Does Love Exist?

[Thirumaran]

this is definitely gautham menon's best love story :D :D :D

Edhoe Gautham Menon pathu pathinanju love story edutha maadhiri solreenga ;)

not really but he had one other pure love story minnale i feel this is miles ahead of that though :notworthy: :notworthy:
then it is purest love story right?
Pure Love aa :rotfl2: appadi yethaachum ulagathula irukkaa :lol2:

[Sudarsh]

this is definitely gautham menon's best love story :D :D :D

Edhoe Gautham Menon pathu pathinanju love story edutha maadhiri solreenga ;)

not really but he had one other pure love story minnale i feel this is miles ahead of that though :notworthy: :notworthy:
then it is purest love story right?
Pure Love aa :rotfl2: appadi yethaachum ulagathula irukkaa :lol2:

ok how about full love story without any other elements in it like fight or villain except for that one scene where jessie's brother fight simbu!

[Thirumaran]

no sudarsh.. i was not mentioning on the film.. Film paththi niraya paesi bore adichiduchchu :noteeth:

I was amused by the term pure love :lol2: Laugh worthy :wink:

[sathya_1979]

no sudarsh.. i was not mentioning on the film.. Film paththi niraya paesi bore adichiduchchu :noteeth:

I was amused by the term pure love :lol2: Laugh worthy :wink:
TM, every love is Pure Love, degree of purity varies :wink:

[Appu s]

Pure Love aa :rotfl2: appadi yethaachum ulagathula irukkaa :lol2:
Appa love-ye illamala ellarum kalyanam panni kudumbam nadathuranga :lol2:

[MADDY]

adhellam pure love illainngra madhiri illa aagudhu :P

purest love i have ever seen on screen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120772/).............a gay falling in love with a female friend of his - this is love minus the sex.......idhallavo louuu 8-)

[Dhanya]

purest love i have ever seen on screen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120772/).............a gay falling in love with a female friend of his - this is love minus the sex.......idhallavo louuu 8-)

Rudd's character doesn't fall in love with her!! She falls in love with him but he tells her she's only his friend!! Sorry OT but had to say it!!

[Movie Cop]

adhellam pure love illainngra madhiri illa aagudhu :P

purest love i have ever seen on screen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120772/).............a gay falling in love with a female friend of his - this is love minus the sex.......idhallavo louuu 8-)
Maddy,
Not sure if you meant Louu minus sex or sexual intent.

If it is the latter then, [Love] - [Sexual Intent] != [Love] :P

Appadi paartha, Father's relationship to a daugther in general or (in some cases) even a bro' relationship to a sis-laam kooda oru vagayaana "louu"-nu sollalaam illayA :P

[MADDY]

purest love i have ever seen on screen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120772/).............a gay falling in love with a female friend of his - this is love minus the sex.......idhallavo louuu 8-)

Rudd's character doesn't fall in love with her!! She falls in love with him but he tells her she's only his friend!! Sorry OT but had to say it!!

oh yes, u r right - but if you notice he does fall in love for a brief moment, he gets caught in a dilemma to whether start a family with Jeniffer - beautiful movie......one of my all time favorites :)


If it is the latter then, [Love] - [Sexual Intent] != [Love] Razz

adhu oru karuthhu :P


Appadi paartha, Father's relationship to a daugther in general or (in some cases) even a bro' relationship to a sis-laam kooda oru vagayaana "louu"-nu sollalaam illayA Razz

father, brother, aunt are all blood relations - so its not a big deal.........come to think of it - how many females, apart from blood relations, do we "love" minus the sexual intent :)

[Mahen]

adhellam pure love illainngra madhiri illa aagudhu :P

purest love i have ever seen on screen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120772/).............a gay falling in love with a female friend of his - this is love minus the sex.......idhallavo louuu 8-)

Being a sucker for lovuu stories,intha padathe eppadi miss pannen :roll: :x

[Movie Cop]

father, brother, aunt are all blood relations - so its not a big deal.........come to think of it - how many females, apart from blood relations, do we "love" minus the sexual intent :)
My bad, actually, I meant "feelings" than intent.
[Louu] - [Sexual Peelings/Intent] is not [Louu]-ngren. :P
Your scenario is more of friendship, isn't... When we are talking louu, (louu making also becomes a part of it, by default), illaya? :P

Didn't mean to be a "Karuthu Kandasamy" on the louu topic... So, let me stop here. :)

[Thirumaran]

no sudarsh.. i was not mentioning on the film.. Film paththi niraya paesi bore adichiduchchu :noteeth:

I was amused by the term pure love :lol2: Laugh worthy :wink:
TM, every love is Pure Love, degree of purity varies :wink:

love piece vanthaachchu .. :redjump:

Suthamaana nei nnu solroam.. Kadaikaaran un kitta "ithula kuppai irukku oru 20 % .. michcham ellaam pure nnu sonnaa enna pannuva :roll:

Pure love nnu degree level la nee solrathalayum intha maathiri yethaachum irukkaa :think:




Pure Love aa :rotfl2: appadi yethaachum ulagathula irukkaa :lol2:
Appa love-ye illamala ellarum kalyanam panni kudumbam nadathuranga :lol2:

aduththa love piece.. :boo:

Love is a corrupted concept.. athu marriage la applicable aagaathu :poke: Marriage is a idiotic concept.. Athu vaera ithu vaera.. :yes:

marriage kku appuram poalaam as VTV is about love (that is how some so called youngters say :roll: ) alone :mrgreen:

Love kkum Pure Love kkum definitions, differences and examples solla mudiyumaa :huh:

Ithula VTV la love nnu kaatapadurathu entha vagai :roll:

[Appu s]

no sudarsh.. i was not mentioning on the film.. Film paththi niraya paesi bore adichiduchchu :noteeth:
I was amused by the term pure love :lol2: Laugh worthy :wink:


You were not talking about VTV :poke:


Love is a corrupted concept.. athu marriage la applicable aagaathu :poke: Marriage is a idiotic concept.. Athu vaera ithu vaera.. :yes:

marriage kku appuram poalaam as VTV is about love (that is how some so called youngters say :roll: ) alone :mrgreen:

Adhula paarunga TM, marriage ஒரு நிகழ்வு, Love ஒரு உணர்வு.. Unarve illama ethukku mariage-nnuthan naan ketten.. kuzhappikaathenga ;)

[Thirumaran]

Adhula paarunga TM, marriage ஒரு நிகழ்வு, Love ஒரு உணர்வு.. Unarve illama ethukku mariage-nnuthan naan ketten.. kuzhappikaathenga ;)

Love oru unarvaa :rotfl: athu eppadi patta unarvu nnu sollaen :noteeth:

naan kuzhapikaranaa :lol2: Sathya va paaru.. Pure love nnu degree kanakulla ennamo solraapla :rotfl2:
neeyum love, pure love paththi appadiyae unarchi maelida, ethaachum sollanumnu thudikirathu purithu .. Sollidu... :P

[Appu s]

Adhula paarunga TM, marriage ஒரு நிகழ்வு, Love ஒரு உணர்வு.. Unarve illama ethukku mariage-nnuthan naan ketten.. kuzhappikaathenga ;)
Love oru unarvaa :rotfl: athu eppadi patta unarvu nnu sollaen :noteeth:

Athu neenga Unaranum, sonnalaam puriyathu :lol2: Unarchiye ulagathula kidyathunnu solravanga kitta ennannu solrathu :sigh2: TM neenga comedy panrengannu theriyuthu.. ithoda nirithukkuvom :wave:

[Thirumaran]

chummaa :P

sari vidu.. unakku intha vilayaattu pidikala... VTV yoada oori poana Lover boy Sathya enna sollraarunnu paakuraen :noteeth:

BTW naan unarchiyae ulagathula kidayaathunnu naan sollala :hammer: though i am married :oops:

[Appu s]

BTW naan unarchiyae ulagathula kidayaathunnu naan sollala :hammer: though i am married :oops:
:lol:
Married or unmarried wat is so big deal,there is something called love is existing,you have to admit that :poke:

[Thirumaran]

BTW naan unarchiyae ulagathula kidayaathunnu naan sollala :hammer: though i am married :oops:
:lol:
Married or unmarried wat is so big deal,there is something called love is existing,you have to admit that :poke:

something is called and termed nowadays as love.. naan atha illainnu sollavae illayae :wink:

[sathya_1979]

love piece vanthaachchu .. :redjump:

Suthamaana nei nnu solroam.. Kadaikaaran un kitta "ithula kuppai irukku oru 20 % .. michcham ellaam pure nnu sonnaa enna pannuva :roll:

Pure love nnu degree level la nee solrathalayum intha maathiri yethaachum irukkaa :think:


Pure Love aa :rotfl2: appadi yethaachum ulagathula irukkaa :lol2:
aduththa love piece.. :boo:

Love is a corrupted concept.. athu marriage la applicable aagaathu :poke: Marriage is a idiotic concept.. Athu vaera ithu vaera.. :yes:

marriage kku appuram poalaam as VTV is about love (that is how some so called youngters say :roll: ) alone :mrgreen:

Love kkum Pure Love kkum definitions, differences and examples solla mudiyumaa :huh:

Ithula VTV la love nnu kaatapadurathu entha vagai :roll:
That's the problem with a feeling. Can you measure the affection u have on ur wife / daughter in % or numbers? NOBODY CAN. The same with love. By degree, I meant the intensity and intention.

Love is a corrupted concept - Explain Please. When you say that love is corrupt and impure, why there cannot be a pure love?

So, don't try comparing love with ghee, honey, kerosene etc. IT IS NOT A MEASURABLE QUANTITIY. IT CAN JUST BE FELT. You cannot quote examples for various forms of love. It is not a quadratic equation or prime number to show / explain with example.

Also, you said , marriage is an idiotic concept. Now that you have married, what does that imply? :think: :lol2: :yessir:

[Ramona]

If it does exist, how long can it or does it last for? What factors are responsible?

For example, how long you know the person and what you think of him/her for that time period? At a later time you may not be thinkng the same way about the person and feelings change accordingly.

Can someone dislike him or herself for loving someone at an earlier stage? How does it relate to the existence or non-existence of love?

These reason for these questions - I am seeing here some kind of "indefinite" love discussion. I means, something like - once you love someone you alway love that person. I know of cases where love fades even in the love marriage.

Sorry if I am digressing here!

[Kambar_Kannagi]

கடவுளும் காதலும் வேறு இல்லை
இது வரை பார்த்தவர் யாரும் இல்லை
முதல் முதல் இரண்டையும் பார்த்தவன் நான் தானே ....
தலை கீழ் தெரியுதே வானம்
தலை மேல் உருளுதே பூமி
கலராய் தெரியுதே காற்று
...எல்லாம் காதலே ....

ஆடைகள் அணிந்து அருவியும் நடந்தால்
உன்னை போல் இருக்கும் என்றுணர்ந்தேன் ...முதல் முறை உன்னை நான் பார்த்ததிலிருந்து
இது வரை என்னை நான் பார்த்ததில்லை ...உன் நிழலிலும் வர்ணங்கள் தெரியுதே
இது என்ன அதிசயம் சொல்லிடு
இரவெல்லாம் பகலாய் தோன்றுதே
இது என்ன ரகசியம் சொல்லிடு

நீ புன்னகை சிந்திடும் நொடிகளில்
நான் சிதறி போகிறேன் அள்ளிடு .....அழகிய வன்முறை செய் செய்
அதில் கொஞ்சம் இம்சைகள் வை வை
அது தான் காதலில் மெய் மெய்
அதில் இல்லை பொய்யடி .......

[pavalamani pragasam]

Had been a laughworthy subject for me for so long; now turned worry-worthy/wonder-worthy!!! Last month attended a love marriage- different communities- in Chennai. This weekend attended the bethrothal function of another love marriage in Chennai- not only different community but different religion too! Both incidents in close relatives' families! Parents are yielding to their wards' fancies and decisions! baaraththa paramporuL mEla pOttuttu bless paNNittu gauravaththa kaappaaththittu pOykittE irukkaanga! :huh:

[Kambar_Kannagi]

baaraththa paramporuL mEla pOttuttu bless paNNittu gauravaththa kaappaaththittu pOykittE irukkaanga! :huh:

அவர்களால் வேறு என்ன செய்ய முடியும்?
Situation might turn ugly if they don't agree. அதற்கு இது தேவல, என்னைப் பொருத்தவரை. :)

[ajithfederer]

Adadaa :lol:


Love is a corrupted concept.. athu marriage la applicable aagaathu :poke: Marriage is a idiotic concept.. Athu vaera ithu vaera.. :yes:

[Thirumaran]

That's the problem with a feeling. Can you measure the affection u have on ur wife / daughter in % or numbers? NOBODY CAN. The same with love. By degree, I meant the intensity and intention.


naan eppa sonnaen :lol2: neenga thaanae Pure love nnu oru concept eduththu measure panra range kku sonneenga.. :poke:

So Love is without intensity and intention but pure love is with intensity and intention with varied degrees. :roll: . Super :lol2:

btw enna maathiri intention :roll:



Love is a corrupted concept - Explain Please. When you say that love is corrupt and impure, why there cannot be a pure love?


athaan ungalukkae theriyuthe .. eppa Love ngra term kku munnaala Pure nnu Oru word poateengalo appavae, love ngrathu corrupted concept nnu neenga oththukittathaa thaanae artham :huh:




So, don't try comparing love with ghee, honey, kerosene etc. IT IS NOT A MEASURABLE QUANTITIY. IT CAN JUST BE FELT. You cannot quote examples for various forms of love. It is not a quadratic equation or prime number to show / explain with example.


If u can mention there are different forms of love, then u can define as well as quote examples for that.

Love ngrathu oru feeling athukku love, pure love nnu terms kandupidikka mattum mudiyumaam, atha define or example kodukka mudiyaathaam :lol2:



Also, you said , marriage is an idiotic concept. Now that you have married, what does that imply? :think: :lol2: :yessir:

Unmaya othukka naan ennaikkum thayanginathe illa.. I am an hubber and i am talking with you guys .. After effect of marriage :(

naan paravaa illa, love and then Marriage kooda aayiduchchu unakku.. what does that imply then :rotfl2: :yessir:

I think that in your case love failure aanathaala love, pure love, perfect love, etc nnu paesarannu :|

Dont worry be happpppppppppppppyy :cheer:

[Dinesh84]

TM, Define Louu in ur terms.. then we will see if it exists or not..

