What was the Last Ilaiyaraja song you listened to?

[crvenky]

Usha, thanks for confirming. It has been loooong since I heard the songs. I will check.

[tvsankar]

Never heard this song (?) before. Sabashda what a find today :thumbsup: (enakkuthan :)). For me, It strongly books a place in IR's top 5 short songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq8o8wC6Rd8&feature=related


BTW tamil version-la intha paattu irukkA?

Great Pick sanjeevi....
Thanks pa...

[tvsankar]

vanji kodi

vandhu vandhu valaithal

Hariharan and Bhavadharini

Kanna unai thedugiren

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00265.html

[tvsankar]

Nilave nee vara vendum

Ilaiya raja - En arugil nee irundhal

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00132.html

[Sureshs65]

Couple of superb songs one after another in Sun Music. 'kaNNaN vandhu pAduginrAn' and ' idu oru nilA kAlam'. Excellent compositions. Both of are picturised well.

[Sureshs65]

Looks like the Sun Music guy is onto female solos. 'Darling Darling Darling', followed by 'mAlayil yArO'. The second song especially is an everlasting beauty. Raja has given Swarnalatha some outstanding songs and this is one of them.

[ajithfederer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dTw3Vo-G94

hmmm...

[ajithfederer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXeR3g9MC3k&feature=channel

Mano(Male singer ??) and who is the female singer??
:).

[ajithfederer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDmFywNIkb0&feature=channel

Rajni - IR -M'sia 8-)

[ajithfederer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVhx0wevFzw&feature=related


Aahn Annan Bala, Namma Amala idhula irukaanga. :P.

[ajithfederer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMFzOB9XkXU&feature=channel

istreamtamil should be awarded legendary status in youtube.

[tvsankar]

af,
Thanks for Oru naal.....

[crajkumar_be]

Repeat :musicsmile: , especially the mind blowing first interlude.
Live a perform panrathukku enna precision, timing venum!
Unable to get out of this song now

Deconstruction of "Thogai Ilamayil" by a youtube user tanapp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0_qhXoOwpI&feature=related)
(Actually he can't tell for sure if its set in Lathaangi raagam)
Good stuff, especially the embedded comments :thumbsup:

[app_engine]

இசை மேடையில், இந்த வேளையில், சுப ராகம் பொழியும் (இளமைக்காலங்கள்)!

When I "met" this song in my nephew's machine this weekend after a gap of few years, it felt like meeting and hugging a very close friend after a long time - when the chorus starts with SJ in the prelude, அப்படியே மெய் சிலிர்த்துக்கண்கள் பொங்கி விட்டன :-)

Needless to say, this was on repeat since then in all rides and each time goose bumps in the prelude!

What a way to start - with the moving chorus followed by சுழற்றி, சுழற்றி விளையாடும் இசை (guitar or synthesiser?). Interestingly, only in the beginning of the song the pallavi gets this beautiful piece after the first line but not repeated later in the song. One of the sweetest sounds ever in TFM!

A classic case of fusion where the melody goes in a nice Indian way while the whole orchestration is a riotous mix of international sounds! While the pallavi has drums with latino sounds, the saraNam percussions are inimitable IR! The boom-boom sound is there thru out (in prelude as well) and I wonder what kind of drum was used to get that.

SJ and SPB are on a roll ( என்ன ஒரு குழைவு) and the interludes are phenomenal with some vocal harmonies! I am sure even die-hard synth haters can't say they didn't like the sounds in the interludes (ending of second interlude, for e.g.)!

Vairamuthu enjoys himself with lines such as :

"நெஞ்சுக்குள்ளே தீ இருந்தும், மேனி எங்கும் பூ வசந்தம்"

"கன்னிக்கரும்பு உன்னை எண்ணிச்சாறாகும்"

"முத்தம் தரும் ஈரம் பதிந்திருக்கும்"

I was surprised to see the audio going low in decibels briefly during the pallavi between saraNams when SPB sings 'iLamai nerukkam' as I had the same issue years back with my recorded cassette. I wonder whether this was an issue with the master itself, can someone who has the vinyl disk or echo cassette confirm whether they have the same hitch? If so, that would be one of those rare cases of technical misses :-)

Apart from the sweet sound in the prelude, IR excels - IMO - in the second interlude. He strikes strong during the 'pappa-papAppappappA' twice followed by a very soft crashing of cymbals (or tapping softly the "hi-hat" of jazz drums?) accompanied by keyboard sound, followed by flute / violins - total riot!

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

I discovered this song , 'isai meDayil' quite late, much later than it was released. (BTW, one of the channels is now playing 'EramAna roZave'. Is it from the same film?.) This is one of the songs I always quote to tell people how Raja internalizes each raga and then goes on to create something unique using that raga and how he avoid the more common phrases, which may sometimes get the attention of the listener quicker. (Which is what most of the MDs of today do.) Raja uses the kAnaDa/darbAri kAnaDa very well in this song but he avoid using the more common phrases. The way he builds up the raga is a study in composing I guess. Especially in the charanam, when Janaki goes 'maeni engum poo vasantham', it is bliss.

[app_engine]

BTW, one of the channels is now playing 'EramAna roZave'. Is it from the same film?.

Yes, a KJY sweetie (and more of VM's pet word "ஈரம்" :lol: )!

This was the movie motherland pictures started off with R Sundarrajan as director, after their phenomenal success of 'payaNangal mudivadhillai'. PM for the first time in TF history advertised in the posters as 'இளையராஜாவின் இன்னிசை மழையில்'. They continued that phrase for all their movies with IR.

The LP record got released, I think with R S' name only as director. Songs became immensely popular (buses / tea stalls as usual).
For some reason, he was dropped from the project and possibly the story got changed as well.

Mohan was there but other key contributors of PM (like Koundamani's who had first success beyond BR movies - சென்னை மாநகரத்திலே stuff as a house owner- or S V Sekhar) were not part of IK.

Manivannan was brought in as the director (now we know he has the notorious record of borrowing IR songs from here and there for his movies rather than working for new compositions) who put together something to "use" the songs and the movie got released.

Except for some comical moments (மாணவர் தலைவனை அடித்த ப்ரின்சீபால் ஒழிக by a dhaadiwAla was loved by all of us students), it was a bore but still had a profitable run. There was a new heroine (sasikala or sasireka) who had a sweet face but could not act at all.

Motherland pictures patched up with R S for their next movie (or it got started before IK - whatever) which proved to be a huge success, both musically and commercially - nAn pAdum pAdal. Ofcourse, it cemented Koundamani's position as the top comedian and he remained so for many years afterwards.

[thumburu]

Suresh and app_engine, good discussion on one of my most fav songs esp during long drive . Suresh, yes, though the main tune is in chaste "Dharbari kaanada", an average listener would consider this to be a very modern, romantic duet . If Raaja wants he can camouflage the carnatic elements , still being true to the raaga or flaunt its beauty like in "aagaaya vennilaave" . That is the reason why various songs belonging to the same raaga sound so different under Raja's baton

[Sureshs65]

thumburu,

Very good observation. You can actually find many songs of Raja in the same raga sounding very different. Kalyani can be taken as an example. I wanted to write a detailed analysis on Raja's use of Kalyani. Will probably do it one of these days.

[crajkumar_be]

Nilavu Varum Neram - Jaganmohini (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00747.html)
Definitely interesting :musicsmile:

[crajkumar_be]

Interestingly, only in the beginning of the song the pallavi gets this beautiful piece after the first line but not repeated later in the song. One of the sweetest sounds ever in TFM!

That sounds like guitar connected to phaser
[The ambience appearing throughout "Ilaya Nila", "Putham Pudhu Kaalai" etc.. ]



SJ and SPB are on a roll ( என்ன ஒரு குழைவு) and the interludes are phenomenal with some vocal harmonies! I am sure even die-hard synth haters can't say they didn't like the sounds in the interludes (ending of second interlude, for e.g.)!

I was talking about this with Plum a few days before. IR has used synth extensively and exceedingly well those days. Adhu vera, ippo panradhu vera :razz:




He strikes strong during the 'pappa-papAppappappA' twice followed by a very soft crashing of cymbals (or tapping softly the "hi-hat" of jazz drums?) accompanied by keyboard sound, followed by flute / violins - total riot!
:yes: this is the best part of the song for me
"papaba" permutations, sounds usages are patented by Ilaiyaraaja.

[app_engine]

That sounds like guitar connected to phaser
[The ambience appearing throughout "Ilaya Nila", "Putham Pudhu Kaalai" etc.. ]



Yes, definitely guitar sound but could be possibly not straight from the pick-up but after some electronic process :-)

Thank y'all for interesting responses! A song that deserves a lot of admiration, awe!

[Plum]

CR and app, good discussion on isa medaiyil. As observed, the last thing you'd think about that song is its classical roots, and the raagam. It is so hip, and as CR observed, laden with synth. App, good observations on the sounds- this is the same man we often defend saying he doesnt bother about sound but on composition. Hmm...this opens a new line of thought.

[app_engine]

Actually IR was "the man" for new sounds during his phase 1 :-)

(I remember the blog of fellow hubber Usha Shankar(tvsankar)'s brother - with WCM tutorials etc- where he mentions about his meeting with IR and IR's hand written letter to them and such personal experiences.

From what I remember, when they commented about such novelties as new sounds, he replied back about many other such things he had in store for coming ventures.)

I think he had that going till mid 80's or so when he abruptly stopped doing that for most projects. (I have a grouse that he started "reserving" them for biggies like KB / MR -who later ditched him for ARR to provide "new sounds" - while dishing out simple tabla / flute / violin stuff to ordinary producers. Those songs were sweet nevertheless ... though robbed of such kicks).

The whole theory of "IR <> novel sounds / sound experiments" is wrong, IMO. ( prelude / interludes of seno rita of Johny are my #1 proof)

[Bala (Karthik)]

Yes, definitely guitar sound but could be possibly not straight from the pick-up but after some electronic process :-)

Yeah, the phaser modifies the sound (similar to a flanger). Its connected to an electric guitar.

Usually, rock acts (hard rock or metal) have a distortion pedal also connected to the guitar and on top of that distortion they use phaser/wah-wah pedal etc.
Raaja generally does not use the distortion that is typical in hard rock/metal but has used phaser/flanger extensively.
Basically, in my terms, they change the frequency of a note and also prolong the note
As in many other places, in this song, he has used an electric guitar + phaser without distortion

Check this video: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVij_VhRQPg)
Till 00:25 it is phaser with distortion, from then on it is phaser without distortion. Think "Uravenum Pudhiya Vaanam" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cji2ns0D1MU) (poor audio quality) prelude - when Janaki starts "pabababa..", there are two things happening. One the bass electric guitar starts and the other is the electric guitar on the phaser starts, similar to what you hear from 00:25 onwards in the video above.

Another example is Putham Pudhu Kaalai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OL15Sp47QY). The phaser effects start right from the pallavi and is prominent in the interlude and continues throughout. That is the surrealistic ambience one associates with the song.

An effect similar to that of a phaser is given by the flanger (flanging gives an aeroplane kind of sound/ambience).
A sample (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfFzVhpzTPg&NR=1)
Examples are
- "Kanni Ilam Poove" (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00016.html) - Unknown masterpiece, this. Strictly not to be missed
-
"Pon Vaanam Panneer thoovudhu" (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00199.html) (check out the faint guitar with flanger effects towards the end of the charanam "idhu kaadhala..")
- "Poongaatru" (Moondram Pirai) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00370.html) - Right throughout the song in many places. The very first startingprelude piece (you get the aeroplane sound right?). The best part is actually, around when Daas Annen goes "uyirai inaithu...", there are three electric guitars happening i think - bass, rhythm, connected to flanger and the one that goes "pa pa pam" after every word in the pallavi (possibly the wah-wah pedal)
Kicking bass groove, flanger and wah-wah, wave after wave, show me anything better than this in IFM with guitars!

P.S: The bass in "Pon vaanam" is a separate topic actually. someone more qualified and hands on like Orkut Krishnan can give an idea as to how the bass guitar is played to give that sliding sound

[Bala (Karthik)]

this is the same man we often defend saying he doesnt bother about sound but on composition. Hmm...this opens a new line of thought.
Idha thaan romba naala sollitrukken/kekkanum nu nenachitrukken to many saga Raaja fanatics. I don't think it makes sense to shove the "sound" aspect as though its taboo and as if music/sound are mutually exclusive goals.

Innaikku auto la poitrukkarappa, the Kannada version of "Varam thandha saamikku" (Sippikkul Muthu) was being played. After i got in he thought of changing it to some FM indhi channel, (i spoke to him in Tamil so he assumed i wouldnt want to listen to Kannada songs). Thitti adhaye poda vechen. The point is, the mridangam chops in the pallavi and the second charanam- the inexplicable adrenaline rush i get whenever i listen to it, is as much about the sound and the instrument part of it as it has to do with the music/rhythm. Why did Raaja use those mridangam chops? Why not a rap on some tumbler?
Why those synth-flute exchanges in the interludes of "endrendrum Anandame"? Why all these experimentaitons? If we accuse Rahman of being the sound man we'd better start at home!

[app_engine]

Bala,
Thanks for the excellent explanation of guitar magic. I need to listen to the sound samples at home and appreciate better. Actually apart from the "once-forced-now-accepted" piano lessons, my son wants to have guitar lessons too - which I've been delaying. (He had his way in getting an electric & a spanish guitar, learns on his own using the web - but other gadgets or the formal lessons are not sanctioned yet :wink: )

I know all those special songs that you've quoted has some "extra-this-thing" but was never able to identify due to lack of knowledge (Moreover when many things happen together it's difficult to decipher. OTOH the lead instrument / melody instrument in the prelude and interludes is easy to appreciate).

