IR News and Other Titbits Ver.2009

[Bala (Karthik)]

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Great news!!

Raja is preparing for a live concert in Mumbai, Delhi and Chennai in collaboration with the Hungary Symphony Orchestra. He will perform on January 26 in Mumbai.

He is scoring for another Hindi film Mausam currently with BSO!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/music/Ilaiyaraaja-unplugged/articleshow/5167592.cms


The couple has planned Ilaiyaraaja’s three concerts where he will play Tiruvacakam, the ancient sacred hymns. Accompanying Ilaiyaraaja will be the Hungary Symphony Orchestra and its conductor Laszlo Kovacs.
:bluejump: :redjump: :clap: (konjam nervous a-vum irukku.. hope it goes well)
Kamaan Raasa :yes:[/tscii:e701fdff6e]

[AravindMano]

Exciting news indeed! :D

But only thiruvaasagam a? :? I would love to hear it with BSO ofcourse (romba kashtam live la :shock: ) !

[Bala (Karthik)]

(romba kashtam live la :shock: ) !
That's what i feel too. As ironic as it sounds, doing this one live (SO-naale live music-ku thaan nu irundhaalum) will be quite something. It will be the pinnacle if they pull it off

[AravindMano]

Yeah, konjam nervous a dhaan irukku :oops:

Wish he does something special too, like the two pieces he did for Italy show.

[krish244]

Indeed very interesting news. HSO and Laszlo Kovacs are involved!

Even I am wondering why only Thiruvaasagam and not other IR songs.

thanks,

Krishnan

[raagas]

He is scoring for another Hindi film Mausam currently with BSO!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/music/Ilaiyaraaja-unplugged/articleshow/5167592.cms

There is some goof up in information. The article says Mausam is a forthcoming film of Pankaj Kapur made by Bhavna Talwar. But Pankaj Kapur-Bhavna Talwar's film was supposedly called "Happi". Either they changed the film title, or times of india got it wrong. But chances of Mausam being an altogether different film, are very less. There is some confusion somewhere.

[app_engine]

http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/id/Ilayaraja_goes_live_31823.html

Same news. Just adds some more factual errors, like CK was IR's last Hindi movie etc :-)

(BTW, I recently heard and liked a couple of songs in chal chalein, quite catchy)

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

I liked 'Chal Chalein' songs quite a bit. Not like they are all time classics but very enjoyable songs.

[Sanjeevi]

I think Thiruvasagam will be the main portion and other portions will be occupied by some other songs (cine songs)

[Sanjeevi]

Tamil Version of Pazassi Raaja (http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14917271) released :) in Chennai for CM

[jaiganes]

http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/id/Ilayaraja_goes_live_31823.html

Same news. Just adds some more factual errors, like CK was IR's last Hindi movie etc :-)

(BTW, I recently heard and liked a couple of songs in chal chalein, quite catchy)

hhkkum. ippo vandhu sollunga.
inge ellaarum adhai kizhichu thonga uttutaanga. Naan, Suresh, Rajasaranam, Hulkster indha naalu peru mattum padam producer kanakkaa koovinu irundhom paatellaam nalla irukkunnu. unga kittendhu innum speed edhirpaakaren.

[app_engine]

naalu peru mattum padam producer kanakkaa koovinu irundhom paatellaam nalla irukkunnu
:lol:

BTW, I heard them only a couple of days back (though it was in the computer sometime back).

Interestingly, my daughter first played it as she has recently learned to open Windows media player on her own. That seems to show all the albums on the machine with icons etc and she scrolls around clicking anything that she feels like. The song which goes like ek-do-teen...duss..buss, buss, buss has become her favourite and that's how I'm into this album :-)

[Sureshs65]

naalu peru mattum padam producer kanakkaa koovinu irundhom paatellaam nalla irukkunnu

:lol:

Jai: Reminds me of a movie in which the comedian(?) Karunas asks the police to turn quickly ("tuckunnu thirumbunga sir") to check out the antics of the hero. The police turn quite slowly and Karunas laments, 'idhu dhaana unga tukku' :)

Was listening to this again today and was enjoying these songs. 'tum bhi dhoondna' is very touching indeed. And I still can't figure out the south indian influence in the lori song, which everyone was talking about :think:

[kameshratnam]

Balu Mahendra has completed a story and he is working on its screen play. the film will star kamalhassan..music will be by

Source : Ananda vikatan today

[AravindMano]

Balu Mahendra has completed a story and he is working on its screen play. the film will star kamalhassan..music will be by



by?? Idhu varaikkum appadiyae padichittu vandhu stun aagi ninnutten naan. :lol: Raaja dhaane?

Kamal & BM uh!

[rajasaranam]

hhkkum. ippo vandhu sollunga.
inge ellaarum adhai kizhichu thonga uttutaanga. Naan, Suresh, Rajasaranam, Hulkster indha naalu peru mattum padam producer kanakkaa koovinu irundhom paatellaam nalla irukkunnu. unga kittendhu innum speed edhirpaakaren.

A Gift to you for this post : The End Title Music of Chal Chalein (http://www.mediafire.com/?mmtkqhzvtzz) ( The Rip Quality is not that good Iam waiting for a original DVD Till then Enjoy this). Listen to beautiful 'Jazzy' interpretation (or listening to this I wonder its us who missed out the Jazz part of it) Fused with Rock elements, of the 'Chal Chal Chalke' Song. :D Ilaiyaraaja only Possible :notworthy:

[Sureshs65]

RS,

Thanks for this rip. You had earlier posted the youtube link I remember. Lovely instrumental. As you say, very jazzy arrangement.

[Fliflo]

Raja wins Annual Malayalam Movie Award (AMMA) for Pazhassi Raja

http://www.forumkerala.com/malayalam-cinema/32966-annual-malayalam-movie-awards-amma-announced-lalettan-best-actor.html

[Fliflo]

[tscii:c981dbb718]Detals of the AMMA Award

The Annual Malayalam Movie Awards - AMMA - is the most popular movie awards happening in the Gulf region. The concept of this annual awards devoloped in 2006 and subsequently known as “the mother of all awards”. The awards are identified by public voting through online , sms, physical ballot papers, fax etc by considering the malayalam movies released in the running year. The awards are indentified, declared and distributed in the same year in front of more than 25,000 film lovers in anyone of the cities in the gulf .All the major media in gulf and india are supporting the voting and event . AMMA is organized by Asiavision Advertising with the support of Local Government Departments and prestigious sponsors.The entire concept is known as “the public Oscar in Malayalam movies” which is meant for promoting the quality of malayalam movie industry[/tscii:c981dbb718]

[sivasub]

Prasoon Joshi mentions about IR in the interview

http://sify.com/movies/bollywood/fullstory.php?id=14912430&cid=2359

[Hulkster]

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Quite recently ‘Inimey Naanga Dhaan’ won the Best Animation Music Award at the Golden Cursor Animation Awards 2008, initiated by CNBC TV18 and Arena Multimedia, and was also recognised and awarded by Tokyo Broadcasting Society, Japan, at Digicon 6+. The composer was Ilaiyaraja and the film had four songs

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2009/10/30/stories/2009103050110200.htm[/tscii:8f0c7c100d]

[app_engine]

From the "Sivaji v/s MGR" thread in the TF section; posted by a statistician cum editor of a TF based magazine :


Highest Box Office Grossers right from 1965 :

1976 - Annakkili - Sivakumar

Regards,
Pammalar.

:thumbsup:

Most of us know who the real hero of this movie is :wink:

[app_engine]

IR bashing on the web (and the hub / TFMpage) is nothing new. Currently it's happening in Rajinikanth thread in the TF section (i.e. RK is holy, wanted to keep IR for apt movies because he is punithar but this arrogant IR the villain snubbed him and instead opted for jaganmogini kind etc)

If you guys want some fun, visit TF section :-)

[app_engine]

PR's TF version less by 30 min:
http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=525510&disdate=11/7/2009

[Hulkster]

Actually none of them played any role. IR just moved away becos he wanted to focus on other sort of movies with the exception of mass entertainers. Rajini respects IR alot and wanted him to compose but we all know how IR sticks by his decision(Symphony still not released depite several requests).

But the problem is that people are trying to over exaggerate and imagine problems between these two. I thought it was quite obvious why IR moved away rather than stuff like "he has ego, he has problems". This totally reeks of media influence.

I am still dumbfounded by how that argument even managed to go that far in that thread. Why do people make such a big fuss when IR takes a simple stand which does not involve even a single controversy. Although his movie choices may not be that good nowadays, the part abt mass entertainers is something he has decided for a long time.

[Sureshs65]

Was watching 'Super Star Junior' program on Vijay TV. Now they have Illayaraja round. When Chitra, who is one of the judges, was asked to speak about Raja, she spoke a few sentences on Raja's music and concluded, "He is a rare creation of God." Wonderfully encapsulated.

[Sanjeevi]

Was watching 'Super Star Junior' program on Vijay TV. Now they have Illayaraja round. When Chitra, who is one of the judges, was asked to speak about Raja, she spoke a few sentences on Raja's music and concluded, "He is a rare creation of God." Wonderfully encapsulated.

Cha missed the show, hope will catch tomorrow atleast. Saw the advt of this pgm. The kid who sung 'entha poovilum vasam undu' is awesome and putham puthu kalai song too. Btw athu Super Singer Junior illa :roll:

[Fliflo]

Sanjeevi,

You may here those words from Chitra, Mano here. Especially, listen to first and second parts

http://tamil.techsatish.net/file/super-singer-51/.



best

Fliflo

[Sureshs65]

Yup Sanjeevi. It is indeed 'super Singer Junior'. Now I realize I have been watching many of them so much so that I have mixed up names of two shows!!! :D

[app_engine]

Stumbled on this (somewhat old) link when posting about Mohan (many silver jubilees) in the TF section :

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/04/29/stories/2005042903140100.htm



Ilaiyaraja, the music director who changed the Indian film music scene completely and gave it a global standing, had his humble beginnings in Kannada. He worked as assistant to the celebrated music director G.K. Venkatesh. It is interesting that "Enta soundarya nodu karunada beedu", a song that extols the Kannada land was composed by Ilaiyaraja.

[Sanjeevi]

http://www.whopopular.com/Isaignani-Ilayaraja

the above link says IR's occupation Street Singer :lol:
and music director


Thanks Fliflo :notworthy:

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

That's a lovely Kannada song sung by SPB, 'entha soundarya nodu'. Similarly Raja has composed 'thenekanna theyanidi telugu basha' extolling the virtues of Telugu language, in the film 'Rajkumar'. An excellent melody.

[AravindMano]

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'நான்கடவுளில்’ எல்லா இசைத்துணுக்கும் இளையராஜாவுடையதே. இணை இசை என்பதெல்லாம் பிழை. ராஜாவிடம் எவருமே அப்படி வேலைசெய்ய முடியாதென தெரிந்தவர்கள் அறிவார்கள்.[/tscii:250c8588b3]

[Sanjeevi]

http://jeyamohan.in/?p=5164

I had v.good reading, hope you also :)

JM's comment :lol:

[app_engine]

http://www.epathram.com/cinema/2009/11/blog-post_07.shtml

May not mean much but still for record's sake one more awardu for Rasa (KSC also gets for kunnaththE)

[Punnaimaran]

app_eng,

I heard that AMMA awards are considered to be Oscar awards in Malayalam Film Industry, though I'm not sure.

When Mamutty and Sharath Kumar came to Dubai for a program(may be for the promotion of PR) during GITEX Exhibition, there was some problem and the police had to step in.
So I avoided going for this award function.

[app_engine]

app_eng,
I heard that AMMA awards are considered to be Oscar awards in Malayalam Film Industry, though I'm not sure.


Thank you, that's good to know. I suspected that this is quite important as Lal & Hariharan came to collect in person :-)

[Fliflo]

PR music album release - Photo Album

http://www.nakkheeran.in/users/frmGalleryList.aspx?GV=254&GSS=4

[rajasaranam]

At Last Some News Abt Nandhalaala :|
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2009/November/171109c.asp

[Sanjeevi]

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/comment/2009/11/92435.html

If raja walk it is news he talk newso newsu :)

[app_engine]

Mr Sarath gets IR's certificate :-)

http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=528462&disdate=11/20/2009

[app_engine]

How many different fashions the same statement is being reported by media :lol:

See this :
http://tamil.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/20112009-4.shtml

They even try to read IR's mind (published it within brackets), implying that IR talked about eezham when talking about 'Adhi ushus sandhya'.

[app_engine]

No doubt most of us get emotional on the subject of people getting forced to evacuate their land.

In IR's case, as reported by him in the dinathanthi varalAru, he was also an eye witness to such a thing during childhood when people were dislocated for vaigai dam, causing a strong impression in his mind.

No wonder he gets emotional when such subjects come across. Possibly that's one of the reasons for his critique on the lyric.

[irir123]

At Last Some News Abt Nandhalaala :|
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2009/November/171109c.asp

i cant believe that after 2 decades (since 'mullum malarum' faced similar problems and kamal had to intervene then as well!), after 'sethu' faced similar problems (went on to create sensation once released!), even now in 2009, tamil cinema is filled with the same crappy, unimaginative, uncreative, bunch of morons running the show!

my admiration for kamal as an artiste, genuinely committed to quality cinema as an art form has increased further after this incident !

indha avala nilaikku karanam, fieldukku varra every tom, d*ck n harry wants to b a superstar n have spoilt the industry rotten

[app_engine]

[tscii:5beadffb3c]It's getting really interesting to compare the reporting styles of different groups.

http://tamil.webdunia.com/entertainment/film/featuresorarticles/0911/20/1091120069_1.htm

This website gives the following funny heading :

இளையராஜா – மலையாளிக்கு ம*ரியாதை :-)

Actually the contrary seems to be true, MalayaLees seem to appreciate him better than those of his current dwelling place.

Also it makes a last line statement :


இளையராஜாவையும் இப்படியொருவர் விமர்சிக்கும் போது அவரும் கோபப்படாமல் கைத்தட்டுவார் என நம்புவோம்.

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[jaiganes]

IR and his comments on 'Stars' - strongest case is the Madhiya chennai album.
Un vaazhve song is a case in point.
I donno if it was a personal opinion of Raja about stars. - however since he controls lyrics for quite an extent, the words like 'Rasigaraal uyarvargal, arasukkum alaivaargal' coming from the mouth of an industry insider - seems to be a strong strong statement and frankly raises my curiousity about the movie.

[Fliflo]

Is IR giving a performance in Dubai?? Any idea??

http://www.dreamzconcert2009.com/

[Punnaimaran]

Is IR giving a performance in Dubai?? Any idea??

http://www.dreamzconcert2009.com/

Here in Dubai, it's promoted as Yuvan's program. Don't think thailaivar will be present, because the promos do not mention his name.

[Sanjeevi]

http://www.saravanakumaran.com/2009/11/paa.html :)
http://panimalar.blogspot.com/2009/11/how-to-name-it.html - is it?

http://muralikkannan.blogspot.com/2009/01/1986.html :banghead:

[crvenky]

Kannukkkulle has an amazing title score - download from here and enjoy.

http://www.ziddu.com/download/7444279/Kannukkulletitlescore.mp3.html

[tvsankar]

Thank you Venky...

[rajasaranam]

Saw AD's of Mathiya Chennai in Todays dailies. The movie is releasing on 27th of this month.

[venkiks]

[tscii:bae1fde2b9]Another controversy here

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=Call+to+promote+Study+of+science&artid=|7Nbpdgz8Ss=&SectionID=lMx/b5mt1kU=&MainSectionID=lMx/b5mt1kU=&SEO=&SectionName=tm2kh5uDhixGlQvAG42A/07OVZOOEmts

Baby defends ONV

Education Minister M A Baby on Friday defended poet O N V Kurup against music maestro Ilayaraja’s criticism that ONV’s lyrics ‘Adiyushassandhya..’ in ‘Pazhassi Raja’ did not capture the desired mood.

“Vayalar, P Bhaskaran and ONV are poets who took Malayalam film songs to a higher level of creativity. Has Ilayaraja forgotten all that?’’ the Minister said.

