The Golden Era of Dr.IR and Dr.SPB [Archive] - Page 11

app_engine

17th December 2011, 01:40 AM

#230 காத்திருக்கேன் கதவைத்திறந்து
(மிஸ்டர் பாரத், 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2084'&lang=en)

Another sugar-coated duet by the top pair SPB-SJ, that tastes like one of those Danish butter cookies (that you can't have just one and this song too typically encourages a repeat listen). The initial tak-tak irritation notwithstanding :wink: Ofcourse, that part generates some curiosity as to how it would have been shot on screen (haven't seen / don't know) but I'm not a fan of it when listening to the song. OTOH, the singing of SPB & SJ are in the same levels of 'muththam pOthAdhO' and quite sweet. Same with rAsA's orchestration - somehow it evokes the same feel of the kiss song (there may be some connection that musicals will be able to decipher).

I think it's anybody's guess that this would have been picturized on Rajini-chEchi (it would be a shocker if someone comes and posts that the song was actually for truthking...but, then, anything is possible in TF / TFM). I hope my curiosity level will be sustained till the evening when I can access youtube and get a glimpse of this video (will post the link in this thread if that happens). A very sweet pallavi and equally sweet saraNam and this is the only song I fondly remember from this album. Ofcourse, never had a chance to record or analyze like many favourties (bus / kOlAmbi / teakkadai only number) but just that the others didn't register strongly despite the movie having Rajini.

I think this was around the time that AVM-rAsA urasal started. I'm not positive but it's quite possible as they seem to have started looking at lesser talents for their next movie with Rajini. While I'm not 100% sure whether the very next AVM-Rajini movie had a new MD, they definitely deviated from having only MSV / IR for RK-KH movies as they had between 81-86.

Possibly AVM started their cassette business around this time as well (which possibly clashed with Echo and other rAsA interests). In any case, Chandrabose did become their 'AsthAna' MD for a while and the reason gossipped was their difficulty in working with rAsA. I've read somewhere that rAsA had his own room in AVM recording theater prior and due to the urasals moved out to Prasad. His AVM room was given to Chandrabose etc.

How far these were correct cannot be verified by a layman reader like me :-)

al_gates

17th December 2011, 04:28 AM

Never had a great liking for it but compelled to document it here because this was a hit song. I never thought this was so popular (mainly because I was out of TN and its arumai-perumai didn't reach Palakkad)

It was a spectacularly popular song would be my take.

Mr.Bharath was released Pongal 1986, much before the other hits like Vikram, AKK, Punnagai Mannan, MounaRagam, etc. (This was the time of the Ind-NZ-Aus tri-series, and 3 months before that Miandad sixer. That month I also remember because one of my dad's friends showed me an India map and asked me to point out Andaman, which sounded Andha Maan to me. I was perplexed because I had no idea why he wanted to see deer in an India map.)

About 10 days after the movie release, I saw Malaysia Vasu in a concert. After he finished the song 'Ennama Kannu', the crowd shouted 'Once More'. (Of course, he also sang Poongatru Thirumbuma, less than a year old, on that day).

It was pretty common for the fellas in my primary school to sing this out at lunchtime, playground, classroom, etc. This was minus the SPB roar when he says 'Paayum puli naan thaan'.

I consider myself always 10 years behind the times, but these days have serious difficulty watching the 80s movies for more than 30 minutes. I find them too oldfashioned, slow, from a different world..And still, I watched Mr.Bharath last year and enjoyed it. (Perhaps it is not the screenplay but the pleasure of bringing to mind's eye those days of 1985-86 when I stood in queue for the evening School bus, Duckpack bag on shoulder, tiffin bag in hand while around me, some 8 year old narrated Sathyaraj-Rajini dialogues to other 8 year olds with Fly-Receiving-Jaw-dropping mouths). Sathyaraj is my preferred villain for his smartness and casualness.

From Balaji Bala's reviews http://www.bbthots.com/reviews/rewind/mbhaarath.html comes this line:
"Both have fun during the Ennammaa Kannu... song, one of the highlights of the movie. It is sung heartily by SPB(for Rajnikanth) and Malaysia Vasudevan(for Satyaraj)."

App, I read you watched Mounaragam only recently. Why this Kolaveri Saar? :smile2:

Divine22

17th December 2011, 07:02 AM

Ennamma Kannu ~ fast & hip song, and the clip is not so bad either, Rajini looks extremely dashing, with his style and attitude, simply wonderful! Sweet , exhilarating preludes & interludes... ♥♥♥♥♥
Even today, I still hear ppl asking or saying 'Ennamma Kannu Saukiyama' ? and often used in chats ..

:hammer: D.Imman for your remix !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsTjI5C0hHM

Kaathirukken Kathave ~ AAhh,, the fridge song, as I remember it... It's funny watching this song today. Yet those days this song picturization would have been considered a break through .. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXvLVg3PilI

Pacha Milaga, En thaayin meethu aanai... MS Vasu Sir... missing your voice

Plum

17th December 2011, 10:58 AM

I wonder if App saw the youtube of the fridge video and was too stunned to post anything - evening pArthuttu ezhhudharennu sonnavar soundE kANOm :lol:. App, Krisasok meesicalA? News to me. I thought he name-drops harikhamboji, nalinakanthi etc for effect, sometimes for kevalamaana punning effects :huh:

Bala (Karthik)

17th December 2011, 05:14 PM

Plum
Pala varsham violin vaasikka padichirukkaaru, he can play the guitar, theory theriyin (endha alavukku nu therinja naama musical-a iruppom), listens to many different forms of music, garage band use pannuvaaru (MD ku adhu dhaane main-u!) - if he is not a musical, then who is? Emotion, nostalgia, situation, genre etc ippadi pesaradhu vera, technical-a (theory-based) pesaradhu vera illaya

App
Link edhuvum illainga, specific-a. There was an exchange of tweets between him and Suresh65, which i wish had been more elaborate - very interesting....

Plum

17th December 2011, 05:28 PM

I always found him fake - I don't know. Knowledge is one thing, how you use/project/articulate is quite another...

app_engine

18th December 2011, 09:36 AM

al_gates,

Nice memories :-)

Plum,
:lol2:

Bala (Karthik)

18th December 2011, 01:12 PM

I always found him fake - I don't know. Knowledge is one thing, how you use/project/articulate is quite another...

Disagree!
Anyway, im talking about music only. humor etc ellaam Vera vishayam. Sometimes works, sometimes dorsnt (IMO this tambram outrage tumblr concept doing the rounds in twitter is the lamest, bladest, obnoxious concept and attempt at humor)

app_engine

19th December 2011, 08:13 AM

#231 நான் பூவெடுத்து வைக்கணும் பின்னாலே
(நானும் ஒரு தொழிலாளி, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2283'&lang=en)

Back to another Kamal movie (the movie that I referred to as an "old" movie, as this was supposedly in the making for quite a long time and felt by many as "old" even when it got released). The movie was released in Kerala (Palakkad) with the title 'meeNdum sooryOdhayam' printed in Malayalam but 'nAnum oru thozhilALi' in Thamizh :lol: Sridhar had to change the Thamizh title possibly to not antogonize the ruling ADMK (even though MGR was quite sick by the time this movie was on screen).

Extremely sweet song, typical harmony between SPB & SJ and IR throwing in some sweet instrumental pieces made this song instantly likeable. Another "bus-only" song and mostly listened during night rides. Reminds me of the breezy road between Pollachi and Pazhani where buses often didn't have perfect window insulation and the vAdaikkARRu used to pierce the bones. Same experience with Pollachi bus stand where one got stranded often in midnight / early morning and the vAdaikkARRu could be devastating. Forcing one to drink tea frequently and also visit the rest room often :-)

The poster of this movie - with Kamal Ambika - that is still fresh in my mind (with different Malayalam / Thamizh titles) was at the "Sultan pettai" junction of Palakkad, one of the few places that had a "traffic light" those days. This junction was visited by us practically daily - on one of the four sides was Ashok Bhavan ( a poor Palakkad clone of Annapoorna with similar sAmbar soaked idli etc) and the opposite of that was a stationary store. We had taken dinner there many days (and I did suffer some terrific bowel experiences in the night thereafter, even taken to clinic by others in the morning etc). This was one of the better-looking veggie restaurants of Palakkad those days and was a regular place for TN bachelors...

groucho070

19th December 2011, 08:32 AM

app :thumbsup: as usual.

I love the fridge song, and the tenacity of the film-makers to come up with the silly concept of giant sets.

NOT....as hardcore as I was then, truly hated the film and loved the songs. I think even the film format was differently shot (wide screen one, and normal one).

Bala (Karthik)

19th December 2011, 03:35 PM

During Virumaandi release, there was an interview of Thalaivar done by Madhan. He just went ballistic talking about the lyrics of this song - challenging why nobody questioned the vulgarity of the lyrics of songs like these (deliberately picking a song from his film rather than someone else's) but were up in arms about his film titles, commenting about cuss-words, kissing scenes etc in his films (@ sports shoes Krishnaswamy and Thol Thiruma). He was seething in this interview and he was like "Naan onnu kekkaren, 'naan pooveduthu vekkanum pinnaala' - appadinna enna artham?" - Madhan was clearly uncomfortable and would try to shift the topic, IIRC :lol:

groucho070

19th December 2011, 03:39 PM

Youtubela kedaikkumA?

Bala (Karthik)

19th December 2011, 03:41 PM

Maybe. Will church and post from home, if i find it

Plum

19th December 2011, 03:43 PM

:lol: - btw, sports shoes? Romba high rangekku poikitturukkinga puriyala

Bala (Karthik)

19th December 2011, 03:44 PM

Avaru eppavum sport shoes dhaan pottruppaaru-nga :)

raajarasigan

19th December 2011, 04:20 PM

and also Peter England Shirts :lol2:

19th December 2011, 04:22 PM

"pooveduthu vekkanum pinnaala' - appadinna enna artham?"
:oops: idhu double meaning na, eppadi purinjukardhu? idhu adhuva?

app_engine

19th December 2011, 09:51 PM

nanRi, groucho!

I posted only one song during the weekend, so two songs are due today. Needless to say both of them'll be from the same NOT movie...

app_engine

19th December 2011, 10:32 PM

#232 செம்பருத்திப்பூவே
(நானும் ஒரு தொழிலாளி, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2286'&lang=en)

During the initial couple of listens of this song, I never associated it with IR (though I was slightly doubtful here and there, got confused as to whether this is some Shankar-Ganesh's recent trick or some new IR-wannabe). Also, didn't know that this was from the same movie as nAn pooveduththu vaikkaNum pinnAlE - a song that had clear IR-stuff (right from the rhythm of the pallavi which was similar to chinnanjiRu kiLiyE). I didn't like the song with its yah-hoo kind of sounds and was sure it was not from IR. Unfortunately for me, it was an IR-Kamal song as found out in a "sound-shop" in a lane in the same "Sultanpet Junction" area of Palakkad :-(

When one comes from the workplace, you get dropped off about 100 meters before the junction. To go the "College road" (that leads to Victoria College) and catch another bus near the "Head post office", we normally take a side lane. The side lane at one point of time had this 'TSM textile' shop which was a branch of Coimbatore Shoba (the biggest cloth shop in Cbe OppanakkAra street owned by Malayali muslims in early 80's and got destroyed by arsonists during a religious riot). There was this "sound shop" with huge speakers, serial-light-sets etc that was blasting 'nan pooveduththu' followed by this song. A few similar "together-listens-on-buses-later-on" confirmed the sad fact that this was indeed an IR number. I still don't like this number but want to record here that it was a SPB-SJ-IR hit.

Before I close the post, want to register my love for Shoba shop. I liked it. It was then the Coimbatore equivalent of Trichy Saradhas. Where you can get fabrics for all costs. And readymades as well. I got the first pant-shirt after I started earning from that shop and got stitched in the Ambassador tailor in X-cut road. Fond memory. Also, prior to my first trip abroad, I got a lot of clothes from the same store with the "outfit allowance" given by the employer.

That was why I was sad when the store got torched and this song connects me to that lane, TSM textiles & to Shoba :-(

PARAMASHIVAN

19th December 2011, 10:48 PM

All his first 4 were silver jubilee, 200 day, 300 day kind of runs (16V, KPR, SR, PV). I'm not sure whether any of the later ones had similar level of success. May be AO matched them in crowd response but none other possibly.
(i.e. Regardless of whether each one was a commercial success or flop...
AFAIK, following were not money-losers: NMP, MV, MM, PP, OKD, KK, KC.
Possible money-losers : N,TTT, KO, VVV, EUT, NT, TM, EN, KKS, KP, KP.
I don't know about others, like, VP, KM, K'mA etc ).

Oh I See, for some reasons,. I tend to like BR movies more than KB

app_engine

19th December 2011, 11:03 PM

#233 ஒரு நிலவும் மலரும்
(நானும் ஒரு தொழிலாளி, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2284'&lang=en)

The third SPB-SJ duet from the same movie, another song with flower in the pallavi (interestingly, the fourth and last song that will be posted tomorrow from the same movie also has pushpam in it :lol2:). With an awesome start and a real racy pallavi, the song is instantly catchy. The saraNam kind of kills the spirit - especially with some jingidi-chikkA sounds that our friend irir123 will be happy to post about - but the interludes and some excellent singing by SPB-SJ save the song overall. Kamal possibly enjoyed the song on-screen like 'varuthu-varuthu-vilaku-vilaku'. Those who have seen the movie / youtube, please post how it was picturized. Highly possible that it was a "dance" number (per Plum, 'kai-kAl Attal' number :wink:).

I think the movie didn't do well on BO. In any case, a couple of my classmate-colleagues who watched it didn't have anything good to say about it. Which meant that I was content with that "Sultan Pettai junction poster" and didn't bother much about the movie. I don't know what the connection with NOT and Sultan Pettai but my mind keeps lingering on that junction as soon as I started with the songs of this movie :roll:

Well, one more trip there in this post doesn't hurt. This was another restaurant, in the other side of the junction from Ashok Bhavan (i.e. east or Coimbatore road side, Ashok Bhavan was on the west / Palakkad town side). This was called "Elite" and was very dimly lit inside (actually dark, possibly they let the regular 230 volt bulbs with KSEB supply and didn't bother about transforming it). Hardly any crowd but fantastic food - parottA / peas masAlA was awesome and we used to visit every now and then, one of our co-workers who worked for the spares department was a regular there.

There was another Coimbatore Engineer who used to visit this place regularly and his favourite was fried rice. (It was really good and so was egg-parottA). However, our collegues weren't very enthusiastic about going with him there. (Reason? He was so fond of ketch-up and used to practically empty the bottle on the table with a plate of fried-rice it seems :lol:). Anyways, before long, the business didn't run well and the owner converted it later on to 'Elite fancy store' selling plastic stuff and now it was so bright with all tube lights :-) My wife bought our first "chopping board" in that shop (apart from a couple of blastic buckets) when we started our kudiththanam.

groucho070

20th December 2011, 09:07 AM

I think the movie didn't do well on BO.That's an understatement. I could even hear it crash here in Malaysia :evil: Sridharrrrr...:argh:

PARAMASHIVAN

20th December 2011, 09:40 PM

Naanum Oru thozhilali KH padama :shock: Never seen it, all this time based on the Titile, I thought it was VK Movie !

app_engine

21st December 2011, 04:17 AM

#234 பட்டுப்பூவே
(நானும் ஒரு தொழிலாளி, 1986 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2285'&lang=en)

The SPB solo from this KH movie that makes it to the hit song list, apart from the 3 SPB-SJ duets that we've already posted about. Fast and jubilant / energetic number where the singer excels with his typical boyish enthu. For some reason, this song used to remind me of the SJ number 'nAn dEvadhai' from the movie soolam (music by IR, don't remember any other details now, from the early 80's, frequently on radio those days). Similar construct - may be even the same rAgA (experts please confirm). With some interesting wind instrument sounds and guitar accompaniment, this song is typical of 80's "club" numbers. So, one can expect some female with 'jigina-jigu-jigA' constume dancing with Kamal on-screen.

This movie also had a couple of female solos (one by SJ, another by VJ) and another SPB number 'mandha veLi' that does not evoke much memory and so I discounted that number from making into the thread. All the songs of this movie were typically on loudspeakers / buses, even in a non-TN location like Palakkad. So, I assume they were heard quite a bit inside TN as well. More than IR or Sridhar, Kamal must have been the reason for the reach of these songs as they were not extra-special by musical POV alone.

No big nostalgia with this song - since the term 'Sultan Pettai' was mentioned in the posts of other three songs, I'll add that here as well. With the additional information that the "Sultan" mentioned is none other than Mr Tippu Sultan (he had a fort in Palakkad and I lived a few hundred meters from that fort for a couple of years and will talk about it in a future post...this guy had quite a bit of leftovers in the Malabar area. One interesting thing is the name of a town - in Malayalam it is called 'sulthAn baththERi'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Bathery)The British name was - or the English name even today for that place is - Sultan's Battery :lol:)

V_S

21st December 2011, 08:13 AM

App,
Sorry to miss your posts for the past two weeks. Not in town.
Amman Koil Kizhakkaale was one of my favorite movies that time (guilty pleasures? :lol:). Only sore point was Annan's comedy was missing. Senthil alone could not match up to it.
I will have to do a lot of catch-up. Keep it going sir. :thumbsup: As Annan says, 'neenga pOrapadi pOnga, naan kadaisiya vanthu senthukkuren'. :smile:

Thanks rajkumarc for your kind words.:smile: Really happy to see your comments.

Murali Srinivas

21st December 2011, 07:36 PM

App,

Good to read about the topography of Palakkad and you made it interesting. Talking about Meendum Suriyodayam, I too remember that was the name mentioned in the Malayalam posters. Actually the movie was started in 1981 as a cinema scope venture and the name of the movie at that point of time was Sakthi. Kamal and Ambika paired for the first time and it was even mentioned that Ambika comes in a swim suit and I remember Kumudham carrying a still photo of the same. Due to reasons unknown, the film was put on the back burner for quite some time and only during late 85, the shooting started again. The name was changed to Meendum Suryodayam and shooting progressed. It was planned for a April 86 release which got postponed to May 1st of 1986.

At this point of time, there was this Local bodies election in TN that took place in March 1986. Remember after coming to power, MGR never conducted any elections to Local bodies except for Madurai corporation that was held in July 1978. Imagine almost after 9 years after coming to power he conducted these elections and again he did not include Chennai. To his surprise of surprises, DMK won many of the municipalities and town panchayats and for many political observers it was a shock/surprise depending upon where they stood. So at this point Sridhar must have thought that if the movie releases with Meendum Suryodhayam title, it would be seen as if they are welcoming DMK's re-emergence. Again Sridhar had one more title with him. Naanum Oru Thozhilaali. Irony is Sridhar under his own banner Chithralaya had started a movie with MGR in the lead titled Naanum Oru Thozhilaali in the mid 70s and that saw only one day's shoot and folded up.. So Meendum Suryodhayam was dropped like a hot potatoe and the film was rechristened as Naanum Oru Thozhilaali and the film got released on 1st of May 1986.

One interesting tidbit is Sridhar had one more release on the same day named Yaaro Ezhuthiya Kavidhai. About which I had written a short note in POW thread during my hub probation period. In fact this was one of my earlier posts long before I discovered NT thread.

[I]While hosting Sridhar’s AOM song, Ramki had given a link to a discussion about Sridhar and it made interesting reading. In that Anand Sankar as music director for Sridhar’s film was discussed. He worked for Yaaro Ezhuthiya Kavithai. This was a movie based on Vaasanthi’s kuru novel (Kalki?). A bus on a hill terrain meets with an accident and the passengers are hospitalized. Out of them one woman due to the accident is affected by amnesia and nobody comes enquiring about her. She (Jayashree) stays back in the hospital/home of the Dr. (Sivakumar). Slowly he develops a liking for her and she starts to reciprocate. They decide to get married. Suddenly there is a twist. Somebody comes in search of her and it turns out that this woman is already married and the person is her husband (Rajesh?). True to Tamizh Panpadu, Sivakumar just hands over the woman to her husband and walks back. The same movie was made in Malayalam (“Innalae” meaning yesterday) by the famous Script writer/Director Padmarajan and I was fortunate to se that. It had Shobana, Jayaram (Lover, but here her mother was the Dr. played by SriVidya) and Sureshgopi did the Husband’s role. When Sureshgopi comes in search of Shobana, Jayaram becomes angry and tells SG to get lost. SG shows all the photographs but still J refuses to believe. SG pleads and J agrees to take him to Shobana on the condition that if Shobana recoginises SG on her own, she will go with him. If not she will stay with J. SG agrees because he believes she will immediately rush to him since they were a sort of made for each other couple before she embarked alone on that bus trip. J tells her that his old time friend is coming to meet him and his “would be”. When SG arrives, Shobana comes out and with a matter of fact face welcomes him and talks to him as if she had met him for the first time. SG is crestfallen and J couldn’t hide his joy. When Shobana goes in to prepare coffee, J simply rushes in and takes her in his hands and starts kissing. Shobana is unable to understand the sudden behaviour of J and feels embarrassed because somebody is sitting in the hall. But J is uncontrollable. Imagine the plight of SG, who can make out what is happening inside. When finally J& S come out, SG is not there and is seen getting into the car and driving away. The film ends there and this knife-edge story/scenes were beautifully handled by the Director and all the lead players were excellent. Compared to this, Tamil was a damp squib and the only saving grace was two good nos by Anand Sankar, one lovely song by KJY (I don’t remember the song, though it reminded me of a old song). At the end instead of usual Vanakkam, the title card will say “Ithu Sridhar Ezhuthiya Kavithai” the only novelty if you can call this as one. Sridhar had another release “ Naanum oru Thozhilali” on the same day (May 1st, 1986) a rare incident when two films of the same director is getting released and that too on a non festival day but unfortunately both bombed at the BO

Sorry app and others for the lengthy digression.

Regards

Plum

21st December 2011, 08:06 PM

:lol: Tamizh kalaachaaram paduththum paadu

app_engine

21st December 2011, 10:32 PM

Thank you Murali sir, for the details!

Awesome, as usual!

