Thamizh

[SoftSword]

Kal thonri man thondraa kaalatthae!!


10 = PATTU -ten
100 = NOORU -hundred
1000 = AAYIRAM -thousand
10000 = PATTAYIRAM -ten thousand
100000 = LATCHAM -hundred thousand
1000000 = PATTU LATCHAM- one million
10000000 = KOADI -ten million
100000000 = ARPUTHAM -hundred million
1000000000 = NIGARPUTAM - one billion
10000000000 = KUMBAM -ten billion
100000000000 = KANAM -hundred billion
1000000000000 = KARPAM -one trillion
10000000000000 = NIKARPAM -ten trillion
100000000000000 = PATHUMAM -hundred trillion
1000000000000000 = SANGGAM -one zillion
10000000000000000 = VELLAM -ten zillion
100000000000000000 = ANNIYAM -hundred zillion
1000000000000000000 = ARTTAM -?////
10000000000000000000 = PARARTTAM --anybody know
100000000000000000000 = POORIYAM -<>?#%^&
1000000000000000000000 = MUKKODI -&^*^%^#
10000000000000000000000 = MAHAYUGAM -????????????????

:notworthy:


P.S: yaedhaenum thavarirundhaal mannikkavum... maatravum...

[Devar Magan]

wowwwwwwwwww...
is this correct???

where did u get it softie??

[Kalyasi]

Kal thonri man thondraa kaalatthae!!

10000000 = KOODI -ten million

:notworthy:

P.S: yaedhaenum thavarirundhaal mannikkavum... maatravum...

Ithu thaan thavaru, Ithu Kodi... Neenga cycle gap la thitta vendiyavangala ellam thittiteengale...

[SoftSword]

Kal thonri man thondraa kaalatthae!!

10000000 = KOODI -ten million

:notworthy:

P.S: yaedhaenum thavarirundhaal mannikkavum... maatravum...

Ithu thaan thavaru, Ithu Kodi... Neenga cycle gap la thitta vendiyavangala ellam thittiteengale...

ada paavi kalyasi...
thats actually Koadi...
there was a spelling mistake... :)

[SoftSword]

DM,

I got it thru a mail...
felt that its so great about the language...
looks like its true...

let us see if any knowledged person approves/denies it...

hail our ancestors...

[app_engine]

Well, assuming the above chart is correct, the word 'mahAyugam' seems to be a sanskrit word:-) So there goes the claim to glorify Thamizh as "prior to all":-))

[crazy]

wow :P

[Lambretta]

Incidentally, LH side'la irukara 'figures' ellAm pArtha oru right-angled triangle shape varuthu-nu yArAvuthu pArthengla?? :P 8-)

[dev]

Incidentally, LH side'la irukara 'figures' ellAm pArtha oru right-angled triangle shape varuthu-nu yArAvuthu pArthengla?? :P 8-)

10 pinnadi oru oru linelayum oru '0'va add pannina right angle triangle thaane varum!!!...

[SoftSword]

Well, assuming the above chart is correct, the word 'mahAyugam' seems to be a sanskrit word:-) So there goes the claim to glorify Thamizh as "prior to all":-))

what do you mean?

[P_R]

Well, assuming the above chart is correct, the word 'mahAyugam' seems to be a sanskrit word:-) So there goes the claim to glorify Thamizh as "prior to all":-))

what do you mean?

I think app_engine is referring to the "kal thOnri man thOnraa..." line :-)

Did some googling. Looks like some Slavic languages (Ukrainian, Serbian etc.) also have words for these numbers.

[Billgates]

Amazing ! Never heard such words . Is it that today's Tamil is not that existed 100 or200 years before ?

[SoftSword]

Well, assuming the above chart is correct, the word 'mahAyugam' seems to be a sanskrit word:-) So there goes the claim to glorify Thamizh as "prior to all":-))

what do you mean?

I think app_engine is referring to the "kal thOnri man thOnraa..." line :-)

Did some googling. Looks like some Slavic languages (Ukrainian, Serbian etc.) also have words for these numbers.

this statement is ambiguous as it looks like the claim that thamizh is prior to all has no point, as thamizh has a sanskrit word....

or did i understand it the other way?

[SoftSword]

Amazing ! Never heard such words . Is it that today's Tamil is not that existed 100 or200 years before ?

nothing as such...
nowadays we are using only a limited set of words when compared to what was used in those early days...
not even 10% of i guess...

[Billgates]

100000000000 = KANAM -hundred billion
1000000000000 = KARPAM -one trillion
10000000000000 = NIKARPAM -ten trillion
100000000000000 = PATHUMAM -hundred trillion
1000000000000000 = SANGGAM -one zillion
10000000000000000 = VELLAM -ten zillion
100000000000000000 = ANNIYAM -hundred zillion
1000000000000000000 = ARTTAM -?////
10000000000000000000 = PARARTTAM --anybody know
100000000000000000000 = POORIYAM -<>?#%^&
1000000000000000000000 = MUKKODI -&^*^%^#
10000000000000000000000 = MAHAYUGAM -????????????????