Ilayaraja had criticised the lyrics during the audio release function for the film’s Tamil version the other day.[/tscii:bae1fde2b9]

[Fliflo]

The contexts are different. If my understanding is correct, IR was talking about his challenge in making a tune/rythm for the unalterable lyrics of ONV and how he came up with an unanticipated tune. I could see an intelligence there.

Minister interference is unnecessary.

[Hulkster]

Like i said this is beyond whatever thalaivar said, too much of media exaggeration and now minister?

Minister rombo vetti polarakku, intha matteril yellam intefere pennuraaru.

[Fliflo]

How many of you have read this article?


An "Unknown" Indian Film Music master
Posted By: Steven A. Kennedy


http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6175/An-%22Unknown%22-Indian-Film-Music-master/

[Hulkster]

How many of you have read this article?


An "Unknown" Indian Film Music master
Posted By: Steven A. Kennedy


http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6175/An-%22Unknown%22-Indian-Film-Music-master/

Almost all of us, it was initiated by irir123 and thats how this article came about. :D

[Fliflo]

Poof..Sorry I am too late then.. :bangcomp:

[kameshratnam]

Met a top man from a music channel which promoted TIS like anything. IR gave an interview in which he said " Without MSV i m nothing"

Next day this person gets a call from IR and IR said " Please cut the portion where i have said MSV is everything to me and he put down the phone"

:o

[Plum]

*******SARCASM ALERT****************
I met a old man, whose brother-in-law's friend has a cousin who is married to the sister of a Blind school teacher, who said that they went to invite IR for a school event, and he not only insulted the said teacher and executives but also snatched their previous collection and asked his watchman to beat them up and left them on the road with not even money to take a bus.
*******END SARCASM ALERT****************

For people who still take it seriously, here's an update:


Oh - I didnt expect people to take my post seriously!

But this clearly shows how such rumours spread. Naan oru 'idhukku' apdi oru post pOttaen. Oru 5 varusham kazhichu, idhu oru FACT-Aga internet-la quote aagum paarunga, IR blind school teacher kitterundhu paNam pudunginaarunnu :lol:

Let me edit and put a sarcasm alert in my post

[vem]

Plum,

If your statement is true, then it is most unfortunate and a grave insult to Ramana Maharishi and all the volumes that IR has been composing (Thiruvasagam etc), since the first quality that these Gurus and volumes teach us is kindness.

IR - he had no reason to take a swipe at ARR recently when he ridiculed his attribution of everything to GOD.
Now, he somehow created a controversy on Malayalam writer and also some Super/Supreme star crap.

I think he is a lone and barking nut, and perhaps all his yesteryear friends shun from him to escape from his bite.

His bark could be worser than his bite :) but your statement means that his bite is as powerful as his bark.

If only this guy had been a little courteous and less abrupt, we could have unearthed more gems from him !

[MumbaiRamki]

'I met a old man, whose brother-in-law's friend has a cousin who is married to the sister of a Blind school teacher'

Kamesh rathnam aavathu parava illa - ithu konjam over a iruku :)

[irir123]

Plum,

If your statement is true, then it is most unfortunate and a grave insult to Ramana Maharishi and all the volumes that IR has been composing (Thiruvasagam etc), since the first quality that these Gurus and volumes teach us is kindness.

IR - he had no reason to take a swipe at ARR recently when he ridiculed his attribution of everything to GOD.
Now, he somehow created a controversy on Malayalam writer and also some Super/Supreme star crap.

I think he is a lone and barking nut, and perhaps all his yesteryear friends shun from him to escape from his bite.

His bark could be worser than his bite :) but your statement means that his bite is as powerful as his bark.

If only this guy had been a little courteous and less abrupt, we could have unearthed more gems from him !

vem - i think plum was/is being sarcastic in reply to kameshrathnam's posting - plum correct me if am wrong

all these things are unsubstantiated - if IR says story/script is the real hero, thats his perspective - if i were a composer i wud think along those lines as well - when are we going to get professional and shun away from these so-called super/supreme star images and get our cinema out of the rut that it is in ??

of the total no of movies made every year, how many of them are watchable from a story line point of view ?? perhaps IR was referring to that kind of a trend, where every kid wants to be a star without even thinking of how much effort/work perseverence is required to reach that status - its like kids in india wanting to become like sachin tendulkar, without even having a clue of how much effort sachin has put in all his career (spending 4-6 hrs on end, practising in the nets)

its this lack of discipline and work ethics that is characterising our so-called wannabe 'stars' in the making - I take IR's comments as indirectly referring to this trend

[jaiganes]

Plum,

If your statement is true, then it is most unfortunate and a grave insult to Ramana Maharishi and all the volumes that IR has been composing (Thiruvasagam etc), since the first quality that these Gurus and volumes teach us is kindness.

IR - he had no reason to take a swipe at ARR recently when he ridiculed his attribution of everything to GOD.
Now, he somehow created a controversy on Malayalam writer and also some Super/Supreme star crap.

I think he is a lone and barking nut, and perhaps all his yesteryear friends shun from him to escape from his bite.



His bark could be worser than his bite :) but your statement means that his bite is as powerful as his bark.

If only this guy had been a little courteous and less abrupt, we could have unearthed more gems from him !


Guruji!! Inga irukkira gems counte catalogla innum varala...

Washing a complicated character like IR's laundry is of going to be zero use. We have to learn to look past the character of Raja and focus more on the gifts he has provided by using his talents. Ippadi panni irundhaa - appadi panni irundhaa kinda talks - Root cause analysis etc., are not applicable to even normal lesser talented mortals like us - Applying it to a genius can only demonstrate how STUPID and IDIOTIC we can get at times

Gandhi, periyaar, Rajaji ivanga maadhiri aatkal vaazhkayila kooda evvalavo asattu thanangal nirainju irukku. They are great because they do not cover these things with a blanket of political correctness and dishonesty. Atleast lets be happy that 'senility', , 'stupidity', arrogance, harsh words - whatever IR has - has never been a 'SECRET' - No intended dishonesty here. Idhukku Poai alattikkalaama?

[K]

[tscii:c7dce006fd]Another controversy here

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=Call+to+promote+Study+of+science&artid=|7Nbpdgz8Ss=&SectionID=lMx/b5mt1kU=&MainSectionID=lMx/b5mt1kU=&SEO=&SectionName=tm2kh5uDhixGlQvAG42A/07OVZOOEmts

Baby defends ONV

Education Minister M A Baby on Friday defended poet O N V Kurup against music maestro Ilayaraja’s criticism that ONV’s lyrics ‘Adiyushassandhya..’ in ‘Pazhassi Raja’ did not capture the desired mood.

“Vayalar, P Bhaskaran and ONV are poets who took Malayalam film songs to a higher level of creativity. Has Ilayaraja forgotten all that?’’ the Minister said.

Ilayaraja had criticised the lyrics during the audio release function for the film’s Tamil version the other day.[/tscii:c7dce006fd]


http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/news/2009/11/kerala-minister-s-unwanted-comments.html

Same News

[Fliflo]

http://www.nowrunning.com/news/malayalam/there-would-have-been-no-controversy-if-the-songs-of-pazhassi-raja-were-hits-ouseppachan/27669/story.htm

[Fliflo]

Summa aalaalukku ennennavo solraango. Oruvelai, ivarukku chance kidaikkalennu pesaraaro??

http://www.nowrunning.com/news/malayalam/there-would-have-been-no-controversy-if-the-songs-of-pazhassi-raja-were-hits-ouseppachan/27669/story.htm

[K]

Summa aalaalukku ennennavo solraango. Oruvelai, ivarukku chance kidaikkalennu pesaraaro??

http://www.nowrunning.com/news/malayalam/there-would-have-been-no-controversy-if-the-songs-of-pazhassi-raja-were-hits-ouseppachan/27669/story.htm

http://www.nowrunning.com/news/malayalam/ilaiyaraja-dissatisfied-with-onvs-lyrics-for-pazhassi-raja/27608/story.htm

ithukku enna soluvanga? Thumbi vaa paatta pathi

[tamizhisai]

Many a times IR has himself publically said MSV was an great inspiration for him. So he must have said the same during the interview, but the interview was totally on Thiruvasagam and IR so IR might have felt that may be, i reiterate may be, MSV may not be brought into the scene....i think its his own prerogative....

How many times MSV has told he was so inspired by his Seniors, he has respect for his seniors, i do agree. But how many times?

IR has respect for all his seniors, he has told this many on times on stage itself, that doesn't mean he should attribute all his success to his seniors and nothing to him.

He might have thought that Thiruvasagam work was his own creative process and hence he might have wanted to avoid others getting into it.

just my thoughts....

Tamizhisai

[Sureshs65]

Plum,

Aaaaaaah. 'kelambitangaya kelambitanga'. That is how you must be feeling now that your sarcasm will become the matter for controversy. :lol:

Everyone wants to take anything written bad about Raja literally and jump into the advice giving bandwagon and accusing him of not being a good person and all other MDs as being angels.

Even in the current ONV based controversy that has erupted, as usual no one in the press writes the whole thing and highlight only what they want. According to the link that Flifo has posted, Raja has wondered how come ONV was not able to compose for the tune he set though he has composed so many times for tunes, the best being 'thumbi vaa'. This is very different from saying, 'Raja says ONV cannot compose for a tune!!!'. I guess similar thing happened during the Myskkin controversy earlier.

As Jai says, we atleast have one artist who speaks his mind unlike everyone else who is quite bland and politically correct.

[Sureshs65]

The Trombone player, Blasco Monsorate, talks about Illayaraja, his working style and how it is working under him. Violin Vicky has a nice post about the usage of Trombone in Raja's films earlier. He has pointed out this interview of Blasco in his blog

http://raagadevan.blogspot.com/

Vicky's site has the Raja relevant portion of the interview. To read the whole interview, which also talks about R D Burman, check out

http://www.swaraalap.com/epaper/oct_09/index.htm

[Plum]

Oh - I didnt expect people to take my post seriously!

But this clearly shows how such rumours spread. Naan oru 'idhukku' apdi oru post pOttaen. Oru 5 varusham kazhichu, idhu oru FACT-Aga internet-la quote aagum paarunga, IR blind school teacher kitterundhu paNam pudunginaarunnu :lol:

Let me edit and put a sarcasm alert in my post

[nanchil_guy]

The Trombone player, Blasco Monsorate, talks about Illayaraja, his working style and how it is working under him. Violin Vicky has a nice post about the usage of Trombone in Raja's films earlier. He has pointed out this interview of Blasco in his blog

http://raagadevan.blogspot.com/

Vicky's site has the Raja relevant portion of the interview. To read the whole interview, which also talks about R D Burman, check out

http://www.swaraalap.com/epaper/oct_09/index.htm


Thanks a lot Suresh for the links. As mentioned by Vicky no indian film music lover should miss this! For the first time i have got to read about Maestro's composing style in detail narated by someone who worked with him in close quarters, unbeliveable!. worth million every word! this proved a lot of so called theories we the IR fans were having for a long time. And thats why IR always wants to be called as 'composer' than a mere 'music director'.

[Sanjeevi]

Oh - I didnt expect people to take my post seriously!

But this clearly shows how such rumours spread. Naan oru 'idhukku' apdi oru post pOttaen. Oru 5 varusham kazhichu, idhu oru FACT-Aga internet-la quote aagum paarunga, IR blind school teacher kitterundhu paNam pudunginaarunnu :lol:

Let me edit and put a sarcasm alert in my post

Adappavi :lol:

[equanimus]

Washing a complicated character like IR's laundry is of going to be zero use. We have to learn to look past the character of Raja and focus more on the gifts he has provided by using his talents.
I wholeheartedly agree with this.

ivanga maadhiri aatkal vaazhkayila kooda evvalavo asattu thanangal nirainju irukku. They are great because they do not cover these things with a blanket of political correctness and dishonesty. Atleast lets be happy that 'senility', , 'stupidity', arrogance, harsh words - whatever IR has - has never been a 'SECRET' - No intended dishonesty here.
But in response to these sorts of criticisms, antagonising those who don't end up in such controversies is quite ironic. I mean, it's a stretch to turn the tables and say that Raaja is speaking his mind when he's making such unpleasant statements (provided that one finds them so) and others are NOT speaking their mind because they aren't!

[jaiganes]

Washing a complicated character like IR's laundry is of going to be zero use. We have to learn to look past the character of Raja and focus more on the gifts he has provided by using his talents.
I wholeheartedly agree with this.

ivanga maadhiri aatkal vaazhkayila kooda evvalavo asattu thanangal nirainju irukku. They are great because they do not cover these things with a blanket of political correctness and dishonesty. Atleast lets be happy that 'senility', , 'stupidity', arrogance, harsh words - whatever IR has - has never been a 'SECRET' - No intended dishonesty here.
But in response to these sorts of criticisms, antagonising those who don't end up in such controversies is quite ironic. I mean, it's a stretch to turn the tables and say that Raaja is speaking his mind when he's making such unpleasant statements (provided that one finds them so) and others are NOT speaking their mind because they aren't!

I am not implying that others have a lot to say but aren't. Some people do what comes to them, while others are more guarded - it is just a personality thing. Openaa pesaravanellaam yogiyanum illai, vaaya moodittu irukkavanellaam ayogyanumillai. However, If being open and 'kirukku' helps IR in being who he is, we should simply accept that. My point is none of us discussing this here are even 1/millionth as talented and as focussed as him, so like what vicky says, we always take the easy route of throwing stones at IR's kirukkuthanams while there is a harder route of climbing on the everest of output he has kept there for us to focus on and that very few of us have the guts and willingness to do.
Even in his kirukkuthanams, IR is atleast not hiding it in a cloak of diplomacy and is equally giving every opportunity for every one to set records straight by being public about it. Atleast that level of honesty is in his kirukkuthanams and that is not something laudable, but atleast 'understandable' to even a kisu kisu priyan.

[writeface]

Jai,

"Openaa pesaravanellaam yogiyanum illai, vaaya moodittu irukkavanellaam ayogyanumillai"

:-)))

Gokul.

[equanimus]

Fair enough, Jaiganes. Frankly I'd not even label such things simply as acts of arrogance or "kirukkuththanam." He's just giving his opinions and people are finding it hard to digest it.

[Vysar]

Raja always speaks his mind that shows he is a real sour grapper. ARR over took and kept his promise opening a music college. This guy IR tals about opening music university and ne ver delivers

[jaiganes]

Raja always speaks his mind that shows he is a real sour grapper. ARR over took and kept his promise opening a music college. This guy IR tals about opening music university and ne ver delivers

Adhaana paathen - enge indha maari samayathula ulla poondhu velayaadrathukkunne wait pannitiruppare, kaanamennu - good . Ippo parandhu poittu apparamaa vaanga boss.

[irir123]

Raja always speaks his mind that shows he is a real sour grapper. ARR over took and kept his promise opening a music college. This guy IR tals about opening music university and ne ver delivers

when IR himself is like an university-faculty combined, there is no need for him open a music university - just listening to his scores shd be a lesson for other composers!

[njv]

Raja always speaks his mind that shows he is a real sour grapper. ARR over took and kept his promise opening a music college. This guy IR tals about opening music university and ne ver delivers

IR was in the process of building the college, but lost significant money in the land dispute. I dont recall which one (JJ or MK) screwed him, but one of them definitely did.

ARR is smart, probably well guided as well. He has his life planned out. Oscar is part of the plan that he executed well. IR is not. This is common in all careers. People who have plan, execute well and ARR is an example.

[MADDY]

Raja always speaks his mind that shows he is a real sour grapper. ARR over took and kept his promise opening a music college. This guy IR tals about opening music university and ne ver delivers

unneccessary.......it doesent matter what ARR does or doesent when talking abt IR......


when IR himself is like an university-faculty combined, there is no need for him open a music university - just listening to his scores shd be a lesson for other composers!

quite true...


