India's best actor Prakash Raj

[Karikalen]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/National-Film-Awards-Prakash-Raaj-best-actor/articleshow/4981244.cms

Congatulations and best wishes

[joe]

Vikatan leaked the results already. :)

ParakshRaj ,Congrats :thumbsup:

[Thalafanz]

Congrats Chellommmm :thumbsup:

[MADDY]

:shock:
anyways, :thumbsup:

thalaivar's ex-boss ousepachhan has won national award for best MD :D

[joe]

ousepachhan has won national award for best MD :D

oh! Idea Star singer Judge :D

For which MalayaLam movie? :roll:

[directhit]

ousepachhan has won national award for best MD :D

oh! Idea Star singer Judge :D

For which MalayaLam movie? :roll: Ore Kadal :D (read in hub, not sure if already announced)

[Plum]

:shock:
anyways, :thumbsup:

thalaivar's ex-boss ousepachhan has won national award for best MD :D

enga thalaivar's ex-chelA :-)

[Plum]

ousepachhan has won national award for best MD :D

oh! Idea Star singer Judge :D

For which MalayaLam movie? :roll: Ore Kadal :D (read in hub, not sure if already announced)

orE kadaL is well, very well deserved. Pranaya sandhya is a heck of a great song. Calcutta news also had great music by DebJyoti Mitra. But was ore kadal 2008?

[Shakthiprabha]

I am sooo happy for prakash raj :redjump: :bluejump:

[MADDY]

:shock:
anyways, :thumbsup:

thalaivar's ex-boss ousepachhan has won national award for best MD :D

enga thalaivar's ex-chelA :-)

haha, :D

[AravindMano]

Ousepachhan deserves it. Haunting score! By the way, did Meera Jasmine win one for that film?

[complicateur]

thalaivar's ex-boss ousepachhan has won national award for best MD :D

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZXGB102b64) from (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3bRoJzmiGc) his (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv19shYAzGo) first movie. Kudos to Bharathan for identifying the MD in the violinist!

[Plum]

compli, engaLa maadhiri uteeb-challengedku konjam notes podungappa,
Have you linked Andhi veyyil?

[complicateur]

No. Kathodu Kathoram. Bharathan spotted the violinist and actually had him act in a scene or two in one of his films. He promised him an opportunity to MD and did so the first opportunity he got.

[Plum]

Meera Jasmineku koduthirindhA, inge pOtturuppAngaLE, aravindmano. Any idea who got the best actress award?
(Meera was awesome in OrE kadal)

[AudazJay]

ousepachhan has won national award for best MD :D

oh! Idea Star singer Judge :D

For which MalayaLam movie? :roll: Ore Kadal :D (read in hub, not sure if already announced)

orE kadaL is well, very well deserved. Pranaya sandhya is a heck of a great song. Calcutta news also had great music by DebJyoti Mitra. But was ore kadal 2008?

Ore kadal was 2007. The awards are for films produced in 2007. 2008 awards eppo announce pannuvangelo? :roll:

[AudazJay]

Umashree gets the best actress award for the Kannada film "Gulabi Talkies".

[AravindMano]

Have heard a lot about that film and Umashree.

Jay - has the list been released?

[Cinefan]

Meera Jasmineku koduthirindhA, inge pOtturuppAngaLE, aravindmano. Any idea who got the best actress award?
(Meera was awesome in OrE kadal)

Umashree for Girish Kasaravalli's Kannada film Gulabi talkies.

Awards announced are for the year 2007,wasn't Kanchivaram a 2008 film or is it that it was censored before dec 31st 2007?

BTW,both the best actor and actress are from Karnataka but have got it for 2 different languages.

[MADDY]

Umashree gets the best actress award for the Kannada film "Gulabi Talkies".

:clap:

award ellam nalla thaan win pannuraanga pa :P

[AravindMano]

(Meera was awesome in OrE kadal)

:exactly:

Sad that she missed.

[Vivasaayi]

prakash rajuku third national award?..

iruvar he got national award..

did he get for andhapuram?

[AravindMano]

Nope. So far Iruvar and Daya. The latter was a special jury award.

[littlemaster1982]

I remember Prakashraj getting NA for Andhappuram :?

[Plum]

daya? There is no emoticon to express my emotions now!

[AravindMano]

Adoor gopalakrishnan wins Best Director (Naalu peNNugaL).

The boy who acted in Marathi film 'Tingya' (the independent entry to oscars) has won an award too. (It was just an OK performance :? )

[AravindMano]

I remember Prakashraj getting NA for Andhappuram :?

Apdiya :roll:

[AravindMano]

daya? There is no emoticon to express my emotions now!

:lol:

[Sarna]

daya?

thangaththalaivi oru paattukku dance aadiyirukkaanga :happydance:

[littlemaster1982]

I remember Prakashraj getting NA for Andhappuram :?

Apdiya :roll:

That's what I remember :? Googling now :|

[littlemaster1982]

I remember Prakashraj getting NA for Andhappuram :?

Apdiya :roll:

That's what I remember :? Googling now :|


Nana Patekar's role of the obnoxious and aggresive father-in-law was portrayed by Prakash Raj, who plays a bit part of a hired assassin in Shakti. He won the National Award for Best Supporting Actor in Anthapuram.

Rediff (http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2002/sep/26shakti.htm).

Wiki says he got the second one for "Daya" :confused2:

[Plum]

daya?

thangaththalaivi oru paattukku dance aadiyirukkaanga :happydance:
Who is that Golden Leader?

[Sarna]

daya?

thangaththalaivi oru paattukku dance aadiyirukkaanga :happydance:
Who is that Golden Leader?

simmu darling :happydance:

[AravindMano]

It might not be Daya, rather a bunch of movies and the media would have chosen this movie to mention it. The year at least am sure, it was 2003. Anthapuram was a 1998 film. So it should be 2003 movies which could be Kanaththil Muthamittal + others, the former being prominent.

And this 'special mention' is not only for acting. Was Prakash Raj involved in the direction of Daya? If so, they might have given for acting in KM + direction Daya. (I havent seen the film. So adhula kudukka edhaachum irukka nu therila :lol: )

Anyways, no confirmed news. Ellaam oru yoogam dhaan.

[equanimus]

I think he got the Special Jury Award for his "worthy" contributions in different categories (supporting actor, producer etc.) that year.

[littlemaster1982]

ArvindMano,

I guess you are right. IMDB just states he won the special jury award in 2003 without any mention of films. Somehow there is a misconception that he won an NA for Andhappuram :roll:

And Daya was directed by one Mr. Senthil Kumar.

[AravindMano]

Somehow there is a misconception that he won an NA for Andhappuram.

May be because of the powerful portrayal :)


And Daya was directed by one Mr. Senthil Kumar.

yeah, I think Prakash produced it. Not sure.

[littlemaster1982]

And Daya was directed by one Mr. Senthil Kumar.

yeah, I think Prakash produced it. Not sure.

Yes.

[mareen]

deserved!

[Dinesh84]

:clap: congrats Prakashraj sir..

2007 ku yan ivalo late ah award tharranga? arasu iyanthiram vegama seyal paduthu pola ? :?

[NOV]

ellaam en vaai muhurththam thaan. :D
I just wished this on Prakash Raj after watching Abhiyum Naanum last weel. :P

Congratulations PR! You richly deserve it! :2thumbsup:

[dell_gt]

congrats sir :thumbsup:

[viraajan]

Well Deserved! :clap:

Congrats Prakash Raj sir :bow:

[dinesh2002]

I just wished this on Prakash Raj after watching Abhiyum Naanum last weel. :P

I know!! thats what i told my frens and family after watching Abhiyum Naanum in Astro 951 Channel last week as well... haha, didnt know he will win a National Award this week... awesome!!!

Personally loved his character in the movie Abhiyum Naanum.... Great acting by Prakash Raj !! :clap:

[Prabo]

ellaam en vaai muhurththam thaan. :D
I just wished this on Prakash Raj after watching Abhiyum Naanum last weel. :P

Congratulations PR! You richly deserve it! :2thumbsup:

ethukkum vaai close panniyae vaiunga, yaaravathu atchatha potra poranaga :oops:

Abhiyum Naanum Kanjeevaram pakkala, but his performance in Arinthum Ariyamalum was very fine and I liked it a lot

[Roshan]

Congratulations Prakash Raj !! :clap: :clap:

[groucho070]

Am happy for Prakash Raj, though I have doubts about this award organisation that failed to recognise NT.

At the same time the title of this thread :evil:

[Plum]

Shreya Ghoshal-ku award vandhirukku, yaarum sollavE illa? Where is Sanjeevi?
(Jab We Met-la paadinadhuk-ku award :twisted:)

[P_R]

Is the Adoor film the one in which Nandita Das acted in ?

[P_R]

Last year Best MD award Lalgudi Jayaraman for Sringaram

sollavE illai !!! idhai paththi namma musicals ellAm kooda edhuvum sonna maadhiri theriyalaiyE

[Plum]

PR, I knew it but never got round to listening to it. Classical-music based movies usually end up strong favourites with national award committees - all 3 of IR's national awards were for movies very deep in classical music quotient - and in recent times, I have developed a bias against such callous, un-nuanced evaluation of music by NA committees.(Annamayya over GURU in 1998 was the trigger, swarabishekam by vidyasagar a few years back - both very lightweight choices with only the classical base going for them).
If Singeetham's Thyagayya project kicks off with IR as planned earlier, oru NA urudhi for IR. Unless Sathish Kaushik(or an equivalent from bollywood) heads the committee in which case Rajesh Roshan's nursery rhymes from the latest kiruthigai hit will get the award.

[P_R]

I once watched about 10 minutes of the film Sringaram. Devadasi woman asserting rights historical. adhukkaaga ? It was hilariously amateurish - acting, costumes etc. I see it has won multiple NAs !

[Plum]

PR, that's why it is difficult to take NAs seriously. For the same reason, one cannot dismiss NAs like Groucho has done here either. Because it all depends on the committee, and sometimes even if the committee is constituted of Balu Mahendra, and Adoor Gopalakrishnan, it might happen that a majority from other interests group carry through their agenda with the numbers they possess. It also depends on how a committee member feels passionately for a particular movie.actor.artiste. For instance, if there is a best lyrics award, and most of the committee members are indifferent to it, and only I am passionate about one particular Vaali song, I might get away with pushing Vaali's name for it - simply because the others are focussing on other disciplines where their favourites are and are content to go with whatever is suggested by an interested member.

As you observed, a movie like Sringaram(I take your word for it) can get awards for havign the 'right intentions'. This is worse than Saif Ali Khan for Hum Tum because nobody is going to take SAK in HT seriously, even if he gets oscar for it.

Sometimes they get it right too. So, onnnyum solradhukkilla.

[AravindMano]

Is the Adoor film the one in which Nandita Das acted in ?

Yes. It also featured Geetu Mohandas and Padmapriya in title roles. Kavya Madhavan played a supporting role.

[P_R]

Word ellAm take-Adheenga. Naan 10 nimisham dhaan paarthEn

Saif award committee was headed by Sudhir Mishra- who made a big deal about awarding someone who had done a 'light' role. Have not seen Hum Tum and I do not hate Saif like many do. But it felt like Mishra was trying to make a point with that award.

[AravindMano]

Shreya Ghoshal-ku award vandhirukku

AdhukkuLayae 3 award vaangiduchchu. Chithra-va beat paNNidum pola.

[kid-glove]

Best actor category is a flip-flop between north and south. It is heavily biased IMO. Apart from the sham of not awarding a single one to NT, south Indian actors have been deservedly awarded, like Mohanlal in Vaanaprastham (he did miss quite a few though) or Prakash raj this year, but they've got some howlers up north even with a prolific star-actor like Amitabh (leave aside Anil kapoor, Saif for Hum tum), Black and Agneepath :lol2: Black-a adjust pannikalam..but agneepath will be a 'classic' performance only for rasana-ketta mummy daddies.. He richly deserved for "Deewar", but it was up against that actor who played deaf and dumb role in 'ankur', which is quite remarkable and richly deserved the award that year. So indha madhiri compensation and adjustments are often done for North indian actors 'only'.

[Plum]

Word ellAm take-Adheenga. Naan 10 nimisham dhaan paarthEn

Saif award committee was headed by Sudhir Mishra- who made a big deal about awarding someone who had done a 'light' role. Have not seen Hum Tum and I do not hate Saif like many do. But it felt like Mishra was trying to make a point with that award.

periya petromax light role :twisted:

[joe]

Best Tamil movie : Periyar :)

[littlemaster1982]

Jo misses National Award by a whisker! (http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14909040)

Jyothika has missed the National Awards by a whisker!