[app_engine]

The very first startingprelude piece (you get the aeroplane sound right?). The best part is actually, around when Daas Annen goes "uyirai inaithu...", there are three electric guitars happening i think - bass, rhythm and one connected to flanger and the one that goes "pa pa pam" after every word in the pallavi (possibly the wah-wah pedal)
Kicking bass groove, flanger and wah-wah, wave after wave, show me anything better than this in IFM with guitars!


Do you think 'yEh zindagi' retains all these elements? Not to my ears :-( It sounds very watered-down version (ok, let me not get back to that polambal again)...

[Sureshs65]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMPtnF4kOg

Navya Nair looks nice. Lovely rhythm work by Raja with the rhythms in the charanam alternating between traditional Indian and western.

There are two Kannada movies ready for release this Friday. Both high profile. Bagyada Balegara and Prem Kahani. Songs have slowly picked up and have become popular. Lets hope the movies do well as well. (I don't have much hope on JM as a movie though. )

[Bala (Karthik)]

Do you think 'yEh zindagi' retains all these elements? Not to my ears :-( It sounds very watered-down version (ok, let me not get back to that polambal again)...
I think the opening guitar bit does sound like having flanging. IMO, unfortunately, though the Hindi version is a wonderful song in itself, when i think of it as a replacement for "Poongatru" something just doesn't feel quite right. A less potent cousin of Poongaatru perhaps because in my opinion, i miss that "mood" created by the original - something inexplicable.
It is only in Raaja's love songs do i get that feel which is beyond the usual "happiness", "joy", "bliss" one gets in others' love songs. Sure, he has composed a lot of such joyful love songs but there are love songs which have a tinge of longing, foreboding, sadness, oneness etc in them. - Poongaatru, Vaa vaa Anbe Anbe, Adi Aathaadi, Oliyile Therivadhu, and so on....
"Ae Zindagi" creates that mood in places but in a few moments it seems to be missing. Maybe it works as a song for that film/situation but the problem is we have listened to the original first

[rajasaranam]

Idha thaan romba naala sollitrukken/kekkanum nu nenachitrukken to many saga Raaja fanatics. I don't think it makes sense to shove the "sound" aspect as though its taboo and as if music/sound are mutually exclusive goals.

Why those synth-flute exchanges in the interludes of "endrendrum Anandame"? Why all these experimentaitons? If we accuse Rahman of being the sound man we'd better start at home!

NoBody is Shoving away the Sound Aspect of a Song. Rightly, As you pointed out music and sound are inclusive is what Raaja fans are telling about. You need not get into too much of sound and keep harping on the point that 'this sound is there, that sound is there blah blah blah...' Nobody is accusing Rahman of being a sound man. That Rahman is a 'Sound Only' (First and Innovative that too!) Man was an Idea/Myth created by his own PRO's. And so... he was forced into introducing 'new sounds' in every Album (Still Does) and the direct comparison was made with Raaja who was not giving any 'New/Modern Sounds' in his songs While he had finished his 1st round of successful experimentation in this area when Rahman was a Kiddo. Hence the Rebuttal by Raaja fans that 'Sound' should not be the Only Criteria and Music is the 'Major' criteria to decide who is the best. Amputtuthaen :)

PS: Sippikkul Muthu Kannada Version was not by Raaja but Every single song was copied note by note.

[Bala (Karthik)]

NoBody is Shoving away the Sound Aspect of a Song. Rightly, As you pointed out music and sound are inclusive is what Raaja fans are telling about. You need not get into too much of sound and keep harping on the point that 'this sound is there, that sound is there blah blah blah...' Nobody is accusing Rahman of being a sound man. That Rahman is a 'Sound Only' (First and Innovative that too!) Man was an Idea/Myth created by his own PRO's. And so... he was forced into introducing 'new sounds' in every Album (Still Does) and the direct comparison was made with Raaja who was not giving any 'New/Modern Sounds' in his songs While he had finished his 1st round of successful experimentation in this area when Rahman was a Kiddo. Hence the Rebuttal by Raaja fans that 'Sound' should not be the Only Criteria and Music is the 'Major' criteria to decide who is the best. Amputtuthaen :)

I understand and agree with what you are saying. However, thats not what i'm addressing - i've seen post after post ridiculing "modern MDs with sound" etc etc as though sound is alien to music. Its not merely a rebuttal to the Raaja-comparison (i think those who make such statements are doing a disservice to Raaja himself). Just as the assertion from the other side that Raaja != sound is false, this is also false and belongs to the other extreme.



PS: Sippikkul Muthu Kannada Version was not by Raaja but Every single song was copied note by note.
:exactly: and i'm glad for that!

[rajasaranam]

I understand and agree with what you are saying. However, thats not what i'm addressing - i've seen post after post ridiculing "modern MDs with sound" etc etc as though sound is alien to music. Its not merely a rebuttal to the Raaja-comparison (i think those who make such statements are doing a disservice to Raaja himself). Just as the assertion from the other side that Raaja != sound is false, this is also false and belongs to the other extreme.


Amen :) Aaana Even Raaja is Ridiculing the Modern MD's who are taking a stand of trying to 'sound' new with every other song. Athu Illa Its music more important in a song and these 'sounds' can Aid in making the 'music', 'sound' more pleasant or garnish the already palatable 'Music'.
Icecream mela Nuts maathiri music mela sound irukkattum. Nutsthaan Icecreamnnu sonna kovam varumthaane athu thaan Raajavukkum avar fanskkum varuthu. Athaan Podang enakku nutsae vaendaam Icecream pothumnnu oru stand edukraan! :twisted: Extremismthaan! enna panrathu?!!

[app_engine]

Dwelling on 'isai mEdaiyil' for a couple of days has naturally led to another reunion - ofcourse to its more popular sibling from the same movie -

பாட வந்ததோ கானம், பாவை கண்ணிலோ நாணம்

One can use all kinds of superlatives to talk about this song and still not justify the effect it has on you!

It's a spell!!

I've been listening to this continuously for the last two days and wasn't mentioning about it in this thread - simply for the reason that I won't be able to express myself :-)

Well, it doesn't hurt to blabber at times, like during one's first romance in teens for e.g. That's how I feel with this song, placed in an aptly titled movie - iLamaikkAlangaL. Still energetic, youthful 25 years after its release and causes adrenaline rush :wink:

பாட்டிலேயே அது வருதே - "கள்ளூறும் பொன் வேளை"ன்னு.

VM is on a roll - full of words and phrases that will later be called as his patents. Some examples :

-இளமை வயலில் அமுத மழை விழ
-ராஜ மாலை தோள் சேரும், நாணமென்னும் தேன் ஊறும்
-கண்ணில் குளிர் காலம், நெஞ்சில் வெயில் காலம்
-மூடி வைத்த பூந்தோப்பு, காலம் யாவும் நீ காப்பு
-கங்கைக்கு ஏன் இந்த தாகம்
-நதிகள் இணைந்தால் கடலும் வழி விடும்

KJY-PS is such a sweet combo that excelled during the early IR days in 'kaNNan oru kaikkuzhandhai'. However, the effect is much different with this iLamaiththuLLal song - not soothing/softening the mind but making one wild! They appear to deliver the song effortlessly but some parts are actually quite difficult to sing (i.e. if I try to sing along) :-)

It's interesting to see the difference between the way PS sings "தோழீ" in the first saraNam and the way KJY renders "தாகம்ம்ம்" in the second saraNam. Absolutely enjoyable both! PS sounds so sweet during the line "உனது மடியில் உறங்கும் ஒரு கிளி" in the first saraNam and "இதயம் உறங்காது, இமைகள் இறங்காது" in the second saraNam (watch out for the way she adds a little kick to இமைகள் with a "curve").

IR must have been in his happiest moods when writing / recording this score. Freaking out with boss score, extra care for "new sounds" in the rhythm area (I think unique to this movie - both this song and eeramAna rOjAvE use the "தாம்பாளம் தட்டும்" high frequency sound that goes with the drums), high frequency screeching vioin in the first interlude, piano playing havoc through out and lead guitar chipping in here and there plus fun filled flute pieces - both in interludes and as accompaniment to the singers. Also some energetic female chorus - the 'தர தத்த தர தத்த தர தத்தாரரா' was like anthem those days for youth :-) My most favourite part is in the 2nd interlude after the chorus ends - with cymbal getting sweetly tapped around to go with lovely piano movement- urges one to fly to a beach and run with this music in background!

Is there anything wrong with this song? As the distribution of sounds into tracks isn't perfect IMO, I don't think one should listen to this using headphones.

Best heard on huge music systems or in vehicle (car seems to be my only mode of music listening nowdays and the only worry with this song is possible side effects like speeding :-) )

[tvsankar]

Dear app,
Nice write up.

paatai kaeka vaithadhu - unga writings.

hmmm ..
TFM page ku naan vandha podhu, andha app
ipadi than nalla ezhudhuvar - IR paadalgaluku.

andha naal nyabagam vandhadhu.......

[tvsankar]

app,
IR paadallgalai

1. Head phone la kaekanam.

2. Satham illadha idahtil ukkandhu kaekanam (satham paatu ku prob ilai. Nama mood ku prob agum. Disturbance a.........)

3.oru paatai - 10 time avadhu kaekanam.
apo dhan - paatil ethanai instruments sound
varudhu nu gavanika mudiyum.)

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

A very nice writeup.

I have this and 'isai mEDayil' as back to back songs on my tape and on long drives this invariably plays in my car since my wife had taken the trouble of getting these recorded :D As you rightly said, it is very difficult to express what you feel about this song. (Another set of back to back amazing songs in my tape is 'meTTi oli kaTrODu' and 'sanga kavigaL'. This also invariably plays on long drives.) When such songs play in your car on long drives, you feel you have reached your destination very soon!!!

[tvsankar]

Raja malai thol serum

nanam enum then orum

this time,

KJY voice thaniya........

right ear la - beats.
left ear la - flute.......

kannil kulir kalam - violin........

right ear la - beats - break iladha oru journey panradhu.......

evvalavu low sound a song kaekaramo,
apo dhan ella sound ai yum observe panna muidyum....

indha nimisham manasil vandha oru ennam..

about iR sound quality...

Avar purpose aga than - low sound la
songs record panni irukar.

Apo dhan - kashta pattu gavanipom.
kashta pattu kedaikara things ku
value adhigam.....

[tvsankar]

en son kku solven

"unaku concentration - veuma... pazhaganama..

IR songs kelu.....

naan solra sound elalm unaku kaekaradha sollu..

Concentratrion irundhal dhan - indha sound
ellam un ear ku pogum enru..........."

[tvsankar]

IR songs ai Head phone la
kaeka kathu koduthen......

[tvsankar]

Paatu thalaivan paadinal paatu than

Guitar works - amazing.......

app and suresh,
expect your writings to this song . pl write......

[AravindMano]

app_e, Great write up! :thumbsup:

[tvsankar]

padipula zero
nadipulae hero - SPS - rocks......

Head phone ku - neraiya velai........

[rajkumarc]

Thanks app for your lovely writeup and insights :clap:

Ilamaikaalangal is a scintillating album. Lot of lovely songs painting many different moods.

One of my favorite songs from the same album is Raghavane Ramana sung by PS. Hope someone can write about this song as well.

[app_engine]

Thanks Usha chEchi, sureshs65, AravindMano & rajkumarc for your comments.

Possibly because I didn't listen properly or the effect of a news report on "நதிகள் இணைப்பு" by Rahul made me distort a little bit the lyric line quoted :oops:

It's actually "நதிகள் விரைந்தால் கடலும் வழி விடும்" (இணைந்தால் அல்ல) :)

[app_engine]

youtube has both songs (actually many have posted these there) :

பாட வந்ததோ கானம்
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSTrQ4boS9I


இசை மேடையில்
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGxXI84o7oM

Just average 80's visuals (can't expect better from Manivannan for generic duets)

[Sanjeevi]

Whatever you glorifies other songs
Whatever you hide
Whatever it is
Whatever your taste

Eeramana Rojavae tops the list in Ilamai Kalangal album

[app_engine]

right ear la - beats.
..

right ear la - beats - break iladha oru journey panradhu.......



That's the reason for my dislike for listening to this song on headphone, I prefer the basic percussion beats on both ears with the cymbal crashing alone alternating ears (like in the case of "enna saththam indha nEram" for example, fantastic to listen on headphones. Another that comes to mind is 'kAdhalikkum peNNin kaigal' of kAdhalan - ARR is a master in this area and I'm sure his inputs elevated the recording quality of PM)

[tvsankar]

app,
ipadi solliteengala.

about me - ennoda chinna accident la

ear la nalla adi.

so. ithanai varushama naan head phone la
paatai kaetadhu ilai.

ipo dhan - 1 month a than head phone la song
kaeka mudiyaradhu.
ASaiya kaekaren...