ARR is smart, probably well guided as well. He has his life planned out. Oscar is part of the plan that he executed well. IR is not. This is common in all careers. People who have plan, execute well and ARR is an example.

untrue......oscars just happened on its own......thalaivar was abt to do "Whats your rashee" :lol2: instead of SDM but changed his mind at the last moment.........SDM didnt even have chance of getting released leave alone oscars......SDM's destiny was probably written.......but yes, ARR is very smart and savvy, guided by his mother and his own traumatic childhood experiences.........he is under tremendous "financial" pressure for running the music school but he should overcome that too :D

[app_engine]

ஆதி உஷஸ் = வாயசைப்பு இல்லாத பாட்டு தானே? குருப்பு எழுதியதில் உணர்ச்சி 100% வரவில்லை என்றால் ஏன் தமிழில் அப்படியே (கிட்டத்தட்ட) மொழி பெயர்ப்பு செய்திருக்கிறார்கள்?

ராசா சொல்லும் குழப்பத்தின் உடைமை ஹரிஹரனேயொழிய குருப்பு இல்லை :-)

[Bala (Karthik)]

ARR is smart, probably well guided as well. He has his life planned out. Oscar is part of the plan that he executed well. IR is not. This is common in all careers. People who have plan, execute well and ARR is an example.
:shock:
If only life and Oscars were that simple!

[raagas]

Often the discussions turn to ARR. I dont know why.And if the idea is only to draw parallels (not just music, but even other aspects such as marketing albums or film selection), then why dont people quote Vidyasagar,Harris Jeyraj,Mohana Sithara etc etc.Strange that people always tend to compare IR and ARR and it turns into a debate.Why not other composers as well?And most of the times, the comparison itself is unnecessary!

My 2 cents!

[jaiganes]

Raja always speaks his mind that shows he is a real sour grapper. ARR over took and kept his promise opening a music college. This guy IR tals about opening music university and ne ver delivers

unneccessary.......it doesent matter what ARR does or doesent when talking abt IR......


when IR himself is like an university-faculty combined, there is no need for him open a music university - just listening to his scores shd be a lesson for other composers!

quite true...


ARR is smart, probably well guided as well. He has his life planned out. Oscar is part of the plan that he executed well. IR is not. This is common in all careers. People who have plan, execute well and ARR is an example.

untrue......oscars just happened on its own......thalaivar was abt to do "Whats your rashee" :lol2: instead of SDM but changed his mind at the last moment.........SDM didnt even have chance of getting released leave alone oscars......SDM's destiny was probably written.......but yes, ARR is very smart and savvy, guided by his mother and his own traumatic childhood experiences.........he is under tremendous "financial" pressure for running the music school but he should overcome that too :D
True - SDM got into the oscars race simply because Fox searchlight bought it - so even while the film was being scored there was no way that Rahman would have known about Fox searchlight's interest in that movie. Unless one believes in things like Oracle and stove josiyam in Rahman's household. :-)

[jaiganes]

ஆதி உஷஸ் = வாயசைப்பு இல்லாத பாட்டு தானே? குருப்பு எழுதியதில் உணர்ச்சி 100% வரவில்லை என்றால் ஏன் தமிழில் அப்படியே (கிட்டத்தட்ட) மொழி பெயர்ப்பு செய்திருக்கிறார்கள்?

ராசா சொல்லும் குழப்பத்தின் உடைமை ஹரிஹரனேயொழிய குருப்பு இல்லை :-)

I too felt the same.
The reason Raja might have been prompted to discuss this would have been some back talk in the industry circles that Raja took too long to compose Aadhi ushas (If at all such talk existed - which he cryptically alludes to in the speech). My mind only recalls an old MSV interview in Doordarshan where he says how kavignar composed lyrics for a song on 'trunk call'. Raaja comes from this heritage where ppl write sandha lyrics instantaneously.

[njv]

Raja always speaks his mind that shows he is a real sour grapper. ARR over took and kept his promise opening a music college. This guy IR tals about opening music university and ne ver delivers

unneccessary.......it doesent matter what ARR does or doesent when talking abt IR......


when IR himself is like an university-faculty combined, there is no need for him open a music university - just listening to his scores shd be a lesson for other composers!

quite true...


ARR is smart, probably well guided as well. He has his life planned out. Oscar is part of the plan that he executed well. IR is not. This is common in all careers. People who have plan, execute well and ARR is an example.

untrue......oscars just happened on its own......thalaivar was abt to do "Whats your rashee" :lol2: instead of SDM but changed his mind at the last moment.........SDM didnt even have chance of getting released leave alone oscars......SDM's destiny was probably written.......but yes, ARR is very smart and savvy, guided by his mother and his own traumatic childhood experiences.........he is under tremendous "financial" pressure for running the music school but he should overcome that too :D
True - SDM got into the oscars race simply because Fox searchlight bought it - so even while the film was being scored there was no way that Rahman would have known about Fox searchlight's interest in that movie. Unless one believes in things like Oracle and stove josiyam in Rahman's household. :-)

Most likely, but the plan and desire was there and even doing SDM is part of the plan. It just happened that his first step into that goal itself was a success, but the decision to take that step is part of the bigger plan.

[Plum]

apdi plan paNni irundhA nothing wrong with that.

[anegan]

Vidai Kodu Engal Naade... was a very apt song for the situation. Brilliant singing by MSV.

தலையில் கொஞ்சம் நெஞ்சில் அதிகம் சுமந்து போகின்றோம்... kudos Viramuthu.

[Sanjeevi]

ஆதி உஷஸ் = வாயசைப்பு இல்லாத பாட்டு தானே? குருப்பு எழுதியதில் உணர்ச்சி 100% வரவில்லை என்றால் ஏன் தமிழில் அப்படியே (கிட்டத்தட்ட) மொழி பெயர்ப்பு செய்திருக்கிறார்கள்?

ராசா சொல்லும் குழப்பத்தின் உடைமை ஹரிஹரனேயொழிய குருப்பு இல்லை :-)

As per raaga, the lyricist of tamil PR songs also குருப்பு (ennaya pEru idhu). So who did the translation (குருப்பு? or JM?)

[NagaS]

the lyricist of tamil PR songs also குருப்பு (ennaya pEru idhu). So who did the translation (குருப்பு? or JM?)

Vaalee wrote (or translated) all the songs of Pazhasiraja Tamil - He has done a decent job, eventho' I don't see much room for creativity here!

NagaS

[Shankar]

ஆதி உஷஸ் = வாயசைப்பு இல்லாத பாட்டு தானே? குருப்பு எழுதியதில் உணர்ச்சி 100% வரவில்லை என்றால் ஏன் தமிழில் அப்படியே (கிட்டத்தட்ட) மொழி பெயர்ப்பு செய்திருக்கிறார்கள்?

ராசா சொல்லும் குழப்பத்தின் உடைமை ஹரிஹரனேயொழிய குருப்பு இல்லை :-)


As per raaga, the lyricist of tamil PR songs also குருப்பு (ennaya pEru idhu). So who did the translation (குருப்பு? or JM?)

Dig::
It's a surname...what sounds good in one language may sound foolish in another...better accept it as yet another name, and move on. enga office la kooda, Jayesh Jatti nu oruththan irukkAn, idhayellAm kostin paNNa mudiyumA?? :)

end Dig

IMO, there was no reason for Raja to mention it....Guys who were working for him (ouseph, a brilliant composer himself, was a violinist with Raja) are now talking about Raja. Given that a politician has started giving opinions on this, Raja might lose out his chances in Mallu land. He may not even get considered for N.Awards, given that it's driven by politicians :(

[Bala (Karthik)]

I don't want to dwell on these issues/controversies - as Jaiganes rightly said who are we to judge him (or any such genius for that matter), its like a microbe vs dinosaur . Ivaroda music namakku kekkara vaippu irukkaradhe oru vaazhkai thavam madhiri. However, i wish some fans here apply the same wide net of the "benefit of doubt", "just expressing an opinion", "he mentioned that because of the context", "a peer expressing an opposite view point", "media is twisting stuff" etc to other celebrities as well. Enakkennamo, inga oru standard, matra edathula oru standards madhiri appattama theriyidhu, and repeatedly at that.

[Plum]

Bala aNNan yaari solreeya ? ;-)

More than the Natl Awards, it is the sureshot Kerala state award that IR will lose now.

If the NA committee is headed by a mallu jolna pai, maybe the NA is sureshot gone. Even there, there is internal politics in Kerala film world, adhan padi, if someone against Kurup gets to head the committee, adhukkAgavE IR-ku NA kedaikkalAM :-)
OTOH, if some Prakash Jha or Sudhir Mishra head it, anyway the award will go to the Wake up Sids or SRK mokkais. The only relief is if a Bachan camper gets in, Paa-kku chances irukku

Raja luck padi, the committee will be headed by some group with its own agenda for best music. I dont expect a NA for PR, even though it well and truly deserves. No disappointments if it doesnt - I am prepared for that

I'd be happy if KSC gets it for kunnathe. I'd be very disappointed.

[crvenky]

Raja's house in ECR:

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2009/November/241109c.asp

[equanimus]

However, i wish some fans here apply the same wide net of the "benefit of doubt", "just expressing an opinion", "he mentioned that because of the context", "a peer expressing an opposite view point", "media is twisting stuff" etc to other celebrities as well.I'm not sure who you are referring to as "other celebrities" here, so can't comment on the double standards. But as I said earlier, I think sanitising these issues by arguing that Raaja is in fact being "better" than others (inadvertently characterising normal human traits like humility or politeness as essentially dishonest) is ironic.

as Jaiganes rightly said who are we to judge him (or any such genius for that matter), its like a microbe vs dinosaur .
idhula enna microbe/dinosaur? (In fact, a microbe is likely to receive a much greater amount of spontaneous criticism.)

[rajkumarc]

In case you haven't read this before, here is our Maestro's recent interview to Hungarian Press:

http://lemarietta.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/cant-cross-the-road-the-same-way-two-times/

[Plum]

I'm not sure who you are referring to as "other celebrities" here
avar vEra yaarainga solla pOraaru? ;-)

[K]

http://jeyamohan.in/?p=5164

Ennenamo Solranga

[app_engine]

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14921109&cid=13525926

This says PR songs are thumbs down. I think one more song got trimmed off in Thamizh version, means only kunnaththE and Adhi ushus , how can these two be thumbs down for a 3 hour movie? (That these two are brilliant songs is besides the point)

Planned campaign against IR!

[Fliflo]

app_engine

Intha newspaper-ellam naan padikkarathe illa. Avanga - kudutha enna kudukkalina enna? :smokesmile:

[anegan]

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14921109&cid=13525926

This says PR songs are thumbs down. I think one more song got trimmed off in Thamizh version, means only kunnaththE and Adhi ushus , how can these two be thumbs down for a 3 hour movie? (That these two are brilliant songs is besides the point)

Planned campaign against IR!

May be they get paid for this.

[Sureshs65]

app_end and anegan,

You may probably be right given the way they headlined Raja's speech as 'Raja insults ONV'!!!

[MADDY]

Planned campaign against IR!

and who could be doing it?

[eagle]

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[app_engine]

Planned campaign against IR!

and who could be doing it?

There are any number of press people who got rubbed the wrong way by Rasa :-) There may be a sangham for them even :-)

[MADDY]

Planned campaign against IR!

and who could be doing it?

There are any number of press people who got rubbed the wrong way by Rasa :-) There may be a sangham for them even :-)

oh, could be..... :D

[vel]

can someone throw more light on this? a song from sri ragavendra was the inspiration !

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The Elephunk Theme
"The Elephunk Theme" is a song written and produced by hip-hop band The Black Eyed Peas. The song is featured as a bonus track on the German version of their 2003 album Elephunk. The song sampled the music of Ilaiyaraaja from the soundtrack to a 1985 Tamil film called Sri Raghavendra (song title: Unakkum Enakkum) and remixed it. The Tamil lyrics on the original track is sung by legendary south Indian singer S. Janaki. The Elephunk Theme also has Latin vocals sung by the band's only female member, Fergie.

"The original song" is rendered by S. Janaki and 'Malaysia' Vasudevan, though the remixed version of Black Eyed Peas, uses only the parts sung by Janaki.

[rajasaranam]

Vel,

Elephunk Theme (http://www.imeem.com/xxmidoxx/music/dqRdRTHc/black-eyed-peas-black-eyed-peas-the-elephunk-theme/) was part of the Album Elephunk (http://www.amazon.com/Elephunk-Black-Eyed-Peas/dp/B00009V7RF#moreAboutThisProduct) composed by the band 'Black Eyed Peas' (http://www.blackeyedpeas.com/) Relesed few years back. But the Song got Deleted in the later editions pertaining to some Copyright Issues. what those issues were is unknown, but the First Edition Album cover had Credited Dr.Ilaiyaraaja as the original composer of the song.

The song is one of the Best remixes of a Raaja song to this day IMO.

[vel]

thanks RS for the clarification...very interesting and am eager to listen to the remix version...

[rooky]

Never knew the history of this song version.
But, heard this version of the song plenty of time in number of dance-shows in our tamil channels.

[Bala (Karthik)]

The song is one of the Best remixes of a Raaja song to this day IMO.
:exactly: Excellent counter in pubs to snobbish fellow Tamilians and North Indies

[Sanjeevi]

Chaaarrrruuu ThArumAru

http://mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=12410&start=1110

:rotfl: :rotfl2: :rotfl3:

[Cinefan]

[tscii:3096207858]http://sify.com/movies/bollywood/review.php?id=14922221&ctid=5&cid=2425

The one crew member from Paa I hurried to look up on the internet, apart from the make-up artists, was the dialogue writer. Turns out, it’s director R Balki (of Cheeni Kum fame) who’s written the film’s crisp conversations.
Talking about the internet, there is a charming dialogue in the movie when 11-year-old Auro (Amitabh Bachchan) looks up an errant politician on the computer saying ‘Google se bach ke kahan jaoge’ (you can’t run away from Google).

It’s difficult then, not to fall for Auro, the possessor of a dry humour that consistently produces gems like the one above. We flashback to his mother, medical student Vidya’s story (Vidya Balan), who, after an affair with a political science student, Amol (Abhishek), gets pregnant and is disappointed when she is asked to get an abortion.

She speaks to her mother (Arundhati Naag, superb) who had brought up Vidya all alone after her husband’s demise. When plainly asked whether she wants to keep the baby or not, Vidya decides to go ahead with the pregnancy. Already wondering how she’ll bring up a child all alone, she’s shattered to know her newborn is suffering from progeria, a rare disease causing premature ageing in children.

At that moment, when you see Vidya Balan’s expressions on learning that her child is likely to have a life-span of only 13 years, you feel every bit of her anguish. All grown-up now and studying in a school, how an adolescent Auro rediscovers his Paa after 11 years forms the rest of the story.

The finest quality of the film is its refusal to coax pity out of the viewer - either for Auro or for single mother Vidya. A successful gynaecologist, Vidya is shown to provide Auro with all the comforts - from a nice car to a computer and even a play station. Together with Vidya’s mother, they form a cosy unit always good-naturedly ribbing one another. The inclusion of the Paa happens only after the interval, reminding you of Taare Zameen Par where Aamir enters the story around the middle.

Special: All about Paa | Images: Check out 13-year-old Amitabh Bachchan | Images: Abhishek Bachchan and Vidya Balan unveil Paa

You adore Amitabh Bachchan’s performance while applauding his commitment to his craft. Reportedly, it took a 60-plus Bachchan five hours to wear the prosthetic make-up for six hours of shooting, with another two hours to take it off. So truthful is this performance, you begin recognising Auro as an existing character with flesh and blood and forget you’re watching Amitabh Bachchan.

Abhishek Bachchan is also excellent as the do-gooder politician, who never agrees with his father’s (Paresh Rawal) seasoned opportunism. The story is as much Vidya’s as Auro’s and Vidya Balan is fabulous as the proud, independent single mother. Kids playing Auro’s friends, especially Pratik as his best bud, are fabulous.

In the technical department, the first mention must go to make-up artists Christien Tinsley and Dominie Till for painstakingly and expertly converting Amitabh Bachchan into Auro. Cinematography by P C Sreeram, editing by Anil Naidu and art by Sunil Babu are top-notch.

