MAJORITY Views... Need Not be CORRECT.!

[Sudhaama]

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.MAJORITY Views... Need Not be CORRECT.!

Yes... Sometimes even the Majority of the Wise... commit Himalayan-Blunders.!..

..and Repeant Subsequently.!!

Why and How... is another Question.

But our Rudimentary concern is...

..Should we fall behind the Flock of the Blind-Sheeps.?

Already the World has seen several such Bad-examples.!!

Yes the Great Jesus Christ... the Prophet...God's transcendental Messenger...

... during his last days towards crucification...

... was scoffed and laughed at by the Majority of the People.!...

..Not only the People... but also the then Learned Scholars too.!!...

And later on they all realised and confessed on it...

...but too late to reconcile nor correct the Injustice rendered to a Great Soul who descended to Earth...

..on a NOBLE PURPOSE... to Emancipate the Mankind..!

...But the VERY POOR ILL-TREATMENT of irreparable Insult rendered to such a Great Soul... because of MAJORITY VIEWS...

... Pitiable.! Miserable.! Foolish.!!...Is it Not.?

Similarly when another Holy Messenger of God... the Sal, the Great Mohammad came down to Earth...

...to uplift the Mankind...

...sincerely and selflessly preached to the then Mankind... living as Savages...

...as to what makes the difference between Bestial-Culture and Human-Culture...

..the unparallel purpose of the Supreme Human-birth...

...and the pursuit towards God, the Invincible Universal-Master Allah... the Great Emancipator of Mankind

That Noble Soul... the Prophet was made to Quit Mecca and shift to Medina.

Then the majority of his erstwhile Followers turned against him...

...falling in with the Majority... as prey to the misguidance of the then Autocratic rulers of Arabia.

Thus the Majority of his erstwhile disciples did not accompany him...

But they all subsequently realised their folly.

Similarly we notice in our day to practice... even now-a-days... how people take up on...

...Life-Principles, Policies, Foods, Consumer- Products, Magazine-Articles and Stories, Cinemas and Entertainments too.! Is it not.?

Whereto we are going....

...by following the MAJORITY-VIEWS.?

Should we continue to adopt the Majority Views must be Correct.?
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[anbu_kathir]

Well, majority views need not be incorrect either.

Human society has always resisted and will always resist change, either 'good' or 'bad', as we may choose to call it. But change is a law of nature and will continue to happen.

Love and Light.

[Sudhaama]

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Majority-Views.. DEPENDABLE as Ultimate- Guide / SOLUTION.?

...or the Commonly adoptable Social-Verdict.??

...as is being considered Now-a-days.?

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Well, majority views need not be incorrect either.

Human society has always resisted and will always resist change, either 'good' or 'bad', as we may choose to call it. But change is a law of nature and will continue to happen.

Love and Light.

[anbu_kathir]

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Majority-Views.. DEPENDABLE as Ultimate- Guide / SOLUTION.?

...or the Commonly adoptable Social-Verdict.??

...as is being considered Now-a-days.?


If majority views are not the solution/view to be adopted, what is the other option?

Love and Light.

[pavalamani pragasam]

In politics at least democracy is better than dictatorship/autocracy.

[Sudhaama]

In politics at least democracy is better than dictatorship/autocracy.

We are not discussing about the various Political systems...

...such as Democracy, Monarchy, Heirarchy, Communism, Socialism etc.

...But the Common-belief in the Society... now-a-days...

...that the Majority Views is the best solution.!

..Is it Correct to have such a Blind-policy...

...of Senseless following the Flock of Sheep.?
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[Badri]

So, in opening this to discussion, what are you looking for? What the majority thinks?

:roll:

[Sudhaama]

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Majority-Views.. DEPENDABLE as Ultimate- Guide / SOLUTION.?

...or the Commonly adoptable Social-Verdict.??

...as is being considered Now-a-days.?


If majority views are not the solution/view to be adopted, what is the other option?

Love and Light.


