The 10 Most Influential People In Tamil Cinema

[advani]

Guys.

Let's come out with a list of 10 people who have been the most influential in Tamil cinema.

Here is my list.

1. Sivaji Ganesan
2. MG Ramachandran
3. Rajini Kanth
4. Kamal Haasan
5. K. Balachandar
6. Manirathnam
7. Bharatiraaja
8. Illayaraja
9. A R Rahman
10. Prabu Deva

[Shakthiprabha.]

My list

Shivaji
MGR
Kamalhassan
Rajnikant
KaNNadasan
K.Balachandar
Bharathiraja
Maniratnam
iLaiyaraja
Vairamuthu

[NOV]

10. Prabu Deva:rotfl:

[NOV]

AR Rahman changed the course of music and definitely is a major influence. :yes:

But before him and IR, there was a little known music director called MS Viswanathan, who actually laid the path for tamil cinema songs. And shockingly, even today his songs are popular. :shock: Today they are often copied, ripped, inspired and what not. :roll:

[prasana84]

My list
1. Shivaji :yes:
2. Balachandar
3. M.S.Viswanath
4. Rajnikanth
5. A.R.Rahman
6. Kamalhassan
7. Maniratnam
8. Ilayaraja
9. P.C.Sriram
10. Bhayaraj

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

what do u mean influential?

[Vivasaayi]

influential na?

whos recommendation letter values more? :lol:

[dinesh2002]

My list....

1.A.R.Rahman
2.Mani Ratnam
3.Bharathiraja
4.Rajinikanth
5.Kamal Hassan
6.M.S.Viswanathan
7.Illayaraja
8.Kannadasan
9.S.P.Bala
10.P.C.Sriram

These people play a BIG BIG BIG BIG role + influence in their field... they cant be a person in the respected field without their influence :D

[Shakthiprabha.]

I think by influential we mean

"change the course or have an impact IN TAMIL CINEMA"

:?

[Menaka]

K A M A L H A A S A N

[MADDY]

i think most are getting the list wrong.......how are BR, IR, Maniratnam influencing cinema business now?? :roll: ......if its creative influence, then sorry, it doesent neccessarily take a mozart to influence a IR or ARR, it can be someone like T.Rajendar as in case for ARR......so, the lists will vary for each one, if its "creative influencers" ....ok my list, who control/demand/command business in TF now IMO.....

1. Rajinikanth
2. Kamalhassan
3. Ajith
4. Vijay
5. Aascar Ravi
6. Shankar.S

i dont think anyone else in the industry have commercial pull like the above........ARRahman ofcourse, is 1-10 in audio industry..... :)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Ok, My list..

1. Rangaraja Nambi
2. George Bussu
3. Govind Ramasamy
4. Balram Naidu
5. Krishnaveni Paatti
6. Shinghen Narahaasi
7. Avtar Singh
8. Christin Fletcher
9. Kalif Ullaah Khan
10. Poovaragan

:D

[swathy]

Ok, My list..

1. Rangaraja Nambi
2. George Bussu
3. Govind Ramasamy
4. Balram Naidu
5. Krishnaveni Paatti
6. Shinghen Narahaasi
7. Avtar Singh
9. Kalif Ullaah Khan
10. Poovaragan

:D


:lol: u mised my favourite one.

chk again

[P_R]

influential na?

whos recommendation letter values more? :lol:
As in....
Rejetted case-kku edhukkadA rekamandEsan ?

[saradhaa_sn]

1. பத்மஸ்ரீ, பத்மபூஷன், செவாலியே, டாக்டர் நடிகர்திலகம்,
2. புரட்சித்தலைவர், டாக்டர் மக்கள் திலகம்
3. பத்மபூஷன் சூப்பர்ஸ்டார்
4. கலைஞானி, பத்மஸ்ரீ, டாக்டர் உலகநாயகன்
5. டாக்டர் மெல்லிசை மன்னர்
6. டாக்டர் இசைஞானி
7. டாக்டர் இயக்குநர் சிகரம்
8. பத்மஸ்ரீ இயக்குநர் இமயம்
9. டாக்டர் இசைப்புயல்
10.டாக்டர் மணிரத்னம்

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

:lol: u mised my favourite one.

chk again

cha eppadi nadanthathu intha thappu??? anyways now updated :D

[Sanjeevi]

1. Ilaiyaraja
2. Kamal Hasan
3. Sivaji Ganesan
4. Rajni
5. MGR
6. MSV
7. Balachandar, Bharathiraja, Sridhar, Manirathnam
8. S.P.Balu, P.Suseela, T.M.S
9. ARR
10. Mahendran, Shankar, Bala, Kannadasan, Bakyaraj, Vijay, Ajith

[swathy]

:lol: u mised my favourite one.

chk again

cha eppadi nadanthathu intha thappu??? anyways now updated :D

good :clap:

[Shakthiprabha.]

1. Ilaiyaraja
2. Kamal Hasan
3. Sivaji Ganesan
4. Rajni
5. MGR
6. Balachandar, Bharathiraja, Sridhar, Manirathnam
7. S.P.Balu, P.Suseela, T.M.S
8. ARR
9. Vijay, Ajith
10. Mahendran, Shankar, Bala, Kannadasan, Bakyaraj

avlo thana?
nalla parunga, yaaranum vitrukka poreenga :lol2:

[swathy]

1.Kannadasan
2.MS Vishwanathan
3.ILAIYARAJA
4.KAMALJI
5.Shivaji Ganesan
6.MGR
7.Barathiraja
8.TMS
9.SPB
10.Bala


I remember already I created similar thread

[Sanjeevi]

avlo thana?
nalla parunga, yaaranum vitrukka poreenga :lol2:

Thanks, I missed MSV :shock:



I remember already I created similar

I too

[Shakthiprabha.]

Sanjeevi,

:shock: :( ( :D )

[prasana84]

10. Prabu Deva:rotfl:
Nov bro he is definitely a legend made a new trend of dance in tamil cinema. so nothing wrong in including his name

[NOV]

prasana :bow:
but there are many more worthy candidates. also if dance form is to be celebrated, there has always been someone who had provided novelty in the past - anand babu comes to mind, altho he never saw the success PD did.

[NOV]

coming to most influential ppl in tamil cinema, I think our focus should be on the present and then the list would be limited. Legends like MGR, Sivaji, KB, MSV, Kannadhasan, IR, TMS all need to prove nothing anymore.

so, looking at tamil cinema today, who would be the influential ppl?

1. M. Karunanidhi - with a stroke of genius he changed the stupid titling of movies from nonsense, english and hindi titles to sensible tamil titles for tamil movies.

2. AR Rahman - still looked upon as a trendsetter, with each new album looked forward on what it has new.

3. Is Kamal influential? If so, how? He has raised the benchmark on good movies - barring a few lapses here and there :roll: - but more importantly has it changed the trend of tamil cinema? dada movies and masala movies are being churned out continuosly.

4. Shankar (selva ;) ) not so much for his directed movies, but more for his produced movies. New talents have risen and have provided alternative cinema.

I cant think of anyone else, although there are a few candidates for not-so-positive influence, but we shan't get into that. ;)

[hattori_hanzo]

coming to most influential ppl in tamil cinema, I think our focus should be on the present and then the list would be limited. Legends like MGR, Sivaji, KB, MSV, Kannadhasan, IR, TMS all need to prove nothing anymore.

so, looking at tamil cinema today, who would be the influential ppl?

1. M. Karunanidhi - with a stroke of genius he changed the stupid titling of movies from nonsense, english and hindi titles to sensible tamil titles for tamil movies.

2. AR Rahman - still looked upon as a trendsetter, with each new album looked forward on what it has new.

3. Is Kamal influential? If so, how? He has raised the benchmark on good movies - barring a few lapses here and there :roll: - but more importantly has it changed the trend of tamil cinema? dada movies and masala movies are being churned out continuosly.

4. Shankar (selva ;) ) not so much for his directed movies, but more for his produced movies. New talents have risen and have provided alternative cinema.

I cant think of anyone else, although there are a few candidates for not-so-positive influence, but we shan't get into that. ;)


Yenna ippidi kettutteenga? Kamal has always been one of the most influential of Tamil actors. Actinga vidunga, even the hairstyle he sports in every movie is copied by many of his fans. Most of the facial expressions of our TV serial actors are just copy+paste from Kamal movies.
He has always been a trend setter. After the release & success of Thevar magan, there were at least a dozen movies which had a caste name in them or ended with a 'magan' or 'magal'. Even the dada movies you are referring to were spawned by the classic Nayakan. Hasnt he influenced the younger generation of actors/directors who made movies like Kadhal Konden, Manmadhan?

[joe]

Nadigar Thilagam
Makkal Thilagam
Mellisai Mannar
Kaviyarasu Kannadasan
Kalainjar
Kamal Hassan
Rajini Kanth
Isai Gnani
Bharathi Raja
A.R.Rahman

[selvakumar]

3. Is Kamal influential? If so, how? He has raised the benchmark on good movies - barring a few lapses here and there :roll: - but more importantly has it changed the trend of tamil cinema? dada movies and masala movies are being churned out continuosly.

4. Shankar (selva ;) ) not so much for his directed movies, but more for his produced movies. New talents have risen and have provided alternative cinema.

[NOV]

hatori, if you say so. :)
but if truly Kamal was that influential, we would see more class movies/actors than mass movies/actors. every single actor now wants to go on the mass platform. :banghead:

selva, I know you want to say something, spit it out. :P

[joe]

If Kamal Hassan is not influencial ,the list will not have more than 2 or 3. :huh:

[NOV]

If Kamal Hassan is not influencial ,the list will not have more than 2 or 3. :huh:Please do not misunderstand me.
I really wish and want Kamal to be influential and change the course of tamil cinema.

[sarna_blr]

hatori, if you say so. :)
but if truly Kamal was that influential, we would see more class movies/actors than mass movies/actors. every single actor now wants to go on the mass platform. :banghead:

selva, I know you want to say something, spit it out. :P

:victory: speaks here... if Kamal's Class movies were box-office hits , then many would have gone kamal's way...

[sarna_blr]

But nowadays the system is Changing....

[Menaka]

3. Is Kamal influential? If so, how? He has raised the benchmark on good movies - barring a few lapses here and there :roll: - but more importantly has it changed the trend of tamil cinema? dada movies and masala movies are being churned out continuosly.

4. Shankar (selva ;) ) not so much for his directed movies, but more for his produced movies. New talents have risen and have provided alternative cinema.

:yes:

[Menaka]

hatori, if you say so. :)
but if truly Kamal was that influential, we would see more class movies/actors than mass movies/actors. every single actor now wants to go on the mass platform. :banghead:

selva, I know you want to say something, spit it out. :P ameer, bala, gautham, radha mohan and a lot of other talented young directors are a fan of the Legend called Kamal Haasan .

[Srimannarayanan]

Ok, My list..

1. Rangaraja Nambi
2. George Bussu
3. Govind Ramasamy
4. Balram Naidu
5. Krishnaveni Paatti
6. Shinghen Narahaasi
7. Avtar Singh
9. Kalif Ullaah Khan
10. Poovaragan

:D


:lol: u mised my favourite one.

chk again

Swathy

Have you seen dasa?

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

If Kamal Hassan is not influencial ,the list will not have more than 2 or 3. :huh:Please do not misunderstand me.
I really wish and want Kamal to be influential and change the course of tamil cinema.

what? you want kamal to go to each and every director and beg them to change their style to kamal style??? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

kamalahaasar is surely the most influential person. ithukku justification sollithaan theriyanumnaa neenga onnu tamil padangal paakkurathillai. illennaa ungalukku kamal mela bayangaramaana poraamai, but athai romba different aa, kamal padangal polave, velippaduthareenga. Period

[NOV]

can you pls stop analysing me and address the issue instead. :roll:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

i have stoppped, becos i already understood your line of thoughts :)

i am tired enuf to explain what is the impact of kamal, on tamil cinemas. becos the impact is spread left to right, top to bottom, and everywhere.

[Thirumaran]

but if truly Kamal was that influential, we would see more class movies/actors than mass movies/actors. every single actor now wants to go on the mass platform. :banghead:


Good things never change completely overnight. Rather the change even it is slow is more appreciable. How Kamal is the most influential person in Tamil Cinema.

1. Set of Decent directors like Bala, Ameer, Selva, Cheran (If u dont like cheran in the list better ignore :lol2: ), etc..... mainly influenced by Kamal and thoughts of making good cinema without having the old movies Drama effects. Though few of the Kamal's attempts failed these new set were good enough to understand what made those few failed and accordingly adjust their way of Cinema making.
2. Though many want to go for mass attraction at least few like Vikram, Surya, Ajith, Jeeva, etc at times try or do something different and for definite their influence was Kamal hasan.
3. There are certain set of directors those who completely make non sense movies also because of kamal. they see kamal failed in few good attempts. Instead of looking at where Kamal failed and pick they basically too the negative side and always giving crap masalas.. Eg Perarasu :lol2:
4. Though dance were there in the old movies also, Kamal was the main actor from where dance in Cinema got the due recognition :thumbsup: and sometimes extremely more :evil:
5. Several of the new technologies inclusion in Tamil Cine was mainly due to Kamal. Dont ask me those names, ask some one else :lol2:
6. Humors by Heroes became more normal after Kamal :roll:

7. With his production house and with his presence lots of Good Movies and few of them without songs and they were success too that too when things were commercialied more. In future we could see more movies without needless songs.

8. More than all this Mouth Kiss in Tamil cinema is popularized most just because of Kamal hasan.

If you do not agree on this points then :evil: Dont worry i wont come with more points. but i will come with a post saying

"Let us Agree to disagree" :lol2:

[sarna_blr]

Dont worry i wont come with more points. but i will come with a post saying

"Let us Agree to disagree" :lol2:

According the Latest rule of the Hub (not implemented).... TM anna will be banned soon :boo:

[NOV]

:lol: thirumaran.

some good points but also some vague points, like surya, jeeva getting influenced by kamal. :roll: there has been plenty of good acting before kamal too. :sigh2:

I have given an example earlier on how Karunanidhi has single-handledly changed the course of tamil cinema (in putting tamil titles). andha maadhiri indisputable'a edhaavadhu?

and pls.. forget about negative influences. :x

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Good things never change completely overnight. Rather the change even it is slow is more appreciable. How Kamal is the most influential person in Tamil Cinema.

thiru, somethings never change... what u did is even lower than spoonfeeding. ennaathithu chinnapullathanamaalla irukku. kamal impact ennannu kekkaraanga, neengalum bathil sollikittu. leave it. the Mass knows who has more impact. and the Class knows what impact it it. no point in arguing with sirupaanmai koottam

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

1. M. Karunanidhi - with a stroke of genius he changed the stupid titling of movies from nonsense, english and hindi titles to sensible tamil titles for tamil movies.
wasnt that a political move? howcome its under tamil cinema belt? also, this is needless, cinemakarangalukku makkalin varippanam alli kodukkkurathu sariyaa??? thevayaa intha rules ellaam?