PARAMASHIVAN

21st December 2011, 10:38 PM

:lol: Tamizh kalaachaaram paduththum paadu

Aama aadiku oruka aavaniku oruku vanthu register mark panrathu than unga vela pOla :lol:

app_engine

21st December 2011, 10:51 PM

nanRi, V_Sji!

I'll continue with another KH film (albeit "dubbed" with SPB voice) :wink: Almost 180 deg turn from NOT :-)

app_engine

22nd December 2011, 01:02 AM

#235 மனசு மயங்கும் மௌன கீதம் பாடு
மன்மதக்கடலில் சிப்பிக்குள் முத்து தேடு
(சிப்பிக்குள் முத்து, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3374'&lang=en)

The misra chApu delight (7 beat cycle, tha-ki-ta-tha-ka-dhi-mi) from the second of the three Telugu dubbing movies I've ever seen. (Repeat from an earlier post - those three are sAgara sangamam - salangai oli, swAthi muthyam - sippikkuL muthu, geethAnjali - idhayaththaiththirudAdhE, all IR delights, two had Kamal as hero / K Viswanath as director and the third had MR as director and Amala's husband as kavalaikkidamAna hero).

I remember reading a Sujatha article in Kumudam (or may be in AV) around this time where he wondered about what are the ingradients needed for a film's success (and concluded that nobody in the industry knew / could be sure about). I'm not sure whether there were references about the not-so-great-run of Vikram but I'm sure he contrasted the dismal result of big-budget movies in general to the terrific run enjoyed by movies made in totally contrasting style, quoting the "Thelungu movie that had Kamal as village appAvi" :-) It was ofcourse swAthi muthyam and it got dubbed into Thamizh in due time (possibly the only "Thamizh" movie where they used dubbing for Kamal - SPB spoke for him and possibly earned his ire).

That also meant that the automatic male voice for all songs was SPB in Thamizh (he was possibly the singer for Telugu originals too). (Unlike the employment of "whoever was available" methodology adopted for certain dubbed movies later on, including idhayaththai thirudAthE). Interestingly, though it had lovely songs, in my measure, was not in the same "range" as salangai oli. With one exception, however. The PS beauty 'varam thandha sAmikku' tops over every salangai oli song. Phenomenal number :thumbsup: I don't have the same level of closeness with any of the SPB numbers as I have with mounamAna nEram or thakida thadhimi. However, I agree these are good numbers and manasu mayangum is definitely evergreen.

I remember seeing those huge size (printed) posters in Secunderabad / Hyderabad when visiting for an interview in late-85 (for Andhra Cements, they gave 1st class fare and also the job but I didn't join). I have never seen so big posters in Thamizh ever for any movie. Remember visiting Indira Park, Charminar & Birla Mandhir marble structure in Hyderabad during that visit like a typical tourist. Didn't see any movie, watched this movie in Coimbatore...we'll visit Coimbatore of 1986 in the coming few posts on the songs of this movie :-)

V_S

22nd December 2011, 05:39 AM

App,
Great song to start the soundtrack. :clap: Thanks for the excellent insight on how it was viewed then. We will be too busy this week I believe to relish all these great numbers from this amazing film and soundtrack. These soundtracks are milestones will be an understatement. While Salangai Oli had great blend of love and classical art, KV opted a totally different folk based village story on the shores of Godavari (if I am not wrong) in Swathi Muthyam. These songs reflect the life of the villagers more closely depicting strong human relationships. Totally contrasting music. Only Maestro can cross boundaries like this with enormous ease shedding all Tamizh flavor behind and dissolving into their culture completely. It's hard to pick the top one in both these soundtrack. I can listen to Rama Kanavemira any number of times for its innocence in SPB's voice, absorbing reeti gowlai and for its colloquial touches, as if the song is specially made for us. Most important a great twist at the end of the song by KV, daring I say!

groucho070

22nd December 2011, 06:50 AM

Murali-sir, your cameo in this thread is a great bonus. Thanks for the info (I was right about the differing format).

App, my fav in Sippikkul Muthu is yet to come :wink: (ironic for a guy who's not into mythology).

Plum

22nd December 2011, 07:53 AM

Ah! Godavari delight! I don't know which song affengine has started with - but let me assume it is suvvi suvvi.

It is no wonder only vatapathra saayi was passed by app - the rest soak a pure telugu godavari flavour not easily transferrable to kaaverikarai appengine.

Vatapathra has the underlying classical flavour - although Vairam fails to translate the ethos of the song spectacularly and I don't blame him because he had very little scope in this song - that seems to have salvaged it as a common song between telgu and tamil. What's more, it was tuned to lyrics in telugu so VM had a tough task and hard to blame him for this one.

Coming back to Suvvi Suvvi - that catchphrase, V-S, should tell us that it is Godavari theeram, I think. From the be-sur alaap start - done a little too perfectly by SPB - to the swarams, to the thaananaa by Janaki, what a Gilchristian start to the innings! K Viswanath touched widow remarriage carefully(without alienating telugu sensibilities) but firmly here.

Just look a few posts above for Murali's note on Innale-YEK. A little miracle that this movie managed to run in Tamilnadu - I guess the telugu sensibilities that KV managed to appease took care of tamizh kalaacharam as well. There is no propoganda here but a matter of fact espousal of a woman's feelings - carefully wrapped around her (seeming) surprise, revulsion and shock at the thali episode by Kamal.

Yet, a few reels before, you have her sighing(just watch the end of the thanana interplay with the bumpkin in the beginning of this song - Janaki amma captures a thousand emotional jangling points in that one second), indulging in playful banter , listening to the bumpkin assure her that spring will return in her life - with a cynical and sighing response. (vasthundhA A nAdu, choosthAdA A painOdu) - We'll return to the lyrics later.

These are moments that capture the longing and yearning in her for a normal life just like any other young girl - and our man Raja, and Janaki go to work. SPB has a supporting role only here. KV would boldly go on to do Manasu Palike later in the movie - getting more explicit about the woman's yearnings. More about that later.

Those moments in the riverside with the innocent (whaddya call him - autistic? mentally challenged? bumpkin?) young man along with her child are her escape from the daily hell that is her household - which has turned her into a bhajan-spouting, temple-only-going vidhavai. You can see the certain amount of freedom getting reflected in the thaanananaa phrases before she ends it with a note that elegantly captures a sigh in the tune itself, perhaps reflecting the futility and the short-lived transitionary nature of her small joys here.

He is the only one who treats her like a normal young woman who has feelings - the rest are traditionally bound to expect her to play a role - that of a widow. The interludes are awesome here, and if you dont feel wet with the waters of Godavari on your body, you are Shakespeare's villain fit only for treasons, strategems and spoils. I'll leave it to V_S to talk about the percussion and the rhythm structure, and the progression of this through the song, in maximum pleasure mode in the interludes. Let me focus on the emotions.

The first interlude normalises the relationship between Radhika and Kamal, as she hesitantly but irresistibly is drawn towards the innocence of the young man, and his antics that treat her like any other young woman. It is her oasis - and the violins play at medium tempo without soaring or ebbing. Specifically, immediately after the first burst of violins in the first interlude, there is a splashing gurgling kind of sound - which is not a special effect but a normal tune played by an instrument, wherein lies the genius of Raja - which gives you the feel of floating in water or wetting your feet in a vast expanse of water that Godavari is. As the relationship between the two warms, he is moved enough to relate her story to that of Sita - although it is unfair to blame her husband for kicking the bucket; the husband wasnt given much choice in the matter, was he? - the lyrics go thus in the first stanza:

andA dhanDa undAlani
kOdhandA ramuni nammukuntE
gundE lEni manushallE
ninu kondA kOnallak odhulEshAdA

You came to Ayodhya with grand dreams of living peacefully ever after but what did Sri Rama do - I hope I escape the wrath of Raja_Fan, I am just translating Sir, I am not making this up - he left you to the elements in the unforgiving jungles and mountains like a heartless fiend.

(I am not sure this translated effectively in VM's lyrics)

The beauty of this is you can ask is a bumpkin(autistic?) capable of making such eloquent comparisions. But if you have dealt with children, you know precisely that they are the ones who can invoke these analogies so easily. A later sequence in the movie establishes how the Rama kadha is an integral part of the village culture - Kamal can be seen predicting and performing upcoming parts of the story even as the song progresses, implying that he is familiar with the story

groucho070

22nd December 2011, 07:57 AM

Plum? Plum? Halloo? Crap, someone got to him, Mods round up the usual suspect (Vinodh, Ajay, for now) please.

V_S

22nd December 2011, 08:12 AM

:lol:
Plumgaaru, what happened, please complete it.

Plum

22nd December 2011, 09:00 AM

:lol: - nadu nadula vElaiyum paNNanumla? Multi tasking, Grouch, multi-tasking(contrary to conventional belief around these parts, generously promoted by myself, I do a lot of productive work at office :lol:) . Anyway, continuing:

Plum

22nd December 2011, 09:06 AM

So, it is not surprising that he connects the plight of Radhika to Seethamma's misery at the hands of Rama(as I pointed out, the analogy is even inappropriate but he is too naïve to notice, isn't he?).

He has internalised that story very much. aggilOnA dhooki - poovvu
moggAlAga thElina nuvvu
neggEvammA oka nAdu -
ningi nElA nee ThOdu

You came out of the agnipariksha unscathed like a fresh bud; you will come out of this misery as well; the elements are with you

The amount of negizhvu she feels at this innocent vote of confidence and hope is caught in a minutely extended suvvi before the second interlude. Look at how she hurries through the rest of the suvvis, perhaps telling herself that the real world Is far too harsh for her to wallow in the pretty picture painted by her friend. Now, comes the second interlude, my favourite.

Plum

22nd December 2011, 11:02 AM

I have spoken about the second interlude, beautifully picturised as the brass pot floats down the Godavari; Raja throws in a flute piece there, with an underlying sound I know not made of what instruments that make you feel you are drawing a potful of water from Godavari, carefully perched on a shallow bank corner. Then, as the interlude progresses, that beautiful shot of Kamal rowing round and round on his makeshift boat. The next stanza captures the next level of exchanges as the relationship progresses, he is matter of fact about her plight but all the more child-like in his assurance of better days to come.
(first two lines I forget)
pattina grahanam vidisi - nee
bathukuna punnami pandaga gadiyA
ochEnnammA oka nAdu - choosthunnAdu painOdu

The eclipse that has shadowed your life shall disappear; a glowing full moon shall adorn your life one day....the fellow up there is watching over you.

Here, Raja/KV allow Radhika to break down almost, sighing loudly
osthundhA A nAdu - choosthAdA
A painOdu

Shall that day come? Is He really watching over my fate?

Here, KV goes the full distance in his espousal of a widowed woman's feelings and yearnings for a fuller life. Telugu sensibility or not, this is a woman who, encumbered by the tradition, is yearning for a normal life a la other young women. Janaki smoothly walks away with the (wo)man of the match for this innings here with a wistful, sighing rendition at this point. SPB is the hero of this thread, but Janaki is the heroine of this song...

And just now I realised, app engine has written about Manasu Palike first. Never mind, I will restore cosmic balance by writing about it when app features Suvvi Suvvi.

Plum

22nd December 2011, 11:05 AM

Needless to say, the song plays automatically in the mind as soon as I see Swathi Muthyam on print. Sadly, age is catching up and I seem to have forgotten some lines but never mind, the interludes are firmly implanted in the mind. Lyrics were written by someone else, after all. Raja's work will stay in the mind, eh? Firmly sticking to that conviction.

groucho070

22nd December 2011, 11:30 AM

:clap: Awesome Plum. It must be tough to remove the VF Hunter uniform, and don back IR/KV fan uniform. Wish I could see the Tamizh/Telugu lyrics side by side in full, the Telugu one translated. Wishful thinking...

Plum

22nd December 2011, 01:15 PM

Not tough at all grouch - remember, multi-tasking? ;-)

Punnaimaran

22nd December 2011, 01:20 PM

Excellent Plum. It made me want to watch this song immediately rather than the one posted. Even I would like the lyrics in Telugu with the translation.(not trans-literation as people tend to do regularly)

Plum

22nd December 2011, 02:30 PM

(Translation pOtturukkEnE).

Plum

22nd December 2011, 02:35 PM

Emotionally, Swathi Muthyam has a bigger hook than Saagara Sangamam in terms of songs - as V-S put it, the latter celebrates art an intelllect although KV being KV the human relationship touches are there but the former is full-on IR only territory - subtle emotions, specific milieu, tenderness in relationships. This piece iR only fossible. As a bonus, I-d like to pick "Enadu Vidi poni" from Sri KanakaMahalaxmi drama troupe", a later movie but is picked from a crucial BGM piece of this song. Coincidentally, the lyrics of that song have relevance to Swathi Muthyam's situation, too.

PARAMASHIVAN

22nd December 2011, 03:16 PM

Excellent Film (Sirpikul muthu), kamal simply excels! These kinds of roles are tailor made for kamal Ji :notworthy: I like "Thuzhi thuzhi neepadama seethaiyamma" , "raaman kathai keladi" and "Varamthantha saamiku" by PS more than any other songs.

I would like to mention, this is one of the song in which SPB hits Lower octave(note1) alias Muthalankattai with ease in the beginning of the song thulli thulli, most singers struggle extremely to achieve this, even the classically trained one (with the exception of Dr KJY/ Dr BMK). Only SPB possible!
:clap:

App anna , eagerly waiting for your experience with this song :)

genesis

22nd December 2011, 09:11 PM

It is suffocating to read Plum's post, it oozing with Telugu pride. (I am not saying it is bad... but I think he gets very emotional with KV movies for some unknown reason). So to bring us back to ground...here is my 2 cents.

While KV's Sanakarabaranam and Saagara Sangamam are great movies, I feel "Swathi Muthyam" and "Subha Sankalpam" are fake - particularly Subha Sankalpam. I **guess** the main reason is the first 2 movies told the story of Telugu Brahmin families, whereas other 2 do not.

Plum - What community does the hero and heroine belong to in Swathi Muthyam? I believe they are not TB, right?

As an outsider (non-Telugu), I could be totally wrong.

V_S

22nd December 2011, 09:15 PM

A Stellar one Plum! :notworthy: You have minutely identified every piece of this composition and given an in-depth analysis. I could not pick the better ones as everything was best. As I read your narration with some excellent lyrics translation, all the musical elements comes along without any hinderance, especially the second interlude, divine! You said it all.

"if you dont feel wet with the waters of Godavari on your body, you are Shakespeare's villain fit only for treasons, strategems and spoils." ---> Only Plum fossible! :D

I felt wet, but this time in my eyes too! Your write-up tempts me to watch this extra-ordinary film again, will be watching it tonight.

PARAMASHIVAN

22nd December 2011, 09:25 PM

While KV's Sanakarabaranam and Saagara Sangamam are great movies,

IMHO, I would Rate KVM's Shanaraparanam much higher than Saagara Sangamam in terms of Both the story line and music wise, Shankaraparanam was heavily Carnatic based music, where else Saagara Sangamam was more or less like "semi classical".

And again IMHO , you can not beat KVM in Heavy Carnatic based music!

app_engine

22nd December 2011, 10:20 PM

Plum,
:clap:
:clap:
:clap:

It took swAthymuthyam to get you into cracking form!

This is called writing (compared to "reporting" or "musing" that I typically do in all my posts)!
:thumbsup:

I'm sure we'll have great treat from you for the rest of the week!

app_engine

22nd December 2011, 11:11 PM

After that series of phenomenal write-ups by Plum, there's not much interesting that I can write about 'thuLLiththuLLi nee pAdammA' :-)

Still, for the sake of record keeping, I'll do a post on that song today. Those who do not want to read about Cbe-1986 can ignore it :-)

app_engine

23rd December 2011, 12:01 AM

#236 துள்ளித்துள்ளி நீ பாடம்மா, சீதையம்மா
(சிப்பிக்குள் முத்து, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3377'&lang=en)

My only 'not-so-fav-part' of this song is the 'thuLLee-thuLLee-thuLLee-thuLLiththuLLiththuLLi' portion which almost sounds like making fun of the song. I'm ok with the thuLLi word and the thuLLiththuLLi in the pallavai also - they are good and jell well. But the multiple thuLLees in the end of the saraNam and elsewhere in the song sound comical to me. It should have been replaced with some swarAs or humming or even instrumentals so as to not dilute the greatness of the song. After the phenomenal start by SPB-SJ with swarAs and having an extremely lovely melody / terrific interludes, the song's greatness had been reduced somewhat by this comical repeat. Strictly MO. It may not be such an earsore in the original. (There are similar issues with other songs as well for me -e.g. SJ singing like a child in another - that brought down the album in my personal rating and making it inferior to salangai oli).

Ofcourse, the movie is very good - Radhika is adequate for the role (comparing with JP of salangai oli will be an akramam ofcourse) and though I've not taken bath in Godavari, I can onRify with the story / sentiments / sensibilities / sensitivities. On many scenes shed thArai thArai during each watch. While IR scores over KV in SO by miles, KV walks of as the winner, IMO, in SM. (Just for record, I've crossed Godavari on train a number of times and royalgrape is a place I wanted to visit many times but could never go beyond the rly station).

OK, like I mentioned before, watched this in Cbe , possibly in one of those theaters around the central bus stand in Gandhipuram, don't remember...may be somewhere else, but my mind is wandering around the Gandhipuram area for the last few days. There was no Ukkadam terminus (western outskirts of Cbe) where mofussil buses stopped in 1986 so Palakkad buses came to the Gandhipuram and I had a ton of favourite places to wander in that area :-)

To start with, "Ashoka Plaza" , a shopping complex right next to the bus stand where there was this music shop that played terrific music. There was a cassette disti on 1st floor and the ground floor had City Color Lab that gave me fantastic pictures. (Many of my friends recommended IAB, Indian Art Buerau at x-cut road for prints but I loved this place that gave bright output and one of my pictures of sooryOdhayam at Palakkad was such a lovely one that I used it as a greeting card 100's of times). It was fun to give the Konica roll (was called Sakura during college days and we used to buy in Trichy burma bazAr and get one hour prints in the Sevana hotel) and wander in the Gandhipuram area before getting the prints :-)

"Wander" means, spend time in the cassette shops, sometimes buy clothes, visit one or other of Annapoorna's in the area (one right in bus stand, one in the entrance of x-cut road, one in lachchumi complex...well, x-cut road + lachchumi complex deserve a separate post), have tea / thEngA bun / bun-butter etc in one of the tea-shops with music etc. What a simple life, carefree and full of fun those days! I still remember one tea-shop close to Thiruvalluvar state bus stand that had such a classic sweet-bun served with butter and 'iLamai idhO idhO' for Dec 31 night:-) Close to the aarvee / amaravathi hotel...

al_gates

23rd December 2011, 12:13 AM

App...pls continue :-D

genesis

23rd December 2011, 12:33 AM

#236 துள்ளித்துள்ளி நீ பாடம்மா, சீதையம்மா
(சிப்பிக்குள் முத்து, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3377'&lang=en)
To start with, "Ashoka Plaza" , a shopping complex right next to the bus stand where there was this music shop that played terrific music. There was a cassette disti on 1st floor and the ground floor had City Color Lab that gave me fantastic pictures. (Many of my friends recommended IAB, Indian Art Buerau at x-cut road for prints but I loved this place that gave bright output and one of my pictures of sooryOdhayam at Palakkad was such a lovely one that I used it as a greeting card 100's of times). It was fun to give the Konica roll (was called Sakura during college days and we used to buy in Trichy burma bazAr and get one hour prints in the Sevana hotel) and wander in the Gandhipuram area before getting the prints :-)

App - Nice memories from Coimbatore. I have also bought few cassettes from the shop in Ashoka Plaza. Lakshmi complex was one of our favorite hang-out place in my late-teen years.

By the way, post a link to your sooryOdhayam picture please (with Holiday greetings?!)

app_engine

23rd December 2011, 12:33 AM

al_gates,
Are you from Kovai by any chance?

Plum says I'm kAverikkarai which is not correct (ofcourse my wife is from there). namakku ellaththaNNiyum konjam-konjam taste irukku, including siruvANi (claimed to be the second best water in the world by Kovai people :lol2:)

app_engine

23rd December 2011, 12:39 AM

By the way, post a link to your sooryOdhayam picture please (with Holiday greetings?!)

Unforuntately, I don't have it here anymore :-(

There may still be a copy somewhere in India...it had a tall tree, almost totally dark & two people walking below it (don't know who but the lodge mates) and the sun light emerging from the Palakkad fort area...I even had a big size print those days...onnaiyum ippO kANom...

al_gates

23rd December 2011, 01:20 AM

al_gates,
Are you from Kovai by any chance?

I did few years of primary schooling there.

Plum says I'm kAverikkarai which is not correct (ofcourse my wife is from there). namakku ellaththaNNiyum konjam-konjam taste irukku, including siruvANi (claimed to be the second best water in the world by Kovai people :lol2:)[/QUOTE]

I know kovai people who says you can find dead cows and goats in Siruvani water sources :roll::roll: But yes, the 2nd sweetest water is a popular claim too :)

al_gates

23rd December 2011, 01:46 AM

To start with, "Ashoka Plaza" , a shopping complex right next to the bus stand where there was this music shop that played terrific music. There was a cassette disti on 1st floor and the ground floor had City Color Lab that gave me fantastic pictures. (Many of my friends recommended IAB, Indian Art Buerau at x-cut road for prints but I loved this place that gave bright output and one of my pictures of sooryOdhayam at Palakkad was such a lovely one that I used it as a greeting card 100's of times). It was fun to give the Konica roll (was called Sakura during college days and we used to buy in Trichy burma bazAr and get one hour prints in the Sevana hotel) and wander in the Gandhipuram area before getting the prints :-)

"Wander" means, spend time in the cassette shops, sometimes buy clothes, visit one or other of Annapoorna's in the area (one right in bus stand, one in the entrance of x-cut road, one in lachchumi complex...well, x-cut road + lachchumi complex deserve a separate post), have tea / thEngA bun / bun-butter etc in one of the tea-shops with music etc. What a simple life, carefree and full of fun those days! I still remember one tea-shop close to Thiruvalluvar state bus stand that had such a classic sweet-bun served with butter and 'iLamai idhO idhO' for Dec 31 night:-) Close to the aarvee / amaravathi hotel...