So, in opening this to discussion, what are you looking for? What the majority thinks?

:roll:

In this Great Country, U.S.A... the MOST ADVANCED Model-Nation...

...for the World...

..recently in one of the states... basing on the Majority-Views...

...one of the Election-promises made... was, if elected to power... he will enact a Law ...

..that Human-Marriages need not be binding to be between the Opposite Sex... but also SAME-SEX...

Accordingly the Law has been enacted basing on the MAJORITY VIEWS and Wishes.

Whether it is correct and the best to enact such a crucial-law... is totally out of question here.

But my only question is the Basis and the Emanating ROOT for the Decision ...MAJORITY-VIEWS...

Is it Correct for the Common-man amongst the Society...

... to JUST FOLLOW ... as the BEST OPTION.?

...simply because the Majority Views of the People is...

..SAME SEX Marriage.?

This is just One Example of the Trend of the day.!
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[NOV]

and what is so wrong in that? :huh: why do we have to be judgemental about everything? why can't we shrug it away as something foreign to us? :roll:
why should something that happens behind closed doors bother us? :sigh2:

[pavalamani pragasam]

Neither is it advisable for responsible persons to refrain from expressing their condemnation of a certain matter for fear of being branded as being 'udgemental' nor is it advisable to shrug away an unnatural development as something 'foreign' in this globally connected era! :(

[NOV]

sorry PP, I disagree with you completely. condemning private matters under the shield of "responsibe person" is justifcation of human nature to probe and pry.

what are we so afraid of?

[Sudhaama]

and what is so wrong in that? :huh: why do we have to be judgemental about everything? why can't we shrug it away as something foreign to us? :roll:
why should something that happens behind closed doors bother us? :sigh2:

The present day is a GLOBALISED approach...

...NOT BEHIND THE DOOR... as it used to be... LONG LONG AGO..

...ONCE UPON A TIME.!

We are seeing now-a-days... the present day Younger generation is easily susceptible and prone to imitate blindly...

..in the name of the NEWLY INTRODUCTED Idea or Practice or Trend amongst the Society...

..in a Far-off Great Land.!

Can we say... such an INCREDIBLE trend does not affect the Youth in either Malaysia or Singapore or India or elsewhere in the World.?..

..even though quite a remote land.?

Not only in that aspect... even within ones own Nation... we see the General Policy of the present day Society is...

...Majority Views LEADING TO POPULARITY...

...must be the BEST OPTION to be adopted...in the interests of ones own too!

..Is it Correct to Conclude so... as the BASIS.?
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[NOV]

I think you are not giving enough credit to the young. Don't you think they have minds to think?
And to think that being homosexual is desirable? :frightened: much less adaptable when one is not? :roll:

[pavalamani pragasam]

sorry PP, I disagree with you completely. condemning private matters under the shield of "responsibe person" is justifcation of human nature to probe and pry.

what are we so afraid of?

I thought it has ceased to be a private matter with a government statute coming out to uphold a trend legally tenable! A thin line divides, perhaps, real concern from 'probing & prying'!!! Very sad state of affairs! :( Just like people of glitterati cannot escape public glare & criticism, people 'benefitting' from law cannot escape scrutiny & judgement! My humble opinion.

[pavalamani pragasam]

I remember once (very long ago) Badri helping me to approach the subject with more understanding. I am still baffled!

[NOV]

Personally I dont think this trend will continue for long. Its just the forbidden fruit effect probably. I cannot and won't try to understand the need for such a union (marriage) I mean. :sigh2:

[NOV]

anyway, the vast majority of people do not support such unions. so if we go according to sudhamma's opinion, the majority views... need not be correct. :D :D :D

[NOV]

I remember once (very long ago) Badri helping me to approach the subject with more understanding. I am still baffled!sorry, if I sounded harsh. you know I have the deepest respect for you. :oops:

[Sudhaama]

I think you are not giving enough credit to the young. Don't you think they have minds to think?
And to think that being homosexual is desirable? :frightened: much less adaptable when one is not? :roll:

My Question is NOT ON the Positive or Negative- Values of Homo-Sexual practices...

