COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY - PART2

[Vysar]

I happened to watch Kamal's video where Kamal saying that IR could modify the tune and come up with different output (Deva never does that). Example he gave was Inji Idupazhga. Gangai Amaran also expressed notion in an interview where he noted IR took that route in most cases. Inspiration kept IR going in 80s and 90s.

[Sanjeevi]

I believe Keladi Kanmani is not either Inspiration or Copy. It must be Coincidence (though 'so gaya' came before) or like 'Inji Idupazhagi').

But for 'Chittu Kuruvi' song it was in 'inspiration' category

[kingvj]

This 'Kasmee vaade' - 'Neengal Kaettavai' song link has been discussed down to death already. BM wanted it, IR accepted (with hesitation). Period. Let's not reinvent the wheel. :-)

[Sureshs65]

Thanks King for info reg 'Neengal Kaettavai' song. Didn't know about the earlier discussion. I also thought it would have been something that BM wanted. Nice to have that validated.

[Scale]

I happened to watch Kamal's video where Kamal saying that IR could modify the tune and come up with different output (Deva never does that). Example he gave was Inji Idupazhga. Gangai Amaran also expressed notion in an interview where he noted IR took that route in most cases. Inspiration kept IR going in 80s and 90s.

romba surukkama solliteengha... Kamal saying about IR thats perversely the other way around!

[jaaze]

HJ :banghead:
Can't he be original for once? :sigh2:
Just today I heard the song Vaarayo Vaarayo - Aadhavan fully. Very shortly at a shop I hear an English song playing with the same tune with electric guitars.

[Scale]

[tscii:e3a92d8422]This is not about copying rather a tribute to MSV. His song "Raajavin Paarvai" is used in the French comedy "I always wanted to be a gangster (2007)" and rightly credited to MSV and Anbe Vaa. Goosebumps! It was used twice in the film the prelude of chariot sound and the female humming.

The track is not listed in imdb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0827713/soundtrack) but this link (http://www.yes.fm/musica/Soundtrack---2008/J-ai-toujours-reve-d-etre-un-gangster) have it.

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[dinesh2002]

[tscii:5992218905]This is not about copying rather a tribute to MSV. His song "Raajavin Paarvai" is used in the French comedy "I always wanted to be a gangster (2007)" and rightly credited to MSV and Anbe Vaa. Goosebumps! It was used twice in the film the prelude of chariot sound and the female humming.

The track is not listed in imdb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0827713/soundtrack) but this link (http://www.yes.fm/musica/Soundtrack---2008/J-ai-toujours-reve-d-etre-un-gangster) have it.

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:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Hulkster]

Amazing, french really do watch alot of tamil films dunt they :clap: :notworthy:

[jaiganes]

Amazing, french really do watch alot of tamil films dunt they :clap: :notworthy:
True,
I saw a french film u tube clip with muthu songs in the banckground (on TV)

[abbydoss1969]

Do they sound similar?Are my ears deceiving me?
paa trailer;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrv0VHm2Pw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrv0VHm2Pw


pachelbel's canon (listen from 1.30 min onwards)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Af372EQLck&feature=related

[Hulkster]

Nope they dunt and except that they use the same violins i dunt find any other similarity. :huh:

[Bala (Karthik)]

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[viraajan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Tm98N0Cpc

Any guess? :P

Mere coincidence or inspired?

[jaaze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5rLz5AZBIA

[satissh_r]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Tm98N0Cpc

Any guess? :P

Mere coincidence or inspired? Is that Varayo varayo monalisa?

[viraajan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Tm98N0Cpc

Any guess? :P

Mere coincidence or inspired? Is that Varayo varayo monalisa?

absaleetly!

[satissh_r]

Cant be coincidence given HJ's history :wink:

[jaaze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5rLz5AZBIAany guesses? I think it's kinda obvious

[satissh_r]

That trance kinda start is like Vaaji Vaaji... Is that the one Jaaze?

[jaaze]

I was referring to Night Is Still Young - Muthirai
The same rhythm and beat is used in that song

[satissh_r]

I was referring to Night Is Still Young - Muthirai
The same rhythm and beat is used in that song

Oh ok... Haven't listened to the song more than once.

[MADDY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK97tjSwmmo&feature=PlayList&p=CC762253676FF5AD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19

this song was quite famous during my school days......i was shocked when this same tune and orchestration - note by note- was repeated in vijay movie badri - ennoda laila song......wonder if the composer is same for both the versions.....

nevertheless a beautiful reggae style composition :D

[Benny Lava]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK97tjSwmmo&feature=PlayList&p=CC762253676FF5AD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19

this song was quite famous during my school days......i was shocked when this same tune and orchestration - note by note- was repeated in vijay movie badri - ennoda laila song......wonder if the composer is same for both the versions.....

nevertheless a beautiful reggae style composition :D

This song is nicer than the Badri song. I remember Badri's MD was Ramana gokul (some telugu MD I think)... Which album is this song from?

[MADDY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK97tjSwmmo&feature=PlayList&p=CC762253676FF5AD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19

this song was quite famous during my school days......i was shocked when this same tune and orchestration - note by note- was repeated in vijay movie badri - ennoda laila song......wonder if the composer is same for both the versions.....

nevertheless a beautiful reggae style composition :D

This song is nicer than the Badri song. I remember Badri's MD was Ramana gokul (some telugu MD I think)... Which album is this song from?

i think there were 2 guys in this song's video - one of them must have been ramana gokul........no idea abt album name - i found this from youtube comments:

You can download the entire album audio mp3s at a site called ezeemp3(dot)com and search for "Aye Laila".

[viraajan]

Yeah. Googled it. Composer is the same for both!

[Scale]

Idhukku per copy illaiya Surangani (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lUFTMXNzPM&feature=related) God knows how many of them copied/used this song? See, how time have changed now If someone have done in this era he would have been straightaway ripped apart.

What Vijay Antony done is really smart and venial to the tail (atleast in this case) he credited the original singer Dinesh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcAvHiX4VwQ) and retained the composing credit. There might be a undertable settlement and if Dinesh, the original composer doesnt have problem who are we to accuse.

[inetk]

Scale: Check no. 57 here - http://www.itwofs.com/tamil-others.html - some extra info on Aathichudi.

[Sanjeevi]

Scale: Check no. 57 here - http://www.itwofs.com/tamil-others.html - some extra info on Aathichudi.

VA is getting inspiration from yuvan also. Even his latest vettaikkaran's "naan adicha thangamatta" somehow reminds me Chennai 28's "Saroja Saman nikalo" song.

Another revealed example is "Sexy lady" from "Jiguru thanda"

[viraajan]

Another revealed example is "Sexy lady" from "Jiguru thanda"

This is very much similar.

[Scale]

Yeah, I knew that. Not just quietly VA daringly heralds the composing credit to himself even in the lyrics section at 2 places and also provisionally appears in the video. Like I said Dinesh doesn't seams to have a problem the producers and VA have bloated him with sufficient money. Is that Dinesh @ 0.11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRGtQBWMp30&feature=related) in the video and who is other guy/rapper following him from rickshaw :lol: ?

What's your say on the numerous abashed tune and lyrical lift of Surangani?

[music man]

The guitar riff in "Intha Paathai" from Aaiyirathil Oruvan" is inspired from "Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here"...

Just the guitar riff...Kudos to GVP for developing it into a soulful number...

[rajasaranam]

Was listening to 'Thavamindri kidaitha Varamae' (http://agnicreation.com/A/Anbu/Tamilmp3world.Com%20-%20Thavamindri%20Kidai.mp3) from some obscure movie 'Anbu' and I was very much convinced that the song was by Raaja. I even Connected the parts of the Charanam with 'Nee Thoongum Nerathil' from 'Manasellam (http://thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00343.html)'. Surprisingly the former song is composed by Vidyasaagar! and both films got released in 2003? Now is this just a coincidence or is it that both songs have no connections at all and my mind is making it up due to Hariharan/Sadhana Sargam?

[thumburu]

Was listening to 'Thavamindri kidaitha Varamae' (http://agnicreation.com/A/Anbu/Tamilmp3world.Com%20-%20Thavamindri%20Kidai.mp3) from some obscure movie 'Anbu' and I was very much convinced that the song was by Raaja. I even Connected the parts of the Charanam with 'Nee Thoongum Nerathil' from 'Manasellam (http://thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00343.html)'. Surprisingly the former song is composed by Vidyasaagar! and both films got released in 2003? Now is this just a coincidence or is it that both songs have no connections at all and my mind is making it up due to Hariharan/Sadhana Sargam?

