COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY - PART2

[rajasaranam]

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.


i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.


Copy of the Copying Thread

http://tfmpage.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=1058

:D

[music man]

Hi friends!!!!

For a change, a youtube link which has songs inspired from our own A.R.Rahman.....
They are either remixes and remakes credited to A.R.Rahman...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5fcH8ZgNJQ&feature=related

[sloshed]

virrajan....

Just answer me this then...

Is Taxi Taxi.... A blanata rip-off/copied song??

[SoftSword]

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.


i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.


Copy of the Copying Thread

http://tfmpage.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=1058

:D

good one RS :)

[viraajan]

virrajan....

Just answer me this then...

Is Taxi Taxi.... A blanata rip-off/copied song??

neither.

that humming and rhythm pattern resemble. this might be an inspired one or just a coincidental one.

[sloshed]

humming and rythm might be inspired one or coincidental one ????? I am stumped...

well .. ok dont go too further .. all you have to do is search for reggaeton..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5zdwImXOuo

and every single one will have a beat like this...

IT doesnt matter.. What matters is the song and the tune.. beats are secondary....nobody in this tfm can claim that his percussions are original ... after all we live in a cyclic world..

[pure bliss]

slosh,
avaru blogla poi na ethaye than comment pannen. avara vittutunga othukamataru.

Check out the beats in the song DILRUBA by Vidhyasagar, released in the mid 90s. Entha patta ketta enna solvaro!

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBVID00063.html

[sloshed]

bliss,

the beats are definitely the same ... the interesting thing is reggaeton made its entry only in the early 90's in latin america. In the course of about 10 years it just spread its wings all over. Priyam came out in 1996 and with the lack of internet at that time.. I am not too sure Vidyasagar would have chosen to incorporate the beats 'verbatim'. Even if he did I dont see anything wrong in it...I dont hold that against him, its still a good song..

[interz]

Listen to Daddy Yankees "Rompe"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHan4p58hKs

I dont say anything further

[kingvj]

Listen to Daddy Yankees "Rompe"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHan4p58hKs

I dont say anything further

maybe i am unable to find what you're referring to..! What song?

[viraajan]

Slosh, Pure bliss,

I dont want to comment anymore abt this.

You ppl are in wrong perception. No use in sharing my opinion. You ppl are making it as an arguement which am not interested in. I never declared that its a RIP. Did i? At first I thought that could be an inspired one, but later i changed that this could be a coincidental one.

Sloshed,
I agree with your last point which is quite true. But coincidence-kum, blatant rip-kum konjam kooda vithyasam theriyamla irukkum????

-End-

[thamizhvaanan]

bliss,

the beats are definitely the same ... the interesting thing is reggaeton made its entry only in the early 90's in latin america. In the course of about 10 years it just spread its wings all over. Priyam came out in 1996 and with the lack of internet at that time.. I am not too sure Vidyasagar would have chosen to incorporate the beats 'verbatim'. Even if he did I dont see anything wrong in it...I dont hold that against him, its still a good song..

If I am not mistaken, the same rhythm is also present in arabic music... but with arabian percussion instruments. Perhaps dats the rhythm VS was trying?

[dinesh2002]

Listen to Daddy Yankees "Rompe"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHan4p58hKs

I dont say anything further

maybe i am unable to find what you're referring to..! What song?

im guessing Pudhu Pudhu - Dhaam Dhoom starting tune?? :?

[interz]

The beat and Nanananaa .. part from Daddy Yankees "Rompe" is quite similar to "Taxi Taxi from Sakkarakatti.

I call it co-incidence and not copying cuz i dont want my head chopped by hardcore ARR fans.

[SoftSword]

The beat and Nanananaa .. part from Daddy Yankees "Rompe" is quite similar to "Taxi Taxi from Sakkarakatti.

I call it co-incidence and not copying cuz i dont want my head chopped by hardcore ARR fans.

They wont chop ur head boss...
they would just ignore u.

[sloshed]

Interz,

I dont know why U want to call it coincidence ?? Give ARR some credit ..If You and I can talk about world music.. I am sure he can give us lectures on it.. . He pretty much knows its reggaeton and he wanted to incorporate a reggaeton song in tamil.which is a first in Tamil( priyam song somehow cant be counted as raggaeton ) whats wrong with that ???

What I cant accept is people coming up and saying its a copy...!! its not.. merely taking a beats from some form of music isnt copying... as I said none of the percussions from tfm are original.. they can be innovative for sure... (They all the sounds come out from a drum and a synth..If there is a Def Leppard fan .. would argue otherwise..the percussion of Dep Leppard was distinct and Unique they they came out..!!)

If you read Harris page , ppl already started cribbing that the Anal Mele song beats are similar to Ven Megam from YNM... sooooooo????????? IR gave countless memorable songs in the 80's using the same tabla routine.. would be call that now copying / inspired from his previous songs.. ITS NOT THE BEATS!!!! I think I am going to pretty much take SoftSword stance.. kindly ignore these folks..

Virranjan... I pretty much know whats the diff between conincidence and rip .. and Taxi Taxi song is niether... the makers knew what they were upto...and they did it well ... I am extrememly happy with the output... Call it whatever you want .. please dont call it coincidence .. its really painful to even read that ...

[dinesh2002]

Interz,

I dont know why U want to call it coincidence ?? Give ARR some credit ..If You and I can talk about world music.. I am sure he can give us lectures on it.. . He pretty much knows its reggaeton and he wanted to incorporate a reggaeton song in tamil.which is a first in Tamil( priyam song somehow cant be counted as raggaeton ) whats wrong with that ???

What I cant accept is people coming up and saying its a copy...!! its not.. merely taking a beats from some form of music isnt copying... as I said none of the percussions from tfm are original.. they can be innovative for sure... (They all the sounds come out from a drum and a synth..If there is a Def Leppard fan .. would argue otherwise..the percussion of Dep Leppard was distinct and Unique they they came out..!!)

If you read Harris page , ppl already started cribbing that the Anal Mele song beats are similar to Ven Megam from YNM... sooooooo????????? IR gave countless memorable songs in the 80's using the same tabla routine.. would be call that now copying / inspired from his previous songs.. ITS NOT THE BEATS!!!! I think I am going to pretty much take SoftSword stance.. kindly ignore these folks..

Virranjan... I pretty much know whats the diff between conincidence and rip .. and Taxi Taxi song is niether... the makers knew what they were upto...and they did it well ... I am extrememly happy with the output... Call it whatever you want .. please dont call it coincidence .. its really painful to even read that ...

:shock: :shock: :shock: sloshed ah pesarethe????

[baba88]

I found that on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxTS6D4dPWI

[karthik_sa2]

I found that on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxTS6D4dPWI


ridiculous

[karthik_sa2]

:lol: @poll

[thamizhvaanan]

:lol: @poll

andha oru votu ennudhu :mrgreen:

[viraajan]

I found that on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxTS6D4dPWI


ridiculous

idha avar yerkanave sollitaru. yaarum kandukala pola. so he posted it again in YSR thread. :rotfl:

[music man]

I dunno whether this rip off is already mentioned here or not....

Unnakenna Naan from Kadhalil Vizhunthen is a complete rip off from Rihaana's Unfaithful.....Completely shocking.... :shock:

[Yathu]

I dunno whether this rip off is already mentioned here or not....

Unnakenna Naan from Kadhalil Vizhunthen is a complete rip off from Rihaana's Unfaithful.....Completely shocking.... :shock:

:lol: Yeah, same music, same tune, SAME EVERYTHING.

Vijay Antony is shameless. :|

[Kumarappa]

I dunno whether this rip off is already mentioned here or not....

Unnakenna Naan from Kadhalil Vizhunthen is a complete rip off from Rihaana's Unfaithful.....Completely shocking.... :shock:

:lol: Yeah, same music, same tune, SAME EVERYTHING.

Vijay Antony is shameless. :|

Yes, it is rip, but don't blame Vijay Antony. Though he is the MD of the film, this song is by PV Prasath, the Director of the film


Unakena naan [Film: Kaadhalil Vizhundhen (2007)] <TC>
Composer: PV Prasath (Vijay Antony is the composer of the soundtrack, but not this particular song)
Direct and unabashed lift from Rihanna's 'Unfaithful' from her 2006 album, 'A girl like me'
Listen to Unakena naan | Unfaithful
The rip is shocking to say the least - almost as if Prasath got Rihanna's vocals removed and added a Tamil layer to it. Prasath happens to be the film's director too!

See here: http://www.itwofs.com/tamil-others.html

[kham]

Guys
they wud have got the license from Rihanna to use her song...
There is nothing wrong in it...
As Chaiyya Chaiyya n several our songs have been used in Hollywood movies...

[inetk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o

Reminds anyone of anything?

[rajasaranam]

Remo's Version of the Nepali folk tune
http://www.esnips.com/doc/2b1b12cb-4bc3-498f-8622-86904ca7423c/The-Flute-Song---Remo
Raaja's Version of the same tune.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8pag0RQxGI

The nagging thought for me is whether Raaja heard it from Remo's album 'O meri Munni' or did he actually hear the original tune somewhere :?

[vasanth2006]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o

Reminds anyone of anything?

It reminds me the saranam of ayirathil oruvan from iruvar.... :roll:

[inetk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o

Reminds anyone of anything?

It reminds me the saranam of ayirathil oruvan from iruvar.... :roll:

Interesting! Let's see others' opinions too! Else, just head to http://www.itwofs.com/ to know what I think. I don't want to influence anyone's thinking when they listen to this - that's why I don't want to post it directly.

[thamizhvaanan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o

Reminds anyone of anything?

It reminds me the saranam of ayirathil oruvan from iruvar.... :roll:

Interesting! Let's see others' opinions too! Else, just head to http://www.itwofs.com/ to know what I think. I don't want to influence anyone's thinking when they listen to this - that's why I don't want to post it directly.

First, I thought its not even close to be called a coincidence. On second hearing, eventhough it sounds similar I feel its a very common microtune. I guess if you play it on piano it might sound similar to Chariots of fire also (?). It is also a common melody in guitar solos I think.. I cant remember any particular song though.

In short... I think it doesnt need an entry :roll:

[Kumarappa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o

Reminds anyone of anything?

It reminds me the saranam of ayirathil oruvan from iruvar.... :roll:

Interesting! Let's see others' opinions too! Else, just head to http://www.itwofs.com/ to know what I think. I don't want to influence anyone's thinking when they listen to this - that's why I don't want to post it directly.

First, I thought its not even close to be called a coincidence. On second hearing, eventhough it sounds similar I feel its a very common microtune. I guess if you play it on piano it might sound similar to Chariots of fire also (?). It is also a common melody in guitar solos I think.. I cant remember any particular song though.

In short... I think it doesnt need an entry :roll:

The tune is "just" an arohana and avarohana (so called in carnatic music, don't know how it's called in english) of four notes which is often used. I think I heard in an ad too. It is very common and I don't think it can be called a lift.

[viraajan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o

Reminds anyone of anything?

Karthik, Yes i does look similar, especially the first four lines of Dosthu and the rhythm too. But i really don't know whether to call this a coincidence or lifted.
IMHO, Tune of dosthu song is not something very great, a simple tune hummable tune. Do you think this tune really needs inspiration. So this must be coincidence :D

[kamarajc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o

Reminds anyone of anything?

Karthik, Yes i does look similar, especially the first four lines of Dosthu and the rhythm too. But i really don't know whether to call this a coincidence or lifted.
IMHO, Tune of dosthu song is not something very great, a simple tune hummable tune. Do you think this tune really needs inspiration. So this must be coincidence :D

Super Viraajan.. sila samayam nallaa thaan blog ezhudhureenga.. adhai vida romba nallaave HJ-vai criticize panni sandhoshappadureenga..

Aanaa.. unga judgement irukke... chance-ae illa.. hereafter, if the tune is simple and hummable... let us assume that the song had no copies, not even inspirations. It is sheer coincidence. Indha yardstick-a marandhu engeyum tholaichudaadheenga... please keep it safe. I only wish that you use the same yardstick for others' songs also.

[thamizhvaanan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o

Reminds anyone of anything?