...resulting in the so called Human-binding relation... in the name of Marriage.!

Totally it is a Private affair... let each decide what is best for him / her.

But I reiterate on... ONLY THE BASIS... the POPULARITY..

...because of MAJORITY-VIEWS as the Best Option.!
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[Sudhaama]

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[Sudhaama]

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Oh.! My Dear Youth.!... Two Words of Caution... IN YOUR INTERESTS.!







I think you are not giving enough credit to the young. Don't you think they have minds to think?
And to think that being homosexual is desirable? :frightened: much less adaptable when one is not? :roll:

My Question is NOT ON the Positive or Negative- Values of Homo-Sexual practices...

...resulting in the so called Human-binding relation... in the name of Marriage.!

Totally it is a Private affair... let each decide what is best for him / her.

But I reiterate on... ONLY THE BASIS... the POPULARITY..

...because of MAJORITY-VIEWS as the Best Option.!
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The Prime Question... whether it is proper to adopt Homo-sexual practice.... is One aspect.

...which factor has to be analysed Scientifically and decided by the Individual concerned... IN ONES OWN INTERESTS

While another aspect... which I highlight here... is the Madness of some people blindly adopting it... following the Flock of Sheep...

....taking shelter on its POPULARITY based on MAJORITY VIEWS in its favour.

Is it fair.?

By both aspects... such a Malpractice... a PERVERTED SEXUAL ASSASSINATION... is VERY DANGEROUS... in the interests of the concerned...

...we the Social-minded well-wishers of Universal-Love... have to CAUTION against such Rashness.!....

...a SUICIDAL PATH.!

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[Sudhaama]

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[Ramona]

[tscii:a213edf699]Rightly said; majority views need not be correct. A minority dissenting can be damn correct. I had taken this position fourteen years ago and was penalized for it. Need not say where.

The first question is, who is that majority? This question raises a host of other questions, such as social backgrounds, race, sex, values etc. Such factors do affect a majority or minority view which would in effect, impact on the issues at hand to be decided upon and the lives of homosexuals in this case, it will affect.

Unfortunately, the majority view over a minority view is used as the only best way in making a decision since a better way seems not to exist.

The lives of many individuals affected negatively by a majority view that need not be correct, but which the law upholds, fall into this “crack”.

The “constitutional rights” of individuals also play a significant role and what might be thought of as a majority support, may not necessarily be so. A majority has to decide on the constitutional issues placed before them and a legislation initially came into effect and implemented for one thing, is found convenient to be patriated for another. This often occurs due to "ambiguity" in the legislation itself. This offers more than one interpretation, but still consistent with the constitutional rights of the individual or class of persons that requires protection of their rights and interest. Then there came the demand for same sex marriage by a "class" of persons.

The decision makers or viewers have no choice in having to deal with the demand before them in light of the constitutiona; rights its based on. It does not mean that they truly and holy support the view they adopt.

Worse yet, is a majority deciding for an individual or class of individuals it has nothing in common with. Yet, this practice has gone on for centuries.
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[Sudhaama]

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One of the GREAT Prides of GLORIOUS India--


--Dr B.R. Ambedkar said:


--I am an ARYAN by Human-Race.! Why.?




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//It is truly dravid temple, which is confirmed by Archaelogical department as Jain temple. Many brahmins silently believe and agree that it is originally Jain temple converted by Ramanujam and Sankaracharya as 1000s of other dravid Jain temples converted, rechristened by Avatar philiosophy. No Historian can ever claim that there was any god by name Lord venkateshwara.//

What do you mean by dravid temple/ Is there any Aryan Temple anywhere named so by History or Epigraphy.?