Styling, too, deserves special mention. Vidya Balan’s lovely saris are matched by a thick-strapped ‘working-woman’s’ wrist watch and subtle earrings. However, it's a little odd that the foreign-educated doctor doesn’t have any contemporary western clothes in her wardrobe. Abhishek’s clothes are delightful as is Auro’s oversized hooded shirt that he picks up for a special occasion.

Music by Illayaraja and lyrics by Swanand Kirkire make for hauntingly beautiful songs. Just for the Ittefaq song and its wonderful picturisation, this writer intends to watch the film again.

Some might fear Paa would be a depressing, melodramatic film or a shadow of 2005’s heavily emotional Black. It’s not, and neither does it have any link to The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.

For a couple of moments, the film does turn your eyes moist, but there are dozens where you’ll enjoy Auro’s antics. Of course, you wonder about the film’s anti-abortion stand and it’s propensity to encourage child-bearing - in a rather awkward scene, Dr Vidya tells a couple, who confess they’re too busy to have a child, that they ought to have one as life changes for the better after a baby.

The melodramatic finale, too, seems unnecessary and it appears that the director, who had so boldly shown a mother raising her child without getting married, cops out towards the end.

These are minor complaints still, in a film that holds you from the first scene to the last. R Balki outdoes himself with a film that’s intelligent, entertaining and visually arresting.

It’s indeed a pleasure presenting four stars to a film after years. You don’t want to miss this one.

Rating: Four stars
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[Cinefan]

http://www.hindu.com/cp/2009/12/04/stories/2009120450050200.htm

A subtle performance by this year's National Award winner Prakash Raj and good music by Ilaiyaraaja should have worked wonders for Madhiya Chennai, directed by Vivekanandh-Veerasingam. But what stands in the way of making the film an entertainer is the not-so-arresting screenplay.

Saravanan, an associate of a popular film director, wants to make it big in the industry, and is waiting to meet a good producer. Meanwhile, a scheming Badrinath (Mahadevan) acquires the property on which stands the humble houses of Saravanan and his friends, without paying them a penny. When they approach Badri, he demands Rs. 10 crore in six months' time if they want their land back. Saravanan accepts the challenge. How he manages to raise funds forms the rest of the plot.

Jayavanth, the hero, has a long way to go as far as acting and dialogue delivery are concerned. Ramya Farna, the heroine, is beautiful but has nothing much to do in the film. Prakash Raj, as the film director with no shades of grey, gives a restrained performance. Mahadevan scores as the villain, while Charlie as Chokan has proved that he's capable of more than just comedy. Ganja Karuppu as Madurai succeeds in evoking a few laughs. Shanmugarajan as Mahadevan's deputy is adequate.

The music enhances the film, especially the background score. The songs ring in your ears even after you leave the hall. The dialogues are powerful. Karthik Raja's camera work is commendable. You can't help but wonder why editor D.S.R. Subash has not scissored some of the unwanted scenes.

[Vivasaayi]

Chaaarrrruuu ThArumAru

http://mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=12410&start=1110

:rotfl: :rotfl2: :rotfl3:

????

[Vivasaayi]

Chaaarrrruuu ThArumAru

http://mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=12410&start=1110

:rotfl: :rotfl2: :rotfl3:

check the link sanjeevi

[app_engine]

Excellent article :
http://cablesankar.blogspot.com/2009/12/15.html

[Sanjeevi]

Chaaarrrruuu ThArumAru

http://mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=12410&start=1110

:rotfl: :rotfl2: :rotfl3:

check the link sanjeevi

Aaha ippothan kavinikkuren :lol:

will try to post the original URL I wanted to post

[raagas]

Om shanthi released: http://www.greatandhra.com/gallery/view_album.php?gid=2161

[mohanraja]

rajasaranam..

read my comments abt our own charu..

www.chandanaar.blogspot.com

[K]

http://tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2009/December/051209.asp


Paa in Tamil

[K]

http://radiospathy.blogspot.com/2009/12/paa.html

ithu than PAA

[eagle]

For a change from charu

நந்தலாலா எனக்குத் தந்த மற்றொரு ஆச்சரியம், இளையராஜா. அவரது பின்னணி இசை இந்தப் படத்தின் தொனிக்கு ஏற்றாற்போலவே சர்வதேசத் தரத்தில் அமைந்திருந்தது. இளையராஜாவின் இசை வாழ்வில் இதுவே அவரது உச்சபட்ச சாதனையாக இருக்கும் என்பது என்னுடைய அனுமானம். நந்தலாலாவின் இசை பற்றியும் எழுதுவதற்கு நிறைய உள்ளது. படம் வெளிவந்த பிறகே அதைப் பற்றியும் எழுத முடியும்.

[teja]

Check this out...
http://www.idlebrain.com/download/omshanti/8omshanti1280.html

[jaiganes]

http://www.myspace.com/theroyalphilharmonicorchestra

This facebook page says that only asian to compose symphony for them is Raaja . Gazettelayum vandhaachu kaekka mattum mudiyaadhaa?

[Sanjeevi]

Athu oru tid-bit mathiri agipochA RPOvukku :lol: :sad:

Raaja manasu vaiyunga Symphony ketka en kannulla en samthulla. Neenga mattum than ithukku thadainu kElvi

[irir123]

the myspace profile says "Information taken from "Royal Philharmonic Orchestra" article on Wikipedia"
I wonder if its just a fan site without authentic information

[kingvj]

RPO's Wikipedia site has no mention of IR... hmmm..!

[Sanjeevi]

sari vidungappA, album veli vara IR veetu munnadi oru dharna pOrattam nadathuvOm

[raagas]

What are the upcoming albums by IR in 2010?

[Hulkster]

25 Titbits about Ilaiyaraaja (http://www.orkut.com/Main#CommMsgs?cmm=34613&tid=5413317943280649305)

Courtesy of Orkut IR Comm - HeartA




- நா.கதிர்வேலன்

தாய்ப்பாலைப் போல சுரக்கும் ராஜாவின் இசையே தமிழனின் கண்ணீரும், புன்னகையும். இயற்கையின் மெளனத்தையும் இறைவனின் தரிசனத்தையும் இசையாக்கிய ராகதேவன். நூற்றாண்டின் கலைஞன் இளையராஜாவின் பர்சனல் பக்கங்கள் இதோ...

* இளையராஜாவின் பிறந்தநாளும், கலைஞர் பிறந்த நாளும் ஜூன் 3. இப்போது இசைக்கு வயது 67. வீட்டில்தான் அவரது பிறந்த நாளைக் கொண்டாடுவார்கள். அவருக்கோ அன்றும் மற்றுமொரு நாளே !

* திருவண்ணாமலைக்கான பயணங்களின் ரசிகர்... வழியே வயலோரச் சிறுவர்களைப் படம் எடுப்பார். அவர்களின் முகவரி கேட்டு, அவர்களுக்கே படங்களை அனுப்பி ஆனந்த அதிர்ச்சியும் தருவார்.

* மூகாம்பிகை கோயிலுக்குப் போய் வந்த பிறகு, அசைவ உணவையும் ஆபரணங்கள் அணிவதையும் நிறுத்திவிட்டார். கழுத்தில் 2 ருத்ராட்ச மாலைகள் உரிமையாகப் புரண்டு கிடக்கும்.

* ராஜாவின் எளிய உணவு காலையில் 2 இட்லி, மாதுளம்பழம் ஜூஸ், மதியம் கொஞ்சம் சாதம், பழம், இரவு 2 சப்பாத்தி. காரம், உப்பு கிடையவே கிடையாது. சைவ ராஜா !

* குளிர் உறையும் வெளிநாடுகளுக்குப் போனாலும் அதே தும்பைப்பூ வேட்டி, ஜிப்பாதான். துபாயின் பிரபல ஹோட்டலில் வேட்டி அணிந்து உள்ளே நுழையத் தடை இருந்தது. அந்தத் தடையைத் தகர்த்துத் தங்கிய ஒரே மனிதர் இவரே !

* இளையராஜா எப்போது எங்கே புறப்பட்டுப் போனாலும் காரின் பின் சீட்டில், ஆர்மேனியப் பெட்டியும் கேமராவும் தவறாமல் இடம் பிடிக்கும்!

* இளையராஜா ஒவ்வொரு ஞாயிற்றுக்கிழமை மதியமும் கார்த்திக் ராஜா, யுவன், பவதாரிணி எல்லோரையும் வீட்டுக்கு வரவழைத்துச் சேர்ந்து சாப்பிட்டு மகிழ்வார். வேடிக்கை விளையாட்டும், குழந்தைகளின் குதூகலமும், ராஜாவின் சிரிப்பும் வாசலைத் தாண்டி வெளியே கேட்கும் !

* நவராத்திரிகள்தான் ராஜா வீட்டு ஸ்பெ ஷல். மிகச் சிறந்த சங்கீத, இசைக் கலைஞர்களைத் தன் வீட்டுக்கு வரவழைத்து, கச்சேரிகள் நடத்தி ரசிப்பார். நவராத்திரியில் இளையராஜாவின் வீடு இசையால் நிரம்பி வழியும்!

* மாதம் ஒரு தடவை பெளர்ணமிக்கு திருவண்னாமலை செல்வார். கிரிவலம் செல்லும் போது யாரும் அதிகம் பயன்படுத்தாத உள்பாதையத் தேர்ந்தெடுப்பார். மெளனமே துணை!

* இளையராஜா எப்போதும் வெள்ளைச் செருப்புகள்தான் அணிவார். அவ்வளவு நேர்த்தியான செருப்புகள் கடைகளில் கிடைக்காது. அது அவருக்காகப் பிரத்யேகமாகத் தயாரிக்கப்படுபவை!

* தன் சகோதரியின் மகள் ஜீவாவைத்தான் மணந்திருக்கிறார். எவ்வளவு கூட்டத்தில் இருந்தாலும் அவர், இளையராஜாவை 'மாமா' எனக் கூப்பிடும் குரலில் பண்ணைபுரத்துத் தமிழ் மணக்கும்!

* அறக்கட்டளை ஒன்றை அமைத்து வருடாவருடம் படைப்பாளிகளுக்கு விருதுகள் வழங்கிக் கெளரவப்படுத்துகிறார். பரிசுகள் பெற்றவர்களில் வண்ணதாசன், ஜெயமோகனும் அடக்கம்!

* முல்லையாற்றின் கரையில் லோயர் காம்ப்பில் இருக்கிற அம்மா சின்னத் தாயின் சமாதியில் அடிக்கடி போய் வழிபடுவார். எங்கும் அமைதியின் பூரணம் வழியும் அந்த இடத்தை அதிகம் விரும்புவார். சமாதியைத் தூய்மைப் படுத்தும் பணியை அவரே மேற்கொள்கிற பாங்கில் அழகு துளிர் விடும்!

* ராஜாவின் மீது ஏறி விளையாடுகிற ஒரே செல்லப் பேரன் யதீஸ்வர். கார்த்திக் ராஜாவின் மகன். யதீஸ் சொல்வதற்கு எல்லாம் ராஜாவின் தலையாட்டலும், சிரிப்பும், பணிவும் பார்க்கிறவர்களை ஆச்சர்யப்படவைக்கும்!

* ஜெயாகாந்தனின் மிகவும் நெருங்கிய நண்பர். அவரைப் பெருமைப்படுத்துவதற்காகவே கவிஞர் ரவிசுப்ரமணியத்தைக்கொண்டு ஓர் ஆவணப்படம் தயாரித்து இருக்கிறார்!

* ராஜாவின் செல்போன் காலர் டியூன் என்னவாக இருக்கும். ம்ஹூம்.... சாதாரண டிரிங் டிரிங்தான் !

* இசை வரலாற்றில் புரட்சி செய்து, சிம்பொனி, கீர்த்தனைகள் எழுதி, இசையமைப்பாளர்களின் இசையமைப்பாளராகக் கொண்டாடப்படுகிற இளையரஜாவுக்கு மத்திய அரசு இதுவரை விருதுகள் வழங்கிக் கெளரவித்தது இல்லை !

* ஏ.ஆர்.ரஹ்மான், ராஜாவிடம் சில வருடங்கள் பணியாற்றியிருக்கிறார். "என் இசைவாழ்வின் முக்கியமான காலம் அது" என நினைவுகூர்கிறார் ரஹ்மான்!

* இல்லமே கோயில் போல இருக்கும். அம்மா சின்னத்தாயின் படம் பெரிய அளவில் இருக்கும். பூக்களை அம்மாவின் காலடியில் இட்டு, கண்கள் பணிக்க வணங்கிவிட்டுத்தான் அன்றைய நாள் தொடங்கும்.

* வார நாட்களில் பிரசாத் ஸ்டுடியோவின் நுழைவாயிலில் இளையராஜாவின் கார் அமைதியாக நுழையும்போது நம் கடிகாரத்தைக் காலை 7 மணி என நிச்சயமாகத் திருத்திக்கொள்ளலாம்!

* இளையராஜா தன் சுயசரிதையை எழுதத் தொடங்கி 150 பக்கங்களுடன் அப்படியே நிறுத்தி வைத்திருக்கிறார். இப்படி உரை நடை பார்த்தறியாதது எனப் படித்தவர்கள் சொல்கிறார்கள்!

* ஹிந்திப் பாடகர் முமது ரபியின் பாடல்களை லகுவான் நேரங்களில் மெல்லிய குரல் எடுத்துப் பாடுவார் இளையராஜா. மிக நெருங்கிய நண்பர்களுக்கு மட்டும் கிடைக்கிற அபூர்வ நேரம் இது !

* அண்ணன் பாவலர் வரதராஜனின் பாடல்கள் மொத்தத்தையும் தொகுத்து வருகிறார் ராஜா. தமிழ் இலக்கியத்துக்கு மிகச்சிறந்த பங்களிப்பாக இருக்கும் இந்த முயற்சி!

* நாகஸ்வரம் பற்றிய ஓர் ஆவணப்படம் எடுக்க வேண்டும் என்பது இளையராஜாவின் கனவு. அதற்கான முயற்சியில் ஈடுபட்டு வருகிறார் !

* வெண்பாக்கள் எழுதுவதில் இளையராஜா மிகவும் கை தேர்ந்தவர். அவரது வெண்பாக்களை செம்மங்குடி பெரிதாகப் பாராடியிருக்கிறார். செம்மங்குடியின் படுக்கை அறையில் இருந்த ஒரே புகைப்படம் ராஜாவுடையதுதான்! .

நன்றி: ஆனந்த விகடன், 16.12.2009

[Fliflo]

http://www.bangaloremirror.com/index.aspx?page=article&sectid=25&contentid=20090910200909100025031256f87dd25&sectxslt=

IR charges 60 lakhs/movie ???

[Hulkster]

60 Lakhs if it is big budget, but a reduced fee for those who cant afford and sometimes does films for free. Sadly alot of media articles always make him sound money minded.

[Bala (Karthik)]

* நவராத்திரிகள்தான் ராஜா வீட்டு ஸ்பெ ஷல். மிகச் சிறந்த சங்கீத, இசைக் கலைஞர்களைத் தன் வீட்டுக்கு வரவழைத்து, கச்சேரிகள் நடத்தி ரசிப்பார். நவராத்திரியில் இளையராஜாவின் வீடு இசையால் நிரம்பி வழியும்!

A couple of years back, during Navarathri, a student of my wife's grand father played the violin for Raaja's vocals at his residence. This aspect of encouraging upcoming artists is not widely known through the media i guess....

[Hulkster]

A couple of years back, during Navarathri, a student of my wife's grand father played the violin for Raaja's vocals at his residence. This aspect of encouraging upcoming artists is not widely known through the media i guess....

I think that is where media plays their "influence". Before i came to hub, my image of thalaivar externally was a miserly and arrogant person thanks to all the old media articles. After going through more i realise he has done more dharmam than anyone else in TFM.

[Shankar]

>>>>>
IR charges 60 lakhs/movie ???
<<<<<

ivvaLo kammiyA kuduththA, nAn ezhudhara software kooda thAn inspired aaga irukkAdhu :(

Yuvan charges a crore, I heard !!