Both are based on Keeravani. May be that is the reason. Moreover in "Thavamindri" , Vidhyasagar has composed in Raja's style of melody . It also resembles host of Raja's songs in Keeravani

[rajasaranam]

Both are based on Keeravani. May be that is the reason. Moreover in "Thavamindri" , Vidhyasagar has composed in Raja's style of melody . It also resembles host of Raja's songs in Keeravani

Thanks for the clarification :) Was confused over why My mind glides back & forth between these two songs. Both are great songs however.

[Vysar]

Folks Long time no see

My first swipe at VTV by ARR

One track has Eurhythimics "Here comes a rain again" starting music used as a loop

Another song is Simon & Garfunkel style being a sound engineer he mixed all of their songs to come up with his own

The last one sounds like a rock song that plays in all Hollywood war movies esp based on Vietnam era. This particular song he forgot to mix it with his mixer application.

All the other songs are very good but I am not sure about their sources yet.

ARR done it again. Keep it going Trendsetter to Deva, Vijay Antony, Dhina, HJ etc...

[Scale]

"Seermevum koovathiley" - A modern day interpretation of "koothu"stage play. Father and Guru have stunned us with a medley in pithamagan (nothing to the composers credit) but here the Son & Sishyan have gone 800 miles ahead. A "Raa koothu" in a criminal background. Yogi Yogi thaan adhu.... Cleverly done!

[Yogi is a shameless stolen $ of Tsotsi]

[SoftSword]

oops.....
:shock:
being an ARR fan, has never expected him to lift a tune which is very widely available in net..

see the below link, listen and look out for more than 50% similarity of this tune with the actual "omana pennae" song from his newly released VTV...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCkzmRFdnb8


ufff... cant believe it... :shock: :shock: :banghead:

[Appu s]

oops.....
:shock:
being an ARR fan, has never expected him to lift a tune which is very widely available in net..

see the below link, listen and look out for more than 50% similarity of this tune with the actual "omana pennae" song from his newly released VTV...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCkzmRFdnb8


ufff... cant believe it... :shock: :shock: :banghead:

:confused2:

[Scale]

lifted??? Thats a new vtv promo from ARR on vocals. Where is the original source?

[Appu s]

lifted??? Thats a new vtv promo from ARR on vocals. Where is the original source?
i guess that is a sarcasm post from SS ,but i could not get it :roll:

[SoftSword]

oops.....
:shock:
being an ARR fan, has never expected him to lift a tune which is very widely available in net..

see the below link, listen and look out for more than 50% similarity of this tune with the actual "omana pennae" song from his newly released VTV...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCkzmRFdnb8


ufff... cant believe it... :shock: :shock: :banghead:

:confused2:

listen to the tune in the above link and listen to the original omana pennae song starting...
dont u find them similar??? :shock:

[Appu s]

oops.....
:shock:
being an ARR fan, has never expected him to lift a tune which is very widely available in net..

see the below link, listen and look out for more than 50% similarity of this tune with the actual "omana pennae" song from his newly released VTV...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCkzmRFdnb8


ufff... cant believe it... :shock: :shock: :banghead:

:confused2:

listen to the tune in the above link and listen to the original omana pennae song starting...
dont u find them similar??? :shock:
u have posted the VTV promo link :confused2:

[SoftSword]

ya... dun they sound similar??

[Sanjeevi]

SoftSword

the song in above link was not done by ARR? then who?

[Appu s]

ya... dun they sound similar??

Purinjiduchu :lol: :twisted:

[Aalavanthan]

Ok.. let me also contribute something here.. pardon me, if this is a repeat..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWymkBdgm1M .. from 0.23 ..

[Scale]

Listening to Idan Raichel Project (http://www.idanraichelproject.com/en)

The opening [Boee@0.07... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y66Pay8fRz4)] should really strike a chord :)


no prize for guessing :wink:

[Plum]

O ippo vyras attack Rahman mEla pAyudhA?

[ajaybaskar]

what song is this?

[Scale]

Though not a direct tune lift I felt there is some inviolable resemblance to YSR's mid-east touch like Idain style more into fusion, style, pattern (Refer wiki) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idan_Raichel)(AA - konjum konjum) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEL6axoG9Ds) in female humming (YSR starts with it..) & the chorus part where it gets tightened up. Who is this singer mahima kammat? More over there are 2 more songs in Idain's album "ayale...ayale (handsome hero) ..." & "Le le la lai" what made ysr to come up with an obscure folkish "yele.. yele.. yele azhagunna azhagu.." (& en kannodu has arabic/gibberish opening) the rhythm, groove is befuddling. STILL NOT WITHSTANDING.

I would like to share 2 more themes which I couldnt take of my mind. Lets see...

Policeman Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqUNMGcFLts&feature=related) by Nurit Hirsh (http://212.68.147.44/NuritHirshNew/index.html) & Latch Drom - Tchavolo& swing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyJL_Kd_YR4)

MUSIC Has no Boundaries!

[Benny Lava]

Scale, I don't bother much about the similarities, but the songs you have posted here are gorgeous! Thanks man!

[Scale]

ekkachakkama irukku.. similarity ellam oru spark thaan (for ex. leave those guitar riffs the violin opening @T&S 3.00 is the hook (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyJL_Kd_YR4) for un paarvai mele pattal @2.24 (2 lines ditto) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxK93sU6K84) @ the rest of the pallavi from @3.30-3.46 of the original only the tempo is bit slower.

An exposure, understanding of these songs is what makes my journeying felicitous. Glad you enjoyed it!

[ajaybaskar]

Anybody listened to this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYc4nlF07uw

[ajaybaskar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZVDqz1pyFo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfFiVVmFxqA

[ajaybaskar]

Last but not least...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AahsqekNatw

[Scale]

Well, these are blatant lifts something to cam stroke $ at SR also. First of all, Who let these dogs out?:lol: That's a song. Now GVP picking "I am shipping up to Boston - The Departed/" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw&feature=related) in AO for his "Celebration of Life" is another pillaging work. GVP says SR is a "genius" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6akmi0l-_0c) OMG! Just rehash with a flute & some percussion doesn't mean its yours. Thanks to the priceless post by rajaalltheway. naanga ellam italian, brazilian, spanish, german padamellam paarkarathillaindra theiyriam. Having a collection of all cannibal films I didn't bother to check because I know how cheap he gets into his film making from his earlier works and the amount of remix songs Pudupettai classic'am now AO eppa mudiyalada saami with all these hokum and ballyhoos.

[ajaybaskar]

Well, these are blatant lifts something to cam stroke $ at SR also. First of all, Who let these dogs out?:lol: That's a song. Now GVP picking "I am shipping up to Boston - The Departed/" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw&feature=related) in AO for his "Celebration of Life" is another pillaging work. GVP says SR is a "genius" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6akmi0l-_0c) OMG! Just rehash with a flute & some percussion doesn't mean its yours. Thanks to the priceless post by rajaalltheway. naanga ellam italian, brazilian, spanish, german padamellam paarkarathillaindra theiyriam. Having a collection of all cannibal films I didn't bother to check because I know how cheap he gets into his film making from his earlier works and the amount of remix songs Pudupettai classic'am now AO eppa mudiyalada saami with all these hokum and ballyhoos.

Exactly. :D

[music man]

Well, these are blatant lifts something to cam stroke $ at SR also. First of all, Who let these dogs out?:lol: That's a song. Now GVP picking "I am shipping up to Boston - The Departed/" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw&feature=related) in AO for his "Celebration of Life" is another pillaging work. GVP says SR is a "genius" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6akmi0l-_0c) OMG! Just rehash with a flute & some percussion doesn't mean its yours. Thanks to the priceless post by rajaalltheway. naanga ellam italian, brazilian, spanish, german padamellam paarkarathillaindra theiyriam. Having a collection of all cannibal films I didn't bother to check because I know how cheap he gets into his film making from his earlier works and the amount of remix songs Pudupettai classic'am now AO eppa mudiyalada saami with all these hokum and ballyhoos.

Scale!! Good find...Pora nelamaya paarthaa nammalum music podalaamnu nenakiren....Yethavathu oru english paatta eduthu, tempo,scale maathi,percussion ah konjam slighta change panni podalaamnu nenakiren.... :D

[Scale]

The less I talk its better. idula bandhava petti vera naan uruvurathe illai arasiyal vaathinga maathiri statement vera. I am ready to quit if proven. I am still to recover from the idiot box scenes from YNM, now A0. In 300, the spartans are fully guarded and the sheids they have are big, hard and strong as himalayan rocks where in A0 the karpanai kathapathirams of Chozhars were bare chested and the sheilds they defend are like large sized paper plates which will not even cover your smiling face and they try to defend kneeling & standing when the rivals have advanced weapons. Even in SR's wildest dreams of film making of ancient and post modern war sequences he could not employ this technique. What is more outrageously funny is when they shot those guys jump 60d forward and sidewards. I thought like blowing his ** brains off. A writer/Director can be nasty, filthy but should not be this stupid. Its better you do e-adichaan kaapi than goofing off brainlessly. My only interest in A0 was karthi but he also turns out to be a zer0 there. An exercise to find out the no. of Zer0's in 1000 is much better than watching this garbage.