It reminds me the saranam of ayirathil oruvan from iruvar.... :roll:

Interesting! Let's see others' opinions too! Else, just head to http://www.itwofs.com/ to know what I think. I don't want to influence anyone's thinking when they listen to this - that's why I don't want to post it directly.

First, I thought its not even close to be called a coincidence. On second hearing, eventhough it sounds similar I feel its a very common microtune. I guess if you play it on piano it might sound similar to Chariots of fire also (?). It is also a common melody in guitar solos I think.. I cant remember any particular song though.

In short... I think it doesnt need an entry :roll:

The tune is "just" an arohana and avarohana (so called in carnatic music, don't know how it's called in english) of four notes which is often used. I think I heard in an ad too. It is very common and I don't think it can be called a lift.

Yes.. I agree with you eventhough I am not qualified to pass judgement on musical terms, I would assume it to be right :P

[viraajan]

Super Viraajan.. sila samayam nallaa thaan blog ezhudhureenga.. adhai vida romba nallaave HJ-vai criticize panni sandhoshappadureenga..

Aanaa.. unga judgement irukke... chance-ae illa.. hereafter, if the tune is simple and hummable... let us assume that the song had no copies, not even inspirations. It is sheer coincidence. Indha yardstick-a marandhu engeyum tholaichudaadheenga... please keep it safe. I only wish that you use the same yardstick for others' songs also.

KAMARAJ
post-a ozhunga padinga...
i haven't declared that d dosthu song is original. have i?
karthik-oda opiniona avar kitta ketten. neanga yen mookka nozhaikareenga...

betw, HJ-va edhukku inga izhukkareenga, avar than padathukku padam anga inga kaiya vaikkararu. VA-la than konjam nalla potturukkaru nu sandhosha patten. but adhulaiyum mundhinam inspired nu pesikaranga. am yet to listen to george michael's track. also, where did i criticize HJ for a coincidence?
padathukku padam he is copying. but of late yuvan is doin away wit lifts. very very few of his recent compositions had lifts. so we can trust him (atleast till someone comes wit a new finding).
only his recent saroja had two inspired works. one is cheeky and the other his this dosthu.

[SoftSword]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o

Reminds anyone of anything?

It reminds me the saranam of ayirathil oruvan from iruvar.... :roll:

u hit the nail right!!

[kingvj]

For some reason, to me, "venmaegam" from Yaaradi Nee Mohini sounds similar to "Kaadhal vaiththu" from Deepavali in the starting lines.

[MumbaiRamki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o

Reminds anyone of anything?

It reminds me the saranam of ayirathil oruvan from iruvar.... :roll:

Interesting! Let's see others' opinions too! Else, just head to http://www.itwofs.com/ to know what I think. I don't want to influence anyone's thinking when they listen to this - that's why I don't want to post it directly.

Karthik , You joined the hub on 26 dec ,2004!!!!!!!

BTW , where have you mentioned about this in ur website ?

[inetk]

Yen Ramki, naan 2004'la serakoodaadha? Or was the multiple exclamation added to denote that we joined the hub on the same day?

This one's listed in the index page now - will move it to coincidences soon.

[Vysar]

IRs own brother breaks the secret

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2008/october/101008b.asp

[kham]

IRs own brother breaks the secret

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2008/october/101008b.asp

Ha ha... Finally the bitter truth is coming out, like da States Petroscam...

[sarna_blr]

IRs own brother breaks the secret

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2008/october/101008b.asp

யுவன் சங்கர்ராஜா, கார்த்திக் ராஜா ஆகிய ராஜாவின் வாரிசுகளும், வெங்கட் பிரபு, பிரேம்ஜி, ஆகிய கங்கை அமரன் வாரிசுகளும் ஒண்ணு மண்ணா இருந்தாலும், தந்தை குலங்களுக்குள் ஏற்பட்ட விரிசல் இன்னும் சரி செய்யப்படவில்லை. குடும்ப விழாக்களில் மிகவும் அரிதாக சந்தித்துக் கொள்வதோடு சரி. மற்றபடி பேச்சு வார்த்தை அவ்வளவாக இல்லை என்கிறார்கள். இந்த நிலையில்தான் அமரனின் பேச்சில், அளவுகடந்த ஊசிக்குத்தல்!

idhu Ganga-Amaranukku theriyumaa :rotfl: :rotfl:

[baba88]

What does he say ? Pls translate

[dinesh2002]

What does he say ? Pls translate

yes please... :)

[Plum]

karthik, hint hint: You are the copy-investigation-tsunami!

[MADDY]

What does he say ? Pls translate

yes please... :)

it quotes gangai amaran as saying "MSV is our property........we have the right to steal his tunes.......we have been surviving on stolen tunes from MSV..........IR's 100 of tunes have been stolen from MSV..........raaja is a jack in doing this........

it also says though U1,KR, Premji, VP share very good relationship, the differences in father generation is still predominant.....raaja-amaran meet occasionally in family functions, thats all.......

i dunno from where people dig up such bullsh** .......even if gangai amaran had said it - its a nice comedy......-

[SoftSword]

anegama yaro kelappi vitrukkanga.... gangai amaran would not hav told it... and even if he had, it wont be a complete truth... Illayaraja is more talented than being just intelligent...

[baba88]

Saw in the ARR Group that they found another inspiration of Harris Jeyaraj in Vaaranam Aayiram. Nenjukkul Peidhidum song is said to be inspired by New York Nagaram.

[viraajan]

Saw in the ARR Group that they found another inspiration of Harris Jeyaraj in Vaaranam Aayiram. Nenjukkul Peidhidum song is said to be inspired by New York Nagaram.

ushhaabbbaaa.... mudiyala.... i do not find any similarity between these two songs....
Can you tell me which part of the song is inspired :roll: :lol:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

interesting article

http://vivasaayi.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-music-directors-survive.html


* இசையமைப்பாளர்கள் Copy அடிப்பது எப்படி?

கொஞ்ச காலம் இந்தத் துறையில் இருந்ததால எனக்கு கொஞ்சம் இதைப் பத்தி தெரிஞ்சி வெச்சிருந்தேன்.

இசையமைப்பாளருங்க எல்லாம் முழுமையான இசை தெரிஞ்சவங்கன்னு சொல்ல முடியாது. அதாவது எல்லா வாத்தியத்துக்கும் Notes எழுதி குடுக்க. கார்த்திக் ராஜாவுக்குதான் தமிழ்ல அதிகமான வாத்தியத்துக்கு குறிப்பு(Notes) எழுதித்தர முடியும். இசையமைப்பாளருங்களே குறிப்ப எழுதிக் குடுத்தாதான் அவுங்க அனுபவிச்ச் உணர்வு கிடைக்கும்.

சில இசையமைப்பாளருங்க Sound Engineering பின்புலத்துல இருந்து வந்தவங்க. உதாரணம் ஆதித்யன், இமான். இவுங்களுக்குத்தான் இந்த மாதிரி காப்பி விளையாட்ட விவரமா பண்ணத்தெரியும். Sound Eng இல்லாட்டி காப்பி அடிக்கிறது 'ஈ அடிச்சான் காப்பி' மாதிரி ஆகிரும். அதுக்கு உதாரணம் தேவா. அப்படியே சுட்டுப் போடுறது. சரி, எப்படி எல்லாம் மெட்டுக்களைச் சுடுவாங்க (என் அறிவுக்கு எட்டிய வரையில)

* பழைய பாட்டுக்களை கேட்டு அப்படியே சரணத்தை பல்லவியா போடுறது(Vice Versa). இதுக்கு காரணம் தமிழ் Nativity கெடைக்கும்னு சொல்லிக்கிறது (திருடா திருடி- வண்டார் குழலி)
* ஆங்கிலப் பாட்டுக்களை கேட்டு அப்படியே தமிழ்ல சுட்டுப்போடுறது. ஆதாரத்தோட கேட்டா Inspirationனு சொல்லிடறது, இது பக்கா குழந்தைத் தனம்(முகவரி- ஆண்டே நூற்றாண்டே..)
* இதுக்கு மேல ஒரு புத்திசாலித்தனம் இருக்கு. அதாவது ஸ்பானிஸ், சீனா, அல்ஜீரியா, இப்படி நம்ம ஊர் மக்கள் கேட்காத பாட்டுக்களை சுட்டுத்தர்றது. இதுக்கு ஒரு தனி கலை வேணும். இது பெரும்பாலும் உதவியாளருங்கத்தான் பண்ணுவாங்க. சீக்கிரம் பண்ணிடலாம், காசும்தான். நான் இதுல செம கில்லாடி, பல பாட்டுக்களை அள்ளித்தந்திருக்கேன். MP3 தேட மட்டும் திறமை வேணும். நாம தான் கூகிளு, யாஹூ, அல்டாவிஸ்டா எல்லாத்துலேயும் U டர்ன் அடிச்சவங்களாச்சே. FYI, altavista is the best of mp3 search.
* அடுத்தது உதவியாளருங்ககிட்டே இருந்து வாங்கிக்கிறது/புடிங்கிக்கிறது. இதுதான் நம்ம ஊர்ல ஜாஸ்தி, காரணம் புதுசாவும் இருக்கும், மாட்டிக்கவும் மாட்டோம். என்ன அந்த நாசமா போன மெட்டு போட்டவங்களுக்கு கொஞ்சம் பணம் தரனும், யார்கிட்டேயும் சொல்லிடாம பார்த்துக்கனும். (ஹாரிஸ் உருவான காரணம் இது)
* Freelanceஆ தரவங்க கிட்ட காசு குடுத்து வாங்கிக்கிறது. அதாவது ஒரு குப்பன் நல்ல மெட்டு வெச்சிருந்தாருன்னா 5 ஆயிரத்தை குடுத்து வாங்கிக்கிறது. அவ்ளோதான். குப்பனும் பேச முடியாது, copy rights பிரச்சினையுமில்ல. இதுல காசு குடுக்காம ஏமாத்தினா சங்கர்(கணேஸ்) மாதிரி சில சம்பவங்கள் நடக்கும், கலீஜ் கூட ஆவும், குப்பனுக்கு காசு குடுக்கலைன்னா கோவம் வரத்தானே செய்யும்?
* இப்போ Sound Eng வெச்சிகிட்டே மெட்டு போடுறது. அதாவது ஒரு பாட்டை எடுத்து ரிவர்ஸுல ஒட விடறது, அப்புறமா ஒட்டு போட்டு ரெடி பண்ணிட வேண்டியது. இது ரொம்ப நல்லா வர மேட்டரு. அதான் Sound Eng சீக்கிரமா இசையமைப்பாளருங்க ஆகுற ரகசியம். (முத்து-ஒருவன் ஒருவன் முதலாளி- சன் டிவி theme music , relatedஆம். பசங்க சொன்னாங்க)
* கடைசியா இருக்கிறது ரொம்பச் சுலபம், வேத்து மொழியில ஹிட் ஆன பாட்டுகளோட மெட்டை இங்கே போட்டுக்கிறது. Globalisationல சீக்கிரம் கண்டு புடிச்சிடறாங்க.

இது எல்லாம் நான் அங்கன இருக்கும் போது இருந்துச்சு. Technology has improved very much இல்லீங்களா. உங்களுக்கு இது மாதிரி் ஏதாவது தெரிஞ்சா சொல்லிட்டுப் போங்க.

