Medical students to serve in village...

[suba]

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Personally, I feel this is a good move towards rural development which would benefit the people healthwise. But the students are protesting that their duration of study is being extended so that their earning days are postponed which point should be considered valid.

No doubt they have been given a good opportunity to serve the nation and since medicine is considered to be a service industry they can always take it in the right spirit. But, opposition is on a high degree for this program and students are starving to death. Dr.Ramadoss today was talking in news that it is happenning only in Tamil nadu whereas all other states have welcomed the idea. (appadiya...???)

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[app_engine]

Question:

Are they compensated with salary by the Government for this "village service" period and how much is the duration? If so, is it at par with those in Govt hospitals plus additional travel / stay related expenses?

If that is so, then apparently the Govt. is justified in asking them to serve - as there is a lot of investment in educating the student by tax payers (i.e. if the institutions are funded / aided by the Government). If not it's outright injustice.

In case of institutions that receive nothing from Govt. but charge students for every cent of their expenses, Govt. should not mandate the student to go and work wherever, as it will be poking its nose into a market economy.

Does someone here know all the details?

[joe]

Question:

Are they compensated with salary by the Government for this "village service" period and how much is the duration? If so, is it at par with those in Govt hospitals plus additional travel / stay related expenses?

Duration is 1 year ,6 months in Taluk head quoters and 6 months in any village. They will be given insentive ,but not much expected by students.


If that is so, then apparently the Govt. is justified in asking them to serve - as there is a lot of investment in educating the student by tax payers (i.e. if the institutions are funded / aided by the Government). If not it's outright injustice.

Govt is spending almost 10 lakhs for each student for their education ..Their yearly fee is just 8000 rs ..Rest paid by Govt.


In case of institutions that receive nothing from Govt. but charge students for every cent of their expenses, Govt. should not mandate the student to go and work wherever, as it will be poking its nose into a market economy.

It is applicable only to students studied in Govt aided medical colleges.

[P_R]

There was a debate on Vijay TV's NeeyA NaanA on this and the minister Anbumani himself spoke about this issue.

He said: " sugAthArathila India-vin mudhal maanilangaLil onnu tamilnAdu"

everyone started clapping, he said " porunga....." and when the claps died he added : " appo michcha maanilangaLOda nilamai ellAm eppidi irukkumnu ninaichu paarunga" :D

It was an interesting program and Anbumani was very impressive.
He was on top of the statistics and the motivation for the program.
Apparently the funds allocated for the program are also to provide the necessary infrastructure for the students to work. This is a kind of program that is in many developing countries in Asia and Africa. The timeline for medical studies is shorter in India than anywhere else in the world and so this additional year should not be seen as a disproportionate burden. Most importantly the last year would serve as very good practical experience for the to-be-doctors.

[joe]

There was a debate on Vijay TV's NeeyA NaanA on this and the minister Anbumani himself spoke about this issue.

He said: " sugAthArathila India-vin mudhal maanilangaLil onnu tamilnAdu"

everyone started clapping, he said " porunga....." and when the claps died he added : " appo michcha maanilangaLOda nilamai ellAm eppidi irukkumnu ninaichu paarunga" :D

It was an interesting program and Anbumani was very impressive..
:exactly:

[P_R]

In fact prior to the program I had a very meagre impression about Anbumani. But that one program changed my opinion. He was clear, spoke his mind, was on top of the issues, conducted himself very professionally, never once lost his patience, seemed to be genuinely concerned with the state of affairs. It was good to see a minister who is able to avoid the rhetoric and is given to plainspeak.

[Shakthiprabha.]

]In case of institutions that receive nothing from Govt. but charge students for every cent of their expenses, Govt. should not mandate the student to go and work wherever, as it will be poking its nose into a market economy.

It is applicable only to students studied in Govt aided medical colleges.

I think the idea would make a visible change in the young student's attitude and psychology, apart from giving them exposure.

How many of you really think, this should be taken up with all (private and govt) medical colleges? I mean making it mandatory to work atleast for a brief period of time ?

Just wanna know few hubbers views on this.

[P_R]

How many of you really think, this should be taken up with all (private and govt) medical colleges? I mean making it mandatory to work atleast for a brief period of time ? Though it is useful even for the private medical college students I don't think it should be made compulsory for them. As Govt. doesn't subsidize them I feel they should not be forced and at a higher level I think it is important to keep the autonomy of the private sector undisturbed. But to encourage participation the program as such can be like a one year medical experience program (where a certificate of some sort is issued upon completion of one year of service). If the program is successful, then the certificate may become sought after and even the private college students may voluntarily apply to be part of the program.

[dev]

How many of you really think, this should be taken up with all (private and govt) medical colleges? I mean making it mandatory to work atleast for a brief period of time ? Though it is useful even for the private medical college students I don't think it should be made compulsory for them. As Govt. doesn't subsidize them I feel they should not be forced and at a higher level I think it is important to keep the autonomy of the private sector undisturbed. But to encourage participation the program as such can be like a one year medical experience program (where a certificate of some sort is issued upon completion of one year of service). If the program is successful, then the certificate may become sought after and even the private college students may voluntarily apply to be part of the program.

:yes:

[app_engine]

Joe,
Thanks for the clarifications! Program seems to have some merits.

One more question - is it applicable to students starting afresh in the 1st year or also for those who are in final year? For those who start afresh, it's absolutely justified. However, for those who started with some expectation (not only from student's side, but families / relatives etc.) and keep building their life's dreams, it could become a major irritant, though not a total spoilsport. That psycology may have to be taken into account and the period of servitude may have to be progressively increased...for e.g., those in final year when this program is launched, will have to serve only for 2 months, those in 4th year -4 months etc. Just my thoughts...

[app_engine]

I know there is some system in public sector banks that officers should compulsorily serve out of state / region for a minimum period of time. One of my friends in Kerala had to move to U.P. to serve for many years. (Psycologically and practically, IMO, forced to move from Aluva to Lucknow is worse than Chennai to Oddanchatram:-)) A major change, that too when his children were in the schools, he had his own house etc. However, that is the condition for employment / training. Even many private companies sign up agreement with their employees to work for a time period if they spend a lot on them for specific training / education (not just in India, even in U.S.). However, these are spelt out / signed up "prior" to training and not mid-way.

[suba]

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[Badri]

Question:

Are they compensated with salary by the Government for this "village service" period and how much is the duration? If so, is it at par with those in Govt hospitals plus additional travel / stay related expenses?

If that is so, then apparently the Govt. is justified in asking them to serve - as there is a lot of investment in educating the student by tax payers (i.e. if the institutions are funded / aided by the Government). If not it's outright injustice.

In case of institutions that receive nothing from Govt. but charge students for every cent of their expenses, Govt. should not mandate the student to go and work wherever, as it will be poking its nose into a market economy.

Does someone here know all the details?

Can someone from Singapore tell us that when the citizens go to the compulsory "National Service" there, how much can they be expected to be paid?

National Service as I understand, is mandatory for all male citizens. They are paid a stipend during the period which is lesser than what they could earn in the open market.

When a country like that can impose social responsibility on its people why can't India?

What is the injustice in this? If anything the only injustice is that it is not equally applied to everyone else but we have to make a start somewhere. It is an applaudable idea, and can even be extended to Private colleges, although with some modifications

[dev]

Badri, chk this link... they go for NS at 18... I'm not sure abt the pay but this link gives some details abt it...

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/nsmen/home.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Service_in_Singapore

Not only the citizens of SG, but 2nd generation PRs also are obliged to go for NS... or else they'll have to cancel their PR before their son reaches age 14-15(ie when u get a notice for NS) ...But anytime the son plans to take a PR again, he'll have to go for NS...

[app_engine]

Badri, I have a strong difference of opinion here when the military (or) similar armed service is forced on its citizens. That's violating individual rights, IMHO. For e.g. I personally have a policy never to use a weapon that could kill, even at the cost of my life! If a political govt. wants to force me to kill, it's infringing into my human rights.

That cannot be compared to this "contractual service" into which a person can "choose" to enter. Looks like Singapore doesn't give its people a choice and I may be put into jail if I live there (for refusing to kill people):-)

[rajraj]

app_engine:
Even the US had a draft system forcing young men to join the armed forces and fight in Vietnam during the war with Vietnam. I had to register for the draft when I applied for green card. There were conscientious objectors who went to Canada and other places. Those who applied for green card but did not register for the draft were forced or they went back to their home country. But most of the citizens took it as their patriotic duty. In fact, there was talk about reviving the draft system for fighting terrorism.




Badri, I have a strong difference of opinion here when the military (or) similar armed service is forced on its citizens. That's violating individual rights, IMHO. For e.g. I personally have a policy never to use a weapon that could kill, even at the cost of my life! If a political govt. wants to force me to kill, it's infringing into my human rights.

That cannot be compared to this "contractual service" into which a person can "choose" to enter. Looks like Singapore doesn't give its people a choice and I may be put into jail if I live there (for refusing to kill people):-)

[app_engine]

I know it's digression here, still one more post:

rajraj,

True, such policies are not unique to Singapore. Each country has its political whimsies (either always or from time to time). When one is convinced against such a thing, there is always this option of going to jail / deportation etc:-) enna, namma aNNal Gandhiji seiyyAdhadhA? History is full of such atrocities by politicians and how such situations brought out the heroes in very ordinary humans:-) I'm planning to visit the holocaust museum this summer (in DC) which has 1000's of such stories to tell!

Back to the thread : However, the medical student situation, if the contract is signed in the beginning of the course, is not such a violation (if someone does not want, he can always go to engineering and serving in village in medical profession hardly kills lives of those in the other side of a man-made border)