[Thirumaran]

NOV,
As i promised before..

"Let us agree to Disagree" :poke:

BTW regarding MK, the change in Tamil titles is because of MK the politician, not because of MK the dialogue writer or cine person. So completely rejected :poke: Try for some other examples :lol2:

[NOV]

sakala, if you have nothing useful to contribute, pls stay away. this discussion is going on fine. thank you.

[Thirumaran]

1. M. Karunanidhi - with a stroke of genius he changed the stupid titling of movies from nonsense, english and hindi titles to sensible tamil titles for tamil movies.
wasnt that a political move? howcome its under tamil cinema belt? also, this is needless, cinemakarangalukku makkalin varippanam alli kodukkkurathu sariyaa??? thevayaa intha rules ellaam?

:yes: If considering Change in Tamil title is a big change as u and me said it is political not because of Cine work influence :wink:

[NOV]

"Let us agree to Disagree" :poke:actually this one doesnt even arise. cos I am not disagreeing and am quite open minded about it.


BTW regarding MK, the change in Tamil titles is because of MK the politician, not because of MK the dialogue writer or cine person. Could be. But the end result affected Tamil cinema in a positive way did it not? you see, this cannot be refuted, thats what I meant.

[sarna_blr]

"Let us agree to Disagree" :poke:actually this one doesnt even arise. cos I am not disagreeing and am quite open minded about it.


BTW regarding MK, the change in Tamil titles is because of MK the politician, not because of MK the dialogue writer or cine person. Could be. But the end result affected Tamil cinema in a positive way did it not? you see, this cannot be refuted, thats what I meant.

:yes: Sivaji, Dhasavathaaram.... again Robo :lol2:

[Thirumaran]

Could be. But the end result affected Tamil cinema in a positive way did it not? you see, this cannot be refuted, thats what I meant.

One way it is, but not the way we see here. Regarding considering tamil titles only is a debatable topice which is not in the scope of this thread. For me the name "Boys" suits extremely good and better than considering other titles. Of course there are cases like unakkum enakkum sounds good than something something the earlier title. Under this Tamil thing there are other debatable points would arise which this thread will not fit.

Just considering the change, yes it is a big change one way but not in the way this thread title or this Tamil film section sees.

[selvakumar]

Vazhakkam pola oru TOP 10.
Vazhakkam pola oru 10 list
Vazhakkam pola oru fight, discussion, debate

ennatha top 10 list panni, ennatha discuss panni


selva, I know you want to say something, spit it out. :P
Vera enna. I confirm my observation once again :P Puthusa enna irukku solla.

[joe]

Vazhakkam pola oru TOP 10.
Vazhakkam pola oru 10 list
Vazhakkam pola oru fight, discussion, debate

ennatha top 10 list panni, ennatha discuss panni

Very True :)

[Thirumaran]

:lol: thirumaran.

some good points but also some vague points, like surya, jeeva getting influenced by kamal. :roll: there has been plenty of good acting before kamal too. :sigh2:


since u said u are not disagreeing, some more :mrgreen: :oops:

Of course there were plenty of acting and good cinema before Kamal. When that generation ended from the main actors how many carried that forward? There were to larger extents MGR type entertainments movies with less or more flavours were there baring few directors movies. I can see Kamal being the main one among actors. When Surya, Jeeva, etc adapt themselves looking at their role models it does not go before Kamal period, for actors like them, imo.

[leosimha]

Vazhakkam pola oru TOP 10.
Vazhakkam pola oru 10 list
Vazhakkam pola oru fight, discussion, debate

ennatha top 10 list panni, ennatha discuss panni


selva, I know you want to say something, spit it out. :P
Vera enna. I confirm my observation once again :P Puthusa enna irukku solla.

I would not equate influential with recommendation. both are at extreme ends.

Influence comes with force.

Recommendation is without any force.

if there is force involved then it is called as influence (meaning changes).

[selvakumar]

Leo,
The thread starter hasn't defined what he feels as 'Influence' ? Let us exclude thala from this list. Mathavanga list pannikattum. namakku ethukku :P

[Thirumaran]

Vazhakkam pola oru TOP 10.
Vazhakkam pola oru 10 list
Vazhakkam pola oru fight, discussion, debate

ennatha top 10 list panni, ennatha discuss panni


Vidunga, ellaam sariyaa poidum :cry:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

sakala, if you have nothing useful to contribute, pls stay away. this discussion is going on fine. thank you.dont i have rights to say something to thirumaran? and others??? those who understand my post will take it. others can stay away :lol:

[leosimha]

Leo,
The thread starter hasn't defined what he feels as 'Influence' ? Let us exclude thala from this list. Mathavanga list pannikattum. namakku ethukku :P

oops....just corrected me....thanks.... phew

[hattori_hanzo]

i have stoppped, becos i already understood your line of thoughts :)

i am tired enuf to explain what is the impact of kamal, on tamil cinemas. becos the impact is spread left to right, top to bottom, and everywhere.


Sakala, NOV' oda aadhangam ellarukkum irukkaradhu dhaane? In fact Kamal himself wants the younger actors and directors to do good cinema rather than doing masala movies. Very few among the younger generation of actors/directors have the guts to make a movie without any commercial element, like Pushpak. But they do get inspired by Kamal's earlier works and give us some good movies occasionally like the ones I mentioned before.

[leosimha]

Here many have listed out the order, do they mean that Sivaji had more influence than MGR. :shock: no ways. It should be the other way round. MGR had more influence than Sivaji.

[groucho070]

Nadigar Thilagam
Makkal Thilagam
Mellisai Mannar
Kaviyarasu Kannadasan
Kalainjar
Kamal Hassan
Rajini Kanth
Isai Gnani
Bharathi Raja
A.R.Rahman

Joe's list looks okay to me. Except that I'd put Sridhar instead of Barathi Raja, or KB. Can't decide.

And what about pre-1950s. People like SS. Vasan and MKT? NSK and comedy?

Nov, I agree with Kamal's influence being important (good or not is subjective). It's because of him, all daddies were training their sons to dance/fight/etc....resulting on a generation of good dancers and physical actors, with bulging biceps. Unfortunately, none inherited whatever acting capabilties Kamal had.

[sarna_blr]

Nadigar Thilagam
Makkal Thilagam
Mellisai Mannar
Kaviyarasu Kannadasan
Kalainjar
Kamal Hassan
Rajini Kanth
Isai Gnani
Bharathi Raja
A.R.Rahman

Joe's list looks okay to me. Except that I'd put Sridhar instead of Barathi Raja, or KB. Can't decide.

And what about pre-1950s. People like SS. Vasan and MKT? NSK and comedy?

Nov, I agree with Kamal's influence being important (good or not is subjective). It's because of him, all daddies were training their sons to dance/fight/etc....resulting on a generation of good dancers and physical actors, with bulging biceps. Unfortunately, none inherited whatever acting capabilties Kamal had.

:roll:

[groucho070]

Nadigar Thilagam
Makkal Thilagam
Mellisai Mannar
Kaviyarasu Kannadasan
Kalainjar
Kamal Hassan
Rajini Kanth
Isai Gnani
Bharathi Raja
A.R.Rahman

Joe's list looks okay to me. Except that I'd put Sridhar instead of Barathi Raja, or KB. Can't decide.

And what about pre-1950s. People like SS. Vasan and MKT? NSK and comedy?





Nov, I agree with Kamal's influence being important (good or not is subjective). It's because of him, all daddies were training their sons to dance/fight/etc....resulting on a generation of good dancers and physical actors, with bulging biceps. Unfortunately, none inherited whatever acting capabilties Kamal had.

:roll:

Mannichikkungoo! I meant, has. Take it easy, Kamal fans. Easy now, put down your weapons.

[leosimha]

Nadigar Thilagam
Makkal Thilagam
Mellisai Mannar
Kaviyarasu Kannadasan
Kalainjar
Kamal Hassan
Rajini Kanth
Isai Gnani
Bharathi Raja
A.R.Rahman

Joe's list looks okay to me. Except that I'd put Sridhar instead of Barathi Raja, or KB. Can't decide.

And what about pre-1950s. People like SS. Vasan and MKT? NSK and comedy?

Nov, I agree with Kamal's influence being important (good or not is subjective). It's because of him, all daddies were training their sons to dance/fight/etc....resulting on a generation of good dancers and physical actors, with bulging biceps. Unfortunately, none inherited whatever acting capabilties Kamal had.

Now that is not called influence. That's called inspiration. If you look at today's cinema, nobody talks about acting or so....

each and every Tom, Dick and Harry wants to be a SUPERSTAR.

In that way, if you look, Rajinikanth has inspired many.

[groucho070]

Well, inspiration extends to beyond the industry. In my younger days, my facial hair was inspired by Kamal, and I guess it still does to many other fans.

What I meant was to the talents in the industry. It is an influence. As for Rajini's inspiration, I agree. But earlier on, during the late 70s, he broke the conventional hero look, the white foundation and oily combed hair. We have to credit K.B for that too. And in came many scruffy looking heroes, some good, some, well, best forgotten.

[VENKIRAJA]

10. Prabu Deva:rotfl:
Nov bro he is definitely a legend made a new trend of dance in tamil cinema. so nothing wrong in including his name

Wrong number..... :yessir:

Let me try to see this,a topic of today.
1.Kamalhassan
2.ARR
3.Rajnikanth
4.AVM
5.Manirathnam
6.Shankar
7.'Thotta' Dharani
8.Vairamuthu
9.P.C.Shreeram
10.Prakashraj

Basically what is influence?I beleive Nagesh and Manorama,though sidekicks,comedians or whatever you call as were very influential.There were many many comedians who imitated Nagesh's gestures(I remember some vikatan interview where a guy who imitated Nagesh in KPY told that his father/brothers also did the same in tamil cinema waiting for a chance and there were many more mimics of nagesh at that time).Any department of tamil movies has legends and are surely influences for vying youngsters.To name the top ten is actualy unfair.But I don't see the influence of Kannadasan now,even Sivaji Ganesan for that case.Yesterday my Orkut account said-
Today's fortune:The philosophy of yesterday is the common sense of tomorrow.I beleive the Kamal is more influential than Sivaji is in the current scene.Its actually not so stupid to include Prakashraj in the list.He has a considerable influence I think.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Now that is not called influence. That's called inspiration. If you look at today's cinema, nobody talks about acting or so....

each and every Tom, Dick and Harry wants to be a SUPERSTAR.

In that way, if you look, Rajinikanth has inspired many. but howmay has really become?? in yesteryear, there was sivaji and MGR as the top stars but othere never tried to copy MGR or snatch the No.1 from him. everyone had originality. We got verity of stars.

but today, there are 2 superstars kamal and rajini. and more no of ppl are trying to do something to get into their slots so they forget originality and decide to copy either one's way. and u shud see which one is easy to replicate. for kamal, he himself breaks his image and he really has no image. he can do any role and fans dont restrict him from doing an expiremntal movie(though fans havs nothing to impact overall collections) so replicating kamal is not easy, either as an actor, or as an artist(offscreen roles like screenplay, story writer ect).

impact, inspiration, influence, a lot r there, we need to see whats the req and what fits in

[sarna_blr]

<<< but othere never tried to copy MGR or snatch the No.1 from him >>>

many are there... Vijayakumar, Ramaraajan etc....

have u seen a movie where Rajini plays villan and Vijayakumar plays hero... name comes as some " minor ______ " .... there in each and every scene he will imitate MGR.. thatswhy he didnt shine as hero.....

I sat throughout the movie only for Rajini ... his screen presence was amazing even as a villain....

[NOV]

Vazhakkam pola oru TOP 10.
Vazhakkam pola oru 10 list
Vazhakkam pola oru fight, discussion, debate
ennatha top 10 list panni, ennatha discuss panni
Very True :)yes, at the outset it looks like that... and that is why I said, lets put aside past artistes and look at present ones...

and then we can evaluate on what are the influences each has made.

otherwise this will become a listing exercise and even someone can come and say Omakuchi is influential, and no one can dispute. :roll:

[NOV]

Of course there were plenty of acting and good cinema before Kamal. When that generation ended from the main actors how many carried that forward? There were to larger extents MGR type entertainments movies with less or more flavours were there baring few directors movies. I can see Kamal being the main one among actors. When Surya, Jeeva, etc adapt themselves looking at their role models it does not go before Kamal period, for actors like them, imo.one cant be too sure. even guys in early 20s nowadays know about sivaji and mgr. whereas these guys are from families of artistes.

one thing kamal has done that no other hero has done are full length comedies, and not one not two, but several.

[NOV]

Sakala, NOV' oda aadhangam ellarukkum irukkaradhu dhaane? In fact Kamal himself wants the younger actors and directors to do good cinema rather than doing masala movies. :exactly:
and thats why I want to see kamals influnce in today's cinema.


Nov, I agree with Kamal's influence being important (good or not is subjective). It's because of him, all daddies were training their sons to dance/fight/etc....resulting on a generation of good dancers and physical actors, with bulging biceps. :bow: :yes: agreed completely. Before kamal there was no one who paid importance to physical structure. A very important point.


Except that I'd put Sridhar instead of Barathi Raja, or KB. Can't decide.Can I decide for you? :D Iyakkunar Thilagam it should be. I still cant forgive sridhar for the atrocius late 60s movies.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

ok, to see kamal's infulence, impact or inspiration, whatever u call it, 2 things

kamal shud have somthing to offer, all these days he shud have done something remarkable

young actors shud take inputs from kamal's experience and the stuff he made.

Only if both the things happen, then u can say kamal has impacted tamil cinema.

and now its upto you to see if kamal has done that or not. do you think, he hadn't?? if yes is the answer, then kamal's part is over.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

I still cant forgive sridhar for the atrocius late 60s movies.looks like ur tone is too judgemental\commanding on ppl?? :roll: whatever be the critic's fan's freedom, but still....