[music man]

Scale!!! Almost all of them who watched the movie are praising it. I would not like to come into a conclusion without seeing the movie. But by what I saw in the TV clippings, I was not impressed..May be the video in the television is inferior(I have Dish TV)..The graphics are very normal and I could recollect a scene in which Karthi has to handle both the heroines and should escape from the snakes...Rerecording was abysmally poor and noisy...

[Scale]

Epic fail (http://www.scalerevolves.blogspot.com/)

[naarayanan]

Scale!! Good find...Pora nelamaya paarthaa nammalum music podalaamnu nenakiren....Yethavathu oru english paatta eduthu, tempo,scale maathi,percussion ah konjam slighta change panni podalaamnu nenakiren.... :D

recently we chatted with percussion purushothaman of raja team @ilayaraja yahoo groups meeting.

when asked 'why there are no assts. from raja team who became mds later?' he said "we musicians used to talk like this in a lighter vein. other mds assts. think, if this person can score music, why not me? whereas raja's team people think if i should become a md i shud equal or better raja - which is impossible. so there were not many who tried."

[Sanjeevi]

Scale!! Good find...Pora nelamaya paarthaa nammalum music podalaamnu nenakiren....Yethavathu oru english paatta eduthu, tempo,scale maathi,percussion ah konjam slighta change panni podalaamnu nenakiren.... :D

recently we chatted with percussion purushothaman of raja team @ilayaraja yahoo groups meeting.

when asked 'why there are no assts. from raja team who became mds later?' he said "we musicians used to talk like this in a lighter vein. other mds assts. think, if this person can score music, why not me? whereas raja's team people think if i should become a md i shud equal or better raja - which is impossible. so there were not many who tried."

:)

innonnu I think, most of them are satisfied in life and don't want to move further

[baroque]

Shri.V.Narasimhan, Music Mogul A.R.Rahman worked for Ilayaraaja.
அச்சமில்லை! அச்சமில்லை! is a one of the HIT album from 80s.
ஆயிரம் பூக்கள் மலரட்டும்! :swinghead:
vinatha.

[naarayanan]

satisfaction is the best thing one can get in life. :D

[baba88]

Hey guys i found this song today and trying to figure out if there is a hindi or tamil song that sounds similar to this. But I havent found out yet. Maybe somebody can help me. ( Especially the chorus sounds so indian)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_vfBWfF4vI

[interz]

link not working, some one blocked on it on youtube.

[baba88]

here is the new link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvyxNksnwd8
(Drake - Find your love)

[app_engine]

May be old news, but I came to know only today :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afmc6FeN-hM&feature=related

(dasAvathAram's 'kallai mattum kaNdAl' is a ditto copy of a malayalam song featuring Priya Raman - as per the youtube comments the boy was Vikram, possibly in his pre-sethu days)

Or was this Malayalam song a copy of some Himesh ReshmaiyA indhi original?

Either way, -ve marks to Kamal!

[K]

ஆரோமலே ஏ.ஆர். ரகுமான் - பிங்க் ப்ளாய்டு- மாத்யூ
பிங்க்

http://nesamithran.blogspot.com/2010/05/blog-post_06.html
பிங்க் ப்ளாய்டு

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1moiym6-Nk


ஏ.ஆர். ரகுமான்


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RlW-6vAWPU

மாத்யூ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgkMvk-5hhA

[dochu]

K,
what a catch!!

Looks like musicians can't live without western CD's. As per his interview, I guess this is how western and eastern music are exchanged.

2 Oscars and grammy and numerous awards...... :roll:

[sathya_1979]

"2 Oscars and grammy and numerous awards......" What these have to do with Aaromale song? Chi Chi indha pazham puLikkum, eh? There are numerous songs which sound similar in blues genre. Genre and copying are two different things bro!

[K]

I personally like VTV songs and I Just Shared what I read with all, dont lose your cool buddies, convey your emotions to the Blogger if you like.

[sathya_1979]

I personally like VTV songs and I Just Shared what I read with all, dont lose your cool buddies, convey your emotions to the Blogger if you like.
K - No probs with ur post. ARR fans very well know that the song Aaromale was based on Blues and may sound similar to another song from same genre. But, the only problem is bringing in Oscar, Grammy etc for each and every anti-ARR post. Do people think that the guys awarding Grammy / Oscar / GG / BAFTA etc blindly follow ARR and give it as a donation without any musical knowledge / sense?

[viraajan]

Courtesy: ItwoFS karthik's twitter:

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAWv2U8kKAY

[satissh_r]

Courtesy: ItwoFS karthik's twitter:

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAWv2U8kKAY

Aval appadi ondrum azhagillaiya? :roll:

[viraajan]

Courtesy: ItwoFS karthik's twitter:

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAWv2U8kKAY

Aval appadi ondrum azhagillaiya? :roll:

nAnum adhE guess thaan panni irukken... :P

[music man]

Great find............

[thumburu]

ஆரோமலே ஏ.ஆர். ரகுமான் - பிங்க் ப்ளாய்டு- மாத்யூ
பிங்க்

http://nesamithran.blogspot.com/2010/05/blog-post_06.html
பிங்க் ப்ளாய்டு

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1moiym6-Nk


ஏ.ஆர். ரகுமான்


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RlW-6vAWPU

மாத்யூ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgkMvk-5hhA
There is an unmistakable influence of PinkFloyd in this song. But ARR raised a different structure with that foundation. Adhu mattuma , those SriRanjini portions are heavily inspired from IR's "thannan thanimaiyil" part , esp after "amudha megal pozhiya vaarungaL..." thereafter.

[app_engine]

[tscii:bcd8e8fef0]Nice article :

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Let-s-call-them-music-producers-please/Article1-543754.aspx



We confuse ourselves by calling people like Pritam ‘music directors’. We take the term to be something akin to ‘composers’, and hence expect originality. Let’s call them ‘music producers’ — those who spot, buy, re-record and mix tunes.

Most of Pritam’s peers will fall under this label. And the real composers will heave a sigh of relief.



[/tscii:bcd8e8fef0]

[sivasub]

Really dont know.. but looks like 'Veera veera' from Ravanan is inspired from the football chant 'ole ole'... listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnFLK4iBcok&feature=related from 0.12 onwards

[dochu]

I see a strong resemblance between Ole ole and veera veera. Now which genre is this from? :-)

[viraajan]

http://www.j.mp/avytSX
and
http://j.mp/aASGX6

:lol2:

Courtesy: Milliblog Karthik.

[NOV]

I see a strong resemblance between Ole ole and veera veera. Now which genre is this from? :-)Don't laugh, but Ole Ole itself is inspired from ....... mahaa ganapathim..

don't believe? see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2OO5aYq4Ug&feature=related

[NOV]

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http://www.j.mp/avytSX[/html:bc60ef39bc] [html:bc60ef39bc]
http://j.mp/aASGX6[/html:bc60ef39bc]



:rotfl:
copy pannuratharkku oru alavE illaama pOchu... even the color of the guys shirts. :evil:

[viraajan]

Few years ago, there was another such movie which copied the still... Thank god not the story :lol:

'Sindhanai Sei' and 'Tale of two sisters'. Check panni parunga... :rotfl:

shabbaa.... mudiyala :sigh2:

[Chelian]

Some people defend copying by saying it is 'inspiration'.
To me both are copy! MDs like Deva are unashamed and do blatant copies. Others take some ideas , beats from western and even other indian songs to come out with with 'new' songs. They think people do not notice.
There are just so many 'inspirational songs' nowdays, that I think indian MDs are running out of real creativity.
1 eg: When i heard Kilimanjaro for the 1st time it reminded me of the opening interlude and base of 'When doves cry' by Prince.
It is not just the MD , even the movie directors are taking bits and parts from western counterparts and making so called 'new' movies and expect people to praise them. People flock to the theaters to see them. WHat choice they have? Better to see a copied quality movie that even worse stupid storied movies.

3 idiots is one of the great feel good movies of recent times that looked very original.

Unnaipol oruvan was critically praised by many. But just how many countless Western movie had the same sub-plot?
In fact Unnaipol oruvan had the feel lof a low budget movie, with unextended story line. It started well iwith its copied story. But later the director seem to lost creativity in continuing the story to have more cinematic grandeur.

