IR New Albums - Old responses (5 Aug 2006)

[Renault]

Vijayr,

I had a view of all your recent postings and I find hat u have been constantly bashing IR, YSR throughout..

All I can see is Irumbukku Adikkira edathiley "E" kku enna velai..

Do u know what this thread is all about.. It is on admiring the new works of a Genious. If not a genious, at least respect some one who is a genoious.

If u claim yourself to be a geniuos, then this place is not for you.

I will have to knock the doors of the moderator if your rubbish statements continue here.

[Hulkster]

Hi i am new to this forum and i have been watching certain comments on IR's music in MFM. It is not always that you get to listen to music like rasathantram what after the debacles of koothu and techno songs and although its not the best of best its certainly way ahead of any MD's composition i have heard so far this year and last year in MFM. Credit is where credit is due and i applaud IR for his usual peerless orchestration in this album. Pachakuthira is actually fresher then rasathanthram as the tunes are quite different and the song oru thotta vaadi has some interesting percussions with the shenoy and drums with some rhythms(cant make them out) in the second interlude which is quite pleasant to hear. So to say IR has lost inspiration in MFM is nothing but the word of a Basher trying to bring down a legend in any way he can.

[krish244]

My feelings about Rasathanthram as below (in decreasing order of liking). Listening to the songs in a cyber cafe...so not so good sound:

1) Poo Kumkumapoo: A very nice & soothing melody I should say. I just loved it for all aspects of the song. This is my pick of the album too.
2) Aathin karai orathil: A good song with good singing by Manjari.
3) Ponnavani: The prelude, the orchestration & the pallavi take me to some IR's telugu song (if I am not wrong), but the song still impresses. As Karthick says the interludes & the flute impresses.
4) Thevaram: The prelude starts like "seevi sinukkeduthu...", but then the pace suddenly reduces when the pallavi starts. Nice pallavi...again agree with Karthick that the song takes the usual IR route after a good start.

I would say its overall a good (also must be apt for the movie) album.

Vijay, even I agree that its not great (but "Poo Kumkum.." is too good), but if we keep expecting a "great album" or a "great song" every time, we will miss out appreciating "good album" & "good songs". I would request to listen to any new songs without any expectations or preconceived notions. There are lot of us (including me) who are so critical about IR's new albums, but good (may not be great) output should be appreciated.

To others, please do not exagerrate on someone's comment. Also, lets not bring other threads or other composers (i mean lets not name them) into picture. By doing so, we are just making things more complicated & unhealthy.

thanks,

Krishnan

[krish244]

Is this true? It says IR is becoming a director!!!! And the news has come in hindi section of IndiaGlitz!

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/21821.html

We all know that he has given suggestions as far as picturisation of songs is concerned and in a couple of other places.....but this is just unbelievable!

thanks,

Krishnan

[RAJAforEver]

Dear Vijayar,
iam new to this thread....but i have been observing all your comments on IR's music. Yes, i agree, u gave some valuble comments and some comments that really hurt to those people who are not even IR fans but aware abt his uncomparable briliance in music. I dont know what u would like to achiver by making such comments..if your sole purpose is to degrade his image from the people who loves his music then iam sure all your effort will be in vain(ignore this message if u r not doing that). Coz he has already produced upmteen number of Classics and done unbelevable experiments in music and still able to produce very good music. He has already created indeliblae image in the hearts of thousans of music lovers. So he has nothing to prove anthing more. He is the real master of great music. He is the RAJA(KING) for ever.

[vasanth2006]

Looks like IR has lost interest in MFM too. It would be safe to change this threads's title to "IR's old albums" and discuss KKS, Guru etc.

Hello vijay and nithya,

i am not heared "pachakuthira".so i am unable to comment on that.
but regarding rasathanthiram, it is an excellent vintage IR album. (absolutely Late 80's style. i loved that period.).
i am satisfied with rasathanthiram more than expected.

in rasathanthiram, IR did better than my expectations.
very good songs.....

Thanks
Vasanth

[rajasaranam]

Is this true? It says IR is becoming a director!!!! And the news has come in hindi section of IndiaGlitz!

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/21821.html

We all know that he has given suggestions as far as picturisation of songs is concerned and in a couple of other places.....but this is just unbelievable!

thanks,

Krishnan

Dont know when This Vergheese is going to release TTLS :roll: before that comes this announcement :!: I think he has a Louder mouth than Kamal :) NOM

[buggle]

dont give a damn s*** to vijayr postings, he lost his ears recently....

[vijayr]

Vijayr,

I had a view of all your recent postings and I find hat u have been constantly bashing IR, YSR throughout..

All I can see is Irumbukku Adikkira edathiley "E" kku enna velai..

Do u know what this thread is all about.. It is on admiring the new works of a Genious. If not a genious, at least respect some one who is a genoious.

If u claim yourself to be a geniuos, then this place is not for you.

I will have to knock the doors of the moderator if your rubbish statements continue here.

Renault, this is funny. why are my comments "rubbish" as you have seen there are others who have agreed with my views. If you think this thread is only for praising and not for anything else, you are dead wrong. This thread is just for discussing IR's new songs period and everyone has a right to voice their opinions, good or bad, on them. If you are bothered by my comments, you are welcome to put me ignore, or if you want to join a group that should only praise IR, head over to "IR yahoo fans club" or something like that where they dont allow any criticism. This thread is not a fan club run by its members.

If you go to the moderators, they will probably ban YOU for personally attacking anyone who does'nt agree with your views.

[rajasaranam]

Renault,

Sonna Enga KetKareenga... just ignore him and the lIkes...veena yaen kanda Poonai kitta ellam Paesreenga :( Illaenna ungala Poattu thalrathu than en muthal velaya irukkum :twisted:

[Nitya]

krish244:

Vijay, even I agree that its not great (but "Poo Kumkum.." is too good), but if we keep expecting a "great album" or a "great song" every time, we will miss out appreciating "good album" & "good songs". I would request to listen to any new songs without any expectations or preconceived notions. There are lot of us (including me) who are so critical about IR's new albums, but good (may not be great) output should be appreciated.

Krish, there are PLENTY of "good" albums with "good" songs in circulation, MDed by both geniuses and average Joes alike.

[vijayr]

dig:

Nitya, have you listened to "thendral ennum" from Paasakiligal MD'ed by Visyasagar and sung by MadhuB? Try it on MIOL. Thats an example of something much better than a "good" song. VS has tuned a semiclassical in a rarely used scale-NaasikabhushaNi.

[Renault]

Alright Vijayr. Point well-taken.

[Sanjeevi]

Dear IR haters,

try the followings if you can

1) Close your ears while listening IR songs/music anywhere
2) Close your ears while listeing others' ongs/music copied/inspired from IR.
3) Close your eyes while reading/seeing IR news/article on medias
4) Hurt your mouth while speaking about IR accidently
5) Broke your head while thinking about IR and his music

[rooky]

There was a recent interview from Singer Hariharan telecast in KTV for Tamil New year.

When asked about IR, he said "IR is a genius and i am too small to talk about his music.I am happy to have got opportunities to workwith him".

Rasathanthram is a really a very good effort from IR.

[vem]

the respect HH , Vijay Yesudas etc have on IR was very obvious in the recent IR Light music programme....

All singers like/adore him so much that whenever he turns their side, they bow their heads as a symbol of respect/love.

He has also changed a lot, not the same stickler type IR any more. When Manjari or Shreaya (I dont remember) made a mistake for "Kaatril endan geetam kaanamal onrai thoooooduthe", IR didnt make a big fuss, and let it go with a good joke.

One important thing to notice was Sadhana Sargam's comments in that concert. She said that she learnt actual music while singing for IR :))))

[balaji]

http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14185037

Rasathanthram declared Superhit. IR music is also considered a highlight of the movie

Does this mean more IR in MFM?

Bala

[Thunderbird]

Renault, what's IR doing nowdays? Is it not the time for him to retire? :banghead:

[njv]

Renault, what's IR doing nowdays? Is it not the time for him to retire? :banghead:

Honestly he should retire, but the current MDs are not able to fill his spot. For ppl like you, you can listen to thair sadam and vadu maangai and for people like us IR is more than enough.

[Nitya]

vijayr:

dig:

Nitya, have you listened to "thendral ennum" from Paasakiligal MD'ed by Visyasagar and sung by MadhuB? Try it on MIOL. Thats an example of something much better than a "good" song. VS has tuned a semiclassical in a rarely used scale-NaasikabhushaNi.

Yes. In fact, I have. I'd say the same.

[narayanan]

Renault, what's IR doing nowdays? Is it not the time for him to retire?

Is there an age limit for composing too? Did'nt MSV do a joint venture with IR in a couple of movies in early 90s. Senthamizh Paatu is one of them. He even did Engirundho Vandhan with TKR in the mid 90s. Music talent does'nt diminish with age PERIOD

Having said that, its been a while looong time since I've heard a new IR song mutiple times since 'Andha Naal Nyabagam' from 'Adhu oru Kana Kaalam' and Virumandi, Pithamagan before that in Tamizh.

Indha Ulagil in Madhu tune sounds good, something's missing in the female lead's voice though.

[kiru]

[quote]
...
It is my belief that it will be the people who don't know anything outside of Ilayaraja's music who will be the ones exalting IR's mediocre or average by Raja's standards songs as if they were the best.


Regards,
Nitya

Oh no..this is going a bit too far.
I heard rasathantram..yes..I also think it is not fresh..all the songs give you a deja vu feeling. I can't put my fingers on it..except for the aatinkaraiyorathe which has traces of anjali song.
Comparing Malayalam MDs with IR , I am not sure, is an apples-to-apples comparison. For eg. if you listen to poo kungamapoo, there is a bass line following the tabla. You will never see such a dimension in Malayalam music (but my listening is limited, you can correct me if I am wrong). This dimension/harmony (or rhythm highlighting) aspect of IR's music is what ties me to his style. Other indian music sound 'hollow' compared to this. Probably this is not a big deal to you. But this is my opinion, I know for eg. older folks in my home, prefer punyam to kks in the same malayalam cd.

[Hulkster]

Now that it is announced our belvoed maestro is going to be a director, i have a feeling the songs are going to be his best yet.

Why u ask?

1) He is going to direct his own film, meaning he is going to choose the scenes where the songs will set in.
2) To inspire illayaraja to score songs of eloquence like poove sempoove, you need a good script and maybe illayaraja already has such a script.
3) Background Music is bound to be world class as it is his own script.
4) Maybe Illayaraja has some experimentations in store for us through his songs in this film.

Conclusion: This is goings to be a bumper treat for Music lovers all over the world.

[Sanjeevi]

Dear fans,

why you expect freshness for each n every IR albums. Normally what will be the output of a man with tremendous and very successfull experience?. But even after 800+ films and 30+ years TFI experience (excluding his early years) he is doing experimentation and also giving some fresh music. Note he was 32 age at his first film Annakkili.

He has huge number of fans in TN than any other MD. Atleast one broadcasting media broadcast his music every bit time of a 24x7 week (without help of his own telecasting tv or official media or something else). I think it may be a world record.

Watch Sunday music/singer programmes like Subtha swarangal, Ragamalika, etc. You will know how younger generation feels IR and his music. It will prove youngers including teens considers, he is just as Music God .

[crvenky]

Manjari talks here about Rasathanthram songs. Incidentally, she has turned 20 today.

http://www.timesofoman.com/newsdetails.asp?newsid=28515&pn=local

[narayanan]

Sanjeevi,
I dont quite expect something fresh from every album. Just once a while would be great. I listen a lot to his 70s-90s music. Am not a music techie, just listen if a song interests me a lot or by recommendations. But if a song does'nt impress you in a good number of listening and if a person is going put superlatives to that song, how would you react ? This isnt specific to IR at all, it is common to any composer in general.

[krish244]

Krish, there are PLENTY of "good" albums with "good" songs in circulation, MDed by both geniuses and average Joes alike.

I dont exactly get what you mean. Do you mean, to give "good" albums & songs, there are other MD's aswell and what we expect from IR is something special/fresh? If you mean that, I sort of agree with you. Keeping so many factors in mind, I have somehow stopped expecting (not completely though :) ) an altogether fresh album/songs from IR, but it does not stop me from appreciating decent output from him.

thanks,

Krishnan

[RAJAforEver]

Well said Sanjeevi

all the points u have mentioned perfectly applicable to Andhra Pradesh also...if any body sings IR song in the competetions we can witness the amount of populariy(and even respect) he has from the crowd's applause. After the song(if the song is good one) judge explains abt how great that song is. With my own experience i can say for IR's songs it happend much more than any other MD.

[kj]

it seems IR has composed 1 song for azhaga irrukke bayamma irrukku according to imdb
http://www.us.imdb.com/name/nm0006137/

does any one know which song?

[narayanan]

IR has composed 1 song for azhaga irrukke bayamma irrukku

According to this article (http://www.newstodaynet.com/talkies/1809tt4.htm)

Yuvan and Ilayaraja have also pieced together a song depicting the father-son relationship.

Orampo Naina ?

[Hulkster]

Has anybody managed to see Madhu or has it been released? Illayaraja once stated during the audio release that he will help these new directors become famous with his music just like how he did for Bharatiraja and maniratnam.

Btw, does BR's cinema(Hindi) and mayil have IR as the music composer? this was discussed long time ago and there has been no confirmation. It would be good if someone confirmed whose the Music composer for both movies.