[Amarshiva]

Nov:

Your other quote stated that kalignar has done something to the state.. Yes naming Porukki,sanda,kettavan... etc etc.. You know what had happened"

All are forced to select tamil names, because he has offered some tax discount or something. This has got the Dr Ramadoss, Thirumalavan influence and the tamil padukappu peravai or something. It is not his own influential.

I am not saying he is not influening any one and all. Yes of course, in his own field. I still recollect the great dialogues and admire him for some thing else.

You were wanting to site kamal has influened the tamil cinema.
I don't want to quote about his acting skills..His technical knowledge.. For examples.. He is the one who brought Dolby in 90's to TFM and some AVid Camera and a special fighting punch from mahanadi onwards.. He tried, trying will try to escalate TFM industry to a great level. Do we need examples for this?

I am not bothered about this whole thread, but I am bit worried about ur comment stating kamal in not influence at all or something..

Right from GUna, HR, Mahanadi, AS & even in AV he is trying. I would say he failed only in MX.. Nothing else.

IMO, he should be on the topper list actually in the TFM industry.






If Kamal Hassan is not influencial ,the list will not have more than 2 or 3. :huh:Please do not misunderstand me.
I really wish and want Kamal to be influential and change the course of tamil cinema.

[NOV]

amar, I am not saying that kamal is not influencing ... am asking what are those.

to give another example... gandhi is a great man, but how many ppl has he influenced?

just becos kamal's influence has not worked does not make kamal a lesser talent.

anyway, a few ppl have indeed given some choice examples of Kamal's influence. :D

as for dolby system, and computers,, aala vidunga saami :yessir:

[NOV]

jeans, winner, london, aei, 123, dishoom, abcd, gentleman, BF, Godfather - these are all tamil films. :banghead:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

chumma theriyaamathaan kekkuren, oru padam english perula irunthaa enna thappu?? padathula palaidangalil engileesu thaane pesuraanga??

[Vivasaayi]

hatori, if you say so. :)
but if truly Kamal was that influential, we would see more class movies/actors than mass movies/actors. every single actor now wants to go on the mass platform. :banghead:

selva, I know you want to say something, spit it out. :P

the infulence of kamal is seen in surya and vikram who wants to be kamal and said that openly in their interviews!

the influnce of his films were seen in the films of ameer,selvaragavan,gowtham menon and balas movies who were kamal fans

the influence of kamal is seen among people which is even evident when they try to ridicule him even in a public forum whenever they get a chance :lol2:

podhuma?

[Vivasaayi]

jeans, winner, london, aei, 123, dishoom, abcd, gentleman, BF, Godfather - these are all tamil films. :banghead:


londona london nu sollama epdi solluveenga?dishooomku thamilaakam enna?bf a maathi a aah nu per vechadha marandhaacha?

thamilargal namma ellorum vetti sattaya potutu...illa kovanatha katita suthurom?

kalaila engilees paper padikaradhillaya?

endhiracha odane "tea kaapee" nu sutha thamiloda thana aarambikurom!

tamil patra cinemavoda sammandha padutharadhu fasiona pochu

[Vivasaayi]

heres the list leaving out kalaingar,AVM,MGR,Shivaji era

1.ilayaraja - the most influencial technician who made films run for his songs

2.Balachander - made stars out of actors and actresses.

3.barathiraja - created a trend,made stars,the best cinema factory producing the most adorable "shishyans" in tamilfilmdom

4.kamalhaasan - Influential in changing the face and status of tamil industry in indiaand among indian people.Made NI look down south and influence people like surya,vikram,ameer,jeeva etc.

5.rajnikanth - influential among the other set of heroes who wants to be "darling of the masses".

6.maniratnam - created a trend and style which influenced lots of people

7.arr - not as influencial as ilayaraja because of the easy availability of cds and casattes which made people who comes to watch movies for songs to sit at home....but his presence in the movie and the value adds with his music :thumbsup:

8.goundamani - in the nineties he is the most powerful star after kamal and rajni-no two words

9.bala- influential as a director.

10.shankar - influential as a producer.

[crajkumar_be]

The director of what has been hailed in the hub as a classic - Mozhi - Radhamohan, had spoken in "Koffee With Anu" about Aandavar as a director and more importantly as a screen writer. He said he had seen the screenplay of Mahanadhi and said that it was like a bible for any director/writer(not verbatim of course but one would clearly get his drift).
And he is not the only director....

Technical side la Aandavar ennanna influence pannaaru (of course he would be influenced by others, in the first place, like everybody else in this world) nu inga matra oru thread la recent-a kooda post pannappattadhu.
The concept of wide-openings or opening big, as we know it today, lobbying for corporates to enter into production, pressing for theaters to upgrade to Dolby and leading by example, Avid editing introduced in Mahandhi which has become the de facto mantra now etc etc...

Starting from J.K.Rithesh everybody in KW tries to do a Kamal Haasan or a Rajinikanth. This can be clearly seen from many interviews and also what many young actors TRY to do on-screen.
One would be pretending to keep one's eyes closed if they were to deny the presence or magnitude of these influences

[crajkumar_be]

:rotfl:

karuNAnidhi - idhu sutha thamizh peyarO???



londona london nu sollama epdi solluveenga?dishooomku thamilaakam enna?bf a maathi a aah nu per vechadha marandhaacha?

thamilargal namma ellorum vetti sattaya potutu...illa kovanatha katita suthurom?

kalaila engilees paper padikaradhillaya?

endhiracha odane "tea kaapee" nu sutha thamiloda thana aarambikurom!

tamil patra cinemavoda sammandha padutharadhu fasiona pochu

[crajkumar_be]

the influence of kamal is seen among people which is even evident when they try to ridicule him even in a public forum whenever they get a chance :lol2:

Sadly, NOV is not missing any chance to put down KH in any way possible in the hub these days :(

[ajithfederer]

And whats saddest of all is Kamal fans trying to convince him which is extremely unneccessary and futile :P



the influence of kamal is seen among people which is even evident when they try to ridicule him even in a public forum whenever they get a chance :lol2:

Sadly, NOV is not missing any chance to put down KH in any way possible in the hub these days :(

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

//digg


londona london nu sollama epdi solluveenga?thamizla sila thamaashaana vishayangalum undu. example sila oorgalukkaana thamiz peyar. ethuvume namma ooru illai

Rome - romaaburi
Italy - Ithaali
Netherland = nethar laanthu
England - Ingilaanthu
Dutch - dachchu

ithellaam appadiye thamizla sonnaa nalla irukkum. pothuvaa, feelings and culture related matter mattum thaan naama thooya thamizla solla mudiyum. technology, even government and administration ellaam pure tamil nereya idangalil vocabularyee kedayaaathu...

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

And whats saddest of all is Kamal fans trying to convince him which is extremely unneccessary and futile :P



the influence of kamal is seen among people which is even evident when they try to ridicule him even in a public forum whenever they get a chance :lol2:

Sadly, NOV is not missing any chance to put down KH in any way possible in the hub these days :(

feddy, not all times, we do that..below is what i said 2 pages b4..


Good things never change completely overnight. Rather the change even it is slow is more appreciable. How Kamal is the most influential person in Tamil Cinema.

thiru, somethings never change... what u did is even lower than spoonfeeding. ennaathithu chinnapullathanamaalla irukku. kamal impact ennannu kekkaraanga, neengalum bathil sollikittu. leave it. the Mass knows who has more impact. and the Class knows what impact it it. no point in arguing with sirupaanmai koottam

[Amarshiva]

AF: Let us take in the postive way.

I think by these ways, NOV is letting others to read about the influence of kamalhasan. Thanks to the influence of NOV on kamal's influence.

NOv: Neenga Influenced Moderator-a illa, Moderated Influencer-a.




And whats saddest of all is Kamal fans trying to convince him which is extremely unneccessary and futile :P



the influence of kamal is seen among people which is even evident when they try to ridicule him even in a public forum whenever they get a chance :lol2:

Sadly, NOV is not missing any chance to put down KH in any way possible in the hub these days :(

[joe]

thamizla sila thamaashaana vishayangalum undu. example sila oorgalukkaana thamiz peyar. ethuvume namma ooru illai

Rome - romaaburi
Italy - Ithaali
Netherland = nethar laanthu
England - Ingilaanthu
Dutch - dachchu .

Sakala,
If you call this as thamaasu ,same kind of thamaasus available almost all languages ..OK.

In chinese ,singapore is called as Chinjapoor ..In vietnamese India is called as 'Ando' ..i can list a lot ...OK.

and you talk about vocabulary difficiency in thamizh ..nelamai thaan ..one of the oldest living language in the world ,thamizh is no less than any classical language in vocabulary .

Summa karuNanithiya kindal pannurathoda niRuthikkuRathu better ..Thamizha vittudunga :)

[ajithfederer]

Amar and Sakala: My post is on a general note and nobody in particular :)

[crajkumar_be]

Joe,
NOM. The point is the pointlessness of the attack against English names for Tamil films and the baggage associated with it :)

Kalaignar pera a kindal pannala. I just suggested that that would be a good place to start to implement the "Tamil name only" policy!

P.S: Personally, any word which has lived long enough in the Thamizh consciousness is Thamizh enough for me - yes, its intangible and subjective. If we start digging into the origins and *authenticity* of words, there would be no end to it. My point is, i don't have a problem with the origin and authenticity of the name 'karuNAnidhI" as a Thamizh word (words have always been borrowed/shared across languages) , but just used it to point out the hypocrisy in the Thamizh film name policy

[joe]

CR,
I don't have a problem in you kindalfying karunanithi :) ..I know 'KaruNanithi' is not pure thamizh ..infact 'Joe -nnu peyara vachukittu thamizh pathi pesa unakku enna yokkiyathai"-nnu kooda neenga kekkalam ..i don't mind.

but karunanithiya kindal pannuRathukkaga ,Thamizh-ye kindal pannuNa konjam varuthama irukku . :(

Namma mozhi thaane ..Namakillatha urimaiyaa-nnu naama thamizhargal ninaikkuRatha eduthukkiRen ..vera enna seyya :)

[Amarshiva]

AF: Dont worry.. I like NoV, Joe, TM for various other reasons. I am not against anyone. Period

That statment is just mean to be joke...NO offence...


Amar and Sakala: My post is on a general note and nobody in particular :)

[Menaka]

thamizla sila thamaashaana vishayangalum undu. example sila oorgalukkaana thamiz peyar. ethuvume namma ooru illai

Rome - romaaburi
Italy - Ithaali
Netherland = nethar laanthu
England - Ingilaanthu
Dutch - dachchu .

Sakala,
If you call this as thamaasu ,same kind of thamaasus available almost all languages ..OK.

In chinese ,singapore is called as Chinjapoor ..In vietnamese India is called as 'Ando' ..i can list a lot ...OK.

and you talk about vocabulary difficiency in thamizh ..nelamai thaan ..one of the oldest living language in the world ,thamizh is no less than any classical language in vocabulary .

Summa karuNanithiya kindal pannurathoda niRuthikkuRathu better ..Thamizha vittudunga :) well said. The English corrupted many of our names.
for ex,
thiru-ananthapuram became tri-van-drum (we have had too many fletchers visiting our country)

even i think, Jesus's name is actually Joshua. they changed that one too. Kadavulukke intha nilaimai-naa ??

[Vivasaayi]

joe,

its not abt the love for tamil...but always correlating "tamil patru" and cinema is irritating.

tamil should be introduced in college level education in tamilnadu,which makes tamil essential for their livelihood ....and technology and tamil should join hands.

adha vitutu always talking abt tamil patru,cinema titles,cinema songs is :lol:

"kanniyin kaama vilayaatu" apdinu suthamana thamizh-la peru vecha tax exemptiona?yedhuku thamizha valathunadhuka..illa..

[Wibha]

influential as in :confused2:

towards cinema then it is

ARR
shivaji
MGR
kamal
IR

how come no one has included some great comedians or others who have made a change.... :shock:

[prasana84]

thamizla sila thamaashaana vishayangalum undu. example sila oorgalukkaana thamiz peyar. ethuvume namma ooru illai

Rome - romaaburi
Italy - Ithaali
Netherland = nethar laanthu
England - Ingilaanthu
Dutch - dachchu .

Sakala,
If you call this as thamaasu ,same kind of thamaasus available almost all languages ..OK.

In chinese ,singapore is called as Chinjapoor ..In vietnamese India is called as 'Ando' ..i can list a lot ...OK.

and you talk about vocabulary difficiency in thamizh ..nelamai thaan ..one of the oldest living language in the world ,thamizh is no less than any classical language in vocabulary .

Summa karuNanithiya kindal pannurathoda niRuthikkuRathu better ..Thamizha vittudunga :) well said. The English corrupted many of our names.
for ex,
thiru-ananthapuram became tri-van-drum (we have had too many fletchers visiting our country)

even i think, Jesus's name is actually Joshua. they changed that one too. Kadavulukke intha nilaimai-naa ??
Ethu enna puthu kathai? :lol:

[Vivasaayi]

influential as in :confused2:

towards cinema then it is

ARR
shivaji
MGR
kamal
IR

how come no one has included some great comedians or others who have made a change.... :shock:

Ive included goundamani for his influence in 90s :D

[Movie Cop]

The English corrupted many of our names.
for ex,
thiru-ananthapuram became tri-van-drum (we have had too many fletchers visiting our country)
:rotfl: :exactly:
Even our 10A "Durai" Fletcher calls Chidambaram as "Chee-Dam-Bram" :lol:

[joe]

joe,

its not abt the love for tamil...but always correlating "tamil patru" and cinema is irritating.

tamil should be introduced in college level education in tamilnadu,which makes tamil essential for their livelihood ....and technology and tamil should join hands.

adha vitutu always talking abt tamil patru,cinema titles,cinema songs is :lol:

"kanniyin kaama vilayaatu" apdinu suthamana thamizh-la peru vecha tax exemptiona?yedhuku thamizha valathunadhuka..illa..

Vivasaayi,
I didn't talk about all these ..There were enough discussion on this tax excemption matter and opposite to your assumption ,i am also against this Tax excemption and i too have the opinion thamizh title is not the solution to save thamizh.

I don't want to repeat all discussed ..But just one point .. Even now ,there is no penalty for not having thamizh title ..and it is not compulsary ..If you have thamizh title ,you will get Tax excemption ,otherwise usual Tax ..So if somebody very particular about the title must be in english (london ,California etc) they can still do and pay usual tax (note..no penalty).