No way someone could have applied the above numbers . How come such terms existed ! None would have traded at these levels ! SOmething fishy.

[SoftSword]

100000000000 = KANAM -hundred billion
1000000000000 = KARPAM -one trillion
10000000000000 = NIKARPAM -ten trillion
100000000000000 = PATHUMAM -hundred trillion
1000000000000000 = SANGGAM -one zillion
10000000000000000 = VELLAM -ten zillion
100000000000000000 = ANNIYAM -hundred zillion
1000000000000000000 = ARTTAM -?////
10000000000000000000 = PARARTTAM --anybody know
100000000000000000000 = POORIYAM -<>?#%^&
1000000000000000000000 = MUKKODI -&^*^%^#
10000000000000000000000 = MAHAYUGAM -????????????????


No way someone could have applied the above numbers . How come such terms existed ! None would have traded at these levels ! SOmething fishy.

they might not have used it for trading....
they would have used it for mathematics and education...
or atleast like in puzzles...

history has lots of such facts that our ancestors played around with maths lots...

[Lambretta]

Incidentally, LH side'la irukara 'figures' ellAm pArtha oru right-angled triangle shape varuthu-nu yArAvuthu pArthengla?? :P 8-)

10 pinnadi oru oru linelayum oru '0'va add pannina right angle triangle thaane varum!!!...
Ohh...........abbidingla........naa maths-leyE oru '0' thAn'lya.....athunAla thAn enaku theiryle.....! :giggle: :P :roll:

[P_R]

this statement is ambiguous as it looks like the claim that thamizh is prior to all has no point, as thamizh has a sanskrit word.... Your first post starts with "kal thOnri...". Then there is a list of numbers with their Tamil names. This order seems to indicate that the 'number name listing' was offered as a defence for Tamil's ancience (is that even a word ? - I am tying to say pazhamai :-) ).

So the presence of the word 'Mahayugam' in the supposed evidence of Tamil's ancience, was ironic. Which is what app_engine was pointing out.

[Roshan]

:confused2:

[SoftSword]

this statement is ambiguous as it looks like the claim that thamizh is prior to all has no point, as thamizh has a sanskrit word.... Your first post starts with "kal thOnri...". Then there is a list of numbers with their Tamil names. This order seems to indicate that the 'number name listing' was offered as a defence for Tamil's ancience (is that even a word ? - I am tying to say pazhamai :-) ).

So the presence of the word 'Mahayugam' in the supposed evidence of Tamil's ancience, was ironic. Which is what app_engine was pointing out.

maybe, sanskrit would have borrowed that word from Thamizh...
who knows...
i have no idea....

[Billgates]

Softsword

There is no proof till date as to which language existed first. But the language which is being adopted to many languages within India is Sanskrit for sure.

PR , I hav edited. :)

[Billgates]

Bcaz sanksrit's influence over other languages is more .
I dont know whether tamil words are adopted by any language.

[P_R]

Billgates, I request your edit the post before your last one.It is polemical, indefensible and I don't see it leading to anything productive in discussion.

[joe]

தமிழின் பழம் பெருமையைப் பற்றி பேசுவதை விட ,வருங்காலத்தில் இந்த நவீன யுகத்தில் தமிழை எப்படி நவீனப்படுத்தி முன்னிறுத்துவது என்பது பற்றி பேசுவது தான் உபயோகமானது.

[Sanguine Sridhar]

I have one clariffication which was in my mind for many years

Why we call 90 as Thon + nooru ; 900 as Thol + aayiram but 9000 as Ombad(h) ayiram :?

Thonnooru looks good for 900?

Sorry if my question looks to be silly :oops:

[app_engine]

SoftSword,
As PrabhuRam has rightly pointed out, I was only commenting on the 'கல் தோன்றி மண் தோன்றாக்காலத்தே', in a very lighter sense:-)

It's definitely not my intention to ridicule the sincerity with which someone has compiled such an amazing listing of words for such "அசுர எண்கள்" (Disclaimer - யா.பெரெல்மானின் "விளையாட்டு கணிதம்" புத்தகத்தில் உள்ள பதம் இது. அசுரர்களைச்சொல்வதாக எடுத்துக்கொண்டு வம்புக்கு வர வேண்டாம்:-) )

Someone who's an authority on both of these ancient languages can comment on the term 'மஹா யுகம்', which to my சிற்றறிவு sounded "like" sanskrit. That's all.