விதைச்சது ILA @ Thursday, October 16, 2008

[vasanth2006]

* அடுத்தது உதவியாளருங்ககிட்டே இருந்து வாங்கிக்கிறது/புடிங்கிக்கிறது. இதுதான் நம்ம ஊர்ல ஜாஸ்தி, காரணம் புதுசாவும் இருக்கும், மாட்டிக்கவும் மாட்டோம். என்ன அந்த நாசமா போன மெட்டு போட்டவங்களுக்கு கொஞ்சம் பணம் தரனும், யார்கிட்டேயும் சொல்லிடாம பார்த்துக்கனும். (ஹாரிஸ் உருவான காரணம் இது)


:roll: :confused2:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

there are many proxies in TFM market. both for lyrics and tunes. MDs simply buy tunes from them for flat 5 K or 10K. this is happenning for quite long time. the author says 2 more things
1.shankar (ganes) got accidented becos of he not paying to an proxy, then....
2. Harris is a born MD of that proxy tune source

[K]

from

[http://vivasaayi.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-music-directors-survive.html

keyven said...
Well.. I have also worked with leading music directors of south and north. What vivasayi says is true.. I have a grade 8 in piano (read and write western notations), 7 years of carnatic music training. Still every music director has key persons called arrangers who do 80% of the job for a song. ARR has Ranjit Barot, Srinivas, Joshua Sridhar, (I was once), and many more .. Harris Jeyraj is the copy king and he picks his stuff from Jesus calls gospels.. so his songs sense that moodiness in his style. Karthik Raja is more like his father but he knows both western and classical, not as creative as his brother/IR. Vidyasagar use to listen a lot of mediterranian songs, Deva & co on Malaysian, Indonesian songs, ARR on african and Chinese stuff... SA Rajkumar steal his own songs :))

Many more to say... Nice blog..]

[Movies]

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar,

Was the writer trying to imply that HJ uses amateur composer's tunes or was he stating HJ got fed up of his hit tunes being used by MD's ( imply ARR) so he decided to be a MD himself?????

And the Muthu song being re engineered from SUN TV music??? Really... the sun theme wasn't great in the first place!

[MADDY]

from

[http://vivasaayi.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-music-directors-survive.html

keyven said...
Well.. I have also worked with leading music directors of south and north. What vivasayi says is true.. I have a grade 8 in piano (read and write western notations), 7 years of carnatic music training. Still every music director has key persons called arrangers who do 80% of the job for a song. ARR has Ranjit Barot, Srinivas, Joshua Sridhar, (I was once), and many more .. Harris Jeyraj is the copy king and he picks his stuff from Jesus calls gospels.. so his songs sense that moodiness in his style. Karthik Raja is more like his father but he knows both western and classical, not as creative as his brother/IR. Vidyasagar use to listen a lot of mediterranian songs, Deva & co on Malaysian, Indonesian songs, ARR on african and Chinese stuff... SA Rajkumar steal his own songs :))

Many more to say... Nice blog..]

yaaru keyven :roll: i have cassettes and CDs of almost all ARR albums, i have never seen this name........

reg HJ and ranjit bharot's contri in ARR music as per sakala's link, seriously, ARR has given his best after HJ's exit - KKS, Ada, Yuvraaj 8-) .........also, did ARR music have any gospel influence??? :huh: adhu eppadi, HJ was creative head behind ARR's music but when he became a independent MD, he started buying tunes :lol2: .........en??? u1-sankar-rasa-kku rival aana piragu dhaan avara accuse pannuveengala :lol2:

and dont we know ranjit's sound - in VIP :huh: ........dont u guys think ARR has departed from that sound long back.........


முத்து-ஒருவன் ஒருவன் முதலாளி- சன் டிவி theme music , relatedஆம். பசங்க சொன்னாங்க

pasanga sonnangalaam :lol: wanna believe such articles :roll: better comedy than gangai amaran article :)

[dinesh2002]

from

[http://vivasaayi.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-music-directors-survive.html

keyven said...
Well.. I have also worked with leading music directors of south and north. What vivasayi says is true.. I have a grade 8 in piano (read and write western notations), 7 years of carnatic music training. Still every music director has key persons called arrangers who do 80% of the job for a song. ARR has Ranjit Barot, Srinivas, Joshua Sridhar, (I was once), and many more .. Harris Jeyraj is the copy king and he picks his stuff from Jesus calls gospels.. so his songs sense that moodiness in his style. Karthik Raja is more like his father but he knows both western and classical, not as creative as his brother/IR. Vidyasagar use to listen a lot of mediterranian songs, Deva & co on Malaysian, Indonesian songs, ARR on african and Chinese stuff... SA Rajkumar steal his own songs :))

Many more to say... Nice blog..]

who worked for ARR before???

[kingvj]

Perarasuvin "Pazhani".. oru "Here Comes The Hotstepper" range-ku hit aaga vendiyadhu..! Pinna...? Andha famous "na nananana" humming-a appadiye adichurukkaar namma isaikkadavul Srikanth Deva..! :evil: :evil: :evil:

[A.ANAND]

* அடுத்தது உதவியாளருங்ககிட்டே இருந்து வாங்கிக்கிறது/புடிங்கிக்கிறது. இதுதான் நம்ம ஊர்ல ஜாஸ்தி, காரணம் புதுசாவும் இருக்கும், மாட்டிக்கவும் மாட்டோம். என்ன அந்த நாசமா போன மெட்டு போட்டவங்களுக்கு கொஞ்சம் பணம் தரனும், யார்கிட்டேயும் சொல்லிடாம பார்த்துக்கனும். (ஹாரிஸ் உருவான காரணம் இது
ethavathu logic irukka??appdi hj kitta irunthu than arr tune vaanginaal,maniratnam,shankar,subash ghai,kathir ellam hj kittaye poga venndiyathu thane,yen mendum mendum rahman kitta varanum.pina yen avara arimugam senja gautham menon rahman oda 'chennyil oru mazaikalam pannum.

ethanai rahman tune,english album,kristian devotional album onnu kuda miccham vekkama adikiravakitta irunthu than rahman tune vaanga porara??[ithala harris uruvana kathai veru..thuuuuh...]

[viraajan]

Anand,

Avar generalla solraru.
Andha madiri ella padathukkum pannanum-nu avasiyam illaye. 10 song-la 1 or 2 songs asst.MDs kitterndhu eduthurukkalam illaya.

[A.ANAND]

yuvan first tune,programing,mixing,okestration solo-va pannathe 'saroja'movie ikku mattum thane! :banghead: itha ennga poi solla! :lol: intha news-sa premji amaran than vayala sonna unmai!

onnu mattum nalla puriyuthu intha artical-la irunthu,raja family mattumthan music ellam therinjavangga[coffee thavira ethum theriyathu],mattavangga ellam adi 'muttalu' :banghead: :poke:

[SoftSword]

* அடுத்தது உதவியாளருங்ககிட்டே இருந்து வாங்கிக்கிறது/புடிங்கிக்கிறது. இதுதான் நம்ம ஊர்ல ஜாஸ்தி, காரணம் புதுசாவும் இருக்கும், மாட்டிக்கவும் மாட்டோம். என்ன அந்த நாசமா போன மெட்டு போட்டவங்களுக்கு கொஞ்சம் பணம் தரனும், யார்கிட்டேயும் சொல்லிடாம பார்த்துக்கனும். (ஹாரிஸ் உருவான காரணம் இது
ethavathu logic irukka??appdi hj kitta irunthu than arr tune vaanginaal,maniratnam,shankar,subash ghai,kathir ellam hj kittaye poga venndiyathu thane,yen mendum mendum rahman kitta varanum.pina yen avara arimugam senja gautham menon rahman oda 'chennyil oru mazaikalam pannum.

ethanai rahman tune,english album,kristian devotional album onnu kuda miccham vekkama adikiravakitta irunthu than rahman tune vaanga porara??[ithala harris uruvana kathai veru..thuuuuh...]

andha pointku arttham vera...
harris uruvaana kadhai idhu means... he use to get tunes from his assistants... and this is how harris came up in tfm... this is wat that point explains....

[MADDY]

Anand,

Avar generalla solraru.
Andha madiri ella padathukkum pannanum-nu avasiyam illaye. 10 song-la 1 or 2 songs asst.MDs kitterndhu eduthurukkalam illaya.

look at the tone of the article - "how MDs survive " :evil: .......all those who couldnt make it big make such stupid remarks :x

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

keyven said...

Still every music director has key persons called arrangers who do 80% of the job for a song. ARR has Ranjit Barot, Srinivas, Joshua Sridhar, (I was once), and many more ..

i think this idiot forgot to mention that the 80% job he refers to is of conducting, recording and arranging ect.

and that main author ties sun tv meejik and muthu intro music, basically i dont see a link itself...i clearly remember sun tv meejik. apart, Ir and ARR are the MOST pure composers engira unmayai entha kombanum yaarukkum prove pannavendiathillai.

and that IR family purity ellaam - Youvan's straight lifts sonna intha author surundu poiduvaaru!!!! we can strongly keep his "MD's insider tekniks" only for yuvan, vidhyasagar, HJ and srikanth deva likes. simply, anyone but not IR and ARR :D

[thamizhvaanan]

keyven said...

Still every music director has key persons called arrangers who do 80% of the job for a song. ARR has Ranjit Barot, Srinivas, Joshua Sridhar, (I was once), and many more ..

i think this idiot forgot to mention that the 80% job he refers to is of conducting, recording and arranging ect.
Exactly, these guys are intentionally twisting the facts at the same time being diplomatically true. He was telling that MD's lift tunes from alla kai's and as if its a seperate side note, he would mention that ARR had a lot of guys doing 80% of the work for him. Has any of these so called arrangers claimed ownership of any of ARR's work, more possible because he is such a huge figure and would generate much more interest than saying say somebody like Shankar Ganesh flicked this tune from me.

And his mandavalams gets exposed when he mentions YSR is creative.. :rotfl: ... Dude, you have mentioned the name in the wrong sentence!!!

cleary a case of IR family jingu chakku.. can be dismissed without any afterthought :irked:

[Plum]

Edhu epapdiyo, "SAR steals from his own tunes". This line split me in laughter. Indha oru lineukkaga we can forgive his other ularals :-)

[kingvj]

Oru maasama yaarum copy adikkaliyaa? :D

[somusic]

Oh kingvj - i liked ur comment..........

Oru maasama yaarum copy adikkaliyaa? :lol: :lol: .....


No man it happens always......not only here but everywhere........

Varanam aariyam - Adiye kolluthey

copied or inspired from AC/DC Love Bomb ,,,,

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=qRpwoaJhY2A

but VA songs r good and fresh....but not the best in decade (Kakkha Kakkha scores more).....

Aananda thandavam..........Kalil aadum poovee----inspired from hindi song........
Also in laadam movie one song is inspired from BEP........will post soon

[kingvj]

:) @ somusic..!

BTW, somehow, I am reminded of the song "malligai malligai pandhaley" from "Arasu darbar" when this "Anjalai" song from "Vaaranam Aayiram" is played on.

[vigneshram]

:) @ somusic..!

BTW, somehow, I am reminded of the song "malligai malligai pandhaley" from "Arasu darbar" when this "Anjalai" song from "Vaaranam Aayiram" is played on.

Also, "Thanni thotti thedi vandha" from "Sindu Bhairavi" comes to my mind

[interz]

Dont know if this has been posted before, but its new to me....

Dost Bada Thostu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ubT7bMyc-E

MAybe this song inpsired him...

[viraajan]

Already discussed Interz :)

[Movies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCmP0EFMlc0&feature=related

Hmmmm... u guys tell me...

[baba88]

What a copy by HJ. That's why he never can't be counted as a good MD.

[Music4Ever]

Movies, what is the Harris song? Then it will be easy to compare.

[viraajan]

Nenjukull peidhidum song :)

[Scale]

[tscii:1fece415e9]Fantastic find Movies & Kewldude, the sentinel. check 7g/mundinam....

Typical HJ inspiration. The opening guitar is pure lift and Hariharan is the coddler again to let loose the inspiration .. For those who couldnt identify it yet here it is
very obvious in the tune and the lyrics.

IN MY DREAMS GOD IS TALKING TO ME - Chorus
nenjukkul peidhidum maamalai - Solo
IN MY DREAMS I AM DOWN ON MY KNEES
Neerukkul mulkidum thaamarai
IN MY DREAMS I AM BEGGING YOU PLEASE
Sattendru maaruthu vaanizhai
LET MY SOUL REST IN PEACE
Pennae un mel pizhai…

The pallavi ends here. An obvious case of effective inspiration.
The list continues :frightened:
Adiye Kolludhe - AC/DC Bomb
Mundinam - George Michaels Faith
now Nenjukkul - In My dreams - Nana (Lovely song :cool2:)

[/tscii:1fece415e9]

[vasanth2006]

The list continues :frightened:
Adiye Kolludhe - AC/DC Bomb
Mundinam - George Michaels Faith
now Nenjukkul - In My dreams - Nana (Lovely song :cool2:)



I love VA album.....I thought VA is exception from HJ's Inspiration/Copy list.....But he proved me wrong....

