piano prelude and some guitar / strings stuffed stunning interludes.

A regular song in SLBC evening nEyar viruppams, this song too reminds me of a pleasant summer evening vacation day in the grand parents' home, enjoying that sweet Philips transistor radio :-) What a care-free life with story books, library visits, evening walk, stories by grandpa etc! In addition there were some "summer-vacation-only" friends with whom one played trader game, cards and read comics books for hours and hours. chinnappurA onRu, accompanied by some radio noise can evoke all that nostalgia in me! I love my "birthplace / grandparents' home", O so much! (alas they're no more and I don't have the same sentiments even though my chithi still lives in that town).

I believe this song has Mr Coconut on screen (per tfmpage old posts) and I don't have the courage to watch the youtube, even for fun :-(

[Sureshs65]

Yes app. It does have coconut in the song. Too much over emotion!!! But then there have been so many songs butchered thus ....

[PARAMASHIVAN]

And faramu, that was Pramila not Sripriya
:oops: thanks Flau, intha padam paathu oru pathu varushum irkum, paattu mathiriam thaan gynabaham irruku!


3. The mimicry in kadavuL amaithu vaitha mEdai was done by Sadan, a MsV troupe regular.
I thought it was done by a guy called Sai :roll:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

I believe this song has Mr Coconut on screen (per tfmpage old posts) and I don't have the courage to watch the youtube, even for fun :-(

Yes it has Coconut Srinivasan, I have seen the video and it spoils the song big time! :|

[app_engine]

I'm behind by one day, so will post two songs today :-)

#17 & #18 will be from the same movie (actually, that movie has one more for tomorrow as well).

Will be posting these in course of today.

[app_engine]

#17 அப்பனே அப்பனே
(அன்னை ஓர் ஆலயம், 1979) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0250'&lang=en)

What a joy ride of a song!

A trumpet / guitar delight, sung with full of energy and emotion by SPB and supported by PS!

This is an interesting movie for the animal-based-movie specialist, Devar films, who did a few movies with Rajinikanth and Kamal and IR was an unusual choice for some of them (their regulars were initially KVM and later their intro, the S-G duo).

This was the first IR movie for this company and he followed up with anbukku nAn adimai & Ram Latchuman. dhamathin thalaivan came after many years. Essentially, they had IR when he was fast upcoming but switched to cheaper ones when he became #1. (DT was possibly done due to the insistence of hero / director and an exception.) A careful, calculative prod house indeed when choosing technicians.

Well, IR did full justice to their movies when called upon and SPB / PS were the main choices. We got a few top SPB-PS hits from IR for this prod house. Devar-IR-SJ combo is a rarity (i.e. if at all it exists). (Please note, that prod house wasn't averse to using SJ as she featured regularly in their movies with S-G music, "tooth paste irukku, brush irukku, ezhunthiru mAmA":lol:)

It looks like the requirement for this movie was to take a leaf out of MGR's nalla nEram (in heroism and other format) and IR needed to fit in the elephant theme in a similar mode. Well, IR met and exceeded the expectations in a triumphant manner :-)

Personally, I didn't know who the MD was when the song arrived but later found out. However, what was very clear to me when I heard the song for the first time was it was an 'elephant song' :-) There was no doubt about it!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

[ "tooth paste irukku, brush irukku, ezhunthiru mAmA":lol:)


Ithu Ranga padathil irunthu thaanE :roll: , MD Shankar Ganesh ah :shock:

[SoftSword]

#17 அப்பனே அப்பனே
(அன்னை ஓர் ஆலயம், 1979) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0250'&lang=en)

What a joy ride of a song!

A trumpet / guitar delight, sung with full of energy and emotion by SPB and supported by PS!

This is an interesting movie for the animal-based-movie specialist, Devar films, who did a few movies with Rajinikanth and Kamal and IR was an unusual choice for some of them (their regulars were initially KVM and later their intro, the S-G duo).

This was the first IR movie for this company and he followed up with anbukku nAn adimai & Ram Latchuman. dhamathin thalaivan came after many years. Essentially, they had IR when he was fast upcoming but switched to cheaper ones when he became #1. (DT was possibly done due to the insistence of hero / director and an exception.) A careful, calculative prod house indeed when choosing technicians.

Well, IR did full justice to their movies when called upon and SPB / PS were the main choices. We got a few top SPB-PS hits from IR for this prod house. Devar-IR-SJ combo is a rarity (i.e. if at all it exists). (Please note, that prod house wasn't averse to using SJ as she featured regularly in their movies with S-G music, "tooth paste irukku, brush irukku, ezhunthiru mAmA":lol:)

It looks like the requirement for this movie was to take a leaf out of MGR's nalla nEram (in heroism and other format) and IR needed to fit in the elephant theme in a similar mode. Well, IR met and exceeded the expectations in a triumphant manner :-)

Personally, I didn't know who the MD was when the song arrived but later found out. However, what was very clear to me when I heard the song for the first time was it was an 'elephant song' :-) There was no doubt about it!

app, pinna pillayaar appane song devar films'ls pulikuttiya vechaa paaduvaanga? :lol:
whenever i try humming this song, and after the interlude land in the charanam of 'ennammaa kannu...'

but this song/movie was one of my fav too... for the look thalaivar sits on the bonnet of the jeep with a gun..

[app_engine]

Ithu Ranga padathil irunthu thaanE :roll: , MD Shankar Ganesh ah :shock:


இதுல ஷாக் ஆக என்ன இருக்குங்க?
ராசா முதல்ல ஜானகியை குழந்தைக்குரலில் 'கண்ணா நீ எங்கே' பாட வச்சார் (ருசி கண்ட பூனை). அதுக்கப்புறம் நிறைய வந்தாச்சு...
(உ-ம்)
கங்கை அமரன் - டாடி டாடி (மௌன கீதங்கள்)
சங்கர்-கணேஷ் - டூத் பேஸ்ட் இருக்கு (ரங்கா)

[app_engine]

app, pinna pillayaar appane song devar films'ls pulikuttiya vechaa paaduvaanga? :lol:
whenever i try humming this song, and after the interlude land in the charanam of 'ennammaa kannu...'

but this song/movie was one of my fav too... for the look thalaivar sits on the bonnet of the jeep with a gun..

Well, what I meant was like, this was not a 'Devarin Dheivam' kind of song :wink:

In other words, it was not sung to Ganesh but to a literal elephant, thanks to the trumphet sounds that mimic an elephant trumpeting!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

இதுல ஷாக் ஆக என்ன இருக்குங்க?
ராசா முதல்ல ஜானகியை குழந்தைக்குரலில் 'கண்ணா நீ எங்கே' பாட வச்சார் (ருசி கண்ட பூனை). அதுக்கப்புறம் நிறைய வந்தாச்சு...
(உ-ம்)
கங்கை அமரன் - டாடி டாடி (மௌன கீதங்கள்)
சங்கர்-கணேஷ் - டூத் பேஸ்ட் இருக்கு (ரங்கா)

App anneh

I was not schoked about the song, I was quite shocked to know that SG composed for quite a lot of films from mid 70's till late 80's , I was often under the maya that 'IR' scored for 99% of Films in the 80's ! I am proven wrong :oops: It looks like IR scored for 80%, SG 15% and TRR 5% (well for his movies only) in the 80's!

BTW when did Deva enter TFM ? :roll:

[app_engine]

It looks like IR scored for 80%, SG 15% and TRR 5% (well for his movies only) in the 80's!

BTW when did Deva enter TFM ? :roll:

No way!

I don't think he did even 50% in most years, if one goes by sheer number of movies released!

Please check out the year-by-year list of TF from 76-92 (IR arrived in 1976 and ARR arrived in 1992) and you'll know that IR composed for around 500 Thamizh movies but the total TF released could easily be two to three times that number.

However, if you look at the number of hit songs per year, that will be a different story :wink:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App anneh

1) Who was 'Big' composer after IR in the 80's?
2) Who was his main competitor? I didn't think IR had much competition in the 80's

As far as I know the outher Composers around this period were MSV,SG, S.A.Rajkumar, TRR and Deva in th Late 80's :roll:

[SoftSword]

No way!