[app_engine]

Usha akkA,
I'm sorry about that difficulty :-(

Please listen to enna saththam indha nEram & kAdhalikkum peNNin kaiyil songs on headphones and compare it with pAda vandhadhOr gAnam and judge the difference for yourself (just on the listening experience, not on musical quality which is far superior in the IK song IMO)

[kiru]

Digression: I accidentally found out how good the Sansa Fuze players were for sound quality (was buying as gift for folks in India) and I got the Grado SR60i headphones to go with it. Wow..this is my first taste of good quality headphones ..I am impressed with the detail and dynamism..Highly recommended. (note, I am running with flac files, which are lossless compressed and are equivalent to wav/cd quality).
Listening to Geethanjali.thuLLi_ezhundhatu_pattu excellent quality recording in this movie track. Tabla rhythm with nice one note harmonies and chords. An epitome of IR's style of arrangement and when you listen you dont look for loops/samples/unique rhythm arrangments from that country or this island etc. The whole movie track/songs can be used to showcase a good hifi system.

[tvsankar]

app,
sari. Try panren. Neenga sonna
songs innum kaekkalai. kaetutu solren.

but am hearing - Man kanden naan kanden......

[tvsankar]

Listening to Geethanjali.thuLLi_ezhundhatu_pattu excellent quality recording in this movie track. Tabla rhythm with nice one note harmonies and chords. An epitome of IR's style of arrangement and when you listen you dont look for loops/samples/unique rhythm arrangments from that country or this island etc. The whole movie track/songs can be used to showcase a good hifi system.


Kiru,
Thanks for ur writings.

Aduthavanga view la - IR songs kaekaradhuku - enaku romba pidikum.........

IR rendition - indha paatla enaku romba pidikum.

Naan thedidium
Rasthiyae
nee poovadha
yemathiyae

rasthiyae - yemathiyae - rendum - orae kaala alavu neram irukum..... TAts IR...

[Sureshs65]

Have been listening to Geetanjali (Tamil) songs for the last couple of days. I bought this CD recently. Lovely songs all of them.

[tvsankar]

Geethanjali - Tamil

Yes Suresh. All are Great...

IR's Rendition - nalla irukum.......

MY pick is - Oru jeevan azhaithadhu...........

KSC in voice - so innocent......

[tvsankar]

Now am listening.,

Mailapore pakkam mayila kandanae..

MVD - Rocksssss.


IR's Madhyamavathi......

MVD udan serum Guitar works - nice...

oh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - indha humming
i like it more.......
Great Madhyamavathi of IR...

Great Notes of Violin.

[baroque]

ஏய் ஏய் ஏய்....
ஆப்பக்கடை அன்னக்கிளி
ஆடி வரும் வண்ணக்கிளி
ஓரங்கட்டு ஓரங்கட்டு
பொன்னாத்தா
உன் கூடையிலே இருக்குறது
என்னாத்தா ...
:bluejump: :bluejump: :redjump:
சுஷீலா & வாசு .... பாயும் புலி ... :musicsmile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGebU_VXas8
அடியே... மனம் நில்லுன்னா நிக்காதடி
Way to go ராசா! :redjump: :bluejump: :redjump:
எல்லா ஆட்டமும் ராசா கூட 80s லே போட்டாச்சு! :bluejump:
வினதா

[Sureshs65]

Bought an audio CD with the soundtrack of three movies: Geetanjali, Kunkuma Chimizh and Poo Vilangu. Loving all the songs. Love the way Raja uses the orchestration for the 'Goods vanDiyilE' song. I have heard some of the songs from Geetanjali and Kunkuma Chimizh. Haven't heard the Poo Vilangu songs, though 'aathADi pAvADa' sounds familiar.

app_eng: Details about Poovilangu (actors etc) and any trivia please :D

[tvsankar]

Suresh,
NIce combo. Enjoy. app kite details kaetuteenga..
avar solvar....


Poo vilangu - en choice is

"Potenae poo vilangu
anabalae nee adangu"

SJ's rendition - very nice.........

[tvsankar]

hi baroque,
80s attam - apparam ilaliya.

am still listening......... enjoying.......

80s Raaja is something special dhan........

Original Sounds .........

[app_engine]

app_eng: Details about Poovilangu (actors etc) and any trivia please :D

ஆஹா, இப்படி ஒரு கேள்விக்கு பதில் சொல்லாம இருக்க முடியுமா? :) அதுவும் நம்ம காலேஜ்'ல படிக்கும்போது வந்த ஒரு படம் பத்தி.

It was produced by K Balachandar (Kavithalayam) and had Murali-Kuyili as debutants. (Murali continued to act as college student / hero for a decade or so while Kuyili quickly switched to support roles, like the 'nilA adhu vAnaththu mElE' dance in Kamal's nAyakan with Janagaraj). The director was AmeerjAn. (not the paruththi veeran director but one of previous gen, could have been KB's asst)

I didn't watch the movie due to lack of enthu (was never the kind who could close eyes and watch the movie just for music, like some of my classmates).

The songs were always on the walkman, though, with Janaki's 'pOttEnE poo vilangu, anbAlE nee adangu' my favourite. Ofcourse, AththAdi pAvada was a fun song by IR and the other one I remember is the 'kaNNil EdhO minnal adichchuruchchu' which was a folksy delight those days (had some mukkal-munakal also).

Songs were moderate hits and the movie was successful as well.

[app_engine]

Whatever you glorifies other songs
Whatever you hide
Whatever it is
Whatever your taste

Eeramana Rojavae tops the list in Ilamai Kalangal album

Since you're so emphatic, I gave careful and repeat listenings to 'eeramAna rOjave' and in my reckoning it comes to a very distant third within IK :-)

I know it was the most popular when the disk / movie came out (especially with more air time on radio). IMO, it's too simple compared to the other two to keep in high esteem. Nice melody, no doubt, and some sweeeeet singing by KJY. Beyond that, the instrumental portion is probably what one would call "minimal" and "plain" with nothing extraordinary :-)

I think this was probably a pioneer in "not-using-live-instruments" kind, which is the norm today. Even the bass lines, percussion, strings and the whistle sound appear to be from the keyboard. May be IR used a tabla to go along in the rhythm section and some spanish guitar to play chords with everything else from the "new" electronic (Japanese) gadgets he got those days.

The most funny part is the lyric (celebrated those days by mass but ridiculed by we students), especially the bolded line :

உன் வாசலில் என்னைக்கோலம் இடு, இல்லையென்றால் ஒரு சாபம் இடு, பொன்னாரமே

தண்ணீரில் மூழ்காது காற்றுள்ள பந்து :lol:

என்னோடு நீ பாடி வா சிந்து

VM always wanted to use TN school text book / science etc to be incorporated in the film songs, per my theory. He simply inserted this "ஆர்க்கிமிடீஸ் கோட்பாடு" without any relevance to the situation of the song. Neither does the uvamai fit the preceding or succeeding portion :-) At the minimum, it's too "sappai" to use in a love song!

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

The beauty of 'EramAna rojAvE' is due to its rhythm. A very nice rhythm plays along with the song. I am unable to fix the gait by memory. Need to listen to it. Could be a different 'nadai' here. Especially the start of charanam can immediately attract you due to that not oft used rhythm.

[kj]

I dont think bass is synth. Its sliding notes being played.

[Sureshs65]

:lol: regarding the 'pandu' usage.

[tvsankar]

VM - love songs - love a thavira
ellathaiyum parka vaipar.
Nenaika vaipar.....

Ennai parthu
oru megam
Jannal sarthi vittu pogum - yosikaren...

idharku artham - eppadi..

ipadiya...

hero parpathathaga - ninaithu kondu
some girl - close her window......

chinadhaga, nigazhvugalai - cinema vin
kavidhaigalil puguthiya oru nalla kaviyan...

I like His kavidhai.

'Saalai oram solai ondru vadum"

Camera man ku - velaiyai - elidhagi kodutha
oru Kaviyan....

[tvsankar]

ellarum irukeengala..
pesungo..
naan disturb pananlai...
dont stop.. pl contiue your views....
want to know....
sorry for the disturbance.....

[app_engine]

Ennai parthu
oru megam
Jannal sarthi vittu pogum - yosikaren...


Probably that's the only line in the song that fits with the movie's story :-) Since it's an old movie, a spoiler won't be bad here I think, still I'm typing in white color - select with mouse to read the portion below :

Hero is the student union president of a college where heroine also studies and her dad is the princi. While they're in love, some mischievous students wanted a strike - for no reason - and they start a small chaos. Unexpectedly, it turns out into a huge riot and in the pandemonium the princi gets killed by stone throwing. The herione attaches respo to the union leader - her lover - and refuses to see him again. The hero brings bouquet to her home which was thrown out into rain (eeramAna rOjA). When he sings, she is spotted by the window - only to close the shutter

As I said earlier, there were some nice comical moments. When I searched for the songs on youtube, I also spotted a couple of comedy clippings (Senthil / VAM) that are smile worthy.

[Plum]

app, good one on pandhu. Really baffled me - when I was younger, as I was when the movie released, I used to think that this is some high philosophy by VM that I ddint have the gnanam to understand :-)

As for Ameer Jaan, indeed, an assistant of KB. Made such masterpieces as unnai cholli kutramillai(sorgathin vaasarpadi). The pinnacle of his career was Siva, after which he went into hiding to escape the wrath of Rajni fans :-)

[Plum]

app, good one on pandhu. Really baffled me - when I was younger, as I was when the movie released, I used to think that this is some high philosophy by VM that I ddint have the gnanam to understand :-)

As for Ameer Jaan, indeed, an assistant of KB. Made such masterpieces as unnai cholli kutramillai(sorgathin vaasarpadi). The pinnacle of his career was Siva, after which he went into hiding to escape the wrath of Rajni fans :-)

[app_engine]

app_eng,

The beauty of 'EramAna rojAvE' is due to its rhythm. A very nice rhythm plays along with the song. I am unable to fix the gait by memory. Need to listen to it. Could be a different 'nadai' here. Especially the start of charanam can immediately attract you due to that not oft used rhythm.

It has the same 'thAmbALam" sound as in pAda vandhadhO gAnam but in a soft way.

Again, as in the case of the other song, the whole percussion part comes in only one of the stereo tracks which makes it a pain to listen using headphones. On an audio system / bus / car / tea stall / radio, this sounds good.

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

I don't mean the way the rhythm was sounded but the rhythm pattern or the gait. That is a bit different in the song.

[app_engine]

app_eng,

I don't mean the way the rhythm was sounded but the rhythm pattern or the gait. That is a bit different in the song.

IMHO, it doesn't sound complicated, though pleasing to hear. It's the same for pallavi & saraNam , sounds like a "loop-made-by-IR & Co" actually, with absolutely no variations through out the song. Very very simple which someone who taps on his bench / table / suit case will put together (or the kind of repeat sound you hear with some machinery, hand loom etc)

[baroque]

:)

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

I am not too sure if someone tapping on the bench will put this together :) I listened to the song now. As you say the rhythm goes on the same way for pallavi and charanams. The tension in the rhythm comes because of the way it is structured. It is a 4 beat rhythm. The first two beats have one syllable each, the third beat has two syllables and the last beat none!! If you count 1, when the first mridangam stroke is played, you will hear two mridangam strokes, followed by two quick synth beats and then silence. That sort of goes: 1-one mridangam stroke , 2 - one mridangam stroke, 3-two synth beats, 4-silence. This silence part is what gives the tension to the song and that is what is not so easily conjured up by everyone. If you hear the interludes, for brief while the drums play the same rhythm but filling in all the 4 beats.

Hope this makes sense. Anyway, thanks for making me listen to this song again :)

[app_engine]

Thank you Sureshs65 for getting into the 4 beat cycle and explaining.

Yes, someone cannot just like that come up with the twist on the 3rd & 4th beats (2 quicker taps on third and silence on 4th).

When that "someone" is IR , who has made a lot more complex rhythm sounds / permutation combinations in varied timings / pitches in his career (in this film itself relatively more complex ones for isai mEdaiyil pallavi / saraNam for e.g.), it appears to be simple and that way ordinary :-)

That's all I was trying to say!

[Bala (Karthik)]

a_e,
Yeah, "Eeramaana Rojave" doesn't top the album, though i love that song.

On the bass, agree with KJ, it does sound like the bass guitar

[app_engine]

On the bass, agree with KJ, it does sound like the bass guitar

ok, that's good. It was purely my speculation :-)

Per IR's style those days, this song was probably 'minimal' in orchestra with strong synth sounds.

I used to read those days (and sometimes hear from Chennaiwalas in the hostel) different stories as to how he suggested Yamaha to include some new sound they didn't have on their latest machine (it seems IR played the sound from some natural instrument to them) and stuff like that. Also some tidbits about how he worked with another vendor to customize a synthesiser etc.

He was into sounds big time then and eeramAna rOjAvE is one of the many samples :-)

[app_engine]

I was also listening to 'thAmarikkodi, tharaiyil vandhadheppadi' from Anandhakkummi this morning - which is so different sounding and superior in recording quality / balancing of instruments etc (from the same year as IK, 1983, or just around the same time period). The song is very good otherwise as well with some of the most brilliant interludes and jubilant SPB.

Raja went to Bombay for recording this album (his home production) and was full of praises for the facilities. Possibly his first trip to Bombay for such purpose.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Rhim Jhim - Mahadev (http://www.smashits.com/player/flash/flashplayer.cfm?SongIds=133982)
:musicsmile: :musicsmile:
The way Asha starts "Jhim Jhim Jhim..." and the bass groove and background fillers on keyboard - wow!
The first interlude is from a different universe and so are the charanams. When it goes "Meri jaan rehna..." in the charanam, sorkkam! :notworthy:

However, a total Thalaivar flavor, unpalatable up North!