Karunanithi may wanted to give some Salugai for Tamil cinema ..But athai summa kudukkama ..Just like 2+2 = ? -nnu ezhuthi anuppuna parisu undu -nnu solluRa maathiri ..Thamizh peyar-gratha oru entry card-a serthurukkar ..This is what i understood.

[thilak4life]

Groundhog day all over again.

[Thirumaran]

Nov, I agree with Kamal's influence being important (good or not is subjective). It's because of him, all daddies were training their sons to dance/fight/etc....resulting on a generation of good dancers and physical actors, with bulging biceps. :bow: :yes: agreed completely. Before kamal there was no one who paid importance to physical structure. A very important point.


:notthatway: Gundu Paanjatha thavira MGR was quite fit and was doing active fighting till his final period in Cinema(around 60). Once again it got more popularised from the days of Kamal. :roll:

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

joe,

sorry if i said wrong or made fun on our own language. i surely has more respect and interested in tamil literature. just not a person who only listen to tamil movie songs, but i also read barathiyaar kavithaigal. anyways not as deep knowledged as you..

my one point, to make regarding tamil, its surely not an easy language for techology. so we shud leave thots like speaking in pure tamil, or havinf degrees like Msc and Bsc in pure tamil. i think its waste. instead, one shud learn english.

i have APJ's India2020 both in english and tamil. infact i got only tamil version but it was irritating and very tough for me to read many complicated terms translated in tamil. instead, i felt too comfortable in english version.

i keep tamil only for expressing feelings. officela, nammooru aatkalodayum engileesuthaan vasathippaduthu :)

[joe]

my one point, to make regarding tamil, its surely not an easy language for techology. so we shud leave thots like speaking in pure tamil, or havinf degrees like Msc and Bsc in pure tamil.

I don't know why do you tell this to me :roll: I am not a one for 'Thani Thamizh' and for studying Msc ,Bsc in Pure Thamizh ...But not even learning thamizh as a language paper in schools in Tn is a shame .


one shud learn english.

Yes,It is needed for us ..But don't tell this to any japanese ,korean or french . :)



i keep tamil only for expressing feelings. officela, nammooru aatkalodayum engileesuthaan vasathippaduthu :)

Even i don't speak Tamil with tamil collegues when we are at work ..But once we get out of office ,if only thamizs around ,i speak only in Thamizh .

I use english only for official work.

Anyway ,Unga vasathi ungalukku :)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

..But once we get out of office ,if only thamizs around ,i speak only in Thamizh .

I use english only for official work.
naanum ithaithaan sonnen :)

korean japanese... i understand, they do everything in their mother toungue and they are not lagging in anything, incl technology. but en namma oorla mattum engileesu engileesunnu alayirom. if u hav this question, i wud say we better stay with english, as for technology or work. becos, its got to do with race. all these non indian asians, be it chinese\japanese et all are just amazing with their aggressiveness. nammakitta athu illai. also tamil is not a language for whole india. also we are lagging in technology when compared to others. so better we catchup witht he world ONLy in engilish and keep tamil for ourselves. but lets keep it alive, within ours. vaazga thamizh

[joe]

so better we catchup witht he world ONLy in engilish and keep tamil for ourselves. but lets keep it alive, within ours. vaazga thamizh

No second opinion ..But 'keep it alive'..may be you wish for atleast in our life time ..I wish to keep it alive for many more generations to come.

எல்லா மொழியையும் படிப்போம் ,தமிழை இழந்து அல்ல .
எல்லா தாயையும் மதிப்போம் ,சொந்த தாயை அனாதை இல்லத்துக்கு அனுப்பிவிட்டு அல்ல.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

everyone's interests also matters. i read lots of tamil books in my childhood and chaste tamil was not tuf for me, to certain level. bit, tamilnaatil piranthu tamil padicha palaperukku dasavatharathil kamal pesum chaste tamil puriyalai :(

[sarna_blr]

everyone's interests also matters. i read lots of tamil books in my childhood and chaste tamil was not tuf for me, to certain level. bit, tamilnaatil piranthu tamil padicha palaperukku dasavatharathil kamal pesum chaste tamil puriyalai :(

:shock: is it.... then they are OP students in schools... :lol2:

PS... OP means class time'la thoonguradhu or paadam nadaththuradha gavanikkaama irukkuradhu :P

[hub rap]

So if somebody very particular about the title must be in english (london ,California etc) they can still do and pay usual tax (note..no penalty).


No tax exemption if a movie is named "london-il kalyAna rAman"? (enna koduma sir idhu?) London-a eppadi tamizh la ezhuthuradhu?

[Vivasaayi]

So if somebody very particular about the title must be in english (london ,California etc) they can still do and pay usual tax (note..no penalty).


No tax exemption if a movie is named "london-il kalyAna rAman"? (enna koduma sir idhu?) London-a eppadi tamizh la ezhuthuradhu?

லண்டன்

IPDITHAN

[hub rap]

So if somebody very particular about the title must be in english (london ,California etc) they can still do and pay usual tax (note..no penalty).


No tax exemption if a movie is named "london-il kalyAna rAman"? (enna koduma sir idhu?) London-a eppadi tamizh la ezhuthuradhu?

லண்டன்

IPDITHAN

LOL. EngileeshkAran, the movie and title itself was a nethi adi to the tax exemption sham. reminds me of the sathyaraj dialogue when the postman lauds him for his tamizh patru and says that everybody should talk only in tamizh. "That is practically not possible. because, many of the inventions like cycle, chain, bell etc are invented by english men...." :lol:
If somebody could get the exact dialogue....

Lets not be dainty about chaste tamizh and let the language evolve. Consider it as a reprieve, at least.

Endha thread-la irukkomdrathe marandhu pochchu.

[Nasc]

TFI as on date wud not be complete without Kamal.

think of a TFI without Kamal.for me atleast it feels like a loose end.well if i hv to start within just the pure materialistic in TFI

wud any one ever invest arnd 70 crore rupees in one movie.I dont think Oscar wud have doen it for any other actor.

will AB act in a TFI movie now.if he does for MY its an influence of kamal

will a queen elizabeth watch a movie shooting--if she does its due to kamal

will Tamil fans get to watch JC in their stages for a TFI function-kamal


for nov influencing tamil ppl is like asking ppl to get influenced by watching a magician do a trick and ask them to follow it.

somethings can only be admired not followed.

[hub rap]

for nov influencing tamil ppl is like asking ppl to get influenced by watching a magician do a trick and ask them to follow it.

somethings can only be admired not followed.

Influence here as I understand is, something that can make somebody do that they normally wouldnt do.

Influence is what Mani has over the censor board.

Influence is not what Mani has over Aishwarya Rai. She just prefers Mani over Shankar or Rajini.

By that rationale, surya or vikram wanting to be a Kamal is not influence. At least, not the influence that is being discussed here. I dont know/remember instances of Kamal influencing anybody. Actually, he didnt have to, is my stand.

But, if you think he is so influential, why couldnt he get a producer for marudhanayagam?

[Nasc]

well....that influence...ok

he got the most of the list of Indian films sent to Oscar.I guess who ever selects them on India's behalf was defn influenced by Kamal

well Marudhanayagam - I am not sure if there is any producer of that capability in India.May be with the recent developments of big corps producing films it wud happen soon.its hardly a cpl of yrs since bigger corps came filmsy line

[crajkumar_be]

But, if you think he is so influential, why couldnt he get a producer for marudhanayagam?
Nobody else here would get a producer for Marudh, were they to attempt it.
Q: Why did he get a producer for what has been till now the costliest Dasa and why is he getting one for the one breaking that, Marmayogi?

neenga endha language dictionary use panreenga? :confused2:

[Nasc]

btw neenga sonnathu konja confusinga iruku....with censor board doing things for mani wud look perfectly normal for me as they prefer him better than the others similar to aish choosing mani for sankar




for nov influencing tamil ppl is like asking ppl to get influenced by watching a magician do a trick and ask them to follow it.

somethings can only be admired not followed.

Influence here as I understand is, something that can make somebody do that they normally wouldnt do.

Influence is what Mani has over the censor board.

Influence is not what Mani has over Aishwarya Rai. She just prefers Mani over Shankar or Rajini.

By that rationale, surya or vikram wanting to be a Kamal is not influence. At least, not the influence that is being discussed here. I dont know/remember instances of Kamal influencing anybody. Actually, he didnt have to, is my stand.

But, if you think he is so influential, why couldnt he get a producer for marudhanayagam?

[hub rap]

But, if you think he is so influential, why couldnt he get a producer for marudhanayagam?
Nobody else here would get a producer for Marudh, were they to attempt it.
Q: Why did he get a producer for what has been till now the costliest Dasa and why is he getting one for the one breaking that, Marmayogi?

neenga endha language dictionary use panreenga? :confused2:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/influence this is the dictionary am using and the meaning am referring to in the one listed first in the page.

I dont think Oscar Ravi was reluctant to produce the film and kamal had to use influence to make him produce. He produced because of his trust and confidence in kamal's talent.

Actually, the demarcation between being willingly influenced and coerce-ly influenced is smudged. I am referring to the fear component and respect component. In the case of kamal, I feel the influence is predominantly due to the respect that people have for his talent. And since I was of the opinion that we are talking about the fear component, I tend to say that Kamal doesnt have as much influence as we think.

[hub rap]

Probably, we shouldnt be splitting influence into components. Its a package, whatever may be the ingredients. I realize, with his experience, talent and knowledge, Kamal holds a lot of influence.

[hub rap]

well....that influence...ok

he got the most of the list of Indian films sent to Oscar.I guess who ever selects them on India's behalf was defn influenced by Kamal


Kamal's movies represented india for the oscars. Also, Shah Rukh's Paheli got a chance when there were more deserving movies. There is a difference between the influences these twos' :P movies had on the selectors.

[hub rap]

Neenga rendu paerumae India-la illainnu ninaikiraen. :fatigue:

good night

[hub rap]

My top 10 would be (considering only the personalities of the post 90 period) (Not in order)
1. ManiRathnam
2. A R Rahman
(Both the guys have consistently disappointed me of late, though)
3. Shankar
4. GM (this guy had cut-outs bigger than the hero's and i still miss him)
5. Vijay
(Reminds me of a joke
Director: sir, 100 nAl odura mAri oru nalla kadha vachirukkaen sir
Vijay: AdhellAm venAm.. rendra mani nEram odunA podhum :lol: )
6. Rajinikanth
7. KamalHaasan
8. Prakash Raj
9. Bala
10. Ajith
(another joke: this was before kireedom's verdict
Director: super sir. padam 50 days Odum.
Ajith: No, no. 100 days.
Director: Joke adikkAtheenga sir
Ajith: ngoiyaala... YaarudA modhalla joke adhichadhu? ) :lol:
Its a rare ability to sustain a string of so many flops.

[Nasc]

Onderful list.thou most of them in ur list wud be in any one's, some of your entries evoke laughter as big as for goundamani's jokes.

poi thoongunga....

[ajithfederer]

Is this a post under INFLUENCE?? :huh:
Engayo thanni adichittu ingae vandhu vaandhi edukaradhu :cry:

10. Ajith
(another joke: this was before kireedom's verdict
Director: super sir. padam 50 days Odum.
Ajith: No, no. 100 days.
Director: Joke adikkAtheenga sir
Ajith: ngoiyaala... YaarudA modhalla joke adhichadhu? ) :lol:
Its a rare ability to sustain a string of so many flops.

[Thalafanz]

10. Ajith
(another joke: this was before kireedom's verdict
Director: super sir. padam 50 days Odum.
Ajith: No, no. 100 days.
Director: Joke adikkAtheenga sir
Ajith: ngoiyaala... YaarudA modhalla joke adhichadhu? ) :lol:
Its a rare ability to sustain a string of so many flops.

Is this relevance to the topic???
Btw, Yaaru thAn TFI-la flop kodukala??? :huh:
EnnumO, Ajith padam mattum thAn flop Agura mAthiri sollurEngga :P

[Vivasaayi]

Influence here as I understand is, something that can make somebody do that they normally wouldnt do.

Influence is what Mani has over the censor board.

Influence is not what Mani has over Aishwarya Rai. She just prefers Mani over Shankar or Rajini.

By that rationale, surya or vikram wanting to be a Kamal is not influence. At least, not the influence that is being discussed here. I dont know/remember instances of Kamal influencing anybody. Actually, he didnt have to, is my stand.

But, if you think he is so influential, why couldnt he get a producer for marudhanayagam?

the same way i could ask ...could maniratnam even plan a movie for 100 crore or even get a producer for a 60 crore budget movie for his direction alone?

:lol:

regarding aiswarya rai,ava anga irukura pikada pasanga koodavellam nadikura...adhellam oru mattera...
:banghead:

[hub rap]

Onderful list.thou most of them in ur list wud be in any one's, some of your entries evoke laughter as big as for goundamani's jokes.

poi thoongunga....

If most of them in my list would be in any other's list, that vindicates my list. Am not trying to be different. Am just listing.

Which are the entries that evoked laughter? sincerely, some did evoke in me too... hope to find some commonality

Was curiously searching for your list. Disappointed that you haven't posted yet.

[hub rap]

Is this a post under INFLUENCE?? :huh:
Engayo thanni adichittu ingae vandhu vaandhi edukaradhu :cry:


vAndhi edukaradhu? You mean copying?

I would have been proud, had i framed that one. Its probably a sensitive one. But, the sense of humour was :thumbsup:

PS: Pl. Dont wrongly classify me as anti Ajith or pro-vijay

[hub rap]

Is this relevance to the topic???
Btw, Yaaru thAn TFI-la flop kodukala??? :huh:
EnnumO, Ajith padam mattum thAn flop Agura mAthiri sollurEngga :P

Exactly, thats my point. In Tamizh industry, we have seen so many flopsters. But, not everyone sustained it.

Hats off to Ajith who has finally turned the tide, I meant.

[selvakumar]

vAndhi edukaradhu? You mean copying?
I would have been proud, had i framed that one. Its probably a sensitive one. But, the sense of humour was :thumbsup:
PS: Pl. Dont wrongly classify me as anti Ajith or pro-vijay

Well.. There are many OTHERS CLOWNS in your list who can EVOKE more LAUGHTER than these two. Your jokes on Ajith and Vijay proves that you are pro- (not some other word) for other CLOWNS in that list.