I don't think he did even 50% in most years, if one goes by sheer number of movies released!

Please check out the year-by-year list of TF from 76-92 (IR arrived in 1976 and ARR arrived in 1992) and you'll know that IR composed for around 500 Thamizh movies but the total TF released could easily be two to three times that number.

However, if you look at the number of hit songs per year, that will be a different story :wink:


app, i guess even after ARR arrived IR was ruling by doing most no of movies and was giving hits too...
ARR was like two movies per year.

[app_engine]

Params,

MSV was quite active through out 80's, often composing for big stars and directors (Rajini / Kamal / Sivaji / K Balachandar / K Balaji)

S-G had their share of successes (Devar films / remake of Bappi Lahiri stuff in TF / Rama Narayanan kind of low bud movies / partnering with Bagyaraj for a couple of films - one with Bagyaraj named as MD)

Gangai Amaran was composing quite a bit till he started spending more time in direction (vAzhvE mAyam, sattam kinds)

Late 80's saw AVM productions heavily promote Chandrabose (manithan, for e.g.)

TR of course - mostly for his own but occasionally did movies of other directors (kiLinjalkaL, pookkaLai paRikkadheerkaL)

Composers from other lang fields - Shyam, Rajan Nagendra, L-P, Bappi Lahiri, Hamsaleka, even RDB - these were here and there.

Our KVM, who was busy with Telugu field, did one or two every now and then.

Then there were some onesies twosies kind of MD's - V S Narasimhan, Sivaji Raja, Manoj-Gyan - such were always coming and going :-)

[SoftSword]

chummaa puttu puttu vekkireenga...
SG socks podra kadhaya patthi oru rumour sutthuchae adha patthi konjam brush'unga..

[PARAMASHIVAN]

app, i guess even after ARR arrived IR was ruling by doing most no of movies and was giving hits too...
ARR was like two movies per year.

NO In the early 90's till 1997 it was Deva who was Composing for most of Tamil Movies! but hey it's not the quantity it is the Quality :lol2:

AFAIK the huge hits of IR in the 90's were Sembaruthi, Thalapathy, veera, inisai mazhai, ejamaan, ponnu mani

[app_engine]

app, i guess even after ARR arrived IR was ruling by doing most no of movies and was giving hits too...
ARR was like two movies per year.

Ofcourse, ARR was not after numbers. However, once he took the cream (big prod houses, stars, directors), the second grade MDs like Deva, SAR, Sirpi, Vidyasagar took away the other market.

IR became a niche player within a matter of a couple years after the arrival of ARR, IIRC. Some old faithfuls as Fazil / BM did a few movies with him before they became irrelevant in the market. Sethu helped a bit but IR's practical relevance as a commercially sought-after MD has gone after the arrival of ARR-Deva-SAR in the market, as a combined force.

We know the trend post-2000 when technology helped the newcomers a lot. One can compose for a film - good sounding music - sitting in a small apartment with no necessity of a big orchestra.

So we have Harris / Vijay Antony / YSR / GVP / VS doing most of the above-average-bud movies (top ones going to ARR) while low-bud can be done by anyone with a few gadgets and there're 100 of them today :-)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App anneh

Manoj gyan's oomai vizhigal :thumbsup:
R.D.Burman did a Tamil movie :shock:
I know Bappi lahari did a few movies , Loved his 'Apoorva sagotharikal' (Karthik+Radha film), esp the song by SPB gaaru's 'Poo mEdiayO pOn veenaiyO ' :clap:

BTW the md for Rajini's Film 'Naan adimai illai' was awsome as well, can't recollect his name :oops:

[app_engine]

chummaa puttu puttu vekkireenga...
SG socks podra kadhaya patthi oru rumour sutthuchae adha patthi konjam brush'unga..

No knowledge of that :roll:

Please relate :-)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

chummaa puttu puttu vekkireenga...
SG socks podra kadhaya patthi oru rumour sutthuchae adha patthi konjam brush'unga..

Socks illa, he always wear Gloves, I have seen his Interview on Jeya TV!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Folks, Can we get back on track pls :)

[SoftSword]

Ofcourse, ARR was not after numbers. However, once he took the cream (big prod houses, stars, directors), the second grade MDs like Deva, SAR, Sirpi, Vidyasagar took away the other market.

IR became a niche player within a matter of a couple years after the arrival of ARR, IIRC. Some old faithfuls as Fazil / BM did a few movies with him before they became irrelevant in the market. Sethu helped a bit but IR's practical relevance as a commercially sought-after MD has gone after the arrival of ARR-Deva-SAR in the market, as a combined force.

We know the trend post-2000 when technology helped the newcomers a lot. One can compose for a film - good sounding music - sitting in a small apartment with no necessity of a big orchestra.

So we have Harris / Vijay Antony / YSR / GVP / VS doing most of the above-average-bud movies (top ones going to ARR) while low-bud can be done by anyone with a few gadgets and there're 100 of them today :-)


app, i guess IR's come back was KM well before Sethu... followed by Kannukkul Nilavu too...
i still listen to KN, only that nilavu paattu has some strange clap sounds which always puts me off.

and in the last category u hav put, VS doesn deserve to be there i supposed, he is way better especially with his melodies i believe.

[SoftSword]

No knowledge of that :roll:

Please relate :-)

relate? am i digging... IR era patthi dhane pesarom...
anyway, not intentional, apdiyae vandhuruchu :)

[raj_musing]

Params,

MSV was quite active through out 80's, often composing for big stars and directors (Rajini / Kamal / Sivaji / K Balachandar / K Balaji)

S-G had their share of successes (Devar films / remake of Bappi Lahiri stuff in TF / Rama Narayanan kind of low bud movies / partnering with Bagyaraj for a couple of films - one with Bagyaraj named as MD)

Gangai Amaran was composing quite a bit till he started spending more time in direction (vAzhvE mAyam, sattam kinds)

Late 80's saw AVM productions heavily promote Chandrabose (manithan, for e.g.)

TR of course - mostly for his own but occasionally did movies of other directors (kiLinjalkaL, pookkaLai paRikkadheerkaL)

Composers from other lang fields - Shyam, Rajan Nagendra, L-P, Bappi Lahiri, Hamsaleka, even RDB - these were here and there.

Our KVM, who was busy with Telugu field, did one or two every now and then.

Then there were some onesies twosies kind of MD's - V S Narasimhan, Sivaji Raja, Manoj-Gyan - such were always coming and going :-)

A composer by the name MBS(M B srinivasan) from TN ...Has he contributed to tamil music in the 80's?...just curious to know??

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Softie ,
This is not the thread for 'Just' IR discussions ,but 'IR+SPB songs discussions'. :)

[app_engine]

SS,
I mentioned Fazil sticking to IR :-)

Ofcourse, V-S can be placed in a separate category from the tech-whiz-kids but I think his capability to doing melody is over rated. His focus area is to take an old hit and tweak :-(

His celebrated SPB-SJ number (malarE mounamA) was found to be a "slowed down" version of an old S-G number :lol:

[SoftSword]

param, digg aarambichadhae neenga dhaan... :)
anyway.. continue guys, sorry for contributing to the digg.. :wave:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

#17 அப்பனே அப்பனே
(அன்னை ஓர் ஆலயம், 1979) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0250'&lang=en)



Appn anneh

Nathiyoram song from this movie , by SPB+PS is lovely one ! :)

[app_engine]

A composer by the name MBS(M B srinivasan) from TN ...Has he contributed to tamil music in the 80's?...just curious to know??

By the time IR was big in the market, MBS was practically full-time on "sErndhisai" stuff, mostly for AIR-DD kinds, I think.

He was still doing a few Malayalam movies, Fazil's "maNivaththooril 1000 sivarAthrikaL" (Mammootty / Suhasini, "muththE,mhoom muththE, mhoohoom") was by him IIRC...