[irir123]

>>>>>
IR charges 60 lakhs/movie ???
<<<<<

ivvaLo kammiyA kuduththA, nAn ezhudhara software kooda thAn inspired aaga irukkAdhu :(

Yuvan charges a crore, I heard !!

shankar - appadi podu podu podu!

[crvenky]

Why is thalaivar appearing in thundu nowadays in the functions? Is it bcoz of chill weather?

[irir123]

crvenky - in that PAA function at Santham, after Bachan spoke, when IR began 'what are we giving to public ?..' enakku lesaa udharal - marupadiyum edho solli vambula maattipparonnu - nalla velai, at least on that occasion 'idam, porul, yeval' paarrthu, nice aaga bachan/balki ai paaraativittu escape aayittaar!! a big relief

indha mysskin yenna senju avar kitta vaangi kattikkarnu thaan theriyala/puriyala!

[Sanjeevi]

Shreya Ghoshal in twitter

A sng dear 2 me "Enakku Piditha Paadal"

[K]

http://raviaditya.blogspot.com/2009/12/blog-post_12.html


Epdilaam Rasikiranga pa Namma Raajava.

[Sanjeevi]

ராஜாவின் அதீத ரசிகர்கள் கவனிக்க (http://pitchaipathiram.blogspot.com/2009/12/121209-2.html)

IR, Misskin, Nandala and Charu (vidathu karuppu)

[K]

http://karisalkaran.blogspot.com/2009/12/blog-post_15.html

Balki About PAA

[Sanjeevi]

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2009/December/151209a.asp



ஓ.என்.வி.குரூப் பற்றி நான் விமர்சித்ததாக வந்த செய்திகள் என்னை அதிர்ச்சிக்குள்ளாக்கியிருக்கிறது. அவருக்கு முன் நான் மிக சாதாரணமானவன். அவரை விமர்சிக்க கூடிய தகுதி எனக்கு கிடையாது. அவரை நான் பெரிதும் மதிக்கிறேன்

[jaiganes]

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2009/December/151209a.asp



ஓ.என்.வி.குரூப் பற்றி நான் விமர்சித்ததாக வந்த செய்திகள் என்னை அதிர்ச்சிக்குள்ளாக்கியிருக்கிறது. அவருக்கு முன் நான் மிக சாதாரணமானவன். அவரை விமர்சிக்க கூடிய தகுதி எனக்கு கிடையாது. அவரை நான் பெரிதும் மதிக்கிறேன்

<seriousaa edhuthukaadheenga>
che che. idhu isai gnaani illaye. edho morphing panni irukkangv saamiyov.
Avaru maha garviyaache. avaraa ippadi?
idhu edho sadhi velai.

malayala kavingnarukku mannipu ketkum isai agnani namadhu thamizh muththu kavignargalidamum mannippu ketka thayaaraa?
indha dhoniyil, ellarum pesi appaavi isaignaniyai sabikkumaaru kettukoLgiren
</seriousaa edhuthukaadheenga>

[app_engine]

jaiganes,
:-)

Just another proof that when it comes to respecting seniors in the trade, IR is second to none. Whatever issues he may personally have / had with veterans, he had typically shown gratitude, respect etc to jAmbhavAns. In this PR case, it was a thirippu by media and still he came forward to clean up the mess, which is a good gesture.

(With VM, it's not gonna happen. One - it was probably a very personal issue one-on-one and difficult at their levels to redeem. Two - IR is senior in this case and probably expects the other to fall at his feet)

[Sureshs65]

app,

What you say is very true. His attitude towards seniors has been exemplary. His respect towards senior MDs who he may have not even met or worked with like S D Burman, Madanmohan, Roshan et al is very known and he has spoken about them in various circumstances. His respect towards MSV, G K Venkatesh and Dakshinamurthy Swamy is also well known.

As this article says, the words were so twisted by the time they reached Kerala they became fire balls. Good that Raja has clearly indicated his respect for ONV and put this to rest.

[AravindMano]

On getting piece of paper from "unknown destination", Janani Janani tune and being a stranger to music! (http://www.hindu.com/2009/12/18/stories/2009121858560200.htm)

[jaiganes]

On getting piece of paper from "unknown destination", Janani Janani tune and being a stranger to music! (http://www.hindu.com/2009/12/18/stories/2009121858560200.htm)
rightuuu
Start meesik....
ellarum vandhu oru kuththu kuthungappaa..

[app_engine]

அடடா, மறுபடி சாமியார் டெக்னாலஜி தொடங்கீருச்சா?

சரி, சரி, ப்ளம் அவர்கள் சொன்னது போல 2009 "இந்தியன் சம்மர்" தான் போலிருக்கு...

[irir123]

saamiyaar technology yellaam avar sondha vaazhkai prachanai! namakku yedhukku ? appuram IRukku 'idli' 'vadai' 'bonda' pidikkum aanaal, masala dosai pudikkaadhu appdeennu medaila solluvaar - adhukkum controversy kilappanumney niraiyya per kudhippaanga!

[app_engine]

irir123:-)
I was just recalling an old tfmpage theory that IR's music changed totally when he first got into sAmiyArism (some felt it lost the spontaneous nature).

2009 was a lot different with sparks of original IR spirit (including controversies). Looks like 2010 is back to late 80's...

[app_engine]

BTW, this particular news item is not a 'sontha vAzhkai' prachnai but a public appearance / stage show stuff :wink:

In any case, the only relevance to us is how it's gonna affect his next musical output.

[Nerd]

From Vikatan's Rosappoo Ravikkaikkaari review


ஒரு படத்தை பின்னணி இசையால் எந்த அளவுக்கு உயர்த்தலாம் என்பதற்கு இந்தப் படத்தில் இளையராஜாவின் சிரத்தை ஓர் அளவுகோல். கிராமத்து இசையில் இவரை வெல்ல இனி ஒருவர் பிறக்க வேண்டும், திரையுலகில்!

The film released in 1979.

[Shankar]

irir123:-)
I was just recalling an old tfmpage theory that IR's music changed totally when he first got into sAmiyArism (some felt it lost the spontaneous nature).

2009 was a lot different with sparks of original IR spirit (including controversies). Looks like 2010 is back to late 80's...

Eden (indha nalla punai pErai yEn boss change paNNineenga ??),
That theory was by a good friend and one of the most original writers/poets I've seen - Udhaya !
While IMO, that's not entirely true, but that burst of energy you saw in that irreverant/brash/young Raja was missing in the calm/composed/mature Raja that we saw after thAi mookAmbikai...

Another friend Sankaran, whose theory I have to agree with is that Raja lost that booming tabla after 1989 (compare the tabla in "dEvadhai...oru dEvadhai" from pattAkathi bhairavan, vs chinna thambi numbers...that deep/'metallic' sounding tabla was lost somewhere near "enga ooru pAttukkAran")

[jaiganes]

irir123:-)
I was just recalling an old tfmpage theory that IR's music changed totally when he first got into sAmiyArism (some felt it lost the spontaneous nature).

2009 was a lot different with sparks of original IR spirit (including controversies). Looks like 2010 is back to late 80's...

Eden (indha nalla punai pErai yEn boss change paNNineenga ??),
That theory was by a good friend and one of the most original writers/poets I've seen - Udhaya !
While IMO, that's not entirely true, but that burst of energy you saw in that irreverant/brash/young Raja was missing in the calm/composed/mature Raja that we saw after thAi mookAmbikai...

Another friend Sankaran, whose theory I have to agree with is that Raja lost that booming tabla after 1989 (compare the tabla in "dEvadhai...oru dEvadhai" from pattAkathi bhairavan, vs chinna thambi numbers...that deep/'metallic' sounding tabla was lost somewhere near "enga ooru pAttukkAran")

side nit pick/malarum ninaivugal....
There was a concert of Raaja that DD telecasted in 80s. I was jealous of the tabla guy with a gold ring in every finger....

[irir123]

Ilaiyaraaja, his zealous demystification-debunking of the mystical elements of classical music during the late 1970s and 1980s, proving that all of 'exploiting' music is purely an intellectual process - followed by the man's transformation into someone who began claiming that it all came from 'somewhere' - a deeply ironical self-contradictory position of someone who took the extreme opposite side of his perception of where all his creativity came from!

this man (just as his music is!) is difficul to comprehend!

[ananth222]

a deeply ironical self-contradictory position of someone who took the extreme opposite side of his perception of where all his creativity came from!
I think the "spiritual" aspect is a little overblown - I think IR says that his music "comes by itself, from within or above" only out of humility (or atleast the desire to appear humble).
IR himself summed it up very nicely with this metaphor: "a bird flying is a mechanical procedure. when you film it and view it frame by frame, it is a series of mechanical steps that can be clearly analyzed. but the bird flies without thinking about it mechanically, it flies from its heart." The same can be applied to his music, we can analyze the raagas, rhythm patterns etc. but when he composes it, it comes from his heart. Of course, the rational view is that all that technical knowledge is so deeply embedded in his mind, and the music flows without him having to think too much about technical concepts. But there is no denying that all that knowledge is firmly placed there and shows in his music.

[Shankar]

Madhan,
As I mentioned it in a different context, you can't (fortunately) explain the music creation, thro' the presently known logical tools, the science of today uses. You can explain the parts, but can never explain how the whole becomes what it is :)

[irir123]

you can't (fortunately) explain the music creation, thro' the presently known logical tools, the science of today uses. You can explain the parts, but can never explain how the whole becomes what it is :)

while i agree to the overall gist of your words, IMHO, IR often gets things mixed up - whenever 'mystic' elements come in, they often tend to create confusion rather than clarity

[Sanjeevi]

Virumbiyavargal padikkalam :)

again Charu

http://rozavasanth.blogspot.com/2009/12/sinuses-3.html

[rajasaranam]

The Poster of 'Thaandavakone' (http://www.dailythanthi.com/thanthiepaper/20122009/MDSJ100714_MDS_ALL.jpg).
At least the poster shows some quality than many other movies that Raaja was associated with lately. Can expect a good movie if this quality is carried forward into the movie making sense :)

[raja_fan]

This month issue of "Film Fare" contains an article "Master of Melody" at the last page.

[rajasaranam]

பழசிராஜா சில பண்பாட்டு ஐயங்கள் (http://www.jeyamohan.in/?p=5703)



திருப்பாவை, திருப்பள்ளி எழுச்சி எல்லாமே கேரளத்தில் பதினெட்டாம் நூற்றாண்டில் உண்டு. திருவஞ்சைக்குளம் போன்ற பல ஆலயங்கள் 19 ஆம் நூற்றாண்டுவரைகூட தஞ்சை சைவ ஆதீனங்களால் நிர்வகிக்கப்பட்டன. இப்போதும் ஒரு ஆசாரமாக அந்த வழக்கம் நீடிக்கிறது. அதை நன்றாக தெரிந்தே ராஜா அங்கே அந்த இசையை போட்டிருக்கிறார். அவரளவுக்கு கேரள வரலாறு மலையாளிகளுக்கே தெரியாது. அவரே அவர்களுக்கு தகவல்களைச் சொல்லிக்கொடுப்பதை கண்டிருக்கிறேன்

:notworthy:

[kiru]

The Poster of 'Thaandavakone' (http://www.dailythanthi.com/thanthiepaper/20122009/MDSJ100714_MDS_ALL.jpg).
At least the poster shows some quality than many other movies that Raaja was associated with lately. Can expect a good movie if this quality is carried forward into the movie making sense :)

Yes, good still photography work. The producers are called "Ambience movie makers"..the poster really conveys the ambience..I hope the dir of cinematography is equally good.

[kiru]

Madhan,
As I mentioned it in a different context, you can't (fortunately) explain the music creation, thro' the presently known logical tools, the science of today uses. You can explain the parts, but can never explain how the whole becomes what it is :)

If you listen to ALL the songs of IR, you would think he is doing a machine generation of tunes :-) Seriously, I think IR and artistic people like him get philosophical/religious because they themselves cannot explain how they came up with a tune. People like rs can say IR worked hard and this is the output ..but there are thousands of people who know raagams or WCM very well but they cannot create tunes..that is why IR says .."music knows me" or "some power found me to deliver these tunes to you"..When there are millions of possible permutations/combinations of the notes, to find the one that is musical is challenging using the computational power we have now and that too probably not possible without human involvement..so I have no conflict with IR's "explanation" of his abilities.
Recently, he said in Om Shanthi audio release function.."if I know music I will just sit back and relax without composing..I dont know so I keep composing" Think about it ..there is no contradiction here too..Many people dont want to do things which they know can do..been there done that ..but with music you dont know HOW it is happening ..or you ARE the one who is doing it ..since there is completion to your satisfaction/achievement you keep trying..

(I hope I also am not confusing like IR it is very clear to me just like it probably is to IR :-) )

[Sanjeevi]

though I am familiar with this tamil word,

What is the exact meaning of "ThandavakkonE"?

[Bala (Karthik)]

but there are thousands of people who know raagams or WCM very well but they cannot create tunes
:exactly:
IR has been picked on by 'purists' from either side - WCM and ICM but yevanavadhu ippadi *compose* panna mudiyuma?

[Hulkster]

Courtesy of Dr Vijay - IR Yahoo Groups

My Tryst With Ilaiyaraaja-Part 3 (http://prakashpov.blogspot.com/2009/12/my-tryst-with-ilayaraja-3.html)

The director of Om Shanti gives titbits about thalaivar in the above post.

[AravindMano]

அடுத்த வலைய விரிச்சிட்டாய்ங்க. யாரு சிக்க போறான்னு தெரில. இன்னைக்கு வந்த நக்கீரன் அட்டையில 'இளையராஜாவை தொட மறுத்த ஜெயேந்திரர்'னு போட்டிருக்காங்க. :?

[Hulkster]

Ithu veichi koodava controversy create pennuraanga? Thalaivar sneeze penaal kuda news varum polirukkey. Sariyaana alaiyaandinga :curse:

[Sanjeevi]

அடுத்த வலைய விரிச்சிட்டாய்ங்க. யாரு சிக்க போறான்னு தெரில. இன்னைக்கு வந்த நக்கீரன் அட்டையில 'இளையராஜாவை தொட மறுத்த ஜெயேந்திரர்'னு போட்டிருக்காங்க. :?

if it is true

Intha aalaiyum mathichu ivaru poi virudhu vangittu vanthurukkaaru paarunga

[raja_fan]

Sanjeevi,

Wait ! Do you know about Nakkeeran's policy towards Saints ? Sorry..,saints of a particular religion, that too Sankara Mutt ?
Veerappan is the saint for Nakkeeran !

[Sanjeevi]

Welcome r_f

Yeah I know the Nakkeeran standard, the worst. In fact, even JV and Reporter are not believable.

[Shankar.P]

"ThandavakkonE"?
Thaandavam - dance
kone - king
Natraj - Shiva - Easwaran

[AravindMano]

Thalaivar's Dubai Concert now on Kalaignar TV.

[Sanjeevi]

Thalaivar's Dubai Concert now on Kalaignar TV.

yes with same set of songs played in previous 2 concerts :twisted:

I may boycott Raaja's next concert if there will not be atleast 10 songs other than this preset. Somebody convey this to our Raaja :idontgetit: :cry2: :banghead:

[sivasub]

http://telegraphindia.com/1091224/jsp/entertainment/story_11900857.jsp

The experience was wonderful. Previously I had only worked with people who are my age, people who are contemporary. But with Raja Sir, it was very different. He is a great composer and I got to learn many new things. Also, with him, you have to write to precomposed tunes. All the Paa tunes were already there. He was very particular about the phonetics of the songs, the musicality. He is such a simple person. He has done 1,900 films but after meeting him, you will never come to know that.

[K]

http://meetchi.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/975/
Enna nu solarathu?

[K]

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/specials/2009/12/30-ilayaraja-release-paa-tamil.html


Rasa Remakes PAA in Tamil?

[Sanjeevi]

meendum veedhalam athanga Charu

http://www.charuonline.com/Dec2009/iruthirutham.html

sema comedyppa intha aaloda :rotfl3:

[MADDY]

i just saw Ilayaraja sir at thiruvannamalai temple. i saw him within a foot's distance. People around me saluted him and he reciprocated warmly as he kept walking. I was too shocked to react, extraordinary xperience.

