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kalladicrapp

11th January 2006, 12:58 AM

Sathyan Anthikkad who always extracts the best music from the Maestro has completed the recording of his latest venture with Mohan lal in the lead.The movie is said to have 7 tracks sung KJY,MGS Manjari and others.I can hardly wait.

MusicIsLife

11th January 2006, 10:34 PM

raja_fan, You should get the Bose Noise Cancelling Head phones instead and listen to some good music by IR. actually they are giving a free Bose CD player with it, check out their site

http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/popup/promo/pop_qc2_bosecd_holiday05.jsp&ck=0

raja_fan

13th January 2006, 04:54 PM

Thanks MusicIsLife !

raja_fan

13th January 2006, 04:56 PM

Cheran's interview.
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/01/13/stories/2006011302780100.htm

"What is the plan for 2006?

I may direct a film for Panchu Arunachalam and act in a couple of films."

Sariyaa pochu ! innum "pokkisham" aarambikkave illaiyaa ??

Sundar12345

13th January 2006, 09:10 PM

Does anyone kno abt IR's KONJI PESALAM
The audio released 2 yrs. back.
The siru siru song is abs. fantastic..

baba88

15th January 2006, 01:42 AM

All Ilayaraja Fans vote for Ilayaraja at this website
www.ennavale.com on the top of this website there is User Voting.

raja_fan

16th January 2006, 02:32 PM

I somehow feel that
THIS THREAD IS LOSING ITS LIFE :(
WE ARE ALL DISCUSSING EVERYTHING OTHER THAN "IR's NEW ALBUMS" :)
DOES IR REALLY HAVE ANY OFFICIALLY DECLARED PROJECTS OTHER THAN WHAT MEDIA HYPES ???

app_engine

19th January 2006, 04:46 AM

Ok, raja_fan..ungaLukku oru news pidiyungO:
http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14119097

Raja recorded four songs for Mohanlal film it seems...

vijayr

19th January 2006, 09:50 PM

More on Bala's next film with music by IR
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14123553

app_engine

19th January 2006, 11:07 PM

'Njan' and not 'nAn'/'yAn'?...sounds like Malayalam:-)

yvsmani

21st January 2006, 09:08 PM

according to kalki magazine, IR is the MD for rajkiran's next film (rajkiran is the hero)

sudhakarg

24th January 2006, 05:46 PM

[tscii:609eb469a1]I saw "oru naaL oru kanavu" recently in DVD. The songs were wonderful. Most of them fitted the situation very well - except for “Kajuraho”, which incidentally is a *hit* :lol: The surprise number in the pack was the title score “oru naaL oru kanavu”. It was fantastic. Wonder why the hubbers did’nt discuss much about it!! I was amazed that even after 800+ films (can someone tell me what the accurate number is now??), Raja can still be so fresh.

The BGM was great. I was amazed to see Kajuraho’s tune morphed to create a sorrow or romantic effect. There can be no doubt that he is the best in BGM. RAja Raja thaan!!
[/tscii:609eb469a1]

Sanjeevi

24th January 2006, 10:20 PM

Bazil wasted khajarovoo song in the film. The very worst picturisation of the year.

crvenky

25th January 2006, 10:44 AM

I came to know that there is a program tomorrow in Jaya TV for Republic Day specials, wherein singers would speak about their experiences with Maestro (might be 10.30 am IST). Somebody please confirm the time.

krish244

25th January 2006, 11:29 AM

Yes crvenky! Even I saw a clip of that programme today on Jaya TV. I think its at 10:30am as you said.

thanks,

Krishnan

raja_fan

25th January 2006, 02:23 PM

That's great !
But why this sudden love of Jaya TV for IR ?!
It is not good for IR :)

teja

25th January 2006, 03:34 PM

http://eenadu.net/ncineshow.asp?qry=chennai

Finally...!
2 films in IR-Vamsy's combination are going to sets in March.
Recording starts in February.

rooky

25th January 2006, 04:53 PM

http://www.behindwoods.com/features/News/News39/24.01.06/music.html

thumburu

25th January 2006, 06:17 PM

Thanks to CRVenky and Krishna for this good news. :)

app_engine

28th January 2006, 03:06 AM

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/01/27/stories/2006012700200200.htm

some info on `pachchakkuthira'...is it the first time IR works with Kamal (malayalam director)?

Vysar

28th January 2006, 08:54 PM

This is what happening with talented KR

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/GOSSIP/GOSSIP17.ASP

raja_fan

30th January 2006, 01:09 PM

Digression !

Can anybody tell clearly what would be the benefits for a end subscriber by the new cable tv law in TN ?

Can a subscriber be able to choose between competitors ?
As subscribers are more taunted by the local operators than the SCV etc..For example, my local operator never bothers about the cable / transmission quality. When we complain, he dares to say that he will disconnect our connection.. Is DTH the only alternative ?

tmrrmt

31st January 2006, 12:29 AM

Hi - where can I get to read good reviews of HOW TO NAME IT ? and NOTHING BUT WIND online ?

Shankar

31st January 2006, 11:09 AM

madhan,
try coolgoose...

az_raja_fan

31st January 2006, 01:22 PM

Hey guyz.... VERY URGENT HELP REQUIRED: I am dying to get the mp3 of "Ghana Shyama" from Kochu Kochu Santhoshangal... that song is going on in my mind all the time......... Please help me!! Tried Coolgoose to no effect.

Vysar

1st February 2006, 12:33 AM

Whoever sharing IRs music illegally please read the following plea from IR

http://www.raaja.com/maestros_desk.htm

az_raja_fan

1st February 2006, 12:43 PM

How can one get very rare songs of IR instead? I am willing to pay the money, but am not able to get this album on the net...

app_engine

2nd February 2006, 03:41 AM

http://www.kumudam.com/lightsonline/280106/pg7.php

excellent interview with Mahendran...

raja_fan

3rd February 2006, 02:09 PM

IR to compose for "Anbe Vaa" ?

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/actors.1680/movie_name.4118/

multinamatheyan

3rd February 2006, 08:31 PM

raja fan,

each time you click this link a different picture appears.