I cant remember Ashoka Plaza, but I do remember Singapore Plaza which had the weird address of '333 cross cut road'. I dont know the photo labs in that road as I was too small to dabble in cameras then. But it is news to me that the cross cut road IAB was there in 1986 itself. For me the most important landmark there was Vasantham Stores. I could never understand why this guy named his store like a furniture/vessel store when you could pick up any sort of school/college textbook there. :banghead: It was more of a stationary shop-cum-Higginbothams. (And then the bus route #36 was often my preferred route to gandhipuram...I often took that bus as I was very excited that a conductor on the bus looked like Kapil Dev!)

but anyway, the main reason I'm writing is I was hauled up at a relative's place that very month you described. It was great freedom from me, as for that one month, I was able to move from the nasty-no-seat School bus, to catchign a town bus to school(like the Big boys). The travel from DB Road to Hopes was enjoyable as I would usually get a place to sit. I dont rememebr the route number but it would get really crowded soon and my only option was to look out the window, and that route had a ton of cinema posters. I couldnt help noticing from the posters that apparently there was one guy who had all the garish megasize posters and he seemed to have ridiculously insane luck with the ladies. Wherever I looked, he was there and onto something... This dumb kid didnt know that it was the bloody CM :rotfl3: :rotfl3: :rotfl3:

Dec 86 was the time I completed my first novel(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man-Eater_of_Malgudi) and I often spent time on the terraces with a transistor listening to the Ind-SL cricket series. The last day of that year, I saw the end of this game:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63450.html

Gavaskar batted low down the order and hammered 74 off 79 balls to set up the declaration, going berserk with some crazy six hitting. Later on the day, Ratnayake was caught off his pads and Mendis tried to hammer his way out, with 6 fours in his 38. Late that night, DD featured a program Images-86, an hour long review of the days events, after Uday Bir Saran Das' 9:50pm Eng news.

App, I should have joined you for that late night tea :mrgreen:

genesis

23rd December 2011, 05:18 AM

I cant remember Ashoka Plaza, but I do remember Singapore Plaza

Ashoka Plaza was/is adjacent to the bus stand on Sathy Road - There was a theater behind Ashoka Plaza (mostly screened either mallu matter movies or Hindi movies). Google map shows that theater has been demolished now. Singapore Plaza came-in little later, may be late 80s, on X-cut road, more or less near power house bus stop (The famous loop Route# 7 - You need to know whether it is going CW or CCW). When Singapore Plaza opened that part of X-cut road used to be dark!! I bought my first "Flying machine" jeans at Cambridge store, Singapore plaza. I think it was my first or second year in college.

Plum

23rd December 2011, 07:38 AM

Genesis, Sorry about the notes on Vairamuthu. It is such an awful prism - dubbed telugu movie with an alien milieu for him, and a tune tailored for another language - to look at him through. That aside, I suppose I have noted about KV's lack of comfort with the milieu he set Subha Sankalpam in. I think you are right about Swathi Muthyam too, though I can't remember now exactly. It could be non-brahmin protagonists but if it is, KV does fail to evoke the same authenticity as the previous ones. Swathi Muthyam focussed more on inter-personal relationships, and milked some nice sentimental mish mash out of it, not to mention the (autism?) of the protagonist, and the widow remarriage theme. Despite all those memes, there is no specific focus on any of those aspects - the focus seems to be on kamal and his performance, a very good choice one might add, from a cinematic perspective. A good movie to celebrate Kamal, the performer as against Kamal, the creator. Possibly, by this time Kamal, the performer had accrued enough credit for his lifetime that even a zero count of good performances after that would not have reduced his standing as an actor/performer. Which is why I wish for the termination of the performer now and sole focus on the creator in him.

V_S

23rd December 2011, 07:57 AM

App,
Excellent post :clap: I can visualize your days there. Brought back lot of fond memories of coimbatore that too in 1986, my first year in college. I can write days and days about Coimbatore. Fine place! First time felt the freedom (away from home) and world looked so different and beautiful and we can roam wherever we wanted without any limit. Yes, our favorite time pass most of the time was in Lakshmi complex. I used to get so many cassettes recorded in the 2nd floor shop in Lakshmi Complex (forgot the shop name). Down, we had that great and tasty Gowri Shankar (so cheap compared to hotels in Chennai, that time, not sure now). Every night, we will be in one or other theatre, taking rented bicycles (fun part was, on return, leaving the bicycles at our college ground itself and escape). Who can forget those messes, where they beat every Annapoornas to shame. Round kattal that time in every mess when we were sick of hostel food. Let me stop here before going overboard.

Coming to the song, nice observation App on the multiple thuLLi (suvvi) part. :thumbsup: It will definitely be distracting and kiddish when just listening to the song, but I think that was intentional on Maestro's part not to force another lyrics as the fun element would be lost, as Radhika was not not happy with her life and still dreaming about her fate and Kamal sings to cheer her up. You can hear that when SJ sings and cries in between. 'MaNNavan uNNai maranthathenna'. To boost her, these many 'thuLLi' was added to bring her out of sorrow. This is evident when the song finishes in the same fashion. Please hear when SJ ends 'Anbillai naan aada (that haan! excellent SJ), thoLillai naan poo pOda' and SPB finishes with thuLLi thuLLi thuLLi (without further extending). No other words or humming at the end would have done justice there, as I think first time Kamal realizes her sOgam as against the 'thuLLal' he just had during the song. So when SPB sings the last (third) 'ThuLLi', you can hear how SPB sings it differently in a painful tone, as Kamal got that sOgam into him and that's where the twist we see at the end of 'Rama Kanavemira'. Ultimately he wants her to be happy forgetting her past, hence his action.

(DTS version as said by uploader, but wonderful to listen in headphones).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXF4HYjLwXA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tLYhiSVLv0 (Thamizh version)

groucho070

23rd December 2011, 08:02 AM

V_S thanks for the link. You keep insisting on making me cry :smile: what a performance, from everyone. This video, they slapped the stereo CD/Cassette version onto the clip that had original mono sound.

groucho070

23rd December 2011, 08:03 AM

By the way, can you see NT there? Or is it just me, being NT crazed?

V_S

23rd December 2011, 08:22 AM

You are welcome grouch. Absolutely terrific performances. After successfully doing the initial aalap, Kamal feels ecstatic and runs towards the water, but suddenly stops there for a moment (to our surprise) with one leg and then steps into it. :notworthy: I use to love this scene very much. Thorough innocence can be seen in him. Still we are searching such type of talent in the current generation of actors, only to be disappointed.

groucho070

23rd December 2011, 08:27 AM

Still we are searching such type of talent in the current generation of actors, only to be disappointed.We'd still be searching when we have grandkids

Plum: Enough with Kamaltheactor already :argh:

Plum

23rd December 2011, 08:37 AM

App, I think I specifically noted the reason for multiple thullis earlier in my posts and V-S has reinforced that as well - I think it is all deliberately thought out(or spontaneously formed as is the usual case with Raja). After the first stanza, Radhika is slowly drawn towards the happy interludes that the mornings on Godavari side give her with this innocent young man. She probably is convincing herself that the relationship with this man is pure, and I guess the village sees it in the same light but perhaps, his innocent utterances on spring returning to her life slowly chip at her mind as well - the transition to second interlude has her hurrying away with a bunch of "suvvis", perhaps as a reminder to herself that the joy is transient and thw white-sareed, temple-going role is her permanent fate. Lot of nuances there. The ending of the song, app has explained. But you are right, as a pop song listener, they are jarring. Incidentally, I was wondering in the 2011 best songs trend whether context, milieu had no meaning any more in pop music appreciation in reference to Vaagai Sooda Vaa, a movie apparently set in a parched rural TN village in the 60s. You wouldn't know it from the songs, nor from Chinmayee's singing, yet it is widely appreciated as a fine debut by the MD. I guess the pop music standards have shifted. I mean, it is not as if Swathi Muthyam was merely functional, merely faithful to its setting - these were also immensely popular songs. Looks like it will be a long time before we get a harmonious marriage of the two aspects again in TFM.

V_S

23rd December 2011, 09:16 AM

Very well explained again Plum! :thumbsup: Now it gets more interesting to see from Radhika's angle. That's why this song gets more and more interesting. We can either view at Kamal's angle or at Radhika's angle.
SPB sings first time 'thuLLi thuLLi nee paadamma seethaiyamma, nee kaNNeer vittaal thaangadhamma'. When SPB sings second time, Maestro asks SJ to take over exactly at 'nee kaNNeer vittaal thaangadhamma' showing her (Radhika's) care for this innocent man, which transforms altogether at the end of the song. Another beauty is, the song has more lines for SPB, while SJ only has few portions in between. So aurally it is more of SPB's (Kamal) song, on the other hand, visually it is more of SJ's (Radhika) song. That's where KV scores.

app_engine

23rd December 2011, 10:36 AM

Great going V_Sji & Plum :clap:

thiruvizhA in thread :-)

app_engine

23rd December 2011, 10:37 AM

BTW, your "balancing post" on uthattil thodangu song is due, Plum :wink:

crvenky

24th December 2011, 04:57 PM

1st interlude of Thulli Thulli song is slightly different in Telugu version, in the starting portion. After the 'kudam thattifying' sound there is a small chorus (sounds IRish) which sounds really smoothing. Looks like that portion was edited out in the Tamil version.

app_engine

25th December 2011, 07:16 AM

#237 ராமன் கதை கேளுங்கள்
(சிப்பிக்குள் முத்து, 1986 , ஷைலஜாவுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3376'&lang=en)

SPB special - in short. As mentioned many times in the hub, reethigowLai rAgA based kathA kalAkshEba number. With frequent variations in tune, rAsA keeps the interest alive (while the lines are of nursery rhyme standard). Like V_Sji reminded us in his post, a pivotal song for the movie as there's a big turn of events with this song.

Like I mentioned before, my original intention was to continue the Cbe stuff. However, my thoughts about Cbe led me to the first-ever visit to that town that happened during school days when mom's sis was living in Palladam and in turn to her hubby (my beloved chiththappA who is no more) who is my personal-life equivalent of SPB and I'll have to dedicate this post for him. His life is in many ways like a movie story / interesting novel / mega serial and I hope this post won't be boring. (Some incidents were overheard when my chithees / mom converse and others first hand). He looked like SPB (baruman) and spoke softly like him (almost sounded like SPB voice but could not sing like him) and soft-natured (SPB appears to be that way and I would never know).

Well, his life had significant tragic events - his appA died early and he had to bear the burden of taking care of 5/6 younger siblings and gave his life to them for decades ignoring personal interests, one of his younger sisters -whom he lovingly carried on shoulders and brought up -eloped with a guy and disowned him in the court saying "I don't know this man"; after firming up his beautiful muRaippeN, underwent the pain of losing her - she didn't want to wait for years and chose to marry his own younger brother instead:-(

Finally my chithi insisted in marrying him and tied the knot despite the man being almost 15 yrs older (so, technically he was periyappA for me but chithi's hubby so we called him chithappA). He was shorter in height than chithi & less in edu and she was thoroughly dominating him every day (he didn't complain), had 3 lovely children but the first one - my beloved cousin, friend, who got infected from me the muthu comics addiction - died of cancer weeks after getting his 400+ marks SSLC results. Finally the man had kidney ailment plus some more and died before doing any subha kAriyam to the other two kids :-(

Despite all these, I had never seen him angry, shout or show any irritation! My first interaction with him was as a primary school kid when he lived in Azhagapuri (what a beautiful name) near Virudhupatti (also known as Virudhunagar where I was born in a clinic few hundred meters away from Kamarajar's home which got converted into a memorial after his death). Well, chithappA was fond of KK (though never indulged in politics himself) and the first time I saw "nava indiya" paper was in his home - ironically, it was during my first visit to his home in Palladam that KK died and I saw chithappA trying to control his sadness :-(

Now, going back to that Azhagapuri visit : well, I don't remember anything special in his home but he was taking me back to my grand parents' home in V'nagar by cycle and on the way was a place called Meesaloor. We were on the cycle in a single lane road and the sight I had that day is one of the MOST SIGNIFICANT events of my life!

On both sides of the road, there were flocks of PEACOCKS! May be a hundred of them! I have never seen anything like that before or after in the wild, ever in my life! Actually, I haven't even come across personally another person who had seen 100's of peacocks that way! What a sight! Permanently embedded in my mind and we both watched them for a long time - they weren't flying or moving either - before reluctantly leaving that spot! (I have seen peacocks - one or two in the Viralimalai area or while train travel between Madurai / V'nagar - but never flocks like this).

Well, he was always fond of me and he has a special place in my heart always! (My personal life SPB!)

Before closing this post, just another small interesting thing about him - something that pleased him very much whenever he visited his in-laws (i.e. my grand parents) at V'nagar - there was this "burmAkkadai" - fantastic roadside restaurant - near the railway gate in Muthuraman patti on Aruppukkottai road - that was his favourite place. (yummy food and he did have me with him on occasions and I can never forget the taste of those parottAs).

Well, he got tranferred to Palladam and when visiting him (at the time of death of KK) I had the opportunity to go to Cbe. Which was my first visit to that town while at school!

app_engine

25th December 2011, 07:23 AM

That post was for Friday and one more due for Saturday :-) veettula irukkumpOthu office-ai vida bayangara busy :lol2:

jaiganes

25th December 2011, 08:46 AM

@AE - may god bless his soul!!
Like raasa said in ARR felicitation - thousand flowers - but only very few find their way to a garland.
your uncle is a flower - no matter how we evaluate his life by standards of material achievements.
By posting his life here - you have made him immortal - for we all carry on in our hearts the life of
yet another honest soul. We are indeed blessed on this Christmas Eve.

V_S

25th December 2011, 08:48 PM

As Jai said, we are blessed to hear about your chittappa. There are few I know, whose life always ends in sacrifice. In-spite of all their sacrifices, people will remember only whatever little mistakes (again only in their perspective) he does rather than their sacrifices and blindly ignore them. Normally I have seen these blessed souls are strict just not to exhibit the love he has for them, as he might fear losing the balance. But these are taken in different angle by others and misinterpreted. Reading about your chittappa, he goes beyond this as you described, I am totally moved. May his soul rest in peace! Thanks App for sharing!

rajaramsgi

26th December 2011, 05:07 AM

well said all of you..

There is one thing about this movie that I never got answer for..When kamal movies are dubbed in telugu, it is SPB who always lends his voice in telugu for Kamal. Any one knows why SPB spoke for kamal in tamil in this movie? I think this is the only tamil movie where someone else gave dubbing voice for kamal.

genesis

26th December 2011, 11:50 PM

Thinking of KV's movies over the weekend, KV is just a updated version of Bheem Singh - mostly banked on emotional sentiment.

Incidentally, I was wondering in the 2011 best songs trend whether context, milieu had no meaning any more in pop music appreciation in reference to Vaagai Sooda Vaa, a movie apparently set in a parched rural TN village in the 60s. You wouldn't know it from the songs, nor from Chinmayee's singing, yet it is widely appreciated as a fine debut by the MD. I guess the pop music standards have shifted. I mean, it is not as if Swathi Muthyam was merely functional, merely faithful to its setting - these were also immensely popular songs. Looks like it will be a long time before we get a harmonious marriage of the two aspects again in TFM.

If I extend your logic, we shall not have any songs in movies. In real life, people do not sing and dance, only in reel life. Moreover, today music business is very different from that of IR period. In his time, there was no music launch, no promos, no FM channels, no music reviewers. It is unfair to compare 2 different eras. As I pointed out in the other thread, the music of Sri Rama Rajyam falls in the same category. I personally think Sri Rama Rajyam songs do not sound like from a mythological movie.

IMHO, recent Tamil movies of village subject (Kalavani, Then Merku Paruvakaatru, Mynaa) are portraying villages with more authenticity, than the "Ramarajan Era" village movies of 90s. If you have not watched, VSV is worth watching.

jaiganes

27th December 2011, 12:16 AM

Thinking of KV's movies over the weekend, KV is just a updated version of Bheem Singh - mostly banked on emotional sentiment.

If I extend your logic, we shall not have any songs in movies. In real life, people do not sing and dance, only in reel life. Moreover, today music business is very different from that of IR period. In his time, there was no music launch, no promos, no FM channels, no music reviewers. It is unfair to compare 2 different eras. As I pointed out in the other thread, the music of Sri Rama Rajyam falls in the same category. I personally think Sri Rama Rajyam songs do not sound like from a mythological movie.

IMHO, recent Tamil movies of village subject (Kalavani, Then Merku Paruvakaatru, Mynaa) are portraying villages with more authenticity, than the "Ramarajan Era" village movies of 90s. If you have not watched, VSV is worth watching.
those were days when a slight shift to a local slang would invite a "onyume purileengn" from the distributor who might be.. for all you know from andhra!!!
nowadays the rigor in setting up the mise-en-scene is considerably high and appreciably so. I had to see Paruththiveeran 3 times to understand what was being spoken by a few characters... and that is the flip side of it..

genesis

27th December 2011, 01:04 AM

Good point Jai - Movie makers did what they need to do in different times.

In the last 10 years or so, Hindi movie industry has moved far ahead of Tamil/Telugu in terms of story subjects and style. Tamil industry is trying to pull ahead itself, but the big heros are holding it back (Vijay, Simbu, Ajit, Rajni and of course Kamal). Malayalam industry was really good in 80s and early 90s, but their standard is very low now.

The big power house Telugu industry is showing no sign of changing still producing huge budget mythological movies (Magadheera, SRR) also influencing both Tamil and Malayalam industries negatively.

app_engine

27th December 2011, 01:37 AM

nanRi jaiganes, really touched!

Thank you V_Sji!

I'm behind a little bit (holidays / travel)...will try to catch up :-)

app_engine

27th December 2011, 02:51 AM

#238 கண்ணோடு கண்ணான என் கண்ணா
(சிப்பிக்குள் முத்து, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3372'&lang=en)

Very sweet singing by SPB! rAsA in playful mood with that solo violin (that almost sounds like kottAnguchchi violin) :-) He also indulges in his lovely chords + signature tabla rhythm but switches to sweet mridh stuff / country drums here and there making the song palatable to those with a taste for rAsA-brand-TN-folk songs. SJ sounds sweet when she sings for Radhika but irritates when singing for the boy :-(

Overall a nice, enjoyable song! I've never had any song other than lAlee lAlee in my personal recordings but frequently heard this number in a variety of places / settings. One such was in the marriage of a co-worker in a village between Palakkad & Pollachi (near Chithoor) and was quite amused because it was not so common in that area to hear movie songs in marriage functions (very much part of the TN culture but not seen so much in Kerala, even in Palakkad district). Also, unlike childhood when any song got played in marriages the corresponding movie scene never popped up in mind, nowadays I was conscious of the proceedings going on in the function and felt how they are totally not connected to the movie scene (that popped up in mind) and was often amused :-)

Now, moving to Cbe, I'm reminded of the x-cut road of 80's. It used to be crowded from the Gowri Shankar on the entrance to the Singapore Plaza that al_gates talked about but will suddenly be without much pavement walkers after that and there won't be much crowd till vada kOvai. There used to be a railway gate near the end of x-cut road close to vadakOvai (& close to the vadakovai rly station) which was such a big irritant for bus travellers those days. (The businesses around that place had strong ADMK connections and stalled the flyover project all the days that MGR ruled / lived).

Anyways, there was this Lakshmi Complex in the middle of the crowded part of the road, a great place that I visited umpteen number of times during bachelor days (remember, after a > 1 hour bus ride from Palakkad, a town in another state). Ofcourse, AnnapoornA Gowrishankar (and the "colorful crowd" in the complex) was one of the reasons. There were a couple of rabbits that played around in the lawn in the middle of the complex, which was a nice watch as well. But the primary reason was, ofcourse, cassette shops & the sweet music that got played by them that filled the air around! It was such a great thing for me (and I at times tortured my friends / collegues who weren't that much into TFM appreciation but had to hang around with me but they didn't complain as there were enough of the "other attraction" anyways). Almost all of those rAsA sweeties of 1986-1990 were thorougly enjoyed by me in the first floor of lachchumi complex on many evenings! Also, during that whole period (and even years afterwards), that was the place for me to buy "towels" (thOLil pOda illai, kuLichchuthukkappuRam thuvatta) that were supposedly of "export kwality" in the shop next to the restaurant!

If I'm correct, that restaurant in the complex was the smallest of theirs but extremely crowded & extra clean. At times one could watch families ordering the "family masAl dOsai" - a huge one that was from end to end of the table and everyone eating a portion. (Can someone from NJ / CA or Chicago / Atlanta areas confirm if any of the Indian restaurants do similar stuff anywhere in the USA?)

app_engine

27th December 2011, 03:35 AM

#239 தர்மம் சரணம் கச்சாமி (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3371'&lang=en)

மற்றும்

பட்டுச்சேலை தரேனுன்னு
(சிப்பிக்குள் முத்து, 1986 , ஷைலஜாவுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3375'&lang=en)

It's funny to listen to the peculiar concoction of the Buddhist word (kachchAmi), filmy-Muslim-song-sounds (tontoing tontoing at the end of each beat cycle) & kottAkguchchi violin sound :lol2: rAsA was obviously in a very playful mood when doing this number. Ofcourse, the scene in the movie is not at all playful but made me cry.

Also, though the pattuchchElai number often got played because it was part of the package, I don't think it merits a separate post in its own right. (OTOH, such short numbers in BR films always created stronger impressions - like darisanam kidaikkAdhA, vizhiyil vizhundhu, Eh kiLiyirukku, ERAdha malai mElE, Eh kuruvi, dAs dAs chinnappa dAs dAs etc, none of which had SPB).

I don't remember listening to the sOga version of lAlee lAlee (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3378'&lang=en)before on cassettes or other broadcasts. But it does have SPB :-) However, since it's not the primary version of the number (i.e. in my books), it won't have a separate post here. rAsA had made his typical instrumental adjustments to bring the sOga mood to the song and SPB & PS exhibit the needed emotions as usual.

As a 'sElai' song is featured, I'm reminded of another connection to the x-cut road, the "authorised Garden a/c showroom" from which I got my first-ever-purchase-for-sis. It was after this that I noticed that my mom, her sisters & my sisters freely exchanged their sarees with each other :shock: (The same thing happens with my wife, her sisters & mom as well, even though each of them have 100's of sarees). I'm totally confused about this general behaviour among saree-wearing-women as I never liked to "share" another person's dresses ever. (Note : This doesn't mean 'handing down' of clothes. My ever-getting-tall-cousin's clothes were handed down to me during school days and they were my favourites. Same happened with mine to younger ones -nowadays, even my son sometimes grabs some shirts / pants of mine. However, these are on "non-returnable" basis and permanent transfers.)