[baba88]

hey just found that song. can you tell from which tamil song this is copied ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8N7zy8GUgs

[NOV]

Listen to the 4th song in this list
aaththoram manaleduththu

http://www.in.com/music/vaazhkkai-vaazhvartharke/songs-55961.html

and tell me which new song was copied. :P

[interz]

Kattala Kannale - Anjathe (sundar babu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXb-GN8MXM

heavily inspired/duped from Dum Dum Dum song in Murari (music by manisharma)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-EhhoGNP4U

[NOV]

Listen to the 4th song in this list
aaththoram manaleduththu

http://www.in.com/music/vaazhkkai-vaazhvartharke/songs-55961.html

and tell me which new song was copied. :PThe song is pEsugirEn pEsugirEn idhayam pEsugirEn :P


NEXT: azhagu kutty chellam from the same movie.
Which song was it copied from?

[Querida]

NEXT: azhagu kutty chellam from the same movie.
Which song was it copied from?

NOV-san please answer soon, I can't place it though it sounds very familiar...and frankly it's driving me crazy!

[NOV]

:lol:

I am surprised that yuvan copied from this rather popular song ............ of the 80s.

The song or rather, the singer, was unique. :P

[Querida]

:lol:

I am surprised that yuvan copied from this rather popular song ............ of the 80s.

The song or rather, the singer, was unique. :P

NOOOOOOOOOOV-san...too cruel!!!

I asked for answer not clues! Still :idontgetit:

[NOV]

Jen, I can't do that to you. :P


azhagu kutty chellam
unnai aLLi thookum pOdhu
un pinju viralgaL mOdhi
naan nenjam udaindhu pOnEn

veththala pOtta shOkkula
naan gappunnu kuththunnE mookula
ada vandhadhu paaru raththam
indha amaran manasu suththam

[Querida]

Hmmmm.....

NOV-san first of all thank you!! :D

but funny thing is...um I never even heard that first song before... :oops: :noteeth:

[Mahen]

Nov, samanthame illai :roll: both are completely different..

[NOV]

:rotfl:

[SoftSword]

nov, both the tunes progress the similar way initially and there are similarities in the pallavi...
but i think the similarity ends there and later on they are quite different...

[Plum]

sandham seems to be close avLO dhAn. vuttA
pEsuvadhu kiLiyA, mAmbazhathu vaNdu, vIdu varai uravu ellAm same tune-nu solluvAr pOla!

[ajaybaskar]

:lol:

[NOV]

nov, both the tunes progress the similar way initially and there are similarities in the pallavi...
but i think the similarity ends there and later on they are quite different...yeah, I didnt say that the whole song is copied.

[Sanjeevi]

nov, both the tunes progress the similar way initially and there are similarities in the pallavi...
but i think the similarity ends there and later on they are quite different...yeah, I didnt say that the whole song is copied.

then one can prove each & every song is copied :P

[viraajan]

Interesting lift by D Imman.!

Mynaa's is 'Kaiya Pudi'. This song seems to be massively influenced by a completely unlikely original - the song, 'Can I Have This Dance?', from the OST of High School Musical 3 (2008)!!!! There are many cues that link these seemingly unlikely tracks together - the starting is similar, tune-wise and even the lyrics seem to be inspired. The Tamil song goes, 'Kaiya pudi, kannu paaru, ul moochu vaangu, nejodu nee', which means, 'Take my hand, look into my eyes, take a deep breath...'.

Now, compare it to the first 4 lines in the original,
"Take my hand, take a breath
Pull me close and take one step
Keep your eyes locked on mine,
And let the music be your guide."

Apart from that, even the line in the original that goes, 'Oh no mountains too high enough, oceans too wide...'Cause together or not, our dance won't stop...' has a tune that matches with the line in the Tamil song that goes, 'Medhuvaa paadu edhayaavadhu...'. And there are more such small, but definitely identifiable cues that nail this lift. Despite it's uncredited source, the Tamil song remains a lovely composition that Imman can be almost proud of, but for this small black mark! The way he adapts the original into a Tamil variant shows the remarkable imagination that gone into this plagiarism effort!

Read more and listen to Original: http://www.itwofs.com/

[MumbaiRamki]

ada paavigala , lyrics kuda kaapiya !!!!

[kingvj]

TFM page-il mudhal murayaaga.. pudhiya thread.. "copied lyrics". Local-la irundhu international level varaikkum copy adicha lyrics patriya thread. Kaana thavaraadheergal..! :d

[interz]

A little odd find:


Kuruvi - Palaanadhu (released 2008)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNUz6jhx4_Q


Yuri - Ya para que (released 2010)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkgsD48oLhs

Usually im used to find other language songs remade in tamil.

[SoftSword]

A little odd find:

Yuri - Ya para que (released 2010)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkgsD48oLhs

Kuruvi - Palaanadhu (released 2008)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNUz6jhx4_Q

Usually im used to find other language songs remade in tamil.

interz,
songs order change pannunga...
naan vazhakkam polanu nenachuten...

[kingvj]

Aaha.. aduththa poster idhudhaan... " Mexico super star engal ilaya thalapathi" (a la Japanese Rajini). Andha Yuri oru Mexican Deva-vo? :lol:

[kingvj]

The female humming in the beginning of the song 'Sinthayiley' from Kalavani (SS Kumaran) looks to be a rip off the song 'Desert Rose' from Sting.

Sting song here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjHkj-uSt_Y

Sshabba... 2011 kanakku aarambichaachu..!

[kingvj]

One more.. 'Thagiduthaththam' from Manmadhan Ambu - the beginning guitar sounds similar to the iconic 'Beat It' main hook. I guess its just me..!

[rajrhythmsindia]

Hi Friends C.K.MADHAVA RAJ,

Ulagamellam Intha Tamil Paattu
Ada Nilavu Saayunataada Enna Rate
Western Engalukku Vilayattu
No Problem! . .

Kizhakku Ulagathai Annalil Merkku Ulagam Aandanavey
Indru Merkku Ulagathai Kizhakku Ulagam Aalkindaranavey
No Problem! . . .

A.R.RAHMAN Songs Copied International Artists .

Original Song

1)Gentle Man - Ottagathai Kattigo.

Copy Song

Anggun - Etre Une Femme,

La Caution - Pilotes Auto Matiques.

Original Song

2)Bombay - Kannaleney(Hindi Version).

Copy Song

Ciara - Turn Tables.

Original Song

3)Bombay - Theme Music.

Copy Song

Lowenherz - Bis In Die Ewikeit.

Original Song

4)Duet - Anjali Anjali.

Copy Song

Ne Yo - So Sick

Original Song

5)Kadhal Desham - Mustefa.

Copy Song

Iroda Dilroza - Kogillar Boglandi.

Original Song

6)Alaypayuthey - Kadhal Sadugudu.

Copy Song

Iroda Dilroz - Birinchi Sevgi.

Original Song

7)Guru - Mayya Mayya.

Copy Song

Jelena Kerleusa - Mala Mala.

Original Song

8)Bombay Dreams(Album) - Shakkalaka Baby.

Copy Song

Kelly Poon - Shakkalaka Baby.

ILAYA RAJA Songs

Original Song

Sri Ragavendhirar - Unakkum Enakkum.

Copy Song

Black Eyed Peas - The Elephunk Theme.

Original Song

Thala Pathi - Kaatu Kuyilu.

Copy Song

M I A - Bamboo Banger.

OTHER Songs

Original Song

Jayam - Thiruvizhannu Vantha.

Copy Song

Maya (MIA) - Bird Flu.

Original Song

Kuruvi - Palaanadhu
Palaanadhu.

Copy Song

Yuri - Ya Para Que.

[raamrams]

usuma larasey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_HJxn4EzW4

sounds similar to
florida right round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re5vZ-CTFWs

[viraajan]

If not posted already :oops:

http://www.itwofs.com/

GVP's latest!

[NOV]

Original of Yuvan's manasu rendum paarkka


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwmo3voTCKI

[viraajan]

:sigh2: Seriously i did not expect this from you, Nov :rotfl: pudhusA edhAvadhu irundhA kondu vAnga... :lol2: nAn post panninen pArunga, latest-a... andha madiri!

[NOV]

why vidya? exposure has a shelf life? :think:

[Mahen]

VR, yuvan too is not a saint :)

[viraajan]

Mahen, can I know why you are bringing in Yuvan now? :lol2: Just because you feel offended becauze I posted GVP's lift, you are dragging Yuvan here? Weak on your side.

BTW, Sad that you did not understand the intention of my post.

[Mahen]

chill VR..summathaan :) was a boring sunday so that of having fun :lol2:

[viraajan]

Very nice :D Hope you had enough.... i mean the fun :)

[interz]

Don't know if its posted in this thread before, but its new to me:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSdfNJ3PgBM

[Mahen]

definitely not a copy :) maybe kulu kulu and kuru kuru sound similar..avlothaan :lol2:

[SoftSword]

mahen, its not just the words, the tunes starts same and dangerously similar if not same.
i heard this song the first time when watching this movie, and i always felt like i am hearing the kuru kuru song...
andha padam review pottapove idhayum ezhudhinen. audiola rendayum oru murai kekkanum.