Sense of Humour need not be restricted to very few.
Appuram inthe flop koduthu sustain pannurathu, 100 naal otturathu etc - ithukellam antha list layae nerya per irukaanga :rotfl:

[hub rap]

But, if you think he is so influential, why couldnt he get a producer for marudhanayagam?

the same way i could ask ...could maniratnam even plan a movie for 100 crore or even get a producer for a 60 crore budget movie for his direction alone?

:lol:

regarding aiswarya rai,ava anga irukura pikada pasanga koodavellam nadikura...adhellam oru mattera...
:banghead:

the marudhanayagam example was a reply to one of the earlier posts which in my opinion insinuates that only Kamal could get producers for a mega-budget movie like Dasa. Marudhanayagam seems a zillion times worthier than dasa and I sincerely hope he uses his influence to get a producer. The question still hangs, though.

I ain't speaking for aish's talent here. Am speaking for Mani's influence. Shankar wanted her for Anniyan. Rajini wanted her for Chandramukhi or Sivaji (I dont remember). But, Mani has managed to book her for two movies straight with no fuss. Further, he didnt have to pay 6 crores to get her in. Personally, I am not a big fan of her acting.

[selvakumar]

It would be great if we know why Mani was not able to get Kajol for dil Se and why she should reject him. It should also be noted that Aish did act in his Iruvar before becoming a star there (correct me if I am wrong).

It is quite similar to how ARR always works with Mani. Something doesn't change and can't be explained.

[hub rap]

vAndhi edukaradhu? You mean copying?
I would have been proud, had i framed that one. Its probably a sensitive one. But, the sense of humour was :thumbsup:
PS: Pl. Dont wrongly classify me as anti Ajith or pro-vijay

Well.. There are many OTHERS CLOWNS in your list who can EVOKE more LAUGHTER than these two. Your jokes on Ajith and Vijay proves that you are pro- (not some other word) for other CLOWNS in that list.

Sense of Humour need not be restricted to very few.
Appuram inthe flop koduthu sustain pannurathu, 100 naal otturathu etc - ithukellam antha list layae nerya per irukaanga :rotfl:

Am eagerly waiting for you list as well (post 90). I agree I might have missed a few. For that matter, missed the 10 even. But, till somebody proves it, this will remain my list.

I said 'not everyone sustained'. Not, 'nobody sustained'.

[selvakumar]

Am eagerly waiting for you list as well (post 90). I agree I might have missed a few. For that matter, missed the 10 even. But, till somebody proves it, this will remain my list.

I said 'not everyone sustained'. Not, 'nobody sustained'.

Similarly, I said 'sense of humour shouldn't be restricted to only very few' and not 'sense of humour can be applied to only few'. Esp the Jokes exchanged. I can post thousands of Jokes on Mani and Arr and if I do that for them alone, It would be 'anti' and not 'pro'.

I don't like to list my top 10.

[prasana84]

vAndhi edukaradhu? You mean copying?
I would have been proud, had i framed that one. Its probably a sensitive one. But, the sense of humour was :thumbsup:
PS: Pl. Dont wrongly classify me as anti Ajith or pro-vijay

Well.. There are many OTHERS CLOWNS in your list who can EVOKE more LAUGHTER than these two. Your jokes on Ajith and Vijay proves that you are pro- (not some other word) for other CLOWNS in that list.

Sense of Humour need not be restricted to very few.
Appuram inthe flop koduthu sustain pannurathu, 100 naal otturathu etc - ithukellam antha list layae nerya per irukaanga :rotfl:

Am eagerly waiting for you list as well (post 90). I agree I might have missed a few. For that matter, missed the 10 even. But, till somebody proves it, this will remain my list.

I said 'not everyone sustained'. Not, 'nobody sustained'.
Ajith padam flop analum loss agathu... thats important. billa, varalaru all were blockbusters. paramasivam, tirupatchi etc were average but you ppl are considering that as flop

[hub rap]

It would be great if we know why Mani was not able to get Kajol for dil Se and why she should reject him. It should also be noted that Aish did act in his Iruvar before becoming a star there (correct me if I am wrong).

It is quite similar to how ARR always works with Mani. Something doesn't change and can't be explained.

When did I say 'mani gets whatever he wants?' I just gave an example for something he did which shankar or rajini couldnt. Which, IMO reflects his influence.

I guess Jeans did to Aish's career more than what Iruvar did. She choosing a Mani film has nothing to do with gratitude. It's sheer confidence in his talent.

Oruthar kooda inga enakku support-ku illiyA? Am I incurring the wrath of everyone? :roll:

[Vivasaayi]

I ain't speaking for aish's talent here. Am speaking for Mani's influence. Shankar wanted her for Anniyan. Rajini wanted her for Chandramukhi or Sivaji (I dont remember). But, Mani has managed to book her for two movies straight with no fuss. Further, he didnt have to pay 6 crores to get her in. Personally, I am not a big fan of her acting.

u talk abt roping in aishwarya rai as an influence

Name one actor in India to rope in sharukh for a second fiddle role,other than kamal haasan

can maniratnam rope in sharukh for such a role?

every one knew sharukh is a much bigger star than anyone else in bollywood at present.

i expect your reply :lol2:

[hub rap]

Ajith padam flop analum loss agathu... thats important. billa, varalaru all were blockbusters. paramasivam, tirupatchi etc were average but you ppl are considering that as flop

Though am not sure about the figures, I get your point.

Adhukku ippa enna? Ajith influential-A illiyA-nnu dhAn ippa pEchu.
nAn influential-nu solraen. neenga enna solreenga?

[Kalyasi]

It would be great if we know why Mani was not able to get Kajol for dil Se and why she should reject him. It should also be noted that Aish did act in his Iruvar before becoming a star there (correct me if I am wrong).

It is quite similar to how ARR always works with Mani. Something doesn't change and can't be explained.

When did I say 'mani gets whatever he wants?' I just gave an example for something he did which shankar or rajini couldnt. Which, IMO reflects his influence.

I guess Jeans did to Aish's career more than what Iruvar did. She choosing a Mani film has nothing to do with gratitude. It's sheer confidence in his talent.

Oruthar kooda inga enakku support-ku illiyA? Am I incurring the wrath of everyone? :roll:

Enna Logic.... Aishwarya Rai vanthu cinema kalanjiyam, avanga mani kitta irukara talent a paarthuttu avar padathula nadika ponaanga nu ellam joke adikaatheenga....Aishwarya rai infulence pannavanga ellam cinema va influence pannavangala??? EKSI.... intha logic e naa pala edathula apply panna ooore sirippa sirikum.....

[selvakumar]

Rap,
Your post on Ajith and Vijay was more sarcastic rather than pointing out the relevant things. I just want you to do the same thing for all in your list. The same jokes can be applied for most of the people in your list. I rest my arguement

[hub rap]

u talk abt roping in aishwarya rai as an influence

Name one actor in India to rope in sharukh for a second fiddle role,other than kamal haasan

can maniratnam rope in sharukh for such a role?

every one knew sharukh is a much bigger star than anyone else in bollywood at present.

i expect your reply :lol2:

You say roping in Aish is not influence?

kamal not just roped in shAh rukh but also helped him deliver his best. He is undoubtedly the best actor I have seen and arguably the best director too. Kamal has zero influence is not my point. Am just questioning his level of influence.

While Mani roping in Aish is more like a conspicuous-consumption, kamal's act was very much necessary for the movie. But, both the acts manifest influence.

Lol about the bolded text. I was contemplating quitting this thread.

[Vivasaayi]

hub_rap,

i just asked which is more influencial

"roping in aiswarya rai as a heroine" or "sharukh as a second-fiddle"

regarding the bolded text...thats my style of posting..... :D

[selvakumar]

:oops:
I mistook the last reply of Hub Rap as a post from PR :lol:

[hub rap]

Enna Logic.... Aishwarya Rai vanthu cinema kalanjiyam, avanga mani kitta irukara talent a paarthuttu avar padathula nadika ponaanga nu ellam joke adikaatheenga....Aishwarya rai infulence pannavanga ellam cinema va influence pannavangala??? EKSI.... intha logic e naa pala edathula apply panna ooore sirippa sirikum.....

appO, aishwarya rai-ya kooda influence panna mudiyAthavanga, influence-E illAthavangalA?

I have already mentioned, am not a big fan of her. she, certainly is not a cinema kalanjiyam too. But, sought after. Vikram was all smiles when the initial news was that he is paired with her(courtesy - friday review). Shankar wanted her. Rajini wanted her. Am not saying mani's greatest achievement is influencing aish.
Thought, that would be an example for his influence on indian cinema.

Abhishek would skip projects to act in his film. But, I havent mentioned about him as an example. Coz, we dont have instances where somebody(tamizh director) wanted him and he refused.

[hub rap]

hub_rap,

i just asked which is more influencial

"roping in aiswarya rai as a heroine" or "sharukh as a second-fiddle"

regarding the bolded text...thats my style of posting..... :D

Kamal's

[hub rap]

:2thumbsup: for your signature.

tubelight-kku late-A dhAn purinjadhu... that made it even more enjoyable.

[Vivasaayi]

hub_rap,

i just asked which is more influencial

"roping in aiswarya rai as a heroine" or "sharukh as a second-fiddle"

regarding the bolded text...thats my style of posting..... :D

Kamal's

simple...u have accepted urself.

thank you :D

[Vivasaayi]

:2thumbsup: for your signature.

tubelight-kku late-A dhAn purinjadhu... that made it even more enjoyable.

mine?

[Kalyasi]

:2thumbsup: for your signature.

tubelight-kku late-A dhAn purinjadhu... that made it even more enjoyable.

mine?

Vera Yaaruthu Viky!!

[hub rap]

:oops:
I mistook the last reply of Hub Rap as a post from PR :lol:

why? :roll:

[Vivasaayi]

:2thumbsup: for your signature.

tubelight-kku late-A dhAn purinjadhu... that made it even more enjoyable.

mine?

Vera Yaaruthu Viky!!

FINE:)

[Vivasaayi]

:oops:
I mistook the last reply of Hub Rap as a post from PR :lol:

why? :roll:

he has used this display pic before

[hub rap]

:oops:
I mistook the last reply of Hub Rap as a post from PR :lol:

why? :roll:

he has used this display pic before

Am sick of bringing down large pictures into 6kb size. This pic was just under 6 kb and seemed apt for my signature (Can't justify. EthO, appa thOnuchchu). Actually, it would be an apt pic for my dad, if he were in this hub :lol:

Wondering what was PR's signature when he had this pic

[Movie Cop]

Oruthar kooda inga enakku support-ku illiyA? Am I incurring the wrath of everyone? :roll:
Saar! Neenga indha "influence" endra vaarthai-a vechu remba conpees panreenga... That's why, I guess, no one is coming to your rescue... I have quoted below a couple of "samples" of your conpees statements:


Influence here as I understand is, something that can make somebody do that they normally wouldnt do.

Influence is what Mani has over the censor board.

Influence is not what Mani has over Aishwarya Rai. She just prefers Mani over Shankar or Rajini.

By that rationale, surya or vikram wanting to be a Kamal is not influence. At least, not the influence that is being discussed here. I dont know/remember instances of Kamal influencing anybody. Actually, he didnt have to, is my stand.

But, if you think he is so influential, why couldnt he get a producer for marudhanayagam?


You say roping in Aish is not influence?

kamal not just roped in shAh rukh but also helped him deliver his best. He is undoubtedly the best actor I have seen and arguably the best director too. Kamal has zero influence is not my point. Am just questioning his level of influence.

While Mani roping in Aish is more like a conspicuous-consumption, kamal's act was very much necessary for the movie. But, both the acts manifest influence.


Thirukural kooda theliva periyum polairrukku, anna ungaloda "influence" posts-uhh perinjika remba kastam-a irrukku saar! :confused2:

[crajkumar_be]

adhAn nAn first-e kEttuttEn endha lOnguaze dictionary use panraaru nu :razz: Not offensively, seriously...

purinjukka mudiyala...

[prasana84]

Ajith padam flop analum loss agathu... thats important. billa, varalaru all were blockbusters. paramasivam, tirupatchi etc were average but you ppl are considering that as flop

Though am not sure about the figures, I get your point.

Adhukku ippa enna? Ajith influential-A illiyA-nnu dhAn ippa pEchu.
nAn influential-nu solraen. neenga enna solreenga?
nan enatha solrathu athan nengaley sollitingaley... :D

[hub rap]

In my (humble-nu solla mudiyAthu) earnest opinion, people should post their list before commenting. sari list vEndAm. You could at least say, so-and-so could have replaced so-and-so in your list.


But, I accept my inability in putting my opinions in a way you could understand.

[crajkumar_be]

In my (humble-nu solla mudiyAthu) earnest opinion, people should post their list before commenting. sari list vEndAm. You could at least say, so-and-so could have replaced so-and-so in your list.

nAnga veLiyilirundhu Adharavu kuduppOm, commit aikka mattom. Power without responsibility :razz:

[Kalyasi]

In my (humble-nu solla mudiyAthu) earnest opinion, people should post their list before commenting. sari list vEndAm. You could at least say, so-and-so could have replaced so-and-so in your list.

nAnga veLiyilirundhu Adharavu kuduppOm, commit aikka mattom. Power without responsibility :razz:

okka saari commit aayi pothe :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[crajkumar_be]

Babu yemi chepthavu? Translasan pliss :twisted:

[Kalyasi]

Babu yemi chepthavu? Translasan pliss :twisted:

oru vaati mudivu pannitom na(commit aayitom na) enga peche naagale kekka maatom nu solla vanthen :lol: :lol:

[crajkumar_be]

:lol:

[raaja_rasigan]

Babu yemi chepthavu? Translasan pliss :twisted:

oru vaati mudivu pannitom na(commit aayitom na) enga peche naagale kekka maatom nu solla vanthen :lol: :lol:

:lol:

kalyasi.. katchi mariteengala?

[Raghu]

very suprised that Dr.SPB is missing in the liset !!!!!

[Ramakrishna]

very suprised that Dr.SPB is missing in the liset !!!!!

whose list? :?

[joe]

very suprised that Dr.SPB is missing in the liset !!!!!

whose list? :?
:lol: Niyayamana keLvi :)

Why don't Raghu post his list instead of expecting his list from others? :)

[vikatan]

Depends what is meant as "influential". Influenced the tamil society as a whole ? Influenced Cinema ?

Here is my list.

(1) AV Meyyappa Chettiar SS Vasan and LV Prasad the 'movie moghuls'. Visionaries without whom Tamil cinema will not be what it is today.