Neverthless VA is the top contestant for Album of the year....

[sloshed]

[tscii:82072d282e]IN MY DREAMS GOD IS TALKING TO ME - Chorus
nenjukkul peidhidum maamalai - Solo
IN MY DREAMS I AM DOWN ON MY KNEES
Neerukkul mulkidum thaamarai
IN MY DREAMS I AM BEGGING YOU PLEASE
Sattendru maaruthu vaanizhai
LET MY SOUL REST IN PEACE
Pennae un mel pizhai…


.... Why do u just leave it till there.. why dont you write the entire lyrics.... do you want me help you with that??

Ringtone lovers United!!

Ah yes.. I forgot... What a blantant copy..note by note... Mundhinam... every note is copied..not just the guitar peice.. if you do the "soul-searching" you will find it.. People please trust me..its not justthe guitar chords..he has copied the entire song.. please trust me.. pleasee... ARR is the best!![/tscii:82072d282e]

[sloshed]

Now please start voting for Sakkarakatti... thatalbum alone will save the world from economic meltodwn..

please vote for sakkarakatti... sorry yuvan fans... there is nuthing for you this year.. but if you improve your subcription rates.. Saroja may stand a chance.... SakkaraKatti for album of the year!!! Hail ARR and Hail Ringtones!!

[Music4Ever]

I feel it is a stretch to call nenjukkul peidhidum a lift.

In fact only the bit

Nee nindra idam nindral vilai eri pogadho
Nee sellum vazhi ellam pani katti aagadho

is clearly reminicent of some old IR song. But, then, who is not inspired by MSV or IR?

[sloshed]

M4E... dont even bother dude.. for folks who are hell bent on slanting someone even if he comes up with good stuff...you cant empathize with them... Just call it a lift and make them happy...and please make sure you end it with "ARR the best"

[Movies]

Sloshed, u think ur a sarcastic tweet don't you?
If u haven't paid attention to the topic it is to discuss copies in TFM.

[sloshed]

Yes Movies.. I am the best as it could get... I very well know its for copies.. and thats why I am wondering ??

Every "Scale" is copied .... and blantantly lifted ... happy??

[Scale]

I expected you :rotfl: so you agree to the four lines and the guitar chords have a striking similarity. In any case of inspiration or lifts it is sufficient if the similarity continues 15 seconds or 3 - 4 lines of tune structure.

virrajan,

No doubt about. VA has got very good songs, comely packed. Originality is the most important than anything else for even a nomination.

OMG now listen to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIc-9UjZU1E) I would even skip this, sloshed but not Mundinam. Check this 7g link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe6ivaTl-uQ&feature=related)

[sloshed]

Your 4 lines ??? I guess you didnt catch me there....The opeing guitar is the only place where its even remotely inspired... to call Nejukul a lift??... only you can do it....

Mundhinam is a song with completely different tune with Faith chords.... can i put it that way ??

[sloshed]

Btw.. you can trust me on the guitar.. I am kind good at that...

[crajkumar_be]

The opening guitar riffs in "nenjukkul" is from "Jessica", by Allman Brothers Band

[Scale]

All I am listing are the case to case of inspirations but not blatant lifts. Whereas Mundinam/adiye kolludhe guitar chords are very much intentionally expended.

Now answer me this why does HJ alone has so much inspirations when compared to others? Shud I mention Karu Karu - westlife & June ponal - All rise blues. :lol2:

>>>guitar.. I am kind good at that...<<

Glad to know that.

Did anyone talk about sakkarakatti here? :huh:

[sloshed]

Scale....
There is nuthing wrong by being ispired. There are many songs of IR which have ispired from hindi...but he spins it in such a way that it sounds better than the original..Mundinam is a classic case..

The same was the case of "Taxi Taxi " song.. will it take thousand listens to call it inspired/lift ..NO he completely spins a new song out of regaetton beats..

I dont call HJ as an original .. but he consistently gives better out put than others.. Similarly I question why is that you guyz get heartaches and spent all your time scrutinizing his songs finding seconds to milliseconds inspirations??
all this structure lift concepts are crap... infact all songs in tamil are structure lifts.. one pallavi and two charanams..So???

[pure bliss]

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=Afmc6FeN-hM&feature=related - kallai matttum kandal's inspiration?

[Movies]

Ok, The ony I didn;t mention the tamil song when I posted the link was so that people can have an unbised view. Clearly the opening Guitar was copied by HJ. As for the rest of the song, I don't think so.
Consistent otput by HJ? well, in the 90's Deva gave us consistent output... find any similarities now?

[viraajan]

I expected you :rotfl: so you agree to the four lines and the guitar chords have a striking similarity. In any case of inspiration or lifts it is sufficient if the similarity continues 15 seconds or 3 - 4 lines of tune structure.

virrajan,

No doubt about. VA has got very good songs, comely packed. Originality is the most important than anything else for even a nomination.


You meant Vasanth I believe!!!

[thamizhvaanan]

The opening guitar riffs in "nenjukkul" is from "Jessica", by Allman Brothers Band

CR,

Guitar strummings are always repeated across diff songs. Not significant IMO.

[Guess_Me]

Consistent otput by HJ? well, in the 90's Deva gave us consistent output...
Back then Backstreet Boys and Dr. Alban gave consistent hits. Their decline really took a toll in Deva's career :D

[crajkumar_be]

The opening guitar riffs in "nenjukkul" is from "Jessica", by Allman Brothers Band

CR,

Guitar strummings are always repeated across diff songs. Not significant IMO.
TV,
I'd made the same point in VA thread in TF section sometime back :)
That post is just an 'academic' note :razz:

[Yathu]

Consistent otput by HJ? well, in the 90's Deva gave us consistent output...
Back then Backstreet Boys and Dr. Alban gave consistent hits. Their decline really took a toll in Deva's career :D

:lol:

He's composing for drama serial title songs now. Just incase anyone was wondering where he'd gotten to. :D

[music man]

One of the most hilarious videos I have ever seen[On Harris Jayaraj]

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=qzajCiQR9x8

[ajaybaskar]

:) @ somusic..!

BTW, somehow, I am reminded of the song "malligai malligai pandhaley" from "Arasu darbar" when this "Anjalai" song from "Vaaranam Aayiram" is played on.

I remember Ooran thottathilae from Veyil when i hear Anjalai..

[thamizhvaanan]

The opening guitar riffs in "nenjukkul" is from "Jessica", by Allman Brothers Band

CR,

Guitar strummings are always repeated across diff songs. Not significant IMO.
TV,
I'd made the same point in VA thread in TF section sometime back :)
That post is just an 'academic' note :razz:

Hehe, I know.. and my response is also a mere academic interference :P

[SoftSword]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TALGiqL800o&eurl=http://arrahmaniac.blogspot.com/search/label/A.R.Rahman&feature=player_embedded

those who watch from the office, make sure u minimise the window while listening to the audio...

[SoftSword]

i felt there are similarites in ARR's Asatthura song from E20U18 and Vidhyasagars "Arjunaru Villu" song from Ghilli...

pallavis in similar style... and the charanams i find a heavy similarity...

could anyone give a listen and let me know...

[ArulprakasH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TALGiqL800o&eurl=http://arrahmaniac.blogspot.com/search/label/A.R.Rahman&feature=player_embedded

those who watch from the office, make sure u minimise the window while listening to the audio...

Serbian singer Jelena Karleusa has used Mayya Mayya from Guru in her album JK Revolution. Like in the Uzbek version by Iroda Dilraz, this song has been rightly credited to A.R.Rahman.

courtesy: arrahmaniac.blogspot.com

[ArulprakasH]

Africavil Appu: Sinnajiru Yaanai
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00023.html

Alaigal Oivathillai: Putham pudhu kaalai
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00030.html

Is Africavil Appu a dubbed movie?

[rajasaranam]

Africavil Appu: Sinnajiru Yaanai
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00023.html

Alaigal Oivathillai: Putham pudhu kaalai
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00030.html

Is Africavil Appu a dubbed movie?

Dubbed from Malayalam or Telugu i believe but composed by Raaja only

[ArulprakasH]

Thanks RS... I heard the song in FM and posted this question in the Film Stats & Assorted queries thread .. Didnt get any response..... :)

[Music4Ever]

Was just listening to Avaaram poovukkukum, a number composed by Vidyasagar in Arai En 305-il kadavul. This song sounds dangerously close to Madura marikozhundu vaasam. Listen to the song fully and it will be clear. In its raw form, without modern musical embellishments, it is just the famed IR number

[dinesh2002]

Did A.R.Rahman copy Mani Sharma??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKNEQmzO4qE&feature=related

Athadu ( dubbed in Tamil as Nandhu and in Malayalam as Target): అతడు) is a 2005 Telugu film produced by Jayabheri Kishore and Murali Mohan and directed by Trivikram Srinivas. The movie stars Mahesh Babu, Trisha Krishnan, Sonu Sood and Prakash Raj. The movie soundtrack was scored by Mani Sharma. The film released on August 10, 2005. It became one of the highest grossers in 2005 in Tollywood. The movie was later dubbed into Malayalam with the title "The Target".

Guru audio was released in 2006.

Please correct me if im wrong, but was shocked to see this.

[littlemaster1982]

Are they referring to 'Barso Re'? Rubbish!!!

[interz]

Its likely the same loop.

Its not just ARR who can afford buying cds with loops which have special rhythms now.

[thamizhvaanan]

Dinesh, why dont u say Rahman copied himself from aadi paaru mangaatha :banghead:

[dinesh2002]

Its something that came up while i was chatting with a fren of mine. He was quite known in Telugu industry. so he came up with this, so i listened, and i did find some similarity in it.

ofcource the loop is there, and singer. normally ARR starts a trend, and never follow them. thats y im shocked.

he should have used a diferent singer or atleast a new loop representing rain drops.....

if HJ was in the subject im sure everyone would have agreed huh.... LOL :lol:

[SoftSword]

yes, this movie nandhu was telecasted in Kalaignar TV yesterday and when i heard this song, i sensed it to be rahmans beat which i have heard very long before...
Then the first thing came to my mind was "aadippaaru mangaatthaa..."

and more, in one of the scenes the background music sounded like an exact rip off of "muthu"... which i guess use to come when they show ponnambalam... my friend caught this resemblence for me...

[dinesh2002]

yes, this movie nandhu was telecasted in Kalaignar TV yesterday and when i heard this song, i sensed it to be rahmans beat which i have heard very long before...
Then the first thing came to my mind was "aadippaaru mangaatthaa..."

and more, in one of the scenes the background music sounded like an exact rip off of "muthu"... which i guess use to come when they show ponnambalam... my friend caught this resemblence for me...

yes, could be high possibilities. Coz its after all by Mani Sharma... :P

Ohh, this movie has a Tamil version as well?? didint know that!!

But nevertheless, its a good song too though.

[music man]

yes, this movie nandhu was telecasted in Kalaignar TV yesterday and when i heard this song, i sensed it to be rahmans beat which i have heard very long before...
Then the first thing came to my mind was "aadippaaru mangaatthaa..."

and more, in one of the scenes the background music sounded like an exact rip off of "muthu"... which i guess use to come when they show ponnambalam... my friend caught this resemblence for me...

yes, could be high possibilities. Coz its after all by Mani Sharma... :P

Ohh, this movie has a Tamil version as well?? didint know that!!

But nevertheless, its a good song too though.



Dinesh...................Hey................Congra ts da...............U got a CD from MAdhushree........U r really lucky.......Hmmmm.......Its really a surprise as a leading playback singer has send her brand new CD to you.....

It means she is following each and every work of you.....Hats off....Enjoy.....Nalla iru thambi..... :2thumbsup: :cry3: :yes: :clap: :2thumbsup:

[dinesh2002]

yes, this movie nandhu was telecasted in Kalaignar TV yesterday and when i heard this song, i sensed it to be rahmans beat which i have heard very long before...
Then the first thing came to my mind was "aadippaaru mangaatthaa..."

and more, in one of the scenes the background music sounded like an exact rip off of "muthu"... which i guess use to come when they show ponnambalam... my friend caught this resemblence for me...

yes, could be high possibilities. Coz its after all by Mani Sharma... :P

Ohh, this movie has a Tamil version as well?? didint know that!!

But nevertheless, its a good song too though.



Dinesh...................Hey................Congra ts da...............U got a CD from MAdhushree........U r really lucky.......Hmmmm.......Its really a surprise as a leading playback singer has send her brand new CD to you.....

It means she is following each and every work of you.....Hats off....Enjoy.....Nalla iru thambi..... :2thumbsup: :cry3: :yes: :clap: :2thumbsup:

Hey man... thanks allot for the warm wishes... i was surprised and glad some 1 wished me :) ...

and thanks for that aanandha kaneer too :D

[vasanth2006]

I came across this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_AmXX5I_EM&feature=channel

I couldn't find similarities for Kangal irnadal :roll: .....but i see the similarities in Al thotta poobathi....

p.s: That ilamai kolam song is one of my fav....

[Renault]

I came across this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_AmXX5I_EM&feature=channel

I couldn't find similarities for Kangal irnadal :roll: .....but i see the similarities in Al thotta poobathi....

p.s: That ilamai kolam song is one of my fav....

Vasanth, no wonder in this... Kangal Irandaal and Chinna Kannan belong to the same raaga Reethigowlai.

The song that stuck my mind on hearing Kangal Irandaal was another IR masterpiece Reethigowlai, viz Thalaiyai Kuniyum Thaamaraiyee . a Raghuvaran film, I guess.

[app_engine]

A couple of weeks back I was listening to the radio station tuned by my son on car (FM 96.3 Detroit) and an old song got played.

The tune was exact replica of the following portion of an old TF song :

"நான் தன்னந்தனிக்காட்டு ராஜா
என் தோட்டத்தில் எத்தனை ரோஜா
நான் தீராத விளையாட்டுப்பிள்ளை
என் தொட்டிலில் எத்தனை முல்லை, முல்லை"

(Don't remember the movie's name, a well-known TMS song; also could not get the title of the western song played on radio)

[viraajan]

Folks,

The following pieces of music strongly remind me of the songs/music in Tamil Fill. I've found out the music that sounds similar to the 1st one given below. The second one strongly reminds me of a tamil song/music. Can someone please help me out!

1. Is this inspired one or just a coincidence? (Of course the duration is too short)

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/17/1915834/2%20Hrt.mp3

2. This one I'm not able to find out. Pls listen to this and let me know if it rings a bell to you.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/17/1915834/Smr%20Rd.mp3

Thanks
VR :)

[SoftSword]

Folks,

The following pieces of music strongly remind me of the songs/music in Tamil Fill. I've found out the music that sounds similar to the 1st one given below. The second one strongly reminds me of a tamil song/music which is presently alluding me. Can someone please help me out!

1. Is this inspired one or just a coincidence? (Of course the duration is too short)

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/17/1915834/2%20Hrt.mp3

2. This one I'm not able to find out. Pls listen to this and let me know if it rings a bell to you.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/17/1915834/Smr%20Rd.mp3

Thanks
VR :)
which one do u think is the first one similar to...

[viraajan]

Folks,

The following pieces of music strongly remind me of the songs/music in Tamil Fill. I've found out the music that sounds similar to the 1st one given below. The second one strongly reminds me of a tamil song/music. Can someone please help me out!

1. Is this inspired one or just a coincidence? (Of course the duration is too short)

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/17/1915834/2%20Hrt.mp3

2. This one I'm not able to find out. Pls listen to this and let me know if it rings a bell to you.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/17/1915834/Smr%20Rd.mp3

Thanks
VR :)
which one do u think is the first one similar to...

7G Theme :?

[SoftSword]

ya... even i presumed the same...
but the second one... even i dont hav any clue...

[littlemaster1982]

Folks,

The following pieces of music strongly remind me of the songs/music in Tamil Fill. I've found out the music that sounds similar to the 1st one given below. The second one strongly reminds me of a tamil song/music. Can someone please help me out!

1. Is this inspired one or just a coincidence? (Of course the duration is too short)

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/17/1915834/2%20Hrt.mp3

2. This one I'm not able to find out. Pls listen to this and let me know if it rings a bell to you.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/17/1915834/Smr%20Rd.mp3

Thanks
VR :)
which one do u think is the first one similar to...

7G Theme :?

Yeah, it's quite close to 7G theme. Viraajan, what's the name of the original?

[viraajan]

Yeah.. Sorry forgot to mention...

Original track name is "Two Hearts" from the OST of the movie Kukijiro (Nandhala in Tamil :wink: )

The second track I've given is also from the same OST :)

[littlemaster1982]

Oh OK. And which song is close to the second track in your post :roll:

[viraajan]

Oh OK. And which song is close to the second track in your post :roll:

adhu enakke theriyala master.... but romba familiar tune... evvalovo yosichu pathen... couldn't get it.... that why posted here... :roll: :?

[natha1729]

That will be disappointing. It is a song I think highly of and a beautiful children's song.


A couple of weeks back I was listening to the radio station tuned by my son on car (FM 96.3 Detroit) and an old song got played.

The tune was exact replica of the following portion of an old TF song :

"நான் தன்னந்தனிக்காட்டு ராஜா
என் தோட்டத்தில் எத்தனை ரோஜா
நான் தீராத விளையாட்டுப்பிள்ளை
என் தொட்டிலில் எத்தனை முல்லை, முல்லை"

(Don't remember the movie's name, a well-known TMS song; also could not get the title of the western song played on radio)

[rajasaranam]

Folks,

The following pieces of music strongly remind me of the songs/music in Tamil Fill. I've found out the music that sounds similar to the 1st one given below. The second one strongly reminds me of a tamil song/music. Can someone please help me out!

1. Is this inspired one or just a coincidence? (Of course the duration is too short)

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/17/1915834/2%20Hrt.mp3

2. This one I'm not able to find out. Pls listen to this and let me know if it rings a bell to you.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/17/1915834/Smr%20Rd.mp3

Thanks
VR :)
which one do u think is the first one similar to...

7G Theme :?

Yeah, it's quite close to 7G theme. Viraajan, what's the name of the original?

The original would be Johnny theme music (Post No. 7) (http://www.itwofs.com/tamil-yuvan.html) composed by Raaja. Its surpirsing that a Japanese composer has adapted that theme into 'Kikujuro' :)
Mysskin should've known this and would have realised the greatness of Raaja, thats why he chose Raaja as composer for the movie 'Nandalala' Adapted from 'Kikujuro' :D

[MrJudge]

The original would be Johnny theme music (Post No. 7) (http://www.itwofs.com/tamil-yuvan.html) composed by Raaja. Its surpirsing that a Japanese composer has adapted that theme into 'Kikujuro' :)
Mysskin should've known this and would have realised the greatness of Raaja, thats why he chose Raaja as composer for the movie 'Nandalala' Adapted from 'Kikujuro' :D

Do you seriously think Mysskin needs a Kikujiro to realize IR's potential in the background score? Come on, Mysskin is a hardcore IR fan, no IR fan will see somewhere else to relish his scores.

[Scale]

Can you guys spot this?

Rock Musical Bleach - Dark of the Bleeding Moon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTLeHJhc6A)

[inetk]

Sounds real good! What does it sound like? I'm curious!

[Scale]

[tscii:4417b79d35]I am also not very sure That’s why I asked it. But I tried to figure out somehow at long last.

Check Bleach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach_manga) a Japanese comic serires with lots of musicals since 2001. The above link is a beautiful adaption of Rock Music in to Japanese stage play released in 2006. * The prelude 0.15-0.27 and chorus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTLeHJhc6A) is clear adaption of WOHE (2003) – Warriors in peace 0-0.23 and so 0.54 58 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlslcqACjGk&feature=related). The interesting thing is how ARR brilliantly blends rock into a chinese version with Czech orchestra @2.10 whereas bleach have renowned-roxette the look(1989) in female Rukia vocals at 0.34 end part. Bombay Dreams (2002) Salam bombay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmnugMwoP1Q&feature=related) has also a similar prelude at a slightly different tempo. ARR has given a desi feel to it!

I am listening to bleach series and in search of the original song (if so any) and this is a absolutely scintillant journey. Guess what happened after doing some brainstorming techniques I ended up singing moho siyaan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adb1exWsoSA) (2003-Chinese/gibberish) & oru mugamo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZv_ZTlbtoo) (rock – roxette the look) with a slightly different tempo like rukia. Incredible! Now I wonder why HJ(oru mugamo - 2007 or could be earlier due to the delay) have to rehash ditto the same version as roxette the look

I have given clear indication of the year of release of each soundtrack and nothing downright plagiarism. andha cartoona paarthathum enakku oru mild doubt. Thats why I asked. And "my god: what a Saamaan! Sivalaperi pandi in cartoon and rock musical stage play. Thats funny & interesting![/tscii:4417b79d35]

[Scale]

0.56 -0.17 ah..ahhh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTLeHJhc6A) ...

nagarum neruppai kozhundhu vetterindean...
aNaindha pinbhum...analin maelirundean ....
kaalaipaniyaaga yeNNai vaarikondaay (elec.. sounds replaced) ah... ah....

1.18 onwards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTLeHJhc6A)
naeram kooda yedhiri aagivida...
yughaNgaL aaga vaedam maarivida...
aNaththu kondaayae...pinbhu yaenoa sendraay (elec.sounds again) paused... Gin

now WOHE it is slightly different ----
dharti ki is aangan ko
khoon se na rang daman ko
hona tha jo vo ho chuka (elec sounds..)

"hota hai khud waqt dawa
thikhi yaaden bhool hi ja
aasahkoon mein doobi hai q ye shaam?
---
suraj kal phir ayega
jeevan chalta jayega
pal mein thi aarman ka jahaan
kyunki tu tanha hi nahi hai
sang tere hum
dil ki aakhon se dekhe tujhko humdum
har lamha......."

[crajkumar_be]

Can't find any similarity Scale...

0.56 onwards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adb1exWsoSA) ...

nagarum neruppai kozhundhu vetterindean...
aNaindha pinbhum...analin maelirundean ....
kaalaipaniyaaga yeNNai vaarikondaay (elec.. sounds replaced) ah... ah....

1.18 onwards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTLeHJhc6A)
naeram kooda yedhiri aagivida...yughaNgaL aaga vaedam maarivida...aNaththu kondaayae...
pinbhu yaenoa sendraay (elec.sounds again) paused

now WOHE it is slightly different ----
dharti ki is aangan ko
khoon se na rang daman ko
hona tha jo vo ho chuka (elec sounds..)

"hota hai khud waqt dawa
thikhi yaaden bhool hi ja
aasahkoon mein doobi hai q ye shaam?
---
suraj kal phir ayega
jeevan chalta jayega
pal mein thi aarman ka jahaan
kyunki tu tanha hi nahi hai
sang tere hum
dil ki aakhon se dekhe tujhko humdum
har lamha......."

[Scale]

now i corrected the link. please check that sadamudikkaran singing. :lol:

[Scale]

[tscii:d0b63562a8]check now,

0.56-1.03 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTLeHJhc6A) Ist male vocal
nagarum neruppai kozhundhu vetterindean...
aNaindha pinbhum...analin maelirundean
….

1.04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTLeHJhc6A)IInd male vocals starts on top of him
//swasamindri thavikiraenae
unadhu moochchil pizhaikkiraenae//
idhazhLgaLai idhazhLgaLaal nirappida vaa peNNae

@vaa penne it goes a little highpitch check 1.06

[/tscii:d0b63562a8]

[Scale]

The similarity doesnt stick with the song alone. Here are some more.. The plot of Kaakha Kaakha itself could have been loosely inspired by bleach, the characters...
Bleach Ichiko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach_manga) (anbuchelvan) forces him to take on the duties of defending humans from evil spirits and guiding departed souls to the afterlife

Ichigo is unable to stop Rukia's capture, but with the help of several of his classmates who also possess spiritual abilities and ex-Soul Reaper and captain Kisuke Urahara, he sets off for the Soul Reaper base, located in Soul Society. Once there, Ichigo and company battle against the elites of the Soul Reaper military, and are ultimately successful in halting Rukia's execution.