[music man]

Yes...Even i felt the same..I saw the movie yesterday. When I heard the song "KULU KULU VEN PANI POLA", I was instantly reminded of "KURU KURU" song. People may feel both are different songs..But HJ has definitely taken a cue from the ARR number...It somewhat sounds the same with modified arrangements...

I believe ARR penned for KURU KURU
Now HJ has penned for KULU KULU..It not only rhymes the same but also the composers have penned the lyrics...Many things in common.....:-)

[music man]

KULU KULU VENPANI POLA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lojB24e2M10

KURU KURU(COUPLES RETREAT): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIn4Nldtf1Q

[music man]

This may not be termed as copying...But here Yuvan has surely taken a cue from the Jeniffer Lopez number...Case of inspiration..
Waiting for tonight by Jeniffer Lopez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_66jPJVS4JE

Poongatre by Yuvan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9KDLygTNo4

[dochu]

Just heard 'Engeyum kathal' song from Engeyum kaathal by shameless HJ. I see a very good resemblance.

Engeyum kaathal....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kktf7V4ymI

Stranger in moscow by Michael Jackson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEEMi2j6lYE

[mexicomeat]

I have mentioned this in another thread:

IR: from movie sathiyavan - eppovum naan thaanda
http://www.tamilbase.com/songs/Best%20Of%20Illayaraja/S/Sathiyavan%201994/Saththiyavaan%20-%20Eppavum%20Naan%20Thaandaa%20Ingor.mp3

rehash of his own superhit - chithirai sevvanam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx9rnhoILLw

[mexicomeat]

Kattala Kannale - Anjathe (sundar babu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXb-GN8MXM

heavily inspired/duped from Dum Dum Dum song in Murari (music by manisharma)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-EhhoGNP4U
even the so-called original is copied from a marathi song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz9zvCDy4SA

[mahen01]

Heavily Inspired Thiruda Thiruda - Rasathi song (Music ARR) - Original is South Arican Album "

Thiruda Thiruda - Rasathi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOQpd5Hwgs4
Original
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLiazZnPcz8

[SoftSword]

mahen, link mariduchu... give the correct link pls.

[ajaybaskar]

Che... Rahman ippadi pannuvaarunnu nenaikkala.. :-(

[sathya_1979]

what resemblence / inspiration? :confused2: :roll:

[mahen01]

I didnt say copy.. I just said insppired.
alum - The best of ladysmith black mambazo star and the wiseman
track 1, track 3 and track 19

[Mahen]

Heavily Inspired Thiruda Thiruda - Rasathi song (Music ARR) - Original is South Arican Album "

Thiruda Thiruda - Rasathi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOQpd5Hwgs4
Original
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLiazZnPcz8

:banghead:

[mahen01]

copying, inspired different words
Some of HJ's songs are inspired from ARR Sangamam song - original, Thoti jeya song inspired.. same as you can compare ARR's song with that album (Track 3 and 19 are sounds more close..couldnt find it in youtube)..

Where as Deva's songs are pure e adichan copy

[satissh_r]

Other than it being Acapella (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acappella_%28group%29) I don't find any similarities

[Mahen]

copying, inspired different words
Some of HJ's songs are inspired from ARR Sangamam song - original, Thoti jeya song inspired.. same as you can compare ARR's song with that album (Track 3 and 19 are sounds more close..couldnt find it in youtube)..

Where as Deva's songs are pure e adichan copy
thambi, i know the difference btw copying and being inspired :evil: but what you have provided doesnt even have the slightest resemblance..eppadi heavily inspired solla mudiyum?

[mahen01]

Well.. It does for me.. When I listen to that african cd tracks song 1. 3 and 19. Made me look for the tamil song which I heard long long time ago.. didnt even remember what song and made me find the song..

If you say there is no resemblance between these songs, I assume you didnt find any slightest similarites between Achyvellam - Thoti Jeya and Then moliye - Sangamam.

I just posted that link because most ARR fans quickly jump on Harris whenever he release albums saying inspired/copied from ARR. Thats too much. I dont find any copy from Harris song.. did find some inspiration from ARR songs. Ofcourse he worked with ARR he will have ARR's inpirations.. Saying that ARR has his inspirations from other sources too.

[ajaybaskar]

Now we understand your point, Mahen V 2.0.. :-)

தேன்மொழியே from சங்கமம்னு சொன்னபோதே நான் சுதாரிச்சுட்டேன்.. :-)

[SoftSword]

oh adhukku dhaanaa idhu...
pirste sollirukkalaam illa... gubeer'nu otthukkitruppom.

[ajaybaskar]

Indha latchanathula neenga link maariduchunnu vera solreenga,SS. :hammer:

[SoftSword]

Indha latchanathula neenga link maariduchunnu vera solreenga,SS. :hammer:

naan sonnadha neenga sariya purinjukkala ajay. :)
wait and think.

[ajaybaskar]

அட நீங்க வேற.. நாம ரெண்டு பேரும் வெட்டியா பொழுதை ஓட்டிகிட்டு இருக்கோம்னு சொல்ல வந்தேன்.

[interz]

Pa pa pa - Deiva Thirumagal is a copy.

listen to:
Whistle stop - Roger Miller (1967), from 1.23 on video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMmjJ0fb5Js

[viraajan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6L0kxCIaM4

Very close. Same beats with only the background music being different!

Disappointed..after quite a long time! :cry:

[NOV]

more disappointment... this is a copy, not an inspiration...


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5587465906480886031

[Mahen]

Nov, enna pattu? sounds familiar ..but cant recall..my contribution..same beats but different tune

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYqB7A5wH8E&feature=related

[baba88]

Nov, enna pattu? sounds familiar ..but cant recall..my contribution..same beats but different tune

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYqB7A5wH8E&feature=related

ivan yaaro - minnale - harris jeyaraj

[NOV]

Some people have asked me in PM on what is the difference between copy and inspiration
well, it really depends on the person. one man's copy is another man's inspiration and vice versa.
for me, akkarai seemai azhaginilE is a copy of this piece:



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5587465906480886031

In contrast, can we call ABC nee vaasi, as an inspiration from this piece?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmlAus-ClQ4

[NOV]

everyone does it..... Ilaiyaraja, AR Rahman, Yuvan, Harris Jeyraj
agappadum varai ellOrum nallavarE



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oOdHPX-22c&feature=related

[ajaybaskar]

We have discussed here zillion times about the ARR thing. When the same loop is used by 2 composers, the first one to release will be original and the second one will be 'COPY'. Tell me one ARR song which has a similar tune to another song.

[Plum]

Tell me one ARR song which has a similar tune to another song
- indha copy vishayathula NOV is an extremist. DSP-GVP-HJ-vum IR_ARR-um oNNu :)
so namma partners in this thread....but...

But pEsum maNi muthu rojakkal - pennalla pennalla oodhappoo, more than a passign resemblance.

[SoftSword]

you will not get a reply ajay.
when i tried to explain in another thread, i did not get a reply too.

[ajaybaskar]

pEsum maNi muthu rojakkal - pennalla pennalla oodhappoo
Sahara - Orey Naal
Enna Vilai azhage - Thangapadhakkathin Melae..

Idhellam orey raagathil amaindha paadalgal. He has shown creativity and uniqueness which has distinguished him from the other MDs and thats why he is ARR. But comparing him to blatant lifters like x,y,z is something irritating.

[NOV]

plum, everyone copies = all are the same?
I stand by the statement that everyone has copied. so no moral high ground please.

ajay, why does a talented musician need to use commercial loops?
plum has mentioned one song, there are many others throughout his career.

[ajaybaskar]

Using commercial loops is 10000000000000 times better than stealing someone else's creativity.

[Plum]

Ajay, it is more than orE ragathil amaindha paadal. The pallavi is literally the same.
Actually, I am not sure if they are the same raga, paradoxical as it sounds.
It is a bit like Yeh Dil Deewana-Inji Iduppazhagi.

AFAIK, there is nothing like a blatant lift in Rahman's career except for the starting phrase of Enna Vilai Azhage. Even IR has Kanavu Kaanum Vaazhkai which is ditto of Kasme Vaade Pyar Wafaa. Even the other ones quoted by NOV can be in disputed territory between copy and inspired. This one's complete line by line lift. There are stories around exchange of Ilaya nilaa and this one. But I just cannot imagine a sane reason why he did that.

Another one is Khaike Paan Banaraswala in the Telugu version of Don. That one was supposed to be due to NTR pressure, and it is understandable that IR wasnt influential in Telugu in late 70s. But in the 80s in tamil, he could have simply said Balu M to f-off if the latter insisted on lifting kasme vaade. Dont know why he didnt do that.