[rajraj]

baaraththa paramporuL mEla pOttuttu bless paNNittu gauravaththa kaappaaththittu pOykittE irukkaanga! :huh:

pp: Be happy you are not in the US. Here it is common for love to cross religious,caste(Indians),language(Indians),social status and national boundaries ! :lol:

[Thirumaran]

I know of cases where love fades even in the love marriage.

In fact innaya date kku Divorce cases niraya varathu Love marriages thaan. not that i want to tell Arranged marriage is the best..

The things is there is a term called love.. But in Physical approach there is no such thing.. :exactly:

Love as of now is one or more of Desire, Lust, selfishness, expectation, etc.. Ithu love panravangalukkae theriyum... ennamo punitham, athu ithu nnu manasa poattu kuzhappittu irukaanga... :(

Young age.. ellaam vivaram therinjaa sariyaa poidum :wink:


Thought for the day : Punithamae ippellam punithamaa illaatha poathu, kaathal eppadi punithamaagum :huh:

Sari Vaeala irukku .. appaala :wave:

[dev]

baaraththa paramporuL mEla pOttuttu bless paNNittu gauravaththa kaappaaththittu pOykittE irukkaanga! :huh:

pp: Be happy you are not in the US. Here it is common for love to cross religious,caste(Indians),language(Indians),social status and national boundaries ! :lol:

Adhil enna thappu???!!!... Idhuvum globalisation thaanye!!!... :P :lol:

[19thmay]

Problem with Thiru is that he always confuses Lust with Love and finally like Nithyanandha, he says Lust is Love! :lol2:

[Appu s]

Problem with Thiru is that he always confuses Lust with Love and finally like Nithyanandha, he says Lust is Love! :lol2:
:lol: exactly... for him nothing called love is existing.. for him boy-girl relations sharing just Lust,other than that there is nothing in between them. This is what he is trying to convey for long.

[Wibha]

Problem with Thiru is that he always confuses Lust with Love and finally like Nithyanandha, he says Lust is Love! :lol2:

:exactly: :exactly:

[Ramona]

They say "pure love" is more common in the youngsters. For example, with the high school boyfriend or girlfriend. There is no calculation. Both parties are so innocent.

Some of us would also agree that no matter how many friends we have had in later life, be it work or from post-secondary institutions, we can look back at high school friends as most true and real. :)

[Sarna]

Santhanam : kaadhal'ngradhu oru serangu maadhiri, soriya soriya sogamaa irukkum.... sorinjadhukkappuram (some santhanam fan finish this sentence :rotfl: )

[Kambar_Kannagi]

ரத்தம் வரும்(?) :roll:

[Appu s]

Had been a laughworthy subject for me for so long; now turned worry-worthy/wonder-worthy!!! Last month attended a love marriage- different communities- in Chennai. This weekend attended the bethrothal function of another love marriage in Chennai- not only different community but different religion too! Both incidents in close relatives' families! Parents are yielding to their wards' fancies and decisions! baaraththa paramporuL mEla pOttuttu bless paNNittu gauravaththa kaappaaththittu pOykittE irukkaanga! :huh:
Ellam oru integration kannottathula paakkanum :P I understand that its difficult for the old generation people to accpet the another caste/religion wedding... the gauravam you are talking about is emotional thing.. no comments in that :neutral: but things are changing.. not all parents are worrying about this.. out of 5 marriages in my friends circle 3 are inter caste marriage.

[Appu s]

The things is there is a term called love.. But in Physical approach there is no such thing.. :exactly:

What is this? :lol:

[Ramona]

..... its difficult for the old generation people to accpet the another caste/religion wedding...

It has been predicted that there will be one religion and once race and we can see that movement. Some are expecting one world government even. Then who will rule who?

[Sarna]

It has been predicted that there will be one religion and once race and we can see that movement. Some are expecting one world government even.

thani thamizh naadu(seperate country for tamils in India) venum'nu silar oorvalam pOraanga

Andhrapradesh'a moonaa pirikka palar mukkikittu irukkaanga

[Thirumaran]

Problem with Thiru is that he always confuses Lust with Love and finally like Nithyanandha, he says Lust is Love! :lol2:

Actually the problem with lots of so called youngsters is that, they confuse lust / desire / attraction for various things as love and finally ends up a loser. (in terms of money, sleep, mental piece) :rotfl2: Mainly guys :lol2: Girls in this aspect are brilliant enough mostly.. :x

[Thirumaran]

Problem with Thiru is that he always confuses Lust with Love and finally like Nithyanandha, he says Lust is Love! :lol2:
:lol: exactly... for him nothing called love is existing.. for him boy-girl relations sharing just Lust,other than that there is nothing in between them. This is what he is trying to convey for long.

naan appadi eppavum sollavae illa :poke:

btw ivvalavu paesura yaarum, ennoadathu love thaan or pure love nnu sollravanga.. ennoadathu pure love nnu solla kooda mudiala :lol2:

avvalo nambikka avangavanga maela :wink:

[Thirumaran]

Santhanam : kaadhal'ngradhu oru serangu maadhiri, soriya soriya sogamaa irukkum.... sorinjadhukkappuram (some santhanam fan finish this sentence :rotfl: )

not exactly...

Sirangukku marunthirukku...

[Appu s]

Problem with Thiru is that he always confuses Lust with Love and finally like Nithyanandha, he says Lust is Love! :lol2:
:lol: exactly... for him nothing called love is existing.. for him boy-girl relations sharing just Lust,other than that there is nothing in between them. This is what he is trying to convey for long.

naan appadi eppavum sollavae illa :poke:

btw ivvalavu paesura yaarum, ennoadathu love thaan or pure love nnu sollravanga.. ennoadathu pure love nnu solla kooda mudiala :lol2:

avvalo nambikka avangavanga maela :wink:
Ethukku avangavanga personal pathi inga pesanum? ippa Love pannittu irukkiravanga mattum than inga post pannanumnnu irukka enna?

TM,Leave alone these younsters park love and all.... everyone knows the difference,you have told that there is no Love at all ... dont divert the topic... talk your points clearly instead of posting too much emoticons.

[hamid]

TM,

whats the name you give to those those who kill themselves for not being to live together?

[Thirumaran]

naan en points sollittu thaan irukaen .. neenga thaan thiru kku intha problem nnu yethotho paesittu irukeenga..

you guys can try answering me instead of just talking abt your assumption abt my problems :P

P.S : Only one emoticon i used .

[Sarna]

whats the name you give to those those who kill themselves for not being to live together?

enna kelvi idhu :?

[Thirumaran]

TM,

whats the name you give to those those who kill themselves for not being to live together?

Inability as their paithiyakaarathanam not being cured.

Sari naan sollurathu irukkattum, what would u say for that?

[Appu s]

TM, just one question.. answer it. that will make everything clear.

What is the relation between Husband and wife? I remember once you told that there is only lust between them......

[Shakthiprabha]

Love is an emotion between any 2 individuals at any single point of time.

It can be amidst parents, siblings, children, freinds or lovers.

World CANNOT function without love. Its the basis of life moving around. Without love, its just hatred and none can live at peace.

There is nothing called "PURE love" from any perspective. Love is love.

Living beings tend to move on, in life and make new relationship or friendship. At any point of time, warm feeling would be extended between different individuals.

Love as an emotion EXIST. and its pure.

It need NOT exist only between two individuals, for indefinite period of time.

[hamid]

TM,

dont go into the practicality of it.. we r not discussing whether it is right or not...

when people say love is a feeling.. u said thr is no love.. just lust etc..

then what is the name of the feeling they had? is it not love???

[Thirumaran]

What is the relation between Husband and wife? I remember once you told that there is only lust between them......

I did not say that.. that is a different topic.. atha paesura alavukku ippa time illa..

As of now i am talking only on the relation between a boy and girl existing in the name of love.. :wink:

[hamid]

Love is an emotion between any 2 individuals at any single point of time.

It can be amidst parents, siblings, children, freinds or lovers.

World CANNOT function without love. Its the basis of life moving around. Without love, its just hatred and none can live at peace.
There is nothing called "PURE love" from any perspective. Love is love.

Living beings tend to move on, in life and make new relationship or friendship. At any point of time, warm feeling would be extended between different individuals.

Love as an emotion EXIST. and its pure.

It need NOT exist only between two individuals, for indefinite period of time.

wellsaid.. esp the bolded lines..

[Thirumaran]

TM,

dont go into the practicality of it.. we r not discussing whether it is right or not...

when people say love is a feeling.. u said thr is no love.. just lust etc..

then what is the name of the feeling they had? is it not love???

Perusaa onnum illa.. u know here people gets attracted towars Shriya's, anushka's etc.. for girls Maddy's, siddharth, etc. they know everyone cant get they really like..

They are getting settled with what they get :shaking:

[Appu s]

Love is an emotion between any 2 individuals at any single point of time.

It can be amidst parents, siblings, children, freinds or lovers.

World CANNOT function without love. Its the basis of life moving around. Without love, its just hatred and none can live at peace.

There is nothing called "PURE love" from any perspective. Love is love.

Living beings tend to move on, in life and make new relationship or friendship. At any point of time, warm feeling would be extended between different individuals.

Love as an emotion EXIST. and its pure.

It need NOT exist only between two individuals, for indefinite period of time.
Well said shakthi :thumbsup:

[Appu s]

What is the relation between Husband and wife? I remember once you told that there is only lust between them......

I did not say that.. that is a different topic.. atha paesura alavukku ippa time illa..

As of now i am talking only on the relation between a boy and girl existing in the name of love.. :wink:

ok i remember you told that,even sridhar replied for the same..ok leave it.. what is the relation between husband and wife then?

[hamid]

TM,

dont go into the practicality of it.. we r not discussing whether it is right or not...

when people say love is a feeling.. u said thr is no love.. just lust etc..

then what is the name of the feeling they had? is it not love???

Perusaa onnum illa.. u know here people gets attracted towars Shriya's, anushka's etc.. for girls Maddy's, siddharth, etc. they know everyone cant get they really like..

They are getting settled with what they get :shaking:

ah.. u r talking about those :hammer: saary aabisar..u kantinuu :P..

[Sarna]

Love is an emotion between any 2 individuals at any single point of time.

It can be amidst parents, siblings, children, freinds or lovers.

World CANNOT function without love. Its the basis of life moving around. Without love, its just hatred and none can live at peace.

There is nothing called "PURE love" from any perspective. Love is love.

Living beings tend to move on, in life and make new relationship or friendship. At any point of time, warm feeling would be extended between different individuals.

Love as an emotion EXIST. and its pure.

It need NOT exist only between two individuals, for indefinite period of time.

i suppose the topic is about the love existing between two individuals of current generation.... ada thamizh'a kaadhal'nga... kaadhal'a paththi pEsunga'na anbu, paasam'nu pesureenga :huh:

[Thirumaran]

Shakthi,
inga pothuvaana ellaarukkum idaila naama kaatura anba paththi paesala..

What this topic specifically abt the some people (boy and girl before marriage) involve in the name of love. :P

[hamid]

TM,

u r trying to take what u want :P

just answer Appu's question.. what is the releationship between husband and wife? dont they have love? dont they live for each other?

athu responsibility-nnu solli escape aakidaathaa raasa.. :lol:

[Appu s]

What this topic specifically abt the some people (boy and girl before marriage) involve in the name of love. :P
Ithu andhar balti :lol: the topic is Love(yeah not anbu,paasam etc) is existing or not,marriage is not the big deal...

[Appu s]

i suppose the topic is about the love existing between two individuals of current generation.... ada thamizh'a kaadhal'nga... kaadhal'a paththi pEsunga'na anbu, paasam'nu pesureenga :huh:
Sarna i guess you have not followed the previous arguments for the same topic long back in VTV thread,it was not just current generation or old generation,the topic was Love is not existing.... my question to TM is either married or unmarried, love is existing or not. thats it.

[Thirumaran]

hamid,
naan sollitaen.. kalyaanam topic different.. here i am concerned on the stupidy between a boy and girl in the name of love..

The fact is between them there is no love in real terms.

Note the bolded one.. That is the key..

Oru ammaa than payyana love panrathillainnu (anbu ) yaaraachum solla mudiyumaa :huh:

Whenever i wanted to talk on this i am talking only on the specific bolded one.. So let us concentrate there :wink:

[Sarna]

i suppose the topic is about the love existing between two individuals of current generation.... ada thamizh'a kaadhal'nga... kaadhal'a paththi pEsunga'na anbu, paasam'nu pesureenga :huh:
Sarna i guess you have not followed the previous arguments for the same topic long back in VTV thread,it was not just current generation or old generation,the topic was Love is not existing.... my question to TM is either married or unmarried, love is existing or not. thats it.

I think u misundertood TM :)

[Thirumaran]

i suppose the topic is about the love existing between two individuals of current generation.... ada thamizh'a kaadhal'nga... kaadhal'a paththi pEsunga'na anbu, paasam'nu pesureenga :huh:
Sarna i guess you have not followed the previous arguments for the same topic long back in VTV thread,it was not just current generation or old generation,the topic was Love is not existing.... my question to TM is either married or unmarried, love is existing or not. thats it.

appu,

the digression started on a love movie VTV not on love of any other relationship based movie.. So u shd get the point there :P

[Thirumaran]

Paavam Shakthi.. Periya lecture adichittu poitaanga :noteeth:

Ippa specific topic layum yethaachum solvaanga unlike others. :wink:

[Thirumaran]

sari saapidanum.. konjam vaela irukku.. later :wave:

[Shakthiprabha]

Shakthi,
inga pothuvaana ellaarukkum idaila naama kaatura anba paththi paesala..

What this topic specifically abt the some people (boy and girl before marriage) involve in the name of love. :P

tm,

enna relationship aa irunthaalum, ithaan fact.

andhandha nerathula rendu per kitta irupathu love nna andha nerathukku athu unmai. How long it exists between them IS NOT A FACTOR here to be considered to say whether or not love exist. And NOBODY can define any pure love because its "INTANGIBLE"

Divorced pair kitta poi keteenganna, when they cared THE CARE WAS TRUE. andha nerathula adhu pure.

[Shakthiprabha]

tm,
Guess I m talking about hte CONCEPT called love, and you is talKing about its AFTER EFFECTS which differs case to case :P and hence cannot be UNIVERSALLY concluded :poke:

[Appu s]

Its totally diverted now... i will try to find the old posts by TM.