He was along with karthik raja, his daughtrinlaw, his 2 grandsons. He was particularly fond of his 2nd grandson :-) .

[AravindMano]

You are blessed and lucky Maddy! I am still waiting for the day!

[Plum]

AhA! Isn't it true that God gives dharisanam not to die hard devotees but the agnostics and atheists? :-)
(Just kidding maddy)

[jaiganes]

i just saw Ilayaraja sir at thiruvannamalai temple. i saw him within a foot's distance. People around me saluted him and he reciprocated warmly as he kept walking. I was too shocked to react, extraordinary xperience.

He was along with karthik raja, his daughtrinlaw, his 2 grandsons. He was particularly fond of his 2nd grandson :-) .

girivalam poneengala?
Is this ur first visit?
I did not like my first visit, poittu vandhapparam ponadhu pidichirundhadhu, second and third visits really brought peace
ippo nenachaale podhum oru vidha relaxation varudhu.

[MADDY]

i just saw Ilayaraja sir at thiruvannamalai temple. i saw him within a foot's distance. People around me saluted him and he reciprocated warmly as he kept walking. I was too shocked to react, extraordinary xperience.

He was along with karthik raja, his daughtrinlaw, his 2 grandsons. He was particularly fond of his 2nd grandson :-) .

girivalam poneengala?
Is this ur first visit?
I did not like my first visit, poittu vandhapparam ponadhu pidichirundhadhu, second and third visits really brought peace
ippo nenachaale podhum oru vidha relaxation varudhu.

yes, this was my first time.......i found it very difficult starting up and was panting......then there was a paranormal shift in my energy levels and finished the walk quite easily.....something divine and seeing raaja so close by - another divine experience :bow:


AhA! Isn't it true that God gives dharisanam not to die hard devotees but the agnostics and atheists?

very true.......i have a IR fan frnd who met ARR in a bangalore mall right after i left that place........enna madhiri design idhu-nnu polambi theerthurukken :) .........maybe the larger design is for everyone to choose louu and bury our hate :D

[Vivasaayi]

...maybe the larger design is for everyone to choose louu and bury our hate :D

:)

[Plum]

...maybe the larger design is for everyone to choose louu and bury our hate :D

:)

:-)
BTW, I ran into Madhavan in Hyderabad airport last month. He was all alone and casual like any other traveller.

[Sureshs65]

Reminds me of the time I saw Rahman in Madras airport around the 1996/97 timeframe. I guess he was coming back from Singapore and the customs officials were falling over themselves to 'serve' him. As usual, he was his simple self.

[ajithfederer]

Maddy :)

Incidentally I have also seen ARR during my visit to India in 2007 at the Chennai airport 8-)

[app_engine]

[tscii:3342d20161]I've recently read a few posts in Shaji's blog (related to IR's music / ARR's dad's music etc) thanks to links from the hub and other places. (I believe Jeyamohan helps him in Thamizh articles. Shaji is also supposedly an associate of JeMo's "arch rival" Charu).

However, this post is somewhat disappointing :
http://shajiwriter.blogspot.com/2009/12/boney-m-songs-of-ghost-singers_31.html

Not because he talks about darling-darling. Please compare these two self-contradictory portions from this post :


It is true that world over the critics of music have not taken Boney M seriously; but they have not made any negative comments about them either. But in India there is nowadays a trend of holier-than-thou criticism of Boney M.




As I got acquainted with more and more classy Western music, I gradually realized that Boney M’s basic tunes were less creative and had the goal of addressing the lowest common denominator of the mass of music lovers.


I think it's time not to take this guy seriously anymore :-)
(This article has other factual errors like crediting 'one way ticket' to BoneyM, calling darling-darling as Priya's theme song etc.)
[/tscii:3342d20161]

[Sureshs65]

SPB is running a Telugu singing contest in ETV. It is titled 'Paadutha Teeyaga'. He did it a few years back for ETV before shifting to Maa TV and doing 'Paadalani Undi'. He is now back in ETV. This happens at 9pm or 9:30pm on Monday. Last Monday was dedicated to Raja songs with Gangai Amaran as the judge. As usual the singers are not that great but Balu's comments and his insights into what makes Raja songs great is what makes this show so watchable. My friend, who is ambivalent about Raja, called me to say he enjoyed the insights that Balu provided. As usual, Gangai Amaran was charming and irritating in equal measure. The next Monday (4th Jan) continues with Raja songs. So those of you who have an ETV connection, watch the program.

The episode is not yet loaded on youtube. Instead watch an earlier episode, where K Vishwanath was the judge, and Balu and Vishwanath talk about 'Mounamelanoyi' from 'Sagara Sangamam'. When you listen to people like Balu explain the uniqueness of the song you understand how much more of Raja you do not know !!!

The link to watch Balu talking about the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqbGh6qudO0&feature=related

[buggle]

i just saw Ilayaraja sir at thiruvannamalai temple. i saw him within a foot's distance. People around me saluted him and he reciprocated warmly as he kept walking. I was too shocked to react, extraordinary xperience.

He was along with karthik raja, his daughtrinlaw, his 2 grandsons. He was particularly fond of his 2nd grandson :-) .


i envy u....did u see him in the girivalam path? or inside the temple? i was planning long time to go for girivalam on full moon day but not getting worked out.

[MADDY]

i just saw Ilayaraja sir at thiruvannamalai temple. i saw him within a foot's distance. People around me saluted him and he reciprocated warmly as he kept walking. I was too shocked to react, extraordinary xperience.

He was along with karthik raja, his daughtrinlaw, his 2 grandsons. He was particularly fond of his 2nd grandson :-) .


i envy u....did u see him in the girivalam path? or inside the temple? i was planning long time to go for girivalam on full moon day but not getting worked out.

it was inside the temple....

[sivasub]

SPB is running a Telugu singing contest in ETV. It is titled 'Paadutha Teeyaga'. He did it a few years back for ETV before shifting to Maa TV and doing 'Paadalani Undi'. He is now back in ETV. This happens at 9pm or 9:30pm on Monday. Last Monday was dedicated to Raja songs with Gangai Amaran as the judge. As usual the singers are not that great but Balu's comments and his insights into what makes Raja songs great is what makes this show so watchable. My friend, who is ambivalent about Raja, called me to say he enjoyed the insights that Balu provided. As usual, Gangai Amaran was charming and irritating in equal measure. The next Monday (4th Jan) continues with Raja songs. So those of you who have an ETV connection, watch the program.

The episode is not yet loaded on youtube. Instead watch an earlier episode, where K Vishwanath was the judge, and Balu and Vishwanath talk about 'Mounamelanoyi' from 'Sagara Sangamam'. When you listen to people like Balu explain the uniqueness of the song you understand how much more of Raja you do not know !!!

The link to watch Balu talking about the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqbGh6qudO0&feature=related

This is one of the GA episodes.. waiting for others to be loaded. One of the very good songs from Anthapuram.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYXAV6yG57A

[Sureshs65]

Thanks sivasub. I was hoping the sx4 (Dileep) would load it and as expected he has. Can't thank that man enough for the number of amazing songs / clips that he loads in youtube. His specialty is Telugu Raja.

[par]

As I am not a big fan of Ilaiyaraaja of recent years, I usually turn to his earlier songs. There are quite a lot of his songs that I listen to on repeat mode for hours. 'Sangathil paadaatha kavithai' is on the top of the list.

But, when I read this month's 'Uyirmmai', I was shocked to know that the pallavi of that song is a copy of a song (Istanbul, Not Constantinople) by a group called 'The Four Lads'. Anybody knows anything about this? Is there any truth in it? When I tried, I couldn't find that particular song on the net.

[Plum]

par, it is a song called "selan e suktun nakasa". Try searching for that phrase - you might get it. Long back when I was visiting a Turkish neighbourhood in london, I heard this song and confirmed with them that it was scored in 1960's. Apparently, it is based on a traditional turkish hymn which is always sang by families when gathering for Christmas.*. Do spread the word. You will be a hero.
* I hope I got the format of baseless insinuation in the uyirmmais right :lol:

[rajasaranam]

I think it's time not to take this guy seriously anymore :-)


This month (Jan 2010) Issue of 'Uyirmai' has a Highly Defaming Article on Ilaiyaraaja by Shaji. He has twisted the words of Raaja during Pazhassiraja release function.

he writes that Raaja told 'The music of Pazhassiraja Didn't become hit because of the Lyrics of ONVKurup' :shock: and goes on defending ONV.

He also writes about Raaja being a liar since he told a twisted story about Madan Mohan & Roshan having never met during the ARR Felicitation function. The reality is MM and Roshan are good friends and it was Roshan who introduced MM to film music scene. While the Version of Shaji seems true (http://www.madanmohan.in/html/tribute/collegues/jaidev.html), It doesn't amount to call Raaja a 'liar', We can only assume that somebody should've narrated such a story to Raaja and he could've bought it. Shaji goes on writing that Raaja shouldn't talk about things which he doesn't know. :|

The other pages are filled with crap such as PAA, PR and Nannavanu Albums are below par and Raaja has lost his composing abilities. Further takes a potshot on 'Raaja' being a egoistic person and dwells in the world of 'Netru Illai naalai illai eppavum naan Raaja' which is why Raaja has fallen low.

He has added all craps of PazhaChaaru and Gnani on mookambigai temple jewel donation issue... Dylan-Marley-Gaddar Garbage issue and many other incidents like Raaja rejecting two aspiring singers sent by Lohithadaas for singing in 'Kasthurimaan'... the copied songs of Raaja Including 'Thumbi Vaa'?!! ( Says the english song he quotes and Thumbi Vaa are suspiciously similar).

Full 6 pages of nonsensical article and ending with rendering many a good advices to Raaja for changing his character advocating 'Love' to people. Oh what a loser He has become being with 'Chaaru', who cannot 'Love' the music because of reasons beyond the music itself.

[Plum]

RS, on the Roshan-MM episode, I think the essence of IR's point was that these were two MD's who didnt meet often, and their musical discussions were through the songs they composed. Even if MM has met Roshan physically before his death, it doesnt change that point.

Clearly, this is one time where we can see that great minds(Raja) talk about concepts and ideas(The extra-sensory musical discussions between MM and Roshan) while ordinary minds(Shaji, you, me) discuss people( like counter arguing that Roshan actually physically met MM before his death).

[kameshratnam]

As i have been mentioning, we should take only music from IR and leave the rest. It is impossible to cope up with other issues.

IR will not do the following:

1. Reply to all accusations
2. Release Symphony No 1
3. Have all his works released

[Sanjeevi]

uYirmai sucks big time. Even I lost respect to manushyaputhiram. Ivanunga ethukku 'siru pathirikkai', 'Ilakkiyam'-ngura pOrvaiyula masala article koduthukittu irukkanunga

[rajasaranam]

par,

Listen to the original and decide yourself whether this can be termed as a Copy!

http://arbproductions.ca/mp3/4lads/4lads-istanbul.mp3

[kameshratnam]

RS,

http://www.uyirmmai.com/Default.aspx

Can we get the article online?

[rajasaranam]

uYirmai sucks big time. Even I lost respect to manushyaputhiram. Ivanunga ethukku 'siru pathirikkai', 'Ilakkiyam'-ngura pOrvaiyula masala article koduthukittu irukkanunga

when I bought the magazine I never expected such an article. the front cover had a Raaja photo with caption 'Ilaiyaraaja Netrum Indrum'. I also witnessed (during my brief stay at Uyirmai stall @ Book Exhibition) many other people buying the magazine only for the face of Raaja on the cover. I Heard one person asking "Raaja pathi ithu thodar katturaiyaa?" and then opting to buy only the magazine after being prompted for a yearly subscription.

They have now known that Raaja sells still and are encashing on it! They want the dead Controversies to be alive so that chaaru can drink free of cost. I've seen people in Tasmac who comes inside with a 'Cutting' and then asking for water and a little side dish from some unknown people. Chaaru has stopped down lower than those people who can afford to buy their own drinks atleast. This guy is the epitome of 'Echa Kudi' and now he has got an ally in the name of 'Shaji', Thoooo... Ithellaam oru Pozhappu.

[rajasaranam]

Interstingly this weeks 'Kumudam' carries an Article by 'Gnani' on Margazhi Katcheris. He writes about Thayaraja Swamigal and his genius. He also writes that Thayagaraja though a religious person was also a socially aware citizen. He had witnessed such musical genius talent Only in Ilaiyaraaja after Thyagaraaja, but adds on a question about What has Raaja done? (for the society Probably! It is Natural to Expect a genius to be socially aware person but when he is not, why dont we accept him as such and enjoy his music?). In the last week issue of Kumudam too he wrote about PAA and said he liked the 'new Style' Music of Raaja and the BGM was apt for the Movie. We can only be happy that This guy atleast acknowledges the Genius of Raaja.

He termed Chaaru as 'Madhu Maadhu komali' in the same issue :lol:

[par]

par,

Listen to the original and decide yourself whether this can be termed as a Copy!

http://arbproductions.ca/mp3/4lads/4lads-istanbul.mp3

rajasaranam,

Hundred thanks for the link. Now I am a relieved man.

[par]

Interstingly this weeks 'Kumudam' carries an Article by 'Gnani' on Margazhi Katcheris. He writes about Thayaraja Swamigal and his genius. He also writes that Thayagaraja though a religious person was also a socially aware citizen. He had witnessed such musical genius talent Only in Ilaiyaraaja after Thyagaraaja, but adds on a question about What has Raaja done? (for the society Probably! It is Natural to Expect a genius to be socially aware person but when he is not, why dont we accept him as such and enjoy his music?). In the last week issue of Kumudam too he wrote about PAA and said he liked the 'new Style' Music of Raaja and the BGM was apt for the Movie. We can only be happy that This guy atleast acknowledges the Genius of Raaja.

He termed Chaaru as 'Madhu Maadhu komali' in the same issue :lol:

I thought he always did that.

[par]

par, it is a song called "selan e suktun nakasa". Try searching for that phrase - you might get it. Long back when I was visiting a Turkish neighbourhood in london, I heard this song and confirmed with them that it was scored in 1960's. Apparently, it is based on a traditional turkish hymn which is always sang by families when gathering for Christmas.*. Do spread the word. You will be a hero.
* I hope I got the format of baseless insinuation in the uyirmmais right :lol:

No, thanks. I am already happy with what I am. :D

[Sureshs65]

RS,

Plum is on the dot regarding what Raja was trying to convey.

As you perceptively said, people seem to know that Raja still sells and they try to keep controversies alive to rake in the moolah. Can't help it.

I feel there is no sense discussing Charu, Gnani or Shaaji because none of them has proved that they are music critics or they are any way better in their musical knowledge than ordinary folks like us. The best answer would be not to take them seriously. They do have a following but then why take the followers seriously either? !!

It is only in the Tamil Film Music milieu that we can have people who are more into literature, talk about music without knowing much about it. If the same happens in the Western world the concerned author would be asked to shut up. Music criticism is a big deal there. Here, all the authors declare, 'I don't know much about music' and then go on to give their opinions :lol: For some unknown reason they seem to believe that being authors and being able to express their thoughts well automatically gives them musical knowledge !!! As I said, we just need not worry about them if they talk such nonsense in their magazines or blogs. The right approach would be to go to the concerned blogs or to the magazine and register our view. But do you think it is worthwhile visiting Charu's blog? I can think of zillion better things to do, including watching paint dry. So, as the song goes, 'freea vidu freea vidu freea vidu mame' :)

[equanimus]

He also writes that Thayagaraja though a religious person was also a socially aware citizen. He had witnessed such musical genius talent Only in Ilaiyaraaja after Thyagaraaja, but adds on a question about What has Raaja done?
rajasaranam,
Just curious (and yes, off-topic :)), what did he have to say regarding what Thyagaraja "did for the society?" Or did he simply recall that the the man was a socially aware and good person?

P.S.: I know that Gnani had made some criticisms regarding TIS, but have not actually read the article(s) in question.