Like Joe suggested, I too feel it's more important that Thamizh is kept alive for now and the future rather than dwelling in பழம்பெருமை பேசுதல்:-) And I'm happy that internet, குறிப்பாக யூனிக்கோட் is helping this in a large way:-)

[P_R]

And I'm happy that internet, குறிப்பாக யூனிக்கோட் is helping this in a large way:-) :exactly: Can't be emphasized enough.

[Sudhaama]

I have one clariffication which was in my mind for many years

Why we call 90 as Thon + nooru ; 900 as Thol + aayiram but 9000 as Ombad(h) ayiram :?

Thonnooru looks good for 900?

Sorry if my question looks to be silly :oops:

I have already answered this Question... under another Thread...

..ILAKKIYA-MAEDAI....

...as below.


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. எழுனூறு = 700; எண்ணூறு = 800;

..தொண்ணூறு = 900.. தவறு.. 90. ஏன்?

சுமார் ஆயிரம் ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முந்தைய கால கல்வெட்டுகளிலும் செப்பேடுகளிலும் ஒரு விந்தை காணலாம்.

9=தொண்பது; 29=இருபத்து தொண்பது; ஐம்பத்து தொண்பது... என்ற வகையிலே எண்ணிக்கை குறிப்பிட்டுள்ளதை காணலாம். இது ஏன்.?

நாம் தற்காலத்தில் 9= ஒன்பது என்று கூறுவதே தமிழ் இலக்கியப்படி தவறு. "தொண்பது" என்பதே தக்க உச்சரிப்பு. ஏன்.?

9= தொண்பது; 90 = தொண்ணூறு; 900= தொண்ணாயிரம்... என்பதே உகந்த வழக்கு-முறையாகும். எப்படி.?

தொண்பது = குறைபட்ட பத்து.. அதாவது பத்துக்கு முந்தையது.

தொண்ணூறு = குறைபட்ட நூறு... அல்லது எழுபது, எண்பது, தொண்பது, நூறு... என்பதே எண் வரிசை.

அதாவது பத்துக்கள் வரிசையில்... நூறில் குறைபட்டது...

"தொள்" என்பது "சிறு-குறை" என்று பொருள்படும்.

எனவே சிறிது குறைபட்ட நூறு... அதாவது தொண்ணூறு... என்பது கருத்து.

ஹிந்தி மொழியில்...

29= உந்தீஸ்; 30= தீஸ்;

39 = உன்சாலீஸ்; 40 = சாலீஸ்;

49 = உன்ச்சாஸ்; 50 = பச்சாஸ்.. எனப்படுவது போல.

அதாவது தீஸ் எனப்படும் முப்பதுக்கு முந்தையது, குறைபட்ட முப்பது=30... 29= உன்+தீஸ்;

குறைபட்ட 40=சாலீஸ்... 39= உன்+சாலீஸ்.

ஹிந்தியில் "உன்" சேர்ப்பது போல.. தமிழில் "தொண்"

அந்த முறையில் 9=தொண்பது; 19=பத்தொண்பது; இருபத்தொண்பது =29... என்னும் உச்சரிப்புக்களே தக்கனவாம்.

காலத்தால் ஏற்பட்ட "சருக்கல் தமிழ்" தான்...

நாம் தற்காலத்தில் வழக்காக கொண்டுள்ளோம் என்னும் உண்மைக்கு இது ஓர் எடுத்துக்காட்டு.
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[sarna_blr]

Kal thonri man thondraa kaalatthae!!


10 = PATTU -ten
100 = NOORU -hundred
1000 = AAYIRAM -thousand
10000 = PATTAYIRAM -ten thousand
100000 = LATCHAM -hundred thousand
1000000 = PATTU LATCHAM- one million
10000000 = KOADI -ten million
100000000 = ARPUTHAM -hundred million
1000000000 = NIGARPUTAM - one billion
10000000000 = KUMBAM -ten billion
100000000000 = KANAM -hundred billion
1000000000000 = KARPAM -one trillion
10000000000000 = NIKARPAM -ten trillion
100000000000000 = PATHUMAM -hundred trillion
1000000000000000 = SANGGAM -one zillion
10000000000000000 = VELLAM -ten zillion
100000000000000000 = ANNIYAM -hundred zillion
1000000000000000000 = ARTTAM -?////
10000000000000000000 = PARARTTAM --anybody know
100000000000000000000 = POORIYAM -<>?#%^&
1000000000000000000000 = MUKKODI -&^*^%^#
10000000000000000000000 = MAHAYUGAM -????????????????

:notworthy:


P.S: yaedhaenum thavarirundhaal mannikkavum... maatravum...

muppaththu mukkOdi dhEvargal'nu solraangalE.... appa mukkOdi'kku idhudhaan porulaa? I mean iththana dheivangal irukkaangalaa? :confused2:

[sarna_blr]

http://www.trap17.com/forums/power-language-t55656.html

here are some more names for numbers in Serbian language...

10^0 = 1 = ONDRU -one - jedan
10^1 = 10 = PATTU -ten - deset
10^2 = 100 = NOORU -hundred - sto
10^3 = 1000 = AaYIRAM -thousand - hiljadu
10^4 = 10000 = PATTAYIRAM -ten thousand - deset hiljada
10^5 = 100000 = NOORAYIRAM -hundred thousand - sto hiljada
10^6 = 1000000 = PATTU NOORAYIRAM - one million - milion
10^7 = 10000000 = KOODI -ten million - deset miliona
10^8 = 100000000 = ARPUTHAM -hundred million - sto miliona
10^9 = 1000000000 = NIGARPUTAM - one billion - milijarda
10^10 = 10000000000 = KUMBAM -ten billion - deset milijardi
10^11 = 100000000000 = KANAM -hundred billion - sto milijardi
10^12 = 1000000000000 = KARPAM -one trillion - trilion
10^13 = 10000000000000 = NIKARPAM -ten trillion - deset triliona
10^14 = 100000000000000 = PATHUMAM -hundred trillion - sto triliona
10^15 = 1000000000000000 = SANGGAM -one zillion quadrillion - kvadrilion
10^16 = 10000000000000000 = VELLAM -ten zillion quadrillion - deset kvadriliona
10^17 = 100000000000000000 = ANNIYAM - hundred zillion quadrillion - sto kvadriliona
10^18 = 1000000000000000000 = ARTTAM - quintillion - kvinitilion
10^19 = 10000000000000000000 = PARARTTAM -- ten quintillion - deset kvintiliona
10^20 = 100000000000000000000 = POORIYAM - hundred quintillion - sto kvintiliona
10^21 = 1000000000000000000000 = MUKKODI - one sextillion - sekstilion
10^22 = 10000000000000000000000 = MAHAYUGAM - ten sextillion - deset sekstiliona
10^23 = 100000000000000000000000 = ???- hundred sextillion - sto sekstiliona
10^24 = 1000000000000000000000000 = ???- septillion - septilion
10^25 = 10000000000000000000000000 = ???- ten septillion - deset septiliona
10^26 = 100000000000000000000000000 = ???- hundred septillion - sto septiliona


கல்தோன்றி மண் தோன்றா ..... :confused2:

[app_engine]

>>ஹிந்தியில் "உன்" சேர்ப்பது போல.. தமிழில் "தொண்"

அந்த முறையில் 9=தொண்பது; 19=பத்தொண்பது; இருபத்தொண்பது =29... என்னும் உச்சரிப்புக்களே தக்கனவாம்.
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அப்படிப்பார்த்தால், சரியானவை பின் வருமாறு:

9 = தொண்பத்து
19 = தொண்ணிருபது (பத்தொண்பது அல்ல)
29 = தொள் முப்பது
39 = தொண்ணாற்பது

:-)

[crazy]

enakkum pala naala thonnuru epadi vandichunnu sandegam...
nandri sridhar anna, sudhaama ayya and app :P

[Sudhaama]

>>ஹிந்தியில் "உன்" சேர்ப்பது போல.. தமிழில் "தொண்"

அந்த முறையில் 9=தொண்பது; 19=பத்தொண்பது; இருபத்தொண்பது =29... என்னும் உச்சரிப்புக்களே தக்கனவாம்.
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அப்படிப்பார்த்தால், சரியானவை பின் வருமாறு:

9 = தொண்பத்து
19 = தொண்ணிருபது (பத்தொண்பது அல்ல)
29 = தொள் முப்பது
39 = தொண்ணாற்பது
:-)

I have replied in the Thread : UNIQUE LANGUAGE TAMIL

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=1361072&sid=ab738f19ef4243daa29f33834b63fc6d#1361072
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[Sanguine Sridhar]

oh! thank you so much Sudhaama 8-)

app, appadi paarthal, 99 - thon + nooru thaane varum? :)

Crazy - :)

[SoftSword]

great enlighning sudhaama....
and others who have triggered...

happy that this thread is turning sensible...

[Sudhaama]

oh! thank you so much Sudhaama 8-)

app, appadi paarthal, 99 - thon + nooru thaane varum? :)

Crazy - :)

Replied here.. under the Thread: UNIQUE LANGUAGE TAMIL.

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=1364139&sid=b10597d1fbe9ba54c04d12ae2027f964#1364139

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[app_engine]

Digression:

அந்த யா.பெரெல்மான் புத்தகத்துக்கு ஏதாவது லிங்க் கிடைக்குமா என்று தேடியபோது, இது தான் கிடைத்தது:
http://bookimpact.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html

இவர் சொல்வது போலவே சின்ன வயதில் வீட்டில் அந்த நியூ செஞ்சுரி புக் ஹவுஸ் புத்தகம் இருந்தது. இப்போது எங்கு கிடைக்கும் என்று தெரியவில்லை

End-digression