I clicked it twice and got MGR and Deva.

prabhudas

9th February 2006, 07:56 AM

Digression-
Did Anybody watch Jay Leno's tonight show music segment this Monday with live performance of a music bit from "MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA" by John Williams and Yo Yo Maa,

I happened to watch "NizhalKuthu"of Adoor Gopalkrishnan on DVD, with BGM by IR, the BGM is so subtle yet so powerful, at times sounded if it was deliberate underplay,
the music by John williams and Yo Yo Maa was like that very simple yet so beautiful,
it's been a long time, I will try to upload
the BGM clips soon

Prabhudas

great

9th February 2006, 12:17 PM

if anybody is interested in knowing the raagas used by IR ....

go through this site....

http://www.geocities.com/ilaiyaragam/index.html

netfriend4u2005

9th February 2006, 01:19 PM

Very uselful for current MD's like Harish Jayaraj, Dina, Imaan , Srikanth Deva, and new comming up MD's.

if anybody is interested in knowing the raagas used by IR ....

go through this site....

http://www.geocities.com/ilaiyaragam/index.html

az_raja_fan

10th February 2006, 05:47 AM

Can anybody help me with the lyrics of Poonkattinode Kilikal from Poomukhappadyyil Ninneum Kaathu ??

kiru

10th February 2006, 08:32 AM

Prabhudas et. al,
Please listen to the Lord of the Rings Audio Book, Episode II. Let me know what that music reminds you of.
This should be available in your local library.

krish244

10th February 2006, 11:46 AM

IR sings for the movie "Madhu". No idea who is the MD.

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news/feb-06-03/09-02-06-ilayaraja.html

thanks,

Krishnan

Vysar

10th February 2006, 10:00 PM

IR is the MD for this foreseeable Flop

http://www.webulagam.com/cinema/cinenews/0602/02/1060202012_1.htm

njv

10th February 2006, 11:50 PM

IR is the MD for this foreseeable Flop

http://www.webulagam.com/cinema/cinenews/0602/02/1060202012_1.htm

dont be rude. give them a chance. now a days movies like this surprise us than big budget movies (like anniyan!)

Vysar

11th February 2006, 12:25 AM

I am not rude just being practical. This movie is actually reminds me of muched hyped "Dhanush" which never got released.

njv

11th February 2006, 02:04 AM

prabhudas

12th February 2006, 11:47 PM

Hi Kiru,
Is this audio book on tape or CD, I tried in my local libarary, there was no CD version , I will try to get hold of the tape version once available, who has scored Music for this anyway?
I read the 7 or 8 series autobiographical account of IR written by Kalyan 9 a kannada lyricist , MD) as narrated by IR in a Kannada magazine , for the first time I read IR mentioning about John Williams and MJ ( yes Michael Jackson)

another Digression, since there are new IR albums recently,
the Kannada movie by Bhavatharini as MD,"Geeya Geeya" has some beautiful melodies , three songs are really very nice one solo song she spoilt by siging herself , but great orchestration , doesn't sound IR' ish, I felt it was a perfect mix of IR/ARR, no shades of YSR at all, I think she should try continuing as MD and quit singing for good.
Prabhudas

njv

13th February 2006, 06:41 PM

13th February 2006, 11:23 PM

Did anyone get to see a clip from the film "Amirdham" on SunTV. It was a clip where Girish Karnad and her daughter meet the hero. The background music for this clip was outstanding. It was real great blend of carnatic and western classical. I did not know who the MD was until I checked the web later. It is Bhavadharini. It was a very commendable effort. I later read the review on Indioaglitz which appreciated the movie and the music. You may want to check it out.

kiru

14th February 2006, 09:08 AM

Prabhudas et. al,
Please listen to the Lord of the Rings Audio Book, Episode II. Let me know what that music reminds you of.
This should be available in your local library.
What is this audio book? dont make us wait. plz break the news
njv,
It is not a big deal. I am referring to the theme music of the BBC Radio version of the Lord of the Rings.
Some IR's music sounds very similar. It probably is not even an inspiration but surely to me it sounds similar.
You should get this in the local library if you are in the US.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0553456539/sr=8-1/qid=1139888129/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-4957496-4458345?%5Fencoding=UTF8
This is a very nice and interesting version of the Lord of the Rings, if you like that genre.

kiru

14th February 2006, 09:14 AM

Hi Kiru,
Is this audio book on tape or CD, I tried in my local libarary, there was no CD version , I will try to get hold of the tape version once available, who has scored Music for this anyway?
I read the 7 or 8 series autobiographical account of IR written by Kalyan 9 a kannada lyricist , MD) as narrated by IR in a Kannada magazine , for the first time I read IR mentioning about John Williams and MJ ( yes Michael Jackson)

What did he say abt them? When u get some time could u plz fill us in.
I think I have read before about IR's appreciation for John Williams. He cannot do BGM without any reference (for that matter, I think, he starts out with a reference in any field, like say, Kannadhasan for lyrics, MSV for tune etc).
References to MJ was in the context of him asking YSR singing like MJ in some particular context, I dont remember. IR does keep abreast of the latest trends, but not as much buying the latest sample CDs :-) . In one movie he has done a complete english song where the mixing is like that of pop music (read, drums at a very high level). He just did not follow this style in tamil, probably, because he thought it would not be acceptable in our cultural milieu.

app_engine

14th February 2006, 10:20 PM

http://dailythanthi.com/cn/cn_home.asp?issuedate=2/14/2006&secid=2

maRupadiyum sentiment ArambichchuttAnga:-(

raja_fan

15th February 2006, 10:25 AM

Vishwa Thulasi

http://www.hindu.com/2006/02/15/stories/2006021516450200.htm

`Gold Remi Award' for music score in the craft category at the 38th Annual World Fest, USA ?!

teja

15th February 2006, 12:07 PM

A Telugu album from IR after a long gap.

Twinkle Twinkle Little Star (Telugu version)
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/27/s/movie_name.8306/

Sadhana Sargam's "Doorana vinipinche" is the best pick.

Choice of singers is pretty good. Most of IR's current favorites find a place... Sadhana Sargam, Shreya Ghosal, Bhavatarini, SPB, Mano.

But it's kinda surprising to see Udit Narayan singing for IR!

krish244

15th February 2006, 02:36 PM

Teja, Udit has already sung the kannada version of "Naan kaanum Ulagam" (movie: Kasi) for IR. It probably is available in musicindiaonline. Also, I think Udit has sung for IR in some old telugu to hindi dubbed movies (chiranjeevi's movies). Its just that he has not sung (Thank God!) for IR in Tamil!

BTW, I saw some promos of TTLS in tamil on SunTV & VijayTV channels. They were showing "Salasalakkum Kaatre" song. IMO, the picturisation (some foriegn girl was the main dancer) was not that good.

thanks,

Krishnan

crvenky

15th February 2006, 03:06 PM

Check here the details for downloading an old interview video of Raja.
www.groups.yahoo.com/groups/maestromagic.

Also visit my new blog here: www.maestromagic.blogspot.com

teja

15th February 2006, 09:39 PM

That's a nice blog Venky.
I really appreciate your efforts in collecting IR's BGMs.

12bums

16th February 2006, 10:41 AM

Raja composes for Cheran's next - Maya Kannadi. considering Panju Arunachalam is the producer, it was expected. But Sify quotes cheran as saying that IR is composing for him for the first time! Did'nt they work together Desiya Geetham?

rooky

16th February 2006, 01:28 PM

Link for the above

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14141917

Ya, me too was wondering about that

app_engine

17th February 2006, 03:12 AM

OK, other than a couple of average projects in TFM (madhu, mAyakkaNNAdi, nAn kadavuL etc.) and MFM (sathyan anthikkAd/Mohanlal combo movie), Raja is probably not signing up (or not getting signed up for) many film assignments...

Considering his ever-strong enthu to create music, though slowly advancing in age but now without much respo w.r.t. kids as all are married and settled, Raja must be into something...if the letters posted on raaja.com is a pointer, he must be seriously considering his next non-film album...(HTNI, NBW, TiS varisaiyil)...

What music do DF'ers want him to do for that project? (Please let's not discuss about funding / marketing etc. Let that be left to experts / professionals whom he can sign up with...and probably work for some initial fixed / further variable kind of compensation)...

Let's just discuss musically what can be suggested to be his next (ad)venture?

My choice:

-a full fledged pure instrumental (fresh melody lines), with 100% artists from TN (preferably budding - may be from music schools / colleges or disabled groups like visually impaired etc. but those who play impeccably...may be even a couple of child prodigies), with many movements that may / may not have pauses in between but support a single overall theme...The main instrument should be piano (IR hasn't given much importance to this grand instrument in his earlier instrumentals...and IMHO, one can listen to just piano alone, with no accompaniment even - for hours repeatedly for years without getting bored) & with some special Raja sangathis...the focus can even be TN country life, but with brilliant piano instrumentals...something like that...they can even plan a silent 45 min. visual to accompany later on DVD...may even have a touching storyline to support...record it in some contemporary studio in Chennai, with 100% real instruments but great acoustics...(may be work with ARR as partner in this regard)...

Please post your imaginations...

vijayr

17th February 2006, 10:12 PM

the topic has already been discussed a little before, check this
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4444&highlight=

app_engine

17th February 2006, 11:15 PM

Thanks for posting the link, vijayr...I remember that thread but was lazy to search...Some good discussion there...

Vysar

18th February 2006, 01:55 AM

This is what I want from IR, along with donating diamond hands for a temple I want him to donate money to Tsunami relief, Cancer relief etc. Also part of the money he earned through Jaya TV telethon to some good welfare projects. So for I can hear more noises than outcome from him.

cry_sandiego

18th February 2006, 02:10 AM

App Engine,

I agree.. Except the last part ..

As i always feel art to be a spontaneous thing.. I might be wrong here.. Once you start polishing it , it's more a science than a Art.. Understand that in today's world, that is not practically possible.. Songs are tuned, rehearsed, arranged and recorded ( some even say today's MD's make sure it sounds good with the bass pronounced even on low end cassette recorder before they release it..) until they think it is good...

Somehow I feel, atleast for me, it loses its pristine quality once you "master" it.... Even IR said in a interview .." Isai enbathu .. manathil irunthu thaana veli varanum.. Thatti thatti podaruthu isai alla ..".. My view is the same..
Art is a natural thing.. some people are born with some talents ( music , dance etc..)..." the american usage " natural " is a perfect way to think abt it..

Once you practise, perfect it , then it loses its majesty.. This is like the sketches that cartoonists do ..on the spot.. spontaneous.

Even though IR also perfects his recording, I think the % of efforts to make it "perfect/master" it are much less compared to other MDs..

Infact i have always wanted to listen to the original Harmonium version of the all the IR tunes.. THough w/o instruments i would love that more than the final recorded version.

My 2 cents

Cheers
MSK

crvenky

18th February 2006, 11:31 AM

I saw the trailor of Amirtham in Jaya TV, music by Bhavaratharini. There are two beautiful songs sung by Maestro. One song called Sri Ranganathan is amazing.

jaiganes

18th February 2006, 01:57 PM

Vysar

18th February 2006, 11:45 PM

I already donated for TIS that is in turn IR and your family fund.

jaiganes

20th February 2006, 10:10 AM

I already donated for TIS that is in turn IR and your family fund.
Good then we will get in touch. :lol:

Vysar

21st February 2006, 03:42 AM

I already donated for TIS that is in turn IR and your family fund.
Good then we will get in touch. :lol:

Not again Mr. Jai(shankar)ganes. Once bitten twice shy. I don't want to donate any more to IR family (i assume ur part of that right).

app_engine

24th February 2006, 08:27 PM

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/02/24/stories/2006022403350600.htm
says:

Viswanath touched the zenith of modesty when he said that he drew all his stories from his observations of the goings on around him. I don't watch TV or films. Nor am I a voracious reader. And if the music in my films has been good it's because of the maestros who worked for me. People refuse to believe that I don't know music. But I have an ear for it," he laughed.

...sankarAbharanam, sAgara sangamam, swAthi muthyam...

njv

28th February 2006, 09:56 AM

Renault

28th February 2006, 07:43 PM

njv

28th February 2006, 10:05 PM

njv,

I guess that One more song is for Parutthiveeran, where I read somewhere that Maesro was suppsedly being paid heavily for just one song.. Kudos for actor Surya and his family for producing Paruthiveeran as I expect this song to be royal.

Paruthiveeran is on hold because the film require "dry/draught" environment and due to recent rain it is green everywhere. So they are creating a set (thanks to KH/Virumaandi who created a set for farm land! and now they are continuing the trend). Paruthiveeran reportedly has very good songs and IR was paid 2 lakhs for 1 song, highest to receive by any singer for 1 song.

genesis

28th February 2006, 10:18 PM

njv

1st March 2006, 12:14 AM

Just add Bhava to the mix.... YSR career as MD will be doomed!!!
YSR is doing good and solid, no going south for atleast a decade.

MrJudge

1st March 2006, 11:22 AM

YSR new album pattiyal released. IR sang one song (Namma Kaatula) and it rocks. Its a slow version of Attamma Therottama with some "copied" beats in it and has some remix of MSV's "aadaludan paadalaikettu". IR rocks. FYI IR is going to sing another song for YSR.

IR's voice is good when he sings for Yuvan, both in Nandha and now Pattiayal. Unfortunately in his own songs, the recording of his voice is so bad with lot of noices. I wonder why he does not even bother to correct it. :(

MrJudge

1st March 2006, 11:26 AM

njv,

I guess that One more song is for Parutthiveeran, where I read somewhere that Maesro was suppsedly being paid heavily for just one song.. Kudos for actor Surya and his family for producing Paruthiveeran as I expect this song to be royal.

I like to hear in the line of Mudhal Mariyathai type of songs from Paruththiveeran, not some synth-based songs came out in BR movies later that killed the nativity. Am I asking too much? :roll:

s_sankarg

2nd March 2006, 09:57 AM

Hi all,

Ilayaraja's New album Madhu going to release by 02-03-2006 (Thursday).

raja_fan

2nd March 2006, 12:30 PM

That is great !
So we can expect this thread to become active again after a looooooooong slumber :)

Vysar

2nd March 2006, 09:13 PM

I hope it turns out to be a better album like ONOK.

Vysar

3rd March 2006, 02:25 AM

Madhu audio released. IR vows to work with new directors. He also claims all the top notch directors worked with him before they became famous.

http://www.dinakaran.com/epaper/2006/mar/03/disp.asp?i=13_6

http://www.dinakaran.com/epaper/2006/mar/03/13_7.jpg

NagaS

3rd March 2006, 08:08 AM

IR is the MD for this guy Ramesh's Next movie also, Its going to be directed by one Bala's assistant, I forgot the name :(

NagaS

rajasaranam

4th March 2006, 12:13 AM

Its time for celebration :D As 'Madhu' is released. I've listened to it around ten times and Raja has delivered his best for this stereotyped 5 songs movie. Three melodies one kuthu song and one western dance no.
View the Audio Cd Cover here
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/9435/madhuaudiocdcover1rj.jpg
1.Dum iruntha Munnaley Vaa.. Is a surprising Dance no. From Raja. Its been along time since we listened to dance compostions with guitar, trumpets, and nice percussion from Raja. Reminds his 80's compostions like Yaee unnaithane...and Ilamai itho itho though its lacking those kind of Heavy orchestration.
2.Intha ulagil... is a soft melody with heavy synth induced music. Preferably Iam getting bored with Raja using synths in all his recent movies. Though the tune and the whole song is pleasent after repeated litenings.
3.Nilavai Sutri... The tune and orchestration again lacks his vintage style. Though the interludes and the rendering by tippu is good.
4.Ketkavillaya... Is a haunting melody again spoilt by synths. Though Raja is coming up with good tunes this is the area where he has to go back to his roots.
5.Immathundu manasu...Is again a surprise from Raja. Better he does more kuthu nos. where he cant use Synths :) The song has some beautiful fusion of WCM and Folk. The interludes are awesome reminding songs like 'Singari sarakku'
My pick of the album is Dum iruntha munnaley vaa and Immathundu manasu for not using synths. :thumbsup:

app_engine

4th March 2006, 03:31 AM

isai mazhai has become isai bOdhai...(according to the cover.jpg that rs posted)...

rajasaranam

4th March 2006, 02:30 PM

I've uploaded some samples from the album:) . Listen to it and Add your comments.
http://files.filefront.com/MadhuSamplesrar/;4836420;;/fileinfo.html

Sanjeevi

4th March 2006, 04:40 PM

Happy to see Raja's next album :D

Sanjeevi

4th March 2006, 04:42 PM

isai mazhai has become isai bOdhai...(according to the cover.jpg that rs posted)...

some times bOdhai is needed :)

njv

4th March 2006, 05:56 PM

heard that IR is going to conduct a "one man show" programme with Lakshman-Shruthi orchestra in Chennai on Apr 23rd in Chennai. It seems he is going to sing all the song and in few cases he is going to play guitar and sing alone.

Any 1 knows anything about it?

popeye11

4th March 2006, 10:33 PM

rajasaranam

4th March 2006, 11:32 PM

18 Downloads and only one comment :shock: :evil: :roll:

inetk

5th March 2006, 10:26 AM

100 vaarthaigal.
http://www.milliblog.blogspot.com/

raja_fan

5th March 2006, 02:01 PM

Madhu..
Nothing impressive on first hearing :(
"Dhum irundhaa.." starts in a promising way, but sucks ultimately.

btw..when will Raja get rid of his age old "chikkku chikku chaa.." kind of chorus ??

rajasaranam

5th March 2006, 02:08 PM

100 varathaigal by karthick :thumbsup: it reflects the same thoughts i had after listening to the album :)
As of now Iam in love with 'Dum iruntha munnalaey vaa...', 'Immathundu manasu' and 'ketkavillaya...'
The guitar in 'Dum..' that follows each and every line the singer sings is awesome...Its interesting to see that even after so many years he is able to come up with such youthful tracks.
And again the trumpet and folk beats usage in 'Immathundu manasu' is clear vintage Raja composition. Barring the lyrics [ufff vaali....] The song is gonna be a rage if the film becomes a hit :?

rajasaranam

5th March 2006, 02:11 PM

btw..when will Raja get rid of his age old "chikkku chikku chaa.." kind of chorus ??
When everybody else will get rid of it :) Listen to 'Ilamai...' from Godfather. ARR uses the same 'Cham chikki chikki chaan chikki chaan....' :wink:

callmeshyam

6th March 2006, 12:13 AM

Karthik's blog was very reflective of this Album. But hey, being an IR fan why would I want to get ahead. This is very much a better album, and some of the melodies are pretty good (though it leaves you with a feel of "I have heard this before"). I instantly liked "Dum Irundha", taking me back to "Ilamai Idho Idho" days. The lyrics seem were teasers like "April Mayile". Peppy song this. The kutthu song is a waste. "Ketka Villaya" and "Nilavai Sutri" are very much likeable. "Indha Ulagil" is pedastrian at the very best. Overall a very much listenable album from IR, though it will not rock the charts.

inetk

7th March 2006, 11:27 AM

With the exception of Immathoondu manasu, the rest of the soundtrack reminded me of IR's My Dear Marthandan. Its that period that I reflect upon when I listen to this soundtrack. And I love the 4 tracks except Indha ulagil - on loop in my iPod.

The only issue is that if we blame S A Rajkumar for not going beyond a la la la music, the same should apply to Raja too I guess. I suppose the new-age successes like ARR, YSR and HJ have spoilt us by trying some new sound in every other album.

rajasaranam

7th March 2006, 06:26 PM

Any Idea about this movie
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/telugu/25/
Teja are you around ?

sureshc

8th March 2006, 10:30 AM

ketkavilaya reminds us of the 80s raja.fantastic orchestration. great to listen. What a change from the modern techno!!
Long live great mastero.

rooky

8th March 2006, 07:00 PM

Kaetkavillaya is the pick of the album.Wonderful orchestration and a typical Raja Melody.

9th March 2006, 02:21 AM

i dont understand some of the comments about the album being disappoinment. Ofcourse everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. In my opinion however this is a raja album after a long long time that I liked upon the vry first hearing. 3 awesome melodies with super orchestration..1 modern song that might appeal to youngsters and a koothu. You cant expect raja to deliver more than this. And all this im saying after just listening the low quality samples in musicindiaonlin.com. IN my view its an awesome album by raja in recent times. Just my 2 cents.

9th March 2006, 02:26 AM

there are some awesome bass lines too but not sure if its synth bass or from a real bass guitar. can the pundits clarify

njv

9th March 2006, 04:32 AM

Madhu = Same tunes with out synth would have taken this album to another level. Nevertheless very good album. Somone here said IR is only accepting selective movies. Hope he does it going forward.

NormalMan

9th March 2006, 11:33 AM

I think KR was not there for part of the album. His irritating synths are missing and I'm glad. Wished he were out during the entire album recording.

Nilavai Chitri --> Kewl jazzy number sans synth. Some sax/trumphets would have elevated it more.

Ketkavillayaa --> Nice violin in the start and boom the synths start off. Nice melody. Good violin arrangements throught. Like the Bachish interlude.

Intha Ulagil --> Holds a lot of resemblence to "Niram Pirithu parthen". My favorite in the album.

Good album from IR overall. Not sure how well it will survive in "soomama simiyala kooli ya ya" kind of songs :-)

raja_fan

9th March 2006, 01:48 PM

Intha Ulagil --> the piano and tune sounds more like "Ullathil ulladhai paesa..." the bit song inside "ponnuku indha maappillayai..." in ONOK

app_engine

9th March 2006, 08:50 PM

http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=244051&disdate=3/9/2006

Raja with MSV, nice picture!

vem

10th March 2006, 12:39 AM

Guys
Someone had mentioned that the movie has a song of the range of Ilamai Idho Idho from Sakalakala Vallavan,

Unfortunately I couldnt find any song of that range.
Nevertheless, it is a decent IR album.

Somehow I get a feeling that IR is not using instruments very freely as he used to in the gold old days. He is somehow fettered to something for sure :) It is not flowing smoothly as in Sakalakala Vallavan.

Anyways, watched the movie Kannukul Nilavu, the songs were gems..... It is good that IR has not disappointed Fasil so far with ONOK songs being so melodious.

He has been a little bit disappointing in AOKK.

I think he doesnt have any big budget movies now. My last hope is NAAN KADAVUL from Bala.

It is sad that all major producers,directors,actors have moved from IR.

vem

10th March 2006, 12:42 AM

Raja Fan

Ponnuku indha song from ONOK is a typical IR song. IR has used the same tune in many films I guess.......

I think chinna zameen movie has a similar tune. I think that tune is commonplace for IR (he changes it a little bit whenever he is not motivated :))

az_raja_fan

10th March 2006, 04:50 AM

Indha Ulagil and Nilavai Chutri are truely classy songs.

Especially in Nilavai Chutri, the tune for the lines "andhanan un meedhu...." transports the listener to a whole another level....

Raja Rajadhan

az_raja_fan

10th March 2006, 05:21 AM

Nilavai Chutri: Fantastic Natabhairavi

Indha Ulagil (same tune as "Vanam namakku Veedhi..." from Anjali): what is the ragam?

NormalMan

11th March 2006, 04:35 AM

Does anybody know about this movie Kelviyin Nayagan. IMDB quotes it as IR's 500th movie and director is Manirathnam

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006137/bio
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274606/

app_engine

11th March 2006, 05:30 AM

http://dailythanthi.com/magazines/veli_cinema.htm

Raja doing a movie called `jail'...

thamizhvaanan

11th March 2006, 12:55 PM

Does anybody know about this movie Kelviyin Nayagan. IMDB quotes it as IR's 500th movie and director is Manirathnam

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006137/bio
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274606/

i think it is an inaccurate data provided in imdb. the source of the data must be the biography entry, which is credited to Ravichandran Annaswamy. plus the biography says IR's real name is Daniel Rajayya, honestly i never knew that IR was a born christian (or is he?).

swathy

11th March 2006, 02:12 PM

Anjali is IR's 500th movie

njv

11th March 2006, 07:19 PM

thamizhvaanan

11th March 2006, 08:17 PM

then did he change it to Gnanadesikan ?.... phew ...he has had quite a few names and no doubt each one of them wud be cherished in music history

Sanjeevi

13th March 2006, 11:52 PM

Anjali is IR's 500th movie

you are wrong. It was 600th movie of IR

az_raja_fan

14th March 2006, 03:11 AM

I am yet to recover from the hallucinations that "Indha Ulagil" from Madhu created. Why is it not up in coolgoose yet??

kiru

16th March 2006, 08:25 AM

Madhu ..not fresh. No song registered in my mind. Technically might be sound, but emotionally it did not ring a bell. To me the tune is important, it has to be fresh. Then comes other things - like chords, fills, counterpoints etc. I am not even particular about different arrangements. Just plain tabla is okay with me.
Yesterday, I managed to catch avathaaram:thenRal vandhu theendum pOthu on SunTV (which otherwise seems to broadcast mostly crap) .Well, that is a song ..that is a masterpiece. Probably one of the best in the last decade by IR. Nothing, even faintly comparable to that, in this album.

krish244

16th March 2006, 07:15 PM

"Immathoondu manasu" is a good fun song with nice orchestration (lots of classic IR touches). Liked the trumpet sound after every line in the charanam! With good picturisation/dance movements, this song may become popular. Although Malathi has sung well, I did not like her overblown voice in few places! - 4.5/5

First interlude of "Indha Ulagil" is a good one...reminds us of old IR! Although this song reminds us of "Niram Pirithu" song...this tune does not match up that tune. However this song will stay in my library because of the music. Especially for the strings magic from the last portion of 2nd charanam! I feel Shalini (is she the pop singer??) has sung it well...only in some places its a little nasal. - 3.5/5

When IR starts "Ketkavillaiya", I got reminded about IR's voice in TIS album. The tune starts very ordinary...but transforms into a better tune. The first interlude is a decent one with a typical IR twist in it! The second interlude is again simple and ok. Is that guitar in the second interlude. Both IR & Manjari has sung well. - 3/5

I have a strong feeling that I have heard the starting music of "Nilavai Chutri" (is the music inspired from one of the songs by "Barbie girl" singer?) . Again the tune sounds a bit ordinary. IR is back to synth stuff in the interludes. The flute kind of sound sounds good in the 2nd interlude. Sung well by Tippu. - 1.5/5

"Dum Irundha" starts well and is catchy, but I doubt if it will keep up with the current trend! I dont like the way the tune changes when they sing "Eri Erangi nee poga"...heard quite a lot like that from IR. Song pace itself keeps Eri Erangify like that in portions! Guitar insertions are good. Sung well by the singers. - 3/5.

On the whole an ok effort. I will treasure the first two songs from this album. Good thing is, the synth usage has gone down.

BTW, I heard it in good quality mp3's. My colleagues had it.

thanks,

Krishnan

sudhakarg

16th March 2006, 07:34 PM

kiru,

avatharam was a masterpiece from IR which almost went unnoticed at that time. Other gems from that film were:

1. aridharatha poosi kolla aasai
2. chandhirarum sooriyarum

Even the song "oru kundu maNi kulunguthadi" was fresh with typical "grAmiya maNam".

Its indeed a mystery why IR has resorted to synth stuff !!

multinamatheyan

16th March 2006, 09:55 PM

avatharam is indeed a masterpiece - the music and the movie.

The way 'thendral vanthu theendum pothu' is picturised is also classic stuff. I think that song picturisation influenced the lyrics and picturisation of Maniratnam/Vairamuthu's 'pachchai nirame'

I watched 'athu oru kanaa kalam' on DVD last weekend and loved it. Raja has ruled the roost all along the movie. Especially the song, 'kaattu vazhi kaal nadaya'.

....later

16th March 2006, 10:58 PM

Sometimes we miss celebrating IR songs when they come out. A recent example is songs from the movie "Karagattakari". 5 of the 6 songs are very good.

Th best song is "Enga Ooru Laila". Infact, when you see many of the MDs strain to give fast paced songs ( recent examples in Adhi), you have to listen to this song to feel how IR can create such songs with such ease and mastery

az_raja_fan

17th March 2006, 04:28 AM

Krish and Kiru: Maybe listening too much ARR and Harris have confused your hearing senses. If Indha Ulagil is not a good song, I don't know what is!

cry_sandiego

17th March 2006, 06:55 AM

Kr,

I did not like karagattakari in the first listen..and set aside the CD for a while ..I picked it up this week and liked 2 -3 songs very much ..My pick is sada maada petchukellam sari pattu... Amazing melody and such a smooth flow.. I did not recognize the female singer on this .. Manjari or Mahathi...someone like that.. not bad..

Enga Ooru Laila is OK, but did not think it was that fast paced.. compare to Aattamaa Therottamma, Maala Karukalile from Enga ooru Kaavakaran ( P.Suseela )..

Cheers
MSK

jaiganes

17th March 2006, 01:17 PM

Add one more to good songs list in Karagaattakaari. That is "Kotti Vecha Muthae". The only blemish in the song is the lack of SJanaki. Put her in and you have a great song. Simple, melancholic and beautiful.

thumburu

17th March 2006, 03:11 PM

"Enga ooru laila laila" may not be a typical fast number, but a nice catchy, peppy tune in the forgotten scale by many MDs ie MMG.

umaramesh

18th March 2006, 12:02 PM

Hi
IR magic is somehow missing in recent albums.

Chidambarathi oru appaswamay/Athu oru kanakalam/Kasturi Maan/Madhu. Frankly not IR standard.

As pointed out by Kiru , first tune should catch our mind.

ramesh

Renault

18th March 2006, 03:43 PM

Umaramesh,

I may like to take an exception.

1. All songs in Athu Oru were good (including Unnaley Thookkam kettu pochhu) and Andha Naal Nyaabagam is a beauty. It is sad that the movie was a wash-out and hence the songs were never popular. May be people's taste have become crappier than it was ever before as Thayir Saadham and Vadu Maanga songs (courtesy perarusu) became chart-busters.. God Save Music Lovers!!!

2. Kasthuri Maan didn't have proper publicity. Songs were not too great...agreed and Madan in his thirai paarvai rightly pointed Raja's mistake.. he should have convinced Lohit das to have just 2-3 songs in the movie as the movie's strength is its screenplay. Still Kekkalayo is a good song. But it should have sung by a quality singer like SPB or a Mano at least.

3. Chidambarathil actually did better than any of those released movies in the list.. 50 day run in theatres and a Jaya TV telecast.. paisa vasool for Thangar. Nalla Vaazhvu and Ponna Porantha are haunting melodies from the Maestro.

Haven't listened to Msdhu yet.

But Ilayaraja fans may actually see even better songs considering his films pipeline:

1. Aadum Koothu (Cheran)
2. Maaya Kannadi (Cheran)
3. Naan Kadavul (Bala, Ajith).. this could be ultimate.. watch out..Crapalbums like tirupati are seeling like hot cakes among Ajit fans.. Ilayaraja's music will get back it's publicity through the so-called "Thala" fans when the album gets released.

njv

18th March 2006, 09:24 PM

1. Aadum Koothu (Cheran)
2. Maaya Kannadi (Cheran)
3. Naan Kadavul (Bala, Ajith).. this could be ultimate.. watch out..Crapalbums like tirupati are seeling like hot cakes among Ajit fans.. Ilayaraja's music will get back it's publicity through the so-called "Thala" fans when the album gets released.
:thumbsup:

rooky

19th March 2006, 10:44 PM

IR indeed is the MD of pachakuthira

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/article/20769.html

s, the malayalam one :)

umaramesh

20th March 2006, 11:06 AM

Hi Renalut

Thanks for the reply. I think director like cheran and bala can bring best out of IR.

May be people's taste have become crappier than it was ever before as Thayir Saadham and Vadu Maanga songs (courtesy perarusu) became chart-busters.. God Save Music Lovers

You are right. I heard songs from TIRUPATHI. Most of the songs are like this. Who know this might be super hit when film get released.

ramesh

Vysar

23rd March 2006, 01:55 AM

IR paid money to score 1993 symphony not by invitation claim two retired professors. They allege that IR cheated everyone by hiding the truth. Read details here:

http://www.dinakaran.com/epaper/2006/mar/23/disp.asp?i=13_5

multinamatheyan

23rd March 2006, 02:24 AM

This is not new.

I wrote to RPO sometime in 1995 (or may be late 1994) inquiring about how Raja was chosen to perform the symphony and when it will be released.

They wrote back saying 'Raja approached us' - They did not mention anything about money transfers.

They also said Raja owns the copyrights of the recordings so it is upto him to release it.

The letter also had some high praise for Raja as a musician and some vague description of the music he recorded at RPO as being western classical with a heavy influence of Indian rythms. I forget the details now.

So these two learned people are too late:-)

As for the claim of there being no music form as Symphonic oratorio, they me be right. I know nothing about this sort of stuff.

However, if they are right, I would propose that history should rightfully record that one Mr. Illayaraja from Tamil Nadu, was the first one to define and use the musical form 'Symphonic-oratorio' :-)

....later

vijayr

23rd March 2006, 03:08 AM

the news about RPO symphony#1 is surprising. I didnt know about that. what else surprise is in store?

NormalMan

23rd March 2006, 04:18 AM

I feel is a couple of loosers who are trying to vent out their stomach burns. Let these 2 pay money and get invitation from RPH and compose a "theorotical" symphony. Let's see if the output better that their farting :-)

raja_fan

23rd March 2006, 08:46 AM

Hello,

I request all to note the newspaper in which that news has come ! It is the new 1 Re newspaper from the SUN family.

Then decide whether the news value is any better than the crap what we hear everyday in SUN TV or Jaya TV. Also, apparently we all know that IR does not enjoy good relationships with MK and his family nowadays.

rajdes

23rd March 2006, 11:28 AM

vijayr, the news about RPO symphony - is it really "news"? Or "gossip"? or "stomach burn syndrome"? or "unfounded allegation"? or "proven allegation"?
Or are you going to explain that the very fact that the question has arise is proof that there is something fishy?

Okay, let me throw in a few unfounded allegations - Kakkai Siraginilae was written by Kannan, that celebrated assistant of Subramania Bharathy, later appropriated by Bharathiyaar as his own creation.
Kannadasan falsely claimed credit for Arthamulla Hindu Madham when really, it was Panchu Arunachalam who wrote it.

It was actually Santosh Sivan who directed Roja but he owed a few crores to Manirathnam and GV at that time so he gave up the credit.

Wait till these allegations spread and some website eventually reproduces it and I will reproduce that link here to prove my allegations.
So much for 'unbiasedness'(heck there is no such word but it suits my purpose here) and objectiveness

raja_fan

23rd March 2006, 12:38 PM

Scale

23rd March 2006, 12:59 PM

:shock: Is this the reason why isnt released yet?

[quote="rajdes"]vijayr, the news about RPO symphony - is it really "news"? Or "gossip"? or "stomach burn syndrome"? or "unfounded allegation"? or "proven allegation"?[quote]

:roll: Hope the truth unfolds soon.

vijayr

23rd March 2006, 09:11 PM

"Or are you going to explain that the very fact that the question has arise is proof that there is something fishy? "

rajdes, why should I explain anything?
I dont understand your outburst yet again. I am a reader,and I was just responding to both the news in the link as well as multinamatheyan's post(he kind of endorsed what was there in the link based on the personal reply he received and is a reliable poster here).I just said it was a "surprising news" thats all. The rest is all your imagination. I havent made any accusation or allegation myself nor have I said something is fishy. You seem to be putting words in my mouth everytime.It has appeared in a newspaper, so technically yes its indeed a "news" piece at this point and a surprising one at that.Do I have to investigate and find all the details before even expressing surprise at the news item? I understand that you are frustrated that IR managed to land his name in a few controversies one after another.But your anger seems to be a tad misguided here. As for "unbiasedness" or objectiveness, what has that got to do with this? I never claimed anywhere that I was a symbol of objectivity anyways.Again, as assumption on your part.

vijayr

23rd March 2006, 09:13 PM

and like everyone else, I am hoping that this is a false news item, although the fact that RPO themselves had replied to multi about "Raja approaching them" makes it a little ambiguous.

njv

23rd March 2006, 10:59 PM

njv

23rd March 2006, 11:02 PM

and multinamatheyan post ...
yes IR approached. whats the problem. this is very well known. he wanted to score symphony and approached RPO and the rest is history. IR actually DOES NOT own the copyright. Another "leading" music company owns them. IR in general owns the exclusive copyright for his music. For e.g. as a creator of the music, he is free enough to use the music at any place he want to use, including but not limited to, orchestra, public / private performance, his film music, as bgm for film etc. This "leading" company didnt agree for IR's term and is the reason why they never came to an agreement and hence not released officially.

"Niraikudam Thathumbaathu" - IR is keeping quite because he is "beyond this crap"

njv

23rd March 2006, 11:07 PM

Hello !!,

1. RPL is the favourite symphony orchestra of the British Royal family and is patroned by the family, especially the queen. Are they begging for some Ilaiyaraja from TamilNadu to give them MONEY to fill their stomcah !! ?? What nonsense allegations !!?? Sonnaaalum nambumpadiyaa sollanum.

2. Are the musicians of RPL all idiots to sit for hours and rehearse in front of an Indian for Money ??

3. How much money can IR give to RPL ? He himself was in financial toruble before few years.

4. Why did not any other music director in India or Asia try this if it is so easy ??

raja_fan

#1. Its simple. The entire country is so corrupted and you can blame anyone or any organization as corrupt and we corrupt indians will believe it.

So the most corrupt family giving free stuff to create record sales, be it kungumam or dinakaran, is trying to fill in some pages and the corrupt indian mind will believe it (For those who dont agree that it is the most corrupt/criminal movie, watch Swadesi. The scene where the "villian" remove the mask of CM to let him die is nothing but the death of Annadurai. It all came in papers (and unfortunately we didnt had the internet to carry it along many masses).)

#2. PPl who read this 1 Rs paper will believe so

#3. There will be another article that will say "IR got money by cheating this producer blah blah blah"

#4. Even if you bribe, you need to posses talent and quality. So they would finally post another news some other day that IR is the first and only indian to score symphony.

poor readers - news papers - all over the world - is just a s h i t.

multinamatheyan

23rd March 2006, 11:50 PM

The way I understood the letter that was sent me by RPO was like this:

IR approached RPO with a proposal. The RPO liked the idea and agreed to attach their name to the product.

If the music Raja presented them with was not upto the mark, then they would have declined Raja's proposal.

Like someone said here, RPO is not going to tarnish it's name and reputation for a few lousy rupees.

I know of idiots in Toronto who say that Maniratnam movies are invited to the Toronto film festival because he pays them money. If it is that easy, then we will definitely have Simbu movies palying at festivals around the world.

I just pointed out that these two 'learned gentlemen' did not find out any himalayan truth - it was known already.

Now release the music gosh darn it :evil:

vijayr

24th March 2006, 03:00 AM

"I just pointed out that these two 'learned gentlemen' did not find out any himalayan truth - it was known already. "

I didnt know that IR approached RPO, the story we have heard was that Sony informed RPO about IR, they listened to HTNI/NBW and they invited him to do it. Thats how it has been so far.Thats why it came a s a surprise. But those 2 guys have also added the money factor to it, which is certainly not known already like you say and which might be entirely their own BS at this point.

rajasaranam

24th March 2006, 01:53 PM

hmmm This seems interesting :?
Infact RPO can be hired it seems from this page :shock:
https://www.rpo.co.uk/concert_promoters_html.asp
I too had the same illussion that Raja was approached by RPO for conducting a Symphony for them. Though the news and the website information shatters that. Iam happy to see that Johnscott the conductor/composer have high esteem for Raja and his first symphony conducted at RPO.
http://webhome.idirect.com/~rlevy/current_question.html
http://www.raaja.com/Rv-John%20Scott.pdf
'Kozhi Kuruda iruntha enna nondiya iruntha enna Kozhambu Rusiyaa iruntha podhum' :)
Raja Approach pannara illa RPO approach pannangalandrathu thevai illai. The composed symphony was pathbreaking and innovative is the words from the mouth of the conductor thats enough for me.

vijayr

24th March 2006, 08:59 PM

I think it is probably like the Hungarian orchestra playing for TIS. The artistes are compensated after the recording is booked in advance.

Sanjeevi

24th March 2006, 10:13 PM

app_engine

24th March 2006, 10:27 PM

The following are based on an old vikatan article, on RPO symphony:

1. IR wanted to 'CONDUCT' a symphony (like Zubin Mehta) and approached RPO.

2. To ascertain his calibre, a team was sent by them to Chennai (probably included John Scott, I don't know the exact names) to watch IR conducting.

3. They were so much impressed by his COMPOSING (nothing written about his conducting skills), that there was a proposal to compose a symphony which can be recorded in London later on.

4. IR enthusiastically carried out the job in the shortest possible time.

Well, symphonic orchestra can definitely be hired (RPO no exception). There's nothing wrong in it. What's wrong if IR had funded it? No reliable news item at the time of composing / recording of the RPO symphony claimed that it was initiated by someone other than IR...it DID got initiated by IR!

EdhO pudhiya kaNdupidippu mAdhiri ippO reNdu pEr kiLambi irukkAnga...mAna nashta vazhakkAm...ivangaLukku enna mAnam nashtam Achchu...ini mEl definite'A Agum enbadhu thAn uNmai..

vijayr

24th March 2006, 11:03 PM

[tscii:74d8645136]I dont think IR wanted to conduct a symphony.

I got these posts from old TFM threads which had discussion probably at that time around the non-release. Article from Hindu with Q&A of IR has been posted, where he claims that it was Pyramind who approached RPO&IR and RPO in turn checked him out . Mike Townsend's version seems to contradict IR's interview a little bit. He says IR wanted to compose a symphony and approached RPO.Looks like there were 2 different views even at that time. But the bottomline is, they still checked his credentials out, before extending the invite, whether he paid money or not.

# From: Raja Fan (@ ) on: Tue Jan 7 05:35:58 EST 2003

Article from "THE HINDU - International Edition" September 4, 1993
A SYMPHONY OF SUCCESS

With 3,500-odd songs in 650 films, Ilayaraja now occupies an unrivalled No. 1 spot in Tamil cinema. The ace music director added yet another feather to his cap recently by writing a Western symphony and having it played by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, London, thus becoming
the first composer from Asia to do so. How did it all come about?
If genius is one per cent inspiration and 99 per cent perspiration, the man who has lived up to it to achieve international fame and fortune through music is Ilayaraja whