Sindhanai Selvar Dr.Kamal HaasaR - favourite movies,scenes 2

[crajkumar_be]

Continuing from here (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=8564&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1470)


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Discuss....

[groucho070]

:bluejump: Anggey, Oru powerful statement ethachum kodutthu intha thread arambichirukalamey, CR. But its okay, the show must go on...

[NOV]

Not Aboorva Sagodharargal pls, instead put Anbe Sivam

[crajkumar_be]

:bluejump: Anggey, Oru powerful statement ethachum kodutthu intha thread arambichirukalamey, CR. But its okay, the show must go on...
:) good kostin! aana ippo edhuvum thona mattengudhu.. mood etc etc... edhavadhu sagaa athiradi statement slogan sonna nalla irukkum

[crajkumar_be]

Not Aboorva Sagodharargal pls, instead put Anbe Sivam
OK, i knew this choice would be debatable. Nominations paathuttu mathardhunna maathikkalaam.
[Also, I find SL funnier than MMKR but i think MMKR is the popular choice. Plus, its a question of 'riot' vs 'craft' etc]

[NOV]

Anbe Sivam missing from the list is like ladoo missing from a sweet shop. :lol:

[groucho070]

Oh man...genre padi poona innum easy-ya irunthirkkum. I am torn between MMKR and Guna.

By the way, where's Per Sollum Pillai :poke:

[NOV]

By the way, where's Per Sollum Pillai :poke:ippadi ellaam pesinganaa, dasavatharam pOda solli thondharavu pannuvEn :rotfl3:

seriously, aboorva S is sticking out like a sore thumb :think:

[NOV]

I am torn between Nayagan, Thevar Magan, Mahanadhi, Hey Ram, Virumandi and Anbe Sivam.

[groucho070]

Motha vote-u. Athan yerkanavey declare panniteene. What a year, 1991.

NOV, so happens that I am the only person in this entire universe (maybe that dude from Planet Vulcan) who likes Per Sollum Pillai :(

[Sanguine Sridhar]

Where is Anbe Sivam?

Ippodhaiku en vote Virumandi!

[NOV]

I need to re-visit SL. hope its there in my collection. :cry:

[Plum]

Voted!

[NOV]

ok bala, changed aval appadithaan to anbE sivam, as per your request. :D

[priya32]

I voted for 'anbE sivam'...is my most favorite out of all Kamal's movies! :bow:

[app_engine]

Award winning MP is missing, giving place to masalas & comedies :-(

Next pref - nAyakan, 'avangaLai niRuththachchollu' is one of a rare kind of scenes in the history of TF!

[NOV]

MP? :confused2:

yeah MMKR and AnSa shouldnt be there. :roll:

[Plum]

Ennadhu, MMKR should not be there?-a?
A monumental achievement of a movie. Adhu enna humour-na oru padi mattamA?
I'd place it ahead of Anbe Sivam and Salangai oli atleast. Definitely ahead of Virmandi.

Raja Paarvai can be considered?

MP is moondram pirai. Light-a consider paNNalAm.

[NOV]

I'd place it ahead of Anbe Sivam and Salangai oli atleast. Definitely ahead of Virmandi.:hammer: :rant: :hammer: :curse: :hammer:

[littlemaster1982]

Ungalukku pidikkalainna adhu nalla padam illaiya :huh:

[Nerd]

Mahanadhi-kku pOttEn :) AnbE sivam is a *little* overrated.

[Plum]

NOV, vera icon edhavadhu micham irukka? :-)

[equanimus]

ok bala, changed aval appadithaan to anbE sivam, as per your request. :D
Vastly prefer the former to the latter.

[HonestRaj]

Ungalukku pidikkalainna adhu nalla padam illaiya :huh:

again i don't understand.. y people are hatred towards decent masalas & comedies......

mind relax pannikka makkal virumburadhu idhu poanra padangalaithan... naamale tensiona irukkumpodhu azhumoonji padamo illai thalaya suththura madhiri screenplay konda complex-ana padamo parkka mattanga

edho manasula pattadha sonnaen !!!!!!!!

[NOV]

honestu, you are always speaking with an agenda. :evil:
I guess we are picking the best of Kamal - so masalas, enjoyable as they may be, really have no place here. I wont say the same of comedies. ;)

littemaster, endha padam enakku pidikkala? :confused2:

[HonestRaj]

honestu, you are always speaking with an agenda. :evil:

ellam honestly speaking-than.. oru agendavum kidayadhu

sari sari.. nan edhukku vote podalamnu yosikkiraen... Devar Magan :?:

done...... done :thumbsup:

[HonestRaj]

Marupadiyum List parthuttu confuse agittaen...... OK.. Appu-virkkaga AS :yes: again .. Done :mrgreen:

[HonestRaj]

AS is leading

[Plum]

MMKR verum comedy-nu nenaicha....
Honestu, MMKR is, infact, thalaya suththura madhiri screenplay konda complex-ana padam.
Gavanichu paartha dhaan padam muzhusa puriyum. That is its achievement.

Iduu puriyama comedy padam-nu rejeet paNNA, enna solradhu..

[app_engine]

Other than Anbe sivam, all the ones in poll had IR's music :-)

[HonestRaj]

nan reject-um pannalai.. MMKR paththiyum edhuvum sollalai



Gavanichu paartha dhaan padam muzhusa puriyum.

this depends on each individual...

nan edhukku indha scene-la edhuvum irukkuma irukkuma-nu gavanichu padam parkkanum.. nan enna paritchaikka padikkiraen... vilayaduvadhai poal.. padam parppadhum enakku oru pozhudhu poakku (reply is not for any further discussion - esp. in this thread... // namma thread vanga :wink: )

[app_engine]

Well, just now noticed the question of the poll - it asks "what's your fav KH movie" :-)

So, it has nothing to do with "performance" of KH in the movie I suppose...

[app_engine]

To explain a little bit, KH would have performed phenomenally in a movie still the theme and other parts of the movie could have irritated you / failed to click with you.

[app_engine]

for e.g. KH performance in GunA was awesome, but thematically it was a "சொறித்தனமான" boredom, IMO!

[littlemaster1982]

littemaster, endha padam enakku pidikkala? :confused2:

MMKR, AbSa.

[app_engine]

Similarly, mahA nadhi. Some of the scenes blow you away - those related to the brothel, daughter's nightmare etc. Even the theme was good.

But as a overall movie, it was quite a drag IMO. Some unnecessary song placements. Something was a problem. Even IR wasn't at his best in that movie.

[HonestRaj]

16 Vayathinile is not there :?

[crajkumar_be]

ok bala, changed aval appadithaan to anbE sivam, as per your request. :D
Vastly prefer the former to the latter.
Me too. However, wanted to go by makkal nominesans - AA ethana peru virumbuvaanga-nu sure-a therla...

[app_engine]

16 Vayathinile is not there :?

அதானே?

It ranks much above most listed here !

[crajkumar_be]

app_engine,
As usual, drastically, radically, completely disagree :)

[Nerd]

Similarly, mahA nadhi. Some of the scenes blow you away - those related to the brothel, daughter's nightmare etc. Even the theme was good.

But as a overall movie, it was quite a drag IMO. Some unnecessary song placements. Something was a problem. Even IR wasn't at his best in that movie.
You gotta be kidding me. Kamal's acting/writing at it's best and IR's BGM at it's best. I think you have problems with pEigala and sriranganAthanin songs. Anyway movie paththi PR-um music paththi CR-um neraiya sollittAnga in the older threads.

[crajkumar_be]

16 Vayathinile is not there :?

அதானே?

It ranks much above most listed here !
Actually modhalla potten. 10 option dhaan poda mudiyum pola irukku

Neraya nominations vandha edhayavadhu eduthuttu idha potralaam

[app_engine]

Nerd,

Actually none of the songs of mahAnadhi are anywhere close to good IR output. Average / below average numbers is my strong opinion. (I don't want to even bring the "mass popularity / hit" business here as those are baed words in this thread :-) )

BGM was good but unlike in many other movies, the theme track didn't register in me. I've already agreed Kamal was awesome as an actor in the movie. However, I felt it was too long - don't know why. And I watched it alone - on a very free day, so no disturbances to irritate / affect my opinion.

[NOV]

littemaster, endha padam enakku pidikkala? :confused2:MMKR, AbSa.:shock: ennadaa idhu vambaa pOchu? sOppu sattai pacha sattai kathai thaan :sigh2:

when one has to lmit ones choices to 10, it doesnt mean one doesnt like the others.

some ppl here dont like anbe sivam and mahanadhi.... explains a lot on why the films flopped. :evil:

someone stop the world, I want to get off. :roll:

[littlemaster1982]

littemaster, endha padam enakku pidikkala? :confused2:MMKR, AbSa.:shock: ennadaa idhu vambaa pOchu? sOppu sattai pacha sattai kathai thaan :sigh2:

when one has to lmit ones choices to 10, it doesnt mean one doesnt like the others.

some ppl here dont like anbe sivam and mahanadhi.... explains a lot on why the films flopped. :evil:

someone stop the world, I want to get off. :roll:

Shouldnt be there-nu sonneenga illaiya, adhanaala ketten. Both the films are critically acclaimed and popular ones too.

Sari, indha rendu padatthaiyum replace pandra maadhiri neenga rendu padam sollunga :)

[NOV]

shouldnt be there in top ten nu sonnEn :roll:
anbE sivam is one. :D

[complicateur]

TM-ku vote illaya!!

nAn yEn kadamaya senjuputtEn....

[NOV]

my top ten Kamal movies - 12 years ago....

http://www.indolink.com/tamil/cinema/Picks/97/kamal.htm

I'll add Anbe Sivam, Hey Ram and Virumandi to this llist :P

[Movie Cop]

Voted for "Hey Ram". 8-)

* Great, briiliant piece of acting from KH, NS and Athul Kulkarni.
* Superb screenplay & direction from KH.
* Superb technical credits for the movie (art direction, costume design, editing & cinematography).
* Brilliantr back ground score from IR.

IMO, Hey Ram/Guna/Mahanadhi/Nayagan are all on the same league. It's very little to choose between these four. 8-)

Also, restricting KH's movies to "Top 10" is an arduous task. We need at least "Top 25" :)

[m_23_bayarea]

Voted for Aboorva Sagotharargal! :D

Vevaram therinchi theatre-la paartha mudhal padam! Always close to my heart... Try watching it online whenever I feel nostalgic. Brings back great memories! 8-)

My list of favorite Kamal movies will be drastically different from most of the Hub. But let me bypass that and still give it a shot...

In chronological order... :P

- Sattam En Kayyil

- Sigappu Rojaakal

- Kalyanaraman

- Sagalakalaa Vallavan

- Sattam

- Vaazhve Maayam

- Kaaki Chattai

- Oru Kaithiyin Diary

- Naayagan

- Aboorva Sagotharargal

- Devar Magan

There are surely many other movies. But these are the ones that came right from the top of my head rightaway when I glanced through his career... :)

[Vivasaayi]

To vote based on his performance or based on the movie itself

confiyoooooshon

[app_engine]

anbE sivam leading? Conspiracy by IR-haters :-)

[crajkumar_be]

To vote based on his performance or based on the movie itself

confiyoooooshon
Namma favorite, namma yardstick

Naanum innum vote pannala, confusion!

[salaam_chennai]

TM-ku vote illaya!!

nAn yEn kadamaya senjuputtEn....

+1

Kamal, Shivaji, screenplay and dialogues :notworthy:

[m_23_bayarea]

To vote based on his performance or based on the movie itself

confiyoooooshon
Namma favorite, namma yardstick

Naanum innum vote pannala, confusion!

That's exactly how I went about my list! :wink:

[m_23_bayarea]

What a beautiful song... Tear-jerking! :cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=NOKwj8z2ydk&feature=PlayList&p=3207E09CCE4BB017&index=
8&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL

[NOV]

anbE sivam leading? Conspiracy by IR-haters well, the world doesnt revolve around IR you know.
Evaluation is on Kamal, and Kamal alone. :roll:

[groucho070]

Namma favorite, namma yardstick

Naanum innum vote pannala, confusion! :shock:
intha (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=13140) thread mathiri votes-ku canvass pannanum poola irukku.

Looks like I am the only one voted for Guna.

[dell_gt]

kuruthipunal missing :(

[Plum]

groucho, looks like I'm the only one who voted for MMKR :-)
Sort of validates why humour is not an accepted high-art genre here.

[groucho070]

groucho, looks like I'm the only one who voted for MMKR :-)
Sort of validates why humour is not an accepted high-art genre here.I know. I was weighing Guna and MMKR. But Guna wins out in cinematography and the haunting qualities.

[Cinefan]

Voted for 'Guna',my most fav Kamal movie.

Actually it's a tough choice to make as there are quite a few movies I absolutely love.But if I am asked to choose 1 DVD for keeps from the list,I will def choose the one I voted for.

[Plum]

groucho, obviously, we all have our choices. But MMKR should not be in the list because it is 'comedy' or 'masala' apdinu solrache dhaan, it gets grey...

[groucho070]

I'd say "Nansens" to them. Comedy is a serious business (Kamal said that during KK launch or something), and it should be respected equally with the serious counterpart. Intha listla, MMKR is definitely be second on my part. In fact, I'd object if some bloke comes out and say Guna is a serious arthouse film. It is masalaic in it's own way, and had good dosage of humour. MMKR-um Guna-vum side by side-ah nikkirathu tapeey illai.

[crajkumar_be]

Sethupathi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjuFTeRXQu8&feature=related)

Appadurai
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpEVLjdmct4&feature=related)

Voted

[crajkumar_be]

Two of the best choreographed songs before Prabhu Deva hit the scene

Raaja Kayya Vecha (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTjlA5-RtTs&feature=related)

Annaathe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQyVepqompI&feature=related)


can we even imagine having a movie like this made again ? the performances by Kamal, Janakaraaj, Manorama, the music, the songs...
brings back memories... and i am a Rajini fan :-)

[P_R]

Anbe sivam leading :shock:

Voted for MMKR. Kamal-Crazy ninaichA kooda andha maadhiri oru padam ezhudha mudiyAdhu

[P_R]

Sir,

this is with reference to reference to wilful concealment of information leading to obstruction of public enjoyment (http://movielane.blogspot.com/2009/05/behind-bars.html).

We hope you will treat this appeal seriously and thereby discourage us from considering stronger methods.

On behalf of the meek reading public.

Prabhu Ram

[equanimus]

ada nInga vERa PR... I was hoping to follow up that post with some scattered thoughts on some of the film's themes and visual motifs, but couldn't gather the time to put them in words. (appadi enna vElai senji kizhikkaRa'nnu kEkkalAm.) Now this post looks like just another archived post cut off from the "current affairs!"

P.S.: At least I was wise enough not to say, "a follow-up post is coming soon."

[Plum]

Sir,

this is with reference to reference to wilful concealment of information leading to obstruction of public enjoyment (http://movielane.blogspot.com/2009/05/behind-bars.html).

We hope you will treat this appeal seriously and thereby discourage us from considering stronger methods.

On behalf of the meek reading public.

Prabhu Ram
konjam konjam Ambi Ramanujam style- try-a?unintentional-a?

[Plum]

Anbe sivam leading :shock:

Voted for MMKR. Kamal-Crazy ninaichA kooda andha maadhiri oru padam ezhudha mudiyAdhu

Idhu periya manushanukku azhagu...

[Sarna]

voted for Thevarmagan..... my favourite and Kamal's best movie

[P_R]

Sir,

this is with reference to reference to wilful concealment of information leading to obstruction of public enjoyment (http://movielane.blogspot.com/2009/05/behind-bars.html).

We hope you will treat this appeal seriously and thereby discourage us from considering stronger methods.

On behalf of the meek reading public.

Prabhu Ram
konjam konjam Ambi Ramanujam style- try-a?unintentional-a?

Plum, it was a longer post. About how the cold calculated halt of the lovely blog(s) is itself a crime against the reading public. To keep things specific I edited it down and watered down the litigious tone. Looks like I should not have. Equa has still not got the seriousness of the issue at hand.

enna seyyalaam ? periyavangaLA paarthu oru paisal paNNunga

[Plum]

naan appappo infinite-circle-la comment-laam pOttu paarkaren. Manushan kalluLi manganA irukkaan - enna seyyalAm. endha oorla irukkaar equanimus. oru auto anupicharalaam...

[VENKIRAJA]

chE... sindhanai-nu pArthu Gounder thread-nu uLLE vandhutten... :lol2: Sorry ba

[Plum]

chE... sindhanai-nu pArthu Gounder thread-nu uLLE vandhutten... :lol2: Sorry ba

:rotfl:

[VENKIRAJA]

voted for Thevarmagan..... my favourite and Kamal's best movie

Same same..

[Kalyasi]

I yaam the Hey Ram

[Sarna]

voted for Thevarmagan..... my favourite and Kamal's best movie

Same same..

adhu 8-)

nEththu release aana Subramanyapuram kooda Thevarmagan moolamaa Kamal pOtta kOttin neelchidhaan :smokesmirk:

i dunno why, young directors are not getting inspired by MMKR :? and doing a full-length comedy movie :roll: oru vEla romba kashttamO ???

[P_R]

MMKR a magic even Kamal-Crazy-Singeetham cannot recreate

Too many things were perfect about the movie. They had little idea the aesthetic heights they were scaling.

[app_engine]

http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=500469&disdate=7/14/2009

If this news report is accurate, Kamal himself acknowledges that Guna was not a commercial vetRi...

While he claims HR & Guna are 'pon kunjukaL', it also implies that they are of the 'kAkkai' family :-)

[VENKIRAJA]

MMKR a magic even Kamal-Crazy-Singeetham cannot recreate

Too many things were perfect about the movie. They had little idea the aesthetic heights they were scaling.

;)

[Plum]

http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=500469&disdate=7/14/2009

If this news report is accurate, Kamal himself acknowledges that Guna was not a commercial vetRi...

While he claims HR & Guna are 'pon kunjukaL', it also implies that they are of the 'kAkkai' family :-)

Extending an analogy to all attributes of the compared object/concept is never a good idea :-)

[crajkumar_be]

Plum,
Avar appuram "kuzhandhaikku kooda theriyum" nu edhavadhu vilangamudiya vilakkam kuduppaaru... Effect cause aagum, thideernu apples orange oda compare seyyappadum, ellame ulta aaidum... Onniyume puriyadhu

[Vivasaayi]

Plum,
Avar appuram "kuzhandhaikku kooda theriyum" nu edhavadhu vilangamudiya vilakkam kuduppaaru... Effect cause aagum, thideernu apples orange oda compare seyyappadum, ellame ulta aaidum... Onniyume puriyadhu

:lol:

and also it would be great if he gives interviews in a colloquial language.

[crajkumar_be]

aahaa, naan Thalaivara pathi pesala Vikki, namma nanbar app_engine solradha pathi sonnen :)

[Vivasaayi]

aahaa, naan Thalaivara pathi pesala Vikki :)

adada....ipdithan pala thadava asinga padradhu

thalaivar kooda appappo edhadhayo compare pannuvaru...hey raam 1947 laye eduthirukka venum ...idhuve late apdimbaru(when asked whether his style of making is very advanced)

adhaan..hehe..adhuvum onnum puriyadhunu vera sonnengala...

[Vivasaayi]

Voted for Thevar magan - as a movie

If I had to vote for performance - Guna and MMKR.

[app_engine]

அடப்போங்கப்பா, கமல் பாதி சொன்னார் நான் மீதிப்பழமொழி சொன்னேன், அம்புட்டுத்தேன்:-)

BTW, எனக்குக்காக்கை ரொம்பப்பிடித்த பறவைங்க:-)

சமீபத்தில் அப்ஸ்டேட் நியூயார்க்கில் சில காகங்களைப்பார்த்துட்டு (நீண்ட இடைவெளிக்கப்புறம்) ரொம்ப எக்ஸைட் ஆயிட்டேன்:-)

[groucho070]

Saw 16 Vayathinile yesterday.

Kamal was only 23 when the film came out. 23 years old!!! Despite his brushing aside that he grew better over the time, Kamal was already a good actor at this stage. You want to be the next Kamal, you better prove yourself at early age, as proven by NT decades earlier. When he made his smashing debut, NT was 24! And that after already making name on stage. That's why I firmly believe that the "next Kamal" if there were to be such thing (I don't think so) will be those young twenty somethings out there.

Anyway, the film still holds after so many years. Sri Devi too was great here. Great support from Rajini and not to forget the very talented Ghandimathi.

Nice to also note that Rajini had already forged a good chemistry with the one and only Gounder :lol:

[NOV]

1. Sivaji had numerous stage experiences before he entered cinema.

2. 16 VayathinilE was NOT Kamal's first film.

come on Rakesh, try harder. :P

[groucho070]

try harder. :PKey words :)

[P_R]

Kamal was only 23 when the film came out. 23 years old!!! Despite his brushing aside that he grew better over the time, Kamal was already a good actor at this stage.

Look at the variety of roles he did when he was 24.

avaL appadithaan
manidharin ethanai nirangaL
sigappu rojakkaL
sattam en kayyil
iLamai oonjal aadugiradhu
nizhal nijamaagiradhu
marOcharitra (Telugu original of Ek Duje Ke Liye)

[Movie Cop]

Kamal was only 23 when the film came out. 23 years old!!! Despite his brushing aside that he grew better over the time, Kamal was already a good actor at this stage.

Look at the variety of roles he did when he was 24.

avaL appadithaan
manidharin ethanai nirangaL
sigappu rojakkaL
sattam en kayyil
iLamai oonjal aadugiradhu
nizhal nijamaagiradhu
marOcharitra (Telugu original of Ek Duje Ke Liye)
Should also include "Avargal" in that list. "Johnny", the Mallu ventriloquist, is one of the underrated performances from Kamal.
Understandably, his role was completely overshadowed by Rajini's sadist husband character. Not that it was a great role since KH has done lot more memorable roles that that. But that was pretty good considering the age and the stage he was during that time of his career.

There is a choreograhic sequence in that movie with KH & Kutty Padmini where they will be playing cricket inside a stadium, that was pretty novel/diparant. Can't find any youteep links. :?

[HonestRaj]

OK.. I need his great performances between 1980 - 1985 / pre- Nayakan

[app_engine]

OK.. I need his great performances between 1980 - 1985 / pre- Nayakan

moondRam piRai (82) and sAhara sangamam / salangai oli (83)

Looks like rAja pArvai was 81, which was a good act as well.

[HonestRaj]

1 varusathula .. 7 - 8 good films.... 5 varusathula just 2 films...

"iLam kanru bayam aRiyadhu" - sariya?

[app_engine]

1 varusathula .. 7 - 8 good films.... 5 varusathula just 2 films...

"iLam kanru bayam aRiyadhu" - sariya?

Not that way, you're looking at his "most conpused" period - SKV / indhi etc were clouding his outlook during that period, despite the good efforts here and there. Even swAthi muthyam was pre-nAyakan.

Ofcourse, nAyakan brought him back to the reckoning.

[crajkumar_be]

1 varusathula .. 7 - 8 good films.... 5 varusathula just 2 films...

"iLam kanru bayam aRiyadhu" - sariya?
Raaja Paarvai
Varumayin niram Sigappu
Sagara Sangamam
Moondram Pirai
Ek Duje Keliye (ok, not the original.. still)
Swathi Muthyam
Saagar (ok, overa sila scenes undu but an important performance nevertheless)

Honorable mention: Kaidhiyin Diary, Thoongadhe Thambi Thoongadhe, Meendum Kokila

idhellam Thalaivar standard absolute a paathomna.. relative a paakka arambicha gold standard dhaan


HR,
Whats your point? You got to be kidding here....

[groucho070]

Raaja Paarvai
Varumayin niram Sigappu
Sagara Sangamam
Moondram Pirai
Ek Duje Keliye (ok, not the original.. still)
Swathi Muthyam
Saagar (ok, overa sila scenes undu but an important performance nevertheless)
Hindi ulagattaiyee nadunadungga vaithathu.

[Vivasaayi]

simla special is another notable movie.

[Movie Cop]

"Vaazhve Maayam" too! Not a great role for KH's standards but the movie and songs were super duper hit! 8-)

By the by, it's time to revisit "Simla Special" and "Raja Paarvai".

[Raikkonen]

"Vaazhve Maayam" too! Not a great role for KH's standards but the movie and songs were super duper hit! 8-)

By the by, it's time to revisit "Simla Special" and "Raja Paarvai".

yes and it was a remake..

[Movie Cop]

"Vaazhve Maayam" too! Not a great role for KH's standards but the movie and songs were super duper hit! 8-)

By the by, it's time to revisit "Simla Special" and "Raja Paarvai".

yes and it was a remake..
Yes, it was a remake of some Telugu movie (not sure which one) :confused2: Vaazhve Maayam was a boxoffice blockbuster movie. Gangai Amaran was the MD and songs were chartbusters too... 8-)

[Raikkonen]

"Vaazhve Maayam" too! Not a great role for KH's standards but the movie and songs were super duper hit! 8-)

By the by, it's time to revisit "Simla Special" and "Raja Paarvai".

yes and it was a remake..
Yes, it was a remake of some Telugu movie (not sure which one) :confused2: Vaazhve Maayam was a boxoffice blockbuster movie. Gangai Amaran was the MD and songs were chartbusters too... 8-)

premabhishekam.. loved the songs too..

// i said yes not to offend kamal fans, but just to defend his performance/role since he hasn't done that well (for his standards) in remake movies (vasool, UMT)..

hopefully upo will break the trend.. 8-)

[Movie Cop]

"Vaazhve Maayam" too! Not a great role for KH's standards but the movie and songs were super duper hit! 8-)

By the by, it's time to revisit "Simla Special" and "Raja Paarvai".

yes and it was a remake..
Yes, it was a remake of some Telugu movie (not sure which one) :confused2: Vaazhve Maayam was a boxoffice blockbuster movie. Gangai Amaran was the MD and songs were chartbusters too... 8-)

premabhishekam.. loved the songs too..

// i said yes not to offend kamal fans, but just to defend his performance/role since he hasn't done that well (for his standards) in remake movies (vasool, UMT)..

hopefully upo will break the trend.. 8-)
Raiks,
Agree with Vasool Raja. It owed a lot to Munnabhai's characterization which was etched out a lot better/stronger... Vasool Raja's characterization paled in comparison to that.

but I beg to disgree with UMT/RV comparison...Udhaya moorthy was a walk in the park role for KH. Though the role didn't challenge him that much, I still felt KH was still better than Chiru in RV!

But it brings up an interesting kostin I wanted to clarify for years, like the chicken & egg problem. Which is the original, UMT or Rudraveena coz I've heard folks claiming either way? :confused2:

[Vivasaayi]

raiko,
kurudhipunal

vasool rajaram was great

i liked udhaya moorthy too

[Raikkonen]

raiko,
kurudhipunal

vasool rajaram was great

i liked udhaya moorthy too

:oops: ya.. but i haven't seen the original..

[Vivasaayi]

so what?

he is good..avlothaana..

[Raikkonen]

so what?

he is good..avlothaana..

:yes:

but i have seen ppl criticizing his performance in vasool and umt (i liked both of them very much)..

[groucho070]

But it brings up an interesting kostin I wanted to clarify for years, like the chicken & egg problem. Which is the original, UMT or Rudraveena coz I've heard folks claiming either way? :confused2:RV. Award winning apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudraveena

[Plum]

Chiru in rudra veena was far more convinced in the character, I f not convincing, and kamal seems to have lost interest in umt somewhere during the shoting.
For tht reason, his performance was not as convincing as chiru in RV.

[Shakthiprabha]

I voted for Salangai oli :bow:
Wish I had 2 to 3 more votes to vote for

Guna
Hey ram and
MMKR

too

:cry:

Why did u guys leave out movies like

"sigappu rojakkaL" :bow:
"avaL appadith thaan"
"unnal mudiyum thambi"
"Pushpak" :bow:
"aboorva raagangaL"
"moondru mudichu"
"raajap paarvai"
"ninaithaale i nikkum"
"varumaiyin niram sigappu"
"oru oothappoo kansimittugirathu"
"manmatha leelai"

and I can go on and on

aboorva sahotharargaL elaam vanthirukku :sigh2: :| Guess most hubbers here are interested in rating and discussing only post 90z movies :roll:

[HonestRaj]

1 varusathula .. 7 - 8 good films.... 5 varusathula just 2 films...

"iLam kanru bayam aRiyadhu" - sariya?
Raaja Paarvai
Varumayin niram Sigappu
Sagara Sangamam
Moondram Pirai
Ek Duje Keliye (ok, not the original.. still)
Swathi Muthyam
Saagar (ok, overa sila scenes undu but an important performance nevertheless)

Honorable mention: Kaidhiyin Diary, Thoongadhe Thambi Thoongadhe, Meendum Kokila

idhellam Thalaivar standard absolute a paathomna.. relative a paakka arambicha gold standard dhaan


HR,
Whats your point? You got to be kidding here....

Illai... PR post parthadhum ketka thoanichu... pre--Nayakan.. enakku nyabagathukku vandhadhu Salangai Oli mattume + appo irundha vegam illayenu kettaen

[Shakthiprabha]

I aint sure if I had mentioned this here :D

Along with 100s of others worthy of mention, I ALSO THOROUGLY enjoy the foll scene from avvai shanmugi
___

Gemini would seek the approval of his deceased wife.

Sollu jaanaki...nee sollu

(kamalhassan's perplexed pathetic naughty look)

sollu janaki sollu

(kamalhassan quietly kicks the janaki's pic and the adorned flower falls down)

aha en janaki utharu koduthutta... shanmugi ...janaki utharavu koduthutta

(bayangara azhaga, asadu vazhum sirippu from kamalhassan :2thumbsup: )

[P_R]

adhu chellammA

Meena, as the heroine of the Crazywritten movie, is Janaki

[NOV]

sollu janaki sollu

(kamalhassan quietly kicks the janaki's pic and the adorned flower falls down)

aha en janaki utharu koduthutta... shanmugi ...janaki utharavu koduthutta

adhu chellammA

Meena, as the heroine of the Crazywritten movie, is Janaki:rotfl: :rotfl3:

[app_engine]

http://www.manoramaonline.com/advt/movie/kamal_haasan_jubilee/index.htm

Possibly because DM was directed by Bharatan, it enjoys overwhelming vote in the malayala manorama website (here too they don't give moondRAm piRai as an option, that's all the recognition NA gets)

[Raikkonen]

one scene that really mesmerized me in devar magan..

sivaji and kamal in a 'refugees' camp after the 'flood'. kamal shows his respect to sivaji and sivaji shows his affection towards kamal (he signals the kanakku guy to go away)

:bow: great scene

[Aalavanthan]

This thread deserves to be in first page :)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

adhu chellammA

Meena, as the heroine of the Crazywritten movie, is Janaki

:lol: :lol: Janaki, Mythili, Malathi... still an unbroken rikkaardu :lol2:

[Aalavanthan]

:lol: :lol: Janaki, Mythili, Malathi... still an unbroken rikkaardu :lol2:

The Janaki-Mythilli combo worked out well in Kadhala Kadhala too..

R.Lingam: dei unaku innumaa da puriyala. idhu en Mythilli
S. Lingam: idhu en Ja Ja Janakieee :D

[Aalavanthan]

Voted for Anbae Sivam - I have already posted my fav scene a couple of yrs ago.. An excellent yet interesting scene from the movie.. Ripped by self for your pleasure :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmOy6p87TWI

[mnaren555]

anbe sivam... i lov it

[Nerd]

P_R,
I remember you posted the translation of the Bengali poem that Rani recites in Hey Raam. Ling Plis. :)

[P_R]

P_R,
I remember you posted the translation of the Bengali poem that Rani recites in Hey Raam. Ling Plis. :)




Akashe jyotsna
Phuler pathe chita baagher gayer karam
Hridoy amar horin jano
Ratrer ei niraboder bhetor, kondike cholechi?
Rupali paatar chaya amar shorire
Kothao kono horin neyi
Aar joto door jaayee, kaashter moton banka chaand
Shesh shonale horin, shorsho khete niyeche jano
Taar par dhire dhire dube jaache
Shata shata mrigedaar choker ghumer andhokaarer bhetor

The translation goes ...

Moonlight in the sky
On the Forest Trail the Scent of the Leopard
My Heart is like Deer
In the Silence of this night, which way am I going?
The silvery shadow of leaves on my body
No more deer anywhere
As far as I go I see the moon bent like a sickle
Cutting the last golden deer-grain
Then sinking slowly
Into the darkness of all the sleep
In the eyes of a 100 does.

Nerd-gaaru, enthukku lyricsu :P ?

[Nerd]

Friends kEttAnga :P

Good one :clap:

[Bala (Karthik)]

Paattu paatta Youtube pannittu irukkayila Virumaandi Thalaivar intro vandhuchu.. Padam paathu remba naal aachu. Revisit due...
What a magnificent lead up to the scene. Mei silirrkudhu.
Actor getting into the skin of the character ellam irukkattum, Virumaandi is a film where i "merge" with the character :lol: One of the most influential Thalaivar films for me...

[Srimannarayanan]

Paattu paatta Youtube pannittu irukkayila Virumaandi Thalaivar intro vandhuchu.. Padam paathu remba naal aachu. Revisit due...
What a magnificent lead up to the scene. Mei silirrkudhu.
Actor getting into the skin of the character ellam irukkattum, Virumaandi is a film where i "merge" with the character :lol: One of the most influential Thalaivar films for me...

:exactly:

Bala

Few Critics say Paruthiveeran is better than Virumandi. :evil:

Thalaivar Delivered a masterpiece despite of the trouble gave by Krishnasamy, :D

[P_R]

Few Critics say Paruthiveeran is better than Virumandi. :evil:

:mad: seppals-Ala adikkaNum

[equanimus]

"Few Critics?" That's the most prevalent opinion, isn't it?

[Vivasaayi]

virumandi fulla outdoorla eduthirundha..innum pataasa irundhirukum...

kichaaaaa arghhhhhhh

[NOV]

Few Critics say Paruthiveeran is better than Virumandi. :evil:
:mad: seppals-Ala adikkaNum :shock:
didnt expect this from you... a person who respects difference of opinion. :roll:

[Srimannarayanan]

"Few Critics?" That's the most prevalent opinion, isn't it?

I dont know whether this is a common opinion.

Usually whenever Charru speaks about Kamal, he says that PV is better than Virumandi and Ameer is better screenplay writer than Kamal.

I dont understand what yardstiks he uses to give these kind of sweeping statements.

[Jyothsna]

"Few Critics?" That's the most prevalent opinion, isn't it?

I dont know whether this is a common opinion.

Usually whenever Charru speaks about Kamal, he says that PV is better than Virumandi and Ameer is better screenplay writer than Kamal.

I dont understand what yardstiks he uses to give these kind of sweeping statements.

Childrens of heaven a vida pasanga nalla padam nu sonna jenmam thane.. :evil:

[VENKIRAJA]

"Few Critics?" That's the most prevalent opinion, isn't it?

I dont know whether this is a common opinion.

Usually whenever Charru speaks about Kamal, he says that PV is better than Virumandi and Ameer is better screenplay writer than Kamal.

I dont understand what yardstiks he uses to give these kind of sweeping statements.
http://tbcd-tbcd.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_28.html
அவரு ஒரு டம்மி பீசுங்க.. பிரீயா உடுங்க

[great]

Few Critics say Paruthiveeran is better than Virumandi. :evil:

:mad: seppals-Ala adikkaNum

:rotfl2: :rotfl2:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Few Critics say Paruthiveeran is better than Virumandi. :evil:
:mad: seppals-Ala adikkaNum :shock:
didnt expect this from you... a person who respects difference of opinion. :roll:

Virmandi is a much greater screenplay & execution whereas PV took virumaandi reference liberally. Ameer himself accepted this on Pasanga audio punksaan. Instead of explaining why seppals, better read the reviews of Viru and PV. YOu will find the diff.

me too want to beat the 'few critics' aka saaru in pinja seppaals :twisted:

[NOV]

I too agree that Virumandi is vastly superior and that if not for the finale of PV, it probably would have been another of the has-beens.

But my :shock: is at PR's reaction. :?

[viraajan]

"Few Critics?" That's the most prevalent opinion, isn't it?

I dont know whether this is a common opinion.

Usually whenever Charru speaks about Kamal, he says that PV is better than Virumandi and Ameer is better screenplay writer than Kamal.

I dont understand what yardstiks he uses to give these kind of sweeping statements.

Childrens of heaven a vida pasanga nalla padam nu sonna jenmam thane.. :evil:

who said this naansens statement :lol:

VirumAndi - Trend setter... romba differentAna yosanai :thumbsup: internEsanal standard

[P_R]

I too agree that Virumandi is vastly superior and that if not for the finale of PV, it probably would have been another of the has-beens.

But my :shock: is at PR's reaction. :?

NOV, it is a Vadivelu quote from the movie Pudhumaippiththan...that's all :lol2:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

vadiveluvo viveko, saaruvukku seppaals thaan

[HonestRaj]

Last weekend.. oorukku pOgumpodhu..

PKS --- Equa than sattunu nyabagathukku vandhar.. sari innaikku indha padathula appadi enna irukkunnu parthudalamnu mudivu pannittEn..

-- sila idangalil siruppu vandhadhu.. sila idangalil avlo onnum sirappa illai & manasula nikkadha comedy, varthai vilayattu comedy.. etc.

-- paadhikku mela padam sentiment track

-- climax'la pandiyarajan padathula varramadhiri oru chase

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veetukku town bus'la pogumpodhu.. . singaravelan oru rendu scene parthEn... really :rotfl: <Gounder illadha scenethan>

1) ding ding ding ding.. brummmmm

idhula oru karuthum illai.. but I was :rotfl: & made me to see this again, so I revisited this at home

2) kamal to watchman: sumeeth irukka :lol:

again:

pudhusa pombalainga kuninju kadhir arukkura madhiri oru 100 ruba note vadhurukku parthurukkiya

nalla rasicha dialogue idhu......... cross checked the writer & it is Panchu Arunachalam :clap: :clap:

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for me:

MMKR, SV, SL, VRMBBS > PT, Tenali, PKS, KK (not in any order on either side)

1st 4 eppa pottalum repeat parkka salippe varadhu.. others konja nerathula channel mathiduven

[HonestRaj]

Revisited

Michael, Madhana, Kama, Rajan .... after so many years.... ippadi comma vodathan pEru poduranga

* sila pala scenes appappo parthurukken.. but complete film innaikku than parthen

* oru scene'la irundhu adutha scene / adutha character'ku neat'ah kondupoyirukkanga.. never felt bored ...

* highlights / catchy dialogues'nu thaniya solla mudiyadhu.. kitta thatta ellame nalla irundhadhu

* I think it was released either 1990 / 1991 .... 4 th std leavela vcr'la partha nyabagam

* Kushboo'ku mattum 2 songs .. 3 heroinela azhagunnu sonna.. adhu Kushboo'than :slurp:

* sivarathiri Roobini kooda sooper

* Title card: Nadanam - S. Prabhu <arimugam>.. is this Prabhu Deva by any chance... except for "vechalum vekkAma ponalum" <by Lalitha mani>

* Kadhai thiraikadhai paththi ellam... pundits alasittanga....

* Kamal looks superb as Madanagopal... with specs & his stylish english :thumbsup: :clap:

* Vincent Booavaragan accent andha kaalathula Michael kittaye irukku

* Malai veedu climax.. ellorum kaithula sarukki vara... Michael mattum oru jump adipparu :clap: < Christian Fletcher madhiri>

* appappo oosi vedi madhiri VAM dialogues :rotfl3: :rotfl3:

* Climax'la kaithula first VAM eranguvaru... avarai thodarndhu SN Lakshmi pAtti.......
VAM: pAtti.. edhavadhu udhavi venuma

I was :rotfl: :rotfl: <manusan eppo single meaningla pesurarne theriyadhe>

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Few more inline for revisting:

Singaravelan
Virumandi
Devarmagan
16 V
Sathya
Sigappu Rojakkal

[venkkiram]

சலங்கை ஒலியை தேர்வு செய்தேன்.

என் வாழ்நாளில் ஒரு திரைப்படத்தை அதிக முறை பார்த்தது என்றால் அது சலங்கை ஒலிதான்.

பதினோறாம் வகுப்பு வரை எந்த படத்தை எத்தனை முறை பார்த்திருக்கிறோம் என்ற கணக்கு இருந்தது. அப்போதே சலங்கை ஒலியை 28 முறை பார்த்ததாக நினைவு. அதற்கு அப்புறம் பார்க்கும் போது தொடர்ந்து எண்ணிக்கையை ஞாபகத்தில் வைத்துக்கொள்ள வில்லை. அரை சதத்தை ஒரு வேளை நெருங்கி இருக்கலாம்..

பலவற்றிற்காக படம் பிடித்தது.

1) பால கிருஷ்ணாவின் பாத்திரம் பெரிய ஹீரோயிசமாக தோன்றவே தோன்றாது. படைப்பின் முக்கிய கதாபாத்திரங்களில் ஒன்றாகவே பாலகிருஷ்ணாவின் பாத்திரம் செதுக்கப் பட்டிருக்கும்.

2) பாரம்பரியமான நாட்டியத்தை சுவாசமாகக் கொண்டு, பணம் சம்பாரிக்கும் எண்ணமின்றி பலர் கைத்தட்டலுக்காகவே ஏங்கித் தவிக்கும் ஒரு ஏழ்மையான குடும்பப் பின்னணி கொண்ட பன்முகக் கலைஞன்.

3) அரும்பு போல ஆரம்பித்த நட்பு மொட்டான காதலாகி, பூ போன்ற தெய்வீகத்தை அடையும் பால கிருஷ்ணா - மாதவியின் உறவு.

4) கவிதையான பலக் காட்சிகளில், தியாகம் என்றால் என்ன என்பதை வித்யாசமான கோணங்களில் அலசியிருப்பது.

5) ராஜாவின் பின்னணி இசை. முக்கியமாக பாலகிருஷ்ணா , மாதவி இருவருக்கும் இடையே வரும் காட்சிகளுக்கான பிரத்யேக பின்னணி இசை மெய்சிலிர்க்க வைக்கும்.

6) கடைசிக் காட்சியில், "திருமதி மாதவி இங்கு பாராட்டின பாலகிருஷ்ணன் நாந்தான்" எனப் பேசிய உடனேயே எழும்பும் பார்வையாளர்களின் கரவொலியை கேட்டு, "இன்னும் எழுப்புங்கள்" என்று சைகையாலாயே தெரிவித்து மனமுருகிப் போகும் பாலகிருஷ்ணாவின் நிலைதான் படத்தின் உயிர்நாடியே.

7) முத்தாய்ப்பாக, "அந்த மாசில்லா தாயுக்கு நன்றியுணர்வை தெரிவித்துக் கொள்கிறேன்" என்று மாதவியை பார்த்து கையெடுத்து கும்பிடும் ஒரு பாத்திரத்தில், பாலகிருஷ்ணா மட்டும் அழவில்லை. பார்க்கும் நாமும் தான்.

அதுபோன்ற கமலை இனி பார்க்கவே முடியாது. ஏன், அந்தக் கமல் காணாமல் போய் நிறைய வருடங்கள் ஆகிவிட்டது.

பாத்திரங்கள் என்றால் சட்டென நினைவுக்கு வருவது சப்பாணியும், பாலகிருஷ்ணாவும் தான் ..

[Bala (Karthik)]

Mottai Boss was simply awesome.
Had seen the leaked stills of Mottai boss in internet, yet nothing prepared for the zanny shock I got when I saw it in the big screen. It was real cool stuff - a pure pulp experience.
Long back I had remarked on the parking lot of Sathyam theatre after coming out of Matrix, Lawrence Fishburne looks certainly cool in the long leather coat and bald plate and the cools he sported, yet one man who can do better was Rajini and I thanked my stars when that dream came true in 2007 thanks to mottai boss. pala pakkangal ezudhalaam en chella mottayai paththi. Kamal did one mottai in aalavandhaan - but he needs to do one cool mottai like Mottai boss in a masala movie, just let go and awe the folks in the theatre.
The only other mottai( bald plate) that impressed me to the core was that of the man in my avatar in 'Untouchables' that opening shot of him getting shaved is worth a million bucks. Now if Rajini plays that kinda role (Al Capone) in an Indian movie will it be a sensation of epic proportions or what?
Sadly with Rajini - all of these are just these.. fans and cine lovers imagining 'what - ifs' for Rajini and Kamal - Some on has to gently kick their back side and say ' Go do your stuff guys - you were born to act and act much much better'.
1. Indiran Chandiran, Nandu, Michael (MMKR) - mottai or not, were ultimate bad-asses. Ithanaikkum Michael gets the least screen time in MMKR!
Since you talked about letting go and playing for the gallery, the gimmicky one, Christian Fletcher did exactly that and more (udane andha characterization, writing, lines a pathi dissection seyya vendaam, because it works both ways and more importantly, since we talked about makkal loving it, there we are!).
2. As for the last part of your post (hyphenation, equation etc),

"I would love Ilaiyaraaja to do a score like Vidhyasagar in Anbe Sivam. Of course, in the case of both HJ and IR, its always been a question of what-ifs - you guys were born to score music and score much much better"
P.S: IMO, VS as a music director is underrated, just to give a context to my quote above and that it is not misunderstood

[Bala (Karthik)]

And Rajini is one of TFI's best villains not because of Mottai boss, please. I'd instead look for Aval Appadithaan (if you can call him a villain in that), 16V, etc any day...

[jaiganes]

Mottai Boss was simply awesome.
Had seen the leaked stills of Mottai boss in internet, yet nothing prepared for the zanny shock I got when I saw it in the big screen. It was real cool stuff - a pure pulp experience.
Long back I had remarked on the parking lot of Sathyam theatre after coming out of Matrix, Lawrence Fishburne looks certainly cool in the long leather coat and bald plate and the cools he sported, yet one man who can do better was Rajini and I thanked my stars when that dream came true in 2007 thanks to mottai boss. pala pakkangal ezudhalaam en chella mottayai paththi. Kamal did one mottai in aalavandhaan - but he needs to do one cool mottai like Mottai boss in a masala movie, just let go and awe the folks in the theatre.
The only other mottai( bald plate) that impressed me to the core was that of the man in my avatar in 'Untouchables' that opening shot of him getting shaved is worth a million bucks. Now if Rajini plays that kinda role (Al Capone) in an Indian movie will it be a sensation of epic proportions or what?
Sadly with Rajini - all of these are just these.. fans and cine lovers imagining 'what - ifs' for Rajini and Kamal - Some on has to gently kick their back side and say ' Go do your stuff guys - you were born to act and act much much better'.
1. Indiran Chandiran, Nandu, Michael (MMKR) - mottai or not, were ultimate bad-asses. Ithanaikkum Michael gets the least screen time in MMKR!
Since you talked about letting go and playing for the gallery, the gimmicky one, Christian Fletcher did exactly that and more (udane andha characterization, writing, lines a pathi dissection seyya vendaam, because it works both ways and more importantly, since we talked about makkal loving it, there we are!).
2. As for the last part of your post (hyphenation, equation etc),

"I would love Ilaiyaraaja to do a score like Vidhyasagar in Anbe Sivam. Of course, in the case of both HJ and IR, its always been a question of what-ifs - you guys were born to score music and score much much better"
P.S: IMO, VS as a music director is underrated, just to give a context to my quote above and that it is not misunderstood
ange sonnadhukku inga badhilaa?
nallaa thaan seyreenga.
irundhaalum solren.
romba vishamaama IR - HJ appdinnu equate panreengale enna artham? IR = Kamal, HJ - Rajini appdinnu ennai solla solli odhai vaanga vekireeyalo?. Indha ulKuthukku naan bali aaga maatten
Oru pechukkunnu sonnaalum, namma ellaa iconsukkume naan sonnadhu apply aagum. raasappu kooda innum menakettu meesik podanum, summa ovvoru notelayum thaandavam aadanumgradhu dhaan en aasai. Adhai pola thaan idhayum sonnaen.
Kamal has to loosen himself and play a stylish role. Rajini has to stiffen up and do a role like Krishnaswamy(Mahanadhi). 'Avar thottadhu naan thodala' ngara maadhiri inimelum irukka koodaadhu. rendu perum koottani amaichu rasigargala kozhappi summaa kalaasanum. indha maadhiri vuttu aatunaa dhaan chimpu dhanush maadhiri podi pasanga 'punch dialaak' solradha niruthittu nadikaradhu epdinnu focus pannuvaanga.
Fletcher character badass villaine kidayaadhu. Badassnna sholay padathula varra Amjukutti dhaan. adhai maadhiri oru villain pannaa innum oru 50 varushathukku pesalaam naama ellorum. fletcherllaam paal kudikkara kozhandhainga in comparison.

plus Michael in MMKR is not badassy enough. summaa sirichukitte soruvanum - avan dhaan badass.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Jai,
Of course i'd like to respond about Kamal in this thread.
And funny you should ask this after writing about Kamal in every other post in that thread :razz:

And replace VS/HJ with Yuvan or anyone appropriate. The intent is not to HJ-ize Rajini but rather to point out the hazardous habit of constant hyphenation of these two gentlemen!

and unga badass definition ellam paatha... vitta mottai adicha dhaan bad-ass nu rule potruveenga pola irukke! If Mikkolu is not badass, the twain shall never meet dhaan! Plus, makeup podraaru nu kurai solravanga gavanikka vendiya role adhu

[jaiganes]

Indha kalebarathula en vote edhukkunnu soll amaranduttaen
(like Amaidhipadai sathyaraj - rathathai paartha naama ellathayum marandhudromla - now talk of bad ass villain - how can i forget that one?).
I voted for Guna. Idhayathai pidingi azhavaikkira sogam, adhe samayam seyyara ovvoru anticslayum irukkara kurumbu, andha mugam irukke. adhai oru frame pottu paarthaale andha character ulla erangidum. Guna maadhiri oru character ovvoru actor lifelayum oru dhadavai dhaan varum. Ennai migavum aazhamaa baadhicha oru character.
Oru scene sollanumna. Oru barber shopla shaving pannittu cooling glass(with tag) maatitu oru kushiyoda varuvaapla - Only chandrababu' kalyaanam' in the background. Oru mannu dialaakum kidayaadhu. just 'being', that innocent joy, pudhu toy kedacha kozhandha maadhiri. Adhai kamal mattume seiyya mudiyum. seidhu irukkaar. Sivaji fans mannikka..
My grandpa who is my cinema guru - said Sivajiyai thookki sapptutaan kamal after watching Guna preview show. When I saw the 'Kanmani anbodu song' that movement in the cave floor like a puppet was enough to convince me. performance of a lifetime. writing paththi sollanumnaa. andha hyderabad koil poottai odaikkara andha scenes Martin Scorceseyoda endha padaththukkun nerukku neraa ninnu savaal vidakkoodiyavai. kaasu mootayaala adichuttu poradhellaam naan ezudhuradha vida paarkum bodhu innum blood curdlingaairukkum. Adhukku naduvula kozhandhai maadhiri poottai odaikkum kamal. adhukkum nadula oru laddu paattu. Indha complex writing mahanadhila kedayaadhu. Work of a freaking genius all around.

[groucho070]

This is worth quoting again. Except for the line about NT, :clap: to the rest.


I voted for Guna. Idhayathai pidingi azhavaikkira sogam, adhe samayam seyyara ovvoru anticslayum irukkara kurumbu, andha mugam irukke. adhai oru frame pottu paarthaale andha character ulla erangidum. Guna maadhiri oru character ovvoru actor lifelayum oru dhadavai dhaan varum. Ennai migavum aazhamaa baadhicha oru character.
Oru scene sollanumna. Oru barber shopla shaving pannittu cooling glass(with tag) maatitu oru kushiyoda varuvaapla - Only chandrababu' kalyaanam' in the background. Oru mannu dialaakum kidayaadhu. just 'being', that innocent joy, pudhu toy kedacha kozhandha maadhiri. Adhai kamal mattume seiyya mudiyum. seidhu irukkaar. Sivaji fans mannikka..
My grandpa who is my cinema guru - said Sivajiyai thookki sapptutaan kamal after watching Guna preview show. When I saw the 'Kanmani anbodu song' that movement in the cave floor like a puppet was enough to convince me. performance of a lifetime. writing paththi sollanumnaa. andha hyderabad koil poottai odaikkara andha scenes Martin Scorceseyoda endha padaththukkun nerukku neraa ninnu savaal vidakkoodiyavai. kaasu mootayaala adichuttu poradhellaam naan ezudhuradha vida paarkum bodhu innum blood curdlingaairukkum. Adhukku naduvula kozhandhai maadhiri poottai odaikkum kamal. adhukkum nadula oru laddu paattu. Indha complex writing mahanadhila kedayaadhu. Work of a freaking genius all around.

[Movie Cop]

Guna is one of my favourite KH movies. Superb acting in a very well made movie. Even well before Guna, KH has already proved that he is a "once in a lifetime" actor. Guna/Mahanadhi etc. are mere affirmations of the same! :D

[Cinefan]

Good post by Jai.Have already voted for Guna,my most fav KH film.His post makes me want to see it again.

[hamid]

Voted for Salankai Oli :cool: superb natural performance.. story of a person who is a loser due to circumstances despite having talents..


One scene is enough.. the expressions when his mother dies... :notworthy:

a performance which contains all sort of emotions.. dancer, friend, love, untold affection, depression, drunkard, critic, etc.. :thumbsup:

[Movie Cop]

"Varumayin Niram Sigappu" - A pretty funny scene in an otherwise gloomy/depressing movie. I still remember watching this movie in Devi paradise (chennai) with friends. Those were the times where unemployments used to be the order of the day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDSUzDio3ek&feature=PlayList&p=A61BB11DEA077101&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3

[jaiganes]

This is worth quoting again. Except for the line about NT, :clap: to the rest.


I voted for Guna. Idhayathai pidingi azhavaikkira sogam, adhe samayam seyyara ovvoru anticslayum irukkara kurumbu, andha mugam irukke. adhai oru frame pottu paarthaale andha character ulla erangidum. Guna maadhiri oru character ovvoru actor lifelayum oru dhadavai dhaan varum. Ennai migavum aazhamaa baadhicha oru character.
Oru scene sollanumna. Oru barber shopla shaving pannittu cooling glass(with tag) maatitu oru kushiyoda varuvaapla - Only chandrababu' kalyaanam' in the background. Oru mannu dialaakum kidayaadhu. just 'being', that innocent joy, pudhu toy kedacha kozhandha maadhiri. Adhai kamal mattume seiyya mudiyum. seidhu irukkaar. Sivaji fans mannikka..
My grandpa who is my cinema guru - said Sivajiyai thookki sapptutaan kamal after watching Guna preview show. When I saw the 'Kanmani anbodu song' that movement in the cave floor like a puppet was enough to convince me. performance of a lifetime. writing paththi sollanumnaa. andha hyderabad koil poottai odaikkara andha scenes Martin Scorceseyoda endha padaththukkun nerukku neraa ninnu savaal vidakkoodiyavai. kaasu mootayaala adichuttu poradhellaam naan ezudhuradha vida paarkum bodhu innum blood curdlingaairukkum. Adhukku naduvula kozhandhai maadhiri poottai odaikkum kamal. adhukkum nadula oru laddu paattu. Indha complex writing mahanadhila kedayaadhu. Work of a freaking genius all around.

ji! that is what my thaatha said. I think NT would have felt the same. enna dhaan nalla performance panaalum adhai oru aazhamaana padathula nalla 'undeviating' scriptla vechu panni irundhaa innum nallaa irukumlaya.

Though other roles were also once in a lifetime roles, I dont think one can recreate a film like Guna with its shot conception, music and performance - ever. oru character study, scorsese type thrillera maari ange irundhu andha fiat carla pogum bodhu nimishathukku nimisham change aagi - it is a different animal than any other kamal movie. Saritha's voice for that girl roshini - andha voice acting paththi oru nooru paththi ezudhalaam. Girish karnad, SPB, Rekha, S.Varalakshmi, Janagaraj ippadi ellorume out of their type roles la nadichirukkuradhu oru periya relief. some types vidhiyasama hero mattume nadichaale perumayaa pesurom inge ellorume vidhiyasapaduththi nadichirukaradhu romba special. kurippaa pradeep shakthi as Ismail aayaal evida poyee? these days?
Andha 'kuruvi' scene irukkee... enna oru acting, enna oru conception? I wonder if Kamal was on drugs for the film. Oru normal plane of mindla andha padathai conceive panni irukkave mudiyaadhunnen.

[venkkiram]

Oru normal plane of mindla andha padathai conceive panni irukkave mudiyaadhunnen.

இது கமலுக்குப் பொருந்தும். இதைப் பார்க்கக் கூடிய மக்களுக்கும் பொருந்தும்னு நினைக்கிறேன்.

உண்மையா சொல்லனும்னா, குணாவின் பாத்திரப்படைப்பு என் மனதை தொடவில்லை. அவனை மனநோயாளி என்று சொல்வதா, இல்லை ஒழுங்கான மனநிலை உடையவன் எனச் சொல்வதா இந்த பாத்திர வரையறைக்குள்ளேயே என்னால் குணாவை திணிக்க முடியவில்லை. முதலில் பாத்திர குணங்களுக்கு என் மனதில் நான் எல்லைகளை தர/தீட்ட வேண்டும். அப்படி தந்தால்/தர முடிந்தால் தான், என்னால் அந்த பாத்திரப் படைப்போடு சம தளத்தில் பயணிக்க முடியும். ஏன் என்னால் உள்வாங்க முடியவில்லை என்பதை விலாவாரியாக நேரம் கிடைக்கும் போது எழுதுகிறேன். இப்போதைக்கு குணாவைப் பற்றிய சாராம்சம் இதுவே.

[venkkiram]

நமது அலைவரிசைக்கு ஒத்த பிறரது அனுபவங்களை கேட்பதில் ஒரு சுகம் இருக்கிறது.

எனக்கு பிடித்த காட்சிகள் என்ற தலைப்பில் ஒரு முறை சன் தொலைக்காட்சியில் ( பல வருடங்களுக்கு முன்பு ) நடிகர் சின்னி ஜெயந்த் பேசும்போது குறிப்பிட்ட காட்சி.

சலங்கை ஒலி - திடலில் அமர்ந்து, தேசிய அளவில் நடக்கும் நாட்டிய நிகழ்ச்சியின் பத்திரிக்கையை பக்கம் பக்கமாக பிரட்டி பார்த்து, தன் பெயர் இருப்பது தெரிந்து , என்ன செய்வதென்றே தெரியாமல்....

எப்படி என் பெயர் வந்தது என்றவொரு தவிப்பு மற்றும் வியப்பு, எல்லோருக்கும் சமமாக நானும் என்னை வெளிப்படுத்தப் போகிறேன் என்பதில் உள்ள பேரின்பம், மாதவியால் முடிந்தது இது என உணர்ந்து நன்றி நவிலுதல், இதற்கு என்ன கைம்மாறு இந்த பரதேசியால் செய்யமுடியும் என்ற ஏக்கம், நட்பு பாராட்டல்.. இப்படி வாக்கியங்களால் ஒரு குடைக்குள் கொணர முடியாத உணர்ச்சிகளின் திரட்டு அந்தக் காட்சி..

கிடைத்த வாய்ப்பில் பகிர்ந்துகொள்ளப் படும் ஐந்து அல்லது ஆறு காட்சிகளில் இதையும் ஒன்றாக கருதிய சின்னியிடத்தில் சிறந்த ரசிகனையும் கண்டு கொண்டேன்.

[Bala (Karthik)]

I've said this before. From the movies i have seen, IMHO Guna is easily the best performance by any actor ever. Frame by frame.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Link Kodithini (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqMFwNkHjEQ&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=358894815CE21420)

[irir123]

jaiganes - most interestingly, GUNA (telugu version) - i was in hyderabad then - ran for exactly 2 days!!

telugu makkals for some strange reason cudnt digest kamal with that kind of a face!

but it remains an evergreen classic (for me)!

[Bala (Karthik)]

And 'kaali Raaja 'pinnaniyila' mirattura mirattal irukke... (though some of it has been reused from AS)

[tamizharasan]

Link Kodithini (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqMFwNkHjEQ&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=358894815CE21420)

I can't see this link. Can you please paste the contents.

[Sanjeevi]

It is a tough between alomost all the movies in the poll :lol: will vote soon :)

[Bala (Karthik)]

TA,
Guna padatha youtube la part part a potrukkaanga. the link was for the first part

[Movie Cop]

I've said this before. From the movies i have seen, IMHO Guna is easily the best performance by any actor ever. Frame by frame.
Agree. In my real life, I've seen/met mentally retarded people(pardon me if the term is politically/socially incorrect). In fact, enga relatives side-liye oruthar irrukar :( Anaal oru mentally disturbed person-uhh en life-le paarthadhille.
Mentally disturbed person-aaga oruthar irundha, eppadi irrukum enbadhai en kann munnal kondu vandhu niruthiya Kamal-in abaara nadippukku oru salute, bow! :notworthy:
Even putting it rather mildy, Kamal's acting was simply brilliant . :clap:

[tamizharasan]

TA,
Guna padatha youtube la part part a potrukkaanga. the link was for the first part

I thought it was an article. If it is movie then no worries as I have watched this movie several times(lost the count). It is pathetic that many people ignored this movie calling it difficult to understand. IMO it is easily oscar worthy performance for an american actor.

[Bala (Karthik)]

I've said this before. From the movies i have seen, IMHO Guna is easily the best performance by any actor ever. Frame by frame.
Agree. In my real life, I've seen/met mentally retarded people(pardon me if the term is politically/socially incorrect). In fact, enga relatives side-liye oruthar irrukar :( Anaal oru mentally disturbed person-uhh en life-le paarthadhille.
Mentally disturbed person-aaga oruthar irundha, eppadi irrukum enbadhai en kann munnal kondu vandhu niruthiya Kamal-in abaara nadippukku oru salute, bow! :notworthy:
Even putting it rather mildy, Kamal's acting was simply brilliant . :clap:
I haven't seen schizophrenia captured on screen like this before (forget the Hitchcockian MPD nonsense which has a cult following and is omnipresent in the film world, unfortunately).
I know a schizophrenia patient. There are many types of schizophrenia with varying symptoms and this person did not usually exhibit the delusional symptoms that Guna perpetually seems to have. However, from time to time, this person becomes dull and withdrawn as a result of hallucinations caused due to the disease itself and also if the medication or the dosage goes wrong and the way he speaks, the way his eyes look at that time, can be related to Guna. I am convinced that this is one performance like no other. IMO, its not just a question of observing someone and merely mimicking the actions. Even that in itself is no mean task!

[Bala (Karthik)]

In my opinion, the 'look', the 'face' Jaiganes refers to (the "Kalyanam" song in the post-shaving scene, in the laddu distribution scene) is extremely difficult to get (its also aided by nature, some people can get that look, some can't) because it can easily turn into a crowd-pleasing clown act.
You can see the sadder version of this achieved by Appu (Aboorva Sagodharargal) also. Idhellam make-up, getup, ku appaarpattadhu

[jaiganes]

I've said this before. From the movies i have seen, IMHO Guna is easily the best performance by any actor ever. Frame by frame.
Agree. In my real life, I've seen/met mentally retarded people(pardon me if the term is politically/socially incorrect). In fact, enga relatives side-liye oruthar irrukar :( Anaal oru mentally disturbed person-uhh en life-le paarthadhille.
Mentally disturbed person-aaga oruthar irundha, eppadi irrukum enbadhai en kann munnal kondu vandhu niruthiya Kamal-in abaara nadippukku oru salute, bow! :notworthy:
Even putting it rather mildy, Kamal's acting was simply brilliant . :clap:
I haven't seen schizophrenia captured on screen like this before (forget the Hitchcockian MPD nonsense which has a cult following and is omnipresent).
I know a schizophrenia patient. There are many types of schizophrenia with varying symptoms and this person did not usually exhibit the delusional symptoms that Guna perpetually seems to have. However, from time to time, this person becomes dull and withdrawn as a result of hallucinations caused due to the disease itself and also if the medication or the dosage goes wrong and the way he speaks, the way his eyes look at that time, can be related to Guna. I am convinced that this is one performance like no other. IMO, its not just a question of observing someone and merely mimicking the actions. Even that in itself is no mean task!
Guna is someone who does not have a grip on reality. Even mentally challenged (congenitally) have an idea of what 'reality' is. For guna reality is the shame he is suffering through and the only way out is 'the celestial bliss' offered by communion with Abhirami as suggested by another inmate who doesnt understand the veiled symbolisms of Abhirami Andhadhi.
The result is a Guna who is neither a psycopath in search of transformation to escape his complex like a Francis Dollarhyde in 'Red Dragon' (awesome novel by Thomas Harris) nor is he a benevolent and harmless creature with a vivid imagination. He is technically in netherland, hating his current 'reality' while oblivious to the 'fantastic' nature of his reality and in comes a set of weird coincidences leading to his 'Abhirami' and the eternal freedom from his reality which was too cruel. The interesting aspect is again 'symmetry' . There is city and civil society where guna is a patient slipped from reality and then there is the forest where someone absolutely normal (Roshini) finds that Guna is the only normal person while everyone else is absolutely ma, including the police inspector who has little patience for anything. Though appearing as a movie an actor made for showcasing himself, it is in reality a narrative loaded with more than enough subtexts and allegories that can fill easily a PhD. thesis. I used to sit and wonder even about the presence of moustache for Guna while he is in the forest to a clean shaven, 'puppet' Guna. Is there an implied longing for absolute masculinity and independence in Guna written but not shown explicitly? That and many more such ponderings are to be explored while meditating on Guna....

[tamizharasan]

If you concentrate on one thing all the time even a genius person will look like mentally retarded and that is what happens to Kamal in Guna.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Guna is someone who does not have a grip on reality. Even mentally challenged (congenitally) have an idea of what 'reality' is
Yes, but a couple of nitpicks here:
Most of his cognitive functions are in place and he is not our street signal "madman" and in that sense, he is in tune with reality. It is in the delusional sense that you explain (he does not want this reality and constantly seeks the other) that he is in another world.
Secondly, after medication, there is a slight change in behavior where he is prone to depressive behavior (Kannu kutti scene)
I mean to say, i don't see this merely as a convenient cinematic explanation like "he has been a wimp all his life so something within him gives way and he becomes Anniyan" or "he is bored with his uneventful life that he invents his fantasy unconsciously and lives it" etc..

The cause may be due to chemical imbalances or some trauma or maybe from birth itself. Whatever it may be, as you pointed out, it is the 'symmetry' between a "disturbed" individual who believes in and is in search of an alternate reality (the only reality which matters to him) and the actually mad cruel world stuck in its reality.
I think it is a statement on how the world perceives, understands and tolerates 'insanity'

[Bala (Karthik)]

And the trick was in not making it like a preachy, educational, feel good film

[jaiganes]

And the trick was in not making it like a preachy, educational, feel good film
To be frank, the life of Roshini is the real tragedy in the movie. Guna was always standing on one leg atop a building....

[kid-glove]

The cause may be due to chemical imbalances or some trauma or maybe from birth itself. Whatever it may be, as you pointed out, it is the 'symmetry' between a "disturbed" individual who believes in and is in search of an alternate reality (the only reality which matters to him) and the actually mad cruel world stuck in its reality.I think it is a statement on how the world perceives, understands and tolerates 'insanity'

I would say less self-induced than we would like to believe. The inhibitions are external. The physical appearance by birth, the fatherless child brought up in the brothel, led on by many others since then, by Chithappa, inmate, or what have you. The traumas emerge from 'outside' than one's own self. The 'determining' (or 'fate' as one might want to call it) is world's. So the absence of 'free will' is huge crevice through which the film operates.

Thereby, the world ironically perceives, understands or tolerates its own making, or its own 'failing'.

[Movie Cop]

I've said this before. From the movies i have seen, IMHO Guna is easily the best performance by any actor ever. Frame by frame.
Agree. In my real life, I've seen/met mentally retarded people(pardon me if the term is politically/socially incorrect). In fact, enga relatives side-liye oruthar irrukar :( Anaal oru mentally disturbed person-uhh en life-le paarthadhille.
Mentally disturbed person-aaga oruthar irundha, eppadi irrukum enbadhai en kann munnal kondu vandhu niruthiya Kamal-in abaara nadippukku oru salute, bow! :notworthy:
Even putting it rather mildy, Kamal's acting was simply brilliant . :clap:
I haven't seen schizophrenia captured on screen like this before (forget the Hitchcockian MPD nonsense which has a cult following and is omnipresent in the film world, unfortunately).
I know a schizophrenia patient. There are many types of schizophrenia with varying symptoms and this person did not usually exhibit the delusional symptoms that Guna perpetually seems to have. However, from time to time, this person becomes dull and withdrawn as a result of hallucinations caused due to the disease itself and also if the medication or the dosage goes wrong and the way he speaks, the way his eyes look at that time, can be related to Guna. I am convinced that this is one performance like no other. IMO, its not just a question of observing someone and merely mimicking the actions. Even that in itself is no mean task!
Exactly! Only an actor of Kamal's calibre/genius can do these kind of roles with aplomb.
Kamal-ukku tough roles ellaam nalla mattum varale... Remba easy ya-vum varudhu. That pretty much sums up the difference betweem him and the rest of the actors. :D

[equanimus]

A great discussion here, folks, and some excellent points by Bala. I agree that this is a truly marvelous performance. Some say it's over-the-top, but honestly, I think it's really to do with a sense of 'denial' with respect to how far an actor can go. Otherwise I think this is really a very finely nuanced performance in every sense.

(forget the Hitchcockian MPD nonsense which has a cult following and is omnipresent in the film world, unfortunately)
:twisted: The MPD nonsense you're referring to (a la Donald Kaufman) has nothing to do with Hitchcock, I say!

[kid-glove]

:lol:

I am one among cult followers of Hitchcock's split-personality disorder (in Psycho). I don't really think he made too many "MPD" films. He brought out various psychological disorders. Traumas from childhood or specific incidents/accidents in their lives that it creates the guilt and disassociation of their own personality through amnesia and PTSD etc. I believe Hitch was fully aware of what he is doing. The problem might be the extreme inspirations that followed. The pinnacle of extremity is in De Palma's "Dressed to kill" (which I thoroughly liked).

[Bala (Karthik)]

And the trick was in not making it like a preachy, educational, feel good film
To be frank, the life of Roshini is the real tragedy in the movie. Guna was always standing on one leg atop a building....
Perhaps but remember, apart from being rich, she didn't have much going for her either(*)

(*)idhellam summa cinema talk, vaazhkainnu vandhutta if somebody is rich, a LOT is going for him/her :twisted:

[groucho070]

:lol:

I am one among cult followers of Hitchcock's split-personality disorder (in Psycho). I don't really think he made too many "MPD" films.True, but the one in Spellbound is what the Brits would call, "Balderdash" :evil: Of course, we all know that the best representation of MPD on screen was accomplished by Sanggar & Vikram few years back :P

[kid-glove]

:lol:

I am one among cult followers of Hitchcock's split-personality disorder (in Psycho). I don't really think he made too many "MPD" films.True, but the one in Spellbound is what the Brits would call, "Balderdash" :evil:

Which, according to the master, was intentional. It was stretched so much that it turned out too implausible for our cognitive powers. :P When Bala posted his comments on the film, he posted Hitch's quote. I was a bit surprised of sheer dismissal as "psuedo-psychological". I would say "conjectural-psychology" is more appropriate. :P

Trivia: Great Anton Chekhov's nephew Michael acts in the film as Dr. Brulov. His renowned method of acting is being used by Clint among other star-actors. :clap:


we all know that the best representation of MPD on screen was accomplished by Sanggar & Vikram few years back

:lol:

The best representation of MPD on hub is achieved by yours truly. My tempestuous alter-ego by nom-de-guerre, Anban, might have to blast meself for the digressive post. So, Kamal Vazhga. 8-)

[groucho070]

The best representation of MPD on hub is achieved by yours truly. My tempestuous alter-ego by nom-de-guerre, Anban, might have to blast meself for the digressive post. So, Kamal Vazhga. 8-) :lol: :oops2: Kamal Vazhga!

[Bala (Karthik)]

When Bala posted his comments on the film, he posted Hitch's quote. I was a bit surprised of sheer dismissal as "psuedo-psychological". I would say "conjectural-psychology" is more appropriate. :P

:lol: Enna da ivan Freud range ku dismiss panraan nu kooda nenaikkalaam :oops: Ennamo enakku appadi thana thonichu.

[Anban]

The best representation of MPD on hub is achieved by yours truly. My tempestuous alter-ego by nom-de-guerre, Anban, might have to blast meself for the digressive post. So, Kamal Vazhga. 8-) :lol: :oops2: Kamal Vazhga! ada ennappaa ithu.. elllorum enna etho oru rowdy payyala pola treat panraanga.. :lol:

[Bala (Karthik)]

ரஜினி பற்றி சொல்லும் போது கமலைப்பற்றியும் சொல்லி ஆகவேண்டியுள்ளது,
பாலா இதற்கு வேறு ஒருதிரியில் மறுப்பும் கிண்டலும் வெளியிடுவார். :-)

"Veru oru thiri"yo giriyo, idhu dhaan Kamal nadippai pathi pesara thiri. So inga solradhu dhaan correct. and why kindal ya? Normal ave pesuvom :wink:



கமல் நடிப்பு ஒரு திமிங்கலத்தின் நீச்சல் போன்றது. சாதாரணமான நீச்சல் அல்ல அது
கடலின் அகல பரிமாணங்களை முழுக்க அளக்க நினைக்கும் வெறியே அதன் உந்து சக்தி.
சமயத்தில் அது நமக்கு ஒருவித குழப்பத்தயே உண்டு பண்ணலாம். ஆனால் அந்த முயற்சியின்
பாடங்கள் பின்வரும் வெற்றி முயற்சிகளுக்கான விதைகளாக பரிமளிக்கும்.


Jai, you have been going on and on about Kamal's "muyarchi nadippu". I was watching Aadi velli from moondru mudichu the other day. adhu natural(on par with all 'natural' efforts of rajni) illainA, what do you mean by natural?

Kamal' acting style cannot be pigeon holed as you are doing.

:exactly:

Jaiganes,
I've been meaning to respond to this point about the so-called "natural" acting, "effortless" acting, anti-look-ma-i'm-acting bits. In fact i did respond. Here it is again

Firstly, acting is not like eating the cream off a pastry. It involves effort, training and hard work. Its just that not everybody who puts in hard work can be an actor. You need talent and channeling it requires *effort*. Yeah there is spontaneity and ad-libbing but more often than not, shots require rehearsals.

Secondly, there is a thing called comfort zone. For every jeeva raasi, certain things come naturally and more easily than others

For example, playing a suave young tycoon might come 'naturally' for someone like Run beer Kapoor. For Madhavan, doing AE would not have been 'natural'. There's a comfort zone for every actor. For some actors, either the zone is big or they just push their abilities beyond their comfort zones better than others. For the rarest of rare, its very difficult to identify if there is any comfort zone. They are the greatest.
Thalabadhi - the scenes were Rajini has to explode - he struggles compared to the other scenes in the movie he does very well.
That outburst against Shobana, the scene after the marriage with Banupriya.
Or how about the comedy scenes in Thambikku Endha Ooru/Annamalai, Veera, Dharmathin Thalaivan? Yeah, they were funny but 'natural', 'effortless'? - No!
In comedy, his 'natural/effortless' area would be in Kodi Parakkudhu, Guru Sishyan etc...

Thirdly, (IMO this is the most important point) there is no single silver bullet "solution" or universal "way" of acting. People act differently in different circumstances. Even in the same circumstance, two people may not react the same way. So, a blanket statment like "Rajini acts effortlessly, Kamal tries to put in a lot of effort", "Kamal tries to show off and doesn't care about the script even when he himself is the script writer!", "Kamal wants to impress by acting while other actors are out to do the good old social service or avenge their mother's death" (repeat telecast. Kindly bear with me) - is just plain absurd and does not make an iota of sense.
I've said this before. Going by your definition, Nadigar Thilagam in Vietnam Veedu should be torn to shreds. That's one powerhouse of a performance? Did he have to put in effort? Hell, yeah i'm sure!
Were his reactions "subtle"? (what you people would call 'natural', 'golden fish in an aquarium' etc)- NO? Why? because the role was like that!! Prestige Padmanabhan cannot be Johny.
Kamal has done his share of "cool" "subtle" "natural" "elaneer" (or whatever you chose to call it) roles. Sigappu Rojakkal, Aval Appadithaan, Mikkolu, VV, UPO etc.
And by 'natural' if you mean restrained reactions, calm demeanour, minimal use of facial muscles there would be many scenes in different movies which would warrant those reactions. You can't and shouldn't be a Clint Eastwood in every scene or film.
A Nadigar Thilagam or Kamal cannot just keep acting like Elaneers irrespective of the script. The sheer range of roles they have played is testimony to this. I would like to see any 'natural' actor in a role like Nandu, Guna, prestige Padmanabhan or a VPKB and lets see how 'effortless' it seems!

[Bala (Karthik)]

And pray tell how one would classify a performance like Pushpak :huh:

[Plum]

The best representation of MPD on hub is achieved by yours truly. My tempestuous alter-ego by nom-de-guerre, Anban, might have to blast meself for the digressive post. So, Kamal Vazhga. 8-)
The best representation of MPD in HUB has been achieved by yours truly. My sakalakalavallavan alter-ego by nom-de-guerre Bala Karthik has given enough clues for you to figure this but nIngallAm avLO pakkuva padala :-)




vishnuvaradhan, KSRkku Maniratnam parava illa solradhellam kooda avoid pannalaam.......
Maddy,
Plum just said indha pasangalukku ellam padam panradhukku Mani kooda panlaame. This is not undermining Mani. Rather it means, since the perceived problem with Kamal is "give and take" and when he can "give and take" with VV, KSR etc why not with Mani

[P_R]

Elaneers ?

[Bala (Karthik)]

(On 58 kErattu) "Motha edayum thangam sollavandhenga.. velakkenna madhiri kettukittu" :lol: :razz:

'Cool'nu solradhunaala elaneer nu sonnen

[breadpuli]

And pray tell how one would classify a performance like Pushpak :huh:

In the beginning of the movie, thalaivar sees a lady at the ground floor wearing a saree (or changing dress) and smiles to himself. That one scene is enough to showcase he can do the so called "subtle" acting.

[Plum]

Elaneers ?
No offence but the nick for the 70's kamal (especially sattam en kayil etc) in my family circles is "Elaneer thalaiyan".

I am applying for anticipatory bail now :-)

[Bala (Karthik)]

He looked his worst then (very early BW days). Hair style, moush and all :lol: :oops:

[kid-glove]

The best representation of MPD on hub is achieved by yours truly. My tempestuous alter-ego by nom-de-guerre, Anban, might have to blast meself for the digressive post. So, Kamal Vazhga. 8-) :lol: :oops2: Kamal Vazhga! ada ennappaa ithu.. elllorum enna etho oru rowdy payyala pola treat panraanga.. :lol:

We will talk this over...inside my head. Like Danny and Tony.

[kid-glove]

My sakalakalavallavan alter-ego by nom-de-guerre Bala Karthik has given enough clues for you to figure this but nIngallAm avLO pakkuva padala :-)

Non possible. When you have disassociated personalties, they conflict. You guys got it fundamentally wrong there. Bala would even say that to be pseudo-psychological. :P

You guys are buddies against being a persona non grata like Anban, I and LM are to each other. :poke:

[Anban]

My sakalakalavallavan alter-ego by nom-de-guerre Bala Karthik has given enough clues for you to figure this but nIngallAm avLO pakkuva padala :-)

Non possible. When you have disassociated personalties, they conflict. You guys got it fundamentally wrong there. Bala would even say that to be pseudo-psychological. :P

You guys are buddies against being a persona non grata like Anban, I and LM are to each other. :poke: :twisted: :evil:

oorukkulla ennoda peru sema damage aayirukkubaa..

btw, enna ithu GRE words use pannaale overu, ithu maathiri french ellaam pottu :banghead:

[HonestRaj]

unga discussionai thisai thirupparEn :mrgreen:

Revisited......

SINGARAVELAN----- oooooooooo ho.. sari.. aaaaaaaaah ha

* Me & my room mates watched this together.... right from the begining.. ".... kalyanam panni kootittu vandhu yethiruppenEmma (pause) kuthu viLakkai" we were in :rotfl3: :rotfl3:

* Endha vidha extra make-up / get-up illama, azhaga, simple-ah, relaxed aana Kamal ..... sooooo nice to watch him like this (for me) :notworthy:

* Kushboo.... looks good in some parts.. looks old, esp in saree.. but not as great in MMKR / My Dear Marthandan

* Dialogues from Panchu Arunachalam.. siladhu sAdharanama irundhalum.. Kamal & Co made it enjoyable

* Isaignani ..... ella pAdalgalilum + title BGM... idham idham.. <own production'ah illattiyum oru comedy padama irundhalum indha uzhaippu irukkumnu nambugirEn>

* Next to mention: Vadivelu ..... he owes a lot to Kamal for his position in TFI :yes: .. padathula avarOda role.. oru kadai nilai comedian... but he gets more screen space than Charlie & some solo scenes with Kamal, which shud be shared by the top comedian in the film (yarunu solla thevai illai)...

* andha moongil kuchiyila Oottai pOttu 1 mani nerama vAsikkiradhu ...... once upon a time IR's Boss --- Music Director G K VENKATESH

* kamal's theevira rasigargal palarukkE indha padam mokkayAna padamnu mun oru murai kooriya nyabgam.... aana padam partha nanga siricha siripukku aLavE illai....

* Honourable mention: Vennira Aadai Moorthy & his dialogue delivery :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

* Finally...... & finally....... the MAN.... mr. DRUMS MANI :notworthy: :notworthy: karuvattu koodaya mOppam pidikkiradhula irundhu.. kamal'e.... konjam summa iruyya'nu solra aLavukku ... pattay kelappuraru...

to mention a few:

- sondhathula kalyanam panna kozhandhaikku health problem varumnu message

- amuk... & the whole scene

- sumathi ponnu sumathi ponnu --- Gounder pAda (oru kattathula Mano'va overtake panniduvaru).. adhukku Kamal vAi asaikka.. :clap: :clap:

- similar to Major - Rubber.. VAM & GM had a conv... in my medical history - pala pEra konnurukkiya (same modulation as VAM's english)

- onnu rendu scenela Vadivelu'va football aadiduvaru

[Aalavanthan]

unga discussionai thisai thirupparEn :mrgreen:

Revisited......

SINGARAVELAN----- oooooooooo ho.. sari.. aaaaaaaaah ha

Idhaan flash news madhiri VV threadliyae vandhuduchae :D

[HonestRaj]

unga discussionai thisai thirupparEn :mrgreen:

Revisited......

SINGARAVELAN----- oooooooooo ho.. sari.. aaaaaaaaah ha

Idhaan flash news madhiri VV threadliyae vandhuduchae :D

yAnai varum pinnE.. mani Osai varum munnE :)

[venkkiram]

சலங்கை ஒலி: பிடித்த காட்சிகளில் இதுவும் ஒன்று.

from 6.56 to 9.50 mins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV-smzc09Cw&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=358894815CE21420)

பாலுவின் போக்கை விரும்பாமல் அவனது நெருங்கிய நண்பன் உன் சகவாசமே வேணாம் என கோவித்துக்கொண்டு போகிறான்.. நண்பனது மனது மாற , அவனின் கவிதைகளில் ஒன்றான..

"கலையாத நினைவு நான்
விலகாத உறவு நான்
சிதையேறும் போதிலும்
மறையாத பந்தம்
விலகாது நண்பனே
நமதான சிநேகம்"

என்ற கவிதையையே பாடி அவனது மனம் மாற வைப்பது, அதைத் தொடர்ந்து பாலு வெளிப்படுத்தும் உணர்ச்சிகமான நடிப்பும் மனதை தொடுபவை..

[Anban]

saw Ninaithaale Inikkum..

i have seen parts of this movie before..

btw.. whats a gud movie?? logic, entertainment ellaame irukattum.. but still.. nammala sirikka vatchu, santhosa padavatchu antha characters-oda attach panraangale.. athu :thumbsup:

i really liked it..

balachandhar, thalaivan, rajini, jayapradha and above all MSV !!! :clap:

as the title card reads, "ithu oru thenisai malai" :yes:

[Anban]

btw, written by Sujatha :clap:

[P_R]

I have already ground this dough in this thread. Now on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA2GGw1D9CI)

[MADDY]

I have already ground this dough in this thread. Now on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA2GGw1D9CI)

superb piece yaa :clap:

u must do this for entire Hey ram movie.... will be worth buying a DVD if u do so :bow: ofcourse, maqbool, kaminey-kku ellam panna double rate kuduthhu vaanguvom :wink:

[venkkiram]

I have already ground this dough in this thread. Now on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA2GGw1D9CI)

உங்களைப் போன்றோரின் சேவை மிகவும் தேவை. விமர்சனக்கலையும் புழுதியில் எறியப்பட்ட வீணைதான். உங்களைப் போன்றோர்கள் மனது வைத்தால், அக்கலையும் சீரமைக்கப் படும். தலைப்பில், "மகாநதி" என்ற பதத்தையும் இணையுங்கள். நிறைய மக்கள் பார்க்க வருவார்கள்.

[Roshan]

I have already ground this dough in this thread. Now on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA2GGw1D9CI)

:clap: Continue.. :thumbsup:

[joe]

PR :thumbsup:

[P_R]

நன்றி ! :-)

Roshan , avtar change owes to recent speech, eh ? :-)

[Roshan]

நன்றி ! :-)

Roshan , avtar change owes to recent speech, eh ? :-)

Yes as a mark of appreciation. As long as I know this is the first time I have seen a leading hero being honest and upfront in Thamizh film industry with regard to the particular subject.

[Thirumaran]

PR :thumbsup: :clap:

[kid-glove]

P_R,
Enticing :thumbsup:

[P_R]

Thanks TM !
k-g :lol: orE binary choice-A pOchchu.

[Cinefan]

நன்றி ! :-)

Roshan , avtar change owes to recent speech, eh ? :-)

Yes as a mark of appreciation. As long as I know this is the first time I have seen a leading hero being honest and upfront in Thamizh film industry with regard to the particular subject.

Am out of the loop.What speech??????

[P_R]

Kizhinjidhu...oru puyalE adichu..poottu pOttu vachchurukkOm :lol2:

Search for Ajith on youtube, it shows up as one of the first 2-3 videos itself.

[Aalavanthan]

Continuing here...


. PKS, except for the death of his thatha, is a class act..



WHAT???!!!!
that was an excellent sequence

one of kamals performances was in that particular sequence..

"sokka sonniye kai naatu kammunaatinu"

"naan vonaangula thaatha..andha ponnuthaan vonantruchu"
atlast "sorry-nga" to simran in a very sentimental scene maintaining his charecterization.. :clap: :clap: :notworthy:

Vivs...
The discussion was mainly from the comical perspective.. The scenes in PKS especially the said one, gave the movie a unavoidable dip, as other tamil movies just before the "grand" climax.

[Aalavanthan]

.. Looks like there are several Kamal fans with difference of opinions about their best choice of Comedy films.. Just wanted to list down the comedy movies post MMKR and for further discussions..

Michael Madhana Kama Rajan
Avvai Shanmugi
Kadhala Kadhala
Magalir Mattum
Thenali
Pancha Thandhiram
Pammal uvae Sammadham
Vasool Raja MBBS
Mumbai Xpress

Which do you think is THE best

PS. Thanks to Equa for putting word in my thoughts

[Vivasaayi]

AV,

U cant call it a dip.Definitely I wont call it a dip :)

even if u consider comic elements panchathanthiram wont come near pks when it comes to entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg6XE9kWKrE&feature=related

sorry-nga at 6:10

and the first 1.5 minutes of the video- absolutely awesome performance...madras baashai pesuna podhadhu..adhulaye ella feelingayum kondu varanum :clap:

[Bala (Karthik)]

Agree with Vikki. That is my favorite scene in PKS

[Aalavanthan]

It will be a tough competition between PKS and PT.

The basic difference between our arguements is that your views are solely on the Kamal's performance in the movie but I am talking about overall performances along with the screenplay, dialogues which need to include all 5 main characters of the movie.

Having said that, with the set of 5 friends who went to watch PKS, I was the only one who laughed my ass off when the others couldnt understand the comical sense of his dialogues.. But at the sametime, I think PT for me, stands a bit taller than PKS.

"unna vecchhi oru kolai kooda panna mudiyaadhu"
"unakum iruku adha konjam pothitu iru da"

Bala called the first part of this movie as a usual blade from crazy, but I found it extremely hilarious. Ofcourse I must admit the actual movie starts from the wedding scene of Kamal-Simran with the Naadhas - pEEE :D

[P_R]

PKS - humor, senti, kErattarisations - everything is way above Punch.

Senti in particular showcases some of Kamal's best acting this decade.

கமல் நேச்சுரல் இல்லை, முயற்சி நடிப்பு 'ன்றவங்களுக்கு போட்டு காமிக்கணும்

[P_R]

AV, I probably what is dismissed as Crazy 'blade' more than most other here. The more juvenile and groan inducing it is - the more appealing I usually find it. KAdhalA KAdhalA டேய்டோய் குடும்பத்துக்கு ellAm kooda sirippEn.

PKS வேற லெவலுங்க.


Simran: Suppose aachunnA
Kamal: எனக்கு சப்போஸும் ஆவாது ஒண்ணியும் ஆவாது.

:rotfl2:
idhellAm eppidinga ezhudha mudiyum

Equa has this uncontestable theory that it is Kamal himself infusing a lot into the writing/characterization of PKS that make it the movie it is.

[Vivasaayi]

PKS வேற லெவலுங்க.


Simran: Suppose aachunnA
Kamal: எனக்கு சப்போஸும் ஆவாது ஒண்ணியும் ஆவாது.



:lol:

அப்ப horn-a கண்டுபிடிச்சது மலையாளி-ன்ற? :lol:

[Plum]

Sammandham aNNan banian size is 42.
(Discussion ends)

[MADDY]

to me 5tricks is very personal and i prefer it better over PKS.......5tricks ofcourse has the failings of a KSR movie but still the comedy was not at all blade....

reddy, after dashing the auto with his car, stands along with crowd to escape beatings - idha kooda ezhudha mudiyaadhu :lol: ......i felt this was more close to my all time fav. MMKR - the first night conversations between delhi ganesh and kamal on either side of the doors - thats dialogue choregraphy yaa :bow:

[P_R]

Sriman as Reddy is hilarious.
Simran: annaiyyA-nA aNNan dhaanE ?
Sriman: aamaa...ungaLukku telungu teriyumA :lol:

[P_R]

நம்மவர்

K: ப்ரின்ஸ்பல் எங்க ?
மதன்பாப்: அவர் ப்ரின்ஸ்பால் இல்லையா அதான் நல்ல இடமா பாத்து ஒளிஞ்சிக்டார்..நீங்க ?
K: நான் உங்க ஜாதி தான்
ம: (with an all welcoming smile) நாய்டுவா :rotfl:

Silly joke but the immediate வாஞ்சை in Madanbob's face is very funny

[littlemaster1982]

Sriman as Reddy is hilarious.
Simran: annaiyyA-nA aNNan dhaanE ?
Sriman: aamaa...ungaLukku telungu teriyumA :lol:

Kamal's retort was even more hilarious. "Yen theriyalainna katthu kudukka poriya?" :rotfl2:

[Vivasaayi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqW_rGlPlko

sadma climax - improvised from M.P.

but works our very well...especially from 2:40 to 3:20...

the part where he slips naturally and cries in pain is too good - at 3:15

[Aalavanthan]

to me 5tricks is very personal and i prefer it better over PKS.......5tricks ofcourse has the failings of a KSR movie but still the comedy was not at all blade....



:clap: Maddy, appadaa indha oru vishayathilaavadhu othu pogudhae :lol:

Analyzing the characters...

Jayaram - Tricky yet cunning of the 4 (enna Nair solidalaama, Maggi vandhu namma (Kamal wants to say Nair, but Nair chips in with a pat on Kamal's shoulder and says namma Reddy's sister) :lol:

The way he laughs when Maggi keeps Reddy's business card in the bra locker... "aiyooo"

We must use our brains nu thalaivar sollumbodhu kosu kadi ki nu nivaaranam seivaarae with one leg on air ... I definitely :rotfl3: ed

[joe]

For me 5Thanthiram >> PKS

[Aalavanthan]

PKS வேற லெவலுங்க.


Simran: Suppose aachunnA
Kamal: எனக்கு சப்போஸும் ஆவாது ஒண்ணியும் ஆவாது.



:lol:

அப்ப horn-a கண்டுபிடிச்சது மலையாளி-ன்ற? :lol:

:lol: aiyo kartharE.. (oh avarA)

[equanimus]

Actually everyone (of the quintet) is just fantastic in 'panchathanthiram.' Sriman's evasive action in the road accident scene that Maddy has quoted here is one of my favourite moments in the film. ("mAma dEvudu!" :lol:) Ramesh Aravind is probably the least noticed, but even he is very good.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Bala called the first part of this movie as a usual blade from crazy, but I found it extremely hilarious. Ofcourse I must admit the actual movie starts from the wedding scene of Kamal-Simran with the Naadhas - pEEE :D
:shock: First half la dhaan joke thodarndhu varum nu sonnen. Second half sumaar. However, just remembered that Manivannan just owns the climax :rotfl3:

[Bala (Karthik)]

Sriman's evasive action in the road accident scene that Maddy has quoted here is one of my favourite moments in the film. ("mAma dEvudu!" :lol:)
:rotfl:
First half la neraya idathula timing, service orchestration/choreography ellam nachu nu irukkum

[Bala (Karthik)]

reddy, after dashing the auto with his car, stands along with crowd to escape beatings - idha kooda ezhudha mudiyaadhu :lol: thats dialogue choregraphy yaa :bow:
Idhoda beauty-a highlight panra vidhama: Idhe concept vechu oru full Vadivel comedy piece irukkum (Bus la kambiya pidikkaama gun madhiri varra scene). Though i find that scene hilarious, in Punch the frenetic pace at which that section moves in and the choreography is at a different level. Aahaa, inga padikka/ezhudhambodhu, padathoda sila pala nalla amsangal nenavukku varudhu :oops: :lol:
Commercial reasons enna remba baadhichirukku!

[equanimus]

Actually the entire road accident scene is hilarious. The ensuing dialogue between these guys and Nagesh has some sidesplitting signature Crazy Mohan moments/lines ("adhukku dhAn kAla meRichchadhu!" "oru kambenikku?" :lol:). But the obscure, weirdly funny conversation between Kamal and Nagesh is also a favourite. The latter first misinterprets the "where" question as a spatial one and the former embraces it, so to speak!

Kamal: "ip.. enga uttEn?"
Nagesh: "inga!"
Kamal: "illallalla.. aan!"
Nagesh: "inga dhAnE?"
Kamal: "a(n)han, inga!" :lol2:

[equanimus]

My complaint about 'panchathanthiram' (or 'kAdhalA kAdhalA' for that matter) is that it's often just too wordy. People tirelessly keep cracking jokes as if there's no tomorrow. The characters are defined in such broad strokes, there's little vitality to them outside the plot and they basically just serve the plot. The laidback genius of PKS on the other hand is something else.

[venkkiram]

கமலின் நகைச்சுவைப் படங்களில்,

அவ்வை சண்முகி > பஞ்ச தந்திரம் > ம.ம.கா.ராஜன் > தெனாலி > சதி லீலாவதி >> காதலா காதலா >>> ப.கே.சம்பந்தம்.

[kid-glove]

My complaint about 'panchathanthiram' (or 'kAdhalA kAdhalA' for that matter) is that it's often just too wordy. People tirelessly keep cracking jokes as if there's no tomorrow. The characters are defined in such broad strokes, there's little vitality to them outside the plot and they basically just serve the plot.

But what's wrong with an all-out farce? Due credit needs to be paid, to Kamal, for trying out different styles and strokes.

[Aalavanthan]

My complaint about 'panchathanthiram' (or 'kAdhalA kAdhalA' for that matter) is that it's often just too wordy. People tirelessly keep cracking jokes as if there's no tomorrow. The characters are defined in such broad strokes, there's little vitality to them outside the plot and they basically just serve the plot.

But what's wrong with an all-out farce? Due credit needs to be paid, to Kamal, for trying out different styles and strokes.

I was about to type whatever you said.. We know that Crazy-Kamal combo would work out with the best of the dialogues and that too with 5 characters (all noisy) , I am not surprised that the movie had too much of dialogues.

I still cant get enough of all the dialogues that I have watched this movie to concentrate on each character.. especially the "Ugadhi" celebration scene with all the characters involving in funny acts is :lol:

And later after the entry of Jr. Nair, it adds more fun along with the existing characters..

"edhu telugu thathava konnuteengalaa"
"Police-aaaaa adhuku aadhaaram"
"idho paarunga enakum thoppai iruku.. naan kooda police thaan"
"vairam engannu sollungaiyaa " :lol: the most commonly used phrase among my friends circle if something is lost..

[Aalavanthan]

"oru kambenikku?" :lol:). :

He will actually have his left hand still and doo a reel sutthify with the right hand..

[tamizharasan]

One great thing about Crazy - Kamal combination is to buy time by asking questions during the dialogues to come up with a lie.

For example in MMKR

Kushboo: annaikku kEttathukku subramania raju'nnu sonneenga, innaikku kettathukka madan solreenga.

Kamal: Haan sonnEn. en appadi sonnEnnu sollunga paakkalaam. (extends the dialogue so that he can come up with lie).

Kusboo: (After thinking for sometime ) TheriyalaiyE.

Kamal: appadi kElunga. en muzhu pEru madan'thaan. Ana ellarum surukkama sellama subramaniya raju'nnu kooppiduvAnga.

Kushboo: oh appadiya(with disbelief).

This is an unbelievable comedy. What a combo.

[Aalavanthan]

Bala called the first part of this movie as a usual blade from crazy, but I found it extremely hilarious. Ofcourse I must admit the actual movie starts from the wedding scene of Kamal-Simran with the Naadhas - pEEE :D
:shock: First half la dhaan joke thodarndhu varum nu sonnen. Second half sumaar. However, just remembered that Manivannan just owns the climax :rotfl3:

indha edathula light-aa timing miss aayiduchu :P .. nexttu meet pannuvom

Manivannan - Darling.. indha costume-la namma rendu paerum saendhu photo eduthupomaa :lol:

[venkkiram]

அ.சண்முகியில், நாகேஷ் வரும் ஆரம்பக் காட்சிகள் அருமை.

சண்முகி வேடம் போடலாம் என முடிவெடுத்தபின், வேண்டா விருப்புடன் மீசையை சவரம் செய்யும் கமல்,

நாகேஷ் : ஏன்யா, இப்படி குலுங்குற..இப்ப என்னஉசிரா போச்சி .. __றுதானே போச்சி, விடு ! எடு!

அப்படின்னு சொல்லிட்டு, கையில் உள்ள முடியை அகற்ற ஆரம்பித்து, அப்புறம் முட்டிக்காலுக்கு கீழே இருக்கும் முடியை வழித்துவிட்டு, அதோடு சும்மா இருக்க மாட்டார். சவரம் செய்யும் கடைகளில், நம்மால் நேரிடையாக பார்க்க முடியாதவற்றை கண்ணாடி வைத்து பார்த்து தெரிந்து கொள்வது போல, கமலின் காலையும் கண்ணாடியில் பிரதிபலிப்பார். கமல் தலையில் அடித்துக்கொள்வார். க்ளாசிக்.

[kid-glove]

Let's be honest folks, I laugh a lot more at farcical situations, and sweary, physical and toilet humor with pop references thrown in between. In fact, I protest against a taut comedy of errors all the time, I prefer a screwball or mindless farce then and there. My choice (of picking one to watch) swings from MMKR to Mumbai Xpress (underrated till date !) to PKS to Panchathanthiram depending on mood-swings.

As a valuable piece-de-resistance in its meticulous construction, MMKR is peerless. But between Panchathanthiram vs PKS, there isn't a clear distinction. They function well in their own right.

[equanimus]

KG/AV,
Oh, nothing wrong about being an all-out farce per se. Except that it's overly familiar and stock. I don't mind the dense dialogue but find its one-dimensional nature quite tiring.

[kid-glove]

Except that it's overly familiar and stock. I don't mind the dense dialogue but find its one-dimensional nature quite tiring.
That makes it clearer than the earlier post. One-dimensional wordplay in serving the plot, and nothing much else (After a point), is the problem.

I was watching PKS recently. The scenes and dialogues get boring, and not exactly multidimensional either.

50-50, maybe a 60-40 either side depending on mood.

[venkkiram]

நாகேஷ் : டேய்! ஒரு முக்கியமான விஷயம். இந்த மேக்கப்பு அஞ்சு மணி நேரம்தான் நிக்கும்.

கமல் : கிழிஞ்சுது போங்க!

நாகேஷ் : அதத்தான் நானும் சொல்றேன். அதுக்கு அப்புறம் மேக்கப்பு கிழிஞ்சுரும். ஏண்டா பர்மனென்டா இருக்குறதுக்கு நான் என்ன பச்சையா குத்தி விடுறேன்? ஒழுங்கா மரியாதயா, அஞ்சு மணிக்கு திரும்பிடு. இல்லே, சண்முகி பாண்டி முகியாயிடும்! காட்டுறா தலய!

[venkkiram]

மணிவண்ணன் : மாமி படி ஏறினாலும் நல்லாருக்கு, எறங்கினாலும் நல்லாருக்கு. முன்னழுகும் நல்லாருக்கு பின்னழகும் நல்லாருக்கு. வீட்டுக்கே ஒரு கலை வந்துருச்சிடா முதலி. க்ரவுண்டு விலை ஏறிடும் போலிருக்கே!

[venkkiram]

நாசர் ஊமையாய் - முதல் காட்சி :
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நாசர் : பாபாபாபூ
டெ.கணேஷ் : என்ன பாபாபூ! ஓ பாபூவா? நியுமரலாஜிக்காக பாபாபூன்னு வச்சிருக்கியா!
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டெ.கணேஷ் : ஆமா அப்பா இருக்காரா!
நாசர் : குதுக்கா பாக்கா.....
டெ.கணேஷ் : என்னது! குதுருக்குள்ளயா!!

[Plum]

I'd probably lean 80-20 side on pks w.r.t 5t.

Equa's reasons are articulate enough - I'll extrapolate a little to pick his position on thillumullu vs say, guru sishyan. The former works as a non-rajni comedy as well, but the latter depends on Rajni's comic personality was the gist. I'd apply the same to this comparison. I think and I am with equa on what he calls sabha comedy - oh we enjoy it ofcourse but is it really unique? You start measuring entertainment by surface density of gags?
Sammandham aNNan is kamal-kuLLa irukkara chennai personality - which is why, as equa observed, it almost serves as an extnsion of subramanya raju. Possibly,he is not acting much there. Now, why would this be of importance, you might well say - if farce works, as it possibly does in 5t, how do all this matter - charac., depth and the beyond-jokes fun of pks? Well asked but then isn't that the point of cinema? Would 5T work as sabha comedy - it probably would. Pks wouldn't - and that is a proud badge to wear, not a shame.
Pks also achieves the miracle of making simran tolerable(aruLmigu aNNan groucho thuNai!)