The "borrow-for-one-day-one-wedding-one-function-thing" that is common with saree-wearing-women is another cultural facet of TN!

app_engine

27th December 2011, 03:38 AM

With that post, we come to the end of swAthi muthyam songs ( we still need to get detailed posts from Plum & V_S on all the songs). And for the sake of a-song-a-day, we are covered till Dec-25 (Sun).

One more song is due for today :-)

app_engine

27th December 2011, 04:29 AM

#240 பொன்னி நதி
(முதல் வசந்தம், 1986 , இது ராசா எப்போ போட்ட பாட்டு?) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2136'&lang=en)

groucho had asked about the real timing of this song sometime back. Since this is a lazy afternoon with everyone on siesta allowing me hub-time (here in my sis' home in upstate NY), tried to do some googling / careful listen etc. I have heard this song a few times on buses etc before but never paid a close listen like today. I'm more or less sure this must be from late 70's, sounding more GKV-ish (even MSV-ish) or north-indianish in orchestral arrangements. Definitely not the full-blown rAsA style of 1986 (one even hears bongos in the start of the saraNam - something very untypical of later-day-rAsA.)

Ofcourse, the 'ARu athu Azham illa' (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2132'&lang=en) of the same movie is his agmark later-80's style. So, it was tailor-made for the Manivannan movie without any doubt. (Per Sureshji's post on another thread, it was a special kind of inspiration from some old Hindi song). The MV song kuyilukkoru niRamirukku (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2134'&lang=en)is likewise a definite 1986 product, going by the sounds of MV's voice. Same goes with SJ's summA thodavum mAttEn (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2138'&lang=en)which appears to be tailor-made.

However, as known from the history, Manivannan had the practice of "buying" songs from unreleased movies (the well-known numbers being sOlai pushpangaLE & vadakkuththeru vaNNakkiLi of 'oomai veyil' that were used for 'ingEyum oru gangai'). Going by that history, ponni nadhi must have been a bought out number, even though the source is still to be unearthed. SPB voice sounds 70's. Interestingly, the SJ number from the same movie mAnAdakkodi (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2135'&lang=en)must also be a bought-out song from late-70's or early-80's from an unreleased movie as the song had orchestration from the 'muLLum malarum' 1978 era. You cannot judge from SJ's voice, however, as she was a master in hiding age for the most part of her career with IR (i.e. from 1976 to 1991).

So, if someone who followed rAsA's unreleased outputs more closely and knows about the origin of ponni nadhi, please post :-)

genesis

27th December 2011, 05:15 AM

groucho070

27th December 2011, 06:57 AM

Thanks for taking your time to do some research, app. Plum too said that this is hardly Raja's song. The opening violin is not Raja at all, and yes, the bongo is 70s, mono sound. Damn, if someone can come clean with some knowledge of where this song came from, and from whom....

PARAMASHIVAN

28th December 2011, 04:02 PM

App anna

So sorry to hear about your chithappa :|

Plum

28th December 2011, 06:29 PM

I kind of lost steam on Swathi Muthyam and since I believe in our man's philosophy that you either do something spontaneously, or not at all, couldn't manufacture a post on Manasu mayangum. But there is - apologies to genesis - my usual "telugu pride" to show case and just wanted to capture one comparison: the pallavi in tamil and telugu - I think the telugu version is awesome. Here are the lines: Tamil: **** manasu mayangum mouna geetham paaaaaduuuuu...****Telugu:**** manasu palike mouna geetham neevEeee...**** telugu in my biased ears is sweeter and has the perfect phrase for the tune. I think from geetham to neevE is a smoother transition than geetham to paadu. Plus, what the telugu lyrics say: "thou art the silent symphony spoken by my heart" as opposed to "sing a silent symphony that will capture my heart" in tamil. This is ok - each has its own charm. Next line: Tamil: manmadha kadalil chippikkul muththu thEdu is nowhere before "mamathalolikE swathi muthyam neevee". The perils of dubbing as usual.

PARAMASHIVAN

28th December 2011, 06:47 PM

telugu in my biased ears is sweeter and has the perfect phrase for the tune. I think from geetham to neevE is a smoother transition than geetham to paadu.

Ithuku thaana "sunthara teluginil paatisaithu " nu TMS paadinar ? :roll:

Plum

28th December 2011, 08:43 PM

Amaamam TMS paadinaar, Kannadasan paattu adhu :)

PARAMASHIVAN

28th December 2011, 08:53 PM

Amaamam TMS paadinaar, Kannadasan paattu adhu :)

Yes, Only Kaviarasu possible :) BTW, AFAIK, all 3 dravidian languages (kannada, telugu, malayalam), originated from tamil, so what is the big deal :huh:

Plum

28th December 2011, 10:12 PM

Faramu -:). nAn edhirpArththa reaction kuduthuttInga.

PARAMASHIVAN

28th December 2011, 10:31 PM

Faramu -:). nAn edhirpArththa reaction kuduthuttInga.

Neenga itha thaan edhir parthathennu enakum theriyum Flau :lol2:

V_S

29th December 2011, 01:23 AM

Next marvel from Sippikkul Oru Muthu is 'KannOdu Kannaana En Kanna'. Even those days when we listen, we could pick up that strong telugu flavor in the lyrics, tune and singing and could not enjoy the thamizh version. So we would switch to the original to get the best essence out of it, even we could not understand telugu. It is better to listen to this song only in telugu. When we switched to telugu, we were not only comfortable, but we were in for big surprises it offered, compared to thamizh version. The phrase 'pOdamma, pOdu, nalla pOdu innum pOdu' portion is unique only to telugu version and it sounded odd in Thamizh. 'Kottu' in telugu is 'adi' in thamizh, but 'adi adi nalla adi' could not provide good translation in thamizh, so lyricist opted for 'pOdu pOdu nalla pOdu', which could not substitute the telugu word. Since pOdu is not equivalent of Kottu, it again somewhat lost in translation. But, this is not the surprise. The biggest one is how SPB sang the telugu version compared to Thamizh version. While the thamizh version he has sung mostly with his original voice and he did not jell into the character at all (completely). While in telugu he has gone berserk and completely merged into the character and that shows in his singing.

Please listen to the following telugu equivalent portions and we can clearly see this magic is lost in thamizh. I don't know why Maestro didn't want SPB to sing in similar fashion in thamizh.
Kannodu kannaana en kanna unnai evaradathar kanna, annai unnai adithaLo sami, pinju nenju valikkatho sami.... (listen when SPB sings this line second time, the starting of the song).
amma, mannai thinga naan siruvano, maayavano kirukkano.. (telugu SPB at his best by any means).
azhugai vaaraadho, enakku azhugai vaaraadho (another example of SPB's exceptional talent).

and lot more... SPB easliy outdone SJ by his sinungalgals. The ganjeera which comes in first interlude is just freaky, I don't know how many rewinds for that piece alone. The stops in between and the building up the tempo again are truly marvelous, maintaining the same 4/4 time signature (if I am not wrong).

http://www.raaga.com/play/?id=1274
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQFVMVm83KY (video version did not do justice to SPB's singing, still for Kamal's acting).

Plum

29th December 2011, 04:10 AM

Another lyric thingy v-s - amma nannu kottindhi is normal speak in telugu while "annai ennai adithaal" is neither normal speak nor elegant poetic verse...and similar comparison between rest of lyrics

app_engine

29th December 2011, 10:05 AM

App anna
So sorry to hear about your chithappa :|

Thank you Param, for the concern!
(BTW, he passed away in '95. So, it's not a recent sOgam...)

app_engine

29th December 2011, 10:08 AM

V_S-ji, Thelungu versions kEttathillai.

However, going by your descriptions, it's possible that the Thamizh recordings got handled by some assistants of rAsA (retaining the orchestral tracks)...86'la yellAm avaru bayangara busy illaiyA?

app_engine

29th December 2011, 10:22 AM

#241 யார் தூரிகை தந்த ஓவியம்
(பாரு பாரு பட்டணம் பாரு, 1986 , உமா ரமணனுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2555'&lang=en)

The first SPB-UR duet that we feature in this listing exercise:-) And the second only song where Uma Ramanan had a chance to sing with SPB out of these 241 numbers so far. (The first one was not a duet, it had SJ also - 'thAzhampoovE kaNNuRangu' of inRu nee nALai nAn). Sweet number with some lovely flute & guitar work that were characteristic of early-80's rAsA but somewhat unusual in 1986...could be that IR composed it a couple of years back and the movie waited a while to get released.

I didn't have any idea about this movie (actually I even found the name only from the web...Manobala was the director and Mohan the hero it seems). OTOH, the song was very familiar - heard a few times on buses during 80's. Interestingly, I have this song and another from the same movie from a CD that has handwritten title as "Raja-6" (perhaps the personal recording of some relative that was accidentally left in my car). Going by that, I counted it as a "possible hit". However, prior to including in this thread, I wanted to make sure if the song has some web presence (to make sure it really had a decent number of listeners at the time of arrival or later on). Well, there are a few blog posts and discussions on this song here and there. dhool has featured the lyric...so, can be counted for this thread:-)

SPB sounds very different in this song (not to my liking)...but the melody is good.

app_engine

29th December 2011, 10:39 AM

#242 தென்றல் வரும் என்னை அணைக்க
(பாரு பாரு பட்டணம் பாரு, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2554'&lang=en)

This was the other song from the same movie that I had in that disk (mentioned in my last post). SPB sounds different in this too but this one is a much more acceptable song (sweet melody & the queen in decent form). rAsA had used veeNai freely. And with his chords, drums and flute this song is quite pleasing to the ears. Unlike 'yAr thoorigai', I don't remember hearing this song ever - i.e. prior to this "history-unknown-CD". One of the reasons could be my progressively-less-time-spent-inside TN. Another could be that the songs of PPPP weren't that popular among the masses (and happened to be in a flop movie).

However, the song has youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvOScv1rjcI)presence with above-average viewings for rAsA songs of unknown movies. Interesting to see that the heroine was the same girl who called Mohanlal as 'kazhudha' in that super-duper-mega-hit Chithram :-) Since she was introduced only the prior year as a "side actress" by BR (andha nilAvaththAn nAn kaiyila pudichchEn), it's possible this was her first as heroine. After all, she did another "2nd-heroine" role with BR in another movie this year also. (podi nadaiyA pORavarE, poRuththirunga nAnum vArEn).

Her wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranjini_(actress))page doesn't mention anything about her first movie as heroine. It has some other interesting info, however - that she was Singapore born and a lawyer by education prior to acting. In any case, though she hasn't done much in TF other than the two roles she did in MM & KK, she had earned a permanent place among MF lovers thanks to the phenomenal success of chithram.

app_engine

29th December 2011, 10:43 AM

yAr thoorigai youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fEjkZXTcwI

app_engine

29th December 2011, 10:59 AM

yAr thoorigai was featured in tfmpage's SOTD when dhool was part of it (http://tfmpage.com/forum/16711.20880.03.21.22.html) :-)

I'm doing some ctrl-c / ctrl-v from there :

Sung by SPB and Uma Ramanan. Music by Ilayaraja.

- I didn't know that I had this rare song till today. I was searching for it all over! I like the way the song starts with Uma Ramanan's humming and a guitar prelude, like a hindi number. This is a delightful song, one that will probably bring back memories for quite a few of us.

- I don't know much about the movie. It was released in the mid 80s

I had the misfortune of suffering through this movie. Starring Mohan, Ranjani (?), and Vinu Chakravarthi. It was penned by Vinu Chakravarthi and if I remember correctly, preached about the evils of believing in josiyam. For some reason I remember this dappaguthu from that movie - 'thiravaay nee kannE'. I guess the trauma runs very deep. :)

While seeing this on screen, I remember mistaking Ranjani's arms at extreme closeup as Vinu's arms. :)).

(was this R the blogger Rosavasanth?)

Wonderful song! Thanks bb! There is also a solo version by SPB, which is also good. I love the place in the charanam where it goes 'Or aayiram', and also the beautiful charanam endings. 'Thendral varum' (SPB/SJ) is another excellent duet from the film, with IR's piano notes adding to the allure.

Paaru Paaru Pattanam Paaru (1986/ Kalaimani Movies) starred Mohan & Ranjini. It was directed by Manobala & produced by Perumal.
...
...
Nothing great about the film except for the songs.

I saw it in Chenglepet's Srinivasa theatre, when along with my cousin, I had gone to my uncle's house for quarterly holidays. I remember going to see this film on Aayudha Poojai day, when the two of us sitting behind my uncle on his Yezdi, had a nasty fall as the bike stumbled upon one of the many Aayudha poojai special giant size poosanikkais that were treacherously littered on the road--aana appadiyum vidaama indha (dhanda)padathai poi paarthom :))

:lol:

wanted to share some facts about the song Yaar Thoorigai seitha
ooviyam.

In the year 1991 (i think it is 1991 Jan 1) there was a musical
programme in Narada Gana Sabha in Chennai. The title was Thirai
Isaiyil Carnatic Ragangal. It was by Raja.
I was one of the fortunate to attend this live programme. Chitra,
Mano,Gangai Amaren, TV Gopalakrishnan, Balamurali, all participated
in this program. All the songs were based only on the carnatic
ragams.

Raja was mentioning about this yaar thoorigai song. He said there
was a debate with someone and the topic was In the Sarasangi Ragam,
make rishabham as sadjamam, then it is very difficult to compose or
sing, something like that. So Raja said he took it as a challenge and
composed a song in sarasangi ragam with the rishabam as sadjamam. And
that song is Yaar Thoorigai..

Needless to say, yet another master piece song from the Maestro..

was overwhelmed by your piece of information which shows another
ingenuity of IR. But for a minor correction, you are right, I think
he should have told that by making Gaandharam of Sarasangi as
Shadjam, the raga of Yaar Thoorigai is reached..! (because I tried
your version and not getting the Yaar thoorigai.. so extended the
research..)

There follows more technicalities / analysis.

Looks like some thillAlangadi song :oops:

groucho070

29th December 2011, 11:00 AM

App, lovely songs, both. Yeah, he does sound different in yAr Thoorigai song. This one, he sounds normal though, for me. The scenes are decently shot.

Ranjani = Singapore import. Big hoo-haa at our neighbour's side (we get Singapore TV and radio, so there you go. When Rafee sang for ARR, he got big coverage where he revealed that he was (probably forcefully as I keep hearing this story) served with Briyani by ARR.).

genesis

29th December 2011, 11:23 AM

Amaamam TMS paadinaar, Kannadasan paattu adhu :)

அய்யோ கடவுளே, அது கண்ணதாசன் இல்லீங்கோ, மகாகவி பாரதியார் எழுதியது.

groucho070

29th December 2011, 11:26 AM

:lol: I was waiting for this. Plum was pulling Params leg-u, or am I overestimating Plum's cruelty?

PARAMASHIVAN

29th December 2011, 03:16 PM

What ever happened to this Actress called "Ranjani", ivange yEn Revathy/Nadia range la Famous aagala :roll:

PARAMASHIVAN

29th December 2011, 03:17 PM

:lol: I was waiting for this. Plum was pulling Params leg-u, or am I overestimating Plum's cruelty?

enakku Damil weak endrathal unagl ellorukum comedy ah poichu :evil:

Plum

29th December 2011, 04:08 PM

Au contraire Grouc, you cannot over-estimate my cruelty. Sorry Faramu - ungala paarthaale, cruelA EdhAvadhu paNNanumnu thONudhu(I mean, only pechu pechula dhaan. KOttai thaanda mAttEn :lol: )

PARAMASHIVAN

29th December 2011, 04:13 PM

Au contraire Grouc, you cannot over-estimate my cruelty. Sorry Faramu - ungala paarthaale, cruelA EdhAvadhu paNNanumnu thONudhu(I mean, only pechu pechula dhaan. KOttai thaanda mAttEn :lol: ) :hammer: :evil:

buggle

29th December 2011, 10:47 PM

yAr thoorigai was featured in tfmpage's SOTD when dhool was part of it (http://tfmpage.com/forum/16711.20880.03.21.22.html) :-)

There follows more technicalities / analysis.

Looks like some thillAlangadi song :oops:

It looks like challenging, but i never seen he acknowledged for any particular ragam for a song, for example in one of the interviews i remember he was asked "which one is his favorite ragam and do you set your mind before composing a song to be in that ragam, and he replied i don't purposefully compose a song in a ragam, i set the tune and it automatically get assigned to that ragam" something in that angle was his reply

30th December 2011, 01:39 PM

buggle,
He did say something like 'raagam athuvaa vandhu vizhum' but he has also acknowledged composing in ragas like rasikapriya. Though ragas sometimes tend to fall in places, I would think all composers do voluntarily go after specific ragas/scales sometimes. For example, I would be hard pressed to believe that the ragas for 'thom thom' or 'ananda nadanam aadinaal' (sindhu bairavi) and 'oru kaatril' (naan kadavul) fell automatically.

tvsankar

1st January 2012, 12:42 AM

app,
NIce write up. elam ipo dhan padikaren.......

Wish a Happy New Year to All of U.............

Sureshs65

1st January 2012, 03:15 PM

app,

'yaar thoorigai' is an outstanding melody. Excellent arrangements. There is a set of songs like this, 'maargazhi paarvai', 'manadhil enna ninaivugalo', 'vaanam enge' etc which showcase the ultra modern Raja. Extremely wonderful songs in every aspect. Can't believe someone could have composed them in late 70s/early 80s. He can actually do a one or two hour concert with just songs like these, which were outstanding but never got popular.

Querida

2nd January 2012, 02:03 AM

App was coming here to read and actually thank Usha for sharing "Yaar Thoorigai" song...now I can thank you both :) This song nicely finished off my year...being the last track to be played repeatedly before the year came to finish...an old song found anew...just like old memories and their nostalgic sweetness relived anew... :)

Wish You All A Very Happy New Year!!!

app_engine

2nd January 2012, 02:11 PM

nanRi groucho, buggle, Usha akkA, Sureshji and Querida for the visit & comments :-)

I'm behind by four days - due to continuously driving around (NY / NJ / DE states & finally back to 'home-sweet-home' about an hour back, welcomed by snow after an unusually warm year-end...It was funny to watch a motor cycle rider on Jan 1st @ Schenectady, NY where it used to snow heavily around this time of the year)...

Since I have one more vacation day left, will try to post as many songs as possible later today (after getting some sleep) :-)

tvsankar

3rd January 2012, 02:38 AM

Que,
en perai izhutheengala.. Thanks a lot . hehehe....

tvsankar

3rd January 2012, 02:39 AM

app,
eagerly waiting for ur picks and for ur write up............

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 11:03 AM

To gain speed and catch-up, I'm picking a movie with 3 SPB hits...perhaps one of the best ever albums in TFM but my top 2 picks do not feature SPB. (One is a KSC solo and another SJ solo).

BTW, rAsA gets only 50% credit for this album :wink:

These three numbers should complete the year 2011 (already behind us) and we can pick the next movie for 1/1, 1/2 & 1/3 (hopefully I'll catch up by tomorrow).

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 11:33 AM

#243 தேடும் கண் பார்வை
(மெல்லத்திறந்தது கதவு, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2043'&lang=en)

Though it was written by AVM Saravanan that MTK was a benefit match for MSV, the major beneficieries were TN people! What a fantastic musical treat we got, such an evergreen treasure! An 'akshaya pAthram' of abundant sweetness! With the only difference from the perungAppiyam maNimEkalai is that I continue to be a "still-hungry-Kayasandigai":-) I don't think my appetite / thirst for these songs will end even after another 1000 listens. On occasions I'll let 'kuzhaloodhum' (or 'ooru sanam') on repeat mode for days in my car, never needing another song at all. What MSV / IR / KSC / SJ have reached in this album is such an extraordinary height that can't be so easily reached by most musicians in this world!

Coming to SPB, it's interesting to see that his favourite composers missed giving him a solo in this unique album. Possibly the movie director's choice - who is another favourite of mine - R Sundarrajan :-) (This movie was a sodhappal, however, IMO...I watched it only a few years back on a very-good-quality DVD and wasn't impressed. The picturization of 'kuzhaloodhum' is awesome, however! One of the best-ever in TF IMSO! That DVD watching was the inspiration to start a thread earlier, with the title "Appreciating good picturization for great songs" which ran into 100+ pages...UshakkA , R Balaji & Saradha madam had excellent contributions to that thread...unfortunately, it vanished one day :-( )

thEdum kaN pArvai is an agmark MSV-tune & very typical IR-orchestration (i.e. what IR does for RS / Motherland pictures kind of movies). I especially love the saraNam portion - SPB is awesome there and the tune is phenomenal! Ofcourse, rAsA places his muththirai in the flute ending of the first interlude - terrific! SJ isn't at her best in this song - sounds almost like weeping even though the scene didn't call for it :confused: However, the variations given by her to the pallavi in the end are 'nOkku varmam' variety (what is the term for mesmerizing through ears?)!

I don't think this movie enjoyed a very successful run...possibly "5-kku 2 pazhudhillai" ragam - i.e. some returns & some benefit to MSV. I think AVM tried the gimmick of switching the flash-back around in some centers (i.e. interchanging the pre-interval & post-interval porions which still makes sense...Amala for one half & Radha for another, both beautiful & talented heroines...Amala comes with head / face covered for a significant part, however).

Regardless of the movie's run, the songs were extremely popular - I would say as much as any big hit in that decade (including the Kamal / Rajini hits). Such was the love TN people had for MSV & IR! Such was the phenomenal quality that the genius combo provided for this movie!