[ajaybaskar]

There were some ppl who compared 'Vaazhkaiye Alai pole' and 'Mukkaala'. Compared to that, this accusation is way better. :-)

[SoftSword]

ajay... commercial loop'na enna?
adhoda amma yaar? appa yaar?
enna kolam? enna gothram?

idha konjam vilakkamaa sollunga.

[ajaybaskar]

Softy,

Loops are bits of music, generally electronic, which gets repeated. There are loop banks which sells loops to musicians all over the world. They can use it as it is or can alter using delays, fusing 2 or more different loops.

[satissh_r]

Ajay and Softy, this might help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_%28music%29

and also this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_loop

[Plum]

There were some ppl who compared 'Vaazhkaiye Alai pole' and 'Mukkaala'. Compared to that, this accusation is way better. :-)

In the mid-90s, I remember Anu Malik saying in one interview that Mukkala was nothing but pyaar hua ikraar hua from Shree 420. He sang the two pallavis one after another and they did sound similar. But then life later thought me the lesson that whatever Anu Malik sings, they all sound like the same tune :lol:

[ajaybaskar]

Pyaar hua is the condom song, right?

[Plum]

ennadhu kaandam songA?
:shock:

[SoftSword]

Pyaar hua is the condom song, right?

finally someone remembers that song as how i do.
idha dhaan naan sila pala vaaratthukku munnaala oru threadla kaetaen... yaarukkum puriyala..

[ajaybaskar]

Softy,

Neer endra thalapathy... :thumbsup:

[SoftSword]

Softy,

Neer endra thalapathy... :thumbsup:

CC'la neer'aagaram patthi pesuradhukkaga solringala?

[app_engine]

Plum,
pEsum maNi muthu rOjAkkaL (father of peNNalla peNNalla) has its own parent - chim chimney chim chimney chim chim cheroo of the Disney classic Mary Poppins :-)

Ofcourse, it can be called inspiration :-)

[MADDY]

Tell me one ARR song which has a similar tune to another song
- indha copy vishayathula NOV is an extremist. DSP-GVP-HJ-vum IR_ARR-um oNNu :)
so namma partners in this thread....but...

But pEsum maNi muthu rojakkal - pennalla pennalla oodhappoo, more than a passign resemblance.

sometimes sandhams too match and it sounds similar like case of orey naal and sahana......also, pesum mani muthu rojakkal is itself inspired from mary poppins which is a legendary piece of music like mozart, beethoven symphonies which people still use it as reference in their music........for IR too, en purusan dhaan and dum maaro dum sound very similar, we do not know what makes him compose like that, it could have been like paying tribute, which rahman does for so many MSV songs..............

but bracketing ARR with HJ and GVP for copying/inspiration is a joke given the sheer number of copies/inspirations of these composers.........come on, if u cant decide quality atleast look at the quantity :lol:

[NOV]

Idhellam orey raagathil amaindha paadalgal. Ajay, this is to be expected. No one accepts their idol copies. :lol:
Ok, do you agree that there are 100s of songs in sivaranjani raagam? Now, how do they NOT sound alike? meaning not the same tune?


Using commercial loops is 10000000000000 times better than stealing someone else's creativity.OK, let me agree with you on this.
But you have not answered my question.

OK, shall we leave it instead of opening the proverbial can of worms.
Lets just agree that EVERYONE copies. (please don't come back with "but....)

[ajaybaskar]

No. Not everyone copies.

[music man]

Hi all!!

First of all each and every composer have their own inspirations. ARR had a few..He followed Vangelis, Dave Grusnin, Peter Gabriel and Pat Metheny very closely...Listen to the arrangements in "Netrillaatha Maatram" and Pat Metheny's "Last Train Home"...This is the classic case of inspiration....and you will be surprised to hear the similar arrangements...

Its very true, ARR has never copied a song fully and blatantly like his peers...There are sure inspirations..He is a clever musician who wanted to sound different and he has at times used tricks like taking the chord structure of a song and slightly modify it and fitting a new tune to it..The starting chord structure and beats of "Rhythm of Pride Lands" and "Poo Pookum oosai are similar..He creates a new tune out of no where...And there is this commercial loop thing..ARR himself admitted in one of his old interviews that he made an error by using the loop that Dr. Alban had used in his "Om We Rembwe"....Only after that, he started building his own loops..and expanded his library...

If one observes the songs, "Thenmerku Paruva Kaatru, Mukkaabula and Sundaraa(Super Police)" songs, it all had the same beats and the underlying chords pattern of the " Om We Rembwe" song..Here lies the brilliance of the composer...he has created a brilliant atmosphere in all the three songs...

If one follows the music of Indian film music, one can find lots and lots of songs with same beats but with extra ordinary tunes..IR experimented with mind blowing tunes and arrangements but used the same beat (predominant tabla usage) for many songs...There is nothing wrong in it...and when comes to western beats, people claim it to be a copy...There are lot of commercial loops and royalty free loops available in the internet and available with DAWs that anyone can use for their creations..There are several songs we hear daily and well immersed in our mind, and when composing, these permutations and combinations result in familiar tunes...After all music has only seven swaras....Really pity the composers...Lets enjoy the songs and surely ARR is a legend and has proved a lot and it will be very unfair to compare him to GVP, HJ and DSP......

[SoftSword]

thanks for the info musicman...
though this has been discussed n number of times, i wanted someone like u to give a explanation on what it is for everyone here to know.

[app_engine]

Reg. loops :

Invigilator catches in the ejjAm hall a student who tries to copy from bittu...and the student says inside his heart:
"maththavenellAm sondhakkaNdupidippA ezhudhuRAn? book-la irukkaRadha kAppi thAnE adikkuRAinga?"

[NOV]

No. Not everyone copies.yes, not not mozart beethoven bach chopin, not Sri Thyagaraja Swami, Muthuswami Dikshithar, Shyama Shastri.
I was only refering to Tamil film music industry.

[music man]

Pat Metheny- Last Train Home


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmJdCpEPIWs&feature=related

A.R.Rahman- Netrilatha Matram


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNR8Ra6ILpo

ARR is just inspired by the arrangements and he has composed a beautiful evergreen number....

[groucho070]

Music Man, we need more of your services. Thanks for the excellent explanation on "inspiration" and the links.

[music man]

yes, not not mozart beethoven bach chopin, not Sri Thyagaraja Swami, Muthuswami Dikshithar, Shyama Shastri.
I was only refering to Tamil film music industry.

NOV Sir!!! Who knows..Even Mozart, Beethoven,Bach, Chopin and own carnatic and hindustani gurus will have their own inspirations...Those days, our composers took inspirations from their own folk music....Neenga solra western composers ellaarum avanga country music aalaa inspire aanavanga thaan....

[ajaybaskar]

Hi all!!

First of all each and every composer have their own inspirations. ARR had a few..He followed Vangelis, Dave Grusnin, Peter Gabriel and Pat Metheny very closely...Listen to the arrangements in "Netrillaatha Maatram" and Pat Metheny's "Last Train Home"...This is the classic case of inspiration....and you will be surprised to hear the similar arrangements...

Its very true, ARR has never copied a song fully and blatantly like his peers...There are sure inspirations..He is a clever musician who wanted to sound different and he has at times used tricks like taking the chord structure of a song and slightly modify it and fitting a new tune to it..The starting chord structure and beats of "Rhythm of Pride Lands" and "Poo Pookum oosai are similar..He creates a new tune out of no where...And there is this commercial loop thing..ARR himself admitted in one of his old interviews that he made an error by using the loop that Dr. Alban had used in his "Om We Rembwe"....Only after that, he started building his own loops..and expanded his library...

If one observes the songs, "Thenmerku Paruva Kaatru, Mukkaabula and Sundaraa(Super Police)" songs, it all had the same beats and the underlying chords pattern of the " Om We Rembwe" song..Here lies the brilliance of the composer...he has created a brilliant atmosphere in all the three songs...

If one follows the music of Indian film music, one can find lots and lots of songs with same beats but with extra ordinary tunes..IR experimented with mind blowing tunes and arrangements but used the same beat (predominant tabla usage) for many songs...There is nothing wrong in it...and when comes to western beats, people claim it to be a copy...There are lot of commercial loops and royalty free loops available in the internet and available with DAWs that anyone can use for their creations..There are several songs we hear daily and well immersed in our mind, and when composing, these permutations and combinations result in familiar tunes...After all music has only seven swaras....Really pity the composers...Lets enjoy the songs and surely ARR is a legend and has proved a lot and it will be very unfair to compare him to GVP, HJ and DSP......

ஒரு வார்த்தையில் சொல்லவேண்டுமானால் 'நச்'. :clap:

[SoftSword]

NOV Sir!!! Who knows..Even Mozart, Beethoven,Bach, Chopin and own carnatic and hindustani gurus will have their own inspirations...Those days, our composers took inspirations from their own folk music....Neenga solra western composers ellaarum avanga country music aalaa inspire aanavanga thaan....


rendu murai explain panniyum purinjukkalaenaa etthana murai explain pannaalum purinjukkamaattaanga musicman...

[sathya_1979]

All our knowledge is acquired knowledge. It is the application that separates the great from others.

[Plum]

No, no Sathya. nAnlAm poRandhappOvE Englis-la pisthu. Infact, the first word I uttered was "mummy" not amma. That's why everyone except me is a copycat in the world. nInga ellOrumE amma-nu dhAn modha word solli irukkInga

[NOV]

still living in denial I see.... no matter whether you get annoyed, upset, disappointed, the fact remains...

when it comes to your favourites, its inspiration
all others, its copy

let us not reinvent the wheel

[NOV]

still living in denial I see.... no matter whether you get annoyed, upset, disappointed, the fact remains...

when it comes to your favourites, its inspiration
all others, its copy

let us not reinvent the wheel

[NOV]

ok, for a change, here is Vijay Anthony's copy/inspiration


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgyK7hOX4tM&feature=related

[NOV]

and the hugely popular aval appadi ondrum azhagillai


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAWv2U8kKAY

[NormalMan]

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2011/august/100811.asp

[NOV]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/295902_165570010184142_100001934330886_370168_3970 636_n.jpg

[ajaybaskar]

NOV Anna,

This is a fan (yaaroda fangradhu vera vishayam) made poster of Yohan. Not officially released one.

[NOV]

thanks ajay... I thot gautham had also bitten the dust :lol:

[SoftSword]

ajay... i dont think its fanmade...
all the stills released as of now are morphed with a famour still from a hollywood movie, attaching vijays head...
this looks like a deliberate publicity stunt by GVM.. jus like he did for VTV, with simbu and trisha in that famous uyirae pose in red cloth, AP pose in yellow shawl, then kaakka kaakka pose...

[ajaybaskar]

SS<

There were only 4 stills released for the film and this is not one of them.

[SoftSword]

ok, even if we exclude this, the other official stills released were all worked in the manner i mentioned above...
there was nothing more than a face morphing with some tone adjustment and background change....

[music man]

I dunno if this is posted already...In a curious case, YSR has taken the main phrase of "Kyun Zindagi Ki Raah Mein Majboor Ho Gaye - Saath Saath" sung by Chitra Singh as his prelude-intro for his song "Namma Kaatula-Pattiyal"...Dunno how to term it...Might be intended...

The links are as under:

Chitra Singh - Kyun Zindagi Ki Raah Mein Majboor Ho Gaye - Saath Saath( 1982)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8-iG8K0h-A

Namma Kaatula Pattiyal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3NagDeEKoc

[kingvj]

Is this my 'ennadhu, Indhiyavukku sudhandhiram kedachiducha' moment? I find 'Kaadhal vaithu kaadhal vaithu' (Deepavali)'s first line tune to be similar to 'Venmegam pennaga' (Yaaradi Nee Mogini).

[baba88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsNiDkZmFqU

[NOV]

Here is the original to Deva's konja naal poru thalaivaa oru vanji kodi varuvaa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvIQFMz771Q&feature=related

[kingvj]

'Aambalaikkum pombalaikkum avasaram' from new 'Kazhugu' seems to be a rehash of 'Aandavan mogathey paakanum' from 'Kalyana Oorvalam'(?).. tune for the first two lines.

[music man]

SHOCKING FIND

Today I was watching the tamil movie "Mounaguru". It had music by Thaman. When I listened to the end titles of the movie, I was shocked as I had heard it some where. Yuvan has copied the end credits music of Mounaguru and had used the same orchestration in his musical hit number "Aathaadi manasu thaan" from the movie Kazhugu.

Original : End Credits of Mouna Guru (2011)
Copy : Aathaadi manasu thaan from Kazhugu (2012).

Listen to the BGM...Everyone will be stunned....Or...is it again a case of both the composers inspired from an another number????

[kingvj]

IR copying from Yuvan? I haven't heard the tracks to validate this.

http://www.writercsk.com/2008/11/blog-post_25.html

[NOV]

Mona lisa mona lisa (Mr. Romeo) Original


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZLK8AZx8kXY


Listen 1:50 for confirmation :D

[dochu]

@Nov,
Good find. Cleverly masked.

[kingvj]

Alibaba/40 thirudargal song goes Kannada .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3_RikCaKUc .. was the song already in Kannada anyway?

[viraajan]

SHOCKING FIND

Today I was watching the tamil movie "Mounaguru". It had music by Thaman. When I listened to the end titles of the movie, I was shocked as I had heard it some where. Yuvan has copied the end credits music of Mounaguru and had used the same orchestration in his musical hit number "Aathaadi manasu thaan" from the movie Kazhugu.

Original : End Credits of Mouna Guru (2011)
Copy : Aathaadi manasu thaan from Kazhugu (2012).

Listen to the BGM...Everyone will be stunned....Or...is it again a case of both the composers inspired from an another number????

Holy crap! :shock: True this is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dvYeYa_Ovg

[viraajan]

Well!!!

Kazhugu Audio released on 23-Nov-2011.... Mounaguru movie released in Dec-2011!

Now you know!! :P :P

[dochu]

I find Soi soi song from Kumki to be similar with Raman aandalum from mullum malarum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOHADbiScgs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8YfsP_CPz4

[stULana]

Not sure if this has been mentioned earlier..just realized this last night and was :shock:

Last night on Kalaignar TV, they showed the movie Maanavan (1970). Wiki says: "Maanavan is a Tamil language film starring Jaishankar, Muthuraman and Lakshmi in the lead roles. Kamal Haasan appears only for a dance sequence along with Kutty Padmini. This was Kamal Haasan's first adult role after a 7-year hiatus."

Jaishankar is the hero playing a college lecturer, while Muthuraman plays the baad student. There is a (group) song the comes when Jaishankar and students go on an outing - Visiladichaan kunjugaLaa kunjugaLaa. Can you guess who copied this tune?

It is the most popular (eternal!) Chithiram Pesudhadi's Vaala meenukkum by Sunder C. Babu/Gaana Ulaganaadhan. They now owe us one such "original" ;-)

Maanavan's (1970) Visiladichaan kunjugaLaa kunjugaLaa: http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/album/T0001673.html
Chithiram Pesudhadi's (2006) Vaala meenukkum: http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/moviedetail.asp?mid=T0000784

[NOV]

Not sure if this has been mentioned earlier..just realized this last night and was :shock:already shared when the song was riding high. :)

[stULana]

already shared when the song was riding high. :)

Oh! Thank you. I missed it then.

[NOV]

MD Dhina on Manothodu Mano

Kumbida pona deivam from manmadha raasa

Uppu thanni from gangai karai thottam

[abbydoss1969]

I always thought ARR's New york nagaram was a special song.Now I come across this jazz music.So, what do u think ? is it a copy or inspiration?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP-CS0rfA80

[NOV]

Total damage :rotfl:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6o6kXi44Coo

[Mahen]

the last 30 secs nonsense..the rest acceptable, all copied :)

[NormalMan]

Original --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNrmAydAzpA

Kaappi --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EYWHSg6UJw

[dochu]

@NomalMan,
Fantastic find!!. Shameless GVP

[SVN]

Susheela Raman is no original singer. She takes traditional songs, bhajans etc. and distorts them so badly.. There are still takers for her albums!!

Yes, GVP's arrangements for Yathee are very imilar to her version.. Here are two examples of the traditional bhajan "Bolo Bolo Sab Mil Bolo Om Namah Shivaya"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqnoMTxEdYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR-RsyCGo5w

[Vysar]

Interpolation is a new word for copying. It has been caught on with pop music where one singer admires other singers song and uses that in his/her song. In some cases the singer who originally created a song gets compensated for being interpolated.

So the current generation MD of TFM Harris, Yuvan, GVP, Vijay Antony, Anirudh etc could be termed as interpolators not copiers
Even Deva in 1990s interpolated lot of songs with the admiration of IR songs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=interpolation&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari#fp=8f6626d012373ea8&hl=en&q=interpolation+music+definition

[Vysar]

Irandam Ulagam trailor makes me think it might interpolate to original Hollywood movie Cloud Atlas :)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1371111/

[NOV]

So the current generation MD why single out current MDs as though earlier MDs are angels... :boo:

[dochu]

whatever way you call it, to me - it is the most disgusting and should be a punishable offense. It is a grand larceny because they charge crores for each movie, develop a clout / image etc and make even more. All at the expense of somebody's intellect. If prime ministers can lose their positions for plagiarising text, these folks deserve the same.