[app_engine]

Appn anneh

Nathiyoram song from this movie , by SPB+PS is lovely one ! :)

That's my number for the day, will be posting later today :-) Listened to that song a few times since this morning!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

param, digg aarambichadhae neenga dhaan... :)
anyway.. continue guys, sorry for contributing to the digg.. :wave:

I know I did, :) but it is going all over the place :)

[SoftSword]

// digg

thats one song of VS which i dont like...
my most lovable of him would be Poo vaasam.

[genesis]

Params,

MSV was quite active through out 80's, often composing for big stars and directors (Rajini / Kamal / Sivaji / K Balachandar / K Balaji)

S-G had their share of successes (Devar films / remake of Bappi Lahiri stuff in TF / Rama Narayanan kind of low bud movies / partnering with Bagyaraj for a couple of films - one with Bagyaraj named as MD)

Gangai Amaran was composing quite a bit till he started spending more time in direction (vAzhvE mAyam, sattam kinds)

Late 80's saw AVM productions heavily promote Chandrabose (manithan, for e.g.)

TR of course - mostly for his own but occasionally did movies of other directors (kiLinjalkaL, pookkaLai paRikkadheerkaL)

Composers from other lang fields - Shyam, Rajan Nagendra, L-P, Bappi Lahiri, Hamsaleka, even RDB - these were here and there.

Our KVM, who was busy with Telugu field, did one or two every now and then.

Then there were some onesies twosies kind of MD's - V S Narasimhan, Sivaji Raja, Manoj-Gyan - such were always coming and going :-)

It looks like app covered well.. but here is my thought..

There were lot of other MDs in the field...

1. MSV - KB, Visu few some other houses stayed with him, KB first came to Raja in 1986 for Sindhu Bhairavi?
2. Shankar Ganesh - They were very far behind Raja and most of time the movies they worked on had other major attractions like Elephant, Snake or Baby Shalini.
3. Chandra Bose - I really do not know when he came to TFM scene, but he became quite know after becoming AVM's in-house MD.
4. T. Rajender - Probably he is the only MD that was able to get some attention away from Raja in the early-mid 80s. But unlike Raja he had lot of supporting elements in his favour like Success of his movies. To be honest lyrics in most of his songs are damn good. TR-SPB combo has produced some great numbers. I think TR once said in an interview, if SPB was a woman, he will marry him(er).
5. Gangai Amaran - Ok, most of the people thought and continue to think those songs were composed by IR.


I do not think I shall include Deva - by the time Deva arrived in 1988, some people in the industry were desparetly looking for an alternative to IR.

[raj_musing]

By the time IR was big in the market, MBS was practically full-time on "sErndhisai" stuff, mostly for AIR-DD kinds, I think.

He was still doing a few Malayalam movies, Fazil's "maNivaththooril 1000 sivarAthrikaL" (Mammootty / Suhasini, "muththE,mhoom muththE, mhoohoom") was by him IIRC...

Thanks for that...Though very less in numbers,there were some wonderful compositions from this great man! Iam just listening to an album "Bhava Geethangal" composed by MBS in Malayalam...Actually a friend of mine recommended me thIs album...There are some amazing songs in that....Anyways Not to digress,,,carry on !

[app_engine]

#18 நதியோரம்
(அன்னை ஓர் ஆலயம், 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0252'&lang=en)

Second song from the same movie, a flute / strings / tabla delight!
PS is such a sweet match for the flute and SPB gives happy company in this jolly ride of a tune.

"நானந்த ஆனந்தம் என் சொல்ல" "தேயிலைத்தோட்டம் நீ தேவதையாட்டம்" - simple, poetic lines that flow so freely and smoothly in a fast paced song. No word is felt as an odd one and the lyric nicely sits on the tune with nothing out of place. As the lines suggest, a song meant for running and dancing around in the banks of a river stream in a mountainous terrain :-) Well, I've not seen the movie and don't know how it's actually done on screen but the poet has let free his imagination and the music supports it very well to transport one to mooNAR kind of place instantly! Those who watched the movie please tell whether the story happens in Idukki area (elephant, hills, forest, tea estate, river side - the movie's setup and the song lines strongly suggests such an area).

PS was the only female singer used in this movie IIRC. SPB had three numbers while TMS was given the "ammA" number :wink:

[groucho070]

2. Shankar Ganesh - They were very far behind Raja and most of time the movies they worked on had other major attractions like Elephant, Snake or Baby Shalini.:rotfl:

They are so and so, but I hate their title scores. No matter which point they are, when the title card announces the director, they do a full blaring of winds and strings to announce the director. Very annoying.

[groucho070]

App, they do exactly the lyrics suggest, ie, outdoorish duets.

Always confuse this with Kaathoodu poovurasa from Anbukku Naan Adimai. SPB's voice here sound like he's working for MSV...slightly muffled, rather than open when he sings for IR. Do I make sense here?

[KV]

App, your reminiscences are really enjoyable. Thanks and keep it going!
BTW, RDB in TFM? I know he's done a couple of Kannada ones, but haven't heard of his work in TFM. Movie name? Any links?

[Plum]

" I think TR once said in an interview, if SPB was a woman,"
SPB, great the escape!

RDB - tamil movies
1. Poo Mazhai Pozhiyidhu * Nadhiya, Suresh, Vijayakant. As is usual with Nadia movies, there are two heroes and both try desparately to "sacrifice" their love for Nadia to the other. I briefly wrote about this phenomenon in Films section. Needs to be further analysed in full-groucho-mode
2. Ulagam Pirandhadhu SathyarajukkAga - or atleast Gouthami and Roobini in the movie

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Those who watched the movie please tell whether the story happens in Idukki area (elephant, hills, forest, tea estate, river side - the movie's setup and the song lines strongly suggests such an area).


App anna

AFAIK, the song was picturised along river bank :)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

:rotfl:

They are so and so

Rakesh anna :notthatway:

SG was a very good MD, esp when it comes Melodies, few songs of SG + SPB chart busters

1) Aval oru menaghai - Natchathiram
2) Naa unna ninaichen nee enna ninaichE
3) Oru kadhal devathai boomiku vanthal - Some Karthik + Revathy Movie
4) All Neeya Songs ! (BTW, Was neeya songs inspired from the Hindi version???)

[groucho070]

Raghu, I look at the whole package, not one or two good songs. On the list, I like only Aval oru menagai. In fact, I like their work in the two MGR films they scored, though they sounded awful lot like MSV. They tend to absorb the best MD of the time and give their mediocre version. Their background score are noises. Massive noises, as per my mention of the title scenes.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Genesis,

Yes SPB + TRR combo produced some awsome songs indeed

1) Oru pon maanai naan kaana thagathimi thOm
2) Naanum unthan urvai naadi vantha paravai - Listen to the Mirudungam, uduku and veena towards the end , absolutley awsome, similar to IR's Kadhal oviyum's Sangeetha jaathi mulai song! SPB simple excels in both songs!
3) MoongilE paatisaithu
4) Ithu kuzhandhai paadum thaalatu
5) vasantham paadi vara
6) Vasamila malarithu
7) Indira logathu sundari rathiri - love this song, horrible pictuerisation though :banghead:

[KV]

Plum thanks for the quick dope on RDB. I dont see the films on Thiraipaadal though.

Continuing the S-G digression, I’m with you on that assessment, Grouch. After I heard the Jagjit Singh original of Megame Megame, I pretty much lost faith in S-G’s originality.
My favorite of theirs is Rendu Kannam from Sivappu Malli. But then, I feel it would only be a matter of time before someone points to me its true source!

Just curious, what's TR's record like in this regard? Any blatant lifts in the handful of passable songs he has given?