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 11:56 AM

#244 தில் தில் தில் மனதில் ஒரு தல் தல் தல் காதல்
(மெல்லத்திறந்தது கதவு, 1986 , சுசீலாவுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2044'&lang=en)

Another agmark MSV-tune / rAsA-orchestration number. Here again, I love the saraNam melody much more than the pallavi (which is average IMO..i.e. by the standards of the two masters who worked on it. If one goes by the song that SPB got for a giant-banner movie in 2011 - the yucky yammA yammA, dhil dhil dhil can be called something "beyond reach"). I still stand by my not-so-great-love for SPB-PS duets, though I adore the singing of both these greats. (This song is not so much of akkA-thambi feel, however...it has started to feel like ammA-paiyan :oops:)

The song was immensely popular and loved by the public. From the time this album got released, for years, there wasn't a trip from Palakkad to home without at least one song from this movie heard somewhere. (Either in the buses or one of the teakkadais in the Kovai-Pollachi-Pazhani-Dindigul bus stands). That way, I'm so proud of the isai rasanai / craze of the majority of TN (of 80's :wink:) ! Well, the MTK songs clean-bowled my Malayali colleagues as well. There was this smart guy from Alappuzha (who joined a year after me, technically weak but wanted to manage a high-tech department that had top-class-engineer-trainees and faded away within a short time) with a great taste for every non-technical thing! (Don't ask me what all, let's stay within music discussion). He had as much appreciation in real life for 'vandhAchchu chiththira dhAn pOyAchchu niththira dhAn' as what Mohan shows on reel! appadiyE pAdippAdi mey silirththuppOyiduvAn!

I don't even remember now how dhil-dhil-dhil is shot on screen...should look at the youtube...

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 12:05 PM

thEdum kaN pArvai youtube:
(I think this is the quick-sand number, total mismatch between SJ's whining and Amala's kuRumbu)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgPVn81e6CM

groucho070

3rd January 2012, 12:05 PM

This and Idhaya Kovil (combo films in one cassette) played on loop in my uncle's car which we hitched for a ride to relatives wedding. Long trip, thoroughly enjoyable thanks to this. So, upon hearing this song, I am immediately transported to my cheriyacchan's wedding at the end of '86.

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 12:11 PM

'dhil dhil dhil' youtube
(shows Amala again, must be a kanavu scene...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmXoHxEsWPo

Looks like all the SPB numbers are for Mohan-Amala (Radha gets kuzhaloodhum & ooru sanam, however).

It's too late in the night...and 'vA veNNilA' calls for some "confessions" :wink:...so, has to wait till tomorrow to post!

PARAMASHIVAN

3rd January 2012, 09:02 PM

App anna

Regarding Mella Thiranthathu kadhavu, who actually composed the tune and who scored the BGM for the songs and the film? because on the CD I bought, it said MSV+IR. But having listened to the songs, all songs(tunes) sound so much MSV ish, except Vaa vennila, which sounds typical Ir ish. :roll:

Regarding SPB+PS combo, I agree (though I am big fan PS's voice) SPB's voice is highly youthfull, while PS sounds mature! IMHO, I feel TMS + PS combo is the next best combo in TFM after the addictive SPB+SJ combo :)

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 09:26 PM

Param,
Someone quoted MSV's TV interview (in one of the threads) as below:

-MSV did melodies for all except kuzhaloodhum which was by IR
-MSV "approved" the melody for kuzhaloodhum
-That rAsA used kuzhaloodhum's tune for a song in Balki's Cheeni kum also endorses this claim
-vA veNNilA was a "reworked" tune from an old MSV song (so, your guess of that being IR-ish is quite off the mark)
-Orchestration was by IR for the most part

According to a DF-er in tfmpage who happened to be in the studio for one of the composing sessions of MTK, there was close co-operation between the composers with a lot of suggestions coming forth from both as well as a lot of mutual admiration / appreciation between them :-)

Personally, I feel MSV probably didn't think about the 'sakkarakkattikku' song which sounds like typical IR :wink: Perhaps he wasn't even aware of the existence of that song :lol:

Also, IMO, the closest co-operation between the genius composers happened for the 'ooru sanam' song. Very different from anything that MSV & IR did prior or after. True fusion of thoughts from both!

Another interesting fact: IR's previous "boss" - who happened to be a close friend of MSV as well - the late composer GKV, was involved in this project too, as an actor:-)

PARAMASHIVAN

3rd January 2012, 09:42 PM

-That rAsA used kuzhaloodhum's tune for a song in Balki's Cheeni kum also endorses this claim

Are you talking about the movie with AB and Nandita das?? I can only recall a song by KSC in this film , which was direct copy from IR's "Mandrum vantha thendralukku mancham vara" ?? :roll:

Yes, now that you mentioned Kuzhaloodhum , and sakarkati does sound so IR ish :)

Plum

3rd January 2012, 10:21 PM

Faram, as Balakrishna Sastry would say: reNdu thappulu. Nandita Das illai - Tabu. KS Chitra illai - Shreya Ghoshal.

PARAMASHIVAN

3rd January 2012, 10:25 PM

Faram, as Balakrishna Sastry would say: reNdu thappulu. Nandita Das illai - Tabu. KS Chitra illai - Shreya Ghoshal.

Thanks Flau annEh

I was confused over Nandita das vs Tabu, still recovering from the new year celeberations :lol:

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 10:26 PM

#245 வா வெண்ணிலா உன்னைத்தானே வானம் தேடுதே
(மெல்லத்திறந்தது கதவு, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2045'&lang=en)

This version has only humming by SJ, with SPB singing all the lyrical lines. There's another SJ solo version. Either way, this can be listed as one more top SPB-SJ duet! A very romantic one, IMO. With sweet guitar portions accompanied by clap sounds, this song sounds very folkish. Even having some northie feel. The instrumental accompaniment for the last line of the saraNam is so sweet. That is my favourite portion of the song and the singers excel there as well. So much sugary!

So, it's only natural that some "pattAmpoochchi-in-mind" moments of 1986 are triggered (that I mentioned about confessions that needed to be made in this post) :-) As we all believe, vaNNaththuppoochchi enjoys flowers not just for the nectar but also for the beauty. (Those who study butterfly science please confirm if they prefer one kind of flower to another, based on the color / freshness / fragrance etc and not just for the purpose of feeding its stomach). In any case, when used as an uvamai - equating pushpams to the prettier gender and poochchees / vandoos to men, it applies more for the apperance than for "nectar" - that is, at least until the 80's-90's :lol: OK, don't want to generalize there, namma kathaiyaippoRuththa varai avvaLavu thAn :-)

So, if someone was in a "dry" thuvAkkudi for 4.5 years and then got employed in an extremely "rainy" Kerala, it was only natural to keep the eyes open for flowers - even during sleep. Due to strong beliefs in self-control / discipline etc, the nectar level - why even "speaking" level - was never reached. However, the eyes had feast for years until the real love got firmed up and kAl kattu happened. Well, let's limit to the early Palakkadan days - precisely the later part of 1986 / early 1987 :-)

If someone had watched 'engEyum eppOdhum', a recent movie (I liked it very much), it's possible they at least smiled - if not LOL'ed - at the Trichy girl who comes to Chennai for an interview alone and heavily suspects the stranger boy. In 80's, a similar & typical situation existed for TN boys who got work assignments in Kerala. One of my classmates said "you were in this dry campus for so long that every girl will look like apsarus for a long time - so, wait for at least a couple of years before tying the knot" :lol: Little did he know that I always had more concern for parents / family. A similar thought was expressed by many friends / relatives to be "careful" lest you'll be "vaLachchuppOttufied" :rotfl: What a terrible stereotyping and underestimating of Mr Viswamithra!

Well, the management of my workplace thought of even more extremes - that they made strict dress code for girls / long overcoat etc. On top of it, the strict enforcement of the rule that both marriage mates cannot work for the org, to keep it with more rigor. None of those advices, rules were needed for a bayandhAnguLi like me but still they were all constant reminders of the "possible danger". However, the flesh & blood - especially the organs that make opthalmologists rich - cannot be that easily bridled.

So, I had enough of those intoxications - some even ran for days / months before passing. Each one accompanied by a rAsA song of that time period (For example, there was this beautiful girl who always had a single red-rose and got into the bus few stops after mine and always peered into the rear of the bus to locate me & lock the eyes together for the rest of the journey - day after day - for months and she was termed 'chinna maNeekkuyiloo' :lol:). Interestingly, none of those ever ended in any vocal conversation.

So was this lean and sharp nosed bus-stop girl, who happened to work in the same campus as me but in a different building and who gave those 10 minutes of pattAmpoochchi moments while waiting for the bus to go to work from Palakkad fort maidhAn. Well, she got the 'vA veNNilA, unnaiththAnE vAnam thEduthE' title :lol2: Always clad in kanji-pOtta-cotton-saree & very elegant with lovely eyes, it appeared that we missed batting the eyelids while waiting for the bus. It went on for months, with nothing else - may be there was a hard-to-identify-punnagai, from both, at the end of the 10 minutes daily.

Well, the whole thing ended when her unit got moved to another campus and the bus route changed :-)

There ended the 'vA veNNilA' story :lol:

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 10:35 PM

With that post, both MTK & the songs for each day of 2011 got completed.

I still have a long way to catch-up as we're in the 3rd day of 2012!

PARAMASHIVAN

3rd January 2012, 10:44 PM

So was this lean and sharp nosed bus-stop girl, who happened to work in the same campus as me but in a different building and who gave those 10 minutes of pattAmpoochchi moments while waiting for the bus to go to work from Palakkad fort maidan. Well, she got the 'vA veNNilA, unnaiththAnE vAnam thEduthE' title :lol2: Always clad in kanji-pOtta-cotton-saree & very elegant with lovely eyes, it appeared that we missed batting the eyelids while waiting for the bus. It went on for months, with nothing else - may be there was a hard-to-identify-punnagai, from both, at the end of the 10 minutes daily.

:lol2: ithu unga vootu kari ammaku theriyumma :lol2:

PARAMASHIVAN

3rd January 2012, 10:45 PM

Well, the whole thing ended when her unit got moved to another campus and the bus route changed :-)

situation song from the da same movie "thEdum kanparvai thavika thudika" :lol2: :yessir:

Plum

3rd January 2012, 10:47 PM

Builduplaam nalla irundhudhu. Chappunnu mudichittingale app. Ninga romba nallavaru - expecting baroque to comment on this song/tale without fail. Nichayamaa varum paarunga

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 10:53 PM

Chappunnu mudichittingale app.

vachchukkittA vanjakam paNROm? uLLadhE ambuttuththAnE :-)

(BTW, I watched this 'ninaivilE ninRavaL' B&W movie on TV last week, starring Ravichandran, Nagesh, Cho, KRV, Manorama.

Lot of hilarious moments.

The most interesting part is Manorama telling this 'vachchukkittA vanjakam paNROm' dialog when Nagesh questions her intelligence)

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 11:06 PM

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 11:15 PM

There is this very sweet kAthirundhEn (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0639'&lang=en) SPB-SJ duet from the same year, from 'dharma paththini'.

Unfortunately, I'm hearing this for the first time and thus don't know whether this was a hit song at all. OTOH, everyone of us know the popularity of the IR-SJ number 'nAn thEdum sevvanthippoovidhu' from the same movie...

So, skippu...

app_engine

3rd January 2012, 11:56 PM

There're 3 relatively light-weight songs that will get posted today and then we'll move on to the last album of the year 1986 tomorrow.

That has 2 fantastic SPB numbers which will also get us to the 250 mark this week :-)

Need some help from fellow hubbers to decide which one should be #250 among those two :-)

reNdu viralla onnaiththodunga :

(suttu viral) duet with SJ
or
(nadu viral) solo...

BTW, the movie was a remake of a Malayalam movie *ing Mammootty / Nadhiya.

app_engine

4th January 2012, 02:08 AM

#246 ஓ வானம்பாடி
(சாதனை, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3162'&lang=en)

Whether this movie directed by A S Prakasam (who earlier did 'echchil iravukaL' that had 'poo mEla veesum poongAththe en mEl veesa mAttAya' sweetie in the voices of KJY/VJ) did sAthanai in BO or not is not clear. They used to advertise on radio specifically about IR's music as 'rAsA vada indhiya isaiyil inimai seyyum thiraippadam' followed by 'aththi marappoovidhu' sound clip. Sivaji-Prabhu starrer where NT did the role of a film director and it should have had some decent run (unless the director did an extremely poor job). We need to request Murali sir for more details on that count.

I have heard both this sweet SPB-SJ duet and the SJ solo (aththi marappoovidhu, my favourite) frequently on radio / buses. The MV song 'ingE nAn kaNdEn' was quite popular as well. (I guess that was for NT - going by MV's voice -and the SPB songs were possibly for Prabhu). There are two more SPB-SJ duets - rAja mOhini (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3163'&lang=en)and vAzhvE vA (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3165'&lang=en)and I've hardly heard them before and so cannot post about. The songs are quite sweet, however, regardless of their hit status. Either A S Prakasam had good sense of music or rAsA was at his creative peak that nothing could go wrong or IR did put extra effort for the sake of NT-Prabhu combo. Whatever was the reason, the album has many sweet numbers...

Well, per wikipedia, there could be another reason for extra-interest of rAsA :

Ilaiyaraaja also appears in the film as himself.

:wink:

rajkumarc

4th January 2012, 02:43 AM

Wow.. lovely posts App for MTK songs :clap: :clap: :clap: ...thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts about the times you spent in Kerala and in Coimbatore as well. Brings back fond memories for me as well.

Inge Naan Kanden is my favorite in Sadhanai and I love O Vanambadi as well. Very sweet album. IR's scene in the film is like him composing a tune for NT who is the director. It came out quite well, I forgot the song though, it could be for O Vanambadi.

jaiganes

4th January 2012, 02:47 AM

#246 ஓ வானம்பாடி
(சாதனை, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3162'&lang=en)

Whether this movie directed by A S Prakasam (who earlier did 'echchil iravukaL' that had 'poo mEla veesum poongAththe en mEl veesa mAttAya' sweetie in the voices of KJY/VR) did sAthanai in BO or not is not clear. They used to advertise on radio specifically about IR's music as 'rAsA vada indhiya isaiyil inimai seyyum thiraippadam' followed by 'aththi marappoovidhu' sound clip. Sivaji-Prabhu starrer where NT did the role of a film director and it should have had some decent run (unless the director did an extremely poor job). We need to request Murali sir for more details on that count.

I have heard both this sweet SPB-SJ duet and the SJ solo (aththi marappoovidhu, my favourite) frequently on radio / buses. The MV song 'ingE nAn kaNdEn' was quite popular as well. (I guess that was for NT - going by MV's voice -and the SPB songs were possibly for Prabhu). There are two more SPB-SJ duets - rAja mOhini (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3163'&lang=en)and vAzhvE vA (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3165'&lang=en)and I've hardly heard them before and so cannot post about. The songs are quite sweet, however, regardless of their hit status. Either A S Prakasam had good sense of music or rAsA was at his creative peak that nothing could go wrong or IR did put extra effort for the sake of NT-Prabhu combo. Whatever was the reason, the album has many sweet numbers...

Well, per wikipedia, there could be another reason for extra-interest of rAsA :

:wink:
it is by Prof.A.S.Prakasam. He was supposed to do a movie on U.Ve.Sa (thamizh thaatha *ing Kamal which never materialized).

app_engine

4th January 2012, 03:13 AM

#247 கல்லுக்குள்ளே வந்த ஈரம் என்ன
(மனிதனின் மறுபக்கம் , 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1955'&lang=en)

Sweet SPB-SJ duet with IR's signature tablA rhythm and sweet strings / guitar work! Another K Rangaraj movie, the director who worked as BR's assistant for a while and then did unnai nAn sandhiththEn / udhaya geetham with motherland pictures. Outside that production house, his remarkable album during early 80's with rAsA was 'nilavu suduvathillai' that had two awesome songs (pArijAtham pagalil pooththadhu & nALum un manam - terrific KJY duets). On the flip side, he was in KBR's company by employing someone other than IR as MD for his first film (after serving as an assistant to BR).

K Rangaraj's first movie was 'nenjamellAm neeyE' and it had S-G as MDs (there was this nice song - 'yAradhu sollAmal nenjaLLippOvadhu' by VJ from that movie). He came to IR after that like every other assistant of BR, for nilavu suduvathillai and got that awesome score. I don't know about all his films but remember the two he did for motherland pictures that had IR (UNS & UG, as mentioned before). After that, in 1986 he did a couple of movies and manithanin maRupakkam is one of them. (Like unakkAkavE vAzhkiREn, this one too was possibly a remake from some Malayalam movie.)

I have heard this song a few times on buses but never paid close attention those days. Never owned it on personal collections then either. However, a couple of years back, I got it on a disk from my sis and was playing it frequently on car. An OK kind of song which sounds rAgA based - the saraNam melody is more interesting than the pallavi and SJ is awesome there. To avoid repeating this fact, let me make this statement : "On 99% of rAsA songs, saraNam had a much better tune / melody than the pallavi IMO" :-) That is one of the main reasons for longevity of rAsA songs as well sustaining of interest through out any song.

By contrast, most popular songs of later-day MDs have weak saraNams (after catchy pallavis, thALakkozhuppu etc) and cannot hold my interest for more than a minute or so. That apart, they also have not-so-distinct interludes and thus not listenable end to end even once (let alone repeat). I don't think most music-fans of today care either. There are few songs that are known by preludes / interludes / saraNams anymore. All that the listeners today seem to care are a catchy "beat" and "two catchy lines of pallavi - or just one line with repeattu". why this kolaveRi makkaLE? :wink: (This is not a TN-only trend...my son listens to local / western music mostly and I can see him frequently skipping his so called "favourite" songs after only a minute or so, quickly browsing for the next one. They cannot sustain his interest for even the whole 4-5 minutes. No wonder kolaveRi is so popular among his American collegemates who have it on their FB pages...actually, that's how he got to hear that song and got it on his iPad making me hear it for the first time. Thanks to my wife's vociferous objection, my ears don't get polluted anymore with that youtube hit that has supposedly given dinner rights to Dhanush with Manmohan Singh :shock:)

app_engine

4th January 2012, 03:23 AM

nanRi, rajkumarc!

Interesting info on ThamizhththAththA, jai!

BTW, raj & jai, what is the number you want as #250? duettA / sOlOvA, from unakkAkavE vAzhkiREn?

app_engine

4th January 2012, 03:48 AM

#248 தண்ணி தவிக்குது தண்ணி தவிக்குது வண்ணக்கிளி
(தாய்க்கு ஒரு தாலாட்டு , 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3443'&lang=en)

Another SPB song from a NT movie and I don't know who does the udhattasaivu for this on-screen. Possibly for some son kind of character as it's difficult to imagine NT (of 1986) dancing around for this song. A beatsy themmAngu that's completely in the rAsA domain (and the structure possibly got reused a few times later on as well).

This album was quite famous for two reasons :
1. Raja did a full-fledged remix of a MSV-TKR number from pudhiya paRavai. ('unnai onRu kEtpEn uNmai solla vENdum' has become 'pazhaya pAdal pOla puthiya pAdal illai'). Though he had used portions of older songs in medley kind of format earlier, there was never a total repeat of a single old song like this IIRC.
2. TMS singing again for IR, after some gap (Those who frequently term IR as an arrogant man please take note). Interestingly, the original unnai onRu kEtpEn was a PS solo but the remix was a duet.

The other interesting thing about this movie was the import of Balachandra Menon from MF to direct. He was quite popular in MF during early-80's (TN magazines used to call him Kerala's Bagyaraj) and was the first hero / director for Shobana (April 18). With MF having its golden age during 80's, every other field was looking at them with admiration & awe. Only a year before, TF had that awesome Fazil movie 'poovE poochchooda vA' that was nothing like what the viewers got as their regular dose and became a huge hit!

There was thirst for more from the arabikkadal theerangaL. So, Balachandra menon got imported to direct Sivaji (name pronounced as "BalEndra" menon :lol:, MGR is known as MG RamEndran in Kerala as they have the habit of swallowing "ch" when it comes in the middle. OTOH, they pronounce "Ch" very clearly in the names such as Chandrika, Chandran etc...BTW, I always remember Chandrika soap very favorably, not for the soappu but the family that owned the company...a young couple from that family helped me reack KG in their Maruthi after I spent > 30 min lying on highway a few years later - with mARu kAl mARu kai heavily fractured in a hero honda -truck collision, desparate & slowly losing hope)...

I don't think TOT was a runaway hit like PPV. Possibly a moderate success (again we need encyclopaedia Murali sir's help). The songs were moderately popular and almost 100% of my listens were either on buses or teakkadais around the Cbe region. ArArirO pAdiyathArO thoongippOnadhArO is such a sweet KJY gem. 'kAdhalA-kAdhalA' is an interesting IR-KSC duet as well).

app_engine

4th January 2012, 03:53 AM

Now I've caught up and will await makkaL's verdict on which to post tomorrow - whether it will be iLanchOlai or kaNNA unaiththEdukiREn vA :-)
(My preference for #250 is obvious as usual, duettu)

al_gates

4th January 2012, 03:57 AM

Great going App.

I remember that aroundthe time Mella Thirandhadhu kadhavu came, we had the Asian Games where PT Usha had 4 golds. Actually for about 4-5 days of the games, we watched the highlights daily which ended with the medals tally and India's name was not there for few days :rotfl3:

It was a humble weightlifter from TN, Muthusami, who got India's first medal(bronze). A week later, when Athletics started, Usha got 4 golds.

Any paraparappu in Kerala Nadu when Usha's achievements happened?

BTW, I am excited to look forward to picks for 1987 that are coming up...wont spoil the suspense by telling the movie names :)

rajkumarc

4th January 2012, 05:10 AM

Nice posts App... love Kallukulle Vandha Eeram enna.. the tune is so soothing and special. This movie has two other nice songs - Santhosam Indru (KSC i think) and Oomai Nenjin (KJY).

My pick for #250 is Kanna Unnai Thedugiren (i'm floored by the string section in this song throughout and also the entry of SPB midway into the song and the way he renders, it sounds so reassuring and makes a compelling listen).

groucho070

4th January 2012, 06:08 AM

-vA veNNilA was a "reworked" tune from an old MSV song (so, your guess of that being IR-ish is quite off the mark)
-Orchestration was by IR for the most part
Inspired from this (in case no one mentioned):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PdL5VnbXnw

al_gates

4th January 2012, 07:04 AM

thanks groucho.

MSV mentioned in a tv interview that it was taken from his hindi song Chandi Rani, which is here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx59BVbTW2I&feature=related

however in the above link, a commenter states the original was in telugu and later dubbed into tamil/hindi.

groucho070

4th January 2012, 07:16 AM

Ah, that's news to me al. Thanks for the info.