On a more philosophical level, how can they live themselves like this? They obviously stole something and still put up a smile for cameras? Disgusting people!

[JamesDap]

Folks, I heard this song today on the radio and I am strongly reminded of some Tamil song which I am not able to place. The catch is this Tamil song is most likely from the noughties and the song I am going to post now is from mid-90s. :twisted: Love will save the day by Des'ree. Anybody got an idea which one this might be:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEksW3CZdkY

Oh by the way, it MAY not even be a copy, just some resemblance. But it evoked the pallavi of some Tamil song very strongly for me and I am not sure it is just my imagination going wild.

[Russellmtp]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but the interludes in a song ("kodiyavanin" something) from Muni Part 2 - Kanchana seems to be heavily inspired from the "kottaya vittu vettaikku pogum Sudalaimada Samy" (S.Janaki version, movie - Chinnathayee) song.

[jaykay78]

Folks, I heard this song today on the radio and I am strongly reminded of some Tamil song which I am not able to place. The catch is this Tamil song is most likely from the noughties and the song I am going to post now is from mid-90s. :twisted: Love will save the day by Des'ree. Anybody got an idea which one this might be:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEksW3CZdkY

Oh by the way, it MAY not even be a copy, just some resemblance. But it evoked the pallavi of some Tamil song very strongly for me and I am not sure it is just my imagination going wild.

i know which tamil song ur referring to.... its a arvindsamy movie......s i agree very strong resemblance....but it may be a coincidence

[JamesDap]

Arvind Swamy....En Swaase Kaatre padam a? Let me check then. The first line of a song from Rhythm is somewhat like this but that is not the song I had in mind.

[JamesDap]

Thirakaatha Kaatukulle...oh, so it is in En Swaasa Kaatre, not Rhythm. No, not this song, I agree that this is more of a coincidence, don't think ARR was inspired by Love will save the day. But I have heard another song with almost the exact opening phrase of the Love will save the day verse with only some gamakams added to Indianise it. But I have only heard it in Super Singer or other contests, not with the visual from the actual film so I am not able to place it.

[JamesDap]

On second thoughts, as I listen again to Love will save the day, the coincidence in the first line is a bit too close for comfort. The chords are different and ARR resolves the first line differently so I am not able to say if it can be called a copy.

[jaykay78]

Thirakaatha Kaatukulle...oh, so it is in En Swaasa Kaatre, not Rhythm. No, not this song, I agree that this is more of a coincidence, don't think ARR was inspired by Love will save the day. But I have heard another song with almost the exact opening phrase of the Love will save the day verse with only some gamakams added to Indianise it. But I have only heard it in Super Singer or other contests, not with the visual from the actual film so I am not able to place it.
That other song u hv in mind, is it recent one r from the 90's??? whose the MD???

[JamesDap]

Definitely not 90s. Maybe last 5-6 years, not older. If it was older than that, I would have known for sure because I was more in touch with TFM at that time. Unfortunately, don't know who the MD might be. Maybe one of the new composers like GVP or Vijay Anthony but, again, just a wild guess. In that song, it was as if the opening verse of Love will save the day was taken and rendered in staccato instead of legato (which is what gave it the Tamil/Carnatic flavour). I am very bad at remembering the words of songs :confused2: otherwise I could have simply googled that and found out by now.

[littlemaster1982]

It sounded like 'Mutham Mutham Muthama' from 12B to me. I may be wrong, though :?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtigtDl0nQc

[JamesDap]

Finally found the song I was referring to.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmAjEu9XcJk

The first line of melody is almost identical to that Love Will Save The Day song I linked earlier.

[ajaybaskar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUeg8Ke0Kok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXpG0kavjUo#aid=P6VNyyogTKA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5jzJaxrmV8

[dochu]

Movie: All in all Azhagu Raja (2013)
MD: Thaman
Song: Unna partha neram
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMjJlE0TXM

Inspired/copied from (?)

Movie: Vai Kozhuppu (1989)
MD: Chandrabose
Song: Yethoedho karpanai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTqBK0hBx0k

[dochu]

Maybe already posted here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAltddaLLf0

Movie: Kadal (2013)
Song: Adiyee....
MD: ARR

Copied from

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRy9e7aNSjg

Album: Ali Farka Toure with Ry Cooder (Talking Timbuktu) (1994)
Artist: Ali Farka Touré (Malian - 1939-2006 RIP)

Maybe Sony Music India and other companies restricts marketing such copied work, true MD's will emerge from India. Until then, western artists should receive oscar.

[NOV]

what is the similarity? :think:

[ajaybaskar]

லின்க் ஏதாச்சும் மாத்தி போட்டுருப்பாரோ? :think:

[dochu]

Are you kidding? :-)

Musical arrangement is very similar and song starts around 1:10.

[ajaybaskar]

I am an ARR fan and u r an IR fan. Let some neutral listen to it and post his thoughts. :)

[JamesDap]

ennakkum onnum puriyala. There is a similar chord progression but it is not a COPY. This 'connection' is circulating for quite sometime on the net. Romba urudhiya vera copy-na solranga, eppadi?

[dochu]

I am not a musician or know any music knowledge. As a layman, it sounds similar and looking at the time difference (1994 vs 2013), I could say who got it from who. And more such past incidents seemed to convince me atleast, pardon, no offense to other fans. Honestly, I don't think one needs to be an expert to make such assumptions, atleast.

If we don't say that is inspired or copied or lifted or whatever, then we can rule out many other incidents like ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXPCiDjU2Sw

[Russellmtp]

ennakkum onnum puriyala. There is a similar chord progression but it is not a COPY. This 'connection' is circulating for quite sometime on the net. Romba urudhiya vera copy-na solranga, eppadi?

eppadi? yenna, adhu Rahman paattu, adhuvum hit song. appadinna, adhu kandippa copya than irukka mudiyum:-)

One need not be an expert to make a casual observation that two songs sound similar. But, to acertain that it is a copy, you definitely need to be one. Songs in some genres may sound similar to a layman but that doesn't mean they were copies. In this case, I wouldn't even call "adiye" an inspiration of the other song, leave alone a copy. As CK says, the chord progressions have some similarity. That's about it. And "adiye" is way better:-)

[NOV]

Ok since we are making far fetched claims povomaa oorgolam is a copy of jingle bells.
Can IR return his title?

[dochu]

நெற்றிகண்ணை திறப்பினும் குற்றம் குற்றமே. There cannot be any exceptions. More than the copy, it is the intention that counts for me. Indians have extreme levels of tolerance, hence it has become a vicious cycle to feed on each other. If there is accountability for one's action, things will improve.

I am sure Sony Music India wouldn't market Britney or somebody's song if sounds similar to other in US or other countries. They will try to avoid lawsuits. Which sadly doesn't exist in India.

I am not justifying anyone, but just extrapolating.....true talent can run its life for more than 950 films. While rest of them disappear soon. Look at following people - Deva, Sirppi, SA Rajkumar etc. Cannot run that long. No matter what we say, MSV, IR etc are exceptional.

[JamesDap]

I am not a musician or know any music knowledge. As a layman, it sounds similar and looking at the time difference (1994 vs 2013), I could say who got it from who. And more such past incidents seemed to convince me atleast, pardon, no offense to other fans. Honestly, I don't think one needs to be an expert to make such assumptions, atleast.

If we don't say that is inspired or copied or lifted or whatever, then we can rule out many other incidents like ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXPCiDjU2Sw



You know what, I have Big Whiskey and the GrooGrux King album in my collection and I have never ever thought of Aaromale as a possible copy. I repeat what I said in the other thread, Western guitar music - be it blues, folk or country - has a long tradition. There is no need for them to use standard keyboard packages, that is not the only way to compose such arrangements. Please listen to some more Western music, the authentic blues/rock stuff especially from a little way back when rather than contemporary top 10 and you will find similar arrangements like Arms of a Woman everywhere.

[NOV]

No matter what we say, MSV, IR etc are exceptional.Please do not club mediocre musicians with legends like MSV. 8-)

[dochu]

Please do not club mediocre musicians with legends like MSV. 8-)

that's a first for me. So IR is mediocre compared to MSV? :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRMs-mIsrGQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZSADBhXBm4

[NOV]

that's a first for me. So IR is mediocre compared to MSV? :-)Very much.... boring instruments, insipid lyrics, repetitive thaalam... the worst period of TFM was the 80s.
70s was ok.


Listen to akkarai seemai azhaginilE original here:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5587465906480886031

and ABC nee vaasi, here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmlAus-ClQ4

[ajaybaskar]

Wow.. That's not even an inspiration but a blatant lift.