At the 55th National Film Awards for 2007, Jyothika was one of the front runner for her performance in Mozhi, along with Meera Jasmine for the Malayalam Ore Kadal and Umashree for the Kannada Gulabi.

One of the members of the jury noted Malayalam director Sibi Malayil said: “The best actress award was well fought till the end as the jury was divided. We had to choose between three brilliant performances enacted by Jyothika, Meera and Uma, finally Uma squeezed through.”

According to another source after seeing Jo’s outstanding performance in Mozhi, the members at the special screening gave a standing ovation. She was in contention for the award till the last round, when Umashree emerged triumphant.

[P_R]

Best Tamil movie : Periyar :)
ennadhu !!

It should have been Saroja :lol2:

[Sarna]

namma JK ritheesh bollywood'la hero'va nadichchirundhaa , best actor NA vaangiyiruppaarO :think:

[joe]

Best Tamil movie : Periyar :)
ennadhu !!

It should have been Saroja :lol2:

:rotfl:

[crajkumar_be]

Shreya Ghoshal-ku award vandhirukku, yaarum sollavE illa? Where is Sanjeevi?

:clap: :bluejump:



(Jab We Met-la paadinadhuk-ku award :twisted:)[quote]
:evil: Right dhaan, aana eppadiyo award kuduthaingale...

[Plum]

2007-la bollywood movies enna? Were there any award-worthy performances? Maddy, equa, PR pOndra Bolly fans vevarama sollunga.

[P_R]

2007-la bollywood movies enna? Were there any award-worthy performances? Maddy, equa, PR pOndra Bolly fans vevarama sollunga.


Johnny Gaddar
Life in a Metro
Chak de India
Guru
Tare Zameen Par

Ones I haven't seen but heard were good:

Gandhi, my Father
Yatra (Goutham Ghose...Bengali-la eduthirundhA NA-aavadhu kidaichirukkum)
Khoya Khoya Chand
No Smoking
Blue Umbrella
manorama Six feet under
Ek Chalis ki aakri local

[Plum]

life in a metro. GURU
Siluppa sattikku oru award, apisek pachanukku oru award kedachirukkaNumE...award committee-la bolly perunthalaigaL illa pOliriukku. nalla vELai.

Looks like a south-biased NA award season. All they could manage was one best singer for Jab We Met. Adutha varusham pooram bollywood pasanga dhaan awards paarunga....2008-la enna movies vandhudhunu sonnA, ippovE predict paNNiralAm.

[P_R]

Actually Shilpa was not bad in the film. Of course I had very little expectations about her when I watched the film.

Irfan Khan-ku oru vengaLa kiNNam kuduthirukkalaam.

[MADDY]

Actually Shilpa was not bad in the film. Of course I had very little expectations about her when I watched the film.

she was good even when i watched after Nerd's praise :D .....

looking at list of 2007 bollywood movies - innumaada ooru thamizha padangal-la namburaanga :lol:

[P_R]

Hello neenga Kanchivaram paathAchA ?

[Plum]

Actually Shilpa was not bad in the film. Of course I had very little expectations about her when I watched the film.

Irfan Khan-ku oru vengaLa kiNNam kuduthirukkalaam.
Vengala kiNNam(Philimphare) kooda kedaikkadhunga avarukku.
(NA-nu varache, as someone observed, only worthless Anil Kapoor-in-Pukars, Saif-in-HumTums, and Bachan-in-Agneepaths seem to get it from Bollywood.)
Filmfare sollavE vENAm - rendu mooNu kudumbathai thAndi kudukkavE maataanga(Bollywood mothamumE 2-3 families-kuLLa adangidumngaradhu vEra vishayam :lol:)

[Sanguine Sridhar]

Actually Shilpa was not bad in the film. Of course I had very little expectations about her when I watched the film.

she was good even when i watched after Nerd's praise :D .....

looking at list of 2007 bollywood movies - innumaada ooru thamizha padangal-la namburaanga :lol:

Patha vachutiye paratta......

[joe]

ithula 'Tare Zameen Par ' mattum thaan paathirukken ..athuvum 2 thadava :)

[MADDY]

Hello neenga Kanchivaram paathAchA ?

illa, indha oru padathhukkaga yen statement-a deny panna solreengala :) ......btw, paruthiveeran and chennai-28 came in 2007 only 8-)


Patha vachutiye paratta......

cha cha, adhellam sanda varadhu :P

[Plum]

Except Blue Umbrella, none of the other movies are worth calling over-looked.
One thing we must understand is that while the 'average' quality of Bolly movies is higher these days, the "maximum' quality segment is still hotly contested between Tamil, Malayalam, Hindi and Bengali. This seems to be reflected in the 2007 awards.

[joe]

For arguement sake lets agree Hindi has more quality movies in 2007 ..But even if Tamil ,malayalam ,Telugu had better quality movies ,Do the north indian forums have discussions comparing Hindi movies with Tamil ,Telugu and Malayalam movies by listing them ? :roll:

Ithu enna maathiri design ? :roll:

[mexicomeat]

is the 2007 awards or 2008 awards?

i was expecting naan kadavul to win - but its a 2008 movie?

ore confusion..aarachum clear pannungappa

btw we are in 2009 now, right?

[MADDY]

Except Blue Umbrella, none of the other movies are worth calling over-looked.

i was not talking abt these movies getting awards at all......i mean, i donno if any jury will give awards for johnny gaddar or No Smoking......


the "maximum' quality segment is still hotly contested between Tamil, Malayalam, Hindi and Bengali. This seems to be reflected in the 2007 awards.

vaadaye aagaadhu ......indha padangal-la oru mannum puriyaadhu enakku......... :)

[P_R]

Maddy, Paruthiveeran 2007-a ? Priyamanikku pOna varushamE kuduthuttAingaLE..award-ai thiruppi vaanga sollaNum.

Guru-ku NA kudkkAdhadhaip paththi unga karuthu ?

Anyway, Roshan engE ? JothikA-ku (Mozhi) kudukkaama yaarO Kannada actress-ku kuduthuttaanga. :lol2:

[littlemaster1982]

Jyothika missed NA :(

[P_R]

For arguement sake lets agree Hindi has more quality movies in 2007 ..But even if Tamil ,malayalam ,Telugu had better quality movies ,Do the north indian forums have discussions comparing Hindi movies with Tamil ,Telugu and Malayalam movies by listing them ? :roll:

Never...
nalladhu enga irundhaalum pOyi pArAtturadhu namadhu paNpAdu :lol2:

[Plum]

Jyothika missed NA :(
Jyothika missed NA :-) :-)
Meera missed NA :(

[Plum]

Except Blue Umbrella, none of the other movies are worth calling over-looked.

i was not talking abt these movies getting awards at all......i mean, i donno if any jury will give awards for johnny gaddar or No Smoking......


the "maximum' quality segment is still hotly contested between Tamil, Malayalam, Hindi and Bengali. This seems to be reflected in the 2007 awards.

vaadaye aagaadhu ......indha padangal-la oru mannum puriyaadhu enakku......... :)
By 'maximum quality', I am not pigeonholing to Sringara and Kanchivaram. The best tamil movie(say a paruthiveeran) is well comparable to the best bolly movie in quality no matter what the averages are.

[Appu s]

Jyothika missed NA :(
Jyothika missed NA :-) :-)
Meera missed NA :(

:lol:

[MADDY]

Maddy, Paruthiveeran 2007-a ? Priyamanikku pOna varushamE kuduthuttAingaLE..award-ai thiruppi vaanga sollaNum.

padam release aanadhu 2007 dhaan.....certificate, degree ellam 2006-e irukkum.....


Guru-ku NA kudkkAdhadhaip paththi unga karuthu ?

honestly no one deserved it - not even thalaivar......

[Appu s]

Maddy, Paruthiveeran 2007-a ? Priyamanikku pOna varushamE kuduthuttAingaLE..award-ai thiruppi vaanga sollaNum.



ada aama la, athu enna kanakku :roll:

[Sarna]

By 'maximum quality', I am not pigeonholing to Sringara and Kanchivaram. The best tamil movie(say a paruthiveeran) is well comparable to the best bolly movie in quality no matter what the averages are.

paruthiveeran'ukku equal quality'Oda bolly movie irukkaa :? ... btw adhOda original version i mean hollywod or western movie edhunu sollunga :)

[Plum]

sarNA, apdiyellam pEsa padAdhu. Maqbool, Omkara maadhiri padangaL paarthuttu piragum, naanE kashtapattu kollywood-ku inge vaadhadindurukkEn. ipdi muzhu poosaNikkaya maraikka solrIngaLE...

[P_R]

Maqbool-Oda 'original' Shakespeare illaiyA...adhunaala adhai paarthappuramum Bolly waste-nu namma Sarna argue paNNa vaaippugaL uNdu

[Appu s]

By 'maximum quality', I am not pigeonholing to Sringara and Kanchivaram. The best tamil movie(say a paruthiveeran) is well comparable to the best bolly movie in quality no matter what the averages are.

paruthiveeran'ukku equal quality'Oda bolly movie irukkaa :? ... btw adhOda original version i mean hollywod or western movie edhunu sollunga :)

sarna :lol: how many bollywood movies have u seen? and can u tell us from where they copied that ? y always sweep comments about hindi movies ?

[P_R]

Incongruous-A pEsinA naangaLum pEsuvOm JTYJN beats Paruthiveeran....and that's coming from someone who actually liked PV.

[Sarna]

Maqbool-Oda 'original' Shakespeare illaiyA...adhunaala adhai paarthappuramum Bolly waste-nu namma Sarna argue paNNa vaaippugaL uNdu

oh... kaminey director direct panna padamaa Maqbool...then oru nalla Indian or Indianised movie'yaa dhaan irukkum :) so maqbool'a vittudunga :)

[P_R]

Johnny Gaddar - what Tamil movie of recent times is going to stand up to this one ? :lol2:

[kid-glove]

Johnny Gaddar - what Tamil movie of recent times is going to stand up to this one ? :lol2:

Nothing of that sort are being made in Tamil cinema. But I guess we can't compare that 'sort' to Kanchivaram.

[Sarna]

sarNA, apdiyellam pEsa padAdhu. Maqbool, Omkara maadhiri padangaL paarthuttu piragum, naanE kashtapattu kollywood-ku inge vaadhadindurukkEn. ipdi muzhu poosaNikkaya maraikka solrIngaLE...

indha rendu padaththayum paaththuttu vandhu pEsurEn :)

[Plum]

Johnny Gaddar - what Tamil movie of recent times is going to stand up to this one ? :lol2:

Nothing of that sort are being made in Tamil cinema. But I guess we can't compare that 'sort' to Kanchivaram.

Oh yes averages versus peak level. Bollywood's average is greater, but the top is still not way beyond the top of regional movies(I mean forget kanchivaram, the top popular movies of the order of VKK, even Pasanga and co. etc). That is not much consolation though and that's where, I understand Maddy comes from. But what to do? Maddy idhaiyum sollitty, reNDu top takkar-nu solluvAr :-(

In other words, the bane of tamil movies is not "what hasnt been made" but "what is being made on the average".

[equanimus]

is the 2007 awards or 2008 awards?

i was expecting naan kadavul to win - but its a 2008 movie?

ore confusion..aarachum clear pannungappa

btw we are in 2009 now, right?
mexicomeat,
The problem is there was a huge delay in announcing the awards for 2005 due to some legal issues, and they were finally announced in late 2007! They're yet to compensate for that lag.

[Plum]

Shreya Ghoshal-ku award vandhirukku

AdhukkuLayae 3 award vaangiduchchu. Chithra-va beat paNNidum pola.

enakku ennannA, all-time greatest-la indha poNNu Lata paatti-ya replace pandradhai paarthuttu dhaan kaNN moodaNum...

[Sarna]

Incongruous-A pEsinA naangaLum pEsuvOm JTYJN beats Paruthiveeran....and that's coming from someone who actually liked PV.

naanum 30 mins'aa indha vaarththaikku enna meaning'nu yOsichchittirukkEn :? namma plum maadhiriyE wordweb'um confuse pannudhu :hammer: :hammer:

[MADDY]

Oh yes averages versus peak level. Bollywood's average is greater, but the top is still not way beyond the top of regional movies(I mean forget kanchivaram, the top popular movies of the order of VKK, even Pasanga and co. etc).

akkadne contention Plum garu.......Prabhuram garu cheptharu


Incongruous-A pEsinA naangaLum pEsuvOm JTYJN beats Paruthiveeran....and that's coming from someone who actually liked PV.