Divine22

4th January 2012, 07:19 AM

Hi app sir,

Nice reading your memories related to MTK and Vaa vennila.... othe sivappu roja vacha ponnu, salwar, bus stop, parvai parimaatranggal , appdiye ore 80's pada scene paartha matiri irukku .. :D

Great going!!

Vaa vennila, what a honey soaked, breezy song,,, My most fav song from the movie. Once the clapping starts in the beginning of the song, one cannot restrain from getting in to the mood of the song and my heart melts away... Laaalaa by SJ,,,sweet & mellow.SPB never fails to add extra aural elation through his magnetic voice presence & singing...

As you mentioned one of the best Albums in TFm for sure, Kaalathai thaandi nikkum isaippadaipukkal. :bow: mSV & IR ..

Never heard of the duet frm Thaaikku oru thalattu, My pick from that movie are Kaathala2 (IR & KSC duet) & the extremely sad soulful Aarariro... Thank you fr introducing this song App sir :)

for saang #250 , I vote for the duet too ~~ Kanna Unnai Thedugiren ~~~ another heart melter ~~~

groucho070

4th January 2012, 07:31 AM

Sadhanai.

I remember that whenever interviewer ask NT why he didn't become a director, he would say that he at least played a film director. The movie had a good subject, but poorly handled.

Was it this film or another that Prabhu got his back whacked by NT? He would later recall lin a concert how they put a board to absorb the whacking but bloody hell it was still aching :lol:

app, as usual :thumbsup: I'll go with majority with duet simply because the other song was ruined by cinema markandeyan :evil:

4th January 2012, 09:16 AM

One of our silent hubbers PM-ed me about the 'Hare Radha Hare Krishna' (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.php?ALBID=ALBIRR00176&lang=en)movie of 1986 (Kamal-Sridevi, dubbed from Telugu) and reminded me about those songs.

Unfortunately, I don't remember listening to any of them before and can hardly relate to them / post about them.

I'll have to pass them...if someone had liking for them, please post :-)

App, I remember watching this during a college show. Some sridevi/golt-movie fans got it for screening.
I think it followed typical telugu formula and we all had quite fun watching it (for the wrong reasons). There was one hit
song 'paravam uruga' (which got some air time I guess). Sound like a rehash of 'vaan pole vannam kondu' -
i.e. 'telugu-kuthu' formula.

So.. I guess you can safely skip this album :smile2:

jaiganes

4th January 2012, 09:28 AM

:-D @a_e any song is fine. Manmadhan Ambu
Forgiveness angle is inspired frm this movie.
So any matching sichuveshan song irundhaa
Play pannunga. Unlike grumpy grouch,traumatic
Visions of surya appa don't haunt me that much.

app_engine

4th January 2012, 10:15 PM

nanRi, al_gates:-)

Any paraparappu in Kerala Nadu when Usha's achievements happened?

Ofcourse, she was on the cover of every mag / talk of the town everywhere!

thangappEN!

app_engine

4th January 2012, 10:17 PM

nanRi rajkumarc, Divine22 & groucho for your kind comments!

Thank you groucho, for the youtube of the original of 'vA veNNilA'.

Going by the responses so far, it looks like iLanchOlai will be #249 & kaNNA #250...

app_engine

4th January 2012, 10:21 PM

Thank you RR sir, for the thagaval on HRHK!

The only think I remember about that movie was a poster in Palakkad where Kamal was sporting some fancy sun glasses...

jaiganes,
Is the section from M-ambu inspired from Shyama (original of unakkAgavE vAzhkiREn) or HRHK?
I couldn't get from your post...neither did I have a chance to watch the last KH movie :oops:

baroque

4th January 2012, 11:56 PM

பருவம் உருக இதயம் தவிக்க
இனிய குழலில் யமுனை முழுதும் பொங்க அலை பொங்க ...

lovely lovely song, app_eng!:musicsmile:

love the lilting composition, Janu & Bala's singing is jillunnu!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTfL7Sea1Ho

listen to the prelude humming... none can lure the great man like Janu!

it brings out the teen age kushi in me....:-D
I love these compositions , Raja conjures playful mood with mirudhangam..
remember முல்லை அரும்பே
மெல்லத் திரும்பு
என்னக் குறும்பு ....

vinatha.

app_engine

5th January 2012, 12:08 AM

#249 இளஞ்சோலை பூத்ததா
(உனக்காகவே வாழ்கிறேன், 1986 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3771'&lang=en)

I've posted sometime back on the "last-heard-song" thread about the strong appeal this song had towards a group of Detroitters in a socializing setting when I played an assorted set of IR songs on CD. Interestingly, every other song in that CD was "catchier" if one goes by pop culture. The group did have a couple of musicals but most others (from a variety of backgrounds) also preferred this number and insisted in getting a copy of the song. It was quite an enlightening experience to me on the real appeal of this song! We often tend to think that ICM (ok ok semi-ICM) numbers may not appeal to foreigners but this song is a proof against :-)

SPB is at his smoothy peak! What an anAyAsam with which he sings difficult songs like this! Likewise, rAsA in full flow - both in the construction of the melody that is smooth / soothing and the brilliant arrangements / orchestration. no pisiRu or no appazhukku! Very repeatable / enjoyable number, with SPB & percussion the two prime aspects!

I don't remember hearing this song much during the 80's, however. OTOH, the Kanna song was a regular in buses which I always link to one terrific recording center near the Oddanchatram bus stand (that played that song in loud volume). It's possible buses played 'iLanchOlai' along with kaNNA but I didn't register them together because of not knowing the movie name or any other related info. (More on the movie name hunt of kaNNa song in tomorrow's post).

So, my appreciation for this number is quite recent. New finds like this make one wonder how many more treasures are there to be unearthed. Not that they were "rare" ones or not hits in their time. It's just that there were simply too many coming out during the later part of 80's & not-living-in-TN put one at a disadvantage of not perfectly updated :-( (I think Sureshji had this experience as well and we often get surprised when he declares some numbers as 'first-time-listen' even though they were big hits in TN).

Anyways, better late than never! Songs like iLanchOlai should not be missed in life!

Like I mentioned before, this movie was directed by K Rangaraj & was a remake of Mammooty-Nadhiya Malayalam movie "Shyama" that was running in Palakkad during my first few months there. The songs in that movie are superb as well (not IR). Watched that on a DVD couple of years back - ok movie - but definitely don't want to watch the TF :wink:

dhool has hosted this song (http://dhool.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4431) and there're some interesting comments by our forum regulars such as genesis, Vinatha (baroque) & Usha chEchi as well as old Df-ers (bb, Udhaya, Saravanan) who became dhool pillars.

Sureshs65

5th January 2012, 12:14 AM

app,

Yes. I do have the experience of discovering a major Tamil hit (which was not known in Hyd) many a times.

'ilamcholai' I heard first in a tape titled 'Raagas of Raja' (It has all excellent numbers) A favorite tape of my wife as well and we have played multiple times in my car. Based on Dharmavathi / Madhuvanthi, this is an extremely melodious song. A very typical Raja semi ICM melody. A must hear.

app_engine

5th January 2012, 12:14 AM

I can't resist quoting one interesting info from dhool Saravanan here :

I still recall Senthil struggling to bring peace between his two wives; I forget who those 2 actresses were, but their on screen names were Suseela & Janaki! And he finally puts an end to their quarrels by threatening to marry another girl called Jikki :roll:

:lol2:

Plum

5th January 2012, 12:22 AM

App, I agree with the feller in the link who felt "oh endhan vaazhvile" is the better one from the movie :)

app_engine

5th January 2012, 12:33 AM

Years back, Ramki has hosted this in the pick of the week (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?1459-Picks-Feb-05&p=29325&viewfull=1#post29325)...

If someone is planning to watch this movie (or Malayalam Shyama), please don't read the above post as it has the full story :-) However, don't miss the posts that follow that are quite interesting. Ramki & RR discuss on the rAgA of the song...

baroque

5th January 2012, 12:38 AM

wonderful selection, App_eng.

Yes.. indeed a superlative composition.

Bala has sung dharmavathi earlier in his career.

Remember NANDHA EN NILAA.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKLFW3CXO8

Lata-Madhan mohan combo's madhuvanthi - Rasm-e-ulfat ko nibhaayen......is emotive composition. soulful.

vinatha.

baroque

5th January 2012, 12:59 AM

nandha en nilaa.... is an eternal composition.

ippo ivvalavu joraa paadindu erukkaa...smooth like butter.:-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOSPts_OqtA

Vinatha.

app_engine

5th January 2012, 08:14 AM

Interesting videos, nanRi baroque!

app_engine

5th January 2012, 08:17 AM

ilanjOlai pooththadhA youtube :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txt2_dhMVuo

groucho070

5th January 2012, 08:39 AM

nandha en nilaa.... is an eternal composition.

ippo ivvalavu joraa paadindu erukkaa...smooth like butter.:-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOSPts_OqtA Vinatha.Thanks Baroque. Look at him enjoying himself. When I was a kid I always objected him putting his own twist to the songs, always wanted them to be exactly the same. But these days I really enjoy watching him improvising. I mean, I'd rather listen to the original if I want it the same. During concerts, you should get something additional, and this man delivers. Awesome rendition.

San_K

5th January 2012, 09:29 AM

Thanks vinatha,

I don't remember I have listed the sweet 'paruvam uraga' song before. Probably because of that flop movie.

V_S

5th January 2012, 09:47 AM

Great going App as usual :thumbsup: You are too fast to catch up. :smile: Please give me some time, lot of my favorite songs posted that too in my favorite year 1986.

PARAMASHIVAN

5th January 2012, 04:21 PM

App anna

Your help needed here pls
http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8038-IT-Professionals/page18

thanks

baroque

5th January 2012, 09:13 PM

yeah... groucho, he enjoys himself, he sings for his pleasure & heart's content that's why we feel the aathma in his singing.
appadiye ondri poyee...:)

Me too, prefer the original, composer's version we often listen but singer's like Bala's improvisation is enchanting.

thanks, San :).

Good app_eng, I was thinking, I should have posted the featured song's video.
Did not want to steal the thunder from IR-SPB with Nandha en nilaa......DMurthy-S.P.B.
Can't help it, NANDHA EN NILAA.... is a classic.

Vinatha.

app_engine

5th January 2012, 10:03 PM

Did not want to steal the thunder from IR-SPB with Nandha en nilaa......DMurthy-S.P.B.

Once AV published a photo of IR with Dhakshinamoorthy.

IR has regarded him as his guru and also stated humbly that he wasn't qualified to talk about that musical genius :-)

So, 'nandhA nee en nilA nilA' is pretty much within the scope of this thread :-)

PARAMASHIVAN

5th January 2012, 10:04 PM

Er, Nandha Nee en Nila Nila nayagan madiyil is one amazing Ghazel like song! It is shame it was picturised on VK :banghead: Kamal/Karthik would have been a better choice!

Simply Love the song, one never gets tired of it! Only SPB Possible! Every single word is emoted with awesome emotions by the Genius! Listen to the line "Agasthiyan pOtrum arunthathi neeyE"

PARAMASHIVAN

5th January 2012, 10:07 PM

Thanks Baroque. Look at him enjoying himself. When I was a kid I always objected him putting his own twist to the songs, always wanted them to be exactly the same. But these days I really enjoy watching him improvising. I mean, I'd rather listen to the original if I want it the same. During concerts, you should get something additional, and this man delivers. Awesome rendition.

I have stressed many times, SPB is the only singer who does "Justice" in the name of "Improvisation" to the Original tunes,How ever I have not seen him doing this with any IR tunes!

app_engine

5th January 2012, 10:11 PM

Great going App as usual :thumbsup: You are too fast to catch up. :smile: Please give me some time, lot of my favorite songs posted that too in my favorite year 1986.

nanRi, V_Sji!

Please post your observations on MTK songs as well as on iLanchOlai pooththadhA.

While browsing through old tfm pages, I found yesterday some discussions on iLanchOlai in a thread for Hariharan's pronunciation blemishes. Geetha, a HC-ARR / HH admirer tried there to bracket SPB with HH for pronunciation goof-ups, quoting the word 'iLanchOlai' pronounced as 'iLanjOlai' which was Thamizhkkolai it seems. She also claimed there that MV pronounced it correctly in the same album...do you know if there is a MV version of this song on the cassette?

Here (http://tfmpage.com/forum/20116.25280.16.22.28.html) is that old thread...

When you speak of SPB, do you know that he still writes all the words in Telugu and have you noticed songs like IlanCholai poothathaa? He sings IlanJolai, instead of IlanCholai.....Malaysia Vasudevan also sings the same song, with the Correct pronounciation

Murali Srinivas

5th January 2012, 11:24 PM

App,

Could not visit the hub for the last few days and so couldn't revert to you immediately. Now coming to your doubts,

Saadhanai was a hit movie crossing 100 days and the song Oh Vanambadi comes for a cinema in cinema song. NT a famous director wants to film his dream project - the Salim Anarkali love story but he is unable to fulfill his wish in his younger days due to various issues and misunderstanding with his wife.Later in life he gets to direct the same. Prabhu, his son is a saamiyar and NT persuades him to act only to see Prabhu falling madly in love with the heroine [played by one Bhuvani and if IIRC she was the grand daughter of GN Velumani the owner of Saravana films which produced Baaga Pirivinai, Paalum Pazhamum, Kudiyirundha Koyil etc] and this song comes as a love duet between Salim and Anar. NT had not directed any films but had he done that, what he would have expected from his artists would be clearly visible here. Especially the scene where he would teach Prabhu how to do a Raaja Nadai and show the heroine how to blush and walk gracefully is still etched in mind. Yes as rajkumar mentioned, IR comes in as IR and does the song composing [NT's dialogue "unnai maadhiriye en payyanum oru ssaamiyaarthaanpaa"].

Thaaikku Oru Thalaattu, a remake of Balachandra Menon's Oru Painkili Kadha was an avarage success and this song was for Pandiarajan, I think [Paandiarajan came as NT's son]. Pazhya Paadal pola, the remix song which we people were eagerly expecting was not there in the movie except for a brief flashback scene. Grapevine was at this point of time [the movie came out on 16th July 1986], IR and VM combo was falling apart and since all the songs were written by VM for this movie, IR made Vaali write one song and that came as a montage song during titles. This IR did allegedly,as the song had become very popular and VM was talking in length about it. While pressed for non inclusion of Pazhaya Paadal pola, Menon said due to paucity of time the song was not picturised but that was a cover up because as I had mentioned earlier,when NT thinks about Padmini [after she passes away], a small bit of that song's charanam would be shown. Nostalgic lines were those

நிலவிலே வாழ்ந்தோம்
பனியிலே சேர்ந்தோம்
சரித்திரம் கேட்டோம்
தலைமுறை பார்த்தோம்

அந்த காலம் பந்தம்
அழிந்து போவதில்லை
நம்மை போல யாரும்
ஜோடி சேர்ந்ததில்லை

IR was ruling the roost and therefore neither producer KRG nor director BCM could do anything.

As you rightly said Unakkaagave Vaazhkiren was a remake of Shyama and in the same manner Manidhanin Marupakkam [the 150th movie of Sivakumar] was remade from another Mammootty film Nirakoottu. Mammootty had tonsured his head for Yaathra [Balu Mahendra] and director Joshi wanting to make use of this get up did a quickie and this was a run away hit.

Regards

app_engine

6th January 2012, 12:32 AM

nanRi, Murali sir for the details and additional interesting pieces of information!

Mammootty had tonsured his head for Yaathra and director Joshi wanting to make use of this get up did a [b]quickie and this was a run away hit.

People who spend years and yet produce mediocre movies should learn from such experts :-)

I love that film and 'poomAnamE' is one of my all-time-fav songs!

app_engine

6th January 2012, 02:26 AM

#250 கண்ணா உனைத்தேடுகிறேன் வா
(உனக்காகவே வாழ்கிறேன், 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3773'&lang=en)

The fantastic strings beauty sung by the top pair when they were in top form!

A song that I can hear on repeat for many days!

I can go on and on about the prathAbams of this song and still cannot do any justice. I'll let musical experts like V_Sji, skr, Sureshji talk about its merits:-)

Let me stick to my favourite passtime - that of ruminating on some malarum ninaivukaL! (Definite sign of getting old. But then, who cares when the world has already concluded that I'm old :lol: BTW, the half-filipino-half-jamaican BA of our team was telling about the remark our Indian teammate made to her about me, after seeing my pic that was taken by another ChennaivAsi who recently visited our place: 'Hey, I was thinking that this guy must be young but he is so grey'...His earlier notion could have been based on the way I speak in conf calls...however I've never tried to give the impression 'I'm also youththu')

Like I mentioned in the prior post, this song was first heard while sitting in a bus in Oddanchatram bus stand, fretting why it was taking so much time in such a small place and not leaving yet. Like a great blessing, this recording shop which is very close to the bus station started to play this song aloud in a terrific music system and I was flying (instantly recognizing that this must be a recent IR number)! Well, from that point of time, I've heard it many times on buses and never had a chance to know the name of the movie. Still, I was sure that it was an IR song - going by the signature drum work and the strings. Not that I would have loved the song any less had I found out that someone else was its composer. It would have been a major surprise without doubt but couldn't have reduced the appreciation of the song any bit!

It was in tfmpage - i.e. more than a decade later - that I asked a question (in the song-stats thread) and found out the name of the movie:-) That way, this song is a very unusual case of being on the top-likes list - to the extent that every bit of the song can play from memory - but without knowing the credits / details! Blame it on TN's bus culture where they didn't announce the movie name but simbly played song after song :-) Funnily enough, in Y2K, there came a movie with the name kaNNa unnai thEdukiREn (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.php?ALBID=ALBIRR00265&lang=en)and fortunately I found out 'unakkAgavE vAzhkiREn' before that. (That makes it a small chain - unakkAkavE (nAn) vAzhgiREn - was the popular anupallavi line from the MGR song vizhiyE kadhai ezhdhu from urimaikkural).

I must mention here the fantastic music quality of the recording centers that supported the buses running between Pazhani & Dindigul! (That Oddanchatram center would have been one among those). They were phenomenal! Combined with the excellent sound equipments those private buses installed those days, it was such a terrific experience for the most part, despite the fact that they played them really loud. (During mid-90's, however, on occasions I had to request the buswAlAs to lower the volume to stop my son's non-stop-crying, often due to nArAsamAna noisy songs that occupied TN's soundscape).

While there may be a few other IR-SPB-SJ numbers in the history that were more liked by me than this, looking at just the year 1986, this is the undisputed champion for this combo and deservingly the last song to close this year :-)

V_S

6th January 2012, 08:42 AM

App,
I am still reading your MTK posts. Too hilarious.

This song is not so much of akkA-thambi feel, however...it has started to feel like ammA-paiyan

thEdum kaN pArvai youtube:(I think this is the quick-sand number)

if someone was in a "dry" thuvAkkudi for 4.5 years and then got employed in an extremely "rainy" Kerala, it was only natural to keep the eyes open for flowers - even during sleep. Due to strong beliefs in self-control / discipline etc, the nectar level - why even "speaking" level - was never reached.

What a terrible stereotyping and underestimating of Mr Viswamithra!
:rotfl2: :rotfl3:

It seems you are totally recharged during the Christmas/New Year holidays. I could not resist laughing out loud. What an energy in your posts. :notworthy: Your eye lock story was very interesting, but you ended so soon. It's unfortunate you didn't talk. :sad: But very nice reminiscence.

As you said, MTK songs are one of best in TFM. My picks are thEdum KaNN Paarvai and Ooru Sanam. Somehow I remember this movie also did well, not sure though. Could not forget Mohan's trademark costume and acting, especially in the songs, his unique shaking of head, always in tight shirt, mostly full hand.

Digression: (As this song is not a part of SPB-IR thread), still could not resist.
I could not believe how Kuzhaloothum KaNNanukku transformed from folk to jazz in Cheeni Kum. I would even say, only after the sibling, these two songs were a treat to listen. While the former is Chitra's signature song, the latter is Shreya's signature song. The guitar portions (1:22 - 1:33) in Baatein Hawa followed by the sax are extra-ordinary by any means. How the same tune (which most people associate to TN), when sang in Hindi with different orchestration completely transformed into a perfect Hindi song. That's the Maestro magic for you. It applies to other songs in Cheeni Kum too. Totally that TN flavor is gone. We have to credit Balki too for that.

I didn't want to post this video, still AB's charm in this song is unbelievable. His acting from 0:40-0:52 when he teases Tabu, I love it. The dialogues again are too good. Again one of the best picturized Raja song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9-L6rMjspE
End Digression:

Thanks grouch for posting Vaan Meedhile, stunned to hear the similarity.

app_engine

6th January 2012, 08:02 PM

nanRi, V_Sji for your kind comments & cheeni kum video!

When you have time, please post your observations on the other songs as well (esp iLanchOlai)...