Ok if it is the topic i am out here :wave: you cant generalize anything in that...no use of talking....
i just want to make clear whether you are married or not there is Love. :wave:

[Sarna]

I m talking about the CONCEPT called love, and you is talKing about its AFTER EFFECTS which differs case to case :P and hence cannot be UNIVERSALLY concluded

"concept called love is universally same, but after effects differs from case to case"

this statement really makes sense :victory: :victory:

:ty: SP akka

[hamid]

TM,

u r clearly diverting the topic.. and u give your own names and expect others to accept it :P

I dont know about VTV discussions and all.. but as you have said. we r talkign whether love exists between a boy and a girl or not..

for that matter.. u still havent answered my first question.....
yep.. it is a coward act, they dont know the value of life etc etc.. but what is the feeling the guy/girl have it towards the other person???

[pavalamani pragasam]

baaraththa paramporuL mEla pOttuttu bless paNNittu gauravaththa kaappaaththittu pOykittE irukkaanga! :huh:

pp: Be happy you are not in the US. Here it is common for love to cross religious,caste(Indians),language(Indians),social status and national boundaries ! :lol:

Adhil enna thappu???!!!... Idhuvum globalisation thaanye!!!... :P :lol:

:exactly: We have a lot NRI relatives too! oru Russia-origin maappillaiya magaLukku anga kalyaaNam mudichittu inga vanthu bandhaavaa oru reception-um vachittu pORathu trend! niRaiya veLLaikkaara maappiLLainga kidaichaachu! :noteeth: yaathum oorE yaavarum kELir!

[pavalamani pragasam]

TM,

u r clearly diverting the topic.. and u give your own names and expect others to accept it :P

I dont know about VTV discussions and all.. but as you have said. we r talkign whether love exists between a boy and a girl or not..

for that matter.. u still havent answered my first question.....
yep.. it is a coward act, they dont know the value of life etc etc.. but what is the feeling the guy/girl have it towards the other person???

It is vayasu kOLaaRu! Pure infatuation- 'hormone seyyum sEttaiyammaa' to quote a Vijay song!
In a car besides many machine parts like gears, accelerator etc there is one called brake. The so-called 'love' is being driven by hormones forgetting the 'brake' called 'sense'- aRivu. A vast majority of 'lovers' let their 'hearts'(read 'hormones') rule their head! A hundred and odd ingredients go into the making of true 'love' that can make two people live successfully and happily and meanigfully and with dignity. Marriage is a proven factory where this product is manufactured! :D

[Ramona]

Some of you are saying that we need love for world to go around. We see suicide sometimes when love is not reciprocated or one is not allowed to love the other.

Love is an emotion yes. The emotional investment in someone makes it hard to break up. This is why a divorce can be a difficult thing. Some of the people who go to the divorce court still love their spouses.

People do live or learn to live without love. What choice do they have if it is not there? It is not something you find at all times. If as in the scenario above, it is not reciprocated and one is matured enough, one can love oneself. Some matured people are scared to even love; they rather protect their feelings from getting hurt and so they learn to live without love.

Have you heard of people cuddling and loving teddy bears and pillows? :) In most white societies, it is for these reasons too, they go out and get pets - to share love and affection.

[Sarna]

Ramona :clap: :clap:

[Thirumaran]

TM,

u r clearly diverting the topic.. and u give your own names and expect others to accept it :P

I dont know about VTV discussions and all.. but as you have said. we r talkign whether love exists between a boy and a girl or not..

for that matter.. u still havent answered my first question.....
yep.. it is a coward act, they dont know the value of life etc etc.. but what is the feeling the guy/girl have it towards the other person???

Some one gets addicted to drug like heroin.. some people try to get cured or maintain in that state.. When in that state they dont think abt any others.. extremely selfish... At one stage they die because of this if not cured...

i dont call the drug addict is in love with the drug :wink:

[Sarna]

ellaarum innikku nallaa pEsureenga :D yaarukku kaithatturadhunnu theriyala :?

anyway TM anna :clap: :clap:

PP mam :clap: :clap:

[Sarna]

A vast majority of 'lovers' let their 'hearts'(read 'hormones') rule their head

When in that state they dont think abt any others.. extremely selfish...

:yes: 1000000000000000000000% true :yes:

but really kodumai to be in that state :cry2:

[Shakthiprabha]

sarna,

:lol2: podhuvaa kai thattidunga :lol2:

tm,



Some one gets addicted to drug like heroin.. some people try to get cured or maintain in that state.. When in that state they dont think abt any others.. extremely selfish... At one stage they die because of this if not cured...

i dont call the drug addict is in love with the drug :wink:

enna sonaalum, weird example kuduthu :evil: , edakku madakka pesara kuriyoda irukeenga. onnum panna mudiyathu :sigh2:

[Appu s]

TM, still you are diverting the topic,noone here talking about infatuations,hormones surappi and all...hormones marriage aana udana surakkurathu stop aakiduma?
If love is not existing for you guys between a male and female,then what is cooking between them after marriage?

[Thirumaran]

Shakthi,
inga pothuvaana ellaarukkum idaila naama kaatura anba paththi paesala..

What this topic specifically abt the some people (boy and girl before marriage) involve in the name of love. :P

tm,

enna relationship aa irunthaalum, ithaan fact.

andhandha nerathula rendu per kitta irupathu love nna andha nerathukku athu unmai. How long it exists between them IS NOT A FACTOR here to be considered to say whether or not love exist. And NOBODY can define any pure love because its "INTANGIBLE"

Divorced pair kitta poi keteenganna, when they cared THE CARE WAS TRUE. andha nerathula adhu pure.

Pinna illainaa solluvaanga.. :P

The thing is, the ones who said to be in love actually dont care for the other one or their surroundings.. They actually care for themselves... They get happiness while talking to him/her, seeing him/her, touching him/her, etc..etc..etc... ovvorutharukku one or pala requirements :noteeth:


that is why we see cases like....
1. Forget abt ur environment and commit suicide..
2. Ignoring others and running away..
3. Making conditions to live together, either directly or indirectly..
4. If another person with more money / much better looks / etc comes in ur way, forget the before one....
5. If the loved ones
and there are many such things..

That is what happens in majority of the cases.. There could be exceptions.. but only few. :P

So actually there is no love. People think that it is love :froggrin:

P.S : Again i was talking abt the so called love which happens between a boy and girl before marriage :fishgrin:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Thiru

enna thedeernu this kosteen, any problems :lol2:

[Thirumaran]

TM, still you are diverting the topic,noone here talking about infatuations,hormones surappi and all...hormones marriage aana udana surakkurathu stop aakiduma?
If love is not existing for you guys between a male and female,then what is cooking between them after marriage?

nee innum poagalayaa.. :lol2:



Ok if it is the topic i am out here :wave: you cant generalize anything in that...no use of talking....

[Thirumaran]

Some one gets addicted to drug like heroin.. some people try to get cured or maintain in that state.. When in that state they dont think abt any others.. extremely selfish... At one stage they die because of this if not cured...

i dont call the drug addict is in love with the drug :wink:

enna sonaalum, weird example kuduthu :evil: , edakku madakka pesara kuriyoda irukeenga. onnum panna mudiyathu :sigh2:

ennoada doubts questions ithukellaam bathil solrathilla.. :roll: At least i am trying to come with certain things.. athayum ippadi othukitta enna artham :fishgrin:

[Thirumaran]

Thiru

enna thedeernu this kosteen, any problems :lol2:

yeah.. I am in love with Anushkaa.. She is ignoring me :(

ok time to leave for home :boo: Later :wave:

[Appu s]

TM :fatigue: :fatigue: you totally diverted it... Ithai vida innum puriyara mathri ezhudha mudiyathu... Love-ye ulagathula kidayathu nnu sonnenga, ippa before marriage-kku maarittenga...thevaiye illama unga vasathikku ippa infatuations pathi pesurenga... inga yarum athai justify panni post pannala.... everyone knows the difference... why you cant answer for after marriage relation? :huh:

[Sarna]

At least i am trying to come with certain things.. athayum ippadi othukitta enna artham :fishgrin:

ஒதுகிட்டா or ஒத்துக்கிட்டா :?

[Shakthiprabha]

tm,

Answer me, is there anything called pure affection? (in terms of paasam, anbu etc i.e not kaadhal)

We cant find PURITY in any kind of emotionally bound relationship. These are tangible , ie cant be measured and keeps changing. Why dont u complain about parents who forget to shower affection to kids or kids who forget to talk few caring words to parents? Or freinds who turn their faces away ? or siblings who curse each other?


If we keep remembering them, all we are left with is negative feelings and then unfortunately we are forced to come to a conclusion there is NOTHING PURE. neither affection or love or lust.

But it did exist when it did. Whether or not it is present now is out of question. Every emotion (anger, lust, love, greed, devotion, depression, happiness) is momentary and fleeting therefore changing with time. But it still does EXIST.

like i said, u are NOT sticking to topic u are deviating to the "IFS AND BUTS " of qualified emotions.

[Sarna]

sp akka, ur theory looks like adopted by western culture.... like.... innikku enakku X'a pudichchirukku, so X kooda vaazhurEn.... after few days(or months or years) , X'a enakku pudikkala and Y'a enakku pudichchirukku, so Y kooda vaazhuren....ippadiyE my love getting changing from one person to other person'aa irundhaa, where will it end ?????????

oru vEla namma forefathers(thaaththaa muththaaththa, paatti muppaatti kaalaththu generations) ippadi nenachchu ishtaththukku avanga lifepartner'a maaththittu irundhaa, innikku namma nelama :|

[hamid]

TM :evil:

u r talking about whether love is stupidity or not.. which is debatable.. and most probably I will agree to your viewpoint thr..

but the question here is whether love exists or not.. u r trying to give various other names for that..

as per you : thr is some feeling which is termed as love, but it is not love.. then you have to define what is love as per your viewpoint

[Thirumaran]

:redjump: naaaikku continue pannalaam :boo:

[Wibha]

TM :x :x :x

[Plum]

At least i am trying to come with certain things.. athayum ippadi othukitta enna artham :fishgrin:

ஒதுகிட்டா or ஒத்துக்கிட்டா :?

adhai ezhudhinadhu TM. Think like that and read it again - you will get a third pronounciation that is more in line with TM's image ;-) :lol: :-)

[sathya_1979]

I think that in your case love failure aanathaala love, pure love, perfect love, etc nnu paesarannu :|

Dont worry be happpppppppppppppyy :cheer:
:rotfl3:
Naan lovela success failure paththi romba kavalai pattadhilla.
en kadamai propose seidhu kidappadhe :lol:

[ajithfederer]

TM,

Please elaborate the louu experience you had. Solreinu solrennnu romba naala dimukki koduthutu irukinga!! :lol2:

[Plum]

... why you cant answer for after marriage relation? :huh:
Don't touch there :lol:

[NOV]

:redjump: naaaikku continue pannalaam :boo: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Ramona]

:redjump: naaaikku continue pannalaam :boo: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll: :? :lol:

[NOV]

dig....


:redjump: naaaikku continue pannalaam :boo: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll: :? :lol:மனிதர் உணர்ந்து கொள்ள இது மனிதக் காதல் அல்ல! அதையும் தாண்டி புனிதமானது //// end dig

[Bala (Karthik)]

SP ma'am
:clap:

Where is the MovieCop?

[Bala (Karthik)]

adhai ezhudhinadhu TM. Think like that and read it again - you will get a third pronounciation that is more in line with TM's image ;-) :lol: :-)
:lol: Aauuuuu

[Thirumaran]

TM :x :x :x

Vidu.. unma kasakkathaan seyyum.. :poke:

How is Dev Patel ? :lol2:


Naan lovela success failure paththi romba kavalai pattadhilla.
en kadamai propose seidhu kidappadhe :lol:

:rotfl2: nee oru unmai vilambi :thumbsup:



dig....


:redjump: naaaikku continue pannalaam :boo: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll: :? :lol:மனிதர் உணர்ந்து கொள்ள இது மனிதக் காதல் அல்ல! அதையும் தாண்டி புனிதமானது //// end dig

Typo thaan.. But indraya sila cases a athu indirect sollra maathiri amainji poachchu.. not my mistake :|

[Thirumaran]

TM,

Please elaborate the louu experience you had. Solreinu solrennnu romba naala dimukki koduthutu irukinga!! :lol2:

nee vida maatta poala :P oru sappa matter athu.. :noteeth:

Sari today or tomm for sure.. :wink:

[Sarna]

dig....


:redjump: naaaikku continue pannalaam :boo: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll: :? :lol:மனிதர் உணர்ந்து கொள்ள இது மனிதக் காதல் அல்ல! அதையும் தாண்டி புனிதமானது //// end dig

Typo thaan.. But indraya sila cases a athu indirect sollra maathiri amainji poachchu.. not my mistake :|

thalaivaasal vijay dialogue from kadhal kOttai dhaan gnaabagaththukku varudhu :| :|

[Appu s]

dig....


:redjump: naaaikku continue pannalaam :boo: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll: :? :lol:மனிதர் உணர்ந்து கொள்ள இது மனிதக் காதல் அல்ல! அதையும் தாண்டி புனிதமானது //// end dig

Typo thaan.. But indraya sila cases a athu indirect sollra maathiri amainji poachchu.. not my mistake :|

thalaivaasal vijay dialogue from kadhal kOttai dhaan gnaabagaththukku varudhu :| :|
ungalukku mokkai podrathai thavira vera ethuvum theriyatha? :fatigue:
what is related to this thread talking abt that KD public nonsense in the auto?
Does LOve exist or not? - Topic

Yes or No, If no then tell me what is there between a male and female relation. :fatigue: If Love is just like a Naai relation then all the uncle aunty father mother doing the same without the so called Love.

[Thirumaran]

Appu relax... antha dog thing is just few cases who making love(inga meaning vaera :lol2: ) in front of others ... Inga fun kaaga vanthathu.. that is not the discussion topic :P

[Thirumaran]

btw enakku support panna aalaae illayaa :evil:

[Sarna]

appu, that was a cotextual quote for TM's quote "indraya sila cases" :P

u may feel that I am putting mokkais :| but really not .... but i am more interested to know what is love by understanding difference perspectives....fyfi, u can see me in all love related threads :(

[Thirumaran]

Shakthi, Hamid and others...

ithu love illayaa nu oru example koduththu kaekureenga .. naan athu kidayaathu from my point of view la sollraen silapoints vachchi solraen.udanae topic divert panrathaa sonnaa enna artham..

illa athu love thaanu mudinjaa neenga aaniththaramaa points vaendaamaa :huh: :roll:

i am trying to come with some answers..but my doubts and questions or still left unanswered... For example one below..




when people say love is a feeling.. u said thr is no love.. just lust etc..

then what is the name of the feeling they had? is it not love???