Maddy idhaiyum sollitty, reNDu top takkar-nu solluvAr :-(

u mean to say, people like me encourage rendu like movies hence tamil movies are like this??

[Plum]

incongruous - (not exact translation) amavasai and abdul khader.

[AravindMano]

Jyothika has missed the National Awards by a whisker!



:shock: Apdiya? avLo nalla nadichirundhaangaLa? I don't think so.

Irundhaalum, this is the closest, a tamil actress who-doesnt-dub-for-herself can get. Dub pannalana chance illa. :lol:

[P_R]

Female Playback Singer

Hindi-Tamil 12 each !

[P_R]

Dubbing is overrated

[Plum]

Oh yes averages versus peak level. Bollywood's average is greater, but the top is still not way beyond the top of regional movies(I mean forget kanchivaram, the top popular movies of the order of VKK, even Pasanga and co. etc).

akkadne contention Plum garu.......Prabhuram garu cheptharu


Incongruous-A pEsinA naangaLum pEsuvOm JTYJN beats Paruthiveeran....and that's coming from someone who actually liked PV.


Maddy:akkadne contention Plum garu.......Prabhuram garu cheptharu
Plum: telungu?
Plum's allakai chelA: unga kitteye!

:lol:

[Plum]

u mean to say, people like me encourage rendu like movies hence tamil movies are like this??


Apdi illainga. "ungaLa maadhiri indians ipdi encourage pandra varaikkum, that will be tamil film world for you"-nu solla vandhEn...

[Sarna]

u mean to say, people like me encourage rendu like movies hence tamil movies are like this??

Incongruous'ku meaning enakku purinjiduchchu :happydance: :happydance:

[AravindMano]

Dubbing is overrated

Overrate paNNala. Just a natual expectation, like nalla body language, expressions. kuralum oru form of expression dhaane.

[MADDY]

u mean to say, people like me encourage rendu like movies hence tamil movies are like this??


Apdi illainga. "ungaLa maadhiri indians ipdi encourage pandra varaikkum, that will be tamil film world for you"-nu solla vandhEn...

u mean bladdy indians..... :lol: anyways, i think otherwise....see below


top is still not way beyond the top of regional movies(I mean forget kanchivaram, the top popular movies of the order of VKK, even Pasanga and co. etc)

u know the bane of tamil movies?? hailing mediocrity like the bolded portions above.......pasanga madhiri idealistic/unbelivable writing-a ellam neenga top-nnu solradhunaala dhaan tamil cinema can never touch bollywood averages........same goes for hype on Bala....he is good, he is great - but when people make him the only one - its quite abvious that its encouraging only "a" particular group of people and "a" particular style of writing......

encouraging corporates (not suntv and kalaignar tv), bringing technology not only for filmmaking also for marketing and distribution will improve tamil movie standards.......idha naan sollala, saakshaat kamal-e sonnaru......

[P_R]

Of course...there has been a tendency in these parts to dismiss en masse performances of actresses who borrow voices. So muLaiyilEyE kiLLi eRiyum vidhamA post paNNEn :-)

[Sarna]

Statement no 1: pasanga madhiri idealistic/unbelivable writing

Statement no 2: TZP maadhiri idealistic/unbelivable writing

for me both statements are meaningless :)

[Plum]

Maddy, note the *even* before Pasanga. If a VKK maps to Kaminey(not in genre, but in overall quality), a pasanga will map to Love Aaj Kal(above average but hailed as masterpiece etc). (again not in genre, style etc)

Indha hyping ordinary to above average, and the sequence thereof is applicable to both sides in different genres, different styles.

[joe]

It is a sin to compare TZP with Pasanga ..Pasanga is not that worth ,IMO.

[crajkumar_be]

It is a sin to compare TZP with Pasanga ..Pasanga is not that worth ,IMO.
Agree

[joe]

I have expected 'Best art direction' award than Best actor ,Best film for Kanjeevaram ..and Cinematography was also great.

[P_R]

Cinematography namma Thiru...kuduthaaingaLA ?

[joe]

Cinematography namma Thiru...kuduthaaingaLA ?

kudukkala ..Art direction ,I think Sabu Cyril ,really great work.

[MADDY]

Indha hyping ordinary to above average, and the sequence thereof is applicable to both sides in different genres, different styles.

so, why does my liking of rendu causes imbalance?

[Appu s]

It is a sin to compare TZP with Pasanga ..Pasanga is not that worth ,IMO.
Agree

+2

[Plum]

ada nIngalLAm bolly-la nalla padam support pandreenga, kolly-nu varache Rendu is great, Bala oru sothai-nu solreenga. Adhukkaga sonnEn. Irukkara oNNU rendu gutsy makersaiyum discourage paNNinA, apram epdi naanga mEla varadhu?

[joe]

ada nIngalLAm bolly-la nalla padam support pandreenga, kolly-nu varache Rendu is great, Bala oru sothai-nu solreenga. Adhukkaga sonnEn. Irukkara oNNU rendu gutsy makersaiyum discourage paNNinA, apram epdi naanga mEla varadhu?

In future Bala ARR kooda work panninal ..appuram Bala great-nnu Maddy sandaikku varuvaaru ..athu varai poRuppom :lol:

[dinesh2002]

Jyothika missed NA :(

i know... how sad is that... was totally expecting her to win, now when i get to know she was so close to win it, im furious!!! :evil:

She was EXCELLENT in the film ....

[MADDY]

In future Bala ARR kooda work panninal ..appuram Bala great-nnu Maddy sandaikku varuvaaru ..athu varai poRuppom :lol:

so, neenga Bala-va support panradhu avaru innum ARR kooda work pannaadhudhaan kaaranama :)

[Appu s]

Cinematography namma Thiru...kuduthaaingaLA ?

kudukkala ..Art direction ,I think Sabu Cyril ,really great work.

Sabu cyril for om shanti om..

[P_R]

:lol:

thOttA dharaNi for Sivaji maadhiri

[joe]

In future Bala ARR kooda work panninal ..appuram Bala great-nnu Maddy sandaikku varuvaaru ..athu varai poRuppom :lol:

so, neenga Bala-va support panradhu avaru innum ARR kooda work pannaadhudhaan kaaranama :)

Neenga orutharai admire pannuRathu kooda ARR kooda uLla relationship-ai poRuthathu -gra maathiri pala muRai pesirukkeenga.

I don't like or dislike anybody like that .

Anyway ,serious-a eduthukkateenga 8-)

[joe]

Cinematography namma Thiru...kuduthaaingaLA ?

kudukkala ..Art direction ,I think Sabu Cyril ,really great work.

Sabu cyril for om shanti om..

Oho ..eppadiyo kidacha sari ..Nalla thaan pirichu kodukkuRanga :)

[Appu s]

best animation movie - Inimey naangathan :)

[leosimha]

:shock:

[joe]

காஞ்சிவரம்..பணம் வாங்காத பிரகாஷ் ராஜ்

எனக்கு சிறந்த நடிகருக்கான தேசிய விருது கிடைத்ததை விட, தமிழ்ப் படத்துக்கு விருது கிடைத்தது மகிழ்ச்சியாக உள்ளதாக நடிகர் பிரகாஷ் ராஜ் கூறியுள்ளார்.

`காஞ்சிவரம்' படத்துக்கும் அதில் நடித்த தனக்கும் தேசிய விருதுகள் கிடைத்தது குறித்து பிரகாஷ் ராஜ் கூறுகையில்,

ரொம்ப சந்தோஷமா இருக்கு. எனக்கு சிறந்த நடிகருக்கான விருது கிடைத்ததை விட, தமிழ் படத்துக்கு விருது கிடைத்திருப்பது இன்னும் பெருமையா இருக்கு.

இயக்குனர் பிரியதர்ஷனுக்கு என் முதல் நன்றி. அவர் இந்திப் பட உலகில் பிஸியாக இருந்த நேரத்தில் ஒருநாள் என்னை சந்தித்தார். நான் ஒரு தமிழ் படம் எடுக்கப் போகிறேன். அந்த கதைக்கு நீதான் பொருத்தமாக இருப்பாய். நீ சம்மதித்தால், உடனே அந்த படத்தை எடுப்பேன். இல்லையென்றால் திட்டத்தை தள்ளிப்போடுவேன் என்றார். கதையை அவர் என்னிடம் சொன்போது ஆடிப்போய் விட்டேன்.

பிரியதர்ஷன் என்னிடம் கதையை சொல்லி முடித்தபோது என் கைகள் நடுங்கின, கண்ணீர் விட்டேன். என்னால் எதுவும் பேச முடியவில்லை. நெடு நேரம் ஆனது.. அந்த உணர்ச்சிகளி்ல் இருந்து வெளியே வர. இப்படிப்பட்ட கதையை ஏன் இத்தனை நாட்களாக முடக்கி வைத்திருந்தீ்ர்கள் என்று அவரை திட்டிவிட்டுத் தான் நடிக்க ஒப்புக் கொண்டேன்.

மிகுந்த வலி நிறைந்த பாத்திரம் அது. அதில் நடித்தது எனக்கே ஒரு பயிற்சியாகத்தான் இருந்தது.

இந்த விருது பிரியதர்ஷனுக்கும் அவரது டீமுக்குமே சாறும். அவர் நினைத்திருந்தால் இன்னொரு கமர்சியல் படம் எடுத்து சம்பாதித்து இருக்க முடியும். ஆனால், தனது நேரத்தை நல்ல படத்துக்காக செலவிட்ட மனிதர் அவர் என்றார்.

இதில் நடிக்க பிரகாஷ் ராஜ் பணமே வாங்கவில்லை என்பது யாருக்கும் தெரியாத செய்தி . இப்படிப்பட்ட படத்தில் நடிக்க வாய்ப்பு தந்ததே போதும் என்று சொல்லிவிட்டாராம்.

விருது குறி்த்து இயக்குனர் பிரியதர்ஷன் கூறுகையில்,

25 வருடங்களாக எத்தனையோ படங்களை இயக்கியுள்ளேன். பல விருதுகளையும் பெற்றுள்ளேன். காஞ்சிவரம் படத்திற்கு தேசிய விருது கிடைத்தது மிகுந்த மகிழ்ச்சி தருகிறது.

பிரகாஷ் ராஜுன் நடிப்பே, இந்த படத்திற்கு விருது கிடைக்க முக்கிய காரணம். தமிழ் சினிமா கலைஞர்கள் மிகத் திறமையானவர்கள் என்றார்

[MADDY]

In future Bala ARR kooda work panninal ..appuram Bala great-nnu Maddy sandaikku varuvaaru ..athu varai poRuppom :lol:

so, neenga Bala-va support panradhu avaru innum ARR kooda work pannaadhudhaan kaaranama :)

Neenga orutharai admire pannuRathu kooda ARR kooda uLla relationship-ai poRuthathu -gra maathiri pala muRai pesirukkeenga.

I don't like or dislike anybody like that .

Anyway ,serious-a eduthukkateenga 8-)

sure no probs - adhu appadi aaiduchhu :)

[kid-glove]

ada nIngalLAm bolly-la nalla padam support pandreenga, kolly-nu varache Rendu is great, Bala oru sothai-nu solreenga. Adhukkaga sonnEn. Irukkara oNNU rendu gutsy makersaiyum discourage paNNinA, apram epdi naanga mEla varadhu?

SOkka sonnayya

[Plum]

k_g, I am glad you "caught my point"!

[MADDY]

ada nIngalLAm bolly-la nalla padam support pandreenga, kolly-nu varache Rendu is great, Bala oru sothai-nu solreenga. Adhukkaga sonnEn. Irukkara oNNU rendu gutsy makersaiyum discourage paNNinA, apram epdi naanga mEla varadhu?

SOkka sonnayya

indha madhiri ellam generalise panni assume panni adhula Maddy-oda tastes and preferences derive panna, naa enna panradhu :D ........

bollywood-layum yuvvraaj, jodha akbar madhiri waste padangal-a theatre-la paathu whistle adichha koottam dhaan naanga.......i mean, its not that i selectively support good movies for bollywood and choose bad ones for tamil intentionally.....tamil-yum oru DevD illa No smoking varattum - contenees support panren........inga dhaan saanso saaiso illaye.........Bala mattum dhaan best-nnu solli, avaru edukkura extreme ,fantasy movies dhaan right way of filmmaking and support such good efforts-nnu sollikittu thiriya enakku ishtam illa.......