(2) MK Thyagaraja bhagavathar - the first superstar of tamil. Papanasam sivan's songs sung by MKT had a massive impact on an entire generation. I am still amazed how his "Krishna Mukunda Muraare" which did not contain a single tamil word (all sanskrit) was a super dooper hit.

(3) Sivaji Ganesan - Aah ! I guess pages and pages about this great actor has been written in this forum itself. Perhaps no other movie in Tamil film history has had the social impact of 'Parasakthi'

(4) M.G.Ramachandran- Perhaps one of the most influential cinematic personalities ever.
The 'Vaadyar' for an entire generation. As somebody quipped...MGR was a great politician when he was an acting and a great actor when he was a politician.

(5) Kannadasan : No superlative will be enough to describe this king of poets.

(6) Bharathiraja : Film critics divide tamil cinema into before 16-vayathinile and after .What more needs to be said.

(6) Rajinikanth: The concept of one man ruling tamil cinema will end with Rajinikanth when he decides to retire ( my opinon).

(9) Kamalahasan: His records speak for themselves .His energy and commitment to Cinema is incredible. The sakalakalavallavan. Tamil cinema will be indebted to him for bringing in new technology...new dimensions of acting....and er.... getting " illegal inspiration" from some hollywood movies. (sorry to all kamal fans here)

(10) Ilayaraja and Rehman : Trendsetters will be small word. Trail blazers will be a better word to describe these two wizards.

Other names like NSKrishnan, Nagesh, SPB, K.Balachander, Mani Ratnam, M.R.Radha, G.Ramanathan, Manorama come to mind....
But only 10 are allowed in this list.

[vikatan]

Depends what is meant as "influential". Influenced the tamil society as a whole ? Influenced Cinema ?

Here is my list.

(1) AV Meyyappa Chettiar SS Vasan and LV Prasad the 'movie moghuls'. Visionaries without whom Tamil cinema will not be what it is today.

(2) MK Thyagaraja bhagavathar - the first superstar of tamil. Papanasam sivan's songs sung by MKT had a massive impact on an entire generation. I am still amazed how his "Krishna Mukunda Muraare" which did not contain a single tamil word (all sanskrit) was a super dooper hit.

(3) Sivaji Ganesan - Aah ! I guess pages and pages about this great actor has been written in this forum itself. Perhaps no other movie in Tamil film history has had the social impact of 'Parasakthi'

(4) M.G.Ramachandran- Perhaps one of the most influential cinematic personalities ever.
The 'Vaadyar' for an entire generation. As somebody quipped...MGR was a great politician when he was an acting and a great actor when he was a politician.

(5) Kannadasan : No superlative will be enough to describe this king of poets.

(6) Bharathiraja : Film critics divide tamil cinema into before 16-vayathinile and after .What more needs to be said.

(7) Rajinikanth: The concept of one man ruling tamil cinema will end with Rajinikanth when he decides to retire ( my opinon).

(8) Kamalahasan: His records speak for themselves .His energy and commitment to Cinema is incredible. The sakalakalavallavan. Tamil cinema will be indebted to him for bringing in new technology...new dimensions of acting....and er.... getting " illegal inspiration" from some hollywood movies. (sorry to all kamal fans here)

(9) Ilayaraja and Rehman : Trendsetters will be small word. Trail blazers will be a better word to describe these two wizards.

(10) Mani Ratnam and Shankar :

[kalnayak]

My list:
1. Kalaivaanar
2. AVM
3. Director Sridhar
4. Nadigar Thilagam
5. Makkal Thilagam
6. Kaviyarasu
7. Mellisai Mannargal
8. Isaignani
9. Ulaga Naayagan
10. KB, BR, Mahendran, Balu Mahendra, Mani Rathnam, Shankar

[Nasc]

1.Kamal
2.Mani
3.bala - purely for the hope brought in tfi for fresh directors
4.KB
5.MR Radha
6.IR
7.ARR
8.Sivaji Ganesan
9.Kalaingar
10.Rajni

[m_23_bayarea]

Vikatan, Your list is "almost" as close as mine, if I had one! 8-) :P :P

[Nasc]

Depends what is meant as "influential". Influenced the tamil society as a whole ? Influenced Cinema ?

Here is my list.

(1) AV Meyyappa Chettiar SS Vasan and LV Prasad the 'movie moghuls'. Visionaries without whom Tamil cinema will not be what it is today.

(2) MK Thyagaraja bhagavathar - the first superstar of tamil. Papanasam sivan's songs sung by MKT had a massive impact on an entire generation. I am still amazed how his "Krishna Mukunda Muraare" which did not contain a single tamil word (all sanskrit) was a super dooper hit.

(3) Sivaji Ganesan - Aah ! I guess pages and pages about this great actor has been written in this forum itself. Perhaps no other movie in Tamil film history has had the social impact of 'Parasakthi'

(4) M.G.Ramachandran- Perhaps one of the most influential cinematic personalities ever.
The 'Vaadyar' for an entire generation. As somebody quipped...MGR was a great politician when he was an acting and a great actor when he was a politician.

(5) Kannadasan : No superlative will be enough to describe this king of poets.

(6) Bharathiraja : Film critics divide tamil cinema into before 16-vayathinile and after .What more needs to be said.

(6) Rajinikanth: The concept of one man ruling tamil cinema will end with Rajinikanth when he decides to retire ( my opinon).

(9) Kamalahasan: His records speak for themselves .His energy and commitment to Cinema is incredible. The sakalakalavallavan. Tamil cinema will be indebted to him for bringing in new technology...new dimensions of acting....and er.... getting " illegal inspiration" from some hollywood movies. (sorry to all kamal fans here)

(10) Ilayaraja and Rehman : Trendsetters will be small word. Trail blazers will be a better word to describe these two wizards.

Other names like NSKrishnan, Nagesh, SPB, K.Balachander, Mani Ratnam, M.R.Radha, G.Ramanathan, Manorama come to mind....
But only 10 are allowed in this list.

:roll: - ur list already has 12.

[vikatan]

Oops ... yes true. I got my numbers wrong.

Er...can we change the title of this thread to 15 most influential people in tamil cinema ?

Hi bayarea...nice to know that we think alike on this ..

[joe]

Vikatan,
Your 3-9 are also in my list :D

[m_23_bayarea]

Hi bayarea...nice to know that we think alike on this ..

If only you had MS Viswanathan, would have been even closer! :P

[joe]

Hi bayarea...nice to know that we think alike on this ..

If only you had MS Viswanathan, would have been even closer! :P

Applies to me also 8-)

[m_23_bayarea]

Hi bayarea...nice to know that we think alike on this ..

If only you had MS Viswanathan, would have been even closer! :P

Applies to me also 8-)

MSV - added value to MGR and Sivaji's career!

IR - added value to Rajini and Kamal's career!

8-) 8-) 8-)

[Ramakrishna]

My list
1.A.R.Rahman
2.kamalHaasan
3.Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji Ganesan
4.RajiniKanth
5.MGR
6.KB
7.Maniratnam
8.Bharathiraja
9.Ilaiyaraja
10.MSV

[raaja_rasigan]

Myskin's interview in latest AV:

Palar cinemavukku vandhadhukku, Ilayaraja-vum oru karanama irundhuruppar.... aana nan cinemavukku vandhadhukku avar mattumthan karanam!!!!!!!

Isaignani Ilayaraaja :thumbsup: Really an Influential man!!!!

[raaja_rasigan]

[tscii:f21e151f69]My List (Not in any particular order):

1) Ilayaraaja – No need to describe about this genius.
A line from Sindhu Bairavi: “serikkum seravenum adhukkoru pattu padi”.
Ragadevan :notworthy:
2) Barathiraja – gramapurangalil irundha oru thalaimurai ilaignargalukku cinema aasai koduthu bus year veithavar
3) MGR – 2011-il Mudhalvar kanavu pala nadigargalukku vara karanamanavar
4) Sivaji Ganesan – Nadippu Encyclopedia
5) Kannadasan – manappada seyyulai irundha cinema padalgalai elimayakki adhil mudisooda mannaraga thigalndha kaviarasu
6) Rajinikanth – karuppai irundhalum super star aagalam enru nirubithavar
7) Kamalahassan – thamizh cinema-virkku pala technologygalai arimugam seithu adhai ulagatharathukku uyartha thudikkum ulagam viyakkum thamizhaga nayagan
8) TMS, SPB - padum nilakkal… kalathai vellum kuralgalukku sondhakarargal
9) MSV – Mellisai mannar.. janaranjagamana padalgalin munnodi
10) Kalaignar Karunanidhi – verum ezhuthukalal samudhaya matrathai undu panniyavar

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2 more I wish to add:

Goundamani – post 1980, Hero-virkku inayaga sambalam vanga saga comediangalukku katru koduthavar

Vijayakanth – so far not an influential person but I wish him to be in future, also helped a lot of technicians in cinema industry
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[A.ANAND]

My list

1.makkal thilagam
2.nadigar thilagam
3.kannadasan
4.m.r.radha
5.nagesh,gaundamani
6.vaali
7.maniratnam
8.illayaraja
9.a.r.rahman
10.s.p.balasubramanyam,t.m.saundarajan

[app_engine]

[tscii:ce9ccc69a8]Influence of a different kind by MR.



http://entertainment.in.msn.com/southcinema/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1636041

It may be recalled that it was director Maniratnam who started this trend, of compensating losing distributors and theatre-owners with his ‘Iruvar’, which failed at the box-office.

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[sarna_blr]

[tscii:92cac06ad8]My List (Not in any particular order):

1) Ilayaraaja – No need to describe about this genius.
A line from Sindhu Bairavi: “serikkum seravenum adhukkoru pattu padi”.
Ragadevan :notworthy:
2) Barathiraja – gramapurangalil irundha oru thalaimurai ilaignargalukku cinema aasai koduthu bus year veithavar
3) MGR – 2011-il Mudhalvar kanavu pala nadigargalukku vara karanamanavar
4) Sivaji Ganesan – Nadippu Encyclopedia
5) Kannadasan – manappada seyyulai irundha cinema padalgalai elimayakki adhil mudisooda mannaraga thigalndha kaviarasu
6) Rajinikanth – karuppai irundhalum super star aagalam enru nirubithavar
7) Kamalahassan – thamizh cinema-virkku pala technologygalai arimugam seithu adhai ulagatharathukku uyartha thudikkum ulagam viyakkum thamizhaga nayagan
8) TMS, SPB - padum nilakkal… kalathai vellum kuralgalukku sondhakarargal
9) MSV – Mellisai mannar.. janaranjagamana padalgalin munnodi
10) Kalaignar Karunanidhi – verum ezhuthukalal samudhaya matrathai undu panniyavar

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2 more I wish to add:

Goundamani – post 1980, Hero-virkku inayaga sambalam vanga saga comediangalukku katru koduthavar

Vijayakanth – so far not an influential person but I wish him to be in future, also helped a lot of technicians in cinema industry
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Good list and most importantly acceptable reasons 8-)

[MADDY]

ok heres my revised list - this itch of putting up lists doesent go off :lol:

In order of chronology strictly :lol2:

1. Shivaji Ganesan - He is the wikipedia for all tamil actors in terms of acting...his style/mannerisms/dialogue delivery/tamil is followed by one and all.....
2. MGR - Only hero who could succesfully convert his on-screen image into votes.........no body else could do it with such precision and on such a scale 8-)
3. AVM - redefined tamil movie at various stages - be it starting the masala bandwagon with SKV and murattu kaalai or trend of super-duper-mega budget movies like sivaji......
4. K. Balachander - he is to direction what shivaji was for acting....
5. Bharathiraja - his 16 vayadhunile, mudhal mariyadhai are standing examples of movie making.......his tree of assistant directors is the biggest in tamil film industry...
6. Ilayaraja - biggest musical genius to have influcenced the entire state.....made several ordinary movies run 100 days and silver jubilees........first music director to get "hero" status...
7. Kamal hassan - involved in all technical/script innovations of tamil cinema.......single handedly trying to uplift the cinematic taste of a average tamilian......benchmark in acting....
8. Rajinikanth - hit movie spinner......made a state full of wannabe rajinikanths with his style......most current day heroes idolise him for mass movies....
9. Maniratnam/PC sriram - uplifted the visual standards of entire Indian film industry.....infused the aesthecity into masala movie genre..........maniratnam quite successfully de-dramatized the tamilian's view only to be reversed by balu mahendra's assistants post 2000.........PC sriram's assistants are everywhere right from Dhoom-2 to Billa-2007.......
10a. Koundamani - the comic dialoges that you see people speaking now in offices/public places and almost entire TN is of koundar's hit comedy scenes of 90...........grew bigger than heroes at one point of time and was a counterpoint destroying most of "tamilian hypocrisy" with his dialogues........could make movies run on his own......
10b.ARRahman - created the biggest sound revolution in the entire country.....took the fan following for a music director to the next level in TN....

[NOV]

MSV and Kannadhasan? :huh:

[selvakumar]

MSV and Kannadhasan? :huh:
Will be included in the next top 10 thread

[sarna_blr]

10C and 10D :huh:

[NOV]

Will be included in the next top 10 thread:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

let maddy say that and then I will know... :roll:

[MADDY]

MSV and Kannadhasan? :huh:
Will be included in the next top 10 thread

NOV, ofcourse, this is my POV :lol: ........IMO :)

[sarna_blr]

POV'na enna :? :roll:

[MADDY]

POV'na enna :? :roll:

point of view

[sarna_blr]

POV'na enna :? :roll:

point of view

:ty:

[NOV]

ok fine Maddy. Both IR and ARR benefitted from MSV... and then he is left in the limbo (in your POV of course). :lol:

[selvakumar]

ok fine Maddy. Both IR and ARR benefitted from MSV... and then he is left in the limbo (in your POV of course). :lol:
Ithukku thaan naanga ellam aaniyae pudungurathu illai (Top 10).

NOV,
Can you elaborate on the benefits ? That might help me in changing my view on MSV. (Hope you know that I am an ordinary guy who can't understand something that is related to music)

[P_R]

10a. Koundamani - the comic dialoges that you see people speaking now in offices/public places and almost entire TN is of koundar's hit comedy scenes of 90.................
:thumbsup:

I can't remember a 90s kid who didn't latch on to the egathALam and nakkal of Goundamani. Future generations will talk about the contributions to emboldening the average guy to disregard sacred cows. Stop at nothing for a laugh.With breathtaking originality he has managed to influence so many - perhaps without a complete understanding of the enormity of that influence.