[tvsankar]

Genesis,

Yes SPB + TRR combo produced some awsome songs indeed

1) Oru pon maanai naan kaana thagathimi thOm
2) Naanum unthan urvai naadi vantha paravai - Listen to the Mirudungam, uduku and veena towards the end , absolutley awsome, similar to IR's Kadhal oviyum's Sangeetha jaathi mulai song! SPB simple excels in both songs!
3) MoongilE paatisaithu
4) Ithu kuzhandhai paadum thaalatu
5) vasantham paadi vara
6) Vasamila malarithu
7) Indira logathu sundari rathiri - love this song, horrible pictuerisation though :banghead:

add 2 more songs.. neraiya iruku.. SPB TRR combo...
1. Malai enai vaatudhae
2. Dhinam dhinam un mugam

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Usha akka

Dhinum Dhinum un mugum, good song for dancing ! Amma soluvanga naa chinna paiyan irukumbothu intha paatu pota thaan naa sOru saapiduvanam :lol:

Just love the way SPB says hei hei :notworthy:

[tvsankar]

oh. Nice.. nalla paiyan pola irukae neenga.. hehehe..
SPB's singing style in this song. something Great.. TRR paatuku Uyir kodutha SPB.....

[Plum]

KV, I am not the person to go to for online links. Have no idea where you can find those albums.

And TR was said to be ghosted by L Vaidyanathan for many of his ventures. I guess TR used to come up with melodies, and polishing, tinkering, orchestration etc were taken care of by assistants. Infact, there was a dispute with AA Raj for Oru Thalai Ragam itself on who is to be credited for the music.

While on that, SPB himself has said that his music making process was to hum the tune and let assistants take care of the ludes and BGM

[venkkiram]

டி.ஆரை பற்றி சமீபத்தில் கேள்விப்பட்டது. இசை உருவாக்கத்தில் Plum சொன்னமாதிரி L.V, சிவமணி என நிறைய இளைஞர்கள்.இதில் சிறுவர் ரஹ்மானும் உண்டு. வெவ்வேறு விதமான இசைகளை டி.ஆருக்கு வாசித்தால் "அந்த ரெண்டாவதா ஒண்ணு வாசிச்சிங்களே! அதையே வச்சிக்கலாம்"ம்ம்பாரம். எப்படி எல்லோரும் சிரிப்பைக் கட்டுப்படுத்திக் கொண்டு கவனமா இசையமைச்சாங்க என்பதே ஆச்சர்யமான விஷயம்.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

While on that, SPB himself has said that his music making process was to hum the tune and let assistants take care of the ludes and BGM

Yes, he said on his TV show , 'enodu paatu paadungal' !

[KV]

Venki - எப்படி எல்லோரும் சிரிப்பைக் கட்டுப்படுத்திக் கொண்டு கவனமா இசையமைச்சாங்க என்பதே ஆச்சர்யமான விஷயம்.
:lol:

Plum, venki, that's some gyan! ARR also part of the group? Whoa! (so, all the wild drumming and african ideas, ellam kaatuvaasi karadi effecto?)
I find Vaasamilla Malaridhu to be strangely funny. TR maybe hummed two lines and then suddenly had a 'creative block' (what else can one expect with that jungly mane and ruffian beard?) and they ended up repeating just the two lines throughout the song!

[app_engine]

#19 நந்தவனத்தில் வந்த குயிலே
(அன்னை ஓர் ஆலயம், 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0253'&lang=en)

A true wild-life song :lol:

Towards the end of the song, SPB changes his voice to sound like a wild beast also (the sound which supposedly created trouble for his throat in Kamal's Indiran-Chandiran). Raja does his part to add the elephant trumpet and some other wild sounds in the interludes to bring the forest ambience. However, there're also delectable string portions in the first interlude that one can enjoy.

This solo song has SPB in his youthful, thuLLal elements and must have matched the fast-paced Rajini very well. In addition, it has a few catchy phrases in the flow of the tune too, to make the youngsters happy like "ஏண்டி சிவந்தது பூவிழி" :-)

I remember this song having decent air-time and also bus-time during my school days, though not as frequently as the other two (appanE appanE & nadhiyOram). Still, it was a song tailor-made for SPB and reminds one of early days of SPB!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App anna

Thanks for reminding me the song, I have totally forgotten it as I have watched it long time ago :)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

One of SPB+IR +AB Gem !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyA2_Grjp4&feature=player_embedded

[app_engine]

#20 ஹே மஸ்தானா
(அழகே உன்னை ஆராதிக்கிறேன், 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0370'&lang=en)

While the VJ solo "nAnE nAnA" is the biggest hit from IR-Sridhar combo's second movie (and perhaps well-known to everyone who visits our hub), the three songs by SPB weren't much behind when the musical arrived and created a sensation in TN. Picking relatively less popular actors (Vijayakumar / Jaiganesh and some youngsters) wasn't unusual for Sridhar who intro'd / popularised some famous ones in TF. What was unusual about this movie was the MGR heroine (Latha).

The songs were a rage everywhere - tea stalls, radio, functions, buses - wherever one goes he'll be treated with 'nAnE nAnA' or the short-sweet 'azhagE unnai ArAdhanai seigiREn' or the SPB numbers. Interestingly, this was the time period when tea stalls were migrating from HMV players to cassette players, in my observation. Well, some of them had fancy amplifiers & huge box speakers too :lol2:

I have written before in some thread about the 'minor Ilayaraja maNamigu coffee bar' in the Virudhunagar bazaar. Every evening during summer hols, during our walk from "Muthuraman patti" to "Vellaichamy nAdAr library" near bus stand, we'll stop by this stall in the bazaar - their main products (tea / coffee) were not the main attraction but the huge speakers were and ofcourse the IR songs! That was the year of the original "Oram pO" that got blasted out from those speakers. I remember hearing the AUA songs in that shop as well.

By that time, my cousin had the fancy Panasonic 2-in-1 :-) There were two portable models by Panasonic that were so much sought after those days (available not on regular radio shops but Burma bazaar kind of places only). One simple cassette player with no radio for around Rs 900 and this 2-in-1 mono (that had a small tweeter in the corner of the woofer). This had a large play button and a red color record button in the middle of that. (For recording, you press both). This "system" costed a huge price of Rs 2000. Just FYI, even in 1986, 2000 was a big amount (my first monthly salary was that and it was the 3rd highest in the campus interview, 2700 being top-most).

So, one can understand how much "valuable" that cassette player was in 1979 / 80 :-) Since recording centers haven't started flourishing yet, most songs we had were the ones "recorded" from radio broadcasts! AUA songs were here and there in many cassettes and always sought after.

'hEy mastAnA' was one of the most sought after by us as it was really hip! IR followed up the prior Sridhar movie's 'kiNNaththil thEn vadiththu' in this song by giving a similar middle eastern feel. SPB / PJ / VJ / Jency - one rare combo - sang this song.

One in the long list of IR innovations and SPB adds so much value by his youthful singing!

[V_S]

One of SPB+IR +AB Gem[/video]
PS,
It's not Asha Bhosle, it is Lata Mangeshkar.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

PS,
It's not Asha Bhosle, it is Lata Mangeshkar.

Yes sorry :oops: there was another Song by SPB + AB called 'Athi kalai neram kanavil unnai parthen' I was thinking of that ! :oops:

BTW, there was another gem called 'Devadai vanthathu mana .....' by SPB + AB, do you know the name of the film ?

thanks

[groucho070]

Interesting reminiscence of the tape recorders, app. Were the 8 tracks sold, in transition from LPs to cassettes? You know what I mean,

http://pslc.ws/macrogcss/images/eight.jpg

My cousin had a 8-track player, and bunch of those tapes, but never Tamizh songs.

[Divine22]

Yes sorry :oops: there was another Song by SPB + AB called 'Athi kalai neram kanavil unnai parthen' I was thinking of that ! :oops:

BTW, there was another gem called 'Devadai vanthathu mana .....' by SPB + AB, do you know the name of the film ?

thanks

Hi, I think you are referring to a song titled "Oru devathai vanthathu, Mana chirai koondai tiranthu sendrathu'' from Naan Solvathey Sattam. The album consists songs sung by SPB,Asha Bhonsle, KSC, and IR. Athikaalai Neram is from the same album,,

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.php?ALBID=ALBIRR00396&lang=en

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Hi, I think you are referring to a song titled "Oru devathai vanthathu, Mana chirai koondai tiranthu sendrathu'' from Naan Solvathey Sattam. The album consists songs sung by SPB,Asha Bhonsle, KSC, and IR. Athikaalai Neram is from the same album,,

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.php?ALBID=ALBIRR00396&lang=en

Yes that is the One!!! Many thanks for the info, BTW who acted in that film ? :)

[app_engine]

Interesting reminiscence of the tape recorders, app. Were the 8 tracks sold, in transition from LPs to cassettes? You know what I mean,

My cousin had a 8-track player, and bunch of those tapes, but never Tamizh songs.

Never heard of it groucho, I don't think many in TN are even aware of the existence of such. As for as TFM is concerned, it was from 78 RPM arakku records to 45 RPM "small size" records and then LP records (33 RPM, big ones). There were some who had "spool cassette" players but compact cassette players were the most popular ones I've seen from late 70's to late 90's!

[app_engine]

# 21 குறிஞ்சி மலரில் வழிந்த ரசத்தை
(அழகே உன்னை ஆராதிக்கிறேன், 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0369'&lang=en)

A beauty from the beauty-worship movie. I had the misfortune of watching this on youtube sometime back :-( Strongly recommended NOT to try! (Such a soft, melodious song is torn apart on screen by a bell-bottom-step-cutting-guy's wild dappAnguththu dance on beach). As in the case of IO, Sridhar had a few VJ numbers and she was in her usual loud (well, kinda) mode in this one (unlike orE nAL which was far more subdued). However, she made amends with the absolutely stunning nAnE nAnA :-) All-in-all, her TFM singing career can be summarized as the female equivalent of Seerkazhi G :wink:

SPB maintains his boyish singing through out. Though the tune appears simple, it's literally "breath-taking" when one tries to sing in the bath room. Nice, flowing (rather running) melody accompanied by all kinds of IR-fav instruments (violin, guitar, either veeNai itself of guitar sounding like veeNai, one of organ / harmonium / accordian...) Typical 70's style tablA rhythm which wasn't a big differentiator for IR (means sounding like every other MD of that time period including MSV).

I'd say an evergreen category song! (And was a big hit with radio)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

A beauty from the beauty-worship movie. I had the misfortune of watching this on youtube sometime back :-( Strongly recommended NOT to try! (Such a soft, melodious song is torn apart on screen by a bell-bottom-step-cutting-guy's wild dappAnguththu dance on beach).
I had the misfortune of watching it :|



SPB maintains his boyish singing through out.

Esp the bit where Drags 'Athuvariyil naaan aahhh athuvariyil naan' ! One of my fav evergreen hit

BTW App anna, Who is acting in this film? Don't tell me it is sudhakar :shaking:

[app_engine]

BTW App anna, Who is acting in this film? Don't tell me it is sudhakar :shaking:

I don't know the name, new comer who didn't last long. From old posts, IIRC, it may be Latha's brother...

[Divine22]

Yes that is the One!!! Many thanks for the info, BTW who acted in that film ? :)

I believe the hero is Charanraj , unsure who is the heroine.,The name Charan raj is enough to make me run away frantically, saving myself from the onscreen horror of watching him & his heroism! IR giving such melodious treat to this kinda' ''horror'' movies.. such karunai... ;D

[groucho070]

Heroine, I learned here, was Jeyasudha's sister.

App, 8Tracks actually appeared in the US in the 60s itself. Developing nations like us then sort of missed out on many of the "technologies". It was in Malaysia for few years, and was quickly disappeared when cassettes came. In fact, cassettes were more popular in the beginning of 80s, and those with 8Track players had to get a adapter that shaped like 8track, but with the centre to fit the cassettes. Like this:

http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/12/80sCassetteAdapter-520px.jpg

But seriously, they were frickin annoying, you got to keep switching the tracks to find the song you want to. The records were so easy with that regards, and with CDs. These tapes were really bothersome.

Please continue app, really enjoying your posts.

[V_S]

Grouch,
Never heard 8Track system so far. Thanks a lot for sharing such a rare information along with that rare picture.

[groucho070]

Those in US or UK in the 60s/70s should be able to share more. Considering you guys have not heard of it, I am now not surprised to note that our Tamizh songs were absent in those tapes. There were either the LP/EPs or cassettes.

Sorry for another digression, but I wonder if there is a thread on early use of stereo sound in TFM. Anyone?

[V_S]

App,
'Hey Mastana' is such a great song and glad that you picked up this song. Beautiful!. Compared to the start, when SPB sings how the song gets softer. Very interesting to read your nostalgic trip down memory lane. Through you I was there with your trip from Muthuraman Patti to Vellaichamy nAdAr library!

[KV]

I vaguely remember a popular Hindi song (around the 90s I think, though I don’t exactly know) that has the same tune as the chorus of Hey Masthana (lyrics, whatever few words that I can recall, include ‘main naachoongi, gaaoongi’). I don’t know if its sixth sense, but my mind associates Sridevi in one of her Naagin avatars. How right is my hunch?

[PARAMASHIVAN]

I believe the hero is Charanraj , unsure who is the heroine.,The name Charan raj is enough to make me run away frantically, saving myself from the onscreen horror of watching him & his heroism! IR giving such melodious treat to this kinda' ''horror'' movies.. such karunai... ;D

என்னது சரண்ராஜ் ஆ :frightened: I was hoping for Kamal or Karthik :banghead: IR has a habbit of giving Superhits songs for mokkai heroes, typical eg ராமராஜன் :rotfl:

[app_engine]

Groucho,
Thanks for the picture of a gadget that I've never seen physically :-)

V_S,
Some of my most pleasant boyhood memories are from that town. That's where I used to spend summer holidays each year with our (maternal) grand parents :-) Thanks to the "go-to-mom's-place-for-delivery-custom", it had my clinic of birth also. (It was crossed as well, during the "walks" :wink: )

Got distracted in the election results thread for quite some time...SPB-IR next number for the day is due...

[app_engine]

#22 அபிஷேக நேரத்தில் அம்பாளை தரிசிக்க
அடியேன் கொடுத்து வச்சேன், ஜென்மம் அதுக்கே எடுத்து வச்சேன்
கண்ணே வா, கரையேறி வா, அம்மா தாயே வா புண்ணியம்
(அழகே உன்னை ஆராதிக்கிறேன், 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0366'&lang=en)

I remember the time when my cousin sang this song with the "bench thALam" of my younger bro and recorded on his panasonic player. That was a big hit with the relatives:-)

Very catchy song sung with extreme kuRumbu by SPB (and Vaalee had written the lines with extreme kuRumbu too). To this day I'm shocked that this song was allowed to be sung at such a conservative home and I'm more than convinced that the music was so powerful that people simply ignored the lines :wink: Or, alternatively, the AbAsam in the lines weren't obvious to the perusoos (very doubtful, even we boys were kind of aware that it was a "sexy" song).

In any case, this song gets played every now and then on my car until now. I haven't got any objection from my co-passengers so far and continue to getting away with it :lol:

[app_engine]

Around the time period when IR has scored his first 100 (Balu Mahendra's 'moodupani' starring his wife and Pratap Pothen was advertised as IR's 100th, had English translation of the title within brackets as "the mist"), there was an interview or Q&A with him published in cinema express mag. This mag was published by the Indian Express / Dinamani group (not sure whether they still publish this).

One question asked was 'நீங்கள் இது வரை இசை அமைத்த பாடல்களில் உங்களுக்கு மிகவும் பிடித்தது எது?' (not exact words, but this was the sArAmsam).

IR's answer : சுத்தமான ஹம்சத்வனி ராகத்தில் அமைந்த 'மயிலே மயிலே உன் தோகை எங்கே' (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1406'&lang=en) என்ற பாடல்.
(கடவுள் அமைத்த மேடை படத்தில் பாலுவும் ஜென்சியும் பாடியது, 1979). This is the #23 in the SPB-IR series being posted in this thread :-) To get this unusual kind of approval from IR talks a lot about the song! (Ofcourse, he wasn't that philosophical those days and it helped...had he become sAmiyAr much earlier, we would have got some unpalatable replies).