[Plum]

Maddy, andha like-for-like dhaan kashtamngarEn. This is what I said "inge varudhu anga varalainA, anga varadhu inga varalai". You may not like Bala's films, but can you deny that they push the envelope, and expand the horizons as much as(arguably more than, in that they come with popular acceptance) No Smoking. Except Dev D, none of the avant garde Bolly movies are decent hits - Maqbool flopped, Omkara was at best average return; kaminey itself, despite being masalaic, is only average.

To make movies like Pithamagan, and Naan KadavuL, and shove it down the throat of a kicking and screaming tamil mass movies fan, and make him accept it - now, thats a director with a vision, and guts, and ability.
I mean, Pithamagan fantasy-nA, No Smoking enna? magic realism? surrealism?

[P_R]

Maqbool was a hit I say

Does the success of Maqbool mean that the Hindi filmviewer has come of age appidinnu Abbas Tyrewala kitte kELvi kEttu...essay ellAm vaangi pOttAnga ToI-la

[Plum]

No, I dont think so. Look at reviews for Kaminey, people accusing him of selling out by compromising because his previous movies failed commercially.

Hit/Flop - very difficult to say sitting here. Everyone interprets according to their convenience dhaan. But I did read somewhere that he had difficulty finding finance for Omkara, because the money bags were afraid he'll make a maqbool, and he had to rope in stars like (sic) Garina, devagaNam and Safe aligaan so as to sell the movie.

[crajkumar_be]

I saw an interview of VB where he says Maqbool was profitable

[P_R]

Naan Mumbai multiplex heartland-il paarthEn...adhunaala I am incapable of providing evidence to the contrary.

Kaminey sell-out aamaa.....adhu maadhiri inge yEn sella maatraangannu kEtta market, culture, sand smell appidinnu ellAm solraanga.

[Plum]

Nevertheless, I object to any appraisals that the average Bollywood fan can think beyond Love Aaj Kal or at the best, Kaminey. Chumma chumma tamizh audience make mass movies of Asith-Visay hit=nuttu, ennamO bollywood fans are intellectual rangeku build up kudukka koodadhu. Fact is Yashraj-Johar-and-now-LoveAajKal types are as much staple to them as the Vijay mass movie to us. It doesnt make the average bolly movie better. What raises their average is the avant garde(Mithya, Cyrus kinds) totally uncompromising movies. The fact that they can be made and released, even if not profitably, is a plus. We dont have that here. That is a problem to be addressed.

[MADDY]

I mean, Pithamagan fantasy-nA, No Smoking enna? magic realism? surrealism?

kandippa, No Smoking fantasy dhaan........but if Anurag Kashyap keeps making No Smokings and No Drinkings with surrealism and his supporters keep telling he is the most gutsy director and realistic then i would call Anurag Kashyap "overhyped" ......

[MADDY]

What raises their average is the avant garde(Mithya, Cyrus kinds) totally uncompromising movies. The fact that they can be made and released, even if not profitably, is a plus. We dont have that here. That is a problem to be addressed.

yes, and not hide behind the "supposed" ignorance of this poor tamil movie fan, who has given blockbusters to efforts like nayagan, mudhal mariyadhai, paruthiveeran etc......

come to think of it, no. of good movies that run in tamil is much higher than that of indhi.....then where is the problem yaa :x .......why cant tamil directors give good movies and uplift the standards alltogether?? i watched Chennai-28 in theater and rendu in dvd - come on :D ......improve ur writing skills, i say and stop hiding behind culture, language, barriers, ajith-vijay fans' ignorance etc...

[Plum]

Naan Mumbai multiplex heartland-il paarthEn...adhunaala I am incapable of providing evidence to the contrary.

Kaminey sell-out aamaa.....adhu maadhiri inge yEn sella maatraangannu kEtta market, culture, sand smell appidinnu ellAm solraanga.

PR, I dont want to go into that. I already said that the fact that a movie like Maqbool can be made and released is a victory for bollywood, never mind profits, and that is a state we must aspire for. But we must remember that Kerala had great success with that in 80's, and early 90's. Today look at them - how do you explain that? Time. Circumstances, ennAla avLO dhAn solla mudiyum.
Kamal-ku creative juices pOradhukkuLLa, inge andha nelamai vandhA sandhosham dhaan - I wonder what not can he achieve if he didnt have to justify box office returns - the kind of freedom with which Kashyap and Bhardwaj swing their bats, if people like Kamal and Bala have it....

[P_R]

The answer to most of the questions - to a large part I won't say that is the only problem - is that there aren't as many good creators around.

Even if that is not the biggest reason I find people are trying to look the other way about this all the time.

Kamal - the writer/creator - is a cut above the rest because something intangibly huger than the content as such. I can't place a finger on it. It is an overall sense of characterizations and depth..which is woefully inadequate.

That subramaniapuram is being passed off as 'true to its chosen milieu' is something I find unacceptable. Thankfully Nadodigal was not. But I wonder if Nadodigal had been released first and then Su.Pu how the reactions would have been. adhai thaan sonnEn.

True there is no VKK in Hindi. As I said earlier..the nature of the language is such. Perhaps set it in some place in UP such that the dialect is not intelligible to many. But if such a movie - in whatever labguage that would end up being in- were made I am certain they have the writers to be able to do justice to 'reality' of the characterizations.

Gulaal - a very ordinary, localized film. But convincing was never a problem - even though it had outrageous characters. Thamizh-la ezhudhiruvaangannu 'ndreengaLA ?

[kid-glove]

Naan Mumbai multiplex heartland-il paarthEn...adhunaala I am incapable of providing evidence to the contrary.

Kaminey sell-out aamaa.....adhu maadhiri inge yEn sella maatraangannu kEtta market, culture, sand smell appidinnu ellAm solraanga.

PR, I dont want to go into that. I already said that the fact that a movie like Maqbool can be made and released is a victory for bollywood, never mind profits, and that is a state we must aspire for. But we must remember that Kerala had great success with that in 80's, and early 90's. Today look at them - how do you explain that? Time. Circumstances, ennAla avLO dhAn solla mudiyum.
Kamal-ku creative juices pOradhukkuLLa, inge andha nelamai vandhA sandhosham dhaan - I wonder what not can he achieve if he didnt have to justify box office returns - the kind of freedom with which Kashyap and Bhardwaj swing their bats, if people like Kamal and Bala have it....

Well put, Plum. Let's hope so...

[Plum]

PR, I dont think Abbas Tyrewallah can write a Paruthiveeran. Didnt see Gulaal.
What's his name, the Jab We Met kid, he surely cannot write a Virumandi.
(Infact, I really wonder how accurate the punjabiyat of Jab We Met is. A few portions were jarring when I saw it - cant remember now)

Remember the "okati ledhu" of Virumandi? Hindi-la oruthan porakkalingarEn, apdi ezhudharathukku.

[MADDY]

The answer to most of the questions - to a large part I won't say that is the only problem - is that there aren't as many good creators around.

Even if that is not the biggest reason I find people are trying to look the other way about this all the time.

Kamal - the writer/creator - is a cut above the rest because something intangibly huger than the content as such. I can't place a finger on it. It is an overall sense of characterizations and depth..which is woefully inadequate.

this is what i said


improve ur writing skills, i say and stop hiding behind culture, language, barriers, ajith-vijay fans' ignorance etc...

plum, PR-e sollittaru, ippavadhu othhukkongo :)

[kid-glove]

Lack of talent- well, give it some time. As and when the industry has grown to an extent that financing, production and distribution of independent and/or offbeat cinema is possible, the talented writer/director/auteur will emerge, in numbers.

[Plum]

solla enna irukku Maddy. I grant all that already. The only gripe I have with your views is placing Bala below a Kashyap or Bhardwaj. He is no less. In some ways, Naan KadavuL or Pithamagan is a movie that Bollywood can never make and release, forget making a box office hit of it.

Last 2 weeks, 10 movies released in Bollywood, do you know that? How many of them were memorable? I guess from BR's site that only a few of them were released in Chennai. There is even a Bollywood ritheesh, a visually challenged guy from London who produced, wrote and starred in a dud! IdhellAm nIngaLLAm miss pandreengannu nenaikkaaren. What I am saying is there are equal number of duds of equal quality in Bollywood also. Sometimes, people down south only see the best of Bollywood and compare it to Pasanga, Naturally, kollywood loses deposit there.

As I agreed, where they score is that some movies they make, no way it can be made in Tamil now. Then again, we agreed, for whatever reasons, that they cant make a paruthiveeran. I contend that neither Kashyap, nor Tyrewala, nor the Jab We met kid can write a paruthiveeran or Naan KadavuL or Virumandi.

[crajkumar_be]

Inga oru note:

Love Aajkals Savaraajs >> Films like the one that guy Hari doing (Madurai based!). Beauty enna na even in the herd game, these guys are pretty late. This should have come during the time of Sullan, Sivakasi etc...

[Plum]

Love Aaj Kal = pinnacle of its genre(which can be said to be a refined version of yashraj)
So, cant compare with Vel or ATM.
Compare it with the pinnacle of the genre of Vel, ATM etc. kaNakku sariyA varum. Or even Subramanyapuram.

Infact, if you present LAK as a fine version of its genre, I'll present Virumandi as the pinnacle of the Madurai genre, and you'll lose deposit!

[MADDY]

Infact, if you present LAK as a fine version of its genre, I'll present Virumandi as the pinnacle of the Madurai genre, and you'll lose deposit!

and how many virumandis have swarmed our market? but they are giving LAK, Jab we met, socha na tha, ahista ahista consistently - whichever way u look at it, no competition i say

[crajkumar_be]

Love Aaj Kal = pinnacle of its genre(which can be said to be a refined version of yashraj)
So, cant compare with Vel or ATM.
Compare it with the pinnacle of the genre of Vel, ATM etc. kaNakku sariyA varum. Or even Subramanyapuram.

Infact, if you present LAK as a fine version of its genre, I'll present Virumandi as the pinnacle of the Madurai genre, and you'll lose deposit!
Obviously i can't compare Sullan/Sivakasi etc with anything in Indhi then because that genre does not exist(?) there (Isn't that "itself" a point in favor of BW?)!

I'm presenting LAK as something loathsome from Bollywood and i'm saying the worst of BW is > the worst of KW
Blood boils when we see the araajagam of designer crap and the mandatory foreign locales and opulence. Yet, what one feels when one watches *our* crap is something more (The loudness, aaarg!) . The only redemption is "comedy" but ippo adhuvum konjam lighta adi vaangudhu...

[crajkumar_be]

Let's take another department we own/have been owning - music.
There is loud kuthu paattu dominance in our industry. OTOS, i rarely see a "melliflous" duet - 94% club dance songs.. guruppa aadi paadraanga. Yet, even if i dont like the songs, they dont hurt my ears like our staple kuthu songs do.
I still believe namma music directors dhaan best nu but we need to be careful here

[MADDY]

Let's take another department we own/have been owning - music.
There is loud kuthu paattu dominance in our industry. OTOS, i rarely see a "melliflous" duet - 94% club dance songs.. guruppa aadi paadraanga. Yet, even if i dont like the songs, they dont hurt my ears like our staple kuthu songs do.
I still believe namma music directors dhaan best nu but we need to be careful here

Amit thambi adichhu thookkittaru andha department-ayum......i was about to come there - sorry for bringing DevD everywhere - did we have a album like DevD in tamil for last 5 yrs.......i would say, even ARR's tamil albums pale in front of DevD

[complicateur]

Lack of talent- well, give it some time. As and when the industry has grown to an extent that financing, production and distribution of independent and/or offbeat cinema is possible, the talented writer/director/auteur will emerge, in numbers.
ennatha independent film movement. Opening ellAm nallA thAn irunthuthu, AnA thalaivar okAnthu oru 400 words padikka mAtEngurAru. "You are unseletted"-nu solli thaNNi theLichchu vittAlAvathu paravA illa, athayum seyyAmA remba tensan paNrAru!

Good point on the music. It is slowly and steadily declining. Even in the Malayalam film industry the music was the last to go.

[Plum]

Love Aaj Kal, Jab We Met, Socha Na Tha, Ahista Ahista. First two are hits, last two aren't. Varying levels of quality and craftsmanship, too.
Virumandi, Subramnayapuram(our objections dont count, if you dismiss SMP, I can dismiss JWM too).