[NOV]

my POV on goundamani... tamil cinema's saabakEdu :poke:


selva, some other time... am rushing off... :sigh2:

[MADDY]

ok fine Maddy. Both IR and ARR benefitted from MSV... and then he is left in the limbo (in your POV of course). :lol:

yea, guess its a bit unfair on MSV..........IR and ARR expanded the path that was laid by MSV just like maniratnam walked on mahendran's path but found more success....(i'm in no way equating IR/ARR's style to MSVs aka mani's similarity to mahendran).....i missed sridhar too whom i though was a trend setter in his own right 8-) ......i'm too young to know abt kannadasan's influence - MGR/Sivaji's case is different, since their influences still stand out.......

[NOV]

Both MGR and Sivaji benefitted greatly from both MSV and Kannadhasan :exactly:

[selvakumar]

Could be. MGR was able to get good tunes from many Music directors is what I heard. I might be wrong since I hardly remember any facts on old films.
NOV - Our age is the main problem here (at least I believe)

[MADDY]

:thumbsup:

I can't remember a 90s kid who didn't latch on to the egathALam and nakkal of Goundamani. Future generations will talk about the contributions to emboldening the average guy to disregard sacred cows. Stop at nothing for a laugh.With breathtaking originality he has managed to influence so many - perhaps without a complete understanding of the enormity of that influence.

i think he changed the mindset of a entire generation.....he made people to look at funny side even during adversities...........his best service to tamils was ruthlessness with which he mocked at hypocrisy.........one egjaambil:

senthil: thirupugalai paada paada vaai manakkkum
koundar : pinna yenda dhinamum pal velakkura......

senthil personifies a typical tamilian who just says this to show off his half baked "thirupugal" knowledge and koundar just kills that hypocrisy :lol:

[raaja_rasigan]

my POV on goundamani... tamil cinema's saabakEdu :poke:



telephone wire pinju oru vaaram aachu :poke:


gounder's reply to both the statements:

:lol: :lol: arasiyalla idhellam satharanamappa :lol:

[P_R]

my POV on goundamani... tamil cinema's saabakEdu :poke:

To quote Senthil from Mahaprabhu...neenga innum pakkuvappadalainnu ninaikkirEn :P

[sarna_blr]

senthil: thirupugalai paada paada vaai manakkkum
koundar : pinna yenda dhinamum pal velakkura......

senthil personifies a typical tamilian who just says this to show off his half baked "thirupugal" knowledge and koundar just kills that hypocrisy :lol:

:lol: really funny :P

[NOV]

NOV - Our age is the main problem here (at least I believe)ha ha!
but you can still have high regards for MGR - who is actually of an earlier era :poke:

[NOV]

To quote Senthil from Mahaprabhu...neenga innum pakkuvappadalainnu ninaikkirEn :Pandha pakkuvamadaiyaamalE pOganumnu thaan vEndi kolgirEn.
I pray to God - if any - that I will never descend to such despicable levels in my lifetime. ;)

[rangan_08]

senthil: thirupugalai paada paada vaai manakkkum
koundar : pinna yenda dhinamum pal velakkura......



BTW, I think he says this to a side-kick and not to Senthil (Sooriyan)

[VENKIRAJA]

10a. Koundamani - the comic dialoges that you see people speaking now in offices/public places and almost entire TN is of koundar's hit comedy scenes of 90.................
:thumbsup:

I can't remember a 90s kid who didn't latch on to the egathALam and nakkal of Goundamani. Future generations will talk about the contributions to emboldening the average guy to disregard sacred cows. Stop at nothing for a laugh.With breathtaking originality he has managed to influence so many - perhaps without a complete understanding of the enormity of that influence.

:exactly:

As Senthil says in Indian: "Apsaleetli"
No doubt,he's influenced every single guy in my class.

"Avlo periya thillalangadi-ya nee?"
"Arasiyalla ithellam satharanamappa"
"Ithukku thaan oorla oru All-in-all azhaguraja venumgrathu"
-We all use these dialaaks in day-to-day life.
Gounds=indispensablity.

[Vivasaayi]

venki,

in ur sig...its thamiz...instead of thamizh

[VENKIRAJA]

venki,

in ur sig...its thamiz...instead of thamizh

i actually tried to post it in தமிழ்,but space pathala.Neenga intha converter use panni paarunga.thamiz-nu adicha thaan தமிழ்-nu varuthu.

Yaaravathu signature length+avatar size konjam adjust pannina punniyama pogum.6 kb-ku onnume kedaika maatenguthu.

[joe]

Looks like still there is a confusion on the topic ..top 10 influencial ever or now :wink:

[Vivasaayi]

Looks like still there is a confusion on the topic ..top 10 influencial ever or now :wink:

some people are influential even now

mgr politically

sivaji in acting skills

kannadasan in poetry

idhenna politicsa - ex ministerna influence poradhuku :lol2:

actually the question is "influential(in taste :)) among people or in the industry"

[joe]

Vivaassyi,
some even argued that even PrakashRaj has better influence than poor sivaji ganesan .

[Vivasaayi]

Vivaassyi,
some even argued that even PrakashRaj has better influence than poor sivaji ganesan .

:lol:

[Ramakrishna]

Vivaassyi,
some even argued that even PrakashRaj has better influence than poor sivaji ganesan .

:rotfl2: This was funny :)

[crajkumar_be]

Vivaassyi,
some even argued that even PrakashRaj has better influence than poor sivaji ganesan .
:rotfl2:

[ajithfederer]

:exactly:


ok fine Maddy. Both IR and ARR benefitted from MSV... and then he is left in the limbo (in your POV of course). :lol:
Ithukku thaan naanga ellam aaniyae pudungurathu illai (Top 10).

[selvakumar]

NOV - Our age is the main problem here (at least I believe)ha ha!
but you can still have high regards for MGR - who is actually of an earlier era :poke:
:lol:
"Visibility" - Many aspire to follow him. Moreover, his movies have special impact. Lack of his "type of movies" can increase the impact of movies like maayakannadi :)
And NOV - He is an inspiration for many actors who became politicians later on

[Thirumaran]

And NOV - He is an inspiration for many actors who became politicians later on

His movies were benchmark for making entertainment movies, though nowadays several of such movies just give cheap masalas :oops:

[omega]

And NOV - He is an inspiration for many actors who became politicians later on

His movies were benchmark for making entertainment movies, though nowadays several of such movies just give cheap masalas :oops:

If you recollect his late movies were the starting point for the so called cheap masalas (depending on some skin show)....His earlier movies yes were clean commercial entertainters.

[HonestRaj]

I wud like to say a few:

If MGR is considered as the Actor / star who is considered as influential to his juniors to enter into politics... there was a large gap (nearly 25 years) for actors / successful hero's to start a new party. Eventhough they come into active politics, they wud join with anyother big party at that time.

Even some great stars had hesitation whether it would work out or not. Only after seeing, Vijayakanth - The Captain's success, even Mega Star Chiranjeevi had started his own party.

What wud other stars think: "10 nal padam odura indha aalukke ivvalavu kootam varudhunna.. avana vida adhiga hit tharroam namakku koottam seradha?"

That's y, sarathkumar after being in DMK & ADMK, he started his own party.

We donno, how many others have these idea & vijay already launched his flag.

VIJAYAKANTH - Certainly An Influence :D

[sarna_blr]

VIJAYAKANTH - Certainly An Influence :D

ayam sarry.. teknic falt :P

[HonestRaj]

:lol:

Signature will be changed by tomorrow :mrgreen:

[sarna_blr]

pAru.. seyyaradhayum senjuputtu muzhikkiradhai pAru.. thiruvizhala kAnAma pona puLLai mAdhiri :evil:

[HonestRaj]

ayyo....... vara vara ivanunga thollai thanga mudiyalai... pesama hub-bing quit panniralamnu irukkaen :sigh2:

aana nan illaina sila thread move aaga mattengudhu.. MLA valaye sadhikka mudiyalayam.. ennai sadhikka solranga :P

[Raikkonen]

honestu...

ippa enna arthatula ipdi pesureenga... gounder thread, vjk thread-kellam puthu thread arambikkanum-nu sonnengale, athellam yaar seiva?

[HonestRaj]

honestu...

ippa enna arthatula ipdi pesureenga... gounder thread, vjk thread-kellam puthu thread arambikkanum-nu sonnengale, athellam yaar seiva?

indha oru visayathukkagatham.. ithana pazhi pavangalayum sumandhukittu oru nadai pinamaaaaaa vaaazhdhukittu irukkaen..... Raikooooo

[oqovubeha]

prasanna u got rite list for 11 to 20 bcoz first 10 places goes to an individual called MARUTHUR GOPALAN RAMACHANDRAN

[Raajjaa]

தமிழ் சினிமாவில் செல்வாக்கு மிக்கவர்கள் என்பதை விட சாதனை புரிந்தவர்கள் பட்டியல் - எனது பார்வையில்

1. எம்.ஜி.ஆர் - தமிழ் திரை உலகில் இருந்த வரை சாதனை என்ற வார்த்தைக்கு ஒரே சொந்தக்காரர்.

2. கமல்ஹாசன் - தமிழில் மட்டும் அல்லாமல் தெலுங்கு,ஹிந்தி,மலையாளம்,கன்னடம் என எல்லா மொழிகளிலும் கதாநாயகனாக நடித்து வெற்றி பெற்ற ஓரே தமிழ் நடிகர்.

3. எஸ்.பி. பாலசுப்ரமணியம் - தமிழ்,ஹிந்தி,தெலுங்கு,கன்னடம் என எல்லா மொழிகளிலும் வெற்றி பெற்ற ஒரே பாடகர்.

4. பாலசந்தர் - சமூகத்தில் நடக்கும் அவலங்களை 40 வருடங்களுக்கு முன்பே தைரியமாக எடுத்துக் கூறிய முதல் இயக்குநர்.

5. பாக்யராஜ் - இயக்குநரும் கதாநாயகனாக நடித்து உச்சத்தை தொடலாம் என்று நிரூபித்துக் காட்டியவர். இவரது தாவணிக் கனவுகள் படம் தான் தமிழில் 1 கோடிக்கு விற்பனையான முதல் படம்.

6. இளையராஜா - குறுகிய காலத்தில் அதிக படங்களுக்கு இசை அமைத்து சாதனை புரிந்தவர். இவர் பாடல்களுக்காகவே ஓடிய படங்கள் ஏராளம்.

7. A.r.ரஹ்மான் - தனது இசையால் இந்தியாவையே மயங்க வைத்த ஒரே இசை அமைப்பாளர்.

8. சுருளிராஜன் - ஒரே வருடத்தில்(1980) கிட்டதட்ட 50 படங்களில் நடித்த ஒரே நகைச்சுவை நடிகர்.இவரது 'மாந்தோப்பு கிளியே' படத்தின் நகைச்சுவை காட்சிகள் தனி இசைதட்டாக வெளி வந்து மிக பெரிய வெற்றி பெற்றதை போல வேறு எந்த நகைச்சுவை நடிகருக்கும் வெற்றி பெற்றதில்லை. இவர் மட்டும் உயிருடன் இருந்திருந்தால் கவுண்டமணி -செந்தில் கூட்டணி வெற்றி பெற்று இருக்குமா என்று தெரியவில்லை.

9.....

10....

[Richardsof]

Makkal thilagam

nadigar thilagam

msv-ramoorthy

tms- lreswari

kannadasan - vali
ranga rao- balaiah
sridhar
balachander
jaishankar- ravichandran
nagesh

[Scale]

MGR
Sivaji Ganesan
MSV + Kannadasan
KB
Ilayaraaja
Rajnikanth
Kamalhaasan
Maniratnam
A R Rahman
Shankar

[JamesFague]

Nadigar Thilagam
Makkal Thilagam
Sridhar
Kannadasan
MSV
TMS
P Susheela
Nagesh
M R Radha
S V Ranga Rao

[vijeeshgovindhan]

MGR
Sivaji Ganesan
MSV
Kannadhasan
KB
Ilayaraaja
Kamalhaasan
Maniratnam
SPB
A R Rahman

[ravi200101]

Acting: MGR, Sivaji
Direction: KB, Bharathiraja, Manirathnam and Sridhar.
Music : MSV, TKR, Ilayaraja , KVM
Male singer: TMS, SPB
Female singer: P Susheela
Lyrics: Kannadasan, Vaali.
Comedy: Nagesh, Chandrababu, Vadivelu.

[SMI]

Acting: MGR, Sivaji
Direction: KB, Bharathiraja, Manirathnam and Sridhar.
Music : MSV, TKR, Ilayaraja , KVM
Male singer: TMS, SPB
Female singer: P Susheela
Lyrics: Kannadasan, Vaali.
Comedy: Nagesh, Chandrababu, Vadivelu.

Objection your honor. Neenga yaara vittuteenganu oorukkE theriyum. Harichandhiran kooda sila poigaL solli irukkalaam, adhu varalaatrin pakkangaLil varaamal poyirukkalaam. aanaa influential comedian person listla yaaru pEru varanumO adhu varaNum :)

And music should have GR.

[ravi200101]

Objection your honor. Neenga yaara vittuteenganu oorukkE theriyum. Harichandhiran kooda sila poigaL solli irukkalaam, adhu varalaatrin pakkangaLil varaamal poyirukkalaam. aanaa influential comedian person listla yaaru pEru varanumO adhu varaNum :)

And music should have GR.

I presume that you refer to GM. GM's comedies are great and was very popular among the youth of his time. But did it reach all sections of TN people? When Nagesh, Vadivelu and Chandrababu come on scene all levels of people from kids to old enjoy those scenes. This is my opinion on this matter.

GR is a fantastic musician and is a genius. Many of his tunes are timeless. I have only part information about his career. MSV, KVM , Ilayaraja were dominant for almost 2 to 4 decades. Was GR in the music field that long? Please let me know.

[SMI]

GR is a fantastic musician and is a genius. Many of his tunes are timeless. I have only part information about his career. MSV, KVM , Ilayaraja were dominant for almost 2 to 4 decades. Was GR in the music field that long? Please let me know.

GR was active for more than 20 years. The quote below is from one of the old threads:



Some time back VM in vairamuthu nEram on some FM - "I have checked with many singers from the past era on who they consider to be the greatest musician and every one said GR. When he sits before the harmonium no body knows what sort of music would be coming out of it. Toys are made out of dyes and look similar where as each sculpture is unique. GR's songs are sculptures"


I presume that you refer to GM. GM's comedies are great and was very popular among the youth of his time. But did it reach all sections of TN people? When Nagesh, Vadivelu and Chandrababu come on scene all levels of people from kids to old enjoy those scenes. This is my opinion on this matter.

Indha relatively recent poll results in hub paarththu mudivu senjikonga :). ayaam ellam vote paNNala

http://www.mayyam.com/talk/poll.php?pollid=552&do=showresults

[Saai]

GR was active for more than 20 years. The quote below is from one of the old threads:


Just happened to know that a lot of my favorite old songs are by G Ramanathan. I never went into the details of 'who and whose' for those songs. Now as I search for his discography, interesting to know that that his songs have consistently impressed me :) Even recently I stumbled across a song called 'vanamevum rajakumara' from Raja desingu and it was a 'fabulous first listen'.

[Thomasstemy]

1) The Pride of Tamilnadu, Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji Ganesan - The only film that ran for 150 days in Sathyam for the year 2012 is "KARNAN". Any better evidence anybody could ask for the impact of him and his film even to this current generation. He was the most preferred actor for the producers, performing at an average of close to 8 films per year yet giving great epics and mythology films like Veerapandiya Kattabomman, Kappal Otiya Thamizhan, Karnan, Raja Raja Chozhan, Thiruvarutchelvar, Kandhan Karunai, Saraswathi Sabatham, etc., besides bringing in sentiments like Paasamalar, Vietnam Veedu. Not just restricting with sentiments, he also touched upon dutiful Civilian Role, Public Servants character, Freedom fighters like Tiruppur Kumaran, Vanchinathan etc., The only hero who had the guts to perform out and out villain even after becoming the hero at regular intervals.

The only hero across India to have won the First International Award - Asia-Afro's Best Actor as early as 1960. Just within 7 years of his coming to film world.
Also, Till date, he is the only hero across India to have been honored "One Day Mayor for the city of Niagra and was presented with the Golden Key of Cairo. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru is the other personality from India.

2) Kannadasan - Every lyricist atleast writes one song in his style before they retire. Such was his inspiration

3) MSV - The recent TRP ratings of MURASU and SUN LIVE for old songs mostly from MSV is one ideal example of how his music goes beyond generations.

4) TMS - One Golden Voice that helped Mr.M.G.Ramachandran to a larger extent in making people to enjoy the philosophical and policy based songs.

4) Ilayaraja - His talent that invited foreigners for "Symphony"

5) Rajinikanth - The style of walking,lighting cigarette, smiling etc., that he adapted from Nadigar Thilagam which made him more popular than today's hero is one example.

6) SPB - Known as Kishore Kumar of South, SPB had rendered all varieties of songs across ages, generation and music

7) Manirathnam - Dim Lights, Dark Scenes, One word dialogues, Pale expressions from leads - the trend copied by many even today.

8) AR Rahman - Though most of his tunes, we can see and hear from MTV, if we watch for couple of hours, still copying requires an enormous talent.

9) Kamalahassan - Quick enough to realize he is loosing the market competing with Rajinikanth, shifted his focus and adapted to character driven roles - Thanks to Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji Ganesan's timely advise.

10) Still Vacant and No deserving person

[Saai]

Kamalahassan - Quick enough to realize he is loosing the market competing with Rajinikanth, shifted his focus and adapted to character driven roles - Thanks to Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji Ganesan's timely advise.


With great respect to Shivaji Ganesan, kindly stop posting just inflammatory/baseless (being diplomatic here considering your age) statements :)

One - Kamal haasan played a village idiot,a womanizer, a normal school teacher and a psychopath killer even before his rivalry with Rajinikanth became intense.

Two - Its not like Shivaji ganesan called one day morning and advised kamal to change the track to charecter driven roles and kamal became a great actor at once overnight.

Kamal is NOT just a great actor. He is a trailblazer in more than one aspects of tamil cinema. He produced quality movies with his own money, wrote great movies and starred in them. Its not just about a Shivaji Ganesan inside Kamal haasan. He is much more than that and truly multi-faceted.

Coming to acting alone, he shined in all the genre. It is not just about multiple roles. Comedy, Romance, Drama(Dance or family or whatever), Action - you name it, he did it. Just talking about his versatility in comic roles alone- There is none to compare previous or this generation. From pushpak to mmkr to sathi leelavathi. Only actor whom I could think of as his rival in this department is Rajnikanth. Sorry for being rude here - the difference between Bale Pandiya/Galatta kalyanam and MMKR/Sathi leelavathi is there for anyone to see. Of course, I know that barrister Rajnikanth Shivaji ganesan's forte and not kamal haasan's.


To conclude - ONLY Kamal Haasan could have played all the roles that he has so far. Any actor in the previous or this generation could have played only a subset of those roles. I am ready for a debate.

[Anban]

Everyone is going to post their favourite ten, which is going to be a very biased one filed with some nonsense.

[Saai]

Everyone is going to post their favourite ten, which is going to be a very biased one filed with some nonsense.

Its ok until it just remains as a list. But adhoda mane thene pon mane podumpodhuthaan pesa vendhiyadhaayirudhu

[venkkiram]

* சிவாஜி
* எம்.ஆர்.ராதா
* எம்.எஸ்.வி
* கண்ணதாசன்
* நாகேஷ்
* மனோரமா
* இளையராஜா
* கமல்
* ரஜினி
* கவுண்டர்
* வைரமுத்து
* பிசிஸ்ரீராம்
* மணிரத்னம்
* பாரதிராஜா
* ரஹ்மான்
* சூப்பர் சூப்பராயன்
* தோட்டாதரணி

[venkkiram]

மற்ற பதிவுகளை படிக்கும்போது பெண்களின் பெயர்களே காணோமே! எனது பட்டியல் நீண்டு கொண்டே போனதால் நிறுத்திவிட்டேன். இல்லையென்றால் சில்க் ஸ்மிதா, சிம்ரன்களை சேர்க்க ஆசை.

[Thomasstemy]

With great respect to Shivaji Ganesan, kindly stop posting just inflammatory/baseless (being diplomatic here considering your age) statements :)

One - Kamal haasan played a village idiot,a womanizer, a normal school teacher and a psychopath killer even before his rivalry with Rajinikanth became intense.

Two - Its not like Shivaji ganesan called one day morning and advised kamal to change the track to charecter driven roles and kamal became a great actor at once overnight.

Kamal is NOT just a great actor. He is a trailblazer in more than one aspects of tamil cinema. He produced quality movies with his own money, wrote great movies and starred in them. Its not just about a Shivaji Ganesan inside Kamal haasan. He is much more than that and truly multi-faceted.

Coming to acting alone, he shined in all the genre. It is not just about multiple roles. Comedy, Romance, Drama(Dance or family or whatever), Action - you name it, he did it. Just talking about his versatility in comic roles alone- There is none to compare previous or this generation. From pushpak to mmkr to sathi leelavathi. Only actor whom I could think of as his rival in this department is Rajnikanth. Sorry for being rude here - the difference between Bale Pandiya/Galatta kalyanam and MMKR/Sathi leelavathi is there for anyone to see. Of course, I know that barrister Rajnikanth Shivaji ganesan's forte and not kamal haasan's.


To conclude - ONLY Kamal Haasan could have played all the roles that he has so far. Any actor in the previous or this generation could have played only a subset of those roles. I am ready for a debate.

Could you enlighten all on Mr.Kamalahassan career before Aboorva Sahodarargal?
How many land mark films barring Moondram Pirai?

Do you know his status post his films like Ellam Inbamayam, Mangamma Sabatham, Sankarlal, kadal meengal, Pagadai Pannirendu, Hare Targa Harekrishna etc., Infact. In a doordharshan intervie Mr.Kamalahassan himself admitted that it was Mr.Sivajis advise which he co.sidered as his father's, he started transforming himself from another Masala Man to choosing subjects.

Pls check Sivaji Productions list of films which will tell you that not just Tamil but also they had produced Hindi films with Stalwarts of Nort India.

Mr.Kamalhassan got into the skin of all departments over the last 10 to 19 years..That's because he had appeared or committed in less number of films. His average was not even 4 per annum, post Apoorva sahodarargal and he is now doing 2 or 3 for ever 2 years. Obviously, he has all the time in the world and interest to learn ofcourse...He was not todays kamalahassan before Apoorva Sahodarargal...

Am ready to prove NT's Supremacy over any Actor across globe than a mere debate my friend.

[Srimannarayanan]

Could you enlighten all on Mr.Kamalahassan career before Aboorva Sahodarargal?
How many land mark films barring Moondram Pirai?

Do you know his status post his films like Ellam Inbamayam, Mangamma Sabatham, Sankarlal, kadal meengal, Pagadai Pannirendu, Hare Targa Harekrishna etc., Infact. In a doordharshan intervie Mr.Kamalahassan himself admitted that it was Mr.Sivajis advise which he co.sidered as his father's, he started transforming himself from another Masala Man to choosing subjects.

Pls check Sivaji Productions list of films which will tell you that not just Tamil but also they had produced Hindi films with Stalwarts of Nort India.

Mr.Kamalhassan got into the skin of all departments over the last 10 to 19 years..That's because he had appeared or committed in less number of films. His average was not even 4 per annum, post Apoorva sahodarargal and he is now doing 2 or 3 for ever 2 years. Obviously, he has all the time in the world and interest to learn ofcourse...He was not todays kamalahassan before Apoorva Sahodarargal...

Am ready to prove NT's Supremacy over any Actor across globe than a mere debate my friend.


Could you enlighten all on Mr.Kamalahassan career before Aboorva Sahodarargal?
How many land mark films barring Moondram Pirai

Aboorva sagodharargal was released on 1989. Before that His landmark films were
Naygan(1987),Pushpak(1988),Sagara Sangamam
(1983), Swathi Mutyam(1985),Sigappu Rojakkal (1978),16 Vayathinile(1977 barring Mundram Pirai

One more thing.

It is not hare targa. It is Hare Radha Hare Krishna.

[Saai]

Could you enlighten all on Mr.Kamalahassan career before Aboorva Sahodarargal?
How many land mark films barring Moondram Pirai?

Probably you should ask Barathiraja, Balachander, K Vishwanath, Maniratnam,Balumahendra, Rudraiyya and Singeetham srinivasa rao this question. They might have the answer.


Do you know his status post his films like Ellam Inbamayam, Mangamma Sabatham, Sankarlal, kadal meengal, Pagadai Pannirendu, Hare Targa Harekrishna etc., Infact. In a doordharshan intervie Mr.Kamalahassan himself admitted that it was Mr.Sivajis advise which he co.sidered as his father's, he started transforming himself from another Masala Man to choosing subjects.

Between the timeline of the the films you have mentioned - Kamal haasan has gave multiple blockbusters, won a national award and two international awards. Probably you missed out those films as you were busy watching Pilot Premnath, Justice Gopinath, Thirisoolam, Lorry driver Rajakannu, Sangili, Simam soppanam during that timeline.


Pls check Sivaji Productions list of films which will tell you that not just Tamil but also they had produced Hindi films with Stalwarts of Nort India.

Yeah!.checked the filmography of Shivaji Productions - Fantastic movies they are.


Mr.Kamalhassan got into the skin of all departments over the last 10 to 19 years..That's because he had appeared or committed in less number of films. His average was not even 4 per annum, post Apoorva sahodarargal and he is now doing 2 or 3 for ever 2 years. Obviously, he has all the time in the world and interest to learn ofcourse. He was not todays kamalahassan before Apoorva Sahodarargal...

So Kamal haasan - all of a sudden became a writer, producer, directer after AS as he HAD time. Fantastic!

[Saai]

Regarding Shivaji's influence on other actors - Shivaji had a great influence on himself so that he almost he became of a caricature of his old-self in movies like Thirisoolam

[Thomasstemy]

Could you enlighten all on Mr.Kamalahassan career before Aboorva Sahodarargal?
How many land mark films barring Moondram Pirai

Aboorva sagodharargal was released on 1989. Before that His landmark films were
Naygan(1987),Pushpak(1988),Sagara Sangamam
(1983), Swathi Mutyam(1985),Sigappu Rojakkal (1978),16 Vayathinile(1977 barring Mundram Pirai

One more thing.

It is not hare targa. It is Hare Radha Hare Krishna.

Yeah...that was a auto complete error as am typing from my mobile. It is Krishna.
Hope by now, you would have seen the gap.from red roses to
To swathi muthyam.....it is wide....similarly Sahara sangamam to Nayagan.....Pushpak is a good film nodoubt but not a landmark...

You had mentioned that Barrister Rajinikanth is not Kamalhassan forte...That itself sumsup that what I had mentioned is diplomatically accepted.
For your information, am not an old guy as you think I could be my dear friend...:smokesmile:

[Srimannarayanan]

Probably you should ask Barathiraja, Balachander, K Vishwanath, Maniratnam,Balumahendra, Rudraiyya and Singeetham srinivasa rao this question. They might have the answer.



Between the timeline of the the films you have mentioned - Kamal haasan has gave multiple blockbusters, won a national award and two international awards. Probably you missed out those films as you were busy watching Pilot Premnath, Justice Gopinath, Thirisoolam, Lorry driver Rajakannu, Sangili, Simam soppanam during that timeline.



Yeah!.checked the filmography of Shivaji Productions - Fantastic movies they are.



So Kamal haasan - all of a sudden became a writer, producer, directer after AS as he HAD time. Fantastic!


Excellent Post. :CLAP:

[joe]

I don't see any fruitful discussion on this NT-kamal thingi .. Both sides just throwing the mud on other side :sigh:

[Srimannarayanan]

Yeah...that was a auto complete error as am typing from my mobile. It is Krishna.
Hope by now, you would have seen the gap.from red roses to
To swathi muthyam.....it is wide....similarly Sahara sangamam to Nayagan.....Pushpak is a good film nodoubt but not a landmark...

You had mentioned that Barrister Rajinikanth is not Kamalhassan forte...That itself sumsup that what I had mentioned is diplomatically accepted.
For your information, am not an old guy as you think I could be my dear friend...:smokesmile:

Barrister Raininikanth

Where did i mention that Barristor Rajnikanth is not Kamal's forte?

[Saai]

I don't see any fruitful discussion on this NT-kamal thingi .. Both sides just throwing the mud on other side :sigh:

Kindly check the post which started this.