[jaiganes]

I think Raaja has answered some of his critics by saying
"I am not a great person, but great music flows out of me"
matra kazhisadaigaLai odhukkith thaan thaLLa vendum.
I say Raaja neeenga pesaama budapest poidungo.
ange okkandhundu albums pannungo. Indha paithiyakkaara naatle ungalukku enna Velai. u have given this place more than its due.
Rahman (not for comparison) paarunga, oru sila padangal pannoma, bombay flighta pudichoma, londonla land aanomaannu irukkar paarunga. andha maadhiri kelambunga saar. pop music circles illainnaalum, WCM la u have to give more. Carnaticla neenga potta madhyamavathikkum keeravaanikkum innum evanum badhil sollala.

[app_engine]

The best answer would be not to take them seriously.
...
Here, all the authors declare, 'I don't know much about music' and then go on to give their opinions :lol:
...
So, as the song goes, 'freea vidu freea vidu freea vidu mame' :)

Beautifully put, Sureshji :-)

Personally I've got convinced sometime back that nursery rhymes themselves are a big deal (hard to compose things like those which last practically for centuries)! Not many TFM songs can compete with an "ants go marching" song IMSO!

On top of it, this guy also disses prayer songs - again very tough to compose as they need to evoke great feelings and last much longer than pop songs!

With this kind of attitude, how good can a person write about any music at all, even if he has great musical knowledge?

Interestingly, I was just getting irritated with his BoneyM comments and telling myself to ignore this guy hereafter and our rs jumps in with another uyirmai stuff!

...இவன் கூட சேர்ந்து ஜெயமோகனுக்கும் இது மாதிரி "இசை ரசனை" வராம இருந்தா நல்லது...

[Sanjeevi]

Rahman (not for comparison) paarunga, oru sila padangal pannoma, bombay flighta pudichoma, londonla land aanomaannu irukkar paarunga. andha maadhiri kelambunga saar.

Aaha avaru veru mathirunga neenga avar screen appearance kodutha Azhagar Malai pattai kettupaarunga

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

This seem to be the time of authors as far as Tamilnadu is concerned. The newly discovered reach through Internet is driving many of them to express their views on almost everything. Given that each author has his / her own following, they go ahead and write what they please !!

For a minute pause and think what would happen in US if some well known and well respected author were to write such nonsense on some popular band, say LedZepplin. You can be rest assured that the author would be torn to bits. Here, somehow we give too much respect and leeway to authors and think 'maybe there is something in what he / she is saying' even when they write pure nonsense !! We take all views of the literary person too seriously.

[K]

uYirmai sucks big time. Even I lost respect to manushyaputhiram. Ivanunga ethukku 'siru pathirikkai', 'Ilakkiyam'-ngura pOrvaiyula masala article koduthukittu irukkanunga

when I bought the magazine I never expected such an article. the front cover had a Raaja photo with caption 'Ilaiyaraaja Netrum Indrum'. I also witnessed (during my brief stay at Uyirmai stall @ Book Exhibition) many other people buying the magazine only for the face of Raaja on the cover. I Heard one person asking "Raaja pathi ithu thodar katturaiyaa?" and then opting to buy only the magazine after being prompted for a yearly subscription.

They have now known that Raaja sells still and are encashing on it! They want the dead Controversies to be alive so that chaaru can drink free of cost. I've seen people in Tasmac who comes inside with a 'Cutting' and then asking for water and a little side dish from some unknown people. Chaaru has stopped down lower than those people who can afford to buy their own drinks atleast. This guy is the epitome of 'Echa Kudi' and now he has got an ally in the name of 'Shaji', Thoooo... Ithellaam oru Pozhappu.

Thala No tension. Relax .Vidunga elathukkum Kaalam bathil solum.

[raja_fan]

The problem with these leftist writers like Gnani or Charu is that they will have a communist lens to look at everything, even at artists.
I have a similar friend who will hate IR, just because he expects IR to nurture his musicians and bring them to his level !! And he will want him not to be religious !
Typical communist attitude :-)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

[tscii:6b74d76d7b]
http://www.charuonline.com/Dec2009/iruthirutham.html


புத்தக விழாவில் சாரு நிவேதிதா என்ற மேற்கண்ட குறிப்பில் இரண்டு பிழைகள். உடையாடல்கள் என்பது உரையாடல்கள் என்று இருக்க வேண்டும்.

அப்ஸொலூட் வோட்காவின் விலை 750 ரூ. இல்லை; 2000 ரூ. என்று கேள்விப்பட்டேன். என்னுடைய மதுபானச் செலவு என் நண்பர்களுடையது என்பதால் எனக்கு எந்த போத்தலின் விலையும் தெரியாது. எனக்கு வரும் ராயல்டி தொகை ஆண்டுக்கு ஒரு லட்சம். மாதம் எட்டாயிரத்து சொச்சம். அதில் ஒரே ஒரு ஜட்டி (விலை: ரூ. 1200/- Kelvin Klein), ஒரு கிழிந்த ஜீன்ஸ் (ரூ.6000/- Kelvin Klein), மற்றும் ஒரு சட்டை ( ரூ.4000/- Espirit) வாங்குவதற்கே பட்ஜெட் இடிக்கிறது. இந்த நிலையில் நான் எங்கே மதுபானச் செலவையும் ஏற்றுக் கொள்வது?

வாரம் ஒரு போத்தல் அப்ஸொலூட் வோட்காவை வீட்டுக்கு அனுப்பி வைக்கும் நண்பர் ரொம்பவும் கோபித்துக் கொண்டார். உங்களுக்கு போத்தல் அனுப்பி வைத்ததற்கு எனக்கு இதுவும் வேண்டும், இன்னமும் வேண்டும் என்று. பாருங்கள், இளையராஜாவின் பெயரை உச்சரித்ததும் பிரச்சினையில் மாட்டிக் கொண்டேன். போத்தல் அனுப்பி வைக்கும் நண்பரின் பெயரை மட்டும் கேட்காதீர்கள். அது ரகசியம்.

எனவே இளையராஜா பற்றி விவாதிக்க விரும்புபவர்கள் 2000 ரூ. கட்டணம் கொடுத்தால்தான் அது பற்றி என்னால் பேச முடியும்.

அகிலன் என்ற நண்பரின் இளையராஜா பற்றிய ஆய்வுக் கட்டுரையை அனுப்பி “இது பற்றி உங்கள் கருத்து என்ன? ” என்று கேட்ட முந்நூற்று சொச்சம் வாசகர்களுக்கும் என் பதில் இதுதான். இனிமேல் இளையராஜா விஷயத்தில் கட்டணம் கட்டினால்தான் பதில்.

மேலும், நண்பர் அகிலன் இளையராஜாவின் தொழில்ரீதியான விநியோகஸ்தர். அவரைப் போன்றவர்களிடம் என்னால் விவாதிக்க முடியாது. மேலும், அகிலன் முன்வைத்திருக்கும் எல்லா கேள்விகளுக்கும் நான் ஏற்கனவே பலமுறை பதில் சொல்லியாகி விட்டது.

மற்றபடி, வாருங்கள். புத்தகச் சந்தையில் சந்திப்போம். உரையாடுவோம். விவாதிப்போம்.

29.12.2009.

11.30 a.m.

:clap: :notworthy: to those 300 socham souls who bombed CHaaNi with IR related questions and :ty: to CHaani for announcing that IR reviews will be possible only if someone pays money. நிச்சயம் எவனும் காசு கட்ட போவதில்லை எனவே இனிமேல் இளையராஜா பற்றி சாரு எழுதவும் போவதில்லை :lol:

இதற்கு முன்பு ஏற்கனவே சாரு ஒருமுறை தன் இணையதளத்தை pay site ஆக மாற்ற முயன்று ஒரு பயலும் காசு கட்டாததனால் இன்னமும் அது ஒரு பேய் site ஆகவே இருக்கிறது :rotfl:

:poke: [/tscii:6b74d76d7b]

[Hulkster]

http://www.nakkheeran.in/users/frmNews.aspx?N=24156
In the above website, AGI Audio is said to have gained the audio publishing rights of Maestro Ilaiyaraaja' s music that came till the year 2000...
Well informed members here could throw some light on this news...

AGI Audio's website: http://www.agimusic.com/Agi_Music/Home.html

pro-Raaja...
Krishnan(Praveen)

[raagas]

[tscii:d1a5e077d2]Ilayaraja calls for stringent copyright laws: http://beta.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article75875.ece

“Agi Music has the rights to administrate all of Ilayaraja's works before the year 2000, in all areas and platform including radio broadcasting, synchronization usages, mechanical usages, mobile contents and internet downloads,” Agilan Lechaman, CEO, Agi Music, said.

Does it also mean the rights over background score material? Will ever agimusic release all that?[/tscii:d1a5e077d2]

[K]

Thalaivar Press meet vachu sollitaru pa, Sun TV NEWS la kamichanga.

[app_engine]

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/specials/2010/01/05-ilayaraja-gives-copyright-his-music.html



சில இசை நிறுவனங்களும் மொபைல் இசை சலுகைகள் வழங்குனர்களும் இந்த உரிமங்கள் தயாரிப்பாளர்களிடம் இருப்பதாகக் கூறி எனது அனுமதியின்றி காலர் டியூன், ரிங்டோன், எம்பி3 மற்றும் இன்ஸ்ரூமென்டல் என்று எல்லா படிவங்களிலும் எனது இசையை விநியோகித்து வருகிறார்கள்.

2000ஆம் ஆண்டுக்கு முந்திய எனது பெரும்பாலான இசை சார்ந்த காப்புரிமை அறிவார்ந்தச் சொத்துடமை அனைத்தும் எனது கட்டுப்பாட்டில்தான் உள்ளது..." என்றார்


That's an interesting info. Good that such intellectual property was not sold for a few thousands that those producers paid those days (and often made a lot of money with that already).

Now the question is how agi is going to bring out some quality products using such scores.

[irir123]

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/specials/2010/01/05-ilayaraja-gives-copyright-his-music.html



சில இசை நிறுவனங்களும் மொபைல் இசை சலுகைகள் வழங்குனர்களும் இந்த உரிமங்கள் தயாரிப்பாளர்களிடம் இருப்பதாகக் கூறி எனது அனுமதியின்றி காலர் டியூன், ரிங்டோன், எம்பி3 மற்றும் இன்ஸ்ரூமென்டல் என்று எல்லா படிவங்களிலும் எனது இசையை விநியோகித்து வருகிறார்கள்.

2000ஆம் ஆண்டுக்கு முந்திய எனது பெரும்பாலான இசை சார்ந்த காப்புரிமை அறிவார்ந்தச் சொத்துடமை அனைத்தும் எனது கட்டுப்பாட்டில்தான் உள்ளது..." என்றார்


That's an interesting info. Good that such intellectual property was not sold for a few thousands that those producers paid those days (and often made a lot of money with that already).

Now the question is how agi is going to bring out some quality products using such scores.

yes, agi might do that - but then, only your great grandchildren (if lucky grandchildren) may be able to get to buy the released works!

[nanchil_guy]

We have to raise all our concerns about this to Agilan at http://www.facebook.com/agilan.lechaman

[eagle]

I thought he always did that.



Yes Gnani's concern was to do with Raaja's spiritual leanings and his almost dead silence on many burning social issues but Gnani always mentions that he is a fan of raaja's film songs.

Over to shaji now, first he proves that no one can be completely unbiased or without prejudice. I have always noticed that even before this uyirmmai article (which i have not read yet) he is not a fan of Raaja not only that, the kind of in depth analysis he does on the pre ilayaraja composers like salil da, MSV, roshan etc, the passion with which he writes about them is completely missing when it comes to Raaja . if you think its a generation gap kind of thing you are wrong the same passion comes back when he writes about AR. I find nothing wrong it but i thought being a music critic he will maintain a certain decorum but sadly if the uyirmmai article is true than he proves he is no better than Charu.There is absolutely no need for him to talk about Raaja this way.

BTW if you notice the other guy in the block Agilan he also seems to suffer the same syndrome in this case he is biased towards Raaja than AR.

Finally are we fans better than them openly displaying affection for some one rather than disguise over selves as a neutral one and one fine day showing true colors and stand exposed?
:?

[eagle]

[tscii:3f4ac74be0]Ilayaraja calls for stringent copyright laws: http://beta.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article75875.ece

“Agi Music has the rights to administrate all of Ilayaraja's works before the year 2000, in all areas and platform including radio broadcasting, synchronization usages, mechanical usages, mobile contents and internet downloads,” Agilan Lechaman, CEO, Agi Music, said.

Does it also mean the rights over background score material? Will ever agimusic release all that?[/tscii:3f4ac74be0]

Do check the site they are doing something good.
http://www.agimusic.com/Agi_Music/Ilaiyaraaja.html

Some upcoming non film albums and his not no easily available albums.

Also after seeing the song collections called "soul core" i believe in them mainly because when you want to buy assorted collections of raaja 50% of the songs will be good the rest wont be up to the mark but i find all the songs in this album is good & i am going to buy it.

[raagas]

eagle,

that link has 2 albums called "Isai Inbam" and "Janani". Any idea?

[sivasub]

same news on copyrighting in a calcutta based newspaper

http://telegraphindia.com/1100106/jsp/frontpage/story_11949145.jsp

Interesting addition...

Ilayaraja, whose latest score was for the Amitabh Bachchan-starrer Paa, alleged that a few record labels were violating copyright laws by releasing his songs in the new media without permission. Before the year 2000, copyright laws were not clear on rules for the new media, like the Internet.

The distribution rights for songs composed by Ilayaraja after 2000 have been given to several companies, sources said.

[crvenky]

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2010/January/060110b.asp

Another interesting quip:
இசை தெரிந்த அளவுக்கு எனக்கு பணம் பண்ண தெரியவில்லை. இவ்வாறு கூறினார் இசைஞானி இளையராஜா.

[par]

I don't know what MB Srinivasan and other MDs of earlier era thought about copyright related issues. As far as I know, Ilaiyaraaja was the first Tamil MD who said the copyright of the songs should be with the MDs and with the producers of the movie. He fought with the producers for royalty in the early 80s. (It is one more way where he is the pioneer in the field).

I don't know what happened next. Maybe the producers didn't budge. That let him to start his own audio company and get back the royalty which is rightfully his. That's a brilliant move. That's why the copyright of his earlier songs is with him.

So, I wouldn't call him an innocent with regarding to business aspects. He may not be as savvy as some of the current MDs, but he was much better than the earlier ones.

[This are just my thought. Somewhat hazy at that. I am willing to change this view if I get additional inputs on this matter. So don't get me wrong.]

[Sanjeevi]

par

I think what he think to say

few years back
no ringtone business
no itunes
no 24 hr music channels
no fm channels
no mp3s
- and mainly no Internet which spereads pirated copes like anything

You have so many mp3 songs in your system and listening, did you pay? leave that. All FM channels playing his songs daily, hourly even every minute his song is telecasted by some x which can be a fm or tv. And it has become a trend to use IR songs/bgm in new films now. I dont he is getting money for this type of usages.

I think just he wants the users of his composings in a proper way and ofcoures he may needs money to give soul some of his dream ideas :D

[Plum]

pullarkkidhubA! (http://www.jeyamohan.in/?p=5703)


திருப்பாவை, திருப்பள்ளி எழுச்சி எல்லாமே கேரளத்தில் பதினெட்டாம் நூற்றாண்டில் உண்டு. திருவஞ்சைக்குளம் போன்ற பல ஆலயங்கள் 19 ஆம் நூற்றாண்டுவரைகூட தஞ்சை சைவ ஆதீனங்களால் நிர்வகிக்கப்பட்டன. இப்போதும் ஒரு ஆசாரமாக அந்த வழக்கம் நீடிக்கிறது. அதை நன்றாக தெரிந்தே ராஜா அங்கே அந்த இசையை போட்டிருக்கிறார். அவரளவுக்கு கேரள வரலாறு மலையாளிகளுக்கே தெரியாது. அவரே அவர்களுக்கு தகவல்களைச் சொல்லிக்கொடுப்பதை கண்டிருக்கிறேன்

[Plum]

par

I think what he think to say

few years back
no ringtone business
no itunes
no 24 hr music channels
no fm channels
no mp3s
- and mainly no Internet which spereads pirated copes like anything

You have so many mp3 songs in your system and listening, did you pay? leave that. All FM channels playing his songs daily, hourly even every minute his song is telecasted by some x which can be a fm or tv. And it has become a trend to use IR songs/bgm in new films now. I dont he is getting money for this type of usages.

I think just he wants the users of his composings in a proper way and ofcoures he may needs money to give soul some of his dream ideas :D
adhukku munnADi petha kadanai thIrkaNum. Karthikku oru jeevanasamthukku vazhi paNnanum!

[app_engine]

BTW if you notice the other guy in the block Agilan he also seems to suffer the same syndrome in this case he is biased towards Raaja than AR.



My observation is that Agilan is not claiming to be a "writer" though he maintains a blog. (i.e. in the sense of being in that business - like the others who write in small circle mags and also maintain blogs)

His primary business seems to be music (Agi music, which is now declared to have the copyright of majority of pre-2K works of IR) and I don't think he hides his bias towards IR.

IMO, he is a proclaimed HCIRF and also one of IR's business partners. From that viewpoint, his "lower grading of ARR" is perfectly understandable.

(However, IMO, it will be better for him to avoid getting into answering / explaining etc to the likes of Charu on blogs ; instead, he can find out some legal means to shut up such outrageous / baseless / compulsive / indulgent defamers)

[ramk1]

This guy agilan is a friend of Charu also. Charu mentioned in his recent blabber/writings that Agilan is a business partner of IR.

[Sureshs65]

indha blog vaika thagarara seekiram mudingappa :)

In the ETV program, where the contestants were singing Raja songs, Gangai Amaran gave some interesting information about the songs of 'Vaidhehi Kaathirundhal'. (I am not sure if this is already known. Posting because it is not known to me :D ) He said that Raja and some of his team members, including GA, had gone to Mudumalai to compose for 'Thanga Magan'. The plan was that the composing session would last two days. As it happens often with Raja, he finished composing all songs in the first half of first day. This led to some boredom and he started composing other songs at that point in time. He is supposed to have composed six tunes. They recorded those tunes, came to Madras, gave the tunes to Panju Arunachalam, asking him to check if a story can be woven around these tunes. PA in turn sent it to a few leading directors. R Sundarrajan was the first one to come to them with a story and that is how 'Vaidhehi Kathirundal' happened.

Check out this link where Gangai Amaran narrates the incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lttrb3NMWNA

[irir123]

from what little i know about music related copyrights, the moment a composer has given the tune and gotten it recorded - the producer pays for the studio, the recording, orchestra etc etc besides the composer's fee! - the track/album belongs to the producer and not the composer - but i beleive the composer/band can have an agreement signed with the producer for 'reproducing' the song in some other format, and if such an agreement exists, then when someone other than the composer uses/plays the track, the composer gets a royalty - in the absence of such an agreement, its the producer's discretion to decide who uses and who does not

but then assuming that most of IR's music producers from the 1980s/1990s have probably disappeared or out-of-business, and the fact that intellectual property rights/ copyrights in India is a big joke, anyone can do anything and get away with it

latest i have learnt from my friends circle is that the 4th track from the recent "Sherlock Holmes" film scored by Hans Zimmer seems to have been lifted from an Ennio Morricone score and is creating a big buzz amongst film music fans circles! if its true, there might be a legal battle

but then things outside Asia are handled way differently and much more professionally

[eagle]

eagle,

that link has 2 albums called "Isai Inbam" and "Janani". Any idea?

No idea. My guess is "Isai Inbam" might be like "soul core". Janani may be another spiritual album....

[Sanjeevi]

This guy agilan is a friend of Charu also. Charu mentioned in his recent blabber/writings that Agilan is a business partner of IR.

I don't know, but I know he is friend of JeyaMohan

[app_engine]

The plan was that the composing session would last two days. As it happens often with Raja, he finished composing all songs in the first half of first day. This led to some boredom and he started composing other songs at that point in time. He is supposed to have composed six tunes.

Interesting info, Sureshji :-) (I'll watch the youtube once I reach home).

Both thangamagan & VK in just two days?

See the list of songs :

ராத்திரியில் பூத்திருக்கும் தாமரை தான் பெண்ணோ
பூமாலை ஒரு பாவை ஆனதோ
வா வா பக்கம் வா
அடுக்கு மல்லிகை
மச்சானப்பாரடி
ராசாத்தி ஒன்ன காணாத நெஞ்சு
இன்றைக்கு ஏனிந்த ஆனந்தமே
மேகம் கருக்கையிலே புள்ள தேகம் குளிருதடி
காத்திருந்து காத்திருந்து காலங்கள் போகுதடி
அழகு மலராட

A set of 10 gems that figure among the best songs of IR?

அவரை அடுத்த ப்ராஜெக்ட் டீம் மெம்பர்களோட சேத்து முதுமலைக்கு பேக் பண்ணுங்கப்பா :-)

[Plum]

Another from Jeyamohan (http://www.jeyamohan.in/?p=5738)

ஜெ

அன்புள்ள ஜெ,

ஆனால் சாரு இளையராஜா குறித்து சொல்வதில் எனக்கு உடன்பாடு உண்டு. ஸ்லம் டாக்கின் ஜெய் ஹோ பாட்டை பல தடவை கேட்டு விட்டு அது காதுகளில் இடை விடாமல் ரீங்காரமிடுகிறது என்றார் அமெரிக்க நண்பர். . இந்த கண்டம், கலாச்சாரம் தாண்டி இசையால் ஒரு உள்ளத்தை தொடுவது ஜாக்ஸன், ரஹ்மான் போன்றோரால் தான் முடியும்.

ராஜாவின் பல ஆரம்ப கால பாடல்கள் எனக்கு மிக விருப்பமானது. இப்போதும் விடாமல் கேட்கிறேன். ஆனால் அவர் ஒரு தமிழ் இசையமைப்பளார் மட்டுமே. என்ன தான் இசை ஞானி என்றும் மயிஸ்த்ரோ என்றும் அழைக்கப்பட்டு தூக்கிவிடப்பட்டாலும் அவரால் மற்ற மொழிகளில் நிலைக்க முடியவில்லை. அவரின் இசை எந்த ஒரு தாக்கத்தையும் வடக்கில் ஏற்படுத்தவில்லை.

இது தான் ராஜாவுக்கும் ரஹ்மானுக்கும் உள்ள வித்தியாசம். என்னைப்பொறுத்தவரை ராஜா 70′ல் 80′ல் இல்லாமல் 90′இன் இண்டெர்நெட் யுகத்தில் படைக்க ஆரம்பத்திருந்தாலும் இதையே தான் செய்திருப்பார். .

அன்புடன் சிவா







அன்புள்ள சிவா,

இந்த விவாதத்தை இசை சார்ந்து நான் மேலே கொண்டுசெல்ல மாட்டேன், எனக்கு அந்த தளம் பரிச்சயமில்லாதது.



ஆனால் இலக்கியம் சார்ந்தும் எப்போதும் இந்த வினா உண்டு. ஆர்.கே.நாராயணன் ல.ச.ராமாமிர்தம் யார் மேல்? நாராயணன் உலகமெங்கும் செல்கிறார். ல.ச.ராவை தமிழ்ப்பண்பாட்டுக்குள் வராமல் வாசிக்க முடியாது. அரவிந்த் அடிகாவை யாரும் வாசிக்கலாம். சிவராம காரந்தை கன்னடப்பண்பாட்டுக்கு மனதை கொடுக்காமல் வாசிக்க முடியாது.



சினுவா ஆச்சிபி ஆப்ரிக்க நாவலாசிரியர் அல்ல என்றே நான் சொல்வேன், அவர் ஆப்ரிக்கர்களைப் பற்றி பொதுவான உலக வாசகர்களுக்கு எழுதுபவர். அவர் காட்டும் ஆப்ரிக்கா அல்ல ஆப்ரிக்கா. அது நாம் காணவிரும்புவது மட்டுமே. நம் எதிர்பார்ப்புகளுக்கு ஏற்ப எழுதப்பட்டது



நான் வோல் சொயிங்கா அல்லது பென் ஒக்ரியையே நாடிச்செல்வேன். எனக்கு தேவையானது அசலான பண்பாட்டு தன்மை கொண்ட எழுத்தே.



நீங்கள் சொல்வது உண்மையாக இருக்கலாம். எதிர்காலத்தில் புதுமைப்பித்தன் முதல் ஜெயமோகன் வரை உள்ள தமிழ் எழுத்தாளர்கள் பழசகி தேவையில்லாமல் ஆகிப்போகலாம். சென்னை மாமிகள் ஆங்கிலத்தில் எழுதும் நாவல்கள் வழியாக தமிழ் இலக்கியம் வாழலாம். உலகளாவ தமிழிலக்கியமே அதுவென பேசப்படலாம். உலகில் எல்லாருக்கும் எந்த சிரமமும் இல்லாமல் அது புரியலாம்.



இருந்தாலும் நான் இங்கேயே நிற்பேன்

[rajasaranam]

Plum,

ஜெமோவோட பழைய இடுகையெல்லாம் இப்பதான் படிக்றீங்க போல!

[Sureshs65]

Plum,

Thanks for the link. Jeyamohan writes so much that it is difficult keeping up with his speed :)

What he says is 100% correct and it is a waste of time trying to assess any artist's work just on the basis of their reach and popularity. In a different context Jeyamohan had earlier argued against Araving Adiga being pushed forward at the expense of Sivram Karanth and Arundathi Roy held forth in preference of Basheer.

Even though Jeyamohan doesn't go forward in terms of music, I would say what he says is true for music as well. I mean, if the same scale as the poster was used, then some of our greatest MDs like S.Rajeshwar Rao, Pendyala Nageshwar Rao, Devarajan, Baburaj, Dakshinamurthy Swamy, Lingappa and many others will be evaluated as 'minor music directors'!! I am sure there are many such MDs in Marathi, Bengali, Gujrati etc who did not cross their borders but have done great work within their states and their language. Reach can just be one of the criteria and definitely not a major one when assessing the quality of music. Else Michael Jackson will be the great musician ever and I can't stand his music!! (His dancing and videos are a different matter though.)

[Plum]

Yes, RS. HUB-il matter illAdha pOdhu, siridhu JeMO blog-aiyum mEivOm!

[nanchil_guy]

Another from Jeyamohan (http://www.jeyamohan.in/?p=5738)

ஜெ

அன்புள்ள ஜெ,

ஆனால் சாரு இளையராஜா குறித்து சொல்வதில் எனக்கு உடன்பாடு உண்டு. ஸ்லம் டாக்கின் ஜெய் ஹோ பாட்டை பல தடவை கேட்டு விட்டு அது காதுகளில் இடை விடாமல் ரீங்காரமிடுகிறது என்றார் அமெரிக்க நண்பர். . இந்த கண்டம், கலாச்சாரம் தாண்டி இசையால் ஒரு உள்ளத்தை தொடுவது ஜாக்ஸன், ரஹ்மான் போன்றோரால் தான் முடியும்.

ராஜாவின் பல ஆரம்ப கால பாடல்கள் எனக்கு மிக விருப்பமானது. இப்போதும் விடாமல் கேட்கிறேன். ஆனால் அவர் ஒரு தமிழ் இசையமைப்பளார் மட்டுமே. என்ன தான் இசை ஞானி என்றும் மயிஸ்த்ரோ என்றும் அழைக்கப்பட்டு தூக்கிவிடப்பட்டாலும் அவரால் மற்ற மொழிகளில் நிலைக்க முடியவில்லை. அவரின் இசை எந்த ஒரு தாக்கத்தையும் வடக்கில் ஏற்படுத்தவில்லை.

இது தான் ராஜாவுக்கும் ரஹ்மானுக்கும் உள்ள வித்தியாசம். என்னைப்பொறுத்தவரை ராஜா 70′ல் 80′ல் இல்லாமல் 90′இன் இண்டெர்நெட் யுகத்தில் படைக்க ஆரம்பத்திருந்தாலும் இதையே தான் செய்திருப்பார். .

அன்புடன் சிவா







அன்புள்ள சிவா,

இந்த விவாதத்தை இசை சார்ந்து நான் மேலே கொண்டுசெல்ல மாட்டேன், எனக்கு அந்த தளம் பரிச்சயமில்லாதது.



ஆனால் இலக்கியம் சார்ந்தும் எப்போதும் இந்த வினா உண்டு. ஆர்.கே.நாராயணன் ல.ச.ராமாமிர்தம் யார் மேல்? நாராயணன் உலகமெங்கும் செல்கிறார். ல.ச.ராவை தமிழ்ப்பண்பாட்டுக்குள் வராமல் வாசிக்க முடியாது. அரவிந்த் அடிகாவை யாரும் வாசிக்கலாம். சிவராம காரந்தை கன்னடப்பண்பாட்டுக்கு மனதை கொடுக்காமல் வாசிக்க முடியாது.



சினுவா ஆச்சிபி ஆப்ரிக்க நாவலாசிரியர் அல்ல என்றே நான் சொல்வேன், அவர் ஆப்ரிக்கர்களைப் பற்றி பொதுவான உலக வாசகர்களுக்கு எழுதுபவர். அவர் காட்டும் ஆப்ரிக்கா அல்ல ஆப்ரிக்கா. அது நாம் காணவிரும்புவது மட்டுமே. நம் எதிர்பார்ப்புகளுக்கு ஏற்ப எழுதப்பட்டது



நான் வோல் சொயிங்கா அல்லது பென் ஒக்ரியையே நாடிச்செல்வேன். எனக்கு தேவையானது அசலான பண்பாட்டு தன்மை கொண்ட எழுத்தே.



நீங்கள் சொல்வது உண்மையாக இருக்கலாம். எதிர்காலத்தில் புதுமைப்பித்தன் முதல் ஜெயமோகன் வரை உள்ள தமிழ் எழுத்தாளர்கள் பழசகி தேவையில்லாமல் ஆகிப்போகலாம். சென்னை மாமிகள் ஆங்கிலத்தில் எழுதும் நாவல்கள் வழியாக தமிழ் இலக்கியம் வாழலாம். உலகளாவ தமிழிலக்கியமே அதுவென பேசப்படலாம். உலகில் எல்லாருக்கும் எந்த சிரமமும் இல்லாமல் அது புரியலாம்.



இருந்தாலும் நான் இங்கேயே நிற்பேன்





How can someone limit IR's reach to tamil alone when he has done 50 Mallu, 100+ Telugu and 20+ kannada successful and very popular original scores already and counting!! on the other hand the person who asked the question seem to be limited to Tamil & Hindi film Music alone!!

[Plum]

Plum,

Thanks for the link. Jeyamohan writes so much that it is difficult keeping up with his speed :)

What he says is 100% correct and it is a waste of time trying to assess any artist's work just on the basis of their reach and popularity. In a different context Jeyamohan had earlier argued against Araving Adiga being pushed forward at the expense of Sivram Karanth and Arundathi Roy held forth in preference of Basheer.

Even though Jeyamohan doesn't go forward in terms of music, I would say what he says is true for music as well. I mean, if the same scale as the poster was used, then some of our greatest MDs like S.Rajeshwar Rao, Pendyala Nageshwar Rao, Devarajan, Baburaj, Dakshinamurthy Swamy, Lingappa and many others will be evaluated as 'minor music directors'!! I am sure there are many such MDs in Marathi, Bengali, Gujrati etc who did not cross their borders but have done great work within their states and their language. Reach can just be one of the criteria and definitely not a major one when assessing the quality of music. Else Michael Jackson will be the great musician ever and I can't stand his music!! (His dancing and videos are a different matter though.)

atlast I found someone who doesnt resonate much with Jackson

[Plum]

nanchil_guy, I guess jeMO's exposure to IR is limited to Tamil and malayalam. I dont think he has restricted IR to tamil anyway. He is just outlining a generic concept he believes in