//Archaeological Senior officers (who chose not to comment much due to political and brahmin (aryan)dominance ) firmly believe that originally complete dravid population was Jain who were not fighters like aryans, and believers of Ahimsa, whose heritage was stolen by cunning aryans who came to India around 3500 years ago. They slowly entered into dravid land grabbed their property, culture, heritage and even literature.//

//From ages dravid history has been mutilated, wrongly potrayed by so called responsbile vested interests of society, politics and even government. It is Aryans whose history, mythology and wrong facts are superimposed over dravid history, who were immigrants to India.//


First of all, my dear Friend, please understand, Dr Ambedkar proudly called himself as Aryan!

And he vehemently refuted the BOGUS claims of the British made CONCOCTED INDIAN HISTORY---

---by name of ARYAN INVASION THEORY.--- which sort of Invasion never took place according to proven World history

Dr Ambedkar was well-convinced on the proven findings of Dr Max muller, the famous German Scholar after his impartial and unbiased Historical –Research on Aryans and so called Dravidians.
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With a crooked intention to BREAK THE UNITY of the Indian people then--- fighting for Freedom under the leadership of MKGandhiji--

----the British rulers mischievously created a FALSE INDIAN HISTORY-

-- claiming that the Indians are of two different Origins by Race as Aryans and Dravidians.

And that the Brahmins are the descendents of Aryans.! On what basis?

Just to create a VENOM of Caste-hatredness amongst the homogeneous Indian people.

Dr Ambedkar was well-convinced by means of Dr Max Muller’s Research Books--- that all along the past Indian Race Origin, there was only one race so called Aryans…

--but by means of their two different sorts of occupations --- in Forests and Non-Forest lands.---they classified themselves by two divisions as STHITHA-VAASI ARYANS and DRAVIDA-VAASI ARYANS--

Even within one and the same family, there existed two such sorts of functionaries by professional nomenclature.

Sthitha-vaasi Aryans got engaged in the NON-MOVING Resident Occupations, like Agriculture, local trade, Govt Administration, Teaching, Handicrafts etc-- as the possible and available opportunities to earn a living in towns and villages.

Dravida-vasi Aryans were engaged mostly in Forest related occupations, like growing Forest wealth, Mines, Training Animals like Bullocks, Buffalos, Horses, Elephants etc for Human support, Overseas trade and Employment etc.

--and so the Dravida-vaasi Aryans were constantly moving from place to place--- changing their Residences too frequently as Guest Houses--

--similar to Seasonal Migratory Birds species.

Whereas the Sthitha-Vaasi Aryans were contented with their respective Non-forestry professions residing statically at their Native places within India only.

The Dravida-vaasi Aryans were parallelly having various dwellings both in the Forests as well as Towns and cities too.

In brief -- STHITHA-VAASI ARYANS-- may be called as IMMOBILE ARYANS--

--and the DRAVIDA-VAASI ARYANS as MOBILE ARYANS

Consequently the Dravida-vaasi Aryans only could discover for Mankind, several sorts of Richness of Nature---

--such as perennial Rivers, Water-falls, Hidden Temples, Mine locations, Rich Forest growth of Woods, Fruits and variety of Grains etc.

What does the word DRAVIDA mean?

The Sanskrit word DRAVID means one who moves from place to place--- similar to the sense of the word DRAVYAM meaning Money

The Word STHITHA means STABLE / UNMOVING.

What does the word ARYA mean?

The word ARYA means SUPREME --- so to mean the SUPREME BIRTH AS MANKIND.




//As such Hinduism ( word coined by britishers)//


No. The Word Hinduism was coined by Persians, who were the the First Marketeers for the Indian products in the World Market --- by Exporting Trade Agents to other Foreign Nations worldwide.

In those days the Indians were mostly residing close to the River banks. And the Persians came in first contact with the people residing at rich and fertile River-bank of Sindu River.