Perusaa onnum illa.. u know here people gets attracted towars Shriya's, anushka's etc.. for girls Maddy's, siddharth, etc. they know everyone cant get they really like..

They are getting settled with what they get :shaking:

Regarding Topic...
Not sure why everyone taking the literal meaning of that ...

Kadavul illainnu solra Kamalhaasanae thaan Anbe Sivam nnum solraar.. Athula enna muranpaadu irukku ?

Kaathal illainnu sonnaen.. Most cases (say 99.9999999 % :? )) in a relation between boy and girl there is no love... it is a combination of lust/desire/ attraction / selfishness / etc which people term as love..

exceptional cases ellaathulayum irukku.. atha consider pannittu.. 2 post la mudikirathukku ethukku oru discussion :hammer:

love paththi supportive aa paesinathula paarunga evvalavu kuzhappam...

oru silar like Sathya, pure love, love, perfect love nnu pala forms irukkunu solraanga..
Shakthi.. Pure love nnu ellaam onnum illainnu sonnaanga... there is only love..nothing else nnu solraapla..
hamid.. love irukku..aanaa athu stupidity nnu solraapla..
innum konjam paerukku entha mudivukkum vara mudiyaama enna question panrathulayae time spend aayittu irukku :roll:

[littlemaster1982]

Thiru,

Define love in your terms.

[Appu s]

Appu relax... antha dog thing is just few cases who making love(inga meaning vaera :lol2: ) in front of others ... Inga fun kaaga vanthathu.. that is not the discussion topic :P
Ada kool thanga eppavum :D i thought that was unnecessary to post it here, ok i understood that is out of context. :D

[Thirumaran]

tm,

Answer me, is there anything called pure affection? (in terms of paasam, anbu etc i.e not kaadhal)


why shd i :poke: neenga en questions kku ellaam answer panneeengalaa :huh:

btw pure love nnu onnu illaathapoathu pure affection nnu mattum eppadi irukkum :P



We cant find PURITY in any kind of emotionally bound relationship. These are tangible , ie cant be measured and keeps changing. Why dont u complain about parents who forget to shower affection to kids or kids who forget to talk few caring words to parents? Or freinds who turn their faces away ? or siblings who curse each other?



correct thaan... but say for example.. Mother - son/daughter relation.. at least from mother side in many cases it is not a selfish one.. expecting something in favor of the love / affection she shows towards his kid.. atha maathiri innum pala relation la u can find a considerable amount of people...

But only in the case of love as per topic such unselfish and unconditional affection cases is extremely low or nil.. That is the only relation which does not care (mostly) abt the surroundings.

BTW i am not complaining or pin pointing.. I am also part of all these relations..

[Thirumaran]

Thiru,

Define love in your terms.

ellaarum itha thaan kaettuttu irukeenga :P

if u read all my posts, it lies there... Poi kandupidinga :wink:

Ippoathaikku konjam vaela paarkanum :boo:

[ajithfederer]

Cho fan-nu correctaa nirubukuringa. Ketta kelvikku badhilae solllama suthi valachu .... :lol:.

[Appu s]

Cho fan-nu correctaa nirubukuringa. Ketta kelvikku badhilae solllama suthi valachu .... :lol:.
:lol:

[Thirumaran]

Cho fan-nu correctaa nirubukuringa. Ketta kelvikku badhilae solllama suthi valachu .... :lol:.

:rotfl2:

btw regarding Cho, actually he gets answers for everything, suththi valaichaalum.. The problem is certain people dont get as they dont really concentrate and interested in finding differnt meaning to his words :P

anyway athu vaera topic.. ippoathaikku me out, after some time :wave:

[littlemaster1982]

if u read all my posts, it lies there... Poi kandupidinga :wink:


Unga post ellam padichu, puriyaamadhan straight-ave kekkaren. Badhil sollunga, appuram discuss pannalam :P

[NOV]

read a joke in papers today:

man asks friend: what do you do when love goes out of a relationship?

man: I go back to my wife.

:rotfl3: I am sure TM will enjoy this joke very much.

[littlemaster1982]

Naalaikku idhai avar ellorukkum SMS anuppa poraaru :sigh2:

[Punnaimaran]

Love is an emotion between any 2 individuals at any single point of time.

It can be amidst parents, siblings, children, freinds or lovers.

World CANNOT function without love. Its the basis of life moving around. Without love, its just hatred and none can live at peace.
There is nothing called "PURE love" from any perspective. Love is love.

Living beings tend to move on, in life and make new relationship or friendship. At any point of time, warm feeling would be extended between different individuals.

Love as an emotion EXIST. and its pure.

It need NOT exist only between two individuals, for indefinite period of time.

Without love, there can be no hatred. To hate someone or something, you have to love someone or something. They are mutually non-exclusive.

[pavalamani pragasam]

btw enakku support panna aalaae illayaa :evil:

naan irukkEn! :2thumbsup:

[hamid]

btw enakku support panna aalaae illayaa :evil:

naan irukkEn! :2thumbsup:

MGR intro scene maathiri irukkuthu :cool:

[hamid]

TM,

request you to read the thread title first :yes:

[Thirumaran]

if u read all my posts, it lies there... Poi kandupidinga :wink:


Unga post ellam padichu, puriyaamadhan straight-ave kekkaren. Badhil sollunga, appuram discuss pannalam :P

ithellaam love illai nnu solliyaachulla... that shd be enough..

naan sonnathukku oru maruppum illa, rather u guys keep on coming up with new questions :huh:

ennaala thadumaari poi irukira youngsters kku vazhi thaan kaatta mudiyum.. vaazhapazhatha thoal ellaam urichchi kodukka mudiyaathu.. :roll:



read a joke in papers today:

man asks friend: what do you do when love goes out of a relationship?

man: I go back to my wife.


:rotfl2:

It is not just a joke. Intha maathiri state thaan love panra niraya paerukku.



TM,
request you to read the thread title first :yes:

I know and i am very much talking on that lines.. To put it simple, there is no exist between a boy and girl before marriage.. Mudinjaa naan sonnathu wrong nnu neenga argue pannalaam.. neenga ithellaam love kidayaathaannu kaetathukku naan athukku meaning ennannu solliyaachchu. athukellaam oru maruppum illa :huh:

[Thirumaran]

btw enakku support panna aalaae illayaa :evil:

naan irukkEn! :2thumbsup:

:boo:

Shakthiprabhavum inimae enakku support pannuvaanga :boo:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Thiru

PM kidaikaliya :huh: , it is ok if u r busy :)

[littlemaster1982]

if u read all my posts, it lies there... Poi kandupidinga :wink:


Unga post ellam padichu, puriyaamadhan straight-ave kekkaren. Badhil sollunga, appuram discuss pannalam :P

ithellaam love illai nnu solliyaachulla... that shd be enough..

naan sonnathukku oru maruppum illa, rather u guys keep on coming up with new questions :huh:

ennaala thadumaari poi irukira youngsters kku vazhi thaan kaatta mudiyum.. vaazhapazhatha thoal ellaam urichchi kodukka mudiyaathu.. :roll:


Love-ngara per-la sila/pala per pandra thappai vachu love-e illainnu neenga solreenga. Appuram edhudhan love-nu konjam ezplain pannunga. Ketta mazhuppareenga :huh: I still don't understand what are you complaining about :?

[PARAMASHIVAN]

It depends on what 'love' means to an individual. We are all exposed to different environment from which we have developed 'ideas' about what love is. So it may vary from person to person due to circumstances or experiences they have gone through.

In my opinion it does exist, it can either enhance your life or destroy it big time :sigh2:

[Punnaimaran]

I love MY father.
I love MY mother.
I love MY son.
I love MY daughter.
I love My wife.
Pure Selfishness.

I loved the girl nextdoor.
It was a "pure unselfish love", but eventually married MY wife. :rotfl3: :cheer:

Is this the "pure love" we are talking about??

[Ramona]

"Does love exists"?

May be to avoid the confusion the steps should be followed in answering the question as to whether love exist:

1. what is love
2. how is it detected or what are some signs
3. give some description of the circumstances or situations - could be based on your own experiences

A consistent and coherent response to the three part question should provide a clear answer based on your viewpoint or position taken.

In an attempt to answer the second part, is to consider the things people do when they hate and when they love or when they say they love and describe the situation or circumstances of both extremes by examples. This coupled with your experience = a definition as to what love is. Then you yourself can determine whether love exist based on these factors.

[jinju]

adappaavigala, indha Love-a TMum, TM-a hub makkalum thoratthi thoratthi adikkuraangale... :D

[Ramona]

J,

I don't know your language, but I believe it consist of a joke about TM coming to hub to find out if love exist. Quite funny. :lol: Poor Guy :cry:

[Thirumaran]

Love-ngara per-la sila/pala per pandra thappai vachu love-e illainnu neenga solreenga. Appuram edhudhan love-nu konjam ezplain pannunga.

illaatha vishayatha eppadi explain panrathu.. ithellaam love illainnu thelivaa theiriyuthu.. ithuthaan love nnu oru example paarthaalum poathu explain pannidalaam..

athaan kaekuraen.. neengallaam love kku ivvalavu support panreenga.. niraya anubavamum irunthirukkum. :huh: . explain pannungannu kaettaa athu oru feeling nnu mazhupittu poittu irukeenga :roll:




I still don't understand what are you complaining about :?



BTW i am not complaining or pin pointing.. I am also part of all these relations..

[Thirumaran]

J,

I don't know your language, but I believe it consist of a joke about TM coming to hub to find out if love exist. Quite funny. :lol: Poor Guy :cry:

yeah :( Love a kandupidikka saamiyaaraa thaan poaganumnaa athukku naan ready :mrgreen:

[littlemaster1982]

TM,

Guy X likes a girl Y (for whatever reasons) and wants to marry her. What do you call this?

I'm actually simplifying it. But once you answer this, we can discuss more.

[jinju]

J,

I don't know your language, but I believe it consist of a joke about TM coming to hub to find out if love exist. Quite funny. :lol: Poor Guy :cry:

hmmm not xactly.... the story goes back to Vinnai Thaandi Varuvaaya movie thread where the film was commented on by many hubbers as "slice of life", "pure love", "mature love" etc, which irked TM who obviously doesn't think it's so and such things don't exist for him! now it has reached here as a separate thread, so i was just mentioning that TM is hellbent on slamming "love" and the other hubbers are behind him like hell for such comments of his! :) i can't explain this better...uff!

[Thirumaran]

In my opinion it does exist, it can either enhance your life or destroy it big time :sigh2:

Anbu ngrathu nalla vishayam.. athu eppadi nammala azhikkum.. but in the love cases as u rightly say it destroys many people.. Mainly guys... nalla vishayamaa illaathathu eppadi love aa irukka mudiyum..

appuram eppadi love irukkunnu solreenga ????? :think:

[Ramona]

Meant this emoticon :( and not this :cry:

[Thirumaran]

hmmm not xactly.... the story goes back to Vinnai Thaandi Varuvaaya movie thread where the film was commented on by many hubbers as "slice of life", "pure love", "mature love" etc, which irked TM who obviously doesn't think it's so and such things don't exist! now it has reached here as a separate thread, so i was just mentioning that TM is hellbent on slamming "love" and the other hubbers are behind him like hell for such comments of his! :) i can't explain this better...uff!

intha discussion pala samayam pala edathula with different set of hubbers nadakirathuthaan..

but i am not irked or anything on that lines.. I am just having fun by trying to get certain things from people :P And trying to find certain things too.

[Thirumaran]

TM,

Guy X likes a girl Y (for whatever reasons) and wants to marry her. What do you call this?

I'm actually simplifying it. But once you answer this, we can discuss more.

if the reason is money that is called desire towards money and so on .. :huh:

[littlemaster1982]

TM,

Guy X likes a girl Y (for whatever reasons) and wants to marry her. What do you call this?

I'm actually simplifying it. But once you answer this, we can discuss more.

if the reason is money that is called desire towards money and so on .. :huh:

Ok, there are no reasons, X just likes Y because he feels good in her company and thinks they can be happy together and wants to get married. Now what?

[jinju]

seri, vishayathukku varuvom...imo, love's an individual thing...personal experiencelirundhu thaan sollamudiyum...enakku lifela rendu vaati love vandhuthu...when first one happened, i thot it was for life but then as someone posted here in last page, i ended up marrying my wife who was my second love whom i met a few years after the first one did a 'jessie' on me :P !

regarding the VTV case, i think there are a lot of "baadhikkappattavanga" like me n the friend who posted in the last page regarding the same experience, and hence the appreciation and identification on VTV as a slice of real life and handling love in a "mature" manner in cinema rather than the usual cinematic love we see...so, TM i hope u can agree with that tag bestowed on VTV by viewers going by this explanation!

regarding TM's opinion that "there is no love between a boy and a girl before marriage" well, it is "ur opinion" which u r entitled to, and i feel it's much ado about nothing guys...TM just has his own opinion on love before and after marriage just as we all have ours, so chill n freeya vidunga :D !

[Thirumaran]

TM,

Guy X likes a girl Y (for whatever reasons) and wants to marry her. What do you call this?

I'm actually simplifying it. But once you answer this, we can discuss more.

if the reason is money that is called desire towards money and so on .. :huh:

Ok, there are no reasons, X just likes Y because he feels good in her company and thinks they can be happy together and wants to get married. Now what?

there shd be some reasons/factors right.. to feel good abt and to get married.. what are those ?

[Appu s]

regarding TM's opinion that "there is no love between a boy and a girl before marriage" well, it is "ur opinion" which u r entitled to, and i feel it's much ado about nothing guys...TM just has his own opinion on love before and after marriage just as we all have ours, so chill n freeya vidunga :D !
No you got it wrong,someone believes love after marriage,then its their opinion.I agree,But what you will call it if someone says there is no Love at all between a boy and girl?

[Appu s]

TM,

Guy X likes a girl Y (for whatever reasons) and wants to marry her. What do you call this?