Irritating genre we have but they dont - so-called mass movies
Irritating genre they have but we dont - tere sang, teen love, stupid college movies

dhaanikki dheenkiki sari poyindi.
And as I said, I am not sure if you are exposed to the worst of bollywood at all - like do you know the name of the movie that released with a visually-challenged-in-real-life hero, that was essentially a mass-movie-types-but-set-in-designer-clothes-style-of-bollywood? (Talk of taking the worst of two worlds!)

Music - we are slowly losing out, yes.

[Plum]

Well, anyone who grew up in the 80's'd be astounded at Bollywood today. Who ever thought this was possible?
I can only hope that like the usual WWTBAM->KBC->K happening in that sequence, even such movie making which started in Hollywood decades ago, and which has started in Bollywood recently, will start in Tamil in near future.
(NOTE: Kerala preceded Bollywood here-ngaradhai naan solla kadamai pattirukkirEn!)

[complicateur]

Plum,
I think the fundamental difference is that they cater to people at different slabs in the Maslow hierarchy. But within their slabs both tend to slip into cliche's and generalize etc... The difference in Bollywood is that there seems to be some semblance of an overall creative vision at the least. Kollywood-la athu kooda illa. They are still allowing banality citing "market requirements" and such as an excuse.

[P_R]

PR, I dont think Abbas Tyrewallah can write a Paruthiveeran.
If you are talking nativity - he can't write. He has mentioned in an interview that the only city in the world he can really care about is Bombay - that too South Bombay. He was blunt about that admission.

If you are talking about 'stuff' - its not that he can't write PV, he won't :lol2:

[P_R]

The difference in Bollywood is that there seems to be some semblance of an overall creative vision at the least. Kollywood-la athu kooda illa. They are still allowing banality citing "market requirements" and such as an excuse.
:exactly:

idhai thaan ivvaLo nEram solla muyarchi paNNittu irundhEn

[Roshan]

[tscii:f163e1f755]
Jo misses National Award by a whisker! (http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14909040)

Jyothika has missed the National Awards by a whisker!

At the 55th National Film Awards for 2007, Jyothika was one of the front runner for her performance in Mozhi, along with Meera Jasmine for the Malayalam Ore Kadal and Umashree for the Kannada Gulabi.

One of the members of the jury noted Malayalam director Sibi Malayil said: “The best actress award was well fought till the end as the jury was divided. We had to choose between three brilliant performances enacted by Jyothika, Meera and Uma, finally Uma squeezed through.”

According to another source after seeing Jo’s outstanding performance in Mozhi, the members at the special screening gave a standing ovation. She was in contention for the award till the last round, when Umashree emerged triumphant.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

But I knew they will not chose one from Thamizh this time - as it was awarded last time. [/tscii:f163e1f755]

[Murali Srinivas]

If Jothika missed it by a whisker then Prakashraj got it by a whisker. From the happenings that had come out, the final round of the selection it seems was restricted to 4 contestants.

Prakashraj for KAnchivaram, Mohanlal for Paradesi, Mammootty for Ore Kadal and Akshay Khanna for some film [don't remember the name] were the ones. [There was no SRK or AK]. Akashya Khanna was the first to go out and it became a three way tussle. After some time it was the turn of Mammootty to exit.

Then it became a tussle between Lal and Prakash and it was decided to go for voting. Again as destiny would have it, it turned out to be a tie with both of them getting equal votes. So Chairaman's casting vote became the most powerful tool and he essayed it favouring Prakashraj, making him to win his first NA for best actor.[He won only the supporting actor award for Iruvar].

Regards

PS: Ore Kadal not only won the best Music Director award but also was awarded the best regional film in Malayalam.

[kid-glove]

Lack of talent- well, give it some time. As and when the industry has grown to an extent that financing, production and distribution of independent and/or offbeat cinema is possible, the talented writer/director/auteur will emerge, in numbers.
ennatha independent film movement. Opening ellAm nallA thAn irunthuthu, AnA thalaivar okAnthu oru 400 words padikka mAtEngurAru. "You are unseletted"-nu solli thaNNi theLichchu vittAlAvathu paravA illa, athayum seyyAmA remba tensan paNrAru
:lol:
kavalai padadinga...unga thiramaikku ariya vaippu varamala poidum.. :)

[Appu s]

Murali sir Thank you for the information :)

[P_R]

Who is the chairman ?

[Plum]

Yaar andha chairmaan?
Btw, sivaji's. 300th movie edhu? Ninga sonna thaan nambuvom :-)

[P_R]

Akshay Khanna for some film [don't remember the name

Akshaye Khanna for gandhi,my father - he played harilal gandhi - the son who had a troubled relationship with his father the mahatma

[P_R]

Yaar andha chairmaan?
Btw, sivaji's. 300th movie edhu? Ninga sonna thaan nambuvom :-)

Poopparikka varugirom is 288 (http://nadigarthilagam.com/Sivajimainc.htm)

All guest appearances in tamil 7 (http://nadigarthilagam.com/Sivajimainc.htm) and other languages 10 (http://nadigarthilagam.com/Sivajimainc.htm) are pre-Once more.

Total films: 288 + 17 = 305

Therefore 300th ==> 283 + 17 guests

283 rd is Once More + 17 guest roles==> 300th is Once More

[Querida]

:clap: Congratulations to the very talented Prakashraj :clap:

I usually don't admit that I have favourites, but Prakashraj is surely one of them.
Ever since I first saw him on "Kaiyalavu Manasu" as Gururangan
I have tried to follow his films, sometimes watching fluff just cause he had a minute role in the film. Whether he plays the hero, the villian, the adversary, the comedian, the father or the friend...always he leaves an impact :clap:

Memorable movies with him IMHO: Aasai, Iruvar, Kannathil Muthumittal, Daya, Mozhi, Ghilli, Velli thirai, Appu, Abiyum Naanum, Thiruvilayadal Arambam, Arai Enn 305-il Kadavul, S/O Mahalakshmi, Santhosh Subramaniam...even this one movie where the heroine's image appears in his eyes as he dies...can't recall the name of it..

...and of course as Vengadam in Kanchivaram :notworthy:

I have to watch Duet...I remember being annoyed at the "Anjali, Pushpanjali" song and not watching the movie properly...needs a revisit for sure.
:oops:

[Plum]

PR, for instance, he did a guest role in hindi version of paasamalar. This is not covered in 10 other lang films. So I'm not too sure

[Plum]

PR, for instance, he did a guest role in hindi version of paasamalar. This is not covered in 10 other lang guest role films. So I'm not too sure about the order or the complete veracity of that list.

And pillalu thechina is the telugu dubbing of the kannada movie of which kuzhandhaigl kanda is the tamil dubbing. It's like counting Thalapathi thrice for Rajni, one each for the tamil, telugu and Hindi versions!

[Thalafanz]

Jo misses National Award by a whisker! (http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14909040)

Jyothika has missed the National Awards by a whisker!


:D :D :D

[Plum]

PR, my periappa used to often say " you can but won't means you can't"!

[equanimus]

Let's take another department we own/have been owning - music.
There is loud kuthu paattu dominance in our industry. OTOS, i rarely see a "melliflous" duet - 94% club dance songs.. guruppa aadi paadraanga. Yet, even if i dont like the songs, they dont hurt my ears like our staple kuthu songs do.
Oh, I guess it's because you don't get to hear the worst of Hindi film music as much as that of Tamil film music! An ordinary low-profile film having a good song or two is very common in Tamil cinema. I don't think the same can be said of Hindi film music at all. Mithoons and Amit Trivedis are still offbeat as far as Hindi cinema goes. And look what the composers down south do in the thick of mainstream! Significant difference.

[Plum]

Let's take another department we own/have been owning - music.
There is loud kuthu paattu dominance in our industry. OTOS, i rarely see a "melliflous" duet - 94% club dance songs.. guruppa aadi paadraanga. Yet, even if i dont like the songs, they dont hurt my ears like our staple kuthu songs do.
Oh, I guess it's because you don't get to hear the worst of Hindi film music as much as that of Tamil film music! An ordinary low-profile film having a good song or two is very common in Tamil cinema. I don't think the same can be said of Hindi film music at all. Mithoons and Amit Trivedis are still offbeat as far as Hindi cinema goes. And look what the composers down south do in the thick of mainstream! Significant difference.
Wow! Equa, same point. Same goes for the movies also - nobody answered this - 10 movies released in the last 2 weeks in Hindi, including the JKR's nayagan equivalent - how many of these released in Chennai? How many of these people here know of?

[MADDY]

ok, u pit ur best and i'll pit my best - lets see who wins

my first choice for music - Rock on
gimme urs :P

[equanimus]

Then again, we agreed, for whatever reasons, that they cant make a paruthiveeran. I contend that neither Kashyap, nor Tyrewala, nor the Jab We met kid can write a paruthiveeran
The reason, as PR contended, is that they wouldn't want to! (Yes, I'm indeed picking on the mention of paruththivIran. :)) But seriously, this is carrying the nativity deal too far without ever wondering whether what we see in our films is authentic. People often don't seem to realise that a filmmaker like Ameer doesn't hail from a village (in fact, I'm willing to stick my neck out and conjecture that the only time he'd been to that village we see in the film is when he shot it!) when they make statements along the lines of "only a director like Ameer could have made such a film." And Sasikumar studied at a boarding school!

[Of course, I'm not saying that it's required for a filmmaker to be familiar or know the place beforehand, rather my point is about the hollowness in the argument that a Kashyap or an Ali can't make a film with as much nativity as Ameer.]

[Plum]

ok, u pit ur best and i'll pit my best - lets see who wins

my first choice for music - Rock on
gimme urs :P
Sakkarakatti :-)
(just kidding)

Actually, in music, the situation is reverse, the best in tamil is comparable to best in Hindi. But I feel the averages would be better in Tamil. This is the exact opposite of the movies situation.

[Plum]

Well, equa, what if I contend that Ammer/Sasikumar can make a JTYJN but "they wouldnt want to". There is a besant nagar populace that can be tapped right, like the South Mumbai genre in Hindi? But it it too miniscule to bet a movie on so why would boarding school educated Sasikumar make a movie of that sort, or even a Rockford?

The answer lies with your post - why does a boarding school educated director feel it safe to tap his rural roots, howsoever feeble roots?

What I find annoying is hiding away hindiwallahs' limitations under "why would they do it?" while simultaneously accusing tamilkaarans of "not being capable of what they havent attempted, lack of evidence be damned".

[MADDY]

Actually, in music, the situation is reverse, the best in tamil is comparable to best in Hindi. But I feel the averages would be better in Tamil. This is the exact opposite of the movies situation.

show me one tamil album in 2008 which can equal JTYJN or Jodha Akbar.......

[Plum]

vAraNam Ayiram. Now, you and I may not dig it but definitely, it is equivalent to JTYJN as far as appeal, aesthetics go. Rahman's genius cannot be held against Kollywood.
Actually, subtract Rahman from Bollywood and we'll talk :-)

[Plum]

Actually, give me an equivalent of naan kadavuL(music) in Hindi. VaippE illa, and therein lies a tale...

[Sarna]

Then again, we agreed, for whatever reasons, that they cant make a paruthiveeran. I contend that neither Kashyap, nor Tyrewala, nor the Jab We met kid can write a paruthiveeran
The reason, as PR contended, is that they wouldn't want to! (Yes, I'm indeed picking on the mention of paruththivIran. :)) But seriously, this is carrying the nativity deal too far without ever wondering whether what we see in our films is authentic. People often don't seem to realise that a filmmaker like Ameer doesn't hail from a village (in fact, I'm willing to stick my neck out and conjecture that the only time he'd been to that village we see in the film is when he shot it!) when they make statements along the lines of "only a director like Ameer could have made such a film." And Sasikumar studied at a boarding school!

[Of course, I'm not saying that it's required for a filmmaker to be familiar or know the place beforehand, rather my point is about the hollowness in the argument that a Kashyap or an Ali can't make a film with as much nativity as Ameer.]

nalla vElai... bracket'kulla post panneenga :) 1st para'va padichchittu, naan oru 20 line'ku reply type pannittEn :oops:

[equanimus]

Well, equa, what if I contend that Ammer/Sasikumar can make a JTYJN but "they wouldnt want to". There is a besant nagar populace that can be tapped right, like the South Mumbai genre in Hindi? But it it too miniscule to bet a movie on so why would boarding school educated Sasikumar make a movie of that sort, or even a Rockford?
Of course, I'm not arguing that they can't. Wasn't 'mounam pEsiyadhE' set in an urban milieu for instance? My question is the basis on which you argue that an Anurap Kashyap (or even an Imtiaz Ali) can't make a film rooted in nativity.