The Persians called them as SINDIANS and their Religious faith as SINDU--- linking with the Sindu River regions

But the peculiarity in the Persian Language is --- that they have NO PRONUNCIATION AS “SA” Consonant nor its subsequent phonetics--- as SU, SI, SEE, SAE, SOA etc.---

--but they pronounce the “SA” letter as “HA”

Thus they popularized to the World --- as HINDU ---- HINDIA/ INDIA--- and so on.




//Hinduism was not a single religion till recently . It use to be known with hundreds other names in different part of asia. Eg. Saivism, vaishnavism, sanatan, Vaidic and so many different names according to geographical locations. No wonder there are millions of god worshipped. thanks to britishers for reuniting and giving a common name.//


In all the World religions, there are several divisions.

For example, amongst Christians--- Protestants, Roman catholic, Seventh-day Adventist, Pentecost etc--- However they all are called by others by one Common name as CHRISTIANS only. Because their Religious treatise is the common one as holy Bible

Muslims:--- Shia, Sunni etc. --- But they are unitedly called as MUSLIMS—because they all follow the holy Koran only.

Buddhists :-- Keenayana, Maha-yana, Tibetan Buddhism, Sikkim Buddhism, Japanese Buddhism etc,. although they may name them different. They all are called as BUDDHISTS only because they all follow one Common prophecy Dhammpada

Jains:-- Digambar, Swethambar etc. They too follow one common Prophecy of Mahavir

Similarly all those who adhere to one common religious treatise the VEDIC-DOCTRINES, they are called as Vedics / Sanathana-vaadhis / Hindus

All the various sub-divisions previously existed as Splinters were got united by the Great Sankaracharya, under one Name as Vedic-Dharma.

Britishers had nothing to do to unite the various divisions of One Vedic Religion of MOSAIC FORM--- named as Hinduism.



//Brahmins had only means to survive with temples, caste system was created by them according to their whims, fooled people with Avatars, mutilated dravid temples,converted them into whatever name they fancied eg. venkateshwara, kapalishwara, varadaperumal, etc which neither has historical identity nor these gods are even talked about in any literature.//


Utterly BASELESS Argument --- as already clarified.




// Moreover these fabricated avatars are not known in other sects of Brahmin religion and Hinduism. Let us say Lord Kapalishwara, or Meenakshi, kamakshi cannot even be identified by people from UP, Delhi, Rajasthan, Gujrat. These avatars are only known in few places in South that too among those brahmins who converted Dravid temples to Aryan temples by deceit.//


Venomous Hatred and Jealousy by PERVERTED LOOK--- towards one section amongst One United people Indian ARYAN-RACE of one Land India.



//Recent historians who are not influenced politically or motivated by brahimnisation firmly convey that even today no one is interested in publishing real history of dravids which was superimposed by Aryans. their heritage is neglected, their literatures are faked by Brahimins.//


Since Dr. Max Muller had vociferously countered, proved, established and thus SILENCED the British on their Baseless arguments and CONCOCTED HISTORY---

--- claiming the British people as the AENGLISH (English) Earthly Race --- pronounced as ANJLISH--- since they are the HEAVENLY BORN Off-springs of the Divine Angels the SUPER-MAN KIND






//How long millions of people will be fooled with fake identity given to this temple by brahims?//


Nobody is FOOLING You, My dear Friend.— I pity You ---

YOU ARE FOOLING YOURSELVES.!!




//To conclude Tirupati balaji temple is wonderful temple belonging to all devotees, it can be run the way it is going. But atleast its true history and identity has to be made known.//


Well. All the Religions are intended to UPLIFT the Mankind--- true to the Real sense and concept of HUMAN-VALUES---

Similar to various sorts of Foods ultimately result in feeding only one common sort of Nutritious Value to the various Physiques---

--- all the various religions too have been created by ONE COMMON GOD--- to cater to varied sorts of Mankind.

No religion including Jainism--- does advocate nor preach HATRED TOWARDS OTHER FAITHS--- Nor other Religious followers.

We must learn to understand the Underlying common Soul-spirit of GOD-REALISATION---

---as well put forth by Dr. Max Muller in his Book named COMPARATIVE STUDY OF WORLD RELIGIONS.