Sanjeevi your earlier post is true, freshness cannot be expected everytime but i do not expect freshness, all i want is Raja not to rehash his tunes as it shows his disinterest in film music and anyway he has already achieved so much even before rahman came so you can see why he looks dejected to keep on doing film music.

[Renault]

Hulkster,

I read somewhere that Raja could score for Bharatiraja's dream venture Kutra Pathirigai with Vikram in the lead.

This could also be Bharatiraja's last movie..

Raja is not scoring for BR's Hindi movie. It has Himesh Reshamaiyya I Guess.

Not sure about Mayil though. It could have been shelved.

[Hulkster]

Once bharatiraja leaves, we have lost a filmmaker who specialised in rural film subjects and with a strong storyline. I hope if it is his last venture it atleast leaves a impact on other filmmakers to think better in their stories. IR - BR -Vikram...seems like a fantasy team...if that happens i will be on the edge of my seat.

[narayanan]

Bharatiraja's dream venture Kutra Pathirigai with Vikram in the lead.

Was'nt there a movie by the same name by R.K.Selvamani (made around the time Rajiv Gandhi was assasinated) but never got released. I even remember seeing the cassette (was that good old Echo with pink case).

Morover a google reveals, the project is being revived now (http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/telugu/article/19259.html) after 15 years

[vasanth2006]

Bharatiraja's dream venture Kutra Pathirigai with Vikram in the lead.

Was'nt there a movie by the same name by R.K.Selvamani (made around the time Rajiv Gandhi was assasinated) but never got released. I even remember seeing the cassette (was that good old Echo with pink case).



that R.K.Selvamani film name is kutra pathirikkai.

Bharathiraja film name is kutra parambarai.

[vasanth2006]

it seems IR has composed 1 song for azhaga irrukke bayamma irrukku according to imdb
http://www.us.imdb.com/name/nm0006137/

does any one know which song?


it could be the tune of "elaiyuthir kalam" song. but BGM of that song still has yuvan's flavour. Because the interlude guidar bit is reminds pudhupettai song interlude music.

(But i personally feel that there will not be maestro's contribution in this film and yuvan's work after 2001.)

[Sanjeevi]

Yes yes

Elaiyuthir kaalam song, 75% ir song vanthu ketkura mathiri irukkuthu

[MADDY]

it seems IR has composed 1 song for azhaga irrukke bayamma irrukku according to imdb
http://www.us.imdb.com/name/nm0006137/

does any one know which song?


it could be the tune of "elaiyuthir kalam" song. but BGM of that song still has yuvan's flavour. Because the interlude guidar bit is reminds pudhupettai song interlude music.

(But i personally feel that there will not be maestro's contribution in this film and yuvan's work after 2001.)

just curious vasanth, if there was a large IR contribution before 2001 for u1 also???? KR had a lot of old-IR songs in his grahan.....

[vasanth2006]

just curious vasanth, if there was a large IR contribution before 2001 for u1 also???? KR had a lot of old-IR songs in his grahan.....

Digression from IR's New albums:

Maddy i have some thoughts regarding this matter.

there is an interesting fact is there. actually IR is expected that KR would come well and rock the TFM. So IR patiently give the inputs to KR. (actually everybody expected KR in the intial stages. still KR have the time.)

But in Yuvan case is different.actually IR did'nt expect this much from Yuvan. so IR least bother about Yuvan. IR gave the complete freedom to yuvan to make the music whatever yuvan wants. yuvan told in one interview regarding this.
But during the initial stage of yuvan( that is upto 2000), yuvan learned the basics of music from IR. for example how to give the music during comedy scene and which instruments should use?.thats all.i think that is implied.(KR and Bhavatharini also learned the basics of music from IR. that are all implied.)

but Yuvan has own talent. so he is rocking.....

These are all my thoughts and opinions.

End digression.

[buggle]

Thavamai Thavamirunthu heroine Padmapriya speaks about IR

http://www.kumudam.com/kumudam/mainpage.php

[Renault]

Renault, what's IR doing nowdays? Is it not the time for him to retire? :banghead:

Honestly he should retire, but the current MDs are not able to fill his spot. For ppl like you, you can listen to thair sadam and vadu maangai and for people like us IR is more than enough.


njv, your avatar is rocking... and this statement of yours is even more rocking and fitting so as to thunder out the thunderbird.

Thunderbird, Lemme try a perarusu way of response for your question..

"Music has no retirement"

[jaiganes]

Guys!
I have been looping "Madhu" in my system for quite some time. True to the name, I am addicted to the songs of Madhu. I wouldn't call it the best album by IR. Yet it is so simple and relaxing, that once the last song is over, I hit the repeat button, quite involuntarily.

[kr]

Jaiganes:

I agree. I love the songs from Madhu. The pick of the album is Ketkavillaya. To me, it just mesmerizing. Also, I love "Immathoonsu Manasu". The use of trumpets in the song is great.

[app_engine]

http://www.dailyindia.com/show/18601.php/Ilaiyaraja_rules_Malayalam_music_albums


...something to smile about...

[buggle]

News on this saturday programme in chennaionline

http://www.chennaionline.com/colnews/newsitem.asp?NEWSID={DD0336F1-7F25-4DBD-B14C-546E093D1061}&CATEGORYNAME=CHN

[NagaS]

You can listen to two songs from Amirtham (Debut movie for Bhavadharini as MD in tamil) from this URL

http://chinaudioblog.blogspot.com/

Other two songs are solos ("Srirangan sannithi" - IR, "Mugilinamae KaeLadi" - Sujatha)

NagaS

[sudhakarg]

Welcome back NagaS

Thanks for the link. Seems like an ok effort from Bhava, not great, but not bad as well.

[vssathish]

Hi Buggle

Can you mention what female actor Padmapriya mentions about IR.. i am not able to see the details by the link mentioned by u.. or send me the exact link

[app_engine]

sathish, periya bramAdham oNNUmilla...
However, indhAnga link pidiyunga...
http://www.kumudam.com/kumudam/120406/pg15.php

[buggle]

Sorry, it was from previous issue of Kumudam magazine,

It was under the section - Male personalities she likes most..
In that she listed 10 different people such as Aamir khan, President Abdul Kalam, Cheran (of-course he has to be there), etc....

She said that she never met IR but she just gave a image to his music and she is crazy about it. When she used to stay in hostel for her studies IR music helped her all the time whenever she is in joy, sorrow mood and she like all the songs of IR not just few of them

[NagaS]

sudhakarg,

Agree with you - The other two songs, which are missing in this site are much better - Esp., the mugilinamae song is very good ! (Im not sure, but it does sound like reethigowlai)

NagaS

[Hulkster]

If any of hear Devi Sri Prasad you can see the influence of illayaraja in his songs. His nenjum ennum song is actually a earthy number going about the style of Illayaraja's Orchestration.

The fella himself is a hardcore fan of Illayaraja who states Illayaraja as his god.

[aruvi]

I have heard his telugu albums. I haven't heard Aaru. Never found too much IR influence. Especially in his big hits like Varsham, Nuvvu.Nenno., Aarya, Anantham, Sontham etc. I think he has a blend of good sounds.

[rajasaranam]

http://www.dailyindia.com/show/18601.php/Ilaiyaraja_rules_Malayalam_music_albums


...something to smile about...

AE thanks for the link :) and Iam smiling for some ignorant hubbers

[jaiganes]

RS!
Did you see my post in Ir's BGMs thread?
That music , I am hearing everywhere, incluing a few hindi movies and telugu movies.

[Hulkster]

illayaraja had promised us exceptional BGM for Twinkle Twinkle Little Star with the french horn playing in most of the BGMs...he also said he will be releasing the BGM as a separate CD...anyone knows when TTLS will come out(movie release i mean?).

btw the reviews of pachakuthira dunt look good...because of the movies bad rpesentation they seemingly have put down all of the films other technical aspects and the music too...reality or plain disappointment i dunnot know

[krish244]

Hulkster, dont know when the movie is coming out. Check out the following trailer (Malayalam) at IndiaGlitz!

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/trailer/8173.html

thanks,

Krishnan

[Hulkster]

Mikka nandri Krishnan...i already have checked the trailor out umpteenth times and im amazed by the scenes and orchestration of Illayaraja in that trailer.

[vel]

Fellow fans, what says you abt "poo kunguma poo" from rasatantram..very nice.

[Hulkster]

Poo Kungamma Poo is like a tamil styled orchestration song interlaced with folk melody...yes it is quite nice made nicer by the way the singers sing it..especially Chitra.

[Nitya]

While I believe that "Rasathanthiram" passes muster, the songs "Pachakuthira" are quite frankly too drab for my liking. In "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star," I only like the title song, and to an extent, "Engengo Pokkindra" (Ethetho Janmathil in Mallu).


Regards,
Nitya

[Hulkster]

Nitya...it clearly shows on IR that he has decided in focusing on the BGM of films instead of songs...he has already achieved in every department and style of makings songs from the 80s and to now....it is clearly seen he is more towards symphony and works like that.

Maybe if the script is a totally new concept like mayakanaadi or if it is a kamal film IR will once again create some extraordinary songs....until then im afraid it is primary focus on BGM.

[aruvi]

IR is great in BGM, but what truly matters is the songs. If he doesn't live upto expectations on that, then what is the point of focusing on BGM? First challenge is always the songs. I have heard of films running for songs, but never heard of films running for BGM:-)

[njv]

IR is great in BGM, but what truly matters is the songs. If he doesn't live upto expectations on that, then what is the point of focusing on BGM? First challenge is always the songs. I have heard of films running for songs, but never heard of films running for BGM:-)

not really. I know many films didnt do well or did average instead of big hit due to avg or poor bgm. Sarkar in Hindi is an example where the BGM was completely screwed up.

Infact in the current market no MD is doing anything great. YSR is doing something to attract ung minds and thats it. Rest of the MD musics are neighter good (including IR) nor liked by other than the fan base. You have one or two surprizes here and there (e.g. Dishyum)

[Nitya]

IR is great in BGM, but what truly matters is the songs. If he doesn't live upto expectations on that, then what is the point of focusing on BGM? First challenge is always the songs. I have heard of films running for songs, but never heard of films running for BGM:-)

Exactly! The soundtracks feature songs, not background music. Plus, I know that Raja is plenty capable of writing extraordinary songs.

[RR]

Recd via email


I came across your exchange of views on our great Ilaiyaraja. I am a die hard fan of him and used to be in constant contact with him 25 years back. Those days ALL India Radio and Doordarshan were usin song censorships and many of his classical songs were not broadcast/telecast due to this policy. e.g Sorgam Madhuvile, Oram Po, Vaadi En Kappakilange, Nettu Rathri Yamm etc were never broadcast in AIR those days. We had to tune into Radio Ceylon to get these songs.

Similarly, I find that even prior to Ponnuku Thanga manasau, in the film Sabatham by GK Venkatesh, a beatiful melody was sung by SPB - Thoduvathenna Thendralo Malargalo which had many intricate touches of Ilaiyaraja style. I was fascinated by this song even then when I was bearly 12 years old. Then in Yaarukum Vetkamillai also the song Melum Keezhum Kodugal Podu had touches of our great genius. Even though GKV was the MD in all the films referred above, I feel that he might have allowed IR some freedom in these songs. Any interesting views on this?

In Uravadum Nenjam, the same song Oru Naal Unnodu Oru Naal was used in 2 different situations. Usually there would be 2 versions. In Kaatrinile varum geetham, the title song had 2 versions with different BGMs for the same tune. I have also heard another version of the song Devan Thiruchabai Malargale sung by Yesudas in Vividh Bharati's Then Kinnam when the program was presented by IR himself. I have also heard IR sing this song on stage with aplomb even though it was sung by 2 female singers. I also remember having seen the Yesudas version on Oliyum Oliyum only once. Some how the second version never became popular.

He has scored outstanding music for the song Putham Pudu Kalai in Alaigal Oyvathillai; Rasave Unnai Nambi in Muthal Mariyadai; Nadiyil Aadum Poovanam in Kathal Oviyam and none of these songs appeared in full in all these films. He made SPB sing like Vennira Aadai Murthi in the song Engengum Kandenamma in Ullasa Paravaigal which was mercilessly blocked by both AIR and DD those days. The other male singer Malaysia Vasu sang like Surulirajan in this song.

I also have 2 rare songs Rasikane En Arugil Va and Aananda Then Katru (chidambaram Jayaraman style) in cassette for the never released film Manipur Mamiyar. Another song Samaiyal Paadame from the same film was reused in the film Unnal Mudiyum Thambi by KB with slight variations.

IR had another feather in his cap when he made Kamalhasan sing for Mohan in a film. I don't remember the name.

V.Padmanabhan, Pondicherry

[sudhakarg]

Exactly! The soundtracks feature songs, not background music. Plus, I know that Raja is plenty capable of writing extraordinary songs.

Of late, I've been extremely fascinated with the way IRs songs have mixed with the movies. The songs / BGM seem one complete package. Fine examples are virumandi, mumbai xpress, oru naaL oru kanavu, adhu oru kanaa kaalam or even Chidambarathil oru appasamy. For all the above mentioned movies, I heard the songs before I saw the film and was hugely disappointed. But, when I saw the movie itself, the song was part of the "theme" of the movie. To me, IR seems much more "complete" these days. Yes, I agree the soundtracks are not satisfying enough, but the DVD/Movie as a package is what we may have to pursue..

[abbydoss1969]

Poo Kungamma Poo is like a tamil styled orchestration song interlaced with folk melody...yes it is quite nice made nicer by the way the singers sing it..especially Chitra.

Poo kungumma poo is sung by yesudoss , isn't it?

Actually appreciating IR's music , outside the context of the movie is bit dicey. This song (P00) is not a love song , it is bet Mohanlal and his father in the film played by Bharat Gopi.

[Hulkster]

Poo Kungamma Poo is like a tamil styled orchestration song interlaced with folk melody...yes it is quite nice made nicer by the way the singers sing it..especially Chitra.

Poo kungumma poo is sung by yesudoss , isn't it?

Actually appreciating IR's music , outside the context of the movie is bit dicey. This song (P00) is not a love song , it is bet Mohanlal and his father in the film played by Bharat Gopi.

Yesudass and Chitra also sing the song...Female version is chitra and male version yesudoss.

[rooky]

Recd via email


I came across your exchange of views on our great Ilaiyaraja. I am a die hard fan of him and used to be in constant contact with him 25 years back. Those days ALL India Radio and Doordarshan were usin song censorships and many of his classical songs were not broadcast/telecast due to this policy. e.g Sorgam Madhuvile, Oram Po, Vaadi En Kappakilange, Nettu Rathri Yamm etc were never broadcast in AIR those days. We had to tune into Radio Ceylon to get these songs.

Similarly, I find that even prior to Ponnuku Thanga manasau, in the film Sabatham by GK Venkatesh, a beatiful melody was sung by SPB - Thoduvathenna Thendralo Malargalo which had many intricate touches of Ilaiyaraja style. I was fascinated by this song even then when I was bearly 12 years old. Then in Yaarukum Vetkamillai also the song Melum Keezhum Kodugal Podu had touches of our great genius. Even though GKV was the MD in all the films referred above, I feel that he might have allowed IR some freedom in these songs. Any interesting views on this?

In Uravadum Nenjam, the same song Oru Naal Unnodu Oru Naal was used in 2 different situations. Usually there would be 2 versions. In Kaatrinile varum geetham, the title song had 2 versions with different BGMs for the same tune. I have also heard another version of the song Devan Thiruchabai Malargale sung by Yesudas in Vividh Bharati's Then Kinnam when the program was presented by IR himself. I have also heard IR sing this song on stage with aplomb even though it was sung by 2 female singers. I also remember having seen the Yesudas version on Oliyum Oliyum only once. Some how the second version never became popular.

He has scored outstanding music for the song Putham Pudu Kalai in Alaigal Oyvathillai; Rasave Unnai Nambi in Muthal Mariyadai; Nadiyil Aadum Poovanam in Kathal Oviyam and none of these songs appeared in full in all these films. He made SPB sing like Vennira Aadai Murthi in the song Engengum Kandenamma in Ullasa Paravaigal which was mercilessly blocked by both AIR and DD those days. The other male singer Malaysia Vasu sang like Surulirajan in this song.

I also have 2 rare songs Rasikane En Arugil Va and Aananda Then Katru (chidambaram Jayaraman style) in cassette for the never released film Manipur Mamiyar. Another song Samaiyal Paadame from the same film was reused in the film Unnal Mudiyum Thambi by KB with slight variations.

IR had another feather in his cap when he made Kamalhasan sing for Mohan in a film. I don't remember the name.

V.Padmanabhan, Pondicherry

Kamal singing for mohan was for the Tamil version of "julie'', the hindi movie.Mohanand urvasi acted in that tamil version.

[sriharisrinivasan]

I think the song is "Pon Manai Theaduthe" from "Oh Mane Mane".

Regards,

Srihari S.

[abbydoss1969]

[tscii:dc70322c0e]Rasathanthiram is a super hit.


The Vishu report card

By Moviebuzz | Monday, 24 April , 2006, 17:22

Mohanlal has walked away with the Vishu-Easter box-office with his super hit Sathyan Anthikkad film Rasathantram. It is the clear winner as the family audiences have embraced the film.
At second place is Mammootty’s crass comedy Thuruppu Gulan which took a fantastic opening but took a dip in collections in its second week. But still the film is a hit and way down at number three is Suresh Gopi’s Chintamani Kolacase which is an average grosser.

Dileep’s Pachakuthira is at fourth place while Jayaram’s Madhuchandralekha is at is at fifth place and both are losing propositions.

On the whole the superstars continue to rule the Kerala box-office.



http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14190673
[/tscii:dc70322c0e]

[kiru]

Listened to Pachakuthira (mal). One song seems like a recycle and other songs were not appealing to me.

[krish244]

Behindwoods catches up a bit late on the news that IR is scoring for Big B's movie.

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news/apr-06-04/25-04-06-ilayaraja.html

It also says that IR has completed BGM for the new SHIVA.'

thanks,

Krishnan

[Hulkster]

Krishnan sir are there any songs for Shiva movie?...its been long since i heard a hindi song from Illayaraja(tired of all the lifted hindi songs nowadayas)...Mahadev was his last hindi movie?(heyram not really counted due to it being a bilingual)

[rajasaranam]

Hulkster,

It seems the movie Divorce had some good songs but the movie and album both never got released :(
BTW 'Kaun dagar' of Lajja was the last direct hindi song of Raaja

[Hulkster]

Yes i saw the movie's name in IMDB and i was shocked to find that it was not reported in other websites...Kaun Dagar was a beautiful song...athu pathi analysis pennunum naa paathi page poyidum..will explain SOTD tomorrow...Hindi movie goers rarely focus on the BGM of movies and i wonder if they are gonna really recognise it knowing that it is IR whom they all have been ignoring for years...Hope the balki directed flick has some songs as im looking forward to that one.

[krish244]

Hulkster, no idea if SHIVA will feature any songs. I really doubt if it will (at the max...one background melody song probably!). Priority should be BGM!

thanks,

Krishnan

[rooky]

Krishnan sir are there any songs for Shiva movie?...its been long since i heard a hindi song from Illayaraja(tired of all the lifted hindi songs nowadayas)...Mahadev was his last hindi movie?(heyram not really counted due to it being a bilingual)

..and so does Indiaglitz :)

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22041.html

[Hulkster]

Official confirmation of the movie's details then...finally we can change our sights towards hindi due to IR having two movies there...im afraid of Shiva's screenplay...looks like another flick of gross violence.

[krish244]

Interview with Balki about "Cheeni Kum".

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1677032,00110003.htm

thanks,

Krishnan

[Hulkster]

Well his love for IR has been known to us loads of times...lets hope IR repays Balki's "love" by giving us scintillating music which he is bound to give.

[cry_sandiego]

Digression,

Can someone post a link to MP3 or CD audio purchase information of the Telugu movie by IR
"Ninnu CHoodalennu Nennu undenuka ".. I could have very well mispelt the name.

thanks
MSK

[rajasaranam]

MSK,

You can download most of the IR's Telugu songs from Andhravilas.com in RM format. Ofcourse you have to register for free before downloading :)
Ninnuchoodaka Nennundaleni has some excellent melodies
Komallo koyila is a well composed song with some melody counterpoints and sung by Raja himself
the other songs are 'Chamak cham' a typical Andhraish dance no.,
Jajji malli a rehash of 'enna solli paaduvatho', 'kondapalli', 'sari sari' and 'Etho mounaragam' :thumbsup:

[cry_sandiego]

Rajasaranam,

thanks. i have listened to these songs and my fav is Komallo as well.. Especially after the first interlude, when IR goes" ..Ko ko ko ko Komallo ..".. Nice..

Etho Mouna raagam has shades of " Muthin Mainthi ..O Saamandhi .." or some song like that in "XYZ Mogudu" or some Telugu movie like that ( I remember seeing the song on a TV channel in India and could bet that it was by IR ).

Jajji Malli and Kondapalli are rehashes. But in Kondapalli did you see how IR changed the instruments and tempo to suit the telugu style rythm/beats..In the Mallu version in KKS, the tune is more melody and the lyrics are awesome ( I understand Malayalam to some xtent ) ..

Do u know where i can get the CD.. i will be in Singapore/India in a couple of weeks from now.

Cheers
MSK

[app_engine]

http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/26/stories/2006042621180200.htm
..."Music by Ilayaraja falls short of expectations" it says

[njv]

http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/26/stories/2006042621180200.htm
..."Music by Ilayaraja falls short of expectations" it says

the whole mfm is praising the music and here he comes. Kazhuthaikku theriyuma karpoora vaasanai.

[Hulkster]

Well looking at the article writer i thought he must be another north indian who ignores raja's talents....oruthan rombo nalla music penaana yethukkuvae matteingela?...intha mathiri na yeppodumae ungalakku Anu Malik thaan seri..:x

[vem]

IR Fans
We love IR's music because of our infinite love for his music. We shouldnt get distracted because of 1 bad comment.... We also get disappointed with some of his latest albums, but we are not timid to express our dismay.... but when we like an album, we like it wholeheartedly.

Digression

I watched the movie "DEEPAM" yesterday just for our IR; and IR didnt disappoint me at all. the movie has 3 fab songs namely Andhapurathil, Poo vizhi and Pesathe.....

The "Pesathe" song is an unknown IR gem full of guitar inerludesss...... Check it out dudes.

Sivaji's action was fantastic and so was IR's BGM

[rajdes]

MSK, You lose that bet. That song was by MM Keeravani a.k.a Maragadhamani (a.k.a, MM Kreem, I may add for full measure).

[rooky]

Krishnan sir are there any songs for Shiva movie?...its been long since i heard a hindi song from Illayaraja(tired of all the lifted hindi songs nowadayas)...Mahadev was his last hindi movie?(heyram not really counted due to it being a bilingual)

..and so does Indiaglitz :)

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22041.html

..and thatstamil too confirms (movie name wrongly mentioned though)

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/illaiyaraja.html

[kiru]

Guys,
What do you think about writing to Balki about our expectations ? Just let him know we are all looking forward to great music from Balki-IR combination considering the equisite taste Balki displays of IR's music. Maybe we also would put very discreetly that, we are not happy with some latest releases - atleast myself and few others here - (one of us needs to come up with some very nice diplomatic verbiage here :-)) and hope that we get some fresh tune, stylish but pure acoustic recording from IR for this movie. Mahadev was done with a panache that I feel even the latest/greatest MDs might fail to equal.
I hope IR uses Sadhana or Shreya instead of Lata and the rhythm programming is much better than it was in Lajja. Maybe Ranjit Barot is tapped to work with him.
Well..I should say this, this man Balki has my respect. He has the guts to say that he likes the music of a southie, but when things like this , I am told, is not 'very cool' in the biased Bollywood atmosphere.

[Hulkster]

Kiru sir...appadiyae enna raagam...enna instruments...enna style paathu vendum nu request annupovoma?..:D....balakrishnan should get the best out of IR and from the songs he put in his advertisement, it seems he is a melody lover especially the WCM kind...poruthirunthu paarpom.

[rashid2raj]

Let's discuss the succes of IR's latest Madhu ... :D

[Hulkster]

rashid....i know you guys do not appreciate IR's style of making music but making such sarcastic comments will only create more animosity...please refrain from it..thanks.

[rashid2raj]

rashid....i know you guys do not appreciate IR's style of making music but making such sarcastic comments will only create more animosity...please refrain from it..thanks.

I appreciated (and still appreciate) his old songs.. But, his latest works are just NOT optimal. He's sinking the standard he created for himself a time..

[Hulkster]

Well Madhu is quite good....unless your the type who does not like synth melodies or very soft paced songs then i guess you will not like it....but for me i just watch the initial tune and the interludes..if these are satisfactory, then the songs are satisfactory for me too...i agree that it is not vintage stuff but they are quite good....but when albums like MX are said to be no good when it was vitage raja all the way fusing indian raagams with jazz rhythms...then i got nothing to say...just listen to poo poothadu and you will know what i mean by vintage raja.

[Hulkster]

As for ARR i appreciate his music alot and i too like the way he does his fusions...his vennilavae from Minsara Kanavu is a great melody that he did....what i feel though is to get away from the usual techno stuff and start using orchestras so that he can prove himself as a good musician...not that i mean he cannot use orchestras...just that he needs more exposure and give more complex songs for the orchestra to play just like how IR mastered the use of a orchestra.

[njv]

rashid....i know you guys do not appreciate IR's style of making music but making such sarcastic comments will only create more animosity...please refrain from it..thanks.

Hulkster

Vidunga sir. I am really tired of it. Except for few folks in ARR thread, we should stop responding to rest of them. They have nothing to discuss, so they are roaming around.

- Dhum irundha munnala vaa, illatee pinnaala po

[Thunderbird]

I appreciated (and still appreciate) his old songs.. But, his latest works are just NOT optimal. He's sinking the standard he created for himself a time..

and I appreciated ARR's old songs.. not the latest songs which are not so good :)

[Thunderbird]

Let's discuss the succes of IR's latest Madhu ... :D

go discuss about pararasuram's success :D

[svaisn]

is it a fprum on IR or ARR :roll:

[Renault]

Madhu songs are really good and Thanks Rashid for predicting on Madhu's success.

I really didn't have great opinions on Tippu as a singer.Now I am having different opinion of him after hearing Nilavi chutti song from Madhu. That's the power of Maestro.

[Hulkster]

rashid....i know you guys do not appreciate IR's style of making music but making such sarcastic comments will only create more animosity...please refrain from it..thanks.

Hulkster

Vidunga sir. I am really tired of it. Except for few folks in ARR thread, we should stop responding to rest of them. They have nothing to discuss, so they are roaming around.

- Dhum irundha munnala vaa, illatee pinnaala po

Appadiya NJV sir...seri seri vitturom...aduttha IR album enna?...Naan kaduvul thaanae...eppo athai pathi discuss pennuvom...i remember IR was also signed for a navdeep movie called illavattam...any news about that...theres still quite alot of albums of IR we need to discuss soon..for now we will discuss about Naan kaduvul.

[Renault]

Hulkster,

Sometime back I made a list of forthcoming Raja movies...

1. Naan Kadavul

2. Acharya (Vignesh starrer.. not much sound on this and may likely end-up like Kaadhal Jaathi, which did not see the light)

3. Balki's Cheeni Kum with Big B (Hindi)

4. RGV's Shiva - 2 (Hindi)

5. Vamsi's telugu movie and one more in telugu.. not so sure

and with five MDs rumored for Dasavathaaram.. u never know

[Hulkster]

I believe kamal knows IR hates the idea of being just called up for one song....but then again its kamal and perhaps he may give IR the idea of composing the bgm like Lajja style.

The one more in telugu i guess is the classical music movie which they just announced a few weeks back.

Ah acharya...it is that movie that i was interested in...last heard of it around december..and looking from the stills it looks captivating..but then again like what you said may never see the light of the day..:(

Lets see what IR has in store of us....i also remember another movie where there is no technical lighting used for the first time which he is also scoring for...that movie was announced before Acharya in cinesouth.

[njv]

and with five MDs rumored for Dasavathaaram.. u never know

Hope its rumor and if not 100% IR wont be in the list. After JOK and his next movie with Gautham Surya is acting for Jo's production and IR is the MD. Name etc not decided yet.

[Hulkster]

And the movie is supposedly a RGV film...thats what i heard too...not sure if this film comes first or gauthams movie...let us wait and see.

[vasanth2006]

Hulkster,

Sometime back I made a list of forthcoming Raja movies...

1. Naan Kadavul

2. Acharya (Vignesh starrer.. not much sound on this and may likely end-up like Kaadhal Jaathi, which did not see the light)

3. Balki's Cheeni Kum with Big B (Hindi)

4. RGV's Shiva - 2 (Hindi)

5. Vamsi's telugu movie and one more in telugu.. not so sure

and with five MDs rumored for Dasavathaaram.. u never know

i think u missed 1 important movie "Maya kannadi" by Cheran.

there is another movie "adum koothu" also by raja. i am not sure on this. if anybody knows then they can clarify.

[Hulkster]

Yes aadum koothu is by IR...has been confirmed long ago...the director is the one who directed the movie where meera got her national award...the movie has cheran starring in three roles along with padmapriya...and also pandiarajan is inside...i believe the director name is T.V Chandran or something.

[Renault]

Thanks for indicating my misses in the list Vasanth. Those were there in my previous list along with Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, which the movie is still unreleased.

I am kind of surprised and happy on Surya's next movie with IR as MD.. Is there any confirmed news on that. I know that Surya is a HCIRF himself.. and I was also surprised he approached Rahman for his JEOK.

[rajasaranam]

5 MD's for a single movie has already been done in the eighties with SG-IR etc ., for a single movie....damn Iam not getting the name of the movie and song right now :(

[rajasaranam]

there were more movies announced in last two years and cant find any action on the them :(
Pokkisham, Atrai thingal annilavil, saaral, kaadhal arangam, etc., are a few that come to my mind

[aruvi]

Well, ARR is more saleable than IR is these days. Even YSR's audio sells better. So no surprise there.

Vasanth has good music taste. Whatever the result of his films, he has always been able to get good or popular music out of the MDs. So if IR does a film with Vasanth, it might just be a great album to get, fate willing. In the past, IR always gave consistent great albums to popular directors.

[rajasaranam]

googled out :)
Kannil theriyum kadhaigal had 5 md's with IR's
naan oru ponoviyum kanden' and SG's 'naan unna nenachen' other details yet to be googled....
http://www.enricos.tfmpage.com/forum/15111.12.23.22.html

Googling revelead more
even Auto raja had five Md's not sure though with the evergreen 'sangathil paadatha'

so its not new to Raja!

[prabhudas]

Kiru,
Do u have Balki's email ID by any chance? Although I am very interested in "Cheeni Kum" album to come out well for many reasons, I am more interested in Balki's idea and efforts in bringing out IR's old tamil Hits in digitally remastered version, he did mention in an interview ( I think, he is the only hope in this regard, being in the media business and a HCIR fan, KR and YSR taking such project is vanished from my dreams long ago), hope he succeeds and I think we should make a collective effort to have a communication with Balki , if he is seriously into that idea.
If Balki claims himself the biggest IR fan on the universe, I am surprised if he ever even participated in this forum , ( enna daan busy ya irundhalum, TFM forum le atleast participate pannale ( atleast for name sake)nna Big IR fan tag nambaradhu konjam kastam)

Prabhudas

Add, Kannada version of "pitamahan" to IR forthcoming release

[rooky]

there were more movies announced in last two years and cant find any action on the them :(
Pokkisham, Atrai thingal annilavil, saaral, kaadhal arangam, etc., are a few that come to my mind

FYI 'Pokkisham' is now 'Maykannaadi'

[narayanan]

rajasaranam,
I guess 'Sangathil Paadatha' is by Raja, he used the same basic tune in 'Thumbi Vaa' for 'Olangal' too.
~~~~~
More on Kannil Theriyum Kadhaigal:
http://dhool.com/sotd2/569.html

[12bums]

For all I know, I have a feeling that Cheeni Kum will not have new tunes. Thay most probably will have old IR hits, remixed, the way it was done for Balu Mahendra's Aur Ek Prem kahani. That is what IR usually does for Hindi.

Although, I hope I am proven wrong.

Also Vasanth, Acharya is not by IR. I think the trailer is in Indiaglitz and I dont remember seeing IR's name.

[Hulkster]

12bums it is by IR....they announced it in cinesouth not long ago....well we all hope IR does not reuse his tunes....he might be inspired to create some classic hindi tunes...but then again hindi music lovers dunnot really appreciate IR...:(

[NOV]

googled out :)
Kannil theriyum kadhaigal had 5 md's with IR's

Kannil theriyum kadhaigal was produced by A.L. Raghavan and starred Sarathbabu, Sripriya and Vadivukkarasi in a love triangle. The movie had five MDs with each scoring a song. They were - GK Venkatesh, TR Pappa, KV Mahadevan, Shankar-Ganesh and Illayaraja. Needless to say the movie bombed and so did ALR's foray into producing movies.

Songs:

naa unna nenechen - SPB, VJ & Jikki (Shankar Ganesh)
naan oru ponnOviyam kandEn - SPB, PS & SJ (Illayaraja)
naan paarththa rathi dEvi engE - ALR (GK Venkatesh)
onnu rendu moonu - SPS & Sasirekha (TR Pappa)
vEttaikkaaran malaiyilE - TMS (KV Mahadevan)

[inetk]

prabhudas: I have Balki's mail ID and have written to him about his past Raja song usage in his ads. He responded too with a simple 'I'm one of Raja's biggest fans'.

I presume that still doesnt answer other questions like how will people come to know its by IR!

Lemme not put out his mail ID in an open forum...just mail me ur ID and I'll send his ID.

Karthik
6times9@gmail.com

[Shankar]

For all I know, I have a feeling that Cheeni Kum will not have new tunes. Thay most probably will have old IR hits, remixed, the way it was done for Balu Mahendra's Aur Ek Prem kahani. That is what IR usually does for Hindi.

Although, I hope I am proven wrong.

Also Vasanth, Acharya is not by IR. I think the trailer is in Indiaglitz and I dont remember seeing IR's name.

you are right....Raja isn't composing for Acharya. Sabesh-Murali are composing for it.

[Hulkster]

The composer has been changed?...that movie needed IR's touch in bgm looking by the stills...guess we will have to see what other movies he might be scoring music for.

[prabhudas]

Hi Karthik,
Thanks, i just sent u a PM please check and respond.

12 Bums,

I have a doubt similar to u, about "Cheeni Kum" songs, in the lines of IR's old melodies rehashed of Balu's earlier Hindi movie, especially knowing Balki's craving for IR's early compositions, which is still fine if they limit to just one or 2 songs like that and if they choose some real good melody from yester years.

[buggle]

Read this article in Kumudam Reporter mag

It says whenever IR gets emotional on seeing a movie for doing BGM, that movie will turn flop and recently he was doing a movie (they didnt say the movie name directly just said something related to Jail) and he did go emotional. So the producer and director got worried it seems....

Any thoughts on what that movie might be?

[aruvi]

Buggle,

Any idea where we can arrange for 'powercuts'? It seems that when IR did Annakili, the power went out several times. I assume that power failure was the reason Annakkili was a blockbuster musical hit.

Ellaathukkum oru limit illa?

[rajasaranam]

Buggle,

Any idea where we can arrange for 'powercuts'? It seems that when IR did Annakili, the power went out several times. I assume that power failure was the reason Annakkili was a blockbuster musical hit.

Ellaathukkum oru limit illa?

:lol: good one aruvi :)

[buggle]

RS, i am a big ardent fan of IR. I just posted that since i read that in kumudam...

well everyone in film industry is too sentimental (exceptions are there like KH), but still i dont give a damn s*** to all these as long as songs and BGM are good that's what matters...

still any thoughts on what the movie name might be, they said in a siraichalai related movie...

[rooky]

Looks like 'Madhu' is releasing this week.Saw advt in Dina thanthi

[rajasaranam]

RS, i am a big ardent fan of IR. I just posted that since i read that in kumudam...

well everyone in film industry is too sentimental (exceptions are there like KH), but still i dont give a damn s*** to all these as long as songs and BGM are good that's what matters...

still any thoughts on what the movie name might be, they said in a siraichalai related movie...

Buggle sorry if that has offended you :( I too read Reporter...never mind these kind of craps will be written in these kisu kisu magazines. but Me too want to know the name of the movie.:? the words in the titbit was something like ''siraichalai' peyar konda oar padathin recordingin bodhu...'
if its madhu how come it relates to siraichalai ???

[tmrrmt]

Naushad: Composer of the century - a great composer passes away

http://specials.rediff.com/movies/2006/may/08sl1.htm?q=np&file=.htm

[Sanjeevi]

Check this web site

http://www.rakkamma.com/

[sudhakarg]

Nice site Sanjeevi!!

[rajasaranam]

www.raaja.com says there is new upcoming movie titled 'HOPE' in telugu... any details on this movie :?:

[teja]

Rajasaranam,

"Hope" is an offbeat film, with Kalyani (kaveri on tamil screen) and Ramanaidu (producer).
Seems to be inspired by Black.
Glad to see IR scoring for this film. We all know how he infuses life into these off beat films with his re-recording...

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/01/27/stories/2006012701310200.htm

[rajasaranam]

Thanks Teja :)

[vem]

Fazil to direct a new Tamil film with Madhavan in the lead role. Dont know if IR is the music director.

Watched IR's one man show last week. Excellent programme with IR sharing all his experiences right from Annakili to Heyram. YSR's wife also hummed for Nila Adhu vaanathu mele song. Crowd burst into joy and rapture when IR started to sing Thendral vandhu and Thenpandi seemayile....

Surprising element was Oram Po Oram Po song. IR was in great mood, and he recalled those days with Kannadasan. He
extolled Kannadasan so much that he feels fortunate to have been born on the same soil as Nayanmars, Alwars, and Kannadasan. He went on to say that Kannadasan is the greatest lyricist he has seen in his life.

Then he praised SD Burman and MSV. When somebody asked him how Maanguyile Poonguyile song would sound if YSR had composed, IR quickly came up with a remix tune with a stylish accent..... It was very funny to see IR in playful mood.

Finally IR acknowledged & congratulated all his musicians wholeheartedly !!!

[Sanjeevi]

Fazil to direct a new Tamil film with Madhavan in the lead role. Dont know if IR is the music director.


New news :) . can anybody give more details ?

[teja]

Ilayaraja and Vamsi are back

http://www.telugucinema.com/tc/news/vamsi_may1006.php

Seems Aaryan Rajesh is the hero!
Hmm...!
Now, IR and Vamsy have to come up with nothing less than a magical score, to make this film click... IMO.

[rajasaranam]

Thanks for the info Teja :)

So its 6 films are in store for us in Telugu to be composed by IR is it?
Teja's movie
Vamsi's movie
RGV's Movie
one film on a goddess
An experimental movie with a single character titled 'Factory'
another offbeat movie titled 'Hope'

[Sanjeevi]

Now Raja is doing big films after a short period

Tamil - Naan Kadavul

Telugu - Vamsi, Teja, RGV films

Hindi - Amitab film

:D

[thumburu]

Digression -
I happened to listen to Guitar Prsanna's electric Ganesha land and it is very good

[teja]

Madhu review

http://us.rediff.com/movies/2006/may/19maadhu.htm

on the film's music...
"Adding to this is Illayaraja's music, a rehash of his music from the 70s (for such a subject, the maestro has given what it deserves). "

[Hulkster]

Cinesouth said IR's music is the sole saving grace for the whole film. mixed reviews most probably...galatta.com mentions the songs were too slow paced but the background music was excellent.

[teja]

[tscii:bfe129f0c8]DIG

Popular telugu singer Sunitha on IR

Q: Normally many singers touch the feet of Music Directors when ever they meet. What do you think about such show of respect?

A: By the time I joined the industry that trend had changed. I did not meet any music director who insisted that we touch his feet and now it does not exist any longer. Everybody is on friendly terms with each other. Such things we should feel like doing then only will it be of any value. But I never had to face any such situation where it was like I won’t be given an opportunity to sing if I don’t touch the music director’s feet. Keeravani garu, Ramana Gogula garu or Krishna Reddy garu none of them asked for such show of respect. But I, on my own touched Ilayraja garu’s feet when I met him for the first time. Whether or not he gave me a chance to sing it was enough to just see him. I respect him that much.

Q: Who is your favorite music director? In whose composition do you feel you should sing at least one song?

A: It was my life ambition to sing an Ilayraja composition, to work for Bapu and Viswanath films. And I have achieved all three. Ilayraja introduced me to both the Tamil and Kannada Industries and in Telugu I sang for ‘Sivaputhrudu’ movie, of his composition.
[/tscii:bfe129f0c8]
http://www.ragalahari.com/interview.asp?whose=sunitha
END DIG

[rooky]

KR has done reaaly a good job in Naalai and Mandhodu mazhaikalam.
Pretty good come back

[Vkrish]

Raja is proving to be consistent in turning out beautiful melodies, film after film for Mallus. Check this for the latest film, Rasathandiram - starring Mohanlal.

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/musicreview/8293.html

[RR]

IR refuses to sing under Srikanth deva?

http://epaper.tamilmurasu.in/2006/may/21/10_4.jpg

[Renault]

No way Raja would have done that. Srikanth Deva shamefully lifted Tiruvasagam music pieces as a BGM in the sub-standard movie Bambarakannaley.

[Renault]

Raja will not and should not sing for substandard MDs. Thank God sanity prevails.

[rajasaranam]

IR refuses to sing under Srikanth deva?

http://epaper.tamilmurasu.in/2006/may/21/10_4.jpg

RR the words are twisted in nthe news item you have given. It doesnt directly point IR refusing to sing. It says "Isai Amaipavar srikanth deva enbathaal avar pada maataar endraargal". Yaar sonnathunnu poadaama vittathuthaan padikaravangala enna madhiri vaena interpret panna vaikuthu :(
It seems they should have discussed about this within themselves and the director should have said lets apporach IR. Somebody in the discussion could have said 'Illanga avar paada maataar' and then they would have thought of approaching BW.
Read the article again they have given clear details about approaching BW - that he refused when the director asked and SD went in person to convince him. But no such details been given for them Approaching IR...Cant you understand from this that its a fabrication of the newspaper.
Dont know why this Tamilmurasu is behind IR :huh:

[rajasaranam]

Rasathanthiram leading in all Malayalam countdowns :thumbsup:

http://raaga.com/channels/malayalam/top10.asp
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/ut/s/20/10/

Now where are those morons who said its only 2 or 3 of us here are appreciating the album :rotfl: :notworthy:

[teja]

Vamsy's 'Missed Call' with Aaryan Rajesh.

Date Updated: 5/22/2006

Director Vamsy is making a film with hero Aaryan Rajesh and the film is titled as Missed call. Vamsy is coming back after a long gap and Illayaraja is composing the scores for the film.

http://andhravilas.com/movienews.asp?id=5383

[krish244]

Looks like "Naan Kadavul" is shelved for now...

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22572.html

thanks,

Krishnan

[rajasaranam]

I too heard tha the movie is shelved as of now because of PLthenappan. He is already in troubles with that chimpu's Vallavan and also lost some money it seems. He wants Bala to wait till his financial condition improves.
Hmmm.... but Bala whose last movie came 2 years back seems hellbent on going ahead with the movie and is trying out for some other producers. Lets hope for the best :?

[Vysar]

IR to score music for WDB Karunanidhi's biopic movie. Source:

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2006/05/22/actors.html

[kingvj]

IR refuses to sing under Srikanth deva?

http://epaper.tamilmurasu.in/2006/may/21/10_4.jpg

Bharathwaj has already sung for HJ in Thotti Jaya 'Uyirey Ennuyire' song. So, loss of credibility of that news item.

[vigneshram]

Recently I got an album "Sri Siradi Saibaba" by Ilaiyaraja. It's got tracks by S.P.B, Jesudas and P.Suseela. It's an Oriental records(Echo)release. CD was priced Rs.49. I've never heard of this particular album before? Any news on this?

[teja]

Seems like the dubbed version of a Telugu film from late 80's (Sri Shiridi Saibaba Mahathyam).

I remember reading somewhere that this film created a record in audio sales that was unbeaten for more than 10 years.

[thumburu]

Is it only me feeling this way or some of you too feel the same ? Iam talking about the female solo song "indha ulagil naan irundhaalum" from the recent movie "Madhu". Why does it sound like a Christian church song? Though the orchestration is good, the singing is flat without any gamakam and the overall texture of this song is churck like. Is it deliberate?

[MumbaiRamki]

Thats because the heroine in that song wants to become a NUN -thats why .

A comparison betwene this Poo Pookum Minsaara Kanavu-
Both are sung by similar characters but there is a great deal of difference in the song .Raaja's song was more suited to the movie ,but no way near a hit .Rehman song did have some traces of the mood but a huge commercial mood.

[thumburu]

MumbaiRamki, unfortunately Shalini is not a Chitra or a Sujatha to elevate a mediocre tune to good listening pleasure. This is what Chitra and a nice orchestration did to a very pedestrian tune like "endhu paranjaalum" in "Achuvinte Amma" . But "swasathin thaalam" from the same "Achuvinte amma" is a different ball. The tune itself is catchy with good flow in the Charanam too. One could make this out even when IR sings out to the director, playing the harmonium. The harmony and western orchestration transform this tune to sheer magic

[MumbaiRamki]

There is a reason to choose shalini -she is a trained singer from convent (Vijay TV sangamam)..she is not that emotive but not bad

[thumburu]

I like 2 songs "Nilavai chutri" and "ketkavillaiyaa" in that order from the recent "Madhu".
"Nilavai chutri" - Tippu has done a commendable job in "Nilavai chutri", though I miss my fav SPB for such pleasant, peppy numbers. IR might have used synth for these 2 songs. But it is the composition that matters. Synth is only an implementation. The guitar fillers are absolutely Rajaish.
Ketkavillaiyaa - This unconventional tune is a big plus . The first interlude is a sheer beauty while the second interlude just bridges the charanam

[njv]

I heard IR is choosing/selecting only good movies now a days. May be true in MFM but not in TFM. Madhu is a horrible movie. I wonder why Christines in TN didnt protest this movie. It is definitely against their sentiment. If becoming nun is a sin (according to the director) we wouldnt have had Mother Teressa.

This director must have loved some girl and she would have become a nun and he is wetting out. Idiot.

I used to like Ketkavillaiya song before watching the movie. Now I cant anymore. What a waste of IRs time.

[MumbaiRamki]

what abt Minsaara Kanavu?

[rajasaranam]

I heard IR is choosing/selecting only good movies now a days. May be true in MFM but not in TFM. Madhu is a horrible movie. I wonder why Christines in TN didnt protest this movie. It is definitely against their sentiment. If becoming nun is a sin (according to the director) we wouldnt have had Mother Teressa.

This director must have loved some girl and she would have become a nun and he is wetting out. Idiot.

I used to like Ketkavillaiya song before watching the movie. Now I cant anymore. What a waste of IRs time.

njv this is a childish way of seeing a movie IMHO :huh: The movie was a total waste is another thing but the theme was good enough for IR to get involved in this project. whats wrong with a guy falling in love with a girl who aspires to be a nun. As ramki pointed out 'Minsaaru kanavu' held the same theme and it was the making of that movie which made it a hit.
There are different kinds of directors here. Some who come up with good theme but doesnt know how to project it in screen. Some who will have a feeble storyline but will get the best out of everybody in the team and project it appealingly. Some can excell in both- thematically aswelas in screen. The director of madhu falls in the first category.
Well Iam thinking now after reading your post - why this movie was not protested by the christians...If then the movie would have got noticed and would have been a hit for unfathomable reasons :)

[thumburu]

"why this movie was not protested by the christians." - well , seems they are training their guns on a bigger fish like "Da Vinci Code" instead of wasting their energy on a nonentity like "Madhu"

[crvenky]

To some extent, Aruvadai Naal and Konji Pesalam had the same theme.

[njv]

what abt Minsaara Kanavu?

MK

There is a big difference. In MK the girl eventually fall in love with another guy which is still fine. Here in Madhu she is forced to love a guy (and the force is happening thru Ketkavillaiya song, if you watch the movie you will know why I didnt like this - I dont want to describe the situation spoil your movie watching experience in case you want to watch this movie regardless - just like me, I watched it because the title has IR in it)

Rajasaranam,

I agree, the director probably belongs to first category. IR would have thought that its a good subject to evaluate to Alaikal Oivathillai level but the director is not BR. Hmm... This movie just gave be big head ache and probably the reason for my earlier post.

Thumburu

It seems TN is the only place where Da Vinci Code is not protested and now they are blamming Father Jaggath for that... In TN you give and take. Give up on Da Vinci Code and take up Sandiyar vs Virumaandi. You give up Thirupathi and take Vasoolraja MBBS (Doctors protested that it will damage their "community" and they didnt think about Thirupathi damaging them). Its okay to kill animals and eat them but not okay to have a horse riding scene in Imsai arasan 23m pulikesi.

In Goundamani's word Arasiyalla (i mean Tamilnatla) idhallaam sagajam machi.

[njv]

To some extent, Aruvadai Naal and Konji Pesalam had the same theme.
Hmm... didnt see both the movies. I know the songs are good in both but never watched the movies. Wonder how many more movies came in the same subject.

[raj_ram_76]

Infact saw an interview with SATHYAN ANTHIKAAD in a malayalam channel last week. Infact He was discussing about RASATHANTHRAM songs composed by raja.

Ilayaraja infact was not happy with one of the songs during the preview. He called up sathyan and re-composed the song and that song came out as POO KUMKAMAPOO ......

Sathyan was lavishly praising the genius of raja.....

[rashid2raj]

IR refuses to sing under Srikanth deva?

http://epaper.tamilmurasu.in/2006/may/21/10_4.jpg

Bharathwaj has already sung for HJ in Thotti Jaya 'Uyirey Ennuyire' song. So, loss of credibility of that news item.

i don't think so..

[app_engine]

[tscii:2abf5918fb]Sathyan’s Rasathantram has already grossed nearly Rs 10 Crore from releasing stations, a new box-office record....says Sify...[/tscii:2abf5918fb]

[app_engine]

http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-06-07/pg8.php

Some info on `Ayiram thAmarai mottukkaLE' and 'annakkiLi onnaththEdudhE'...supposedly IR's mother's compositions...

[Nakeeran]

http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-06-07/pg8.php

Some info on `Ayiram thAmarai mottukkaLE' and 'annakkiLi onnaththEdudhE'...supposedly IR's mother's compositions...

Vamba vilaikku vangeeranga ippo :lol:

Sila so called IR fanatics unga mela paya poranga ippo :lol:

I belive manguyile poonguyile also has a similar story :cry:

[Vysar]

Gangai Amaran Ir's blood brother claims that so it has to be true.

[app_engine]

"Sila so called IR fanatics unga mela paya poranga ippo "
...Probably not.

Reasons:
1. This is a fairly decent thread with mature participants
2. The opinion is not mine but GA's. Any missile will be automatically redirected to him and I won't be trying to justify GA:-)

[app_engine]

Ask anyone who loves IR's folk songs...while the melody is sweet and catches your attention instantly, what makes you listen to the song over and over 1000's of times is not just that. Neither are those lines that bring the true village feeling alone.

There's this factor, which I believe is truly IR's alone, which is the thuLLal orchestration for such songs...for e.g. I can listen to Ayiram thAmarai just for its first interlude (and the brilliant `thananana-thananana nanana nanana' by SJ in the end) for 1000 times and more...

[prabhudas]

App,

I don't know when will this issue regarding "annakiliye unnai theduthe" song end, the other day in Vijay TV in a new program " Coffee with Suchi" ( A talk show hosted by Radio Mirchi Suchi, it's a nice program so far going well obviously million times better than those horrible SUN TV programs) Dancer Padma Subramanyam when asked to sing a song (as she has been a singer also especially having released an LP record on tamil Folk songs in the 70's with Malasiya Vasu as the co singer) she said many of her folk songs have come to cinema and particularly she mentioned " even Annakiliye " song was originally a folk song which she had sung and Raja liked it( not her song exactly, but that folk song in general) so much that he wanted to use it for his Annakili movie. I think RR mentioned in the Manisegaran's "Raajanna Raaja dhaan" thread about it also.

Listened and listening to "Rasathanthram" songs, IMO one of the better albums by IR except "Daasanna's" (KJY) song
(his ageing voice) all songs are very nice, a must album for all IR fans.

[RR]

[tscii:030055f8e0]
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-06-07/pg8.php

Some info on `Ayiram thAmarai mottukkaLE' and 'annakkiLi onnaththEdudhE'...supposedly IR's mother's compositions...
Here's the full text,
----

தான் வாழ்ந்த வீடுகளின் நினைவுகளை நம்முடன் பகிர்ந்துக் கொள்கிறார் கங்கைஅமரன்.

‘‘கேரள மலைத்தொடரின் எல்லையில், நாங்கள் பிறந்து வளர்ந்த அழகான பண்ணைபுர கிராமம் இருக்கிறது. கிட்டத்தட்ட ஒரு ஆயிரம் வீடுகள் இருக்கும். அதில் முக்கால்வாசி வீடுகள் குடிசை. ஒரு நாலைந்து வீடுகள்தான் காரை வீடுகள். அதில் ஒரு வீடு எங்களுடையது.

அப்பா ராமசாமி ஏலமலை காபி எஸ்டேட்டில் வெள்ளைக்கார துரையிடம் மேனேஜராக இருந்தார்.

ரேழி, தாழ்வாரம், கூடம் என்று எங்கள் வீடு பழைய கிராமிய கலாச்சாரத்துடன் இருக்கும். அந்த வீட்டில்தான் அண்ணன், தம்பிகள் நான்குபேர். அக்கா தங்கை இரண்டுபேர் என்று சந்தோஷமான வாழ்க்கை. அந்த சந்தோஷங்கள் எத்தனை பணம் கொடுத்தாலும் திரும்பி வராது. அம்மாவும் நன்றாக பாடுவார். ‘அலைகள் ஓய்வதில்லை’ படத்தில் வரும் ‘ஆயிரம் தாமரை மொட்டுக்களே’ என்ற பாட்டு அம்மா முன்பே பாடிய கும்மிப்பாட்டுதான். அதே போல் அவர் பாடிய ‘அன்னக்கிளி உன்னைத் தேடுதே...’ பாடல். இதுவும் அம்மா பாடியதுதான். அம்மா பிரமாதமாக மெட்டு போடுவார். இவையெல்லாம் அந்த கிராமத்து வீட்டில்தான் நடந்தது.

லீsஜீணீநீமீ=10பாரதிராஜா எங்கள் வீட்டுக்கு வருவார். அப்போதே நாங்கள் வீட்டிற்குள்ளேயே நாடகமெல்லாம் போட்டிருக்கிறோம். அப்போது எங்களுக்குள் ஒற்றுமையும், சந்தோஷமும் நிறைய இருந்தது.

பாரதிராஜா சென்னை வந்ததும் கொஞ்சநாள் கழித்து நாங்களும் பண்ணைபுரத்திலிருந்து சென்னை வந்துவிட்டோம். சென்னை வந்ததும் பாரதிராஜாவைத் தேடிப் போன போது, அவர் இருந்த இடம் ஒரு பேச்சுலர் லாட்ஜ். மாம்பலத்தில் நெ.62கி உஸ்மான் ரோடு. பகலில் அவரைப் பார்க்க வருவதுபோல் வந்து குளித்து, டிரஸ் மாற்றிக்கொண்டு இரவில் மொட்டை மாடியில் பாயை விரித்து வாட்ச்மேனுக்குத் தெரியாமல் திருட்டுத்தனமாக படுத்த நாட்களும் எங்களால் மறக்க முடியாது.

அடுத்து இராயப்பேட்டையில் நெ.67 முத்து முதலி தெரு. இங்கு இருந்த போதுதான் தன்ராஜ் மாஸ்டரிடம் இசை கற்றுக் கொண்டோம். கற்றுக் கொண்ட கையோடு டிராமாக்களுக்கு இசையமைத்துக் கொடுத்தோம். ஒரு நாளைக்கு முப்பது ரூபாய் கிடைக்கும். அந்த முப்பது ரூபாயே எங்களுக்கு அப்போது மிகப்பெரிய தொகையாக பட்டது.

மயிலாப்பூரில் கச்சேரி தெருவில் கச்சேரி சந்து என்ற இடத்தில் இருந்தபோது இசையமைப்பாளர் ஜி.கே. வெங்கடேஷ் குழுவில் கிடார் வாசிக்க எனக்கும், இளையராஜாவிற்கும் வாய்ப்பு கிடைத்தது. தொடர்ந்து ரெக்கார்டிங், கச்சேரி என்று நல்ல வருமானம் வந்து கொண்டு இருந்ததால் கிராமத்தில் தனியாக இருக்கும் அம்மாவை அழைத்துக் கொண்டுவந்து அவர் கையால் சாப்பிட வேண்டுமென்று எங்கள் எல்லோருக்கும் ஆசை.

லீsஜீணீநீமீ=10அப்போது அம்மா, நாங்கள் இருந்த வீட்டைப் பார்த்துவிட்டு கிராமத்தில் ஒரு பெரிய வீட்டில் இருந்துவிட்டு இவ்வளவு சிறிய வீட்டில் கஷ்டப்படுகிறார்களே என்று வருத்தப்பட்டார். சாந்தோம் காரணீஸ்வரர் கோயில் தெருவில் இருந்த போதுதான் இளையராஜாவிற்கும், ஆர்.டி.பாஸ்கருக்கும் திருமணம் நடந்தது. எனக்கும், கலாவிற்கும் காதல் ஏற்பட்டதும் அந்த வீட்டில்தான். அந்த வீட்டில் ஒரு ஹால், இரண்டு பெட்ரூம் இருந்ததால் எனக்கு திருமணமானதும் இராஜா அண்ணாமலை தெருவிலுள்ள ஆறாவது தெரு வீட்டிற்குப் போய்விட்டோம். பெரிய வீடு. அதில் ஒரு ரூமை எடுத்துக் கொண்டு மாமனாருக்கே மாத வாடகை கொடுத்து என் வாழ்க்கையை ஆரம்பித்தேன்.

சினிமாவில் நான் வெற்றி பெற்று நன்றாக சம்பாதிக்கத் துவங்கியதும் அந்த வீட்டை நானே விலைக்கு வாங்கிம் பெரிய அளவில் விரிவு படுத்தினேன். அந்த வீட்டில்தான் என் மகன்கள் வெங்கட் பிரபு, பிரேம்ஜி பிறந்தார்கள்.

இப்போது அடையார் இந்திரா நகரில் குடும்பத்தோடு உற்சாகம் பொங்க அமைதியான வாழ்க்கை ஓடிக்கொண்டிருக்கிறது. என் மன நிம்மதிக்கு ஷிவானி என்ற பேத்தி. எப்பேர்பட்ட சூழ்நிலையிலும் நான் அந்த குழந்தையைப் பார்த்தால் சந்தோஷம் வந்துவிடும். மூத்த மகன் வெங்கட் பிரபு ஜாலி பையன். எப்பவும் கலகலப்பா இருப்பான்.

மருமகள் ராஜலட்சுமி எனக்கு மகள் இல்லையே என்ற குறையை தீர்த்து வைத்திருக்கிறாள். எப்போதும் முகத்தில் சிரிப்புதான். மாமியார் மருமகளுக்குள் அப்படி ஒரு ஒற்றுமை. இரண்டு பேரும் அம்மா பொண்ணு மாதிரி பழகுவாங்க. நானே பார்த்து ஆச்சர்யப்பட்டிருக்கிறேன். இரண்டாவது மகன் பிரேம்ஜிக்கு பெண் தேடிக்கொண்டிருக்கிறேன். யுவன்சங்கர் ராஜாவிடம் கீ_போர்டு பிளேயராக பிஸியாக இருக்கிறான். இது தவிர இரண்டு படங்களுக்கு இசையமைத்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறான். கடைசியா ஒரு விஷயம் சொல்லணும். வீடு சின்னதோ பெருசோ பணம் நிறைய இருக்கோ இல்லையோ, வீட்டிலிருக்கிற மனுஷங்க ஒருத்தருக்கு ஒருத்தர் அன்பா, பாசமா, விட்டுக் கொடுத்து வாழ்ந்தால் அதுலதான் சந்தோஷம் கிடைக்கும்’’ என்கிறார் கங்கை அமரன்.

அனுபவ அமரன்.
[/tscii:030055f8e0]

---
Source: Kumudam

[RR]

prabhudas,

Yaen ennai maatti vidareenga.. :shock:

[aruvi]

See, everyone will have their own story about an incident like this, especially when the song was created before for other purpose.

Even ARR's "Thamiza Thamiza" was done much before Roja. ARR composed it with Bharat Bala(according to an interview from the latter) during the time Tamils were being ill-treated by Kannadigas.

I doubt Annakili was anyone's but IR's(I wonder how much of what GA said was written as said). Regarding Padma Subramaniam's info, even before, I knew of this. In an interview many years back, she had mentioned that IR and she had done a cassette with just folks songs. But she never said that it was hers. She said that she had sung Annakili as part of a folk song cassette.

Again, I can never tell what to cut and paste with all the info we get. In any event, Annakili song is not IR's signature song. There are hundreds of others that I would think of before saying Annakili. And I am sure many who like IR's songs would say the same.

[prabhudas]

RR
http://tfmpage.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=425&highlight=annakili+unnai&sid=3f9f85921d0356b58a99f7fd16250066

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:40 am Post subject: RR (@ 192.*) on: Tue Nov 9 23:19:09 EST 2004

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Manisekaran: Any reasons why he selected 'annakkili unnaitheduthe' for his debut movie? I was somewhat disappointed to learn that it was originally composed(?) by dancer Padma subramanium.


Neenga mention panninadai quote panninen avvalodaan... :)

As Mr. Manisekaran mentioned in his reply, that was the first time I heard about such news, but the Vijay TV program confirmed from Padma Subramanyam quoting it herself.

[sudhakarg]

Digression:

http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/04/stories/2006060407000200.htm

Movie "Periyar" to be directed by Gnana Rajasekaran (bharathi, mOgamuL, mugam). All his previous ventures are with iLLaiyaraaja, but this one - Periyar - is by Vidhyasagar!!

idhu karuthu vEtrumaiyA alladhu koLgai vEtrumaiyA??

[abbydoss1969]

Dancer Padma Subramanyam when asked to sing a song (as she has been a singer also especially having released an LP record on tamil Folk songs in the 70's with Malasiya Vasu as the co singer) she said many of her folk songs have come to cinema and particularly she mentioned " even Annakiliye " song was originally a folk song which she had sung

It is their way of running down IR.She mentions it wherever she goes, even in some malayalam channels.even the interviewer was taken aback.
I think the story is IR,and GR helped Padma and her sister in collecting and cataloging a folk song album.Which consisted lot of songs Ir listened in his childhood.
Now Padma subramaniam seems to have taken a proprietary control over the songs, she is going around saying IR copied from her album.

[Sanjeevi]

IR is going to score for "Kalaigar" movie which will tell story of karunanithi, the present cm.

Why do IR agree this type of movies????

[aruvi]

Sanjeevi,

Honestly, I have the same feelings. It would be better if he accepts 4 movies a year, and gives good music for them, rather than working in all these charity films. They are not doing him any good, and they certainly don't bring out the creative side in him like some commercial directors.

[krish244]

A new movie "Ajanta" (multi-lingual (tamil, telugu, malayalam)) with music by IR. Cast and crew does not look promising :(

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22828.html

thanks,

Krishnan

[vasanth2006]

A new movie "Ajanta" (multi-lingual (tamil, telugu, malayalam)) with music by IR. Cast and crew does not look promising :(

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22828.html

thanks,

Krishnan

I also read this news in one daily paper.I am disappointed.

why raja accepting this type of dappa films? :( :cry:

[Renault]

I remember Raja saying some time back that all big directors with successful movies of yesteryers have been backed by his music. He wants to encourage lot more new faces.

Result, we have Madhu, Ajanta, etc.

[Nakeeran]

I remember Raja saying some time back that all big directors with successful movies of yesteryers have been backed by his music. He wants to encourage lot more new faces.

Result, we have Madhu, Ajanta, etc.

Whether he said it or not , its absolutely true that directors like Devrajmohan, RVU, R.Sundarrajan ( both were good in picturisation also ) Rajkiran were benefitted by IR's scintillating music

Besides, there is a huge list of actors like Shivakumar, mohan, Vijaykanth etc who were given a new lease of life by IR . I recollect watching an IR programme in 90s wherein VK was saying Raja anne , raja anne

[rooky]

on IRs' Birthday (June 2)

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22840.html

[rajasaranam]

I also read this news in one daily paper.I am disappointed.

why raja accepting this type of dappa films? :( :cry:

We wont know whether the movie is going to be a dabba or not before it comes out :? for instance take sethu it was actually in the dabba for one year so before its release and everybody knows what it did to vikram and bala after release eventually.
So i dont have any regrets about Raja accepting these kind of movies. The director a associate of pavithran the news says - Well Shankar was his assintant too once. look at the way he is making news today.
The movie plot is not yet revealed but they had given a grandiose shooting locations :) and title 'Ajantha' itself is inviting
lets hope for the best friends. even if the movie fails and songs bomb nothing is lost we can get a siru siru siragugalil as in KP or a ketkavillaya from madhu :D

[inetk]

RGV talks about why he chose IR for Shiva redux. But after Rangeela, Daud and Mast, RGV hasnt dabbled in a full-fledged musical. Even for Naach, which demanded great music for saleability, he chose non-starters as composers and the effect we saw. He seems to have lost his interest in songs for his movies...even though he understands that some of his musicals were successful largely 'cos of their scores.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/mmpaper.asp?sectid=10&articleid=652006234943796652006234929609

Going by what he says here, I'm eagerly looking forward towards the music of Shiva!

Karthik

[Sanjeevi]

Great news karthik. Thanks for the info :D

[krish244]

Thanks Karthik! I was more keen on the BGM of this movie...but now the way he talks about the songs (2 of them atleast) has raised my curiosity level!

thanks,

Krishnan

[alwarpet_andavan]

[tscii:5909f00cc1]

If I'm working with Ilaiyaraaja in Shiva, I'm also working with Himesh Reshammiya in Sholay. It all depends on what the situation requires. As for Ilaiyaraaja, you have to see how contemporary his music in Shiva is.”
“The songs just left us breathless”.
:clap: [/tscii:5909f00cc1]

[Vysar]

same news in tamil

http://www.dinamalar.com/2006june07/general_ind2.asp

[genesis]

Yesterday I watched "Athu Oru Kana Kalam" on DVD. The movie felt like from '80s. And the BGM too. Many places the BGM was so dominating it was hard to hear the dialogues. In "Andhal Naal" song, Shreya sounds like Bhava!!! I think this song was composed keeping Bhava in mind......

[Renault]

Genesis,

Adhu Oru was a movie which I thought ended before I could believe it. Raja was the hero of the movie and I felt PriyaMani had beter scope for acting, rather emoting than Dhanush.

Unfortunately, the songs did reach the masses here as thet were basking under a crappy Thayir saadham album :(

[Renault]

Unfortunately, the songs did reach the masses here as thet were basking under a crappy Thayir saadham album :(

I meant the songs did not reach the masses.. thre rest of the statement will stand true for ages.

[swathy]

kattu vazhi kaalnadaiya pora thambi is an excellent gem in this movie

[kingvj]

Watched 'Devan' in SunTV today. Didnt know that it was being played but I just woke up and saw initial BGM scenes which had 80's stamp of IR and thought 'whoa.. new movie and someone has used IR's pattern'. Then realised it was IR himself..!!

The movie was downright amaeturish initially (so was the BGM.. I didnt expect this quality from IR.. probably he or the director decided 'indha scenukku idhu podhum'..) The less the mention of songs the better.. BGM picked up after Vijayakanth's entry.

Overall, a good story spoilt by some bad screenplay/direction. IR's God-gifted talent wasted completely in a movie there's good scope of good BGM.

[Sanjeevi]

"Thalattum Katre"

I liked very much this song in Devan.

[crvenky]

Thalattum katre and Oh indha ezhai geetham are two brilliant songs in Devan, other songs were so-so. But the BGM was grand with lots of brass scoring, esp. the climax. The themes for Vijayakanth and Arun Pandian were fresh. Raja's score for this movie and Aandan Adimai were soon after his return from Hungary.

[vasanth2006]

"Thalattum Katre"

I liked very much this song in Devan.

definitely the starting tune of "thalatum katre" is the replica of the "malaiyoram mayile" from "oruvar vazhum alayam".
raja somehow reused that tune.

[Renault]

Maye the director wanted that tune. Invarialyot of songs we think as a re-use happen to e a director's pestering rather than Raja's wish.

It's a pity that the movie was a second-grade crap despite having stars like Vijaykanth, Kartik and Vivek.

[Hulkster]

Radical on reel
IndiaGlitz [Wednesday, June 14, 2006]


After his critically acclaimed Bharathy, which documented the life and death of patriotic poet Bharathy, director Gnana Rajasekaran has commenced the work to chronicle the life of rationalist thinker and social reformer E V R Periyar.

Sathyaraj, who is a staunch non-believer and a keen admirer of Periyar, dons the title role.

Thrilled to play the role of his favorite leader, Sathyaraj, says 'A dream come true role in my life and I will not miss the opportunity'.

Meanwhile, the rest of the star cast is also finalized by Gnana Rajasekaran.

Kushboo and Malayalam girl Geethu Mohandas play the roles of Periyar's wives Nagammai and Maniammai.

Both are thrilled to play the real life characters of Nagammai and Maniammai.

Says Kushboo, 'Though I have not seen them I would try to give my best by talking to those associated with them. Actresses comes across such roles rarely in their lives and I consider lucky for it'.

The movie would have music by Ilayaraja.

_______________________________________

IR is doing music for another historical oriented film...bound to be great shakes..:D

[rajasaranam]

Hulkster,
this link says the music is by VS
http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/04/stories/2006060407000200.htm

if its by IR then we can sure rejoice :) but lets wait till an official announcement :?

and moreover He is also scoring for the movie on 'Karunanidhi' titled 'Kalaignar' and it has been officialy announced :thumbsup:

[Hulkster]

Yeaps....i sincerely hope IR does the music for the periyar movie too...he and that director are a very good combination from what i heard in bharathy..:D

[rajasaranam]

Hulks they have done Mogamul and mugam earlier to bharathy together :) Hope they dont split :cry:

[thumburu]

I feel VS would give better melodies than IR as IR should be already drained of melodies by now. [No disrespect meant to the greatest IR here. But IR is human too. But I would be more than happy if miracles happen :) ]

[NormalMan]

Well according to this IR is scoring for Periyaar

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/23045.html

[sudhakarg]

Not sure if IR would accept composing music on a subject that calls for atheism!!

[prabhudas]

Thumburu,
Just curious what melody by IR was pale in comparision to VS melody in recent times or what VS melody was extraordinary (No disrespect to talented VS here, VS does give more melodies and has been giving melodies more often than others if not consistantly)but IMO VS success and recognition from masses unfortunately has come more for his kuthu songs Like Dhool, Gilli, Run than his melodies.
I don't know if IR's melodies are drained they still stand distinct from others ex. Madhu, Rasathanthram.
What melodies do we need for a movie on " Periyar" anyways, even with single soul stirring song with some amazing BGM for " Kamaraj" IR did a terrific job which might not have been the case with other MDs. IMO only ARR has estblished in providing better scores for period movies and Biographical movies ( multiple examples), may be he should be given ( but that's a dream knowing time and money involved with ARR, they could make several movies on many other leaders on that budget and time )
I am not against VS, who knows he might do good too, but I am not sure if he is capable of doing some thing distinct for movies like this.
On the BGM aspect, somehow I have always felt, IR should try something new in his forthcoming movies, being a HC fan of his BGMs despite being predictable in some sequences and repitative some how they are never boring or unsuitable in any of the movies till now, but somehow I felt Adoor Gopal's "Nizhalkuthu" had some totally different BGM score by IR (very subtle yet so good) may be the movie narration had some thing different

[Nitya]

sudhakarg

Not sure if IR would accept composing music on a subject that calls for atheism!!

I'd hope not!!! I wouldn't want to see such a great talent using his musical capabilities to promote atheism.

[cry_sandiego]

Only a couple of weeks back i was able to get the Rasathanthiram CD. i was very impressed with the " Poo Kungkuma Poo " , " Aathinkarayorathu " and "Ponnavani.."..

Manjari seems to be good find.. KJY's Poo Kungumapoo version - he sounds tired..but the Chitra version was Excellent.

The CD had some bonus mallu songs as well .. pretty decent..Worth the money i spent for the CD.

Incidentally i was talking to a co-worker ( from kerala ) and he said the movie's director Sathyan is considered top notch in Kerala and has given quite a few decent flicks.

I also bought Pachakuthira but have not listened to it yet..

Cheers
MSK

[MrJudge]

I sincerely hope IR works with Gnana sekaran for Periyar.

[rajasaranam]

I'd hope not!!! I wouldn't want to see such a great talent using his musical capabilities to promote atheism.

Intolerence at its peak :evil:
When we atheists are able to listen to 'Thiruvaasagam' day and night for its literary and musical significance. Why can't you people listen to the music on the subject of athiesm for its social significance. This shows how narrow a theist's mind is. :notworthy: And how broad an Athiest's mind shouts
'Paarada intha maanida parappai' - Bharathidasan

[rajasaranam]

I sincerely hope IR works with Gnana sekaran for Periyar.
:) Lets hope for the best :thumbsup:
I sincerely hope of Raja giving music to some songs of Bharathidasan, paavalar varadharajan and Pattukottai kalyanasundaram rightly placed in the movie :)
Naadi narambellam thudikka vaikkum Isai Makkalai Ezhuchi Kolla seiyum Isai Thevai >
'Manitha Manitha Ini un vizhigal Sivanthaal Ulagam Vidiyum' madhiri...

Though i believe even VS could do some magic as in the 'Parai' from Thendral...

[rajasaranam]

This website news doesnt sound promising :(
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/kushboo22.html

[MrJudge]

I sincerely hope of Raja giving music to some songs of Bharathidasan, paavalar varadharajan and Pattukottai kalyanasundaram rightly placed in the movie :)
Naadi narambellam thudikka vaikkum Isai Makkalai Ezhuchi Kolla seiyum Isai Thevai >
'Manitha Manitha Ini un vizhigal Sivanthaal Ulagam Vidiyum' madhiri...

Though i believe even VS could do some magic as in the 'Parai' from Thendral...

I too want IR to accept the offer. IR had scored for movies with atheist themes ex. Kadavul. So IR will do it if he is approached. With the songs of people you listed here if IR sticks with manual orchestra, that will be a treat for all.

I don't think VS will do justice for this movie. He is totally out of form right now.

[alwarpet_andavan]

IR had scored for movies with atheist themes ex. Kadavul.

Exactly!

[ARUNPRAKASHKRISHNAN]

yes.like ir to compose music for periyar

[ARUNPRAKASHKRISHNAN]

bala's naan kadavul launched.music IR.

[rajasaranam]

Hoorayyyyyyyyyyy :mrgreen:

Naan Kadavul Launched :D :clap: :thumbsup:
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/23064.html
http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/livewire/id/4372/news/naankadavul.html

Hmmmmm Lets wait for the magic of Bala And Raja :)

Is it the Politician Krishnaswamy going to play an important role in it or is it someone else :? If its the politician this will be probably fourth attempt like this after Thirunavukarasu, Dr.Ramadoss and TholThiruma 8-)

[Vysar]

[tscii:69bdbc3171]
Hoorayyyyyyyyyyy :mrgreen:

Naan Kadavul Launched :D :clap: :thumbsup:
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/23064.html
http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/livewire/id/4372/news/naankadavul.html

Hmmmmm Lets wait for the magic of Bala And Raja :)

Is it the Politician Krishnaswamy going to play an important role in it or is it someone else :? If its the politician this will be probably fourth attempt like this after Thirunavukarasu, Dr.Ramadoss and TholThiruma 8-)

Don't forget Jeppiar

Bala quoted

“He is the best music director in Indian cinema. No wonder we call him Isaigjani Ilayaraja” .

Bala added that music will be an integral part of his film

http://sify.com/imagegallery/gallery/index.php?hcategory=13709686&hgallery=14227651[/tscii:69bdbc3171]

[Nitya]

Mr. Judge

I too want IR to accept the offer. IR had scored for movies with atheist themes ex. Kadavul. So IR will do it if he is approached. With the songs of people you listed here if IR sticks with manual orchestra, that will be a treat for all.

You mean, if IR uses manual orchestra! You can't be too sure.

[Nitya]

Nitya wrote:

I'd hope not!!! I wouldn't want to see such a great talent using his musical capabilities to promote atheism.


Intolerence at its peak
When we atheists are able to listen to 'Thiruvaasagam' day and night for its literary and musical significance. Why can't you people listen to the music on the subject of athiesm for its social significance. This shows how narrow a theist's mind is. And how broad an Athiest's mind shouts

'Paarada intha maanida parappai' - Bharathidasan


Hypocrisy at its peak! :P
Now, I have no qualms with 'Thiruvaasagam.' But what social significance are you talking about?

You may have a broad mind by the standards of you and I, but is your mind broad enough that you could tell me where I am, what I look like, and how much money I have? First see if you can answer this question and then brag about how broad atheists' minds are compared to theists.

[MrJudge]

Mr. Judge

I too want IR to accept the offer. IR had scored for movies with atheist themes ex. Kadavul. So IR will do it if he is approached. With the songs of people you listed here if IR sticks with manual orchestra, that will be a treat for all.

You mean, if IR uses manual orchestra! You can't be too sure.

I am among the one of IR fans who want him to go back to his roots where he is so strong instead of using synths. Somehow his songs sound lifeless with new tech. Just listen to 'kodiyile' from Kadalorak kavithaigal, everything was in the right proportion tune, recording with good bass etc. I wish IR sticks with orchestra if he gets this project.

[rajasaranam]

You may have a broad mind by the standards of you and I, but is your mind broad enough that you could tell me where I am, what I look like, and how much money I have? First see if you can answer this question and then brag about how broad atheists' minds are compared to theists.

You are in planet earth
you almost look like a female
you have more money than you need

:huh:

[rajasaranam]

[tscii:784f90cb97]

Don't forget Jeppiar

Bala quoted

“He is the best music director in Indian cinema. No wonder we call him Isaigjani Ilayaraja” .

Bala added that music will be an integral part of his film

http://sify.com/imagegallery/gallery/index.php?hcategory=13709686&hgallery=14227651

Thnx for reminding Jpr

But the other sites mentions Krishnamurthy a carnatic singer 'will play a significant role'. Probably the earlier link where it mentioned Krishnaswamy should be wrong :? [/tscii:784f90cb97]

[rajdes]

rajasaranam, Hmm...broadstroking theists on the basis of a sample set of 1 - thats broad-mindedness? ;-)
I do hope IR doesnt do Periyar - not because of the atheism thing - that atheism thing is only a part of Periar's ideology.But because I dont think we would get anything better than 'Kamaraj' - IR's formulaic approach is quite well known - in the sense not in the SARajkumar sense - same tune for all occasions - but in a different sense - IR does have a forumla for 1)Mallu movie sub-genres of movies - watch the similarity between Kastoori Maan and Kadalukku maraiyaadhai - both are sensitive malayalam-type movies and similarly, you can find sub-genres like this sub-genre of "Leader" movies. That said, who would do a better job? Surely, not VS?(Hey, we dont need a melody for this movie)

I hope to be pleasantly surprised if IR does do this movie and comes out with a different score.

Coming back to the atheism discussion and Periyar, I do agree with RS that Periyaar cannot be seen from a "GOD-hater" prism alone - he atleast lived with his principles, didnt aspire for power and though he initiated brahmin-baiting(a trait which IMO has been taken to its limits by DMK), I think it is quite natural for a section oppressed for centuries to feel bitter against the erstwhile oppressors - that doesnt justify it but atleast, I can understand. What I cannot understand though is the continued manic hate for Brahmins and attributing current manipulation of social engineering practices to them - RS, if you wake up, you will realise that the real threat to the oppressed people doesnt come from Brahmins but the political classes and families which promote their own interests at the expense of
1) Their party workers
2) General public
I pity class 1 more because they are pouring water for "vizhal".

[rajdes]

rajasaranam, Hmm...broadstroking theists on the basis of a sample set of 1 - thats broad-mindedness? ;-)
I do hope IR doesnt do Periyar - not because of the atheism thing - that atheism thing is only a part of Periar's ideology.But because I dont think we would get anything better than 'Kamaraj' - IR's formulaic approach is quite well known - in the sense not in the SARajkumar sense - same tune for all occasions - but in a different sense - IR does have a forumla for 1)Mallu movie sub-genres of movies - watch the similarity between Kastoori Maan and Kadalukku maraiyaadhai - both are sensitive malayalam-type movies and similarly, you can find sub-genres like this sub-genre of "Leader" movies. That said, who would do a better job? Surely, not VS?(Hey, we dont need a melody for this movie)

I hope to be pleasantly surprised if IR does do this movie and comes out with a different score.

Coming back to the atheism discussion and Periyar, I do agree with RS that Periyaar cannot be seen from a "GOD-hater" prism alone - he atleast lived with his principles, didnt aspire for power and though he initiated brahmin-baiting(a trait which IMO has been taken to its limits by DMK), I think it is quite natural for a section oppressed for centuries to feel bitter against the erstwhile oppressors - that doesnt justify it but atleast, I can understand. What I cannot understand though is the continued manic hate for Brahmins and attributing current manipulation of social engineering practices to them - RS, if you wake up, you will realise that the real threat to the oppressed people doesnt come from Brahmins but the political classes and families which promote their own interests at the expense of
1) Their party workers
2) General public
I pity class 1 more because they are pouring water for "vizhal".

[rajasaranam]

rajdes,

ok agreed I shouldn't have classified all theists alike nitya who is fanatical in opposing Athiesm. May be i should've classified her along the RSS gangs who are similar to her in thought process.
Regarding IR getting into a formulaic circle I agree aswel disagree. This can be said about other movies too no...Love subject, action movies, thrillers are take any other kind of movies he has worked. Just because Raja has worked on My dear kuttichathan and Anjali we can't ask him to stop working on TTLS. Though we know the music has same formulaic approach in these kind of movies we expect him to come up with a 'Swasathin Thalathil' among other formula songs.
And regarding historical personalities RAja jas worked only Kamaraj and Bharathi till now. Both were entirely different musically. That should've come up because one was a political leader and the other a poet. Same way Periyaar is not a mere political leader he was a social reformer and revolutionary. Hence we can expect some different kind of scores for this if scored by Raja. Well if it falls into the same formula cycle nothing is lost we would get some good songs and fantastic BGM.
Think about the life of periyaar > he was roaming around kaasi and rameshwaram like a sanyaas till 40's then he joins congress> quits it when seeing Dalits being Excluded from eating along brahmins in a congress run ashram/school> Vaikom>Kadavul Silaigal udaippu>Thravidar kazhagam>Nathigam>thamil mozhi poar> Kula kalvi ethirppu> aaruyir nanban Rajajiyai ethiriyathal> Rajaji maraivu> anna pirinthu poathal> Anaithu Saathiyinarum Archagaraaga court padi eruthal...and his death. The subject has got all the elements to become a chronicle of the history of a man better known as 'Thamizhar thanthai'. Think about the songs sequences or BGM's at these places... for instance think how Raja will transform the same theme music of friendship between Periyaar and Rajaji into their enmity in political front and when it returns back with more vigour at Rajaji's death. And if not for Raja who else can do it better?
but I think GRajashekaran wont be bold enough [as periyaar himself ] in bringing out all these political issues in the movie. he may just churn out a melodramatic superficial movie concentrating more on the personal life of Periyaar rather than his political life, which forms the basic identity of Periyaar :?
I Believe Raja should never stop scoring films forever for any reasons at all.

Raj again I would never wish to discuss political/social issues here as this is not perfect platform for doing it... if not for that post of nitya who spewed her haterd towards atheists.
dig[Regarding the anti-brahmin sentiment i do agree with you that it has been carried too far in tamilnadu's context [not in Indian context :wink: there is still work to be done for that] as the brahmin supremacy was well dealt with in the period of Periyaar itself. Its the DMK and its offshoots who used it to their utmost advantage. If periyaar was there today he would have thrashed up the neo-brahmin people like Devar's, Vanniyars, Naadars and Kounders who are more vehement in upholding casteist principles and opressing others more than brahmin's. ]end dig

[krish244]

Some speculation about the forthcoming movie "Shiva":

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/23076.html

Thanks,

Krishnan

[kiru]

sudhakarg

Not sure if IR would accept composing music on a subject that calls for atheism!!

I'd hope not!!! I wouldn't want to see such a great talent using his musical capabilities to promote atheism.

I disagree. Working on a movie on Periayar does not equate to promoting atheism. Moreover, not all movies IR worked on were examples to be emulated by the youth/general population. Most of our movies are sexist (the way hero treats the heroine), vulgar (eg. nethu rathiri yamma) many are casteist, and a growing lot are glorifying/espousing violence.
To be honest, I should say, inspite of the negatives (violence on brahmins), Periyar DID contribute majorly to the social maturity/growth of the state.
DMK/ADMK and other parties have used Periyars' ideologies conveniently to their own personal gains and have precipitated the failure of the Dravidian movement. The return to casteism in the state is proof of this.
(Even Dir. Bala is overrated , chEran seems to be more positive-minded and healthy in his approach. I watched thavamai thavamirunthu and really appreciate it. Wish IR had done the music for this - some copycats have used ARRs music in this movie).

[rajasaranam]

Kalaignar's life history in movie format
Details in kumudam
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Cinema/2006-05-29/pg2.php

Six songs in the movie three are sung by Raja :)

[Nitya]

Rajasaranam

You are in planet earth
you almost look like a female
you have more money than you need

Rajasaranam, you are right on the first one. But FYI, I keep sideburns, a mustache and a goatee. Plus I have a flat chest. And what's this "you have more money than you need"?
Why then do you call atheists more broad-minded than theists?


Rajasaranam

Raj again I would never wish to discuss political/social issues here as this is not perfect platform for doing it... if not for that post of nitya who spewed her haterd towards atheists.

nitya is my screen-name. My real name is Nityananda, and I don't hate atheists. I'm simply concerned for their souls. I don't know the life story of Periyar, so pls. forgive what might look like fanaticism on my part.

[Nitya]

kiru


Nitya wrote:
sudhakarg


Not sure if IR would accept composing music on a subject that calls for atheism!!


I'd hope not!!! I wouldn't want to see such a great talent using his musical capabilities to promote atheism.


I disagree. Working on a movie on Periayar does not equate to promoting atheism. Moreover, not all movies IR worked on were examples to be emulated by the youth/general population. Most of our movies are sexist (the way hero treats the heroine), vulgar (eg. nethu rathiri yamma) many are casteist, and a growing lot are glorifying/espousing violence.
To be honest, I should say, inspite of the negatives (violence on brahmins), Periyar DID contribute majorly to the social maturity/growth of the state.
DMK/ADMK and other parties have used Periyars' ideologies conveniently to their own personal gains and have precipitated the failure of the Dravidian movement. The return to casteism in the state is proof of this.
(Even Dir. Bala is overrated , chEran seems to be more positive-minded and healthy in his approach. I watched thavamai thavamirunthu and really appreciate it. Wish IR had done the music for this - some copycats have used ARRs music in this movie).

When you say "Not all movies by IR were examples to be emulated by the youth and the general population," and that "most of our movies are sexist, vulgar, many are casteist and a growing lot are glorifying and espousing violence," I can say with conviction that you're right. I have seen enough Tamil films to know. Perhaps I should rephrase my first posting regarding Periyar. I meant to say that "I hope that the songs in that film do not reinforce atheism."

[kalnayak]

Beginning itself this film is disappointing - IR is not scoring.

[rajdes]

RS, agree this is not the place for political discussions. And I dont browse other sites :-). So, I'll just sign-off saying this: "Bitterness about past doesnt solve anything - vision for future does. You need to forego the temptation to take revenge to ensure a better tomorrow"
Thats my belief and personal experience

I see a point in your hopes about the story inspiring IR but I pin down that as just that - hope rather than a realistic expectation :-)

Nitya, ippo enna? If IR does a song on atheism, how does that matter? Surely, nobody is going to change their belief listening to such a song, howsoever good it might be? Rajasaranam didnt become a theist because of thiruvasagam :-)

I dont understand this and similar claims about religion being threatened by a movie, song etc - recent example being da vinci code - surely a belief that has survived 2000 years (and much more in the case of hinduism) cannot be threatened by a mere movie or a book?

Take Tamilnadu for instance - for 50 years and more, anti-GOD thing has been going on - is there a reduction in the superstitions and religousity in general? No! What has happened is that we have got new Gods like Periyar, Anna, Kannagi....and IR/ARR :-).Basically, the Hindu cult of mind is engrained in our genes including non-Hindus - we Indians specialise in making personal Gods and personalize the whole experience of spiritualism - so even though a periar-worshipper(not a rational periyar follower, note - I am sure this category is a minority in TN) denigrates GODS(in general, probably only Hindu Gods in their case), I can only laugh at him because by worshipping their leaders, they have only absorbed the spirit of Hinduism in them :-). In my opinion, Hinduism is all about personalizing your spiritual experience - it doesnt matter how you reach it or which God you worship - it is about awakening your soul. In that sense, True Periar followers could be called True Hindus and vice-versa - it is the in-between gang mired in Caste, Hierarchy, class and nepotism that is neither here nor there.
Enough of my politics. Admin, please delete if anything is (unintendedly) offensive to anyone

[njv]

Some speculation about the forthcoming movie "Shiva":

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/23076.html

Thanks,

Krishnan

http://subwaycinema.com/frames/nyaff06_shiva.htm

[vem]

This thread is mainly for discussing IR albums. Not why he chose or didnt choose to work on an album. There could be 100s of other reasons (not just idealogical diff) for IR not working on the Periyar movie.

People from different religions come to this site. So let us not make this a Religious/Atheist thread, as we have many such threads in the internet for such silly fights.

Again, religion is very personal. So if Periyar Ramasamy didnt want to worhsiip God, so be it. But the irony is that these people (so called Atheists) are just ANTI-HINDU. Thats all. Sathyaraj, our great Kalaignar, because of Politics, criticize the Hindu practices and the Geetha while not uttering a word against Bible or Quran.

But that is politics. Let us not squabble on whose God is better or if GOD really exists ?

The bottomline is IR is not working on that Periyar movie - who knows the director might have thought that IR could be just over the hill as a music director :) (even though we dont believe that)

[Nakeeran]

Rajasaranam & Nityanand

shred egos & useless exchanges on Atheism / Theism & just focus on the subject. about IR .
What I could see here is PURE EXCHANGE OF EGO TAMPERING

for heaven sake, dont drag the caste tag here . Disgusting

we are in 21st century now :cry:

[sudhakarg]

I'm hooked onto to two songs from Madhu for the last 4 days

1) indha ulagil
2) kEtka villaya

Whoever thinks Raja's best days are over, please listen to these two songs. You would know that the journey has just begun!!

[cry_sandiego]

Kiru,

I liked Thavamai Thavamirunthu as well.. ( except it seemed a little long ..maybe i have gotten spoilt in this fast food culture ) .. at many visuals i longed for IR's BGM.. the movie had terrible BGM masking many good dialogues that i had to replay to catch what the characters were saying . It seemed like Sun TV serial BGM with overpowering music.. No-one understands the power of silence in BGM as IR does..



Cheers
MSK

[krish244]

Njv, I came to know about this premiere thing a few days back (missed to post it here...). Probably RGV is waiting for the completion of song picturisation (as he mentioned in an interview) and the overall packaging before announcing the release date.

Since there is no update after the release of the trailer (by IndiaFM), the media got curious about it! BTW, surprising is that only IndiaFM website has released the trailer of this movie or has it been shown in any other website? As far as I know the trailer has not been shown on TV (or has it been??).

thanks,

Krishnan