[Bala (Karthik)]

Dilwale Raat Hai Jawaan - Mahadev (http://www.mediafire.com/?vwmwd01qmzt)
Brilliant! :musicsmile: :cool2:

[tvsankar]

Bala,
wat about other songs....

link venumae.......

[thumburu]

An evergreen number to proclaim the eternal lovers , rulers of springtime "manmadhan-rathi" and who else but SPB, SJ could solemnize "Oh vasantha raja" from highly expected but disappointing movie "NeengaL kettavai". Hindustani scale Patdeep? Not too sure . Much has been written about the classical touch with Mridhangam through out except for the second bgm . charanam where guitar leads and drums roll . I must tell about its sensational opening

[app_engine]

from highly expected but disappointing movie "NeengaL kettavai".

To be fair to BM, he did declare that it will be an average masala -what you ask is what you get (neengaL kEtpadhu idhu dhAnE, pidinga kind) and hence it wasn't "highly expected" :-) Though a big irritant to those who apperciate BM kind of movies, it was a commercial success (that too with Thiyagarajan and Silk Smitha as the lead players with Bhanuchandar / Archana as a secondary pair).

[Sureshs65]

Looks like it is the season when I get a CD and someone writes about a song from that :D Sheer coincidence of course. Kiru had earlier written about the 'Geetanjali' song and I had just bought the CD. Now thumburu writes about 'O vasantha rAjA' and I just bought that CD :)

Lovely song, 'O vasantha rAjA'. I am also not sure about the ragam. Lovely orchestration all the way.

[app_engine]

Sureshs65,
Funny it may sound but my pick from 'neengaL kEttavai' is 'adiyE, manam nillunnA nikkAdhadi' - any day. Brilliant! The energy at the start of the song is one of a kind in TFM history!

'Oh vasantha rAjA' is sweet / intoxicating and something that can be enjoyed many times slowly. I especially love the saraNam more.

[AravindMano]

'Nenjai thottu aLLi koNda..' from an unknown film. Listened to this after a long time, i mean years later! (Thanks to FM). Surprisingly, i remembered the tune and ludes almost completely.

Lovely number. Swaranalatha.

Dunno which film. Some Karthik film. I remember the interval-block scene. heroine a mistake a oru periya trunku petti la vechchu poottiduvaaru. Adhu moochchu mutti seththu poyidum.

[raajarasigan]

To be fair to BM, he did declare that it will be an average masala -what you ask is what you get (neengaL kEtpadhu idhu dhAnE, pidinga kind)

he recently mentioned this in one of his interviews.. thats why he also named the movie as "Neengal Kaettavai" :)

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

Heard 'adiyE' again today. Yup, very energetic song. As usual Raja gives superb polish to a basic 'dappankuthu' song. Add to it the usual guitar work. Nice.

[vel]

oh vasantha raaja is srothaswini in many portions. some deviations !

[tvsankar]

'Nenjai thottu aLLi koNda..' from an unknown film. Listened to this after a long time, i mean years later! (Thanks to FM). Surprisingly, i remembered the tune and ludes almost completely.

Lovely number. Swaranalatha.

Dunno which film. Some Karthik film. I remember the interval-block scene. heroine a mistake a oru periya trunku petti la vechchu poottiduvaaru. Adhu moochchu mutti seththu poyidum.

Here is the youtube..

NIce song. I like karthick...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nm04p88DHM

[ajithfederer]

Odhungu odhungu - Maveeran - Malaysia.

[app_engine]

Odhungu odhungu - Maveeran - Malaysia.

Some of the industrialists (especially tobacco related) used to own light music troupes in TN and the famous "mallisEri" orchestra of Kovai was possibly one of them -same owner as the beedi company. (Another one that comes to mind is 'angingu' of Dindigul, owned by the angu vilAs tobacco - this orchestra used to perform for Abdul Hamid's "pAttukkuppAttu" on Sun TV - with white dress / tie etc).

First time I heard this song was not from the cassette but a live performance by mallisEri. They created rapture at Palakkad maidan with this song and the whole area reverberated! Thoroughly enjoyed their performance of this energetic, stylishly orchestrated song sometime in late 80's. (Only later I got the cassette which also had the lovely Chitra number 'nee koduththadha thiruppikkoduppEn')

[rajkumarc]

Nilavu Neram from Annai Oor Aalayam. First listen for me and its a stunner. Did not expect PS to be the singer.

Completely blown away by the interludes. Amazing guitar riffs throughout the song. Authentic rock stuff from IR touching classic & psychedelic rock.

You can listen to it here - http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00047.html

[Sureshs65]

Thanks rajkumar. Never heard this song before. Orchestration reminds me of 'nA paruvam' from the Telugu film 'Yugandhar'. Wonderfully done orchestration which goes into rock as well as jazz territory. So many hidden gems still left I think. Atleast I keep discovering new ones on a regular basis.

[rajkumarc]

Very true Suresh on the discovery of hidden gems.

Do you know if there is a website where I can listen to the Yugandhar song? Thanks.

[app_engine]

கண்ணா உனைத் தேடுகிறேன் வா
(உனக்காகவே வாழ்கிறேன்) on repeat mode!

Splendid song with the BEST combo in TFM (IR-SPB-SJ).

I was trying to find out who wrote the lyric but could not find in the web. Any idea?

If it's VM, he has definitely improved leaps and bounds from the eeramAna rOjAvE days as the whole song is quite smooth flowing with sweet illustrations etc for somewhat similar situation (starting with ஏக்கம் - request to accept love and ending with a positive reaction). If it's not VM, kudos to the actual lyricist for penning a film-worthy-lyric that goes in real smoooth.

Some of the smoothies from stanza 2 :

கங்கை நீர் காயக்கூடும் கண்ணீர் அது காயுமா

மேகங்கள் போய்விடும், வானம் என்ன போகுமா

(what a nice feeling compared to the "தண்ணீரில் மூழ்காது காற்றுள்ள பந்து" stuff)

Also read somewhere that this movie was a Thamizh remake of shyAma (Mammootty-Nadhiya), an average movie I saw a couple of years back on DVD. I could have enjoyed it better had I not seen another (older) movie by Mammootty / Suhasini with very similar scenes and storyline that was superb (only a few weeks prior).

Anyways, didn't see the Thamizh version and I'm NOT planning to watch the video for this song unless someone reliable recommends strongly. (ரொம்பப்பிடித்த பல பாடல்களின் திரைக்காட்சிகளைக்கண்டு நொந்து போய் எடுத்த முடிவு) :-)

Lot of nostalgia for this song as it was like showers on a desert during the monthly night bus journeys from the city of work to native village during bachelor days. The moment I hear this song I'm immediately transported to Oddanchatram bus stand ( a small town between Pazhani & Dindigul) :-) This song was a big favourite among the buses that ran in that route with excellent quality speakers, nice recording etc. It was so refreshing to listen to this song in such journeys then!

Raja's trademark percussion arrangements, beautiful string phrases (possibly used all kinds - violin, viola, cello), sweet lead guitar that talks to flute and the bass guitar playing its own melody - what a nice feeling to immerse in this song!

In the whole song, just for a few seconds he uses mridhangam too - just prior to the arrival of SPB after the first saraNam when SJ completes the pallavi. This "situational-classical- dancy" piece comes and the whole melancholic mood of the song goes and one gets an "இனம் புரியாத உணர்வு".

More such accompaniment comes when SPB starts with the pallavi again (quickly strolling thru the keys of organ etc) and a relatively joyous second interlude follows.

The interesting part is there's no total transformation to happiness, there's still some discomfort till the end and that's nicely captured in the music. Also SJ, when she sings the last two lines of the song gets it so well by singing with a slightly shifted mood (not jumping with joy but transformed from how it was in the beginning).

A treat of a song!

[Sureshs65]

rajkumar,

You should be able to download 'Naa Paruvam' from here:

http://pathapatalu.blogspot.com/2009/05/yugandhar-1979.html

Here is the title music of Yugandhar. Raja freaks out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E7MhRXA_mg

One more song from Yugandhar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsgu0uhu7I&feature=related

[genesis]

Nilavu Neram from Annai Oor Aalayam. First listen for me and its a stunner. Did not expect PS to be the singer.

Completely blown away by the interludes. Amazing guitar riffs throughout the song. Authentic rock stuff from IR touching classic & psychedelic rock.

You can listen to it here - http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00047.html

There one more song similar to this one... Enakku Thaa from Velaikkaran.

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00721.html

[ajithfederer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UTYkPmXdLc&feature=related

Malaysia :cool2:.

[genesis]

Sureshs65,
Funny it may sound but my pick from 'neengaL kEttavai' is 'adiyE, manam nillunnA nikkAdhadi' - any day. Brilliant! The energy at the start of the song is one of a kind in TFM history!

'Oh vasantha rAjA' is sweet / intoxicating and something that can be enjoyed many times slowly. I especially love the saraNam more.

"Adiye" is my most favourte kuthu song...a close second is "Ye Aththa Athorama Vaariya" from "Payanangal Mudivadhillai"

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00484.html

Both songs have lot of energy and speed. SPB just makes the kill.

[ajithfederer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0PSSXbNTDI&feature=related

What has happened to this Bharathiraja and sathyaraj??

[rajkumarc]

Thanks Suresh for providing the Yugandhar songs.

Thanks Genesis for pointing out Enakku Thaa song. I read rave comments about this song from other hubbers. Yet to listen :)

[rajkumarc]

Thanks app for another lovely write-up and this time about one of my all-time favorite but not often spoken about song :2thumbsup:

Unakkagave Vaazhgiren is a decent movie worth a watch. The song picturization is not bad and the emotions are well portrayed by Sivakumar & Nadhiya.

But I do watch all those so-so movies just for the sake of IR and to see his BGM scores. You will always be pleasantly surprised.

Somewhat of a co-incidence on the nostalgia front and the Oddanchatram bus stand :)
That's where I heard Aathu Metula from Graamathu Athiyaayam for the first time. At that time I had no clue about the movie. I went back to my favorite recording shop (Star Track) in Coimbatore and got it recorded on tape. Unforgettable memories are always associated with IR's songs.

[app_engine]

That's where I heard Aathu Metula from Graamathu Athiyaayam for the first time. At that time I had no clue about the movie. I went back to my favorite recording shop (Star Track) in Coimbatore and got it recorded on tape.

rajkumarc,

This is one of my all-time-fav songs - loved it instantly when first heard on radio and still unforgettable. Funnily, this will probably rank among the top songs that convinced me NEVER to watch the video without good reco :-)

If you want to LOL, check out the video of Aththu mEttula on youtube.

If you're in TN, do they still have those "recording centers" with extra echo effects etc (probably on CD-R as technology has changed) ?

[rajkumarc]

As for some of those NEVER to watch songs it's best to just listen and visualize the scene to our imagination. IR's music lets your imagination run wild. :D

I did not know that extra echo effect was available when I recorded. At that time, high quality recording meant CD recording (recording from CD to Tape) which did not have any noise. But I do like that noise whenever I listen to the old tapes. Adds even more nostalgia :)

[Querida]

As for some of those NEVER to watch songs it's best to just listen and visualize the scene to our imagination. IR's music lets your imagination run wild. :D
:)

:exactly: :yes: :musicsmile:

[vel]

i hv been stuck with bhagyada balegara in the whole of last week - After all the euphoria over jagan mohini, prem kahani has settled, i would save that bhagyada balegara (kannada) takes the top honours. Out and out Raaja flavour in all the songs. Lovely fresh tunes and lilting melodies !! Vintage Raja at his best.

[Sureshs65]

vel,

Vintage Raja indeed for Bagyada Balegara. He has done what the movie needs. I am equally inclined to both Prem Kahani and Bagyada Balegara. Prem Kahani has a different feel altogether and is very well done. 'Balegara Balegara', 'Nannane Noduvanu', 'Chendulli Chendulli', 'Madhumagale Cheluve' from BB are songs which will be around for a long time.

[Sureshs65]

I heard this song for the first time today and thoroughly enjoyed it. Asha Bhosle has done a lovely job in this song. The lyricist is also having a great time. A nice tune thought the sentiments expressed are what would expect in our movies :)

Listen to 'enga ooru kadala' from Puthu Paatu here:

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00532.html

[Sarna]

I heard this song for the first time today and thoroughly enjoyed it. Asha Bhosle has done a lovely job in this song. The lyricist is also having a great time. A nice tune thought the sentiments expressed are what would expect in our movies :)

Listen to 'enga ooru kadala' from Puthu Paatu here:

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00532.html

:o first time'aa :?

indha padaththayE naan pala dhadava paaththirukkEn( thanks for TV channels )..ramarajan nadichchadhu .... I love this song and nEththu oruththara oruththara nenachchOm from the movie :)

nEththu oruththara oruththara paaththOm :musicsmile:

[Sarna]

Konji konji alaigalaada :musicsmile:

chanceless music :bow: ONLY raaja fossifle :bow:

[Sureshs65]

'kanji konji' a lovely song Sarna. This is one more song which typifies what vel had tried to explain regarding another song earlier. This song does not seem to hold on to one particular raga. While there is a Dharmavathi / Madhuvanthi touch, at places it sounds like Sankarabaranam. Yet the whole song is so unified and you do not feel that more than one raga has been used. This stitching together is something which Raja has patented. vel can illuminate us about the raga(s) of this song.