I'll do the 'links-for-1986' post today before starting the year 1987...

app_engine

6th January 2012, 10:10 PM

The usual summary post due to EOY 1986:

Prior numbers, 1976 to 1985 (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=778163&viewfull=1#post778163)

Links for 1986 hits :

#216 pani vizhum iravu (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=778246&viewfull=1#post778246)
#217 manRam vandha thenRalukku (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=779049&viewfull=1#post779049)
#218 nilAvE vA (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=779056&viewfull=1#post779056)
#219 kAlam kAlamAga vAzhum kAdhalukku (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=779780&viewfull=1#post779780)
#220 singaLaththu sinnakkuyilE (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=779789&viewfull=1#post779789)
#221 enna saththam indha nEram (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=779800&viewfull=1#post779800)
#222 vanithAmaNi vanamOhini vandhAdu (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=780122&viewfull=1#post780122)
#223 meeNdum meeNdum vA (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=780620&viewfull=1#post780620)
#224 EnjOdi manjakkuruvi (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=781703&viewfull=1#post781703)
#225 kAlai nErappoonguyil (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=781735&viewfull=1#post781735)
#226 chinna maNeekkuyilE (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=781749&viewfull=1#post781749)
#227 kadaveedhi kalakalakkum (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=782073&viewfull=1#post782073)
#228 pOguthE pOguthE en paingiLi vAnilE (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=782500&viewfull=1#post782500)
#229 ennammA kaNNu sowkyamA (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=782905&viewfull=1#post782905)
#230 kAthirukkEn kadhavaththeRandhu (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=783543&viewfull=1#post783543)
#231 nAn pooveduththu vaikkaNum pinnala (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=784259&viewfull=1#post784259)
#232 sembaruththippoovE (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=784839&viewfull=1#post784839)
#233 oru nilavum malarum (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=784860&viewfull=1#post784860)
#234 pattuppoovE unnaippArththAl (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=785670&viewfull=1#post785670)
#235 manasu mayangum mounageetham pAdu (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=786336&viewfull=1#post786336)
#236 thuLLiththuLLi nee pAdammA (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=787018&viewfull=1#post787018)
#237 Raman kathai kELungaL (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=788225&viewfull=1#post788225)
#238 kaNNodu kaNNAna en kaNNA (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=789276&viewfull=1#post789276)
#239 dharmam saraNam (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=789286&viewfull=1#post789286)
#240 ponni nadhi (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=789292&viewfull=1#post789292)
#241 yAr thoorigai thandha Oviyam (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=791306&viewfull=1#post791306)
#242 thenRal varum ennai aNaikka (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=791318&viewfull=1#post791318)
#243 thEdum kaN pArvai (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=793955&viewfull=1#post793955)
#244 dhil dhil dhil manadhil (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=793974&viewfull=1#post793974)
#245 vA veNNilA unnaiththAnE vAnam thEdudhE (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=794328&viewfull=1#post794328)
#246 O vAnampAdi (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=794391&viewfull=1#post794391)
#247 kallukkuLLE vandha eeram enna (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=794396&viewfull=1#post794396)
#248 thaNNi thavikkudhu thaNNi thavikkudhu (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=794399&viewfull=1#post794399)
#249 iLanchOlai pooththadhA (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=794895&viewfull=1#post794895)
#250 kaNNA unaiththEdukiREn vA (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr.IR-and-Dr.SPB-249-உனக்காகவே-வாழ்கிறேன்-பாடல்கள்&p=795549&viewfull=1#post795549)

app_engine

6th January 2012, 11:22 PM

While 1986 didn't match the numbers of some prior years, without doubt this was the year of "super hit" songs as one can make out from the above list.

Unfortunately, starting 1987, there may not be that many IR-SPB numbers :-(

This was the year when Mano arrived and IR's project management + producers' cost management requirements drastically brought down the numbers of the celebrated combo in TFM. IR-SPB combo should have been still going strong in Te / Ka fields (even after the arrival of Mano) but the numbers definitely took a beating in TFM. While Mano was definitely no match for SPB (cannot be even called "poor man's SPB"), many songs sung by him became hits due to other factors (IR riding high, big-hero-movies, great female voices like KSC that compensated in duets, terrific orchestration on many cases, hit movies etc).

So, my hunch is we may finish up year after year much quicklier in this thread...

app_engine

7th January 2012, 12:14 AM

#251 தோட்டத்தில பாத்தி கட்டி பாத்திருக்கேன் பாத்திருக்கேன்
(வேலைக்காரன், 1987) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR4016'&lang=en)

Let's start 1987 with a biggie - i.e. from the Rajinkanth starrer that was a remake of Amitabh-Smita Patil combo's namak halAl. The only SPB song from a KB banner / SPM directed Rajinikanth movie where Mano & MV had 2 songs each! Ofcourse the SPB song was the top one in my list when the movie arrived and I can still enjoy the song - the beatsy pallavi, the smooth flowing interludes and the folksy saraNams. Balu brings in so much of energy to the song with his thuLLal rendering and Rajinikanth is enjoyable on screen as well. I liked the song's setting too - when the * hotel singer passes out after a few lines - very sweet part that - SPS sings a couple of lines for Amala, ending as 'thOttam'. As the program is 'andhAdhi', someone has to start with 'thOttam' and Senthil pushes Rajini to sing & dance :-)

The Hindi original came during my college days (I probably mentioned about its attractive trailers in some hub post) and I watched it in theater (Sona or Meena of Trichy) as well as college audi :-) Those days we had great liking for the 'aaj rapat jaayE' song :wink: Though I didn't understand Hindi much then, I found the movie quite funny (I still remember AB's Vijay Hazare / Vijay Manjrekar narration comedy). OTOH, I never had a chance to watch vElaikkAran on theater when it arrived (self-declared-cinema-viradham for a few months during that time period I think) but watched on VHS a few years back (got at Devon ave Chicago). My son liked it and insisted on watching many times until the player went bad...but I got bored in the first watch itself :-( romba romba sumAr for a Rajini film.

KSC has sung very nicely the vA vA vA vA kaNNA vA and one feels bad for the heroine who had to dance on snow (barefoot I think, also with no protective clothing)...I wouldn't have felt that bad had I watched it at the time of arrival but not after my first visit to NY in 1996 when there was huge pile of snow everywhere. That is my #2 fav song from this album. enakkuththAn is sweet too, with some nice orchestration. I don't have that much liking for the other three numbers of this album (mAmanukku mylapore, peththu eduththava thAn, vElai illAthavan thAn) but all of them became popular thanks to the Rajini factor IMO.

A relatively weak album overall but the SPB song is top-notch without a doubt!

baroque

7th January 2012, 02:32 AM

Good job posting the featured compositions links update for us, app_eng.:ty:

both namak halAl and Velaikkaran albums have some favorite songs.

aaj rapat jaye... kishore da's duet with asha was a popular composition, seen in TV.

ORIENTAL RECORDS came out with a nice combo.:musicsmile:

VELAIKKARAN and EN BOMMUKUTTI AMMAVUKKU.

பாலா has sung less for other fellows too during 1987 in தமிழ்.

சங்கீத வானில்....சின்னப் பூவே மெல்லப் பேசு... Lover boy's must listen romantic composition. bus stand, tea kadaigal, blast them.

ஒரு காதல் என்பது.....சின்னத்தம்பி பெரியத்தம்பி .

ஏதோ பார்த்தேன் ... ரெண்டு தான் memorable songs

but.. DISCO ILAYARAJA'S Anand is here.http://www.mayyam.com/talk/images/smilies/musicsmile.gif

Vinatha.

app_engine

7th January 2012, 03:18 AM

yw, baroque!

BTW, though there are not that many SPB-IR hits in 1987, looks like we'll reach double digits :-)

(kAdhal parisu, Anand, pAdu nilAvE and some singles from other movies...)

baroque

7th January 2012, 03:26 AM

yeah number are less, but all devastating compositions from IR :-D

vaa veliye.... Subha panthuvarali composition like vaigaraiyil..... , my favorite.

7th January 2012, 11:45 AM

app,

great job with the series! It's nice concept.. Apart from tracing the evolution of IR-SPB combo, it's taking us all through our own personal nostalgic memories associated with the movies..

San_K

8th January 2012, 01:15 PM

இந்த டியூன் SPB பாடுவதற்கு முன்னரே உன்னி மேனனுக்கு இளையராஜா கொடுத்து இருக்கிறார். தென்றல் வரும் பாடல் உன்னி மேனனுக்கு தெரிந்திருக்க வாய்ப்பில்லையா அல்லது கடுப்பில் இப்படி சொல்கிறாரா?. தெரிந்திருக்க வாய்ப்பில்லை என்றே நினைக்கிறேன். ஆனால் எனக்கு தென்றல் வரும் வரிகளை விட அங்கும் இங்கும் வரிகள் பிடித்திருக்கின்றன.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XvOScv1rjcI

Wondering what would be if SPB was there in the place of Mano :lol:

#242 தென்றல் வரும் என்னை அணைக்க
(பாரு பாரு பட்டணம் பாரு, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2554'&lang=en)

This was the other song from the same movie that I had in that disk (mentioned in my last post). SPB sounds different in this too but this one is a much more acceptable song (sweet melody & the queen in decent form). rAsA had used veeNai freely. And with his chords, drums and flute this song is quite pleasing to the ears. Unlike 'yAr thoorigai', I don't remember hearing this song ever - i.e. prior to this "history-unknown-CD". One of the reasons could be my progressively-less-time-spent-inside TN. Another could be that the songs of PPPP weren't that popular among the masses (and happened to be in a flop movie).

However, the song has youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvOScv1rjcI)presence with above-average viewings for rAsA songs of unknown movies. Interesting to see that the heroine was the same girl who called Mohanlal as 'kazhudha' in that super-duper-mega-hit Chithram :-) Since she was introduced only the prior year as a "side actress" by BR (andha nilAvaththAn nAn kaiyila pudichchEn), it's possible this was her first as heroine. After all, she did another "2nd-heroine" role with BR in another movie this year also. (podi nadaiyA pORavarE, poRuththirunga nAnum vArEn).

Her wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranjini_(actress))page doesn't mention anything about her first movie as heroine. It has some other interesting info, however - that she was Singapore born and a lawyer by education prior to acting. In any case, though she hasn't done much in TF other than the two roles she did in MM & KK, she had earned a permanent place among MF lovers thanks to the phenomenal success of chithram.

San_K

8th January 2012, 01:33 PM

#233 ஒரு நிலவும் மலரும்
(நானும் ஒரு தொழிலாளி, 1986 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2284'&lang=en)

சிறு வயதில் எங்கள் தெருவில் திருவிழாக்களில் போடப்படும் மேடைகளில் கமல் டான்ஸ் பாடல்கள் முக்கிய இடம் பிடிக்கும். ஏகப்பட்ட கமல் பேன்ஸ் இருப்பார்கள் அவர்களிடையே இந்த பாடலும் பேமஸ்

app_engine

9th January 2012, 02:30 AM

nanRi, RR sir!
I'm glad that these reminiscences have also evoked pleasant (or otherwise) malarum ninaivukaL to many music lovers :-)

San_K,
Is there some Unni Menon speech in the youtube link posted by you? (It played 'thenRal varum' song and I didn't wait till the song to be over...)

app_engine

9th January 2012, 07:54 AM

#252 கூக்கூ என்று குயில் கூவாதோ?
(காதல் பரிசு, 1987 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1350'&lang=en)

Another 1987 movie that I watched only in U.S. a few years back on a rented DVD where both chEchchi and aniyaththi acted with a handsome Kamal (well, I never liked that hairstyle but it seemed to be a craze with girls then). I think this was pre-nAyakan and during my cinema-viradham period. Otherwise I couldn't have possibly missed it, especially with heavy pressure from bachelor associates on Sat evenings to watch the latest TF release in Palakkad. (Interestingly, when tickets were getting sold in "black" in the nearby CBE for many biggies, there had been absolutely no issue in getting tickets in Pkd those days.) Well, going by the DVD watch, it was a good-miss as the movie is such a bore.

This song, however, is so sweet to listen and not a bore :-) With some sweet drum work, nice orchestration and excellent singing by our star pair, it's enjoyable even decades after its arrival. Sounding pretty fresh, IMHO. Another album that I never owned / recorded but heard solely on buses very frequently. Ofcourse the RMV produced movie had horrible picturization (not just this song, most songs with the exception of one duet). IIRC, both chEchi & aniyaththi were on the verge of retirement (i.e. getting married) and I'm not sure if they've acted with KH any more. Also, this is possibly the only movie where both sisters acted with KH. (They both acted with Rajini in engEyO kEtta kural, with Mohan in idhayakkOyil and with Prabhu/Suresh in veLLai rOjA...there may be other cases as well but I can remember only these few).

app_engine

9th January 2012, 08:02 AM

kookkoo youtube :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeUa9f6_7No&feature=related

V_S

9th January 2012, 09:43 AM

Yes, it was very boring movie. I also wanted to meet the costume designer for this film. So embarrassing costumes throughout. Especially watch the skirt (:unsahikkable: ) and dark pink dress which chechi is wearing, not to miss Kamal's Ramarajan borrowed dress. Full of overacting from both sisters and even to some extent Kamal, especially in Ey unnai thaane song. Better to miss this film. This is the time when both the sisters are already out of market and Amala stepped in.

9th January 2012, 11:49 AM

V_S, agree. It was like a telugu dub movie :lol: IR must've composed the songs in couple hours.

groucho070

9th January 2012, 12:27 PM

Hey, unnaithAne dance :rotfl: Enjoyed it then, but :oops: now. Kathal Parisu is Telugu dub? I....don't think so. Sathya films illa?

Edit. RR said, "like a telugu dub", missed the point, sorry.

Divine22

9th January 2012, 02:15 PM

Hi all,

Yes, indeed a lame & boring movie. The 'hey unnaithaane song ' seems like a stunt man doing dance moves, the small size, kinda of Chinese face guy, dances on funnily :laugh:

And the other guy (2nd hero/villain). its the same guy in "Then poove song" (Anbulla Rajinikanth) right ?

Koo-koo endru kuyil, sweet duet song ... breezy & easy ...

app_engine

9th January 2012, 03:44 PM

#253 ஏய் உன்னைத்தானே
(காதல் பரிசு, 1987 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1414'&lang=en)

While I was not a big fan of this song (that has poorer saraNam than the pallavi, a rarity IMO in IR songs), it compares to 'kaNNA unaiththEdukiREn' in one aspect among IR-SPB-SJ numbers. That of having "double interlude" prior to second saraNam. In KUTV, SJ sings the first saraNam wholesale and there's an interlude before SPB jumps in and another after he briefly sings the pallavi. Similarly, SPB does the whole of first part of this number (even changes his voice to suit two competing dancers I think, one sounding like Mano :lol2:) and there's a terrific wind instrument piece interlude before SJ briefly sings the pallavi followed by another interlude.

Ofcourse, that is the only similarity as this song lacks any emotional content that I can connect to. However, being subjected to listening this 100's of times, I remember every portion of the song (which will play from memory). Almost sounding like a Bappi Lahiri number (say, those in aboorva sahOdharigaL - rOsy my name is rOsy / ennai yArum thottathillai thottavanai vittathillai kinds) and TN-ers were forced to listen to a lot of such numbers at one period. There was an audience for such songs and buses happily broadcast them.

PARAMASHIVAN

9th January 2012, 03:51 PM

(even changes his voice to suit two competing dancers I think, one sounding like Mano :lol2:) .

Annan Plum ah seekirama aajar aagumaru intha neethivan kattalai vidukirar :lol2:

PARAMASHIVAN

9th January 2012, 03:58 PM

App anna

what is wrong Bappi Lahiri's songs, infact his song "EngenGe nee thaan naan anganGE" was quite famous :)

BTW, There was a SPB +KSC song in the early 90's (IIRC) called "I Love you, rou kadalum lalaium satchi", any idea of the movie name ?

app_engine

9th January 2012, 04:01 PM

App anna

what is wrong Bappi Lahiri's songs, infact his song "EngenGe nee thaan naan anganGE" was quite famous :)

There was nothing wrong with the songs themselves - just that my 'dil' didn't connect with them :-)

PARAMASHIVAN

9th January 2012, 04:03 PM

Oh OK :)

Plum

9th January 2012, 05:41 PM

That hey unnaithaane interlude was a precursor to some programme in radio ceylon in late 80s, early 90s.

jaiganes

9th January 2012, 08:01 PM

The post modernist kuththu song sung by Malaysia "salaam podu guruve idhu salt kotta siluve" is from this movie - a point worth noting.

Plum

9th January 2012, 09:03 PM

Why is it post-modernist, jai? it is quite a while we discussed post-modernism in these parts, for one. It might bring rajasaranam back, for another.

Plum

9th January 2012, 09:31 PM

Why is it post-modernist, jai? it is quite a while we discussed post-modernism in these parts, for one. It might bring rajasaranam back, for another.

jaiganes

9th January 2012, 10:59 PM

ha ha ha - it is post modernist from primarily the fusion achieved with a purpose - kuthu blends with jazz/blues mirroring the situation of "vandalism of a high end sarakku hotel by a TASMAC entity" . Playfully done - but pertinent throughout. It is "Thottathula paathi katti" done with a nihilist frame of mind (aimed at creating chaotic cacophony as opposed to harmonious social commentary the former offers)..
<to myself> habba eppdiyo innikku pournami dhaannu justify panniyaachu + topic ukkum oru reference kuduthaachu - Soona paana - nee idhai ippdiye maintain panraa </to myself>
<to plum> ippo enna seiveenga - ippo enna seiveenga - aa javalakadi ippo enna seiveenga? </to plum>

app_engine

10th January 2012, 12:53 AM

#254 காதல் மகராணி
(காதல் பரிசு, 1987 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1348'&lang=en)

I'm not sure how sickly MGR was when this movie came out and whether he was really in a position to enjoy / comment upon film music. Had he been in good health and if RMV played him the songs, this could probably be the only one that earned his smile of approval. A typical MGR-ish song with SPB / SJ in good form and easily the better number in this album IMO. IR chips in with enjoyable drum work and peppy orchestration as well. (On-screen wasn't good IIRC). During the time of the arrival of this album, I have not associated this number with that movie, though this got played frequently at teakkadais as well.

This was the time period when I spent more time with my walkman with cassettes full of beauties from pre-87 and the songs of this year weren't given due recognition. Ofcourse, with some exceptions such as sheNbagamE & then pANdichchemaiyilE that were in more than one recorded cassette (I had the echo one also later on). Especially the EOP numbers were a rage everywhere. One specific instance of me hearing both kAdhal parisu & EOP songs together was during a visit to V'nagar where my grandma still lived with her youngerst daughter & s-i-l on this big Panasonic player - EOP was heard 90% of the time but KP was possibly heard once or twice only! (BTW, lost grandpa during my college days, the dearest-relative-ever-for-me, who told innumerable personal life stories to me over the years - his siRRannaikkodumai ones, how he got adopted by Ettayapuram maharAjA for a few years and enjoyed araNmanai life, coming out of it and his teaching career where he could give tution to KK's relatives, his pets that included a deer, his adventures that included walks in dry Nellai & Mugavai areas where cobras / koLLaiyarkaL abounded etc...my whole bus journey from college to his funeral was a shameless cry-cry-cry trip).

app_engine

10th January 2012, 01:30 AM

BTW, if anyone is looking for some hilarious reading, please check out the wikipedia page for kAdhal parisu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadhal_Parisu)

:rotfl:

oru sEmbiL here :

This is surely one movie where Kamal's role and performance pales in comparison to the collective power of an outstanding performance by two of the greatest and most beautiful actresses in South.

baroque

10th January 2012, 02:21 AM

#252 கூக்கூ என்று குயில் கூவாதோ?
(காதல் பரிசு, 1987 , ஜானகியுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs=%27SNGIRR1350%27&lang=en)

kadhal mannan, kadhal chakravarthi, Ultimate romantic heart, India ever has produced ellamey...namba Ilayaraja dhaan!:bluejump:

Hillside flute for the lilting Bala And Janu.

I love the second charanam.

Bala sings with so much konjal and Raja's romantic flute passage fill-in after mehangaley....., :musicsmile:
Janu:thumbsup:

Fantastic time, we grew up, App-Eng!
thanks,
Vinatha.

baroque

10th January 2012, 04:47 AM

thanks for HEY...UNAITHTHAANEY.....

DISCO ilayaraja is always popular just like folk raja or carnatic raja or every other types of raja!

We are always in the mood for Vikram or Anand or sakala kalaavallavan songs.:-D

IR rules , thanks to Bala for delivering the songs immortal.:redjump:

al_gates

10th January 2012, 06:37 AM

BA of our team was telling about the remark our Indian teammate made to her about me, after seeing my pic that was taken by another ChennaivAsi who recently visited our place: 'Hey, I was thinking that this guy must be young but he is so grey'...

Udane you could have replied like your favorite director Sundarrajan "Still I am a young!" :rotfl3:
Courtesy: http://bit.ly/yh3SVx

Like a great blessing, this recording shop which is very close to the bus station started to play this song aloud in a terrific music system and I was flying (instantly recognizing that this must be a recent IR number)! Well, from that point of time, I've heard it many times on buses and never had a chance to know the name of the movie. Still, I was sure that it was an IR song

App, this, this, this! College + first few years of work are certainly the peak of one's life when it comes to appreciating art and you must count yourself extremely fortunate to have enjoyed Rasa's peak in that period of your life. I was lucky to have Tendulkar at this stage although his best works werent as frequent as IR's.

OTOH, I never had a chance to watch vElaikkAran on theater when it arrived (self-declared-cinema-viradham for a few months during that time period I think) but watched on VHS a few years back

Velaikkaran was telecast as the Sunday evening movie in Oct 1989 last week on DD. I definitely enjoyed the first half of the movie though, not sure why you didnt.

Ofcourse, she was on the cover of every mag / talk of the town everywhere!
thangappEN!

Apparently the athletics part of the Asian Games starts only in the 2nd week and India was still gold-less at Seoul 86. Rajiv Gandhi had contacted the Sports Minister(KP Singh Deo at that time?) as to why we were yet wihtout a gold and the Minister asked PM to wait till Week 2 when Usha's events start. Rajiv then said something to the effect of 'Then send only Usha to the games'.

There used to be a program called Baaton Baaton Mein on Thu 8PM on DD(hosted by Uday Hande?) those days and after Usha's return, she was featured on the show. The interviewer spoke only Hindi and Usha only English, so I doubt if at all they had a meaningful conversation going. :) The 1st koschan he asked was the expansion of PT, which by then every kid in the neighborhood had mastered with the spelling(Pilavulakkandi Thekkuparambil)

My movie viewing had come down a little bit (after whole-year-topper-of-almost-250 in sem 2, I was close to class bottom within the 40-strong ECE in sem 3... so working on some damage control from sem 4, got great dividends topping the class in sem 6 & 7).

You read and listened to all this and still had acads like dis? :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

BTW, you watched Salangai Oli on the same day Kapil scored 175??
:yessir:

app_engine

10th January 2012, 05:29 PM

nanRi, baroque & al_gates!

We have one more song from KP (for today) and this was the one with some decent picturization.

app_engine

10th January 2012, 09:17 PM

#255 புறாக்களே புறாக்களே
(காதல் பரிசு, 1987 , சித்ராவுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1351'&lang=en)

After three duets with SJ, this one with KSC. I'm giving this song "benefit of doubt" w.r.t the hit status at the time of arrival. Though I simply don't remember hearing this song at all along with my countless listens of other KP songs under various settings (not even there with my chithi's recordings), going by the web presence of this number / youtube etc, I assume this had decent response at the time of arrival. Since I wasn't in TN, cannot say for sure and that's why the benefit of doubt.