The violin(s) / chords / santoor delight, that had me following the song madly wherever it got transmitted from, is unforgettable. I don't remember how many times I rushed to radio to stay close to listen or stopped walking while on a road to enjoy or loyally get into the bus that plays this number, even though it's only 3rd or 4th in the line etc (means will not start for another 30-40 minutes). SPB sounds quite mature in this song (or made to look like that by the konjals of the co-singer). There're not many SPB-Jency duets that I can quickly recall but this one is easily the top number!

If you want to have a hearty laughter, search for the youtube of this. (I've seen only once and that was enough for a lifetime).

[app_engine]

#24 பூப்போலே உன் புன்னகையில் பொன் உலகினைக்கண்டேனம்மா
(கவரிமான், 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1638'&lang=en)

One of the few IR-SPB songs that were for Sivaji (depending upon which of the three IR-SPB-Sivaji movies in 1979 that came first, this could have been even the first one). Well, this movie came first in my alphabetical order:-)

Sweet song, sung with appropriate feeling and was an instant winner with me and at home! My parents as well as most of their colleagues loved this song and it was a regular in school singing competitions etc. (I never tried singing it in front of others cause I knew I couldn't do it properly. Such a tough song but you'll realize only when trying to sing :wink:)

IIRC, there's also a pathos version of this song (obviously not the preferred one)...The happy song is not one to be missed by anyone who loves IR's music or SPB's singing!

[groucho070]

This is the #23 in the SPB-IR series being posted in this thread :-) To get this unusual kind of approval from IR talks a lot about the song! (Ofcourse, he wasn't that philosophical those days and it helped...had he become sAmiyAr much earlier, we would have got some unpalatable replies)..:lol: You'd probably get, "it's like asking which child of mine I like" kinda reply. Thanks for sharing that app.

Mayile mayile gets repeat play whenever I play a particular collection CD. Accompanying that song is Oru Kungguma Chenggamalam, Kanmaniye Kathal Enbathu, Devathai Oru Devathai & Engenggo Sellum (Patkat Bhai), Poonthaliraada Ponmalar sooda, and few other gems. Got to dig that CD up.

[app_engine]

groucho,
I remember reading only two interviews (or something that can be called so) of IR in mags those days. He was known to be aloof from media during most of his heydays.

One was this and another was in Kumudam. (In which he said "Asha B may have the sweetest voice but SJ is the singer with top vidwatvam" and I was pullarichchified reading that)

[app_engine]

I think it was around this time period (summer of 1979) that I've started the habit of reading anything about IR that appears anywhere :lol: And used to talk to everybody about that small thing (like a brief passing remark in arasu badhilkaL etc) with craze!

Why, I even remember the typo in kalkaNdu magazine (Dad Tamilvanan was in charge then) on a question about IR's 100th movie.

The question was something like 'Hasn't IR scored his century so quickly?'

The answer that was possibly given by Tamilvanan was "படவுலகின் கவாஸ்கர்".

However, what appeared on print was "பல வுலகின் கவாஸ்கர்" :lol: See, I remember that typo even today after 32 years!

(Well, just for info, Sunny was really a big hit with his first Windies tour in 1977 as a sensational batsman and was a darling for the whole country. It was years later that people started getting irritated with him, especially when he started politics and was katta pOttufying often to reach 100)

[app_engine]

dig

kalkaNdu was published by Kumudam publications those days and had similar artwork, font, paper quality etc. It had a very decent circulation also (with its snippets, Q&A and Tamilvanan's "Sankarlal" series thuppaRiyum stories).

It had the honor of being part of a 'kiRaL' by students.

The original kuRaL is
கற்க கசடற கற்பவை கற்றபின்
நிற்க அதற்குத் தக.

The "kiRaL" was
கற்க குமுதம் கல்கண்டு கற்றபின்
விற்க பாதி விலைக்கு.

end-dig

[KV]

App, as usual, super posts! Abhishega nerathil is semma kutthu, among the best of SPB in this genre. Naughtiness personified!
Some very nice bass work in this song as well, perhaps one of the differentiating factors compared to other folk songs of that time.

Dig
Talking about defunct magazines, any memories/gyan on 'Manikodi', literary magazine from the 30s?
(New thread on this (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?9327-மணிக்கொடி-Manikodi-yesteryear-s-literary-magazine)in the Thamizh literature section)
End-dig

[PARAMASHIVAN]

[url=http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1406'&lang=en]. Excellent song, I almost sing this song daily! such a romantic song! Didn't know it was from moodupani. Have not seen the film , kind of want to watch it for IR+SPB+BM , but the sight of pratap may freak me out :shaking:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App anna

I dont know which year the following songs were released , but I am sure they were in the late 70's even though I was not around that time :lol:

1) ponnaram poovaram
2) Ilamai enum poongatru
3) Junior Junior JunioRR iru manam konda ( was this IR or MSV)

[app_engine]

Excellent song, I almost sing this song daily! such a romantic song! Didn't know it was from moodupani. Have not seen the film , kind of want to watch it for IR+SPB+BM , but the sight of pratap may freak me out :shaking:

perhaps my post is not clear, this is from 'kadavuL amaiththa mEdai'. (not moodupani).

[app_engine]

App anna

I dont know which year the following songs were released , but I am sure they were in the late 70's even though I was not around that time :lol:

1) ponnaram poovaram
2) Ilamai enum poongatru
3) Junior Junior JunioRR iru manam konda ( was this IR or MSV)

Your 1) & 2) are from 1979 and will be written about in a few days :-)
3) is from avarkaL, music MSV

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Just saw the video of the song 'Geetham Sangeetham nee thaanE en kadhal' , an utter spoiler of the song, who ever the hero was doing comical dance movements in the song :rotfl:

[app_engine]

#25 என்னோடு பாடுங்கள் நல்வாழ்த்து பாடல்கள்
(நான் வாழ வைப்பேன், 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2219'&lang=en)

Another SPB-Sivaji number from the same year. For the movie that also had KJY's 'AgAyam mElE' for Rajinikanth. A sweet lead guitar / trumpet delight (almost MSV-ish) where Balu enhances a simple-looking tune with his effortless singing. (The ending "wish you many more..." part is somewhat irritating but overall a nice melodious song).

This song, IMO, was a radio-only hit unlike the 'AgAyam mElE' number which was a sensation everywhere. The general teakkadai talk was that Rajini was the bigger attraction for the movie and not Sivaji. (My cousin even told that a big group will enter the theater just in time for the Rajini scenes and leave after his best one - possibly an exaggeration as he was getting highly RK biased by this time, but underlined the contribution of Rajinikanth for the success of the movie that was a remake from Hindi). Also, by the expectations / standards we boys set for SPB & KJY, those were opposite offerings.

SPB, the thuLLal / energetic / boyish singer giving us this softie while KJY, the soft / slow / pathos kind of singer (chosen by MGR to suit his then-unclear-voice) belting out that 'adi nAn thAn Michael, adi nee thAn my girl' :shock: Anyways, it was another thiruviLaiyAdal of IR (or may be one of Sivaji).

[balaji]

App-Engine

Great write-up
there was rumor that this song "Ennodu Paadungal" was recorded using TMS voice..IR dubbed the song later SPB. Does any old Hubber remember this? Was it Manisekaran or someone else who wrote about this..

Unless I am totally imagining this

[baroque]

nice songs, app_eng.

good write-ups too.

just this evening I was enjoying piano Ilayaraaja's early treasure AZHAGU AAYIRAM ULAGAM MUZHUVADHUM.......violin, guitar,Janu's humming, piano strokes... enchanting mood while driving in this cool spring drizzle...thank you, Raaja.
http://www.raaga.com/player4/?id=39612&mode=100&rand=0.20616256771993402

Ullasa paravaigal... DAZZLING early Raaja album.

http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/moviedetail.asp?mid=T0000178

you will be covering the GERMANIYIN ........upbeat, guitar rhythm, with violin / trumpet for Janu & Bala... echo flute & flute fill-ins

http://www.raaga.com/player4/?id=40&mode=100&rand=0.7737975265113786


Vinatha.

[balaji]

Hi

Thanks I was not imagining....I did read this here in tfmpage in 2004...

Glad I still I have my chips :))

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From: RRA (@ 203.199.213.194) on: Mon Nov 22 04:58:30 EST 2004

Mr. Manisekaran: Reg. the TMS-IR tiff, I recall
that the song "Ellorum Paadungal" sung by SPB in Naan Vaazha Veippen was apparently originally sung by TMS and recorded. TMS in fact played both version in front of an audience (in Sri Lanka?) and asked them to decide which one was better. This appeared I think in Kumudam. IR responded saying that he had no role in it and it was the decision of the producers. At that IR recalled earlier problems with TMS. Two songs he mentioned were "Annakiliye" and "Andapuratthil".
RRA

[Plum]

<DIG>
App, nAn nakkeeran illai(adhu vERa hubber) but unga pAttula pizhai irukku.
Sunil Gavaskar made his first WI tour in 1971 - that was his first ever tour infact; infact, that was his first ever series at home or abroad - not 1977. He made like 770 odd runs in that series, which I believe is still the Indian record for a series.

But in general, people also say now that he made his runs in West Indies in 1971 and 77 when the bowling attack was not as fearsome as later tours(only one I guess) which he didnt do that well in.
<END DIG>

Reg Poo Pole, the pathos version is an absolute favourite. More than the happy version because as usual, IR puts in some heart-tugging matter in the strings. Even at an young age whence I couldnt have understood the emotion of an estranged father to a daughter - who has reasons to hate him - it tugged some strings in the heart. You felt oddly melancholic. As my relation with IR has always been that he digs up such unknown emotions in my heart with his music, I tend to place greater value on that aspect.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App-Engine

Great write-up
there was rumor that this song "Ennodu Paadungal" was recorded using TMS voice..IR dubbed the song later SPB. Does any old Hubber remember this? Was it Manisekaran or someone else who wrote about this..

Unless I am totally imagining this

balagi anna

welcome back after so many years? :shock: Ungalaku ennai yaar endru theriyutha :)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App annna

Since your last was SPB+Shivaji combo, I think there was another SPB+Shivaji gem, called 'Kaalam maaralam num kadhal maaruma' . It had Shivaji and Sujatha in the song, I am sure the Movie came in late 70's and the MD being IR .

[Plum]

Faramau, wrong on multiple counts. It was the 80s. Vaazhkai. With Ambi chechi(sivaj-ambi chechi - must be grouch's dream combo ;-) )

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Faramau, wrong on multiple counts. It was the 80s. Vaazhkai. With Ambi chechi(sivaj-ambi chechi - must be grouch's dream combo ;-) )

Oh yes, thanks Plum. Just remembered now! Shivaji sir with massive belly romancing with the ever so slim Ambika , looked extremley Pathetic! It looked like Father - Daughter , than Lovers! :sigh2:
I know Rajni also Romances with heroine half his age or even less, but on screen it does not look bad, but this was like :frightened:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Flum

There is a Shivaji/Sujatha duet sung by SPB+PS? Please tell me the name of the song and the movie? I remember Shivaji hiding in some sort of Railway station and the it was raining heavily, if I remember rightly, he was wearing a brown / pink long over coat with a cow boy hat!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Folks

Did andaman kadhali had any SPB songs ?? That was Shivaji +Sujatha film right ?

BTW

Was the Following songs by SPB for Shivaji Or MGR

1) Devathai oru devathai - SPB +SJ
2) engengo sellum en ennangal - SPB+SJ

[app_engine]

Plum,

Thanks for correcting my blunder on Sunny (1971 to 1977 is FF by 6 years, what was I thinking).

Param,
Andhaman kadhali was by MSV, it had two great songs both KJY-VJ combo (andhamAnaippArungaL azhagu & ninaivAlE silai seydhu unakkAka vaiththEn), don't recall any other number SPB or otherwise

dEvathai & engengO are from pattAkkaththi Bairavan (1979 Sivaji movie) and will be covered in this thread :-)

Balaji, Thanks for the TMS info on ennOdu pAdungaL!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App anna,

I think I got the song i was after, it was from Annan Oru kovil with Shivaji . The song is Naalu Pakkam, and the MD was MSV, not IR :oops:

Here is the song http://www.dishant.com/album/annan-oru-koil.html

[app_engine]

#26 திருத்தேரில் வரும் சிலையோ
(நான் வாழ வைப்பேன், 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2221'&lang=en)

Another SPB-PS duet for the year. Another song for Sivaji. Another MSV-ish song by IR.

However, by this time we identified the song positively as Raja's - some ingradients started showing, like the guitar prelude. Or, may be the violin arrangements that were more pleasant than that of Joseph Krishna's. Or the santoor sound that was used for the call-response in the pallavi. Or the konjum sounds of flute.

Regarding SPB-PS, definite akkA-thambi category in my book :wink:

I don't remember the video (possibly seen on youtube some portions but cannot recall). However, read in tfmpage and elsewhere about the silai v/s thEr thingy :lol:

On the nostalgic perspective, this is another IOKS reminder :cry2: and a 70's summer evening reminder! Very popular on radio!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

#26 திருத்தேரில் வரும் சிலையோ
(நான் வாழ வைப்பேன், 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2221'&lang=en)


Another Gem! :thumbsup:

I don't know , if any one noticed that when ever SPB sings for Shivaji, he Mainly sings in Lower Octaves, I mean he usually start from lower notes, eg ( ennodu paadungal, Thiru theril varum siliayO, Poo pOle un punnagaiyil..etc) with Jammuna nathiyenge being the exemption.

Another Song of Shivaji with Nadhiya as his daughter, I think it is called 'Anbulla appa'. It had a song by SPB where he will be talking and singing for Shivaji, and the Laugh, Cute gigglesonly possible by SPB!

[Divine22]

nice songs, app_eng.

good write-ups too.

just this evening I was enjoying piano Ilayaraaja's early treasure AZHAGU AAYIRAM ULAGAM MUZHUVADHUM.......violin, guitar,Janu's humming, piano strokes... enchanting mood while driving in this cool spring drizzle...thank you, Raaja.
http://www.raaga.com/player4/?id=39612&mode=100&rand=0.20616256771993402

Ullasa paravaigal... DAZZLING early Raaja album.

http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/moviedetail.asp?mid=T0000178

you will be covering the GERMANIYIN ........upbeat, guitar rhythm, with violin / trumpet for Janu & Bala... echo flute & flute fill-ins

http://www.raaga.com/player4/?id=40&mode=100&rand=0.7737975265113786


Vinatha.

I am absolutely in love with Azhagu Ayiram .... What a song .. ;))

[groucho070]

Faramau, wrong on multiple counts. It was the 80s. Vaazhkai. With Ambi chechi(sivaj-ambi chechi - must be grouch's dream combo ;-) ) Voi, back then I am vonly Kamal fan. Ippo I regard the flashback scene with this duet unnecessary. Awesome film, which I heard was ruined by the Hindi fellers.

[groucho070]

[url=http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2221'&lang=en]#26 Check out the string on 19 seconds onwards. Doesn't that remind you of the pallavi of Chinna Chinna Megam, ennai tottu pogum...

Anyway, you were right about Rajini stealing the show. Nothing new. Same would have happen if it was Rajini film and NT made guest role. From the discussion in the other thread, they booked Rajini when he was still up and coming, and by the time they shot this Rajini had become hot stuff. So they had to wait for him, and Rajini did his part.

[Plum]

Actually, I always thought(and mentioned in hub before) that Rajini should have played hero with NT doing michael.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Anyway, you were right about Rajini stealing the show. Nothing new. Same would have happen if it was Rajini film and NT made guest role. From the discussion in the other thread, they booked Rajini when he was still up and coming, and by the time they shot this Rajini had become hot stuff. So they had to wait for him, and Rajini did his part.

Was it not the same with Kamal / Rajni film as well :huh: BTW I also liked Rajni scenes more than Shivaji scenes !

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Folks

What was the last IR+SPB combo ?? If I rememeber correctly , it must have been in the 1990s right :roll: How sad :(

[KV]

90s aa? Yenna koduma Paramashivan sir! Even as recent as 2009, there was a Kannada movie called Nannavanu (http://www.sensongs.com/nannavanu.html)that features three songs by SPB - one lovely romantic duet and two power-packed solos (especially Om Shivoham, what a folksy-treat!)
Last Thamizh song from the IR+SPB combo? Hmm, you got me thinking now!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

90s aa? Yenna koduma Paramashivan sir! Even as recent as 2009, there was a Kannada movie called Nannavanu (http://www.sensongs.com/nannavanu.html)that features three songs by SPB - one lovely romantic duet and two power-packed solos (especially Om Shivoham, what a folksy-treat!)

சார் நான் கேட்டது தமிழ் பாட்டை பற்றி :) ஓம் ஷிவோஹம் பாட்டை கன்னடாவில் SPB பாடிநார ?? :shock: Link Pls !


Last Thamizh song from the IR+SPB combo? Hmm, you got me thinking now!
யோசிச்சு சொல்லுங்க :)

[KV]

The other Om Shivoham, this one is (nothing to do with that bolt of lightning from Naan Kadavul) - a frenzied mix of Vedic chants, rural-Karnataka style prayer songs and carnival music, quite a cocktail! (hyperlinked in my previous post)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

நன்றி kv :)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

App_Engine அண்ணாவை உடனே ஆஜர் ஆகுமாறு உத்தரவுடுகிறேன் :)

[Nerd]

Folks

What was the last IR+SPB combo ?? If I rememeber correctly , it must have been in the 1990s right :roll: How sad :(
As far as I know, its Kuyilukko koo koo koovida solli koduppOm (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0910'&lang=en) from friends, which was way back in 2001. No songs for 10 years?! I don't know what's stopping him from giving songs to SPB. He still sounds good and will be available at a very reasonable price too. Its a pity that we have to listen to B-grade singers like Prasanna singing for Raja sir..

App_E, (silently) enjoying the series :-) :-)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

As far as I know, its Kuyilukko koo koo koovida solli koduppOm (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0910'&lang=en) from friends, which was way back in 2001. No songs for 10 years?! I don't know what's stopping him from giving songs to SPB. He still sounds good and will be available at a very reasonable price too. Its a pity that we have to listen to B-grade singers like Prasanna singing for Raja sir..


Oh yes, I remember that. I agree about B Grade singers, TFM is full of it now, Most of the Male singers sing like Females,or Like they have some sort of throat infection, Not to mention their excellent Tamil pronounciation skills. Just listen to SPB's Endhiran song 'puthiya Mani' he still sounds like 25 year old, though he is nearing his 65th Birthday :shock:

[app_engine]

App_Engine அண்ணாவை உடனே ஆஜர் ஆகுமாறு உத்தரவுடுகிறேன் :)

Param, I'm quite weak in recent song stats - SPB / IR or otherwise :-(

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Param, I'm quite weak in recent song stats - SPB / IR or otherwise :-(

Me too :( but like Nerd said, Friends was probably the Last SPB + IR songs :(

[V_S]

PS,
As far as I know the last tamizh songs in SPB+IR combo is from Vishwa Thulasi (2004). But the music is by both MSV and IR. Beautiful songs in that movie. SPB's 'Nizhalin Kathai' and 'Kannamma Kanavillaiya' are top class from the Legends (SPB+MSV+IR).

[PARAMASHIVAN]

PS,
As far as I know the last tamizh songs in SPB+IR combo is from Vishwa Thulasi (2004). But the music is by both MSV and IR. Beautiful songs in that movie. SPB's 'Nizhalin Kathai' and 'Kannamma Kanavillaiya' are top class from the Legends (SPB+MSV+IR).

Yes beautiful Film, excellent acting by Mamooty (as usual) and Nandita das. AFAIK the songs were composed by MSV and BGM was done by IR ( I remember hearing some where )

[V_S]

Yes beautiful Film, excellent acting by Mamooty (as usual) and Nandita das. AFAIK the songs were composed by MSV and BGM was done by IR ( I remember hearing some where )
You may be right, tune might have been composed by MSV, but the orchestration and arrangements in the songs makes me believe it's IR. I may be wrong. RS, Suresh, anyone please clarify.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

You may be right, tune might have been composed by MSV
Another Movie which had this Combination was yester year Mike Mohan's 'Mella thiranthathu kathavu". It had MSV composing the songs, while IR did the BGM!

[app_engine]

#27 முதன் முதலாக காதல் டூயட் பாட வந்தேனே
(நிறம் மாறாத பூக்கள், 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2400'&lang=en)

While this song is definitely not the "first love duet" for SPB or SJ (or Sudhakar / Radhika), it was the first SPB song for a BR film :wink:

BR had four jubilee hits prior to NMP. Even though BR-IR were friends to SPB prior to BR's first directorial venture, it so happened that there were no SPB songs in any of the first four.

Not even in the city-based-Kamal-movie sigappu rOjAkkaL :roll: Possibly schedule conflicts, as SPB was getting busy in TFM, TeFM & KFM, recording for all composers, stars, directors & production houses. (One observation - though SPB led his way in singing for Kamal overall, he didn't sing even one song for BR+Kamal movies. 16V - all MV, SR -KH & MV, tik^3 -KJY, OKD -KJY / UM)

This thuLLal, kuRumbu SPB-SJ song is a riot with all it's references - Zee amman, Ghantasala song used in a comical way (எழிலாள் சிற்பமாக என் எதிரில் நாணி மறைந்திடுவாள் ஓஓஒ, BTW, is it SPB or someone else?), nadigai = kazhudhai etc :lol: IR in great mood too, right from the prelude one can sense his enthu for "music-for-comedy". Also, had his signature rhythm arrangement!

[app_engine]

'Mella thiranthathu kathavu". It had MSV composing the songs, while IR did the BGM!

Minor correction - MSV composed "tunes" for all songs except kuzhaloodhum which was IR's and they both worked together during composing sessions. IMO, even orchestration had inputs from MSV as the rhythm arrangement of 'ooru sanam' is MSV-like.

It was a real case of "both genius composers working together" IMO!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Yes Muthul Muthulaga was One hilarious Song :lol:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

It was a real case of "both genius composers working together" IMO!
Yes indeed !

[app_engine]

That the "kuzhaloodhum" melody is by IR had supposedly been told by MSV himself in some program.

It can also be attested by the fact that IR reused it for cheeni kum :wink:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

It can also be attested by the fact that IR reused it for cheeni kum :wink:

That AB / Nandita Das movie :roll:

Mandrum vantha thendraluku tune was also used in this hindi Movie, the song was sung by KSC

[app_engine]

That AB / Nandita Das movie :roll:

Mandrum vantha thendraluku tune was also used in this hindi Movie, the song was sung by KSC

அந்தம்மா பேரு "தபு" :-) The female singer -all 3 songs - was Shreya!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

அந்தம்மா பேரு "தபு" :-) The female singer -all 3 songs - was Shreya!

Sorry :oops:

தபு உங்களுக்கு அம்மாவா :shock: :)

[rajkumarc]

#26 திருத்தேரில் வரும் சிலையோ
(நான் வாழ வைப்பேன், 1979 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs=%27SNGIRR2221%27&lang=en)
However, by this time we identified the song positively as Raja's - some ingradients started showing, like the guitar prelude. Or, may be the violin arrangements that were more pleasant than that of Joseph Krishna's. Or the santoor sound that was used for the call-response in the pallavi. Or the konjum sounds of flute.

I don't remember the video (possibly seen on youtube some portions but cannot recall). However, read in tfmpage and elsewhere about the silai v/s thEr thingy :lol:


Spot on regarding the orchestration having IR's unique stamp. I always feel this when I listen to this song, especially the preludes or the interludes they invoke a pleasant, dreamy feel which is only IR possible.

As to the video, it's nightmarish stuff, especially the costumes of KRV, so better stay away from it. However, the location where this song is shot is very beautiful and that's the only thing I like about the picturization.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

the location where this song is shot is very beautiful and that's the only thing I like about the picturization.

It was Colombo :(