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

According to one website, 'kaNNA unai' song is by Vairamuthu. (http://www.gsbabu.com/ric/songView.php?songID=SG002566)

[Sarna]

thanks for the informations Sureshs65 :)

[Sarna]

thulli ezhundhadhu paattu
sinna kuyilisai kEttu :musicsmile:

paadal varigal'a kadichchu thuppuraaha namma raasayya :lol: but kEkka nallaa irukku :boo:

[app_engine]

Thanks for the lyricist info Sureshs65!

Interesting to note that there are no vErvai, eeram, dhAham, bhoogambam etc and the song totally lacks any VM signature. And it does flow smoothly like any old KD / Vaalee song :-)

[viraajan]

Sendhazham poovil :musicsmile:

IR and KJY :bow:

[tvsankar]

Endaro mahanubavulu

Very NIce Rendition by SPB and SJ...

Beat for SJ is typical classical..

Beats for SPB - Westernise

like it very much......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=melxrmsejF8&feature=related

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

A few days back heard some song of Vairamuthu (was it 'kaTTi puDi kaTTi puDi DA'?) in which the lyrics go, "oxygen illAmal imayamalai yerAdhe'!!! I thought of you and your thesis that VM wants to incorporate details from the textbooks :D

[app_engine]

ஓ எந்தன் வாழ்விலே ஒரு பொன் விழா

Just found out that there's such a nice song by IR that I missed all these days.

This came along in the CD with the 'kaNNA unaiththEdukiREn vA' as both are from the same movie 'unakkAgavE vAzhkiREn'. I don't think I've listended to this song during the time of release (at least don't remember anything specific that I appreciated those days when great songs came as a praLayam).

Classic orchestration by IR and I paid a "parking lot" listen after turning off the engine this morning. Thoroughly enjoyed the song - especially the prelude and the orchestration for the pallavi are top class stuff! So are the interludes, especially when the drums are woken up after a brief slumber :-)

First I thought it's SJ singing, then felt it sounded too old for SJ - must be one of the வடக்கத்திப்பாட்டிமார். I was quite convinced that it's definitely AshAppAtti when I heard her singing 'கல்லாண ராகம்' ("கல்யாண ராகம்") in the first saraNam as she has committed the same crime in the celebrated sheNbagamE, sheNbagamE.

And a repeat close listen of the song reasserted my conviction that it indeed is AshAppAtti. (No inlay card / printing on the CD to check).

Wanted to confirm on the web this discovery - but nay, everybody says it's SJ :-(

This includes the stalwart Ramki of tfmpage :
http://www.tfmpage.com/forum/archives/27342.6781.13:07:42.html

dhool :
http://www.dhool.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2582

and thiraippAdal as well :
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00679.html

(also musicindiaonline says it's SJ).

Somehow, I still strongly feel all these people are incorrect and it cannot be Janaki.

Any takers?

[tvsankar]

app,
Unga doubt enakum vandhu iruku......

Oru velai 2 versions irundhu irukumo....

BUt Thiraipadal.com - kaeta - SJ dhan nu thonudhu app.....

these lines confirms our SJ.....

kannodu nalaum
inaiyum thalam
ennodu vaazhvil
inaidhai neeyum
kalyana ragam
vizhiigal padum

sandhosha thendral
en vaazhvil veesum

indha style - nichayam SJ dhan app,

Asha va irundha - indha madhiri - style il
vandhu irukadhu.

Hindustani ya vandhu irukum.......
so idhu Asha paati ilai. our SJ Amma dhan.

(ASha melae yen ipadi oru ..... paati nu solli..)

[app_engine]

BUt Thiraipadal.com - kaeta - SJ dhan nu thonudhu app.....




It's possible there are two versions (like in the case of sheNbagamE). I didn't listen to thiraippAdal (at work now) and do that later this evening to confirm.




(ASha melae yen ipadi oru ..... paati nu solli..)

சும்மா, "ஓ எந்தன் வாழ்விலே" பாட்டு கேக்கும் போது தோணினது, nothing against her:-) I love a number of her hindi songs and her version of 'sheNbaghamE' is one of my all time favourites! In any case, whether we say or not, she is a 1933'er and a pAtti in 80's itself, இல்லையா?

[tvsankar]

Thanks app.....

Asha version irukalam. pakkalam..

kedacha solren.......

Aasha paati - sari. paati dhan. ana
sweet voice paati......

[tvsankar]

Asha song

unnai sutrum kaathadi..

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00396.html

idhai kaetal - SJ ku koduka vendiya song nu thonum...

ASha voda style - hindustani - style la irukum.

adhanala dhan
oh endhan - SJ nu sonnen.......

[app_engine]

Usha Chechi,
Listened to thiraippadal version and I stand corrected.

It's only SJ...possibly SJ trying to sing like a relatively old woman (she is known to do all kinds of such gimmicks) and ended up sounding like Ashaji :-) The kaLLakkural at "நாணங்களாலே வாய் பேசவில்லை" is inimitable SJ!

[Plum]

All this trying to decipher the singer reminds me of crazy mohan's answer in an interview:
I1: madan bob-ai edhukku unga dramasku music pOda select pannineenga?
Crazy: chinna vayasula radiola paattu kekkarache "idhu tms, idhu ps"-nu correctA kandu pidichu solvaan. Appove avanoda andha isai gnanam paarthuttu, ipdi oru vaaippu vandhappo koduthen :lol:
(No direct relevance to app's efforts here but been waiting to quote this for long so took the opportunity!)

[Sureshs65]

Plum,

:lol:

Aaaha. If only chances were given on such a basis many of us would be MDs now!! Ofcourse, my identification of current voices is bad to worse. So no hope for me and listeners are spared :D

[Plum]

Suresh, I am sure you got that crazy was giving a tongue in cheek answer. The real clincher was the choice of tms and p suseela for reference. Otherwise, the joke would have been obscured.

[Sureshs65]

Yes Plum. I got what Crazy was trying to say. I remember having seen that interview as well. Excellent kindal. I was just trying to extrapolate that and see what happens if that criteria is actually used. Even then no chance for me :)

[thumburu]

Ada, en peru "Sudden Sob"ungo. Ennaale easyaa "oppaari"kkum "dappaanguthu" kkum 6 vidhyasam kandu pidikka theriyumungo. Crazyaar atress kedakkumungaLa?
My last song is the "watered-down" "iLamai idho idho" - "oru nayagan udhayamaagiraan" from "Dhavani kanavugaL" [ I heard it turned out to be a nightmare for the 80's joLLu parties who expected another spicy , saucy "mundhanai mudichhu" from KB] . The MGR "thudhi"[ He was reduced to an infirm , sick CM by then] , "prachaara nedi", regressive advice on morality to women-folks in the lyrics are trash worthy. Nevertheless, I like its high intensity drum beats, guitar , horn , trumpets so typical of the 80's "disco" Raja

[app_engine]

Plum,
:lol: Crazy has it in his blood and his plays showcased them!

On the movie front, however, it was only with Kamal he excelled, IMO.

Back to the "last song" topic :

Did a 'wrong' thing this morning - that of tasting an exotic wine which should've been proper only for the nights. The song I'm talking about is the addictive "ஒரு ராகம் பாடலோடு"
of ஆனந்த ராகம். What a sweet song! A song one can sing along without much difficulty and enjoy the flow!

The percussion - actually the whole rhythm arrangement - is worthy of special mention which is a sweet combination of mridhangam, tabla and some more. The sweet chords and bass score that goes along enhances the effect and with KJY / SJ enjoying the lovely melody, this song is so enjoyable!

[Plum]

Ada, en peru "Sudden Sob"ungo. Ennaale easyaa "oppaari"kkum "dappaanguthu" kkum 6 vidhyasam kandu pidikka theriyumungo. Crazyaar atress kedakkumungaLa?
My last song is the "watered-down" "iLamai idho idho" - "oru nayagan udhayamaagiraan" from "Dhavani kanavugaL" [ I heard it turned out to be a nightmare for the 80's joLLu parties who expected another spicy , saucy "mundhanai mudichhu" from KB] . The MGR "thudhi"[ He was reduced to an infirm , sick CM by then] , "prachaara nedi", regressive advice on morality to women-folks in the lyrics are trash worthy. Nevertheless, I like its high intensity drum beats, guitar , horn , trumpets so typical of the 80's "disco" Raja

Crazyaar address theriyadhu. I used to know Madan Bob's when he was not an actor but a "music director" for dramas. It used to be next to Besant Pharmacy in triplicane. Madan Bob, Music Director-nu boardlAM irukkum...oru celebrity range avaru appo enakku :lol:

[P_R]

Crazy: chinna vayasula radiola paattu kekkarache "idhu tms, idhu ps"-nu correctA kandu pidichu solvaan. Appove avanoda andha isai gnanam paarthuttu, ipdi oru vaaippu vandhappo koduthen :lol: :lol:

Btw early Crazy dramas had Ad music mixed in for most part. Return of Crazy thieves had the Goldspot song. enna oru isai jnAnam.

Was Madanbob the one who scored for the tv series Here is Crazy ?
galagala galavena siri anRaada
kavalaiyai kadaasi eri

If so one has to grant meesical knowledge irukku :lol2:


(No direct relevance to app's efforts here but Ricky Ponting-ai gettiyA pudichukitteenga pOla irukku :lol2:

[Plum]

No, I dont think Madan Bob scored for Here is Crazy. That was a cool song - the shift to "gala gala gala galavena siri" in one of the stanzas was quite cool. yaarunnu gnabagam illai.

I used to like the title music of the serial called tholaindhu ponavargaL. Didnt bother about MD those days. Never managed to find about it ever since.

[P_R]

A much lesser song but still pretty good was the title song of Madhu Cheenu. by SPB

oNNum oNNum reNdu enRu
eNNi vandhaal ammammamA

All was well till Ramesh Vinayagam took over and gave Nil gavani crazeeee plus cue music. :x

idhai sonnA nammaLa silar thitturaanga. :P

[Plum]

A much lesser song but still pretty good was the title song of Madhu Cheenu. by SPB

oNNum oNNum reNdu enRu
eNNi vandhaal ammammamA

All was well till Ramesh Vinayagam took over and gave Nil gavani crazeeee plus cue music. :x

idhai sonnA nammaLa silar thitturaanga. :P
nEkku adhu theriyAdhu - enakku therinjadhellAm university, Nala Damayanthi, Azhagiya TheeyE, Jerry(yes, jerry!)....

He is seriously good - andha jeevan moonjikku eppo music pottarO, appove avar vaazhkai irundidichu...after Karthik Raja & Vidyasagar, my favourite in post-IR generation( excepting Rahman)

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

'oru rAgam pADalODu'. Aaah. The moment you just see those words typed on the screen and you can sing along immediately. What an infectious rhythm. Lovely singing by KJY and SJ.

Plum: Agree with you on Ramesh Vinayakam. My own assessment is similar.

[Sureshs65]

Went on a long drive today and had a chance to listen to 'Bharathi' and 'Mogamul' after a long time. I personally think 'Mogamul' is one of the most underrated albums of Raja. There are four songs in the album of which one is a Tyagaraja kirtana. So that leaves us with 3 Raja compositions. He has used the theme of having a raga ending with 'priya' for each of the songs. 'kamalam pAda kamalam' is based on Ramapriya, 'nenje gurunathanin' is based on Natakapriya, 'sollAyO' is based on Shanmukhapriya. I have always been fascinated by 'sollAyO' because Raja gives the raga a tinge of 'viraha'. Something which composers have not done with this raga.

[app_engine]

Thanks to Nerd's post in TF's "last song" thread, I found the movie of my song of the morning (demanded a "parking-lot" listen).

தாலாட்டும் பூங்காற்று நான் அல்லவா (கோபுர வாசலிலே)

Unimpressive lyric presented in the exotic SJ voice with smooth orchestration by IR.

Typical northie song (same genre as 'pardha Eh parrudha' of AAA and such mandatory song of most old Hindi movies), presented in TN folk style with sweet prelude / flute accompaniment. (This is probably the only trick that SAR learnt from IR and made a career out of it).

The saraNam part is more lovable and the flute that does the "respond-to-singer's-call" is mesmerising!

[baroque]

parda hai parda - Amar Akbar Anthony is QAWWALI from Laxmikant-Pyarelal.
தாலாட்டும் பூங்காற்று.... கோபுர வாசலிலே...ஜானகி is not Qawwali.
It is a good song with longing sensation in ராகம் சிம்மேந்திரமத்திமம் as in காற்றோடு குழலின் நாதமே.......கோடை மழை....சித்ரா. :musicsmile:

Gopura Vasaliley is a nice movie to own a DVD.
Songs are great. :musicsmile:
Nice movie with amazing work from IR.
Karthik, Bhanupriya are good looking people.
V.K.Ramasamy, Janakaraj,charlie etc..

I am proud to say Priyadarshan's Gopuravasalile team was one of my babysitters. :swinghead:
Back to back I used to play the songs, my son used to watch during his infant/toddler yrs.

:ty: for the respite Priyadarshan & Ilayaraaja ! :D

vinatha. :)

[Sureshs65]

After having played junk songs featuring the latest heros, Sun TV mercifully is back to featuring some of Raja's hits.

They played 'Sendhazhampoovil'. Songs like this of Raja surprise me. I mean, I would have heard them some zillion times. Yet when the song is screened, I just can't move away!! Raja has many many such songs to his credit.

Now they are playing another song, 'Raja Raja Chozhan'. One more such song whose melody never goes down, however many times you hear it.

[Sureshs65]

Vinatha,

Yup. Priyadarshan and Raja was a great combination in 'Gopura Vasalile' but their best was undoubtedly 'Kaala Paani'. What compositions!! Each one a composition to die for.