However, when I watched this movie, this song instantly attracted me (both musically and for an OK picturization - like an oasis in that desert of a movie). However, I don't remember much about the scene now - Kamal, Radha, possibly some foreign country (or some northie city) and a gumbal of kabooththars + some lush green. Will try to look at the youtube this evening for memory refresh & will also post the link if its worthy in the overall scheme of things (and not just within the KP context). Listening to this song is a really pleasant experience in any case, especially the saraNams and interludes (weak pallavi IMO, possibly simple pallavees were insisted upon by the director for the sake of masses... but the same director got those awesome thanga magan songs & sOlaippoovil mAlaiththendRal only a few years back).

Going by this tfmpage thread (http://tfmpage.com/forum/20889.1544.08.57.28.html)it's possible that this song was not in one version of LP record and hence missed out by many recording centers. Which could explain why I didn't get to hear every time someone buscasted the KP songs. In any case, a great relief to listen to songs like this in these days of kolaveRi!

BTW, this is the post in that old thread :

hi.. mano & ramki,

There is one song in Kadal Parisu MD IR,
song : Purakkale Purakkale..... by SPB
This song I watched only in the film, can not find in audio,
Can You please upload this

jaiganes

11th January 2012, 03:43 AM

To add to vinatha's list an interestingly energetic "pookaLaththaan parikkaadheenga"..
but let's stop it here and let the Raja - SP discussions continue..
If possible let us move it into a relevant thread for the thannambikkai thamizhan VTR.

Mod EDIT: Posts on TR moved here (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8324-T.Rajendar-Music-Director)
-RR

V_S

11th January 2012, 05:42 AM

#255 புறாக்களே புறாக்களே
(காதல் பரிசு, 1987 , சித்ராவுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1351'&lang=en)

However, I don't remember much about the scene now - Kamal, Radha, possibly some foreign country (or some northie city) and a gumbal of kabooththars + some lush green.
App,
You have got some excellent memory. :D ---http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erhS9MoHk_8---. Somehow the song looks pale now. At-least through these songs, we can be very happy how far Maestro has come and delivered in millenniums and in 2010s, beating the 80's.

app_engine

11th January 2012, 10:12 PM

App,
You have got some excellent memory

veettula daily kEkkuRa vachanam : "vara vara ungaLukku romba gnAbaka maRadhi Ayittirukku" :lol2:

nanRi for boosting my morale :-)

app_engine

12th January 2012, 01:07 AM

#256 ஹே ராஜா, ஒன்றானோம் இன்று
(ஜல்லிக்கட்டு, 1987 , மனோவுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1264'&lang=en)

Murali sir's first post in the NT thread of TF section (Part 1) (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?1223-Nadigar-Thilagam-Sivaji-Ganesan&p=126691&viewfull=1#post126691) gives this interesting tidbit - that MGR attended the 100th day function of this Sivaji movie in the same month of his death (Dec 1987). I'm not sure about my memory but somewhere in the hub I read that MGR kissed NT's cheek on this occasion and MN Nambiar immediately demanded (jocularly) that he should get one too :-) The successful Manivannan movie had Sivaji acting with Sathyaraj (& possibly SPB sings for Sivaji in this song while Mano gives voice for Satyaraj). Radha danced for the second version of 'dAs dAs chinnappa dAs dAs' (same tune as the small BGM song of kadalOrakkavidhakal, starts as 'kaththichchaNdai pOdamalE' sung by KSC) and there is a MV song for NT 'Eriyil oru Odam'.

I did watch this movie when released, in Palakkad. I'm not quite sure whether the following phenomenon happened on that particular night but it definitely happened on a number of occasions: That of having to buy a ready-made shirt after deciding to watch a movie by peer-pressure (i.e. as an alternative to go to the room & wash a shirt for wearing to work the next day :lol2:). There was this 'Milan Dresses' in the Sultanpet junction of Palakkad - a brightly lit store on the opposite side of "Elite restaurant" (that we talked about in the discussion of meeNdum OT songs) where I did this "shirt-buying-to-watch-movie" thing on a few occasions.

I remember liking portions of the movie (I think NT retires as a judge but takes up the assignment of confining Sathyaraj to an island) but didn't like it enough to revisit / remember scenes / dialogues etc and have favourite parts to recall. The music album can also be called as one of the "average" albums of TFM (and by rAsA standards definitely below-average album, with Mano doing that kAdhal kiLiyE kAdhal kiLiyE song). Typically, after watching an IR movie, one song or two gets muNumuNuththufied for at least a week - even if I had not heard them before. In the case of jallikkattu, it was 'kaththichchaNdai pOdAmalE' and that tells the overall quality of the songs.

baroque

12th January 2012, 03:17 AM

yeah... no songs for tea shops or buses to blast from this album.

I think KAADHAL KILIYE.... Mano with Janu was heard during that time.:)

I am listening from my oriental cd.

JALLIKKATTU is along with PAATTUKKU ORU THALAIVAN.

In Paattukku oru thalaivan too, Mano's ninaiththadhu yaaro..... with Jikki is popular than the other duet by Bala.

Vinatha.

groucho070

12th January 2012, 06:45 AM

More than anything, app, I thank you for the link to Murali-sir's first post. Did you read the Deiva Magan scene Murali-sir wrote? Wow, like revisiting that scene, I can go on rereading Murali-sir's writing.

Anyway, I wonder if Mano and SPB had sang together again after this under IR's music. I think this is the only time.

V_S

12th January 2012, 07:35 AM

Well said grouch! Thanks a lot App. Just now read Murali sir write-up on Deiva Magan. He literally brought NT(s) in front of us by his thorough writing skills. :notworthy: We can feel, how much he must have enjoyed that film, moment by moment. Sadly, I only have childhood memories of that film watching it on Doordharshan. Murali sir's write-up tempts me to watch now. Thank you sir. Will be watching very soon.

BTW, grouch, you avatar is truly divine. I like his chubby smiling face with that hair-style very much.

groucho070

12th January 2012, 07:47 AM

V_S, ellAm pugazhum NT-thirkkE.

Just to not run away from the thread's nOkkam. Jallikattu is actually a very enjoyable film, with SR coming in with his previous avatars (chinnappadas, half-boil Arumugam). NT almost like what if Barrister Rajinikanth lived on to become a judge and have mellowed down. If I am not mistaken VV Sundaram was involved in the script. Can't find any evidence to that.

app_engine

12th January 2012, 08:06 AM

Did you read the Deiva Magan scene Murali-sir wrote? Wow, like revisiting that scene, I can go on rereading Murali-sir's writing.

pala muRai rasiththu padiththirukkiREn :-)
(padam pArththadhillai :oops:)

BTW, nanRi for additional info on jallikkattu :-)

app_engine

12th January 2012, 08:07 AM

nanRi V_Sji!

By the way, you have some 'pazhaiya bAkki' in this thread :-)

V_S

12th January 2012, 08:16 AM

:lol: I am still simultaneously working on two songs one for Raja duet thread and 'Ilanjcholai'. Please give me some more time. Also, you might have noticed, my thoughts on the songs will be more on the emotional/nature based on what I perceive on Maestro's orchestration, rather more on the technical side, if that is acceptable, as I don't qualify there, yet.

12th January 2012, 09:19 AM

...
The music album can also be called as one of the "average" albums of TFM (and by rAsA standards definitely below-average album, with Mano doing that kAdhal kiLiyE kAdhal kiLiyE song). Typically, after watching an IR movie, one song or two gets muNumuNuththufied for at least a week - even if I had not heard them before. In the case of jallikkattu, it was 'kaththichchaNdai pOdAmalE' and that tells the overall quality of the songs.
I had the same thoughts around that time, but after several years, one fine day I heard this again on car stereo during one of my india trips and since then I'm hooked. Man, how such unexpected listens in coffee shops or radio can grab your liking..! Really cherish those moments..!

In the movie, the song starts when judge Sivaji decides to mentor criminal satyaraj to settle scores. He says something like gurushethram, kannan, therOtti, arjunan and geetha upadhesam.. (you can imagine) And the camera zooms in on a miniaturized chariot.. Romba carebul-a gavanichaa, camera angle would've brought the chariot into the screen already when sivaji is lecturing. direction.. direction..

Ok.. as the camera zooms on the chariot, the song starts with the prelude.. the beats is actually like a chariot running. It's the main motif and comes through out the song. A trumpet lead takes it to the pallavi. The pallavi is quite simple ( but in picturisation you can see things like: 'nadakkum nadayile irul vilagudhu..' shows the legs of the actors and shadows fading.. :D ). The first interlude starts very interestingly but spoilt by the lousy humming - off key (who is the singer??). It's the charanam that brings us really into the music and mood. The charanam tune is really a take off on the chariot-running rhythm motif. Watch how the pattern is built up slowly and taken to a wonderful culmination.. and smoothly blends into with the pallavi. I never get tired of this part. Trademark IR! Probably he composed it just-like-that. But this is really the most beautiful part of the whole song.

Second interlude starts with a beatutiful piano piece and then you have strings, etc joining - typical IR orchestration. Fortunately no humming here. 2nd charanam comes then. Again the same build-up on the rhythm pattern and crescendo, .. and leading to the pallavi again. I love this whole damn part :)

Basically the song is rather routine and a cakewalk for the stalwarts involved - be it singers spb,mano - actors NT, SR - or IR. Lyricist kekkave venaam. Just stuffing words into the tune: ondraanOm, rendaanom, moondraanom.. kai sernthathu, kaal thadukkiyadhu, etc. Not even one word about upadhesam - even though the picturisation shows it. It's the charanams that give life to the song..!

PARAMASHIVAN

12th January 2012, 04:40 PM

Rakesh anna

Sadly yes, :sigh2: they have sung quite a few songs under IR, some in eraly 90's for some Sathyaraj movie, some thing along the lines of "Ganapthy" ..... I think the movie had Sathyraj/ Rehman and Kasturi :roll:

app_engine

12th January 2012, 09:25 PM

Please give me some more time.

ungaLukku illAdhadhA?
dhArALamA eduththukkunga, engaLukku kooduthal 'vatti' kidaikkum - neenga bank mAthiri :-)

app_engine

12th January 2012, 09:42 PM

Man, how such unexpected listens in coffee shops or radio can grab your liking..!

Exactly, varshA v/s bucket kuLiyal :-)

Excellent post / analysis on the song, I admit never giving this close a listen to the number :oops:

Reading your post enhanced my listen of 'rAja rAja chOzhan nAn' during the morning drive. The first pallavi has underwhelmed me on occasions (despite KJY, nice prelude etc - may be because in the back of the mind comparing the great 'en iniya pon nilAVe') but the spirit typically soars once the goose bumpy first interlude plays and it only gets better with the great saraNams. Now, the end of saraNam and entry back to pallavi is typical rAsA fashion and the song gives a consummate feel.

Taking a leaf out of the writings of V_S, I felt that rAsA possibly had ponni nathi in mind while constructing this song that has ponniyin selvan in the pallavi. The first interlude is like hogEnakkal phase, saraNams are like the Mettur / Bhavani / Erode phase, the guitar stuffed second interlude reminds Trichy area and the final pallavi (where strings are added) reminds the delta area :-) enna oru flow!

I love these lines by Vali (which happens to have my favourite part of the melody / drums combo - dance worthy):

வில்லோடு அம்பு ரெண்டு கொல்லாமல் கொல்லுதே
பெண்பாவை கண்கள் என்று பொய் சொல்லுதே

app_engine

12th January 2012, 09:47 PM

Lyricist kekkave venaam. Just stuffing words into the tune: ondraanOm, rendaanom, moondraanom.. kai sernthathu, kaal thadukkiyadhu, etc. Not even one word about upadhesam - even though the picturisation shows it.

:rotfl2:

PARAMASHIVAN

12th January 2012, 10:04 PM

Just for some fun

http://tfmpage.com/forum/15568.7398.23.43.08.html :lol2:

Murali Srinivas

13th January 2012, 12:15 AM

Thanks Rakesh, V_S and app for the compliments.

Nice write up RR.

Regards

app_engine

13th January 2012, 01:46 AM

#257 மலையோரம் வீசும் காற்று
(பாடு நிலாவே , 1987 ) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2514'&lang=en)

What a sweet melodious song, sung nicely by our man! IR keeps the orchestration soft - to suit the mildly pathos mood and the song is quite haunting. During the time of its arrival, I didn't even remember the movie's name after getting it recorded on a Sony EF60 cassette. It soothed many a night - listening on headphones during the bed time was such a nice feel! A regular on buses too and I never knew who were the faces on screen. Recently, when trying to get the youtube of 'malaiyOram mayilE, veLaiyAdum kuyilE' for my wife, I stumbled upon the video of this - an outdated Mohan doing his stock expressions / gestures. It was dismal and I think Nathiya also happens to be on the screen (not very sure). Now I know the movie's name - the Mu.Mehta line from the mAn-thEn movie :wink:

By this time, I've changed a couple of rooms and ended in the biggest room of the 'Fort view' lodge - a bachelor accommodation place - that had the view of the Tippu's fort in Palakkad and was next door to the 2nd best hotel in that town during those days - Fort Palace Hotel - that had nice rooms, beautiful lawn service, fantastic restaurant & a separate, loud bar. 2 years into the job, I was still a teeto and there had been a number of bachelor parties during this time period and me & my college mate had to undergo the teasing as 'soup ghOshti' during every one of them. Interestingly, my room mate - a senior by 5 years - was not in town most of the time (travel job) and I had that huge room all for myself, apart from the many SS / IW novels he had (buys them to read in hotels during his travels) and the 200+W PMPO music system with dual cassettes, 5 band graphic equalizer etc :-)

He was a fan of TR's music and had almost all his albums & that's how I kept in touch with his scores even while away from TN - it was extremely enjoyable to play 'rAkkOzhi koovaiyilE' & 'indha malliga manasa' on that system! My cassettes get played too but not so much when he was around (as he wanted thALakkozhuppu stuff and mine were mostly 'EdhEdhO eNNam vaLarththEn', 'malaiyOram veesum kARRu', 'sheNbagamE' kinds). It was nice anyways whenever he was around and he was a fan of the "Nalantha" restaurant (what a nice name) and I became a regular there as well. This restaurant used to play TFM some times, Ayyappan songs during the season (that sounded more cinematic than even TFM) and some MFM hits.

Around this time, there was another shift in my musical leanings - though rAsA songs were still the #1 preference, like the way I developed a taste for MJ during college days, started to listen to a lot of recent MFM. I should say it was a glorious period for both movies & music for MF. I even had a whole 90 min cassette recorded with MF songs - including sAgarangaLE, Ah rAthri mAnjju pOyi, vaishAka sandhyE, manjal prasAdavum, neerAduvAn, Araiyum bhAva gAyakanAkkum. Actually, such songs occupied most of my (already limited) available time of music listening. I had HTNI echo cassette in which only two tracks were liked & listened (the title one and the flute based 'do anything') and at that time the quality of echo cassettes was so poor that one cannot use the walkman without a screw driver around (to adjust the head and get sound on both ears).

Looking back, I remember also feeling a little low / gloomy whenever I think of my rAsA listening choices during this time period - already dull 110 V kind of voltage, very tired after long work hours, heavy rain for months etc...'malaiyOram veesum kARRu' kinds only added to it. Well, it was way different from the bright days of school!

V_S

13th January 2012, 05:04 AM

That was an Excellent write-up App :clap: Nice to hear about your room-mate and his stereo system. The prelude strings feels somewhat exactly like our heart strings. How in the world he creates those sounds close to nature and humans. Going to listen those malayalam songs also that you enjoyed. Please pm me more or in Malayalam songs thread, please.

RR, Excellent write-up on Hey Raja.:clap: Spot on the portions at the end of charanam (Naanum neeyum ethu pirivinai bedham illai manakkavalai) where they both sing together, the tune there was ultimate.

It's the charanam that brings us really into the music and mood. The charanam tune is really a take off on the chariot-running rhythm motif. Watch how the pattern is built up slowly and taken to a wonderful culmination.. and smoothly blends into with the pallavi. I never get tired of this part. Trademark IR! Probably he composed it just-like-that. But this is really the most beautiful part of the whole song

app_engine

13th January 2012, 06:23 PM

nanRi, V_S-ji!

Please pm me

:rotfl2: (Please ask Plum why I'm laughing :wink:)

sArE, idhu palakAram vakai thAnE, (maRRa) palAna kAram illaiyE :lol2:

So,
dhayavAyi ivide nOkku (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?470-Malayalam-Film-Music&p=799517&viewfull=1#post799517)

PARAMASHIVAN

13th January 2012, 07:36 PM

wasn't there a song called MalaiyOram veesum kaatrU by SPB ??? was it from the same movie ?

app_engine

13th January 2012, 07:55 PM

wasn't there a song called MalaiyOram veesum kaatrU by SPB ??? was it from the same movie ?

yOv, did you read my post? :-)

We are talking about that song only :-)

Nerd

13th January 2012, 08:35 PM

wasn't there a song called MalaiyOram veesum kaatrU by SPB ??? was it from the same movie ?
:bow:

Thanks to some *serious* WFH yesterday was able to finish reading almost a month of posts. With playing the songs in the background of course. Great job app saar. Really sad that the series is going to get over soon :-(

MalaiyOram veesum kaaththu - One of my favoritest songs. Raja makes us cry with the acoustic guitar. Love the charanams. The melody moves at jet speed for such a sad song :bow:

PARAMASHIVAN

13th January 2012, 08:50 PM

yOv, did you read my post? :-)

We are talking about that song only :-)

Oh :oops: I got the song name and film name mixed up! :oops:

13th January 2012, 09:16 PM

at that time the quality of echo cassettes was so poor that one cannot use the walkman without a screw driver around (to adjust the head and get sound on both ears).
True.. :lol: I got fed up and went full into recoding onto sony cassettes. This is another great exprience. I'll be choosy and pick songs carefully and submit. The guy will ask me to come in a week's time. When you wait, wait and finally go back after a week, I don't know how he'll recognize, he'll be halfway recording it.. This is definitely more often than not.. You can listen your selections as you get near the shop. The first 2 times you wondr, then you are always expecting it. As I enter the shop, he'll be so busy and won't even notice you or say anything.. until asked 'eppo mudiyunga'.. The reply will be instant without even throwing a glance at you.. '30 nimisham' as though he has rehearsed it so much.. you don't care, listening to the songs is all on your mind now.. We go so eagerly and slot it into the player and keep your eyes and ears on the system. You'll be relishing it so much but there's always a show stopper - the guy would've recorded the wrong song, e.g. we wanted the spb version and clearly mentioned it, but he will make sure the wrong version is there. If you mention 'ninaithaal inikkum' song, you can be sure he'll randomly pick a song from the movie. Those were some days..!! There was one famous shop in ranganathan street, he'll often put in nice fillers at the side end, e.g. punnagai mannan theme. I wonder if he is still there..

app_engine

13th January 2012, 11:40 PM

nanRi, Nerd for the encouragement!

Yes, starting from 1987, I'm seeing a drastic reduction in numbers of SPB/IR TF hit songs and this series may end sooner than I originally thought. Still, not too soon - hopefully, we'll have enough to complete one year of this "dhinathanthi kanniththeevu sindhubAd" like series :lol2:

Nice recall of the 'typical behavioural pattern' of the recording centers, RR sir!

Me too had that 'wrong version of song' experience many times and got annoyed...

Unlike you people in big cities, it wasn't easy for us to get Sony / TDKs always (no burmA or chinA bajAr in Palakkad)...so, at times I had to settle for MELTRACK (Murugappa Electronics brand cassettes) and those had their own quality issues :-(

app_engine

14th January 2012, 12:51 AM

#258 பாடுங்கள், பாட்டுப்பாடுங்கள்
(பாடு நிலாவே, 1987 , சித்ராவுடன்) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2516'&lang=en)

I remember listening to this sweet number on a number of occasions in the bus and assume this was reasonably known inside TN / had air time etc, even though the movie wasn't a big hit or the songs weren't extremely popular. I didn't have it on cassette either but can instantly recognize the number when I saw it first on thiraippAdal. So, decided to include in this series. I'm not going to do that with another number from the same movie , vA veLiyE by SPB/KSC (kEttadhE illai). This has KSC in decent form and the entry of SPB into the song enlivens up much better as well. The mild semi-classical flavour helps the song big time and no one can do better than KSC in such songs IMO. She has really excelled right from the sindhu bhairavi days!

Another person who can sing with equal precision in such songs is obviously VJ. However, with KSC, IMO, most emotions are painted accurately (unlike VJ teacharammA) that makes it very pleasurable to listen to the songs (and not appreciate just the "parameters"). As I mentioned in my post on malaiyOram veesum kARRu, this was the time period when my listening got diversified to MFM and > 50% of my listening was KSC songs (TFM or MFM or Malayalam laLitha gAnangaL). I'm not very sure about the timing of the 'ente vAnampAdi' (http://www.maebag.com/Content.php?Code=12107&Param=Product)album (must be between 1986-89, even though many websites wrongly talk about this album as a 1993-er - may be that was the year when this was available on CD but I've never seen the CD and only know by cassette. I remember posting about the 'poonguruvi nee' song from this album in one of the hub threads and how I used to have the habit of gifting this cassette to many TN friends during those bachelor days. I simply love all the songs!

It was also possibly around the same time I had this Malaysia Vasudevan's non-film disco album (with the title Disco Disco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Vasudevan)) which only recently I came to know that had ARR's hand in it:-) I loved that 'poovE poovE vandhAl pOdhum, nee thAnE dhEvadhai' song so much.

Per the wikipedia link, this was the first album production of ARR and I was one of the few privileged ones to have it :

He has also lended voice for a few albums, the most notable among them is Disco Disco (1987), a collaboration with composer Dilip (A. R. Rahman) and playback singer K. S. Chithra (http://www.mayyam.com/wiki/K._S._Chithra). The album is noted for being the first album production of A. R. Rahman (http://www.mayyam.com/wiki/A._R._Rahman).[2] (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/#cite_note-1) Though it didn't become much popular, Disco Disco Vol 2 was also released later.

So, this was a time period when my music listening was getting varied. I'll talk about the most significant of them when we discuss the next album :-)