Thus we can enjoy our Earthly Life by means of TRUE HUMAN-VALUES--- developed by our own Broad outlook of UNITY IN DIVERSITY.



//Let us all pray to Lord venkateshwara ( Lord Neminath) to protect our devotees and believers without the help of agents ( brahmins) , and let everyone know its true identity and real name, no matter Aryan Jains, dravid jains, or saivist or vaishnavaites control this temple. It is common for all the devotees. Worshiping any god without knowing real identity can only add to our ignorance. There shouldn't be any force which would work towards faking our very own god's name.//

:P :P


One INTERESTING NEWS.! -- Incredible.!! But TRUE.!!!


While I was employed at Thirumalai Hills about 56 years back as Construction Engineer In Charge---

---One Government Employee there --- argued with me PERSISTENLY--- for days and months together---

--- that Lord Venkateswara is none else than RAJA-RAJESWARI---

---and Ramanujacharya had cunningly grabbed it from we the Saakthas.


Any amount of my Counter-points, based on established Truth by Real History and such other means could not convince him---

---because I found that he was DETERMINED TO DIFFER with me---

--and so tried his best to THRUST HIS WORDS into my mouth.


Then at the verge of patience, ultimately I told him “Look, my dear Friend, anticipating all such UNNECESSARY CONTROVERSIES, Bhagawad Ramanuja has already answered the Counter-Claims and undue Questions like yours--- thus.

“UNDOUBTEDLY the Lord Venkateswara is the UNIFIED FORM OF ALL GODS--- within ONE SUPREME GOD, NARAYANA only—

---but in the shape of VISWAROOPA KRISHNA of Geethopadesam

-- COMMON TO THE WHOLE MANKIND--- of any religion or section of Social spectrum

So anybody can pray and worship Him --- at his FREE-WILL--- according to his / her personal belief and Faith.

He will unfailingly shower His benign grace to you too-- by your own way ALSO.!

But please DON’T FORCE OTHERS --- to accept YOUR OWN CONTENTION and PERSONAL FAITH.” Said Ramanuja

So You can worship accordingly as Raja-rajeswari--- and please don’t waste your precious time to make others fall in your line of personal belief or contention.

Because others too may have their own sorts of divergent faith on Him as---Siva, Muruha, Kali and so on and so forth." I said.

Exhibiting a Ridiculous Smile he replied "Ok I will try so" and left.

Accordingly he conducted Poojas to Lord Venkateswara picture at his home--- differently--- and UNCONVENTIONALLY.!

--by chanting Raaja-Rajeswari Manthra Archanas.!!!

Just after 30 Days, he came running to me and declared that what I advised him--- has been proved correct and he got MIRACULOUS RESULTS --

---more than by praying Raaja Rajeswari form itself -- with the same relevent Devi-Archana Manthras.!

And he thanked me profusely.

I replied “My dear Friend, All such expressions of Gratitude you OWE to the Glorious Ramanujacharya--- and Not to me.

So also my dear Jain Friend, If you permit me as your well=wisher, I would suggest you to worship Lord Venkateswara at Thirumalai Hills---

---as the JAIN GOD ONLY---

---but JUST FOR YOURSELVES ONLY---

I am sure YOU also WILL GET---- MIRACULOUS RESULTS.!!!



Because the Divine Incarnation Bhagawad Ramanuja has made this deity Lord Venkata-Krishna at Thirumalai Hills---



---so MIGHTIEST to shower BENIGN GRACE miraculously.. to ALL--



--- as a COMMON GOD ---for the ENTIRE MANKIND---


---towards One and all who repose FULL FAITH IN HIM---


--in ANY FORM, NAME and MODE --by the Devotee's PERSONAL Choice !!!---


--Vital for our PRESENT HARD DAYS Globally too.!!!”


God is One. We the Mankind Only differ.


Affectionately,
Sudhaama
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