[app_engine]

parda hai parda - Amar Akbar Anthony is QAWWALI from Laxmikant-Pyarelal.
தாலாட்டும் பூங்காற்று.... கோபுர வாசலிலே...ஜானகி is not Qawwali.
:)

Well, I'm not a rAgA / genre expert. நீங்க சொன்னா சரியாத்தான் இருக்கும்.

However, the whole feel of the song brings the picture of "waving the hands and clapping" very strongly in my mind :-) Janaki also sings with a hindustAni feel rather than carnAtic feel IMO!

Much like the 'vaa veNNilA' song of MTK, just without the clap sound.

[Sureshs65]

Now one more of the evergreen classics being played. 'kadhalin deepam ondru'.

[Sureshs65]

Sun Music in good mood today. 'kaadalin deepam ondru', 'manram vantha tendral' and now 'pani vizhum malar vanam'. I propose that 'pani vizhum malar vanam' be recognized the 'worst picturized best song' and be awarded the same. Those who want to second it, please raise your hands :D

[Sureshs65]

Sun Music now playing 'en iniya pon nilave'. Shoba again after 'sendhazham poovil'. What an actress. She is so very much a village girl in Mullum Malarum and very casually is a modern girl in Moodu Pani.

On a related note, have you seen Shoba in the Malayalam song 'sharadindu malar paadi'. (MD: M B Sreenivasan) I searched for it in youtube and got it. One person had commented, "After watching her in this song, how can you not fall in love with her". How indeed!!

[Sureshs65]

Sun Music played app_end favorite 'edho mogam' (how many genres in one song!!) and are now playing 'un vaanile' from Johny. Amazing set of songs played today. Very well known songs but each one still retaining its melodic intensity.

[tvsankar]

suresh,
All are nice to see the picutrisation except

nee dhanae endhan - enna oru paatu...
kodumaiyana picutrisation.....

enaku -TV pakka kedaikalai..

so wat....
net la youtube pakkaren.

now am seeing, manadhil enna ninaivugalo...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i0-mAqz7_U&feature=player_embedded

[app_engine]

'pani vizhum malar vanam'

That movie was shockingly & unexpectedly poor from someone like Sridhar. Had it been some first-timer or masAlA fellow, it could have been ignored; but from Sridhar? unpardonable :-(

One of the best ever scores by Raja (Well, Sridhar's ears for great music worked fine).

However, Sridhar recovered remarkably in thendRalE ennaiththodu within a very short time (another phenomenal score from IR)!

[Sanjeevi]

which was the last IR and Sridhar combo?

Thanthu vitten ennai?

TVE has some good songs but certainly not upto the mark

[baroque]

Yeah.. Suresh, KALAPANI is a fine album. :musicsmile:

apps,
Nice imagination! enjoy..
By QAWWALI musical structure, it doen't get the label.
Shri.IR has used this Clap- one of the qawwali musical structure in several songs in orchestration.

like in the second interlude before the charanam நிலவே நான்தானா ... சிங்களத்து...புன்னகை மன்னன்

In பூமாலை ஒன்று.... தங்க மகன்... Blues & rhythms composition Un traditional qawwali branch out with tabala rhythm in slow jadhi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-MIaEhf-aU

கற்புடைய ஆம்பளைங்க ஊருக்குள்ளே
நிம்மதியா வாழ்ந்திருக்க காலமில்லே .. has incorporated bhangara style along with thanna tha na naa.. before the stanza கட்டிப்போட்டு காத்தா.... காட்டு வெள்ளம் மீறிப்போகும் :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YRrHzifpqQ

தங்கமான ராசா...ஸ்ரீ.பாலா & கோரஸ்...ஸ்ரீ.இளையராஜா
Beautiful speedy மெலடி , peppy rhythm, what a bgm!
vinatha.

[Sureshs65]

Two gems from 'Mudivalla Arambam'

'thennam keetum' : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq2gNVbEIpE&feature=related

'pADi vA thenralE' : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmmyHgH8Izw

Krishnan, in Illayraja yahoo groups, has a good writeup regarding the second song and a nice followup by Dinesh.

[tvsankar]

Suresh,
Krish oda wriitings - neraiya parkanam na

orkut - IR community ku vango..

neraiya paatu ku ezhudhu irukan.........

[Sanjeevi]

Raaja + Sivaji + TMS

தோரணம் ஆடிடும் (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8XAPp03CRc&feature=related) :)

நல்லவர்க்கெல்லாம் சாட்சிகள் ரெண்டு (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsii_c1SIGU) - my all time favoutie :redjump:

தேன் மல்லி பூவே (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP8JopGzPg4&feature=related)

நேரமிது நேரமிது (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s27e7mLvKwc)

முத்தமிழ் சரமே (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZplKuhNEYPA) - never heard before, funny dance

ஐம்பதிலும் ஆசை (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkTZUSTmGsw&feature=related) :lol:

Without TMS

எங்கெங்கோ செல்லும் என் எண்ணங்கள் (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opcp9b9IkIs&feature=related) - :D :redjump:

பூப்போலே உன் புன்னகையில் (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOl61gY1ZVA) :)

[app_engine]

engengO sellum - someone told me that both 'dEvadhai-oru dEvadhai' and this song were picturized on Jaiganesh - Sridevi.

Interestingly it was not - as engengO has Sivaji. (However, he looks hilarious here. வெள்ளப்பேண்ட்டு, கலர் கலராக்கோட்டு, டான்சு, எக்ஸ்ப்ரஷன்கள், கை தூக்கல் :lol: )

[Sureshs65]

Currently listening to the Chitra song from 'Pazhassi Raja'. Links were provided by Hulk in another thread. Outstanding composition with every phrase dripping with melody. I would ask thumburu to give a listen to this Abheri based song for it was thumburu who was looking to some great female solos. Here is a definite addition to the all time best female solo list. We must thank our stars that Chitra was chosen to sing this song :)(Generally in Malayalam films they chose someone who knows Malayalam but given the big budget of this movie, they didn't believe that they must 'import' someone for Mumbai for this !!)

[rajkumarc]

Raaja + Sivaji + TMS


Thanks for engengo sellum. Watching it for the first time. Picturization is not that bad :D

One more to add to this list and my favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PxBv0D6E_w

Sindhu nathikarai oram from Nallathoru Kudumbam

[Plum]

DeivangaL kann pArthadhu from ???? - I know it is the jayachitra directed movie where she starred with rehman - the first song of mano that I have unreserved addiction for. Well sung, bravo nagoor babu, you finally broke through with me!

[Sureshs65]

Plum,

An internet search led me to the movie 'Pudhiya Ragam'. Thanks for introducing the song. Hearing it for the first time. Will have to agree with you. Mano does a great job. A very nice free flowing melody.

For the raga interested guys / gals, this song seems to be based on Madhyamavathi.

[baroque]

Varna Vrindhaavanam
Ennum Undhaavumo
Janmam Unarumo
Kannan Undhaavumo Raadhayundhaavumo Raasavanikaiyil
Nava Vasantha Vizhikai Varumo
Vanamurali Uruki Varumo
Ennu Varumo
En Veyil Varumo....Kaliyoonjal(1997)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy7FC-17DFg

Navratri blessings from Shri.Ilayaraaja! :musicsmile:
:ty: Shri.Ilayaraaja!
Vinatha.

[tvsankar]

plum and suresh,

Mano song - Deivangal kann parthadhu - song
of the day ku - stock panni irundhen.....

ada da .......

yes Suresh... IR's Great Madhyamavathi...

sorry suresh.. Not Madhyamavathi..

idhu Brindhavana SAranga .. i think...............

en son - enaku thavam irundhu vandhavan..
so this song has a GREAT VALUE in my Life...

[priya32]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LX2qNzgcoA

Wonderful Composition!

[baroque]

:musicsmile: aa kanulalO kalala naa....RAG HINDOLAM
:ty: FOR THE VISUAL.
vinatha.

[Sureshs65]

Vinatha,

Thumbs up to both the tracks listed by you. Kaliyoonjalu is an album which I like a lot. Initially I used to like only this song and 'saradindu pADi'. It was that time when it was a fashion to dismiss Raja's music as 'not upto the mark'. Later when I heard the other songs, I was quite impressed by all of them. Especially the 'kalyAna pallakil' by Bhavatarini. A nice rhythm, kanda chapu, based song.

Reg 'A kanulalO' I think I have already written a lot about the Raja Vamsi combination and don't want to repeat myself except to say that I want to hit the repeat button for this song :D

[Sureshs65]

Yes priya. Wonderful composition indeed. We can pass our lives just by listening to Raja's composition in any one language and he goes and does magic in 5 languages :)

Usha, you can still feature it in the Song of the Day. It will be nice to read your analysis. As I had once stated it is quite difficult for me to tell apart Madhyamavathi and Brindava Saranga in the film music context. I go by which feel dominates. In this song I think it was more Madhyamavathi. Anyway, does it matter? :) We have a lovely song in our hands and that is what matters.

[baroque]

Suresh :musicsmile:

[Saagar]

The song Varna Vrindavanam (in Kaliyoonjalu) has versio ns sung by Chitra (in the film) and by IR (Audio). The IR version is a must listen for people who also understand the language! It's a revelation of how much IR has sung the song with "feel" - Probably the song IR has sung thoroughly enjoying it & letting the listeners know that he's enjyoing it personally!

[Sureshs65]

Saagar,

I did have the tape once which had Raja singing 'varna vrindavanam'. Unfortunately I lost that tape and the later one I bought did not have the IR version but only the Chitra version. Any online links from where we can download IR version?

[tvsankar]

suresh,
ipo dhan enaku varna virndhavanam - IR version
kedachadhu...
en kite irukae.......

[Sureshs65]

Oh great Usha. I will try and get it from you.

The tape I have has 'Kaliyoonjal' on one side and 'Pranaya Varnangal' on the other side. 'Pranaya Varnagal' music is by Vidyasagar. It is also a nice soundtrack with a couple of good melodies.

In my mind's ear I play 'shAradendu pADi' and I listen to that sax like instrument for brief moments between the words. Wonderful.

[tvsankar]

varna virundhavanam - IR version
dhan
nalaiki sotd.......
upload panidaren suresh..
is it ok?


prayanayavarnangal - aaro viral meeti
manasin manveenaiyai.. VS dhanae MD.....

enna ragam?

[Sureshs65]

Thanks Usha. I will wait for your posting.

Currently listening to this song, 'marangaL tharum' from 'Druva Natchatiram'. This song was pointed out by CSR in the yahoo group. What a lovely song. An unknown chorus singing this very touching and soothing song. Check this out at:

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00123.html

[tvsankar]

suresh,
Thanks for your waiting...
kandipa inniki post panren..

Marangal tharum - Yes. Great finding by CSR.

Ennoda views solanam nu iruken. indha paatai pathi...

IR's composiiton - Neraiya solradhu Suresh......

[Plum]

plum and suresh,

Mano song - Deivangal kann parthadhu - song
of the day ku - stock panni irundhen.....

ada da .......

yes Suresh... IR's Great Madhyamavathi...

sorry suresh.. Not Madhyamavathi..

idhu Brindhavana SAranga .. i think...............

en son - enaku thavam irundhu vandhavan..
so this song has a GREAT VALUE in my Life...

Oh, do feature it in SOTD. I remember what you wrote about Mazhai varuvadhu...so sort of when I posted this, I kind of expected this reaction :-)

"piLLai chelvangaL pEsum deivangaL ellOrkkum vAippadhillai". Nice, simple lyrics but it is the tune, music and the singing(surprise, surprise from Mano) that elevate it. One can feel the emotion in the tune. I think every MD's fans will say that their favourites' music has emotional impact on them, and has resonance in real life. Yet, I find that this is true of Raja the most. I dont think such a subtle shade of emotion has been expressed by anyone else in the tune. I know, I know there is the bombastic Annai song by Bhanumathi and there are scores of songs that talk about motherhood and parenthood. But the words above, if you give a musical form to that Ekkam, that helplessness, that desire, it can only take the form of this tune. This is where Raja is unsurpassable - again, this is not surprising since before him, the focus was on technialities w.r.t carnatic and after him, the focus is on technicalities w.r.t world music. I dont think anybody worried about placing premium on narrative integrity OVER AND ABOVE musical ideas as him. And to think that there was no dearth of musical ideas from him even within this corner he boxed himself into!

[Sureshs65]

I dont think anybody worried about placing premium on narrative integrity OVER AND ABOVE musical ideas as him. And to think that there was no dearth of musical ideas from him even within this corner he boxed himself into!

Excellently put. Absolutely, fully and vehemently agree with you.

[tvsankar]

plum,
Thanks for ur nice words...

Mazhai varudhu - enna ezhudhinen...
enga ezhidhinen....

theriyalaiyae.... solraiya......

[Plum]

in this same thread. thEdi edukkaNumna kashtam - you were talking about the personal resonance of the theme of the song about meeting the son after a long time...

[tvsankar]

oh....
appadiya....

nyabagam varalai plum....
no prob..
thedi kashta pada vendam..

ipo irukara feelings um serthi,
exhudhidaren...

Afer all Feelings..... tats all plum.

[Hulkster]

Ajantha (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00028.html)

This album was not received that well by us fans and as well the general public. A pity because there is some genuine class with respect to the orchestration in this album.

Engey irundhai isai really mixes alot of musical forms in its ludes especially the second interlude which really befits the lyrics. Listen to thalaivar's version and you can feel the groove setting in.

If a album was to be made as an instrumental from thalaivar's massive warehouse, this would be one of them.

[tvsankar]

Hulkster.
Thiraipadal ipo work agalai..
(its under service Hulk...)
Ungaluku work aradha.....

song kaeka - vera link thango....

[tvsankar]

Engae senralum - kannukulae.....

IR oda madhyamavathi.... its enough to me..

Its a Great song to me.....

Sethuten....

Solai kuyilae - mudhal - engae sernalum

varai

IR oda madhyamavathi - nejama koduthu vechu irukom......

chinna correction - shri ragam madhiri thonudhae.....

( munna ellam - IR songs ragam - 2 ragam 3 ragama thonudhudhae. ragam kandu pidika theiryama ularareno nu...kavalai paten.but its not a prob.
IR songs la 2 ,3 ragam iruku. Idhan Raaja.. )

Sandhoshama sethu pogalam.... IR madhyamavathi
kaetundu.......

[tvsankar]

Paazhasi raaja - Great album....

aadhiushath - reminds me 2 songs....

1. Orea mugam by SPS

2. Iravu pagalai theda

ellam orae ragamo???

[Sureshs65]

Yup Usha. In my current list it has only been Pazhassiraja for the past few days. Every song is a gem and Raja has done so much in each of these songs that it will take a long time for us to understand what all he has done. To give the devil his due, inspite of all this, he keep the predominant feeling of each song intact. It never ceases to amaze me as to how he does it.

[rajkumarc]

Pudhu Pournami Nilavugal from Kannukulley. A lovely song to listen in the quiet of the night. The feel of romance is everywhere in this song.

[suvai]

varna vrinthavanam - from IR's song of the day part 2..................:-)

[Plum]

Rasathnthram in asianet. Not outstandinh but aathin karai is goose pimples stuff...

[tvsankar]

plum,
athin karai - indha paatukaga ukkandhu
pathutu - kitchen ku ponen.....

so soothing....

[Plum]

I thought the bgm was a bit off though - constantly commenting on the happenings. Not required for a simple movie like this I thought.
Meera Jasmine - forever condemned by the compulsions of parading only a percentage of her skills in deference to the bigger tamil market.
Her time has gone I think 0- without even arriving properly - hindla priyanka choprallaam get great roles :-(

[Sureshs65]

Plum and Usha,

Coincidentally was hearing 'ponnAvNi' from the same movie in my car. Remembered what Usha Uthup said about this song. "What a movement this song has!!!" Very true. I think Rasathantram was a very nice album suiting the mood of the movie well.

[Sureshs65]

Plum,

I haven't seen Rasatantram but in Vinodayatra, Raja reigns himself fully and you can hear some BGM only in the second half.

[Sureshs65]

After a long time, 'orE nAL unai nAn nilAvil pArthadhu'. Those early years of Raja!!

After screening lot of gems for the late 70s and 80s, Sun Music suddenly has started screening lot of modern 'classics', as in the movies they buy / produce. 'Ayan', 'Padikadhavan', 'Masilamani' etc. Someone must have told them that people are enjoying themselves listening to those old songs. You cant let that happen, can you? :) (I feel there should be some law enacted which prohibits the channel from playing the songs from the films that they buy / produce)

[thumburu]

I know that the movie "Azhagar Malai" has come and gone without a trace.
I happened to hear the songs recently and Iam just not impressed.
Only "Enna senjaalum" and "karugamaNi" pass the muster.
I would have loved "Enna senjaalum" if only it were not a rehash of "thaanandhana kummi kotti" from "Adhisaya Piravi" or "muthu natraamam" of TIS. The only song that has real, live orchestration and good singing by Tippu and Ponni. KarugamaNi is a catchy tune but where have those magnificent ludes that Raja used to conjure up vanished? This is the most worrisome aspect of the Raja of today.The "aasaiya kaaathula"[Johnny fame] beats are reused here , but with synth.
"kizhakku veLukkudhu" has the most annoying pallavi and rabble rousing beats. This is also a rehash of scores of old Raja songs like "seevi sidukkedhutha" of "Vetri vizhaa","thevaaram nolkum" from "Rasathanthiram".How very unimaginative!!! Even the melody in few lines of charanam with some bass there doesnt succeed in sustaining the interest for the overall song. The less said about the Raja solo "ulagam ippo" , the better. This is at best a tv serial song with a boring tune like a Christian prayer song and lacklustre interludes, not to mention about the retrograde lyrics which irir123 had lamented. "Unnai enakku" could have sounded a lot better without the usual spoiler, unprofessional Bhavatharini. The hollow synth beats only add to the woes, with the only solace offered by a tiny solo violin bit before the second charanam, playing a lovely Hamsadhwani. The last "muthamma" is best ignored, a kutthu number which is a rework of "aaLaana naaL mudhalaa" - "kadhal kavidhai". I sort of agree with Shankar's remark that Raja has simply sleep-walked thru these songs without much of an effort and people have also paid him back by the same coin.

[tvsankar]

PUdhu pournami - thanks to rajkumar....

Mohana ragam madhiri irukae...

Nice tune....

Original sound kaekara effect ai

Synth sound il tharum Raaja Vaazhga........

[tvsankar]

thumburu,
IR - synth sound ai experiment pannindu irukar..

explore panni mudichadhum - Full effect

kedaikum namaku... wait for some years..

Then only we could see Our Raaja in Synth sound...

it is just experimenting process..

idhu dhan en feelings ..........

[AravindMano]

Meera Jasmine - forever condemned by the compulsions of parading only a percentage of her skills in deference to the bigger tamil market.
Her time has gone I think 0- without even arriving properly - hindla priyanka choprallaam get great roles :-(

Sad indeed. I think indha hub-layae namma reNdu perum dhaan Meera vukkaaga adikkadi varuththapadarom. (vera edho thread la idhukku munna we spoke about her)

What is more puzzling - Some of the films she choses are total crap. ('Aadhi NarayaNa'nu oru trailer varudhu, paaththudaadheenga!) And she always stays in the news for wrong reasons. Sigh.

And she is out of Sathyan Anthikad camp, Mallu industry, Tamil industry as well. Telugu i am not sure. One more actress wasted!

[raajarasigan]

After a long time, 'orE nAL unai nAn nilAvil pArthadhu'. Those early years of Raja!!

After screening lot of gems for the late 70s and 80s, Sun Music suddenly has started screening lot of modern 'classics', as in the movies they buy / produce. 'Ayan', 'Padikadhavan', 'Masilamani' etc. Someone must have told them that people are enjoying themselves listening to those old songs. You cant let that happen, can you? :) (I feel there should be some law enacted which prohibits the channel from playing the songs from the films that they buy / produce)
I was also watching this program regularly for quite some time... but once they started playing the new songs, I skip this program now... there is NO difference from what they are playing in the whole day... the program name Ninaithale Inikkum does NOT suit the song list.... but anyway I don't like the VJ.. usually I was muting whenever he talked....

Suresh,

Have you noticed one thing in this program?? It is a live program but still you would NOT have heard any male / gents calling in this program... quite strange :roll:

[Sureshs65]

raajarasigan,

Very true about not hearing any male voices. Added to it is the fact that for a few weeks all the callers were asking for older songs and suddenly all callers are enlightened and ask only for the latest Sun produced movies songs :lol:

[Sureshs65]

thumburu,

I feel that inspite of Bhavatarini, 'Unnai Enakku' is a nice Hamsadhwani number.

[raagas]

thumburu,

I feel that inspite of Bhavatarini, 'Unnai Enakku' is a nice Hamsadhwani number.

I agree. Its a fantastic Hamsadhwani. Just that i somehow dont like bhavatharini's voice.

[Plum]

Meera Jasmine - forever condemned by the compulsions of parading only a percentage of her skills in deference to the bigger tamil market.
Her time has gone I think 0- without even arriving properly - hindla priyanka choprallaam get great roles :-(

Sad indeed. I think indha hub-layae namma reNdu perum dhaan Meera vukkaaga adikkadi varuththapadarom. (vera edho thread la idhukku munna we spoke about her)

What is more puzzling - Some of the films she choses are total crap. ('Aadhi NarayaNa'nu oru trailer varudhu, paaththudaadheenga!) And she always stays in the news for wrong reasons. Sigh.

And she is out of Sathyan Anthikad camp, Mallu industry, Tamil industry as well. Telugu i am not sure. One more actress wasted!

yes, aravind. I remember that thread. I think that was in the context of orE kadal. Telugu movie choices can be safely ignored. Quick money scheme-nu vutturalAm. It is the lack of Malayalam opportunities for her that is saddening. Saw snatches of Calcutta news. Irrespective of the movie's quality, a fine performance.
Also, one more thing I noticed is the jyothikan over-expressions she added to her quiver for the tamil market are showing up in the mallu movies, too. Sad, indeed.

[app_engine]

ஊமை நெஞ்சின் ஓசைகள் காதில் கேளாதோ (ஆனந்தக்கும்மி)

Sweet song :-)

Generally I don't like SPB-SJ to sing a pathos duet and Raja mostly understands this (reading listeners' minds?). Quick examples that come to mind are the pathos versions of potthi vachcha malliga mottu and rOjAvaiththAlAttum thendRal where only SJ is let to cry as solo. SPB-SJ duet has to be happy, energetic, bubbly, enthusiastic in my choice but this song is not.

Still this song goes in smoothly, thanks to wonderful orchestration and the late entry of SPB.

The lead guitar in second interlude - especially the ending part - is fabulous (also recorded great)!

[Sureshs65]

Other than 'Pazhassiraja', to 'pudhu poUrnami nilavu' and 'engE nI sendralum'. Both excellent melodies. Ofcourse, I don't think the movie is having a good run. So a couple of outstanding songs 'wasted' on a average / poor film. (I have not seen the film but going by absolute lack of any news about the movie in the press or on TV, I don't think it has been a success.) But then good music is never wasted. Some of us are enjoying it now. Some others will enjoy it five years down the line when Usha Akka hosts it as the song of the day, saying, 'Wow. Never heard this song. Such a wonderful song' :)

[tvsankar]

suresh,
ahhahaha..

nanum solven.. ipo dhan kaekaren indha paatai nu.....
heheheehhe...

[tvsankar]

suresh,
as per your wish - after 5 years,
inga irupenaa.....
songs solvenaa.........

nice of you suresh.......

[rajkumarc]

Re-visiting Namrata Ke Sagar - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86LscyJhNY

What a composition... the flute pieces throughout are so haunting and just melts your heart.

[Plum]

Mayil pola pommu onnu. On the face of it, an undeserved national award. But happened to give a few listens recently. Raises a few questions? What is playback singing? How important are sruthi and laya here? Should we submit to the classical mafia that demands purity of adherence to classical norms of singing? Or is the emotion portrayed on screen more important?
In this song, has bhavadhareni slipped in terms of laya or shruti? I mean, that's the general impression but have people heard this song closely? Does she bring out the adoloscent infatuted boy's immature 'poetry' attempt well? I think so. I guess one would have to credit ir for this given that he determines the slightest movement his singers have to follow.

One doesn't know the competitors for bhava that year but by itself, this song and the way it has been sung serve the purpose on screen extremely well.

Don't ever talk about undeserved awrd for this song to me again, I say!

[raajarasigan]

after a long time, today I listened to Aattama therottama from Captain Prabakaran... man what a rhythm this song is having!!! we should listen this with a very good surround sound system....

expecially in the first interlude, there is a tribal sound... sounds like a flute but I don't think it was from the flute...

arguably the best item song ever!!!

[thumburu]

thumburu,
IR - synth sound ai experiment pannindu irukar..

explore panni mudichadhum - Full effect

kedaikum namaku... wait for some years..

Then only we could see Our Raaja in Synth sound...

it is just experimenting process..

idhu dhan en feelings ..........
Usha, You are an IR Old timer and very well know that IR used synth way back late 70's itself ["madai thirandhu", "paruva kaalangaLin kanavu" etc ] but with right blend of synthesizers and living instruments. Do u think "unnai enakku" is even a patch on "mayile mayile un thogai enge " from an obscure "kadavuL amaitha medai"? May be you have come to terms with the new synth-keyboard for filler interlude Raja. Iam yet to digest this.
Suresh, IMO a song is primarily as good as the singer . Bulldozer Bhava managed to raze down even a classic like "alai meedhu viLaiyadum" , "unnai enakku" ellaam avarukku emmaathiram?

[thumburu]

plum, enakku onnum aatshebanai illai on that song and some few "paappaa malar" songs

[tvsankar]

May be you have come to terms with the new synth-keyboard for filler interlude Raja. Iam yet to digest this.


Yes thumburu. Idhan solla vandhen.

Neraiya variety iruku. some instruments per kuda
solla mudiyadhu.

Peculiar sounds....

Great innovation indeed.....

[app_engine]

கல்லுக்குள்ளே வந்த ஈரம் என்ன, நெஞ்சுக்குள்ளே அன்பின் பாரம் என்ன!

நீயென்ன மாயம் செய்தாய்
நீருக்குள் தீயை வைத்தாய்!

(எஸ்.பி.பி. / ஜானகி, மனிதனின் மறுபக்கம்)

Never heard this song before which has one of those IR's custom made rhythms. I loved the saraNam portion which is quite classy.

After listening to this song last evening, it keeps playing in mind all the time - must be having something strong in it - what is the rAgA?

[tvsankar]

shri ragam and madhyamavathi - rendum iruku nu
nenaikaren app...

Madhyamavathi dhan dominating....

[app_engine]

Thanks UshAkkA, the song is quite haunting!

Also listened to 'iLanjOlai pooththadhA' during the morning drive today. Classic!
(Last saturday I've had this CD in hand during a get-together with a few local families, mostly American and one Punjabi and they were terribly impressed, contrary to my expectations. Possibly because a few among the crowd were experts in playing drums and the percussion in this song is very impressive!).

Sad that this kind of exotic songs have become extinct in the current TFM :-(

[tvsankar]

app,
Yes. very true.. Ana ipadiyae irukatum..

Sila vishayam - Kedaikama pona than
arumai theiryum..

andha madhiri than 80s Raaja's compositions and
HIs instrumentations......

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

'kallukulle' used to be played by Sun Music a bit regularly during their 11 o clock slot before they decided to educate us about the latest numbers. (That seems to be their only mission in life. Only we still remain the ignorant folks :))

Anyway this is a superb song and as Usha says, a Madhyamavathi based number.

[kiru]

thumburu ..you are the second person (after my wife) I have heard who said ulagam ippO sounds like a christian prayer song. Also, agree with you on bhava being a spoiler in unnai enakku. And hats off to your music knowledge . That said, allow a sangeetha gnana soonyam like me argue out some things with you.
karugumani is one of my recent favorites and since you took a potshot at it, i have to respond :-) . Interludes are an IR innovation (maybe MSV's). THat is not the norm. karugumani is groovy and so the rhythm is carried through the interludes. No big deal. All songs dont really have to have a percussion-less interludes which many of us IR fans relish when it comes from the master.
Re: synths - yes. I too do not like IRs full synth versions, but if you notice carefully that is an industry trend. Others use off-the shelf beats or loops, IR is getting them programmed. So with IR it seems/sounds a little weird especially with this very indian sounding tunes (our own people are calling our music ethnic :- ( ). I have to agree with Usha that IR is experimenting with synth. I feel that IR has gone to the extent of making the western drum kit an indian instrument (probably not like violin yet). karugumani is very folksy but the main percussion is the drumkit with bongos or some instrument overlaid on top.

Pazhassi Raja is a good example of effective use of synth instruments especially rhythm. Another example is nilavu varum nEram from jagan mohini. I think IR is almost there. (Note, because he does things all by himself, the finish quality takes years to get to perfection).

[Plum]

christian prayer maadhiri irukkunnA? Epdi? Direct lift-A? illai general feel-A?
If it is the former, substantiate
If it is the latter, how is that a disqualifier for a song? Christian prayer maadhiri paattellAm TFM-la vandha deiva kuthamA? :huh:

[thumburu]

Usha/Suresh "kannukuLLe" is a classic Brindhavana Saranga and not Madhyamavathi though IR often uses Brindavani phrases in a Madhyamavathi song [ Example "adi penne" ].
Kiru, on "karugamani", potshot ellam illai . It is my only pick from "Azhagar malai". I find it groovy but its my wish the interludes were more organic, elaborate like the 80's kind. Instead of reusing the "aasaiya kaathule" pattern, he could have given us a fresh rythm pattern. Ellam oru long time IR fanoda aadhangam thaan.
plum, its ofcourse the latter. But remember, its the same Raja who gave us the mind blowing "devan thiruchabai malargaLe" or "devanin kovil moodiya neram"

[tvsankar]

thumburu,
thanks for the correction..

wat about - Deivangal kan parthadhu...

[genesis]

Its a radio program (Stanford University) about the use of western classical music techniques in tamil movie songs by IR.

http://itsdiff.com/files/StyleofIllayaraja-www-itsdiff-com-Part1of3.mp3
http://itsdiff.com/files/StyleofIllayaraja-www-itsdiff-com-Part2of3.mp3
http://itsdiff.com/files/StyleofIllayaraja-www-itsdiff-com-Part3of3.mp3

[jaiganes]

Its a radio program (Stanford University) about the use of western classical music techniques in tamil movie songs by IR.

http://itsdiff.com/files/StyleofIllayaraja-www-itsdiff-com-Part1of3.mp3
http://itsdiff.com/files/StyleofIllayaraja-www-itsdiff-com-Part2of3.mp3
http://itsdiff.com/files/StyleofIllayaraja-www-itsdiff-com-Part3of3.mp3

Thanks Very very very much

[tvsankar]

genesis,
Thanks a lot for the links.

[Sureshs65]

'vAnambAdigaL' from the much maligned 'Kannukulle' :) (Shankar, the award for coining the most memorable phrase in this forum this year, 'kannukulle mannukulle', goes to you :)

After a couple of listens I find this a nice song. Not something which is like an all time classic but a charming song of joy and optimism. I like a few nice phrases that Muthukumar comes up with. For example, 'puttagathil vaithinrunda mayiliragAi nigazh kAlam'. The words and the tune at the place are very soothing. Give it a listen if you have the patience and you may find it a nice song.

[Sanjeevi]

KannukullE album

hmmm


even the medicore song 'Pattukkenna' has v.good first saranam. Anybody feel this?.

IR even in his glorious 80s has given medicore like this 'Pattukkenna', an example is 'Vaa veliye' from the movie which has outstanding 'Malaiyoram veesum kathu'.

[Sanjeevi]

என் கண்மணியே கண்மணியே (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztz8n-AXG8Q)

90s Raaja :thumbsup:

fun song. I doubt any other MDs can give such variety, such number of fun songs!

[ezy0265]

Sanjeevi,

The one most stricking thing I noticed in Pattukkena is the amazing way he has transformed the percussion in the song...just listen to it at 2 mins onwards....listening to just that potion itself will not give you a faint idea of how the song started off and yet....you don't feel a single moment that the percussion is changing so drastically.That smooth flow in the song I think can only be created by IR. I feel that Kizhakku Velukkuthu from Alagar Malai also has such beautiful seamless transition in the song which did not give any feeling of abrupt change along the way.

[VENKIRAJA]

Rojapoo aadi vandhadhu (AN)
S.Janaki!

[Sanjeevi]

Interludes of Adiyusa reminds me "Sundari Kannal Oru Sethi" of Thalapathi and rthym reminds "Maasi Maasam Aalana ponnu" of Dharma durai. And during the end, it was Thiruvasagam songs came to my mind. Ambum kombum definitely a fun song with full of enerty after long time from IR. Though recently IR has given some good fun energetic song like Valmiki's 'Adicha', this song is something special.


Almost in all ludes IlayaRaja amazes me after long time and it seems he still want to experiment something and did. Somehow I feel he decided to do another successful round in IFM or WFM :). PR is a small sample i think :wink: .

[thumburu]

Suresh, please give a listen to Vidhyasagar's "nakshathira paravaikku" with lots of symphonic feel . I expected IR to come up with something better like "vaan meedhile adhi kaalai nera raagam" or "vaanengum thanga vinmeengaL" for such situations . Hence the disappointment . Sanjeevi, I liked the 2nd charanam of "paattu kekka" , sans Bhavatharini and which is not the same as the first . What a blasphemy!!! "vaa veLiye" is such a classic competition song composed in "Gujari thodi" raagam which resembles ShubhapanthuvaraaLi

[Sureshs65]

thumburu,

Which movie is the Vidyasagar song from?

[app_engine]

ஏ பி சி, நீ வாசி, எல்லாம் உன் கைராசி ஸோ ஈஸி (ஒரு கைதியின் டைரி) this morning (realized it's a night song as I got reminded of the "detailed analysis" that the lines of this song got during the college days :wink: There are both official and unofficial silEdai - paLLiyaRai is e.g. for official)

The visuals are so strongly embedded in the mind and so jump right in front during listening :-) VJ is the apt choice for singing as "teacharammA", one of the few songs that are made for her.

[Plum]

VJ is the apt choice for singing as "teacharammA", one of the few songs that are made for her.

:lol:

[Sureshs65]

Yesterday I bought a CD titled 'Duets of Distinction' (Don't ask me if other duets aren't :) )

Here is the song list. Currently enjoying all these songs.

1. Guruvayoorappa
2. Manin eru kangal konda
3. Valaiyosai
4. Malare Pesu (What a song!!)
5. Mansu Mayangum (Love the Telugu version more)
6. Naan Tedum (What a flow this song has)
7. Adhikalai
8. Ae Rajathi
9. O Vasantha Raja
10. Ninaithathu (Paatuku Oru Talaivan - I havent heard this song earlier)
11. Meenamma
12. Solai Ilakuyile
13. Poothu Poothu
14. Sengkamalam
15. Marugo Marugo

Someone has done a nice compilation.

[rajkumarc]

That's a nice collection Suresh. Ninaithathu Yaaro is a lovely song, sung by Mano & Gikki.

It's very special for the one reason that Gikki sung it even though her age shows up in the singing.

[rajkumarc]

Unable to come out of Nage Endhidhe from Pallavi AnuPallavi for the past 2 days and SJ's rendition is the main reason.

I love the picturization too. In similar lines to Azhagiya Kanne from Uthiri Pookal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N93Bk-NP308

Now going to Pazhassi Raja. That album requires a lifetime of listening :)

[Plum]

Rajkuma, yes, nagu endhidhe has that effect. In a perfect song, janaki's second interlude humming with a mix of melancholy, a subdued joy ainner discovery, oneness with nature and what life has to offer...anubavichu, characterisation purindhu potta paadal. Idhellaam nuances bound to go unnoticed...hmmm...

[rajkumarc]

Rajkuma, yes, nagu endhidhe has that effect. In a perfect song, janaki's second interlude humming with a mix of melancholy, a subdued joy ainner discovery, oneness with nature and what life has to offer...anubavichu, characterisation purindhu potta paadal. Idhellaam nuances bound to go unnoticed...hmmm...
:thumbsup: great comments Plum.

That humming in the second interlude is amazing. There is a similar humming by SJ in Metti Oli Katrodu. I think it evokes the same feel.

[Sureshs65]

rajkumarc,

It is a difficult song to sing as well since the rhythm goes quite asynchronous with the free flow of the song. If you observe, the rhythm has a staccato feel to it while the song itself is very free flowing. I am sure they would have recorded this 'live' during those days and it takes a master to sing correctly in the face of such a rhythm going on in the background.

SPB has mentioned this for many Raja songs, this seeming difference between the way the song moves and the rhythm. He did not talk about this particular song though.

As usual, Raja hides all these technicalities and what people get to hear is a great song. (I remember hearing it for the first in some FM station, yes, you heard it right, FM station. As soon as the song started I was more than sure it was by Raja. No doubt at all. Didn't know which movie. Only later discovered that it was from Pallavi Anupallavi. I bought that tape without knowing this song was part of the tape. Sometimes life offers you some pleasant surprises as well !! :) )

[Sureshs65]

Thanks for info on Jikki, raj. I guess Jikki also sang the song 'jaanavule' from 'Aditya 369'. That song is tuned in the old style and it suits Jikki's voice well.

[Hulkster]

The EXTRA song(marriage welcoming) from Jaganmohini with the symphonic swells at the end credits. Starts with lyrics something like Indru Namakku Thirunaal Thirunaal. I wish i knew what instruments were used cause the whole gang of them were inside.

:notworthy: :clap:

[Sureshs65]

rajkumarc,

Thanks for the link to the 'nagu endide' song. It has been a while since I listened to it. As Plum says, a perfect song. And of course, the wonderful bass that follows throughout. Sheer bliss.

Hulk: I am sure you are searching for so I am waiting for you to post some online link to the song you have mentioned :) Does this mean you have seen the movie? I appreciate your courage!! :)

[Hulkster]

Yup i did see the movie, review posted in the new albums thread. :D Hopefully i can post the one that specifically comes in the end credits. Its really scintillating.

[Sureshs65]

Read your review Hulk. A nice one. Waiting to hear this song. 'nilavu varum neram' has been a recent favorite of mine (before PR took over my time ) So if you say that another song in the movie is better than 'nilavu varum' I am definitely interested in listening to it.

[Hulkster]

When it comes with the symphonic swells it is better than NVN but originally it is quite situation centric although it has a very good rhythm to it and i dunt think i will put it on that pedestal(Nilavu Varum Neram is certainly more impressive here).

But when the classical orchestration comes in together with that rhythm interlocked, :omg: :frightened:

[tvsankar]

Hulk,
Nilavu varum neram - picturisation
pathi solla mudiyuma .. detail aga...

[Hulkster]

WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD

Nilavu Varum Neram happens when Jaganmohini(Namitha is now a spirit) wants to make love with her lover. The prelude matches the starting scene of the situation where namitha is gliding throughout the sky. I have got to say, all the songs in the movie match the situation exactly with none of the rhythms misplaced.

[Sureshs65]

Was listening to a song which starred Vijayakanth and Sangeetha. The song was sung by Unni and Bhava. This was a bad recording so I may be wrong about Unni (not about Bhava though). The song went something like 'malai meedu varum katre manadukul vaarayo' (?) Again the recording robbed me of the clarity. Anyone knows which film this is?

[littlemaster1982]

Vijayakanth and Sangeetha acted in "Alexander". Music by KR.

[Sureshs65]

Thanks LM for the tip. I got the song now. It is 'Nadiorum Veesum Thendral'. I had this song in the CD which had most of the songs by Raja and hence I was confused. A nice song.

[Plum]

Suresh, sing the anupallavi of that song - neerodu neeraga, naanangal poraada - you"ll get into aagaya gangai poondhen. Malar choodi automatically. No wonder you were hooked