It is then revealed that Rukia's execution and Ichigo's rescue attempt were both manipulated by Sōsuke Aizen...

Very rarely a human like Ichigo Kurosaki is born who is able to see, interact, or fight with spirits, and others can gain these abilities by exposure to large amounts of spiritual energy, which happens to a number of Ichigo's friends during the course of the series.




Now look at this pic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bleach_captains.jpg) Long hair villain, their gang masked with basket,coolers, mugamoodi(I have seen somewhere else) check the group dancers in uyirin uyire @0.53,1.46,3.15 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adb1exWsoSA) and also check anbuchelvan team (http://www.bleachportal.net/fanart/artwork/1168728900_bleach15.png)

We already had a cartoon song(lover boy) inspiration for "nenjukkul peidhidum" song. Strangers in black theme seams to be inspired frpm Age of Empire video game what we know already is thats the track from "Passion of Christ". Raghava you could alse be trapped! enakennamo GVM & HJ are playing lots of video games and watching cartoons. Daddy, Help pls!

[inetk]

Haven't listened yet, but one suggestion - try using Splicd (www.splicd.com) to create YouTube clips that start and end from any point you want!

[crajkumar_be]

Scale,
Ippovum similarity edhuvum theriyalingale.. thavira, appadiye similarity irundhaalum, a note or two, or a phrase at best being similar has to be nothing more than coincidence...

[tscii:bc71ceae39]check now,

0.56-1.03 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTLeHJhc6A) Ist male vocal
nagarum neruppai kozhundhu vetterindean...
aNaindha pinbhum...analin maelirundean
….

1.04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTLeHJhc6A)IInd male vocals starts on top of him
//swasamindri thavikiraenae
unadhu moochchil pizhaikkiraenae//
idhazhLgaLai idhazhLgaLaal nirappida vaa peNNae

@vaa penne it goes a little highpitch check 1.06

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[Scale]

Series thiridiyirukkanungha :evil: :twisted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hj_f-RY9pA&feature=related

Ondra renda aasaigal....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkvW-BWrdtY

[Scale]

There is a connection in uyirin uyire song ichiko running and rukia on the beach. Very close! And I will get it soon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWrXH-B1j4g&feature=related

I have prepared a very long post to CR & karthik how the snag of rock musical and japanese lyrics/accent troubles us to identify the exact part. I told you guys original is somewhere released before. The ondra renda link proves it! idhayum namba maateengala:D

[Scale]

Thoodhu varuma......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsqs4pTzc4U&feature=related

A similar version!

[Scale]

Siragugal neeludhe prelude..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI0A_7u-qfY&feature=related
Ennai Konjam Matri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWrXH-B1j4g&feature=related

[Scale]

Search bleach opening theme 1... in youtube

Opening Theme:
#01: "*~Asterisk" by Orange Range -0-0.22 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI0A_7u-qfY&feature=related) Siragugal Neeludhe prelude
#02: "D-tecnolife" by UVERworld 0.00- 0.12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtloNvtGXX4&feature=related)- Thoodhu Varuma
#03: "Ichirin no Hana" by High and Mighty Color
#04: "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" by Beat Crusaders - 0-0.28 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW37NQku4jw&feature=related) oru vooril
#05: "Rolling star" by YUI -
#06: "ALONES" by Aqua Timez -00-0.21 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hj_f-RY9pA&feature=related) Ondra Renda
#07: "After Dark by Asian Kung-Fu Generation - 0.18- 0.26 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWrXH-B1j4g&feature=related) ennai konjam matri
#08: "CHU-BURA" by Kelun
#09: "Velonica" by Aqua Timez

There are lots of ending themes. One of the biggest blockster of Tamil Cinema ripped off everthing including soundtrack from the Bleach - Cartoon Series. Whatever they have improvised, presented better the original has to be credited. Title credits says original story and original Music. Cheap & Disgraceful!

Myy favourite is Alones 0.22 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hj_f-RY9pA&feature=related/)

[Scale]

Ennaikonjam Tippu, Shalini (Pop), Timmy
Ondra Renda - Bombay Jayashree
Oru Ooril Karthik Sgr
Thoodhu Varuma Sunitha Sarathy, Febi Mani
Uyirin Uyirae Kay Kay, Suchitra
Kaakha Kaakha - Theme
Kaka Kaka Kalabha Kadhala
The Encounter

http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/moviedetail.asp?mid=T0000486

[music man]

Friends!!!! There is a song in A Aahh E Eeeh which goes like "Thappo Thappo which is clearly a rip off from some other song.....

What is that original song???

[jaaze]

Friends!!!! There is a song in A Aahh E Eeeh which goes like "Thappo Thappo which is clearly a rip off from some other song.....

What is that original song???

Harris Jayaraj's Telugu song from the movie Kumaran
or some other Telug song.. which goes Thappo.. Righto..
I was reminded of this too..

[jaaze]

scale u watch too much anime / bleach

arandavan kannukku irundathellam pEi maathiri ungallukku etha parthalum bleach maathiri theriyuthu.. :x

[sloshed]

Yeppa inthu kosu thollai thanga mudiyalada saaami....

Scale... take it easy man.... You are getting all of us worried.. and yes they bombed Japan in 1945.. you dont have to feel sorry for it..

[Scale]

Literally The whole sound track is recommended/reworked with the similar opening part titled as opening theme in Bleach edition by various composers. I have marked the opening portions and you can check with kk songs simultaneously. The plot of the movie, characters , song picturisation are also clearly inspired from Bleach series which I posted from wiki and other youtube links.

[MrJudge]

Yeppa inthu kosu thollai thanga mudiyalada saaami....

kosu thollai irukkattum... Have you searched the soul properly dude I mean the resemblances? If not, please do so through Scale's links. I just listened to one track that resembles onRa rendA song, he has lifted the tune. I never bother to check the others because I don't want to waste my time and bandwidth. Please let us know what advice you have for Mr.HJ.

[Scale]

I have been tirelessly looking for the original of uyirin uyire (sure a japanese band/track) which atfirst intrigued me to do all this research. I was very confident thats the source... Wiki says its from Rock Musicals - Dark of the bleeding moon and the version is fully original not used from the cartoon series. then how come in Kaakha Kaakha. :roll: thedanum.... Massive!! :shock:

[Scale]

The technique is split the original track(japanese format provided with scoresheet??) and smartly interchange the 2 different charanam (1C/2C & 2C/1C). No interludes in the original HJ added some effects to get his version. Lyrics & slightly reduced tempo is the key! This is what I am trying to explain all this time how the 2 notes similarity can be manipulated....Check it yourself you will hear

#07: After Dark by Asian Kung-Fu Generation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSKQ_-nwOXE)
Pallavi: 0.18-0.36, Ist C: 0.38 - 0.48 IInd C: 1.06 - 1.17

Ennai Konjam Matri by HJ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2eWXGaoWko) (siragulal neeludhe prelude is from track *)
Pallavi: 0.34 - 0.49, IInd C(M):2.10-2.25 Ist C(F): 0.59-1.18

From thoodhu varuma lyrics I am sure even thamarai is known about the originals! kootamthaayan uruvikkanungha may be GVM have collected all the necessary supplementals from US/sappan and distributed it


nalladhae nadakkum yendrae
seenaththin vaasthu andrae
paarththaenae veettin uLLae
sivappilae dragon padamum
sirikkum buththar silaiyum
vaiththanae thaerkku moolaiyilae
pala palathadai thaandi vandhaay
vaasthugaL yeLLam poyiyae yendraay
koadiya saaththanae
yeNNai thokkichellavaa

[Scale]

Get the Rukia - student/Jothika - teacher connection from

oru vooril (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW37NQku4jw&feature=related)

Original
#04: "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" by Beat Crusaders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW37NQku4jw&feature=related)

[ajaybaskar]

Scale, kaakka kaakka music pathi edhum thesis panreengala?

[Yathu]

Scale, kaakka kaakka music pathi edhum thesis panreengala?
:lol:

Scale, i'm getting worried too. You're really going after this full steam!

[Scale]

Ok guys. And Thanks for all your patience and tolerance that makes me to revive my blog (http://scalerevolves.blogspot.com/) almost after an year.

[Vivasaayi]

Search bleach opening theme 1... in youtube

Opening Theme:
#01: "*~Asterisk" by Orange Range -0-0.22 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI0A_7u-qfY&feature=related) Siragugal Neeludhe prelude
#02: "D-tecnolife" by UVERworld 0.00- 0.12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtloNvtGXX4&feature=related)- Thoodhu Varuma
#03: "Ichirin no Hana" by High and Mighty Color
#04: "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" by Beat Crusaders - 0-0.28 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW37NQku4jw&feature=related) oru vooril
#05: "Rolling star" by YUI -
#06: "ALONES" by Aqua Timez -00-0.21 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hj_f-RY9pA&feature=related) Ondra Renda
#07: "After Dark by Asian Kung-Fu Generation - 0.18- 0.26 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWrXH-B1j4g&feature=related) ennai konjam matri
#08: "CHU-BURA" by Kelun
#09: "Velonica" by Aqua Timez

There are lots of ending themes. One of the biggest blockster of Tamil Cinema ripped off everthing including soundtrack from the Bleach - Cartoon Series. Whatever they have improvised, presented better the original has to be credited. Title credits says original story and original Music. Cheap & Disgraceful!

Myy favourite is Alones 0.22 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hj_f-RY9pA&feature=related/)

theres nothing similar between the songs u have mentioned and this video...except that ondra renda aasaigal-which also cannot be termed as a lift.

[Vivasaayi]

Yeppa inthu kosu thollai thanga mudiyalada saaami....

kosu thollai irukkattum... Have you searched the soul properly dude I mean the resemblances? If not, please do so through Scale's links. I just listened to one track that resembles onRa rendA song, he has lifted the tune. I never bother to check the others because I don't want to waste my time and bandwidth. Please let us know what advice you have for Mr.HJ.

adhavadhu anda oru paatuthan konjamavadhu similara irukunnu soldreenga.

[Scale]

I have corrected the link. Give a close listen to the marked duration. The whole soundtrack is developed in the original format pallavi&charanam are very clear added some effects to it and original mostly doesnt have interludes. I have explained the technique b4.


Get the Rukia - student/Jothika - teacher connection from

oru vooril (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ0vzmcYC8U) - 0.28-0.55

Original - 0.18-0.27
#04: "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" by Beat Crusaders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW37NQku4jw&feature=related)

Even in charanam you hear the tonight tonight & azghalagai vidhavidhamai

Check this now cartoon thiruttu (http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7913/oruvooriltonightcz5.jpg) The part where you could spot the similarity

[MrJudge]

adhavadhu anda oru paatuthan konjamavadhu similara irukunnu soldreenga.

I just listened to that track only. I didn't care to check the others. If that is the only track copied, so be it. I am least bothered about HJ's music/the copies he makes. :D

[inetk]

Scale: I tried checking all your message and your blog post in depth...at the outset, while I was really expecting a large scale plagiarism based on the amount of posts you've generated, I don't see anything concrete. As far as I know, Uyirin Uyire's sound and orchestration is lifted off German band Rammstein's Du Hast...at point 0:17, you'd surely go WTF...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doTBT46wMvA

Ondra renda aasaigal, or its predecessor, Dil Ko, from RHTDM is inspired by Secret Garden's 'Song from a secret garden'. Check out No. 46 here,

http://www.itwofs.com/hindi-others.html

Also, I suggest you use http://www.splicd.com/ to mark specific portions in YouTube videos and post relevant links here...helps is getting straight to the point in video.

[karthik_sa2]

scale
ennaachu ungaluku :lol:

[Scale]

Karthik 1 & 2 8-) (says...) WTF?? nah! If its just 1 track or a bit I wouldnt dwelt in such depth. My approach is purely head(ear)-wearingly scaled!

Well from the posts I have generated anyone can ascertain the plagaristic search initiated from the musical notes (stageplay) and proceeded slowly to one by one tracks shockingly 4-5 track in sequence of the opening themes (bear this word for timebeing). Most of these Japanese bands (wiki searched..)/tracks are heavy rock & metallic rock cartooned version thats the difficulty to assimilate. To make it concrete (damn even TwTw was demolished) I have exercised further proofs on my blog (www.scalerevolves.blogspot.com) what an atrocious robbery in terms of script, screenplay etc...

Well interms of Music/songs, Tho I provided sufficient proof and now to use spliceid Oh! HJ aint that stupid that someone will fix the duration and identify his cleverness.. We need to raise the bars in order to evaluate their deceitful work. I will try my own attempt wish it solves all the japanese puzzle.... Tolerate me Guys!!

[Scale]

My Fathers Journal by TANIGUCHI Jiro (http://scalerevolves.blogspot.com/)

Read the context.

[app_engine]

Sometime back I posted about hearing a western song on radio, having the melody of
'நான் தன்னந்தனிக்காட்டு ராஜா" without knowing the name of the song etc.

Today my co-worker played that song on her laptop! Asked the name of the song and she said : 'I'm yours' by Jason Mraz.

Here is a link :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHnJGXwr-HU

I'm not sure whether
-he has a Thamizh friend who played him our TFM song to get inspired from that
or
-whether there's a common & very old source for both
or
-a question of 'great minds think alike' coincidence:-)

[SoftSword]

which is the tamil song...?

[app_engine]

"நான் தன்னந்தனிக்காட்டு ராஜா"
(படம் - எங்க மாமா) இங்கே:

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/tamil/s/movie_name.4416/

[Scale]

Can you identify the Zelemele 3 tracks (http://scalerevolves.blogspot.com/) ?

[kingvj]

"Ellam avan seyal" (MD - Vidhyasagar?) has this item song something like "sema hot machi".. one predominant part of the song has been copied from "bachi bachi bambo" (English) song.

[MrJudge]

What do you guys think about these 5secs 10secs rip-off??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8QQMk_il0Q

[zz]

Misjudge


What do you guys think about these 5secs 10secs rip-off??

Let us know what you think. Can I presume that your characteristic envy will reign over your wisdom, even this time.?

Did you see the discussions and comments in that thread.?

Poor losers...pity on them...who abuse ARR baselessly.

[Yathu]

Can I presume that your characteristic envy will reign over your wisdom, even this time.?
:lol: I think thats a good presumption to make.

I'm actually surprised MrJudge has been visiting the ARR thread. :shock:

[Vysar]

Friends IR copied BGM from Man with the Golden Gun for Niram Maratha Pookal. I am trying to get Man with the Golden Gun BGM links in the web somehere. I have clips from Niram Maratha Pookal that I will host it on You Tube soon. So you all can compare the BGMs.

[rajasaranam]

Friends IR copied BGM from Man with the Golden Gun for Niram Maratha Pookal. I am trying to get Man with the Golden Gun BGM links in the web somehere. I have clips from Niram Maratha Pookal that I will host it on You Tube soon. So you all can compare the BGMs.

Kelambitaanayya kelambitaanyaa :lol:

[jaaze]

Friends IR copied BGM from Man with the Golden Gun for Niram Maratha Pookal. I am trying to get Man with the Golden Gun BGM links in the web somehere. I have clips from Niram Maratha Pookal that I will host it on You Tube soon. So you all can compare the BGMs.

Kelambitaanayya kelambitaanyaa :lol:
vanthutaanya vanthutaanya :lol:

[kingvj]

aaha.. avana neeyi...!!! :D :lol:

[Scale]

Vysar,

neengha romba nallavarunghanna. :wink:

Appreciate your effort, please post it if any similarity exists. yaara irundhalum "copied" kutram kutrame... carefulnganna.. Thanks!

[kingvj]

Ayan's "Vizhi moodi" sounds similar to "Siru paarvayale" from Bheema.. unsurprisingly, both are HJ's..!

"Pichai paathiram" (Naan Kadavul) sounds like "nee paadhi naan paadhi" (Keladi Kanmani) in slow-motion.

Both IMHO..! :-)

[karthik_sa2]

i dono if this was dicussed earlier ....yesteday i watched a movie "saviour"released in 1998... the theme music or the lullaby that often comes in the movie is totally ripped off by harris in uyirin uyire song pallavi part..will get the link...one nimite

[karthik_sa2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYw1jBWIDr0



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEHcFfhpgAY&feature=related

[karthik_sa2]

even the anu pallavi part

[Kumarappa]

1) Sivakasi Rathiye (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhqlJV-1IYg) from Poo sounds so similar to Oppurane Oppurane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b53p5w-GQ3E) from Thimiru, especially the part which goes like "Iva enthakaalam parthathu thaaye, iva anthakaala Aishwarya Rai" sounds exactly like "Iva kittakitta vanthu enna killa parthiya, kotta kotta enna ava kolla parthiya" and moreover Periya Karupputhevar's voice, which sounds so much like Gangai Amaren's make this even more similar.

2) Apart form the fact, that it sounds much like "Dhikku Dhikku" from Dhaam Dhoom, the song Honey Honey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcGZXdZnAqM) from Ayan bears some resemblance to Give it to me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2__Qdd11rfA) by Timbaland feat. Justin Timberlake and Nelly Furtado.

In both cases, I felt like there were some similiaraties and resemblances.

@Karthik
indeed I could identify some faint resemblance, but dunno if it's a total rip-off! Have to listen again, I think.

[thumburu]

"para para" from "Vennila kabadi kuzhu" seems to be heavily influenced by Yuvan's compositions like "kadhal kadhal" from "Kadhal konden" and parts of "kadhal ellaam maayam" song from "mounam pesiyadhe" . Hope the new MD comes up with his own style rather than aping another MDs for his own sake

[Scale]

3 vadaya thirudi vithavan innaikku uthamanaaitaan...

V. Selvaganesh the debutant composer of Vennila Kabadi Kuzhu is the son of Legendary Ghatam Maestro Thetakudi Harihara Vinayakram (also known as Vikku Vinayakram)

is aping?

Thats disgusting! I have heard the whole soundtrack and its one of the best in recent times.. folk, melody, ethnic.. Lesa parakuthu, Mannai Thodu, Uyiril edho...

[Scale]

/dign

What genre is Rum Bum Bum song fom MMKR? And I remember that there is a source for this inspiration .... Can anyone help me pls!

/end dign

[viraajan]

"para para" from "Vennila kabadi kuzhu" seems to be heavily influenced by Yuvan's compositions like "kadhal kadhal" from "Kadhal konden" and parts of "kadhal ellaam maayam" song from "mounam pesiyadhe" . Hope the new MD comes up with his own style rather than aping another MDs for his own sake

FYKI, Yuvan's Kadhal Kadhal itself is a blatant rip.

Betw, I don't find any resemblance. VKK songs are GENUINE. :huh:

[Scale]

yeah.. got it!

I was listening to The Blues in Asia (http://www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/911920-various-artists) by Various Artists quite shocked to hear Yakitori Boogie & Whammy Jammer. The original is by Shadows Guitar boogie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jc9gnY6p9Y&feature=related)

Not so necessary to point out the lifted version Rum Bum Rum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuWncSBmrKs)

This is shockingly a blatant lift considering Raja's repertoire add some vocals you will get Yakitori Boogie :)

[Hulkster]

Scale they are both songs played using boogie rhythm thus the similarity. A search on wikipedia shows so many versions of this style. Similar style but raja's one is more unique. Okay i guess IR did get inspired as the starting drum beats followed by the guitar piece is similar.

[Hulkster]

http://www.glennhughes.com/fanforum/yt.php?v=buWkFKcX6zk

Go to this link. There are a lot of versions of this rhythm played on guitar. And all sound similar at places. When you listen to Rum Bum Bum slowly, you will realise that the initial guitar piece is a derivative of the tune and the mood of the song.

Original is by arthur smith rather than the shadows. Loads of versions of this instrumental. Listening from this IR's version sounds abit different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-rS7vySix8

[bingleguy]

//digr - Hulki ..... long time no see :-)

[Hulkster]

//digr busy with work. Yeppadi irukenga? :D

[bingleguy]

//digr - am great .... neenga nalamA ? been long since i ve seen this dragon :-) so how r things at ur side ? enga irukkeenga ippo ?

[Hulkster]

//digr - Singaporil thaan. All the same, neengalum romba naala kaanavillei..enna aachu?

[dheeraj_kumar]

Doley from Kadhalil Vizhunden
Misirlou which is a folk music, but famous due to a movie called Pulp Fiction

Doley is a 98% rip of Misirlou. Both are available at YouTube.

[Scale]

Hulkster,

Yes I do know that there are lot of cover version exists and thanks for the original pointer. Mostly its guitar version but whammer jammer is on harmonica. In case of Raaja's version its not just drums and guitar prelude similaritly even the pallavi, interludes, charanam notes are also exactly the same (listen to yakkitori boogie pallavi & rumbum 7 8 natkalachu, 1 o clock 2 o clock..) . Infact its clear case of inspiration, lifted and reworked for a whole track.

I kinda liked yakkitori version better a small band from JP and the man on the vocals is simply mindblowing! :thumbsup:

[rprasad]

Hi Scale,

While the style of music is similar with some similarity in notes being there as well but i dont think you can call it copied by any stetch of imagination. The IR version prelude sounds different with some typical IR'ish music. This is a brilliantly reworked IRish sounding number but since this particular style of music with the guitar and drums is so unique there will be always similar notes and sound as well. Infact any song based on this style will be hard pressed to have completely different beats or sound since that is a signature sound for this. We can call IR's number a sort of indainized/tamilish reworking of that style of music. But this is no copy. Inspired by that sound to create something more local ,yes. If we call this copy then most of our western/pop based songs will be copy since most of them have beats which are similar to western numbers.

[Hulkster]

@scale

Yup. I understand that the initial piece is heavily inspired but the whole song is abit too far fetched. I thought you were only talking about the initial guitar piece. Its the same as Rahman's hello mr ethirkachi and yuvan's nenjodu kalanthidu, using a initial piece to form a song.

[Scale]

//We can call IR's number a sort of indainized/tamilish reworking of that style of music.//

No way! Tell me one movie where there is a lead/any character as FIREMAN & all his men were dancing in troops,and khushboo in frock & drooling on trumpet. IInd portion as cowboy WTH? camera angles, set, costumes...Still I didnt mean to say it as a copy unless I find a congeneric dance number :). You mean to say the dance also Indianized/tamilish ? This is not annatha aaduraar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwhLFln3heo) Wow! biggle :cool2:

This is a very close one in terms of picturization (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wiVkdVPGoY) Boogie Woogie same blue genre but a different version. We need to check if this song is used in any of the movies. The days are not very far!

[Scale]

rrprasad,

On a similar note I am also checking Injiringo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4SXCfM2X9Q) from thenali for a trumpet connection. Except the african heavy beats & chorus the base tune can be said indianized and it always shifts from point to point the picturization also vindicates in that sense. Whereas rum bum is BLUE's written all over exact replica of Guitar boogie on vocal version. to make it crisp and clear 7 8 naatkal & 1'o clock in charanam...looped.

Hulkster,

Hello Mr. Ethirkatchi - Well I dont say that is Indianized. Except the prelude and you can even stretch all the piano parts. Its wholly accepted fact that the tune is original and listen to the Ist interludes show me something like this in rumbum a verse type...

Mannai vaergal pirinthaalum,
Vinnai neelam pirinthaalum,
Kannai manigal pirinthaalum,
Unnai naan piriyillai,
Sangam Tamilai pirinthaalum,
Sattham isaiyai pirinthaalum,
Thaalam sruthiyai pirinthaalam

Wondering why Mani showed it in cinema screen... Still this have found a place in everyone lifted list but not rum bum.

[rprasad]

Hi Scale,

I have listened to the guitar boogie multiple versions and i still cannot find any direct similarity to the Rum Bum song. Ofcourse traces are there since it is the same genre and style with similar instruments with tRumpet being added in IR version. I think IR has suffciently worked on it to make it a distinct song. In short it is no exact replica as you claim. Even i try to sing the boogie tune with words it does not resemble the IR song at all. I dont know what you are listening to. Ofcourse since it is the Blues genre and is not IR's own there will be simialrity in notes as i acknowledged earlier. But the tune is different and even the preludes and interludes are reworked.
I wonder why Karthick of INETK did not put it on his site if he felt it was a copy. i am sure he must have heard the boogie version since this is a popular genre and very distinct sound.

[Hulkster]

Scale i got nothing else to say. I accept that the initial prelude is inspired but the tune except for the fact that it is of rock and roll genre does not resemble any part of yakitoori boogie. Like i said it is the same as hello mr ethirkachi. You could feel that the song is preceded by the piano prelude but the tune remains totally original. Same case.

[Scale]

Okay Guys! Thanks for your feedback. Lets move on....

[Scale]

Thank you Mr. Bill Halley and Comets

@0.35 - Rhythm & Blues Country Swing:

@1.02 - 1'0 clock 2'0 clock - ROCK Round the Clock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZwKSlXpQss&feature=related)

Full song: In Movie Blackboard Jungle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5fsqYctXgM) and watch the trumpet@1.08,1.25 (no place to say Raaja improvised with instruments) girl, swing dance. Its a blatant lift!

A very close color version to Rum Bum Bum in terms of picturization (if tho exists) will be excavated soon.

[pure bliss]

daddy - mummy song starting resembles
kuzhaludhum kannanuku ( Movie - Mella thiranthathu kathavu)

anyone thinks so?

[kingvj]

yeah, pure bliss...! I agree with you..! :-)

[Movies]

Anyone thinks this song resembles a tamil song; I'll post the tamil song once I read what(if) u have to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8mZqY5uzg

[dinesh2002]

Anyone thinks this song resembles a tamil song; I'll post the tamil song once I read what(if) u have to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8mZqY5uzg

Monalisa - Mr. Romeo??

[Movies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv2g2litVKA

dinesh I think so too. Any experts? Is this an inspiration, copy , same genre or am I just deaf?

[crajkumar_be]

Scale,
Of course it is common knowledge that Rumbumbum is inspired by "Rock Around The Clock". And 'rock and roll' has a very typical sound, feel and structure. Its not a note-for-note lift by any means.

And seriously, Scale, just give it a break. Haven't you noticed that nobody other than you finds similarities in the comparisons you bring out here? Don't get me wrong, thappa sollala, serious a solren... i mean yaarukkue neenga solra similarities therila, for most of the allegations you have put forward...

[zz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv2g2litVKA

dinesh I think so too. Any experts? Is this an inspiration, copy , same genre or am I just deaf?

No inspiration or copy. This song is based on the genere called Qawwali, a very famous urdu, hindustani music genere. Qawwali's are predominantly sung with dholaks, Tabla and harmonium. Ustad Nusrat Fatheh Ali Khan saab was a great exponent of Qawwali.....

During those days if you were watching DD (National) you could have come accross many such programs based on this music genere.. That is how I liked qawwali

[dinesh2002]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv2g2litVKA

dinesh I think so too. Any experts? Is this an inspiration, copy , same genre or am I just deaf?

Yes Movies, i think its too close to be called inspired.

zz, yeah, the beats is something common in qawalli, but i think the tune is too similar to call it inspired, isnt it ? Perhaps u can lighten us more on the basics of tunes in Qawalli. :)

[jaaze]

Deva does an incredible lift in Kushi - O Venilla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwN6y3KTHqI&feature=related :o

[SoftSword]

kaadhalil vizhundhaen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZAMA5ea4p4&feature=related

VJ Antony...

[jaaze]

kaadhalil vizhundhaen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZAMA5ea4p4&feature=related

VJ Antony...


This video is not available in your country.

I think you are referring to the song Unakkena Naan. THis has already been addressed. And the team of the movie were the culprits. VA was against it, it seems.

[SoftSword]

kaadhalil vizhundhaen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZAMA5ea4p4&feature=related

VJ Antony...


This video is not available in your country.

I think you are referring to the song Unakkena Naan. THis has already been addressed. And the team of the movie were the culprits. VA was against it, it seems.

yeah am referring to that... and i never knew it before...
and the MD cant blame on the movie team... anything which goes under his name, he is responsible... he should not have agreed for that... if he had really come up with a equally good tune or a better tune, why would anybody force him to lift from a older one...

i dont see a point in ur defence for VJ :)

[crajkumar_be]

"if he had really come up with a equally good tune or a better tune, why would anybody force him to lift from a older one... "
- Poda vitta thaane avaru poduvaaru. Agreed, once he agrees to it, he is fair game but when the makers are hell bent on certain things, ivaru enna pannuvaaru? At least, not yet (in terms of his stature)

[littlemaster1982]

Softsword,

The song was credited to PV Prasath - Director of the film, not to Vijay Antony. VA did it on the compulsion of director, but didn't want to associate his name with that song.

No point in blaming him :D

[baba88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15RQCHVn2nU

[SoftSword]

mybe its not credited to his name in this case....
but this would spoil his reputation as a original composer when general public get to know about this copy... they wont go deep into wondering who forced him to do that...

the starting piece of that tune was intentionally made that way...
if u listen to the words coming in that tune u would better understand what they attempted to do...

"kaettu rasittha paadal ondrai... meendum indru nyaabagam thoonda..."

and the kaettu rasittha paadal is that "aagaaya vennilaavae.."

[prasad_subbu]

Don't know whether it is discussed here before.

I found some resemblance between "Kettu Rasitha Padal Onrai" of ATM and "Vaarayo Vennilavae"(Prabhu and Revathy" song of Aagaya Thamirai.

What do you guys feel?

[Hulkster]

No resemblance. Such songs sound similar when you keep on playing them one after another. Even if there is it should be due to raagam.

[jaaze]

That one line (kaettu rasitha paadal) is quite similar. There are many other songs with such kind of singular line with similarity.

[Movies]

Not sure if this was mentioned before, something that definitely needs to go on itwofs.com

Song/s in question:

Go go go Adhiko from Sanikudu * starting from 20 secs and forward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyX961WmrLU
&
Donna Donna from Sathyam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlQW40vp2Jk
Both composed by Harric Jeyraj

Copied From:

Smooth Criminal by MJ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex30DYwQlHU

[interz]

Chellame - Guru En Aalu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnyM1BqXL4

Spun - Flipsyde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jA-7iEW15Y

Spun is best, awesome rap,

I dont know if it has been posted already. Had to post it, cuz Spun is a song I like very much, Chellame is a song I dislike very much.

[kiru]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLhJw1K7NrM

THe backing rhythm has been used in a popular song I think. Just got this in my Sansa fuze I bought as gift for somebody (checking out before giving it to them)

[Venki]

Check out this Britney Spears copy from Ek Duuje Ke Liye. Everyone samples from everyone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqiF3IBoMNk

[SoftSword]

thats too small sample to categorise as a copy i guess

[Venki]

Isn't that the million dollar question? At what point does inspiration, sampling become copying, i.e, what percentage does it have to be to be considered a copy? That particular tune is the highlight and recurring tune in that Britney song, right?

[kiru]

Did anybody checkout the youtube link posted above ? I thought it sounded like the shivaji songs rhythm(sunlight, moonlight), but I did not want to say it because I was not sure. Thought if i mention this now there is a better chance of confirmation.

[SVN]

Kiru,
Yes, I can see similarities... Looks like a case of inspiration. Can't say it's a copy though. We just have to wait for Harris Jayaraj for a note-by-note copy in the near future ;)

The Shanghai Restoration Project is a great track. Quite catchy indeed. Can easily be adapted to our films.

[baba88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCw4ZLPzpDg

[dinesh2002]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCw4ZLPzpDg

other than that violin's 4 sec... i dun see any resemblance....

[vasanth2006]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDdaAq5CsOA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bHu2fy_a98&feature=related


Vijay Antony inspired/copied from Yuvan's machakaran song....

[dinesh2002]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDdaAq5CsOA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bHu2fy_a98&feature=related


Vijay Antony inspired/copied from Yuvan's machakaran song....

yeah... its almost the same... tune, beat and tempo...

Vijay Andhaani :?

[ajaybaskar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypix35j1aeo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKQvT94yFuE

[interz]

After hearing "Karigalan" many times, I felt like i heard the tune before

then I found Giri CD and put on "Dei Kaiyai vachukittu summa iruda...." and BANGGG!

[music man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypix35j1aeo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKQvT94yFuE

Wow!!! Good find....

[ajaybaskar]

ASAL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTxmJXpM264

NAGAL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwam_N_UhDQ

[ajaybaskar]

ASAL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGv__TUCaj8

NAGAL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-fc1t1GrO4

[music man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypix35j1aeo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKQvT94yFuE

Wow!!! Good find....

ASAL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGv__TUCaj8

NAGAL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-fc1t1GrO4

Actually Steven Devassy used to be the pianist for Vidya Saagar..I read somewhere that Vidya Saagar and Stephen Devassy had mutually agreed and had redone the same piece in that song...

[dochu]

Maybe this was already mentioned.

Starting bit seems to be the same. (same raga?)

Oru kal oru kannadi (Siva Manasula Sakthi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOTH6ZdGwQ

So gaya ye jehaan (Tezaab)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uXjLohRTDs

[vel]

so gaya yeh jahan by itself looks like a copy of keladi kanmani paadagan sangadhi..

[MADDY]

so gaya yeh jahan by itself looks like a copy of keladi kanmani paadagan sangadhi..

u r saying ulta - Tezaab came a year before pudhu pudhu arthangal

[app_engine]

'kELadi kaNmaNi' is one of the few copies of IR ('sO gayA' is the original from tEzAb; or it may have an older Hindi original as IR has been inspired from some, the well-known one being 'kanavu kANum vAzhkkai yAvum' of neengaL kEttavai).

[Vysar]

LP and IR had an understanding and IR bought the rights for So gaya so the whole family can copy. :)

Then IR, Now Yuva, future Yatheesh.

[dochu]

LP and IR had an understanding and IR bought the rights for So gaya so the whole family can copy. :)

Then IR, Now Yuva, future Yatheesh.

:lol:

Guess, if one is 'clever' in masking the 'original' then he is a successful MD. However, I think YSR still has talent, this is just an aberration.

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

The first line in the two song, keladi' and 'so gaya' are where the similarity ends. 'keladi' then takes a totally different route. The charanams are totally different. The whole feel of both the songs is quite different. The charanams of the Hindi song are quite pedestrian IMHO.

Honestly I cannot see the link between 'oru kal' and 'so gaya'. Maybe both are based on the same scale.

You are right about 'kanavu kaanum' song though. It is a direct copy of 'kasme vaade pyar wafa sub' from a Manoj Kumar movie. Original sung by Manna Dey. The other song which is a direct lift against Raja's name is 'O rabba vesu kunna killi' which is a copy of 'kaike paan banaras wala' from Don in the Telugu film 'Yugandhar'. Incidentally both the Hindi songs had music by Kalyanji Anandji.

While I can understand the Don song copy, the Hindi version being hugely popular and NTR wanting it in his film. (Those were the days when songs were regularly copied from Hindi. Raja was just getting is foothold in the industry and NTR was a big man.) What I still cannot fathom is the 'kasme vade pyar' song coming to Tamil. First, it is a fairly mediocre song. Not like some beauty of Madanmohan or Roshan. Second, it was in Balu Mahendra's film, who is very close to Raja. Third, there was no one involved like NTR or such and Raja was not the beginner as he was during the 'Yugandhar' days. So is it that Raja liked the song so much or Balu Mahendra liked the song so much that they decided to transpose it to Tamil? I am curious because Raja has probably a huge number of songs for such situations and many of them being lot more better than this song. So why copy?

Maybe the mystery will clear some day!!

[viraajan]

Honestly I cannot see the link between 'oru kal' and 'so gaya'.


Yes.