I'm actually simplifying it. But once you answer this, we can discuss more.

if the reason is money that is called desire towards money and so on .. :huh:

Ok, there are no reasons, X just likes Y because he feels good in her company and thinks they can be happy together and wants to get married. Now what?

there shd be some reasons/factors right.. to feel good abt and to get married.. what are those ?
Avar Unga kitta ketta neenga avar kittaye thiruppi ketkurenga :lol:

[littlemaster1982]

there shd be some reasons/factors right.. to feel good abt and to get married.. what are those ?

It depends on the person. "Physical attraction" is one, for the starters :) You wanted this answer, right ;)

[Thirumaran]

regarding TM's opinion that "there is no love between a boy and a girl before marriage" well, it is "ur opinion" which u r entitled to, and i feel it's much ado about nothing guys...TM just has his own opinion on love before and after marriage just as we all have ours, so chill n freeya vidunga :D !
No you got it wrong,someone believes love after marriage,then its their opinion.I agree,But what you will call it if someone says there is no Love at all between a boy and girl?

illainu ellaam illa.. but i am yet to come across one such :roll: probably u guys can tell me with a movie example .. that ithu thaan love...

Dont say VTV :lol2:

[Thirumaran]

there shd be some reasons/factors right.. to feel good abt and to get married.. what are those ?

It depends on the person. "Physical attraction" is one, for the starters :) You wanted this answer, right ;)

simple.. intha case la oruthar accident layo or some other manner manner loses certain things, the other would find another one asap.

and u know what i would answer, right :wink:

[jinju]

regarding TM's opinion that "there is no love between a boy and a girl before marriage" well, it is "ur opinion" which u r entitled to, and i feel it's much ado about nothing guys...TM just has his own opinion on love before and after marriage just as we all have ours, so chill n freeya vidunga :D !
No you got it wrong,someone believes love after marriage,then its their opinion.I agree,But what you will call it if someone says there is no Love at all between a boy and girl?

illainu ellaam illa.. but i am yet to come across one such :roll: probably u guys can tell me with a movie example .. that ithu thaan love...

Dont say VTV :lol2:

appdi podu! :P

[Thirumaran]

ok time to leave.. stanley vaera en love (so called thaan :noteeth: ) paththi therinjikanumnu aavalaa irukaan.. will try to say later in the day :mrgreen: :wave:

[Appu s]

regarding TM's opinion that "there is no love between a boy and a girl before marriage" well, it is "ur opinion" which u r entitled to, and i feel it's much ado about nothing guys...TM just has his own opinion on love before and after marriage just as we all have ours, so chill n freeya vidunga :D !
No you got it wrong,someone believes love after marriage,then its their opinion.I agree,But what you will call it if someone says there is no Love at all between a boy and girl?

illainu ellaam illa.. but i am yet to come across one such :roll: probably u guys can tell me with a movie example .. that ithu thaan love...
Shabbba illave illainu snna aalu ippa inthalavukku vanthirukkaru :lol2:


Dont say VTV :lol2:
VTV is their love,you cant generalize everyone's love is same...Mahanadhi-la Kamalukku vayasukku vantha ponnu irukkum pothu Jail-la irunthukittu suganya mela oru eerppu irukum.. Athuvum Love than. Kiss adichittu suthura youngster panrathu mattum love illa.

TM I don wan to teach you what is Love :lol: I have asked you so many times what you will call a Husband and wife relation?if there is no love bettween them,then what it is ? :huh:

[littlemaster1982]

simple.. intha case la oruthar accident layo or some other manner manner loses certain things, the other would find another one asap.

How are you so sure about this? If physical attraction is the only reason, a guy wouldn't necessarily want to marry that girl. It's just one of the reasons (important one, though).

[Appu s]

simple.. intha case la oruthar accident layo or some other manner manner loses certain things, the other would find another one asap.

How are you so sure about this? If physical attraction is the only reason, a guy wouldn't necessarily want to marry that girl. It's just one of the reasons (important one, though).

Perfect :thumbsup:

[jinju]

adhaan, he has not come across such-nu sollittaarula...mudinjupochu...avar irukkra edatha sutthi neraya baed people dhaannu thonuthu.... :D

[Thirumaran]

Shabbba illave illainu snna aalu ippa inthalavukku vanthirukkaru :lol2:


itha ithukku munnaadiyaa solliyaachu.. naan sollratha nee purinjikirathe illa :roll: as i said before there might be exceptions for any case.. here it is less than 1 %..



simple.. intha case la oruthar accident layo or some other manner manner loses certain things, the other would find another one asap.

How are you so sure about this? If physical attraction is the only reason, a guy wouldn't necessarily want to marry that girl. It's just one of the reasons (important one, though).

naan sollrathuthaan ..intha maathiri one or more factors saernthathu than neenga sollra love..

as u itself said, the important one.. when the important one gone, that is the end...

Oru question for all.

For Guys :
You are in love(true, pure, deep or whatever..) with someone.. at one stage the girl lost all her fairness and u come to know that she is no way eligible for sexual relation.. Will u still marry her ?

For Girls (not Shakthiprabha :poke: ) :
1. the above one..
2. He is no way can find a job and can provide bread and butter and u come to understand that at a time..

Will u still marry him..?

Be honest :roll:

appaala meet panren :wave:

[Plum]

My dear TM, idhai romba izhukkarInga.
Let's say someone destroys himself in Love - or in your words "so-called Love", how do you know he died sadder than you are happy living?

What if destroying himself for Love gave him much greater pleasure than all that we get in our Life by not getting into any such Loves scenario?

How do you define happiness? How do you define fulfilment? To each his own.

[NOV]

I was wondering what is your opinion or thoughts on this situation, I went through a couple of months ago (in 2006).

It was nearing the end of my first year at University, I was dancing on the last night the pub was open; suddenly, I saw a good-looking, kind of modest girl and I got the opportunity to dance with her inside the club. Then after we danced for what seemed to be an eternity in paradise, we went outside for a walk around campus, exchanging stories - getting to know each other and we walked back to our campus college - took her back to her room and I went back to mine.

Later on (couple of days later or so), we had gotten to know each other and it had been raining outside, so we went out for a walk and she expressed her likeness of puddle-jumping. I was a bit shy to jump any puddles, but I walked over them anyway (good thing I had water proof shoes) and after those sweet moments, we went back up to her room and just sat on her bed, talking - then there came that infamous silence, our eyes locked. She was looking at me and smiling, my heart was racing so fast - I couldn't believe it, and every instinct inside of me was screaming at me to go for it.

BOOM. I had my first kiss, it was intense. The rush was unreal, I couldn't believe I was in an unending dream.

Eventually, that dream crashed when she was sitting quietly in her room, I remember she felt guilty about what happened and in that moment, I realized that she was already in love with another guy - and it's a long distance relationship. Here's the kicker, she's due to marry him after University.

I spent 10 months getting over her, built a wall around my damaged heart because I don't want to go through all that again. Guess what? she won't easily be forgotten because she's in one of my classes, and it seems like all I can do is just to ignore her. Life is never that easy.

And now, I know I won't ever fall in love again, but I can like new girls but I've learned to be cautious and careful. Since then, I've never felt the same, all because of one girl; but I've learned to move on, and met new girls along the way. I don't think love exist, but hey might as well have fun meeting someone new.
http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/relationships/does-love-exist-there-such-thing-love-55982.html

[Plum]

For Guys :
You are in love(true, pure, deep or whatever..) with someone.. at one stage the girl lost all her fairness and u come to know that she is no way eligible for sexual relation.. Will u still marry her ?

What if there is such a person? Would you believe it if I say I know such a person, or rather knew. Albeit in England. Which is another story because we are so used to denigrating the decadent west, and perhaps even people who argue love exists, some of them will possibly echo you that true love doesnt exist in the western world :-)

[NOV]

Love is beyond any theory or scope because love doesn't follow any rule. You can't understand true love but you can feel it. There isn't more wonderful thing than feeling love; it's like a sunset: every time you fall in love is different and special. I disagree with any theory about love because I think the only way to learn something about love is when you feel it in your skin, in your heart and in your soul.
http://www.englishforums.com/English/DoesLoveExist/xrhg/post.htm

[Shakthiprabha]

I love MY father.
I love MY mother.
I love MY son.
I love MY daughter.
I love My wife.
Pure Selfishness.

This is what Ive been trying to say :)


I loved the girl nextdoor.
It was a "pure unselfish love", but eventually married MY wife. :rotfl3: :cheer:

Is this the "pure love" we are talking about??

May be tm feels, love is 'pure' only when it ends in marriage :think:




Without love, there can be no hatred. To hate someone or something, you have to love someone or something. They are mutually non-exclusive.

and I stand corrected :thumbsup:

When love is absent it need not mean hatred is present, it can be an EMOTIONLESS state :think:

[NOV]

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[Shakthiprabha]

For Girls (not Shakthiprabha :poke: ) :

naan enna pavam paNNEn? ennai magaLir aNilaiye serka mateengala :rotfl2:



1. the above one..
2. He is no way can find a job and can provide bread and butter and u come to understand that at a time..

There are ppl like that.


Will u still marry him..?

If they are married, and the above situation happens how many spouses run away tm? dont they still cling and live?

When u know ur spouse cant give u sensual pleasure and is handicapped and cant earn u a day's bread, aren't there any ppl around u, living under the same roof (sometimes out of helplessness) and some other times out of compassion, affection (or whateer u name it) (and please dont qualify love as pure and contaminated grrrrr)

and again for nth time, again I repeat ( like many others did)

this thread IS NOT ABOUT

* how pure love is
* what are its after effects
* why it happened
* when it happened
* what if it fails
* what if they dont live under same roof or marry
* what happened later etc
* what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

ITs abotu whether or not "it exists"

and it does. period.

_____
etho ekku thappa pesi maatikiteenga. ippo u are unsure how to untangle urself out of this :rotfl2: pavam tm :poke:

[Appu s]

and again for nth time, again I repeat ( like many others did)

this thread IS NOT ABOUT

* how pure love is
* what are its after effects
* why it happened
* when it happened
* what if it fails
* what if they dont live under same roof or marry
* what happened later etc
* what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

ITs about whether or not "it exists"

and it does. period.

+1

[tvsankar]

what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

SP,

Unselfish - Idhai love ku matum yen kaekare..

indha vaarthaiku than ipo arthamae illaiyae....

IPo irukum indha ulagam - SELFISH to the core...........

adharkena oru nyayam, ilakanam - ellavatrukum - pudhiyadhai - vidhimurai uruvagi kondu irukum indha nerathil,

epapdi love ku matum - Unselfish ai expect panre?

No chance.

Particularly, ponnunga kite irundhu No chance......

[ajithfederer]

TM, Andha luvs matter......... :noteeth:

[Kambar_Kannagi]

TM, Andha luvs matter......... :noteeth:

Ulagam-E azinjAlum unggaLuku antha kathai therinjAkanum... :lol:

[tvsankar]

SP,
Aborad - anga irukum Dating dhan

India vil - konjam per maari, love endru solli,

kuzhapi, kuzhambi, kashta padarnaga..

adharku bhadilaga,

Dating endru solli - suthi vittu,

kalyana asai vandha - yaraiyavadhu kalyanam senjuka vendiyadhu dhan.

(adhu dating la suthina - yaravadhagavum irukalam. tats all)

idhu dhan inimel nadaka poradhu......

i think so.......

[Thirumaran]

My dear TM, idhai romba izhukkarInga.
Let's say someone destroys himself in Love - or in your words "so-called Love", how do you know he died sadder than you are happy living?

What if destroying himself for Love gave him much greater pleasure than all that we get in our Life by not getting into any such Loves scenario?


I am not talking abt happiness before, after or in this case at the time of death :roll:

Anbyngrathu oruththana thelivu paduththanum.. ippadi thannayae kolra alavukku oru koazhaithanamaana, paithiyakaarathanamaana seyalukku enna poruththa varaikkum boathai nnu thaan paer.. yaerkanavae sonnatu than..



For Guys :
You are in love(true, pure, deep or whatever..) with someone.. at one stage the girl lost all her fairness and u come to know that she is no way eligible for sexual relation.. Will u still marry her ?

What if there is such a person? Would you believe it if I say I know such a person, or rather knew. Albeit in England. Which is another story because we are so used to denigrating the decadent west, and perhaps even people who argue love exists, some of them will possibly echo you that true love doesnt exist in the western world :-)

naan irukka maataangannu sollavae illa plum.. yaerkanavae sonnathuthaan..exceptions are everywhere.. i am talking abt the most cases...



I loved the girl nextdoor.
It was a "pure unselfish love", but eventually married MY wife. :rotfl3: :cheer:

Is this the "pure love" we are talking about??

May be tm feels, love is 'pure' only when it ends in marriage :think:


Absolutely not..

[Thirumaran]

what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

SP,

Unselfish - Idhai love ku matum yen kaekare..

indha vaarthaiku than ipo arthamae illaiyae....

IPo irukum indha ulagam - SELFISH to the core...........

adharkena oru nyayam, ilakanam - ellavatrukum - pudhiyadhai - vidhimurai uruvagi kondu irukum indha nerathil,

epapdi love ku matum - Unselfish ai expect panre?

No chance.

Particularly, ponnunga kite irundhu No chance......

:P

solraen stanley, seekiram :rotfl2: athukaana santharpamae kodukka maatraangalaey :P

[pavalamani pragasam]

Love is beyond any theory or scope because love doesn't follow any rule. You can't understand true love but you can feel it. There isn't more wonderful thing than feeling love; it's like a sunset: every time you fall in love is different and special. I disagree with any theory about love because I think the only way to learn something about love is when you feel it in your skin, in your heart and in your soul.
http://www.englishforums.com/English/DoesLoveExist/xrhg/post.htm

It is an infatuation alike an intoxication making one under its effect a poet!!! :lol: vaaya thoRanthaalE 'kavitha kavitha' thaan! Not at all surprising!

[Shakthiprabha]

what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

SP,

Unselfish - Idhai love ku matum yen kaekare..

indha vaarthaiku than ipo arthamae illaiyae....

IPo irukum indha ulagam - SELFISH to the core...........

adharkena oru nyayam, ilakanam - ellavatrukum - pudhiyadhai - vidhimurai uruvagi kondu irukum indha nerathil,

epapdi love ku matum - Unselfish ai expect panre?

No chance.

Particularly, ponnunga kite irundhu No chance......

usha,

ithai thaan naan tm kitta sollitu irunthen....

love mattum illai ella relationship laiyum "UNSELFISH" enbathu kurainju pochu...

and it happens in man - woman relationship too. :|

ponnunga nnu mattum illai,
men keep moving with changing times too

[pavalamani pragasam]

For Girls (not Shakthiprabha :poke: ) :

naan enna pavam paNNEn? ennai magaLir aNilaiye serka mateengala :rotfl2:



1. the above one..
2. He is no way can find a job and can provide bread and butter and u come to understand that at a time..

There are ppl like that.


Will u still marry him..?

If they are married, and the above situation happens how many spouses run away tm? dont they still cling and live?

When u know ur spouse cant give u sensual pleasure and is handicapped and cant earn u a day's bread, aren't there any ppl around u, living under the same roof (sometimes out of helplessness) and some other times out of compassion, affection (or whateer u name it) (and please dont qualify love as pure and contaminated grrrrr)

and again for nth time, again I repeat ( like many others did)

this thread IS NOT ABOUT

* how pure love is
* what are its after effects
* why it happened
* when it happened
* what if it fails
* what if they dont live under same roof or marry
* what happened later etc
* what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

ITs abotu whether or not "it exists"

and it does. period.

_____
etho ekku thappa pesi maatikiteenga. ippo u are unsure how to untangle urself out of this :rotfl2: pavam tm :poke:

Why compare the unexpected hardships coming after marriage to the 'situation' quoted by TM? Two completely different situations! :o

[Thirumaran]

and again for nth time, again I repeat ( like many others did)

this thread IS NOT ABOUT

* how pure love is
* what are its after effects
* why it happened
* when it happened
* what if it fails
* what if they dont live under same roof or marry
* what happened later etc
* what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

ITs abotu whether or not "it exists"

and it does. period.

naanum athaan paesittu irukkaen :huh:



etho ekku thappa pesi maatikiteenga. ippo u are unsure how to untangle urself out of this :rotfl2: pavam tm :poke:

innum naan kaetathukkellaam ozhungaa answer panna mudiyalainaalum intha vetti banthaakku onnum kuraichal illa :poke:[/b]

[Thirumaran]

what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

SP,

Unselfish - Idhai love ku matum yen kaekare..

indha vaarthaiku than ipo arthamae illaiyae....

IPo irukum indha ulagam - SELFISH to the core...........

adharkena oru nyayam, ilakanam - ellavatrukum - pudhiyadhai - vidhimurai uruvagi kondu irukum indha nerathil,

epapdi love ku matum - Unselfish ai expect panre?

No chance.

Particularly, ponnunga kite irundhu No chance......

usha,

ithai thaan naan tm kitta sollitu irunthen....

love mattum illai ella relationship laiyum "UNSELFISH" enbathu kurainju pochu...

and it happens in man - woman relationship too. :|

ponnunga nnu mattum illai,
men keep moving with changing times too

Shakthi,
naan athelaam marukavae illa.





We cant find PURITY in any kind of emotionally bound relationship. These are tangible , ie cant be measured and keeps changing. Why dont u complain about parents who forget to shower affection to kids or kids who forget to talk few caring words to parents? Or freinds who turn their faces away ? or siblings who curse each other?



correct thaan... but say for example.. Mother - son/daughter relation.. at least from mother side in many cases it is not a selfish one.. expecting something in favor of the love / affection she shows towards his kid.. atha maathiri innum pala relation la u can find a considerable amount of people...

But only in the case of love as per topic such unselfish and unconditional affection cases is extremely low or nil.. That is the only relation which does not care (mostly) abt the surroundings.
BTW i am not complaining or pin pointing.. I am also part of all these relations..

[tvsankar]

sp,
sorry to say.

ponnunga kite - unselfish - poyae pochu.

dhairiyama - theliva solren.

society la nadakaradha vechi than solren.

1. ponnunga - marriage stage la - avanga ishathuku than
paiyanai select panranga.

enaku therinju - nalla pasanga - 4 per - appa amma kite
ponnu pakka solli - marriage ku wait pannitu irukaga..

age achu ipo - 30,32,33, 35

kalyanam agalai.

ponnu kedacha podhum nu irukaga.

oru rules um sollalai.

elllarum - B.E. - software company la velai.. nalla salary....

yen marriage agalai theiryuma....

ellarum - india la irukanga.............

idhuku enna solre.........

appa amma - simple type - nejama nalla quality oda

(foreign dhan usathi nu nenaikadha nalla quality)

avanga ponnunga elam - india la irukara paiyanai
kalyanam pannindu irukanga.....

ipadi irukarachae....

love epadi irukum???????????

[Thirumaran]

sp,
sorry to say.

ponnunga kite - unselfish - poyae pochu.

dhairiyama - theliva solren.

society la nadakaradha vechi than solren.

1. ponnunga - marriage stage la - avanga ishathuku than
paiyanai select panranga.

enaku therinju - nalla pasanga - 4 per - appa amma kite
ponnu pakka solli - marriage ku wait pannitu irukaga..

age achu ipo - 30,32,33, 35

kalyanam agalai.

ponnu kedacha podhum nu irukaga.

oru rules um sollalai.

elllarum - B.E. - software company la velai.. nalla salary....

yen marriage agalai theiryuma....

ellarum - india la irukanga.............

idhuku enna solre.........

appa amma - simple type - nejama nalla quality oda

(foreign dhan usathi nu nenaikadha nalla quality)

avanga ponnunga elam - india la irukara paiyanai
kalyanam pannindu irukanga.....

ipadi irukarachae....

love epadi irukum???????????

itha sonnaa nambuveengalo illayo..

marriage times la ponnunga, kalyaanathukku munnaalayae thani kudithanam thaan vaenumnu condition poadurathu niraya kaelvi pattirupeenga..
atha vida koduma love panna aarambichathum.. peththavangala othukki vaikirathula irunthu munnaadiyae condition poatta rendu cases enakku theriyum :sigh2:

[app_engine]

rendu cases enakku theriyum :sigh2:

பாவம், பெர்சனல் வாழ்க்கையில ரொம்பவே பாதிக்கப்பட்டிருக்கீங்க போலிருக்கு :-)

[tvsankar]

TM,
adhu paravayilai.

mosam enna na - oruthan kite love sollitu -

avanai katti potutu,

ponnunga matum - friends gara perla
pasanga kite pesuvanga.. pazhaguvanga..
suthuvanga.

paiyan matum - karpoda irukanam

idhu dhan TM - murpagal seiyin pirpagal vilaiyum garadhu.

30 varushathuku munnadi - GEns senja kodumaiyai
ipo

ponnunga - pasangaluku seiyaranga.

vera vazhi ilai. anubavichu than aganam.

idhula enga - pure love, unselfish love varum...

oru love oda success
inniki

andha ponnu kite dhan iruku.. andha paiyan kite
sathiyama ilai........

[Thirumaran]

rendu cases enakku theriyum :sigh2:

பாவம், பெர்சனல் வாழ்க்கையில ரொம்பவே பாதிக்கப்பட்டிருக்கீங்க போலிருக்கு :-)

not anything personal to me.. :)

[Thirumaran]

30 varushathuku munnadi - GEns senja kodumaiyai
ipo

ponnunga - pasangaluku seiyaranga.

vera vazhi ilai. anubavichu than aganam.


Cant agree more!

I am concerned abt the next generation girls.. intha circle la avanga pasanga kitta aniyaayathukku baathikka paduvaangannu thoanuthu :|

[Appu s]

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[rajraj]

Fighting about love? :lol:

[app_engine]

TM,

If not in your case, how do you know it for a fact that the girls asked for such conditions to the boy(s)?

1. The boy(s) could have simply cooked up the story

2. Even if the "demand" happened right in front of you, how you can be sure that they weren't faking and were serious?

Now, even if such a demand comes from girls, I don't find anything wrong with that - considering that the society has treated so many marumagaLs like slaves and what not :-( The system has built up so much of insecurity in women - there're just too many cases of abuse to them. Earlier days, with lack of edu / opportunities etc, they couldn't do much.

Now they have some freedom, which is good.

Actually, this is a case of 'kaN uLLa kAdhal' which you should applaud and not condemn (as you're condemning 'kaN moodiththanamAna kAdhal' as mere intoxication) :-)

[tvsankar]

TM,
present generation la - ponnungaluku kashtam ilai.

neraiya choices iruku.. select panranga...

neenga sorladhu

vara pora generation ponnunaluku kasham adhigam irukum.

ulagam poora - girls population is very low compare to the boys.


so - inum 2 generation la - dhrowpathigal uruvaka padalam.

ipadi than sollanam - ponnungaluku vara pora kashtathai...........

very sorry to say.............

[pavalamani pragasam]

TM,
adhu paravayilai.

mosam enna na - oruthan kite love sollitu -

avanai katti potutu,

ponnunga matum - friends gara perla
pasanga kite pesuvanga.. pazhaguvanga..
suthuvanga.

paiyan matum - karpoda irukanam

idhu dhan TM - murpagal seiyin pirpagal vilaiyum garadhu.

30 varushathuku munnadi - GEns senja kodumaiyai
ipo

ponnunga - pasangaluku seiyaranga.

vera vazhi ilai. anubavichu than aganam.

idhula enga - pure love, unselfish love varum...

oru love oda success
inniki

andha ponnu kite dhan iruku.. andha paiyan kite
sathiyama ilai........

:clap: romba sariyaa puttu puttu vachchittenga, Usha! Recently when some of our old (in two senses) friends met the topic of this recent trend was discussed with concern. One of the friends quoted an example of a girl listing a loooong list of conditions for marriage at the initial stage of alliance talks. The boy's side(my friend's relatives) got scared and looked elsewhere for alliance. The conditions included settling in the US, his parents forbidden to visit them etc! :shock:
The new-found freedom has made boys toys tot he girls!!! :twisted:

[ajithfederer]

They are the side effects of love is my understanding. :P

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[Thirumaran]

:rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl: This thread turn into somewhere else.... all comments about ava avan kooda odi poitta... thani kudithanam :rotfl2: athellam Inga vanthu yen pesurenga...

ippa entha thread layum digressions nadakaatha maathiri illa paesura :lol2:

love ngra paerla ippaiyum cases irukkunnu thaan solraen :poke:

on the topic itself there are still questions unanswered.. u can still get to the topic :poke:

atha paththi nee konjam kooda vaai thorakka maatra..vaera yethaachum diversion irukaannu paakurathulayae time spending :lol2:

[Thirumaran]

They are the side effects of love is my understanding. :P

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:exactly:

there are several such cases too in the so called love.

[pavalamani pragasam]

TM,

If not in your case, how do you know it for a fact that the girls asked for such conditions to the boy(s)?

1. The boy(s) could have simply cooked up the story

2. Even if the "demand" happened right in front of you, how you can be sure that they weren't faking and were serious?

Now, even if such a demand comes from girls, I don't find anything wrong with that - considering that the society has treated so many marumagaLs like slaves and what not :-( The system has built up so much of insecurity in women - there're just too many cases of abuse to them. Earlier days, with lack of edu / opportunities etc, they couldn't do much.

Now they have some freedom, which is good.

Actually, this is a case of 'kaN uLLa kAdhal' which you should applaud and not condemn (as you're condemning 'kaN moodiththanamAna kAdhal' as mere intoxication) :-)

So, marumagaLs slaves-aa nadaththapattathunaala ippO poNNunga paNNuRathu right? What a logic!

[Thirumaran]

TM,
If not in your case, how do you know it for a fact that the girls asked for such conditions to the boy(s)?


i know and can analyse on certain things.. i dont believe just like that anything..

It is upto others to believe or not..

On the rest of ur things u said, that is different topic which again requires a detail discussion.. i wont completely disagree u on that.

But w.r.t to the topic,when u come with such conditions then imo there is no love existed between them.

[tvsankar]

app,
edho vadham seiyadheenga.

ponnunga loda expectation - ipo - paiyanai
kashta paduthara alauvku iruku.

adhai than naan solla varen.

demands and expectation ai thappu sollalai.

oru example..

ponnu ipo earn panra. avaloda salary avalodadhu dhan..

adhai naan respect panren. adhu issue illai.

after marriage,

ava salaryum avalodadhu.
husband salaryum avalodadhu.

inga dhan idikaradhu...

like tat,
veetu velai...

kid ai pathukaradhu...

ella discipline um - husband or lover - avanuku matum dhan

avaluku onum illai.

idhu nyayama?

[app_engine]

So, marumagaLs slaves-aa nadaththapattathunaala ippO poNNunga paNNuRathu right? What a logic!

Where did I say what they're doing is "right"? I was merely countering that TM cannot take two stands :-)

Either kAdhal should be blind or with sight.

He can't say it should not be blind and then come back and say how it can have eyes :-)

Coming back to whether the girls putting some conditions to the boys during courtship - there's definitely nothing wrong. Better to be careful now rather than suffering years of abuse (or end in a kerosene / gas stove accident) or suffer a dirty divorce and carry the burden of rising up children alone etc.

Relationship has to be give and take. Gone were the days which held the policy of "women give men take, and run to another woman" :-)

[tvsankar]

ipo ponnungaluku kashtam ilai.

ana - puli varudhu kadhai pola,

future la, pasanga lala (konjama iruka poranga . apo)

ponnungaluku kashtam varum nu thonudhu.

ana vera madhiri..

5 paiyanuku - oruthi than wife... life tat.

seriously speaking here.....

[tvsankar]

so,

love um. unselfish um - meaning illamal pora kalam idhu.

tats all from my side......

[Appu s]

They are the side effects of love is my understanding. :P

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I understood that feddy, but why talking this about here :huh:

FOR ALL THOSE,THE THREAD STARTED FOR THERE IS LOVE EXIST OR NOT,

THIRU SAYS NO, SO THERE IS NO LOVE AT ALL BETWEEN ANY MALE AND FEMALE,AS PER HIS OPINION EVERYONE IS JUST LIVING LIKE JADAMS.

no one Justifying about love and effects,maamiyar marumaga kodumai.. thani kudithanam.. that is totally out of topic,yoou guys are talking like as if all the arranged married couple are living in a heaven.

[app_engine]

Usha chEchi,

I'm not throwing some statements merely for vAdham :-)

I strongly believe that "kAdhal without conditions" never existed and will never exist. (I understand that the discussion of this thread is only about "romantic love - kAdhal" and not about other forms of love - like the ones between friends, between blood relatives, towards things, towards unrelated people, towards God...)

The "conditions" should only come from boys and girls should simply agree to them is not correct. And vice-versa :-)

Women may be more outspoken, demanding etc now. I'm just trying to see the psychology behind it - centuries of suppression, possibly :-)

[pavalamani pragasam]

So, marumagaLs slaves-aa nadaththapattathunaala ippO poNNunga paNNuRathu right? What a logic!

Where did I say what they're doing is "right"? I was merely countering that TM cannot take two stands :-)

Either kAdhal should be blind or with sight.

He can't say it should not be blind and then come back and say how it can have eyes :-)

Coming back to whether the girls putting some conditions to the boys during courtship - there's definitely nothing wrong. Better to be careful now rather than suffering years of abuse (or end in a kerosene / gas stove accident) or suffer a dirty divorce and carry the burden of rising up children alone etc.

Relationship has to be give and take. Gone were the days which held the policy of "women give men take, and run to another woman" :-)
But there should be some fairness in the 'conditions' put forward by these modern girls! What is the percentage of 'stove accidents', divorces, adulteries and other abuses? What about the unwritten stories of mils suffering unspeakable abuses in the hands of dils? I know many cases where such things happen. You think girls are right to be careful, but you fail to realise it is not 'carefulness' but pure arrogant atrocity! :shock:

[tvsankar]

app,

got it. apo sari.

ponnunga loda conditions - boys bayandhukara app.

adhan ipo vishayam.

love or arranged marriage...

adhan sonnen

apo epadi - love - unselfish elam....

boys ku - kannai moodindu love varum.

girls ku - adhai work out panni pathutu

maths madhiri - derivation ready pannitu

sari vandha - love ku sari nu solranga.

sari varalai na - no solranga.......

idhu dhan ipo nadakara love.........

[PARAMASHIVAN]

I remember one song..


kangalE KangalE kadhal seivathi vitu vidungal
pEngalE pengalE vaalibarai konjum vaazha vidungal

:lol2:

[pavalamani pragasam]

They are the side effects of love is my understanding. :P

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I understood that feddy, but why talking this about here :huh:

FOR ALL THOSE,THE THREAD STARTED FOR THERE IS LOVE EXIST OR NOT,

THIRU SAYS NO, SO THERE IS NO LOVE AT ALL BETWEEN ANY MALE AND FEMALE,AS PER HIS OPINION EVERYONE IS JUST LIVING LIKE JADAMS.

no one Justifying about love and effects,maamiyar marumaga kodumai.. thani kudithanam.. that is totally out of topic,yoou guys are talking like as if all the arranged married couple are living in a heaven.

jadam? :lol: Not at all! Nature has provided all men and women with necessary instincts and impulses to keep itself ever alive! Luvvunnu paiyanga ippO poNNunga pinnaala pOna there is basic hormonal attraction underneath, poNNunga luvvunnu sonna bayangaramaana aayaththam for feathering their nest! ithaiyellaam luvvunnu sollikkiROm!!!

[tvsankar]

Today Love

Boys expects the security...

nejama - amma madhiri thannai pathukanam nu nenaikaranga..


ponnunga - ivanga love - nichayama security ai base pannalai.

Money la dhan iruku........

kadaiyil - dress vangara mahdiri

indha dress - ila - idhu nalla iruku - illa adhu inum nalla iruku.. madhiri

boys - neraiya kedaika kedaika, avangaloda

asai and expectation - change ayindae iruku..

so - nalla appa amma irundhu guide pannina -

ivanga - love or marriage la - settle avanga..

otherwise - no chance

neraiya asai

neraiya expectation - nu vandhu, kozhambi poi,

kurai padara oru jenmama - ponnunga agaranga..

idhan en feelings. sorry to say.........

[pavalamani pragasam]

:notworthy:

[app_engine]

But there should be some fairness in the 'conditions' put forward by these modern girls! What is the percentage of 'stove accidents', divorces, adulteries and other abuses? What about the unwritten stories of mils suffering unspeakable abuses in the hands of dils? I know many cases where such things happen. You think girls are right to be careful, but you fail to realise it is not 'carefulness' but pure arrogant atrocity! :shock:

I have never been a supporter of this 'joint-family-thingy' where mil & dil are forced to put up with each other, day after day. It's quite unnatural as there's nothing biologically binding between them (as in the case with blood relatives or between spouses).

It was the fault of the society (possibly forced by economic conditions) to make these two women live under the same roof, giving rise to troubles both ways :-)

It's better for the boy and girl to leave their parents alone and live happily separately, as one flesh, with lot of kAdhal / luv. Parents too can continue to care for other children or enjoy their own later-year kAdhal:-)

Also, parents should not think about 'investing in children to get some monetary support later on' anymore but do some financial planning to take enough care of their years of advanced age.

That way, the parents can happily enjoy visits of chilren, grand children etc which will be a time of joy and not of grief. Rest of the time, can indulge in some useful pursuit for the society - plant trees for e.g., rather than watching serials and complaining about dil to neighbors :-)

[rajraj]

Obviously there is no western(US) influence in love!






Today Love

Boys expects the security...

nejama - amma madhiri thannai pathukanam nu nenaikaranga..


ponnunga - ivanga love - nichayama security ai base pannalai.

Money la dhan iruku........

kadaiyil - dress vangara mahdiri

indha dress - ila - idhu nalla iruku - illa adhu inum nalla iruku.. madhiri

boys - neraiya kedaika kedaika, avangaloda

asai and expectation - change ayindae iruku..

so - nalla appa amma irundhu guide pannina -

ivanga - love or marriage la - settle avanga..

otherwise - no chance

neraiya asai

neraiya expectation - nu vandhu, kozhambi poi,

kurai padara oru jenmama - ponnunga agaranga..

idhan en feelings. sorry to say.........

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Expectations are a 'big' blunder when it comes to relationship when expectations 'faces' the reality !

[tvsankar]

pp mam,
thanks for the responses.
how r u?

problem - solution nu dhan

love or marriage life

girl or boy

periyavanga - PARENTS

ivanga - first - porupai purinjindu

nalla valathanam... nalladhai solli tharanam.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Intha MIL and DIL dandanaka is like a 'Local' variable in the 'Subcontinent' . It is not recognised Globaly :huh:

[Thirumaran]

Boy friend girl friend concept paththi naan pala samayam jolly aa solrathundu..

For Boys, having girl friend is showing that he too can get a girl friend. matter of proudness..

For girls, having a boy friend is a abt finding an idiot to spend for their daily expenses...

appadiyum konja paer irukkaanga :P

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Boy friend girl friend concept paththi naan pala samayam jolly aa solrathundu..

For Boys, having girl friend is showing that he too can get a girl friend. matter of proudness..




This has started from the animal kingdom and spread on to the human race :lol2:



For girls, having a boy friend is a abt finding an idiot to spend for their daily expenses...


I have seen many like this, very sad indeed !

[app_engine]

One thing I've observed in Kerala (where 'love' marriages possibly exceeded the number of 'arranged' marriages - much earlier than TN society) is about the least amount of stress between mil-dil.

First of all, for one group, it's boy moving into girl's home after marriage and putting up with his in-laws. ("பார்ய வீட்டில் பரம சுகம்" குழு, "நாஞ்சில் நாட்டு மருமக்கள் வழி மான்மியம்" என்று குமரிப்பகுதியிலும் இது கொஞ்சம் இருப்பதாகக்கேள்விப்பட்டிருக்கிறேன்).

Even among other groups, from what I've seen in tons of cases, the dil becomes d and mil becomes m, in the closest sense, reducing much of the possible tensions.

[pavalamani pragasam]

But there should be some fairness in the 'conditions' put forward by these modern girls! What is the percentage of 'stove accidents', divorces, adulteries and other abuses? What about the unwritten stories of mils suffering unspeakable abuses in the hands of dils? I know many cases where such things happen. You think girls are right to be careful, but you fail to realise it is not 'carefulness' but pure arrogant atrocity! :shock:

I have never been a supporter of this 'joint-family-thingy' where mil & dil are forced to put up with each other, day after day. It's quite unnatural as there's nothing biologically binding between them (as in the case with blood relatives or between spouses).

It was the fault of the society (possibly forced by economic conditions) to make these two women live under the same roof, giving rise to troubles both ways :-)

It's better for the boy and girl to leave their parents alone and live happily separately, as one flesh, with lot of kAdhal / luv. Parents too can continue to care for other children or enjoy their own later-year kAdhal:-)

Also, parents should not think about 'investing in children to get some monetary support later on' anymore but do some financial planning to take enough care of their years of advanced age.

That way, the parents can happily enjoy visits of chilren, grand children etc which will be a time of joy and not of grief. Rest of the time, can indulge in some useful pursuit for the society - plant trees for e.g., rather than watching serials and complaining about dil to neighbors :-)
We both happen to belong to two different generation- naturally you are speaking for yours and I for ours! :lol: I'm blessed to have 2 gems of dils. I Can't subscribe to your aversion for joint family system. I can only pity those who do not understand what a great thing it is. It is practically impossible now is only to be added to so many other good things in life we have lost in the course of our modernisation. And for your information there are still mils who dominate dils and dils who abuse mils from remote, even when thousands of miles separate them!!!! :( Majority of mils today do not treat dils as 'enemies'- sad to note the new trend of mils treating marumagaL as maRRoru magaL has not got the publicity it should get. It was a source of a good amusement and happiness and pride when during my 2 dils' visit this summer to our place the lady opp our house came to get it clarified whether they were my daughters or daughters-in-law: she and her 2 unmarried daughters had a debate on it, it seems!!! :lol:

[pavalamani pragasam]

Boy friend girl friend concept paththi naan pala samayam jolly aa solrathundu..

For Boys, having girl friend is showing that he too can get a girl friend. matter of proudness..

For girls, having a boy friend is a abt finding an idiot to spend for their daily expenses...

appadiyum konja paer irukkaanga :P

Nothing can be farther from truth! :(

[Thirumaran]

For girls, having a boy friend is a abt finding an idiot to spend for their daily expenses...


I have seen many like this, very sad indeed !

intha visaaranaila ippasi innum niraya unmaigal vara vaendi irukku :noteeth:

[pavalamani pragasam]

pp mam,
thanks for the responses.
how r u?

problem - solution nu dhan

love or marriage life

girl or boy

periyavanga - PARENTS

ivanga - first - porupai purinjindu

nalla valathanam... nalladhai solli tharanam.

Yes, good communication and mutual understanding must be diligently cultivated. A strong emotional bond can save us from any bad invasion from outside.

[Thirumaran]

We both happen to belong to two different generation- naturally you are speaking for yours and I for ours! :lol: I'm blessed to have 2 gems of dils.

:D



I can only pity those who do not understand what a great thing it is. It is practically impossible now is only to be added to so many other good things in life we have lost in the course of our modernisation.

though not completely related to the topic, u were absolutely right...

in this modernised world lots of wonderful things getting vanished day by day.. :|

[Shakthiprabha]

The thread has deviated much away from its "actual title"

"Does love exist"

talk here goes on ONLY ABOUT current trend of love wanting to get into marital lock.

Love also 'exist after marriage' even when the said 2 ppl were strangers before. Nobody wants to talk about this I assume.

Title can be comfortably c hanged as

"Is love BEFORE MARRIAGE qualifed enough to have a strong bond"

avlo thaan.

Also,

If u qualify the current love marriage trend as 'no love', then arranged marriage is PURELY AN ARRANGEMENT FOR CONVENIENCE with no love at all.

Usha,

Though sad fact remains girls have become very strategic, shrewd, smart and cunning in some cases, equal amount of men are also clever. Lets blame the current trend, I would not agree "only girls" are responsible and men are appavi holy saints!!!

Also,

Due to increased freedom (in whatever way u call) for women, they try to CHOOSE their partner hence women are openly coming out with their BARGAINING attitude. Therefore highlighted. At any point of time, in any society, both men and women are equally responsible for the growth or the curse of the society.

[app_engine]

SP,

Nice post!

The last statement alone seems to be factually incorrect :-) i.e. this one :
At any point of time, in any society, both men and women are equally responsible for the growth or the curse of the society.

At least in some societies, at some point of time, women were / are suppressed to ugly levels as to not have a significant say on how things are run.

[Thirumaran]

Also,

If u qualify the current love marriage trend as 'no love', then arranged marriage is PURELY AN ARRANGEMENT FOR CONVENIENCE with no love at all.


athu vaera topic.. I would agree here too :P but inga yaarum kaathal / anbu irukirathaala kalyaanam pannikirathaa sollikirathu illa :wink:



Usha,

Though sad fact remains girls have become very strategic, shrewd, smart and cunning in some cases, equal amount of men are also clever. Lets blame the current trend, I would not agree "only girls" are responsible and men are appavi holy saints!!!


of course :P


innum kalyaanathukku munnaala unmayaavae people love panrathillainnu palar sonna pala kutrachaattukkum bathil varala :poke:

[app_engine]

TM,

Give your definition of 'kAdhal' and then let's see whether it exists or not.

Clear, unambiguous definition please!

[pavalamani pragasam]

The phrase that goes with falling in love is 'head over heels'!!! can it be said more explicitly? Only a mirage can lure one on and on t futile sweat and loss! Only a myth can make one live in imaginary heaven or hell! Only a wrong understanding of hormonal flow can lead to lots of heartaches and headaches! Great wars have been waged and thousands killed for this so-called concept of 'love' It is the axis on which all poetic literature revolves. It is a beautiful fantsay. But a myth nevertheless.

[littlemaster1982]

Thiru,

You are generalising way too much with what you have seen :)

[Thirumaran]

SP,

Nice post!

The last statement alone seems to be factually incorrect :-) i.e. this one :
At any point of time, in any society, both men and women are equally responsible for the growth or the curse of the society.

At least in some societies, at some point of time, women were / are suppressed to ugly levels as to not have a significant say on how things are run.

opposite to this there are many places now, woman has all the say.. the fact is now the condition of the society has gone to ugliest level.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Thiru,

You are generalising way too much with what you have seen :)

Isn't that the same with every one :huh: , everything you know is 'simply' the information obtained from your Five senses, the rest is assumption and imagination based upon from the data you gathered from your five senses !

[pavalamani pragasam]

:yes: :yes: :yes:

[Benny Lava]

Love-ngara per-la sila/pala per pandra thappai vachu love-e illainnu neenga solreenga. Appuram edhudhan love-nu konjam ezplain pannunga.

illaatha vishayatha eppadi explain panrathu.. ithellaam love illainnu thelivaa theiriyuthu.. ithuthaan love nnu oru example paarthaalum poathu explain pannidalaam..
TM, please explain this example the way you understand it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5spWq9rJyQ



athaan kaekuraen.. neengallaam love kku ivvalavu support panreenga.. niraya anubavamum irunthirukkum. :huh: . explain pannungannu kaettaa athu oru feeling nnu mazhupittu poittu irukeenga :roll:


There is a school of zen spiritualism that believes that truest of our feelings are those than cannot be described or explained. Words exist for the sake of describing our feelings not vice versa. Feelings do not exist to be confined to be the description of some words. So it is unfair to demand an explanation, rather try to see how many things are there in this world to which you can offer a true explanation. :)

[pavalamani pragasam]

My emoticons are reply to TM's post!
To Paramashivan: humans have a sixth sense! :roll:

[littlemaster1982]

Thiru,

You are generalising way too much with what you have seen :)

Isn't that the same with every one :huh: , everything you know is 'simply' the information obtained from your Five senses, the rest is assumption and imagination based upon from the data you gathered from your five senses !

That's right. But you can't extrapolate your experiences saying "Ellarume ippadithan", "Unmaiyana kaadhal-nu edhuvme kidaiyadhu".

[ajithfederer]

Hey Cancer

1. I'm not in any side.

2. Avoid Typing in Caps.

3. TM doesn't say that arranged couples are living in heaven either. In fact his stance on marriage is widely known.


They are the side effects of love is my understanding. :P

:rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl: This thread turn into somewhere else.... all comments about ava avan kooda odi poitta... thani kudithanam :rotfl2: athellam Inga vanthu yen pesurenga...
I understood that feddy, but why talking this about here :huh:

FOR ALL THOSE,THE THREAD STARTED FOR THERE IS LOVE EXIST OR NOT,

THIRU SAYS NO, SO THERE IS NO LOVE AT ALL BETWEEN ANY MALE AND FEMALE,AS PER HIS OPINION EVERYONE IS JUST LIVING LIKE JADAMS.

no one Justifying about love and effects,maamiyar marumaga kodumai.. thani kudithanam.. that is totally out of topic,yoou guys are talking like as if all the arranged married couple are living in a heaven.

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Thiru,

You are generalising way too much with what you have seen :)

Isn't that the same with every one :huh: , everything you know is 'simply' the information obtained from your Five senses, the rest is assumption and imagination based upon from the data you gathered from your five senses !

That's right. But you can't extrapolate your experiences saying "Ellarume ippadithan", "Unmaiyana kaadhal-nu edhuvme kidaiyadhu".

100% correct

yaaro namma thiru va nalla yEmathitanga pOla :yessir:

[rajraj]

To Paramashivan: humans have a sixth sense! :roll:

Paramashivan is not human! :)

[pavalamani pragasam]

Love-ngara per-la sila/pala per pandra thappai vachu love-e illainnu neenga solreenga. Appuram edhudhan love-nu konjam ezplain pannunga.

illaatha vishayatha eppadi explain panrathu.. ithellaam love illainnu thelivaa theiriyuthu.. ithuthaan love nnu oru example paarthaalum poathu explain pannidalaam..
TM, please explain this example the way you understand it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5spWq9rJyQ



athaan kaekuraen.. neengallaam love kku ivvalavu support panreenga.. niraya anubavamum irunthirukkum. :huh: . explain pannungannu kaettaa athu oru feeling nnu mazhupittu poittu irukeenga :roll:


There is a school of zen spiritualism that believes that truest of our feelings are those than cannot be described or explained. Words exist for the sake of describing our feelings not vice versa. Feelings do not exist to be confined to be the description of some words. So it is unfair to demand an explanation, rather try to see how many things are there in this world to which you can offer a true explanation. :)

kaNdavar viNdilar, viNdavar kaNdilar ellaam sarithaan but enough to establish a non-existing phenomenon! kudikkaathavangalUkku bOthai eppadi irukkumnnu theriyaathu, athu anupavichchi aRiya vENdiya vishayam- athu maathiri luvvu-nnaa, sorry, can't get convinced!!!

[PARAMASHIVAN]

To Paramashivan: humans have a sixth sense! :roll:

Ma'am

as far as I know Five senses are all physical senses, these senses are known as 'Pancha boothas' in Hinduism, the 6th aspect of humans is the 'intellect' side, in Tamil we say 6 arivu, which simply information gathered from the 5 senses plus the imagination... this is what the human mind is

[Shakthiprabha]

pp maam,

What is love according to u :roll: :shaking: ? and where does it exist? or does it exist at all :) ?

[Thirumaran]

Thiru,

You are generalising way too much with what you have seen :)

Isn't that the same with every one :huh: , everything you know is 'simply' the information obtained from your Five senses, the rest is assumption and imagination based upon from the data you gathered from your five senses !

That's right. But you can't extrapolate your experiences saying "Ellarume ippadithan", "Unmaiyana kaadhal-nu edhuvme kidaiyadhu".

shappaa..ellaarum appadinnu sollavae illa.. :sigh2: Paravalaa irukkura vishayaththa thaan naan solraen.. itha innum ethana thadava solrathu :cry3:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

To Paramashivan: humans have a sixth sense! :roll:

Paramashivan is not human! :)

yes I am eternal, responsible for the Manifestation of the cosmos, I create , preserve and destroy the cosmos. :lol2:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

pp maam,

What is love according to u :roll: :shaking: ? and where does it exist? or does it exist at all :) ?

Sp ka

Human emotions all exists 'within' you , it is all internal , but we assume it to be external, hence all this drama !

[littlemaster1982]

Thiru,

You are generalising way too much with what you have seen :)

Isn't that the same with every one :huh: , everything you know is 'simply' the information obtained from your Five senses, the rest is assumption and imagination based upon from the data you gathered from your five senses !

That's right. But you can't extrapolate your experiences saying "Ellarume ippadithan", "Unmaiyana kaadhal-nu edhuvme kidaiyadhu".

shappaa..ellaarum appadinnu sollavae illa.. :sigh2: Paravalaa irukkura vishayaththa thaan naan solraen.. itha innum ethana thadava solrathu :cry3:

Don't back out Thiru. You said there is no such thing called love and if there are any couples who would fit that description, you call them exceptions. Then what does it mean?

Did any of us disagree that there are a lot of misguided teens/youngsters who just think infatuation/mutual attraction as love. At the same time, there are matured people who know the value of a relationship and stay committed to their partners. I don't understand why you deny that :?

[pavalamani pragasam]

pp maam,

What is love according to u :roll: :shaking: ? and where does it exist? or does it exist at all :) ?

Love does exist, it is the axis on which the world spins! I described a few pages back in my post what true love is- it is a composite item and one which is definitely not present in what is exchanged between boys and girls as 'love'!

[Benny Lava]

kaNdavar viNdilar, viNdavar kaNdilar ellaam sarithaan but enough to establish a non-existing phenomenon! kudikkaathavangalUkku bOthai eppadi irukkumnnu theriyaathu, athu anupavichchi aRiya vENdiya vishayam- athu maathiri luvvu-nnaa, sorry, can't get convinced!!!But enough to dismiss it as a non-existing phenomenon??? No way!!! :lol:

[PARAMASHIVAN]

indru pOi nalai varuvEn :wave:

[ajithfederer]

Ok on a serious note let me quote an example from my family.

In my family one cousin sister and another cousin brother did love marriage. The first one happened way back in the year 1992. My family had looked a guy for her but she liked a guy who lived down the street and he was a Muslim. My family didn't know about their love. I can very confidently say that there would have been no way in the world my family would have accepted thier marriage. They eloped away and married and she got converted to a Muslim. It was met with huge resistance but later her parents and brothers gave up their resistance and they are living happily now. They have 2 kids. My B-I-L is a gem of a guy who insists on not using cell-phones, drives an old scooter and doesn't give out money for interest.

My another cousin got married to a Hindu girl in 2007. His love dated as far as from the 1997 when they both attended XI in the same school. They were loving each other for the past 10 years. Initially there was a little bit resistance but finally things managed to smoothen out and now they are married and have a kid now.

In atleast these two cases I know Love marriage is successful(inter religious) and they are living happily and I am happy for them that they made the right choice for them :D.

[Thirumaran]

master i am not backing out.. neenga thaan literal meaning eduthuttu athayae pidichittu irukeenga..

See 2 of my posts which i posted before.. thirumba thirumba naan eththana thadava thaan athayae sollrathu :sigh2:

neenga nijamaavae purinjikalayaa, illa purinjikaatha maathiri nadikireengalaa..

If first is the case i accept i am not good in explaining :)




Shakthi, Hamid and others...

ithu love illayaa nu oru example koduththu kaekureenga .. naan athu kidayaathu from my point of view la sollraen silapoints vachchi solraen.udanae topic divert panrathaa sonnaa enna artham..

illa athu love thaanu mudinjaa neenga aaniththaramaa points vaendaamaa :huh: :roll:

i am trying to come with some answers..but my doubts and questions or still left unanswered... For example one below..




when people say love is a feeling.. u said thr is no love.. just lust etc..

then what is the name of the feeling they had? is it not love???

Perusaa onnum illa.. u know here people gets attracted towars Shriya's, anushka's etc.. for girls Maddy's, siddharth, etc. they know everyone cant get they really like..

They are getting settled with what they get :shaking:

Regarding Topic...
Not sure why everyone taking the literal meaning of that ...

Kadavul illainnu solra Kamalhaasanae thaan Anbe Sivam nnum solraar.. Athula enna muranpaadu irukku ?

Kaathal illainnu sonnaen.. Most cases (say 99.9999999 % :? )) in a relation between boy and girl there is no love... it is a combination of lust/desire/ attraction / selfishness / etc which people term as love..

exceptional cases ellaathulayum irukku.. atha consider pannittu.. 2 post la mudikirathukku ethukku oru discussion :hammer:

love paththi supportive aa paesinathula paarunga evvalavu kuzhappam...

oru silar like Sathya, pure love, love, perfect love nnu pala forms irukkunu solraanga..
Shakthi.. Pure love nnu ellaam onnum illainnu sonnaanga... there is only love..nothing else nnu solraapla..
hamid.. love irukku..aanaa athu stupidity nnu solraapla..
innum konjam paerukku entha mudivukkum vara mudiyaama enna question panrathulayae time spend aayittu irukku :roll:







We cant find PURITY in any kind of emotionally bound relationship. These are tangible , ie cant be measured and keeps changing. Why dont u complain about parents who forget to shower affection to kids or kids who forget to talk few caring words to parents? Or freinds who turn their faces away ? or siblings who curse each other?



correct thaan... but say for example.. Mother - son/daughter relation.. at least from mother side in many cases it is not a selfish one.. expecting something in favor of the love / affection she shows towards his kid.. atha maathiri innum pala relation la u can find a considerable amount of people...

But only in the case of love as per topic such unselfish and unconditional affection cases is extremely low or nil.. That is the only relation which does not care (mostly) abt the surroundings.

BTW i am not complaining or pin pointing.. I am also part of all these relations..

[pavalamani pragasam]

kaNdavar viNdilar, viNdavar kaNdilar ellaam sarithaan but enough to establish a non-existing phenomenon! kudikkaathavangalUkku bOthai eppadi irukkumnnu theriyaathu, athu anupavichchi aRiya vENdiya vishayam- athu maathiri luvvu-nnaa, sorry, can't get convinced!!!But enough to dismiss it as a non-existing phenomenon??? No way!!! :lol:
Not totally non-existing, but non-existing in the general 'affairs' we see/hear.

[pavalamani pragasam]

What a majority of younsters rave about as vivarikka mudiyaatha, dhyveega uNarvu is a pathetic delusion!!!

[littlemaster1982]

Kaathal illainnu sonnaen.. Most cases (say 99.9999999 % )) in a relation between boy and girl there is no love... it is a combination of lust/desire/ attraction / selfishness / etc which people term as love..

This is what I'm talking about. How did you arrive at 99.9999999%? If this shouldn't be taken literally, then what were you implying?

[pavalamani pragasam]

Love is something serious, deeper, and comes with commitment, accountability, responsibility, understanding, sacrifice, surrender, loyalty etc etc etc. Today's 'lovers' are alive only to the call of primal instincts only and intellect or sense takes a back seat! :lol:

[Thirumaran]

Kaathal illainnu sonnaen.. Most cases (say 99.9999999 % )) in a relation between boy and girl there is no love... it is a combination of lust/desire/ attraction / selfishness / etc which people term as love..

This is what I'm talking about. How did you arrive at 99.9999999%? If this shouldn't be taken literally, then what were you implying?ennoada school days la irunthu eppadiyum oru 100 + examples naan paarthirupaen.. enakku therinji ethuvumae love illa...

naan yaerkanavae sonna pala factors thaan..

nee vaenumnaa 95 % nnu eduthukko.. But the fact is it is rare. Of course imo..

in ur life u would have come across the divine thing called love without the factors i mentioned in lots of cases then u are free to say so or believe so.

[hamid]

yappa.. thread pala thisaiyila payanikkuthu pola :lol:

TM,
u r changind stands :notthatway: But, that was enough said already and u indirectly accepted that too.. so letz move on to the next topic..

the percentage of true love (or exceptions as per ur view) in soceity..

thr is no way we can arrive at a % for tht.. but yes.. thr is a big increase in the so-called loves offlate.. and it is not good for the soceity..but terming it as 99.999999% ellam romba oovar... a pure pessimistic view.. ellame thapputhaannu nambikittu/mudivu pannnittu paarkira paarvai.. ithuvum samuukathuku nallathilla..

[Appu s]

The thread has deviated much away from its "actual title"

"Does love exist"

talk here goes on ONLY ABOUT current trend of love wanting to get into marital lock.

Love also 'exist after marriage' even when the said 2 ppl were strangers before. Nobody wants to talk about this I assume.

Title can be comfortably c hanged as

"Is love BEFORE MARRIAGE qualifed enough to have a strong bond"

avlo thaan.


Deivameeee Thanks for pointing-out this :bow:

[littlemaster1982]

Thiru,

Even I'm not saying love is divine or it is a holy cow which shouldn't be derided at. IMO, we cannot arrive at some numbers based on our experiences. As simple as that.

Itthudan naan ungalidam irundhu vidai perugiren. Nandri vanakkam :wave:

P.S: 100%-lerndhu 95% vandhirukkeenga. That's some improvement :P