The answer lies with your post - why does a boarding school educated director feel it safe to tap his rural roots, howsoever feeble roots?
This is an interesting question. I've no issues whatsoever with conceding that the Tamil filmmakers are more predisposed to set their films in a more rooted milieu. There are other nuances at play here, but yes, one has to credit Tamil cinema for this.

What I find annoying is hiding away hindiwallahs' limitations under "why would they do it?" while simultaneously accusing tamilkaarans of "not being capable of what they havent attempted, lack of evidence be damned".
Plum, you got me wrong there. I was saying that they wouldn't do it simply because they're clearly capable (as I see it) of doing better!

[Plum]

Actually, musicals educate me on how authentic a rock album is Rock On - because as a film soundtrack, it doesnt appeal to me much, and the only reason I am not stating explicitly my dis-preference for it is the fear that it may have explored rock elements and aesthetics beautifully - and I am certainly not musical enough to know that.

[MADDY]

vAraNam Ayiram. Now, you and I may not dig it but definitely, it is equivalent to JTYJN as far as appeal, aesthetics go. Rahman's genius cannot be held against Kollywood.
Actually, subtract Rahman from Bollywood and we'll talk :-)

:shock: i never knew u hated rahman so much :P :wave:

[Plum]

vAraNam Ayiram. Now, you and I may not dig it but definitely, it is equivalent to JTYJN as far as appeal, aesthetics go. Rahman's genius cannot be held against Kollywood.
Actually, subtract Rahman from Bollywood and we'll talk :-)

:shock: i never knew u hated rahman so much :P :wave:Yov, Rahman equation-la irundhA, enga side argument weak aavumnu sonnA, thappA purinjikkarInga :(

[equanimus]

ok, u pit ur best and i'll pit my best - lets see who wins

my first choice for music - Rock on
gimme urs :P
Maddy,
Oh, like that'A? I thought all the songs were passable, except the two female solos ("yeh tumhari meri baatein" and "phir dekhiye") which I really like. Can't say I'm a fan.

[Plum]

What I feel is whatever Bolly is doing now is limited to multiplex movies. There is the odd Love Aaj Kal breaking that barrier but most of the path-breaking movies quoted are "out of mainstream". A JTYJN, well I dont want that sort in tamil, I dont consider it a big loss. Irundha nashtamillai, illainalum nashtamillai.
The only reason to lament tamil viz-a-viz Hindi is the absence of the infrastructure for movies that are doomed to fail but can still release subsidised by other factors(Mithya, Maqbool...)

Luck By Chance - Oh idhellAm dhaan great movies of Bollywood-nA, thanks but no thanks

[equanimus]

The only reason to lament tamil viz-a-viz Hindi is the absence of the infrastructure for movies that are doomed to fail but can still release subsidised by other factors(Mithya, Maqbool...)
But this is already quite strong in Hindi cinema, Plum. Their cinema has not penetrated to the heartlands, I agree, but they are making a lot of films already. To put it differently, it's hard to keep them aside and carry the discussion forward.

[Plum]

adhu sari. I think in terms of 'relative's, Malayalam of 80's did a lot more with lot less resources than what bollywood is doing now.
(Thats like the "Australian Defence" - oh yeah tendulkar is great but "mere paas bradman hai!" :-) )

[equanimus]

Yes, I think I'd agree (despite my limited exposure to '80s Malayalam cinema), and clearly the enormous gap between that one and Tamil cinema (of any time) is not a matter of debate!

[directhit]

lets start from 2008/2009 and list out the best movies of KW/BW. though i am in favor of the hindi movies, i feel tamil hasn't done too bad either
2008
Best of Hindi:
A Wednesday
Mumbai Meri Jaan
Jaane Tu... Ya Jaane Na
Aamir
Dasvidaniya
Dostana
Ghajini
Oye Lucky! Lucky Oye!
Jodhaa Akbar
Tahaan (havent seen this)
Mithya (i personally didnt like this but seems to be a regular in the critics list :P)

Tamil:

Dasavathaaram
Subramaniyapuram
Anjathey
Santosh Subramaniam (prefer to say Bommarillu though :|)
Saroja
Vaaranam Aayiram
Abhiyum Naanum
Poi Solla Porom (it was inferior/superior to its original is another discussion)
Poo
(blasphemy alert :P) Yaaradi Nee Mohini - but 2007 hindi list la JWM irukkumpodhu thappillaingaren

Since hindi doesnt have the mass masala genre, am not bringing in the 'popular' movies of tamil :P (habbaada thappichom)

2009:
Dev.D
Kaminey (shudnt be in the list IMO, infact its like a tamil regular masala fare though with superior acting/dialogues)
Luck by Chance (compli had a rotfl icon for this - innum pakala)
13B
New York
Love Aaj Kal (going by Maddy's word :P)
99 (innum pakalai)

Vennila Kabadi Kuzhu
Naan Kadavul
Yavarum Nalam
Kanchivaram (idha endha year la podaradhu therla :P)
Naadodigal
Pasanga

though a movie by movie comparison is not possible, off late there has been a refreshing change in the stories and presentation here. kuthu paatu/hero-heroine intro song/thani comedy track/kathi pesum villain mattum dhaan b/c centre kku pudikumgaradhu kuranjittu varadhu. good signs!

[directhit]

naan list pottale indha thread silent ayidudhu :? :lol:

[equanimus]

nalla vElai... bracket'kulla post panneenga :) 1st para'va padichchittu, naan oru 20 line'ku reply type pannittEn :oops:
Sarna,
nInga enna sollaNumnu nenachchIngannu enakkup puriyudhu, and I hope the additional note clarifies my stand. But as a separate matter, I do think the point that Ameer is city-bred is crucial with respect to 'paruththivIran.' Portraying the hinterlands as some sort of bozoland where things seldom "make sense" is a familiar and comforting narrative to the urban eye. And 'paruththivIran' is a film which relishes doing exactly that.

[joe]

naan list pottale indha thread silent ayidudhu :? :lol:

Neenga list pannura Tamil movies Maddy-kku pidichirukkaNum ..athaan condition. :)

[Plum]

From your list, Directhit, one thing is clear - the best actor for 2008 is likely to come from outside bollywood and kollywood!

Only contenders:
Abhay Deol - Dev D
Surya - VaaraNam Aayiram, considering how NA committees work, he has a decent chance!
Prakash Raj - Abhiyum Naanum - same as above
Ranbir Shorey - Mithya

Why dont you list out Malayalam movies for 2008 first?
Parindhu?(Mammootty)

[directhit]

malayalam la NA list poda onnum illai :lol: (there was a film for Lal - Aakashagopuram, dont have much info on that)

apart from that, decent (watchable) movies have been very few
2008

Twenty 20
Cycle
Calcutta News (average by Blessy's calibre)
Thirakkatha (yet to watch - is being dubbed to tamil as well)
Innathe chinthavishayam (usual sathyan anthikad movie)
Veruthe Oru bharya (had some good reviews)

Parundhu was usual masala movie, Roudram was far better that way

2009
2 Harihar Nagar
Passenger
Bhramaram (heard Lal was awesome in this, movie was average)


From your list, Directhit, one thing is clear - the best actor for 2008 is likely to come from outside bollywood and kollywood!

Only contenders:
Abhay Deol - Dev D he should get it if not Kamal for Dasa
Surya - VaaraNam Aayiram, considering how NA committees work, he has a decent chance! :o :shock:
Prakash Raj - Abhiyum Naanum - same as above nah, he was good thts it IMO
Ranbir Shorey - Mithya

Why dont you list out Malayalam movies for 2008 first?
Parindhu?(Mammootty)

Target would be 2009 - movie in my siggy :smokesmirk:

[Sarna]

nalla vElai... bracket'kulla post panneenga :) 1st para'va padichchittu, naan oru 20 line'ku reply type pannittEn :oops:
Sarna,
nInga enna sollaNumnu nenachchIngannu enakkup puriyudhu, and I hope the additional note clarifies my stand.

:)


But as a separate matter, I do think the point that Ameer is city-bred is crucial with respect to 'paruththivIran.' Portraying the hinterlands as some sort of bozoland where things seldom "make sense" is a familiar and comforting narrative to the urban eye. And 'paruththivIran' is a film which relishes doing exactly that.
ameer city kaarar'ndradhaaladhaan city'ku appeal aagura maadhiri oru graamaththu padaththa kudukka mudinjadhunu solreengala ?

ps :- checking my perception level :oops:

[equanimus]

ameer city kaarar'ndradhaaladhaan city'ku appeal aagura maadhiri oru graamaththu padaththa kudukka mudinjadhunu solreengala ?
No! The film was a big hit across all regions after all! That was a criticism on my part about the way the film portrays the hinterland as a cheerfully senseless place ("maNNin manam" if you will). I'm not suggesting that the people from the rural side would have actually been offended by this film. en karuththai sonnEn.

[kid-glove]

I agree about overt indulgence on lines of "maNNin manam", and "maNNin maindan" in Tamil cinema. They'd have to focus a lot more on 'cinematic vision' as said. But one feels this quality appeals to an average outsider, this will be of great interest/pertinence than NRI-based/urbanized Bolly films. Hindi Cinema has got its share of worlds, namely Blue Umbrella, Manorama Six feet under, Omkara, Maqbool, Welcome to Sajjanpur, Dharm, Eklavya, Iqbal, Matrubhoomi, etc. But we don't really have enough exposure to the landscapes, the 'indias' if you will, we tend to treat them a lot differently. Definitely not bother about its 'authenticity'*. We only know by hearsay, and take it for granted. Sometimes we are prepared to neglect and derive merits of the narrative, and stylistics.

*There is even a Englishindi film, Hazaaron Khwaishein Aisi.

[crajkumar_be]

Oh, I guess it's because you don't get to hear the worst of Hindi film music as much as that of Tamil film music!

Kood kostin but i very much doubt if anything will sound worse than our worst kuthu paattus.



An ordinary low-profile film having a good song or two is very common in Tamil cinema. I don't think the same can be said of Hindi film music at all. Mithoons and Amit Trivedis are still offbeat as far as Hindi cinema goes. And look what the composers down south do in the thick of mainstream! Significant difference.
Amaam amaam, their mainstream is Pritam's inspired club numbers and group dances. Naama nalla variety and depth-a porom, relatively. yeah we still have the upper hand but naan solla vandhadhu naama ushaara irukkanum.
Indha nelamaikke naama vandhirukka koodadhu-ngaren

Our best against their best vandudhunna..
There will not be any answer to Naan Kadavul, i say!

[MADDY]

Our best against their best vandudhunna..
There will not be any answer to Naan Kadavul, i say!

Delhi-6, DevD

[joe]

என்னைப்பொறுத்தவரை தமிழில் இந்த படத்தையொத்த படம் இந்தியில் வந்திருக்கிறதா ,இந்த இந்தி படத்தையொத்த தமிழ் படம் வந்திருக்கிறதா ? என்ற கேள்விகள் அபத்தமானவை .ஒரே குடியரசின் கீழிருந்தாலும் இந்தியா முழுவதும் ஒரே கலாச்சாரம் இல்லை .வட இந்திய கலாச்சாரதிற்கு தமிழ் கலாச்சாரத்தை விட பாகிஸ்தான் கலாச்சாரமே நெருக்கமானது .இந்நிலையில் ஒரே மாதிரி படங்கள் தமிழிலும் இந்தியிலும் வர வேண்டும் என நினைப்பதே பொருத்தமற்றது ..விதிவிலக்குகள் உண்டு .

எனது புரிதலின் படி தமிழகத்தில் உள்ள பெருநகரங்கள் ,நகரங்களின் என்ணிக்கையை விட இந்தி சினிமா பரப்பில் இருக்கும் பெருநகரங்கள் ,நகரங்கள் எண்ணிக்கை குறைந்தது 10 மடங்கு அதிகம் ..எனவே இந்தி சினிமாவைப் பொறுத்தவரை பெருநகரங்கள் ,நகரங்கள் இரண்டையும் குறி வைத்தாலே இந்தி சினிமா வருவாயில் 95% வந்து விடும் .எனவே நகரம் சாராத பார்வையாளர்களைப் பற்றி அவர்கள் பெரிதாக அலட்டிக்கொள்ள தேவையில்லை ..தமிழில் சமீபத்துக்கு முந்திய காலம் வரை இந்த போக்கு இல்லை .பெருநகரங்கள் ,நகரங்களைத் தாண்டிய சிறுநகர ,கிராம மக்களும் தமிழ் சினிமாவின் நேரடி நுகர்வோரில் குறிப்பிடத்தக்க பங்கு வகிப்பது கண்கூடு ..சமீபத்திய பெருநகர பல்திரை அரங்குகள் இந்த போக்கை மாற்றி வருகின்றன என்றாலும் இந்தி சினிமா இந்த விடயத்தில் ஏற்கனவே அடைந்து விட்ட நிலையை தமிழ் சினிமா வர்த்தகம் இன்னும் அடையவில்லை .

இந்த பின்னணியோடு ,கலாச்சார ,மரபு சார்ந்த வேறுபாடுகளும் எடுக்கப்படும் சினிமாவில் தாக்கத்தை கொண்டுள்ளன .இதற்கு ஒரு படி மேல் இந்தி அல்லாத சினிமா பார்வையாளர்களுக்கு இந்தி சினிமா குறித்து உள்ள குறைந்த பட்ச அறிவு ,வெறும் இந்தி சினிமா பார்வையாளர்களுக்கு இந்தி அல்லாத பிற தேசிய மொழி படங்கள் பற்றி ஏறத்தாழ சுத்தமாகவே கிடையாது எனலாம் ..இப்போது rediff இணையத்தளத்தில் தேசிய விருதுகள் பற்றிய செய்தியில் பின்னூட்டமிட்ட வட இந்தியர் ஒருவர் கேட்டது.."காஞ்சீவரம் எந்த இந்தி படத்தின் ரீமேக்?" .காஞ்சீவரம் என்பது தமிழகத்தில் உள்ள ஒரு ஊரின் பெயர் என்பதோ ,இந்த படம் அந்த நகரின் புகழ் பெற்ற தொழிலான பட்டு நெசவை பின்புலமாக கொண்டது என்பதோ தெரியாமலிருப்பது கூட வியப்பில்லை ..ஆனால் அவர் கேள்வியில் தொக்கி நிற்பது தமிழ் சினிமா பற்றிய அறியாமையில் விளைந்த ஒரு ஏளனம் ..அவரைப் பொறுத்தவரை தமிழ் சினிமா என்பது ஏதோ இந்தி சினிமாக்களை காப்பியடிக்கும் ஒரு சினிமா பிரிவு என்பதாகத்தானிருக்கிறது .. காஞ்சீவரத்தை கூட அப்படியே இந்தியில் ரீமேக் பண்ண முடியுமா என தெரியவில்லை ..காஞ்சீபுரத்துக்கு பதில் பனாரஸ் என தலைப்பிட்டு நிறைய மாற்றித் தான் எடுக்க வேண்டும்.

[complicateur]

ஜோ,
நாங்கள் வாதிடுவது நுகர்வோரைப் பற்றியல்ல. நுகர்வோரை சுட்டிக் காட்டியே அவர்களுக்கு தரக் குறைவான திரைப்படங்களை வழங்கும் ஒரு திரைப்படத் துறையை பற்றி. பம்பாயில் படைப்பாளிகள் அதிகமாக அவர்களது படைப்புகளை உண்மையாகச் சித்தரிக்கிறார்கள் என்பதே வாதம். சில நாட்களுக்கு முன் 'லக்' என்ற ஹிந்தி திரைப்படத்தைப் பார்க்கும் துர்பாக்கியம் எனக்கு நேர்ந்தது. அதில் கூட இயக்குனர் ஏதோ சொல்ல முற்பட்டிருக்கிறார். ஒரு மிக மோசமான திரைப்படத்தில் கூட படைப்பின் உண்மை என்று ஒன்று இருக்கிறது.
நமது திரைப்படங்களில் சில சமயங்களில் கதையை விடுங்கள், சில சமயம் கட்சிக்கு கட்சியே தொடர்பு இல்லாத அளவுக்கு திரைக்கதை அமைக்கப் படுவது வருந்தத்தக்கது என்பதே வாதம். "சார் மதுரை சார்ந்த சப்ஜெட் நல்லா போவுது சார். அதை எடுக்கலாம்..." என்று கதை விவாதத்தை தொடங்கும் ஆட்களே அதிகம். இவர்கள் மிகவும் இரண்டு காரணங்களுக்கு ஆபத்தானவர்கள். ஒன்று, பருத்திவீரனோ, வெண்ணிலா கபடிக் குழுவோ, சுப்ரமணிபுரமோ ஏன் வெற்றி பெற்றன என்பதை சூடு போட்டு ஒப்பிக்க வைத்தால் கூட புரியாதவர்கள். இரண்டு, மோசமான படத்தை எடுத்துவிட்டு கிராம புற மக்கள் ரசிப்பதற்கு எடுத்தது என்று அவர்களது அறிவையும் ஒரு சேர இழிவு படுத்துவார்கள். தேர்ந்தெடுக்கும் கதைக்களத்தின் அல்லது கதாபாத்திரத்தின் நுண் இயல்புகளை உணர்ந்தால் உங்கள் பின்புலத்தை அறியாதவர்களிடமும் உங்கள் உலக உண்மைகளை கொண்டு செல்ல முடியும். அத்தகைய ஆட்கள் திரண்டு வரும் வரையில் (அல்லது எழுதத் தொடங்கும் வரையில்) that will be thamizh cinema for you.

[joe]

complicateur,
பெரும்பாலும் ஒத்துக்கொள்கிறேன் ..ஆனால் ஒரேடியாக தமிழ்சினிமாவின் நிலைக்கு நுகர்வோர் காரணமல்ல என்று சொல்லி விட முடியாது .

இதே தமிழ் சினிமா ரசிகர்கள் தானே இன்னின்ன அருமையான படங்களை வெற்றி பெற வைத்தார்கள் என்னும் வாதம் வரும் போது என்னுடைய பதில் .. நல்ல படங்களை ஆதரிப்பது எவ்வளவு முக்கியமோ ,அதை விட மோசமான படங்களை நிராகரிப்பது அதை விட முக்கியம் .

[equanimus]

I agree about overt indulgence on lines of "maNNin manam", and "maNNin maindan" in Tamil cinema. They'd have to focus a lot more on 'cinematic vision' as said.
Just to clarify, my complaint is not regarding being indulgent about "maNNin maNam," but about taking the most commonplace stereotypes and celebrating it in some sense. To illustrate my point, 'subramaNiyapuram' works because the audience knows its protagonists are naive albeit brave idiots, and at some level, they "like" it that way (i.e., they find it "comforting"). And the film sincerely plays to this notion, constantly giving them payoffs for buying into the idea. ("enakku appave theriyum ippadi Agumunnu!") There is virtually nothing in the film that would disturb the audience's perception. (In this light, I hope no one would argue to the effect that Kamal's end in 'mUnRAm piRai' is not what the audience wants, but unfortunately gets!)

I think whatever I've said above applies ditto to 'paruththivIran' too. What are the film's insights about the place it's set in? What is the kind of power politics that works there? What do Veeran and his uncle actually do? What is the social standing of that friend of Kazhuva Servai who gets hit by Veeran just like it doesn't matter? It is all so lazily written that it can't stop picking the most beaten-to-death relationship cliches. Most characters's primary role is to respond to these cliches. Veeran hits that guy because he says that he'll kill his chiththappA. Some scenes later, he hits Muthazhagu for the same reason. Muthazhagu can never get enough of Veeran. And so on.

P.S.: Happened to watch parts of the film again recently when it was on television and disliked it all the more. And the irony-intended scenes like the one where Priya Mani asks Saravanan to stand up in a rude manner only to ask for his AsirvAdham (duh!) were so annoying. Phew, such pedestrian writing!

[kid-glove]

Sorry I wasn't referring/replying to your post. But I just picked on it.


It is all so lazily written that it can't stop picking the most beaten-to-death relationship cliches. Most characters's primary role is to these cliches.

I'm so sorry that you had to repeat it again. I understand and share that view, about the film.

[equanimus]

Compli,
Great post!

சில நாட்களுக்கு முன் 'லக்' என்ற ஹிந்தி திரைப்படத்தைப் பார்க்கும் துர்பாக்கியம் எனக்கு நேர்ந்தது. அதில் கூட இயக்குனர் ஏதோ சொல்ல முற்பட்டிருக்கிறார். ஒரு மிக மோசமான திரைப்படத்தில் கூட படைப்பின் உண்மை என்று ஒன்று இருக்கிறது.
நமது திரைப்படங்களில் சில சமயங்களில் கதையை விடுங்கள், சில சமயம் கட்சிக்கு கட்சியே தொடர்பு இல்லாத அளவுக்கு திரைக்கதை அமைக்கப் படுவது வருந்தத்தக்கது என்பதே வாதம். "சார் மதுரை சார்ந்த சப்ஜெட் நல்லா போவுது சார். அதை எடுக்கலாம்..." என்று கதை விவாதத்தை தொடங்கும் ஆட்களே அதிகம்.
This is a great point. And I so get what you mean! Before this point gets lost in details and gives way to a rigorous comparison between the number of filmmakers who have artistic vision etc. in Hindi as compared to Tamil, let's look at the larger point. A good filmmaker always has some sort of "artitistic ambition" (using the word loosely here). What can one say of a filmmaker like Sasi who plunged into colour coding in a big way with 'Poo?' His last last two films were Roja Koottam and Dishyum! (My point is of course that they looked and sounded nothing like his last film, but as an aside, one has to note that if you actually sit and watch these films, you'll indeed see Sasi's signature all over.) What made him adopt this new idiom?

[Plum]

equa, how do you identify artistic ambition from a movie or a set of movies by a film-maker?
Now, this is something I really want to understand - please expand on this with examples and illustrations :-)

[kid-glove]

plunged into colour coding in a big way with 'Poo?'......What made him adopt this new idiom?

Played around with Final Cut or Adode premier or AVID...:yessir:

[equanimus]

Sorry I wasn't referring/replying to your post. But I just picked on it.
Oh, never mind. I had to get it out of my system!

[Sarna]

"சார் மதுரை சார்ந்த சப்ஜெட் நல்லா போவுது சார். அதை எடுக்கலாம்..." என்று கதை விவாதத்தை தொடங்கும் ஆட்களே அதிகம். இவர்கள் மிகவும் இரண்டு காரணங்களுக்கு ஆபத்தானவர்கள். ஒன்று, பருத்திவீரனோ, வெண்ணிலா கபடிக் குழுவோ, சுப்ரமணிபுரமோ ஏன் வெற்றி பெற்றன என்பதை சூடு போட்டு ஒப்பிக்க வைத்தால் கூட புரியாதவர்கள். இரண்டு, மோசமான படத்தை எடுத்துவிட்டு கிராம புற மக்கள் ரசிப்பதற்கு எடுத்தது என்று அவர்களது அறிவையும் ஒரு சேர இழிவு படுத்துவார்கள்.

இதுபோன்ற dangerous fellowக்களின் எண்ணிக்கை நமது தமிழ்சினிமாவில் சிறிது அதிகம்தான் :( ஒப்புக்கொள்ளவேண்டிய உண்மை :oops:

அரசியல் போல் சினிமாவும் கொடியவர்கள் கையில் முழுமையாக சிக்கிக்கொள்ளுமோ என்ற அச்சமும் இருக்கிறது.

[complicateur]

equa, how do you identify artistic ambition from a movie or a set of movies by a film-maker?
Now, this is something I really want to understand - please expand on this with examples and illustrations :-)
This much I know. Posing a question like this is a surefire way of not getting a reply from equanimus! :P


இதுபோன்ற dangerous fellowக்களின் எண்ணிக்கை
எனது சொல்லாக்கம் சரியில்லை என்ற போதும் புரிந்துகொண்டமைக்கு நன்றி !


அரசியல் போல் சினிமாவும் கொடியவர்கள் கையில் முழுமையாக சிக்கிக்கொள்ளுமோ என்ற அச்சமும் இருக்கிறது.
இவர்கள் கொடியவர்கள் அல்லவே. கோழைகள். முன்பு செய்ததை ஒரு சதவிகிதம் மெருகேற்றினால் போதும் என்று நினைப்பவர்கள். ஒருவனுக்கு கிடைத்த வெற்றி தனக்கு கிடைக்கவில்லை என்று அங்கலாய்ப்பவர்கள். அவர்களின் மானசீக விப்ராந்தியை மக்கள் அறிவுத் திறன் பின்னால் ஒளித்து வைக்கிறார்கள். எல்லா வணிக ரீதியான துறைகளில் இத்தகயோரைக் காணலாம். திரையுலகில் சற்று அப்பட்டமாக அவ்வளவே.
தமிழ் திரையுலகில் எழுத்துத் திறமை இருக்கிறதா என்ற கேள்விக்கும் இடம் இருக்கிறது. திரைப்படம் என்பது தொழில்நுட்பமும் கூட. அதைப் படித்தவர்கள் அதைக் கையாள்வதற்கும் கல்லாதவர்கள் கையாளும் முறைக்கும் பல வித்த்யாசங்கள் உள்ளன. அதைக் கல்லாதவர்கள் திறமை இருந்தால் ஓரிரு படங்களில் தேர்ச்சி பெறுவதைக் காணலாம். திறமை இல்லாத பட்சத்தில் தான் எதைக் கண்டார்களோ அதையே மறுபடியும் ஒப்பிபார்கள் கிளிப்பிள்ளைகளாக. இவர்களும் எல்லாத் துறைகளில் இருப்பார்கள். இதில் "எனால் இது தான் முடியும்" என்று உணர்ந்தவர்கள் உள்ளனர். மற்றவர்களுக்கு மேற்கூறிய கோழைகள் ஒரு ஊன்றுகோலகவே இருப்பார்கள். முட்டைக்கும் கொழிக்கும் மாற்றி மாற்றி விரல் காட்டிக் கொண்டு நாமும் காத்துக் கொண்டிருப்போம், உண்மையான திறமை வெளிப்படுவதற்கு.


What can one say of a filmmaker like Sasi who plunged into colour coding in a big way with 'Poo?' What made him adopt this new idiom?
I haven't seen Poo. Was the colour coding important in anyway to the telling of the story? Or are you suggesting that he was hitching his story to the technical bandwagon unnecessarily.

[Sarna]

Deepauk, தங்களுடைய ஆதங்கம் எனக்கு புரிகிறது. உங்களுடைய கருத்தை முழுமனதாக ஆமோதிக்கிறேன் .

PS1 : எனது ஆதங்கம் வேறு.... தமிழ்த் திரையுலகில் வரும் ஓரிரு நல்லப்படங்களையும்(சிறந்த) தூற்றிவிட்டு ஹிந்தி சினிமாவில் வரும் சராசரி படத்தைக் கூட வானளவு புகழ்வதைத் தான் என்னால் ஜீரணிக்கமுடியவில்லை :oops:

PS2 : தாங்கள் கூரியதுபோல்"கோழை" என்பது தான் சரியானச் சொல். அவர்களை அரசியல்வ்யாதிகளுடன் ஒப்பிட்டு பெரும் தவறைச் செய்து விட்டேனோ :? :oops:

[equanimus]

equa, how do you identify artistic ambition from a movie or a set of movies by a film-maker?
Now, this is something I really want to understand - please expand on this with examples and illustrations :-)
Plum,
பதிலே இல்லாத கேள்வியா பாத்துக் கேட்டுட்டீங்க!

Anyway, let me partially hijack this to reevaluate some of my own reactions to films. The thing I refer to as ambition is how a film tells its story and why it tells it the way it does. The film's ambition is in that. (Duh!) And it's my contention that an artist's signature finds its way to all his works.

First, the point about disturbing the audience perception. I use "disturb" in a philosophical sense here. If a film doesn't "disturb" you, what's good about watching it? That which doesn't disturb is clearly proceeding on predictable lines. Of course, the disturbance itself is different for different people. For instance, to me, Muthazhagu's death in 'Paruthiveeran' would have been a real disturbance if it was shown as whimsical as life would have it (or to put it more correctly, as I see life). But the way the film tells it, it was entirely "forgettable" in my case once I came out of the theatre (figuratively speaking, my forgetting it ties in with the film's attempt to explain it away).

Some of my friends often get flustered by all this and ask me why I can't simply take the end (or generally speaking, any event in a film) for what it is. Film critic Roger Ebert has this principle which he calls the Ebert's law: "A movie is not about what it is about. It is about how it is about it." I tweak this law and use it to argue that we as the audience should respond to how something happens in a story and why it happens so, not to what happens in the story.

[Ok, this ramble also reminded me of something related. I often wonder at the way people insist on the "logic" of a film (at least they go about using that word) and spend all their time questioning whether the happenings in a film is believable or not! And this point is so often taken to absurd levels by some of our film critics, which is when you get to hear things like a "logical screenplay" -- what does that even mean?! Hitchcock derisiviely called such people as "the plausibles." Incidentally he also confessed that he always wanted to impress them despite his contempt for such criticisms! I don't think there's a better position than this with respect to nitpicking on the plot. The artist tries his best to make the proceedings look plausible, but that effort is not at all the point of the film.]

Of course, these are all afterthoughts. I'm merely explaining my reaction.

[Appu s]

PS1 : எனது ஆதங்கம் வேறு.... தமிழ்த் திரையுலகில் வரும் ஓரிரு நல்லப்படங்களையும்(சிறந்த) தூற்றிவிட்டு ஹிந்தி சினிமாவில் வரும் சராசரி படத்தைக் கூட வானளவு புகழ்வதைத் தான் என்னால் ஜீரணிக்கமுடியவில்லை :oops:


:banghead: :banghead:

[equanimus]

I haven't seen Poo. Was the colour coding important in anyway to the telling of the story? Or are you suggesting that he was hitching his story to the technical bandwagon unnecessarily.
Compli,
Well, if it is indeed the former case, I don't understand why he never thought of making strong use of colours in any of his earlier films. And my grouse is not that Sasi jumped into the bandwagon "unnecessarily" but so thoughtlessly. This is where I find someone like Mysskin very exciting because he's doing his own thing, and not following some trend just because it's in vogue or everyone else is doing it.

[Plum]

Adhu sari. How does anyone identify artistic ambition in Luck, adhu dhaan enakku puriyalai. Baradwaj Rangan does it often - but it seems to be a random function of his mood than inherent merits in the said movie.

[equanimus]

Adhu sari. How does anyone identify artistic ambition in Luck, adhu dhaan enakku puriyalai. Baradwaj Rangan does it often - but it seems to be a random function of his mood than inherent merits in the said movie.
padam pArkkala, so can't comment. But I don't think Complicateur is suggesting that the film is passable, but that even in such a bad film, there's some kind of "voice." If the argument is that Perarasu's films too have a distinct voice, I'd not disagree at all.

[Plum]

yeah, equa, I get that Compli is suggesting not that it is passable but some vision is there. And I say that is worse :-)

Enakku idhu therinjE aagaNum. Enna methodology use paNNi ipdi conculde pandreenga?

[complicateur]

If the argument is that Perarasu's films too have a distinct voice, I'd not disagree at all.
Yes. But is it his? It is a sort of borrowed voice. Not that there is anything wrong with it of course. I find Perarasu's honesty acceptable. He is one of the "ennAla ithu thAn mudiyum" people I mentioned in my earlier post. They aren't really an issue.


Enakku idhu therinjE aagaNum. Enna methodology use paNNi ipdi conculde pandreenga?
There isnt any methodology in specific. What I took away from Luck was "yEthO try paNNirukkAnga. pAvam execute paNNa mudiyala". The difference is when I watch some local movies I dont even feel like the director is trying. That is it.

[Plum]

compli, inge dhaan konjam idikkudhu. Luck is so obviously an attempted indianisation of some hollywood movie(?) so obviously "edho try paNNi irukkAnga". How is that a vision?
How does it make it better than thirupachi?

I think this is where I somehow feel, sarNA has a point. I am all with you when you praise a Maqbool and even Dev D(though I couldnt appreciate it). But I dont think the averageg bolly movie has any great vision going for it - trying to replicate a DVD they saw, yes. Pointless rambling, yes. This is on the Luck types

I dont buy the Luck By Chances as well.

[app_engine]

http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=513018&disdate=9/9/2009

Mammootty concedes many things (in favor of TF)

1. TF gets huge sale val in KL
2. TF technically superior over other lang
3. MF getting less realistic while TF the other way around

[Vivasaayi]

http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=513018&disdate=9/9/2009

Mammootty concedes many things (in favor of TF)

1. TF gets huge sale val in KL
2. TF technically superior over other lang
3. MF getting less realistic while TF the other way around

avaraa sollala...they made his answer that way...

yes or no questions kekurainga interviewla :lol:

[kid-glove]

http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=513018&disdate=9/9/2009

Mammootty concedes many things (in favor of TF)

1. TF gets huge sale val in KL
2. TF technically superior over other lang
3. MF getting less realistic while TF the other way around

avaraa sollala...they made his answer that way...

yes or no questions kekurainga interviewla :lol:

yes :x

[Vivasaayi]

Ive heard abt the "gnana cherukku" of ammooty..it seems he is not humble like lal..

wht if he had answered "evan sonnadhu"

kekurainga paru kelviya....kooruketta kuppanuga

[Murali Srinivas]

<Aside>

Plum,

I saw it in another thread also about your query on the 300th film of NR and Prabhu answering you there, like he has done it here. In actual terms it is very difficult to pinpoint the 300th movie because certain movies where he he had done guest roles are not included in the list in the chronlogical order whereas certain films have found place.

For eg, the film that you mentioned "Kuzhaindhaigal Kanda Kudiyarasu" and movies like Cinema Paithiyam, Natchathiram and Uruvangal Maralaam are not included in the chronlogical order whereas Thaye Unakkaaga and Dharthi are included.

But for calculation purposes they have zeroed on Once More as the 300th movie and logic is as Prabhu explained.

<end Aside>

Regards

PS: 1.Thanks Appu but the credit goes to Malayalam press who do a clinical job when it comes to such issues.

2. Vig, it is very sad that you pass on such comments about stalwarts without knowing the exact nature of them. Mammootty is one person who is so straightforward that he will not hesitate to call a spade a spade. He always speaks his mind and he will say it in the face even if the person happens to be the CM of Kerala. If such a nature is called as serukku, then it cannot be helped.

[Vivasaayi]

Murali sir,

Well,I was mentioning it in a positive tone...we say ilayaraja,kamal haasan has that "gnana serukku" or "vidhya garvam"

that was not to degrade them...aint it!

What I menat was mammooty is not a person who was known for being false "humbleness" or false "courtesy"

[Murali Srinivas]

Thanks Vig for the clarification, I understand.

Regards

[directhit]

Ive heard abt the "gnana cherukku" of mammooty..it seems he is not humble like lal..

wht if he had answered "evan sonnadhu"

kekurainga paru kelviya....kooruketta kuppanuga :lol: vivs - as Murali sir rightly said his interviews are so straight forward. Bad that he didnt answer that way to this interviewer. Also on the topic of Lal not answering that way, you should have watched an asianet interview of Lal (i guess last Onam or so). It was a very hostile interview :P if i get a link wud pm u. anyways I have seen Mammootty share the same thoughts in his other better interviews as well. Whatever he has said is true, aint it?

[joe]

IMO ,Mamooty is broad minded and with much knowledge.

[groucho070]

He studied law or something, didn't he? I've seen couple of interviews (including one he did in Singapore right after Talabathi) and he comes across as very straight forward but diplomatic at the same time. I recall him being a bit embarassed about having to dance in Talabathi "Naanum ippadi, ippadi (gestures with hand) aduneen" :lol:

[Vivasaayi]

Ive heard abt the "gnana cherukku" of mammooty..it seems he is not humble like lal..

wht if he had answered "evan sonnadhu"

kekurainga paru kelviya....kooruketta kuppanuga :lol: vivs - as Murali sir rightly said his interviews are so straight forward. Bad that he didnt answer that way to this interviewer. Also on the topic of Lal not answering that way, you should have watched an asianet interview of Lal (i guess last Onam or so). It was a very hostile interview :P if i get a link wud pm u. anyways I have seen Mammootty share the same thoughts in his other better interviews as well. Whatever he has said is true, aint it?

We know what happened in IFFI :) I dont think anyone from south would have mouthed their views this frankly before the entire bollywood.

and I ve heard about mammooty opining frankly about mithun chakroborty...

[directhit]

He studied law or something, didn't he? yes, :D


We know what happened in IFFI :) I dont think anyone from south would have mouthed their views this frankly before the entire bollywood.

and also I ve heard about mammooty opining frankly about mithun chakroborty... :yes: and i wish he does it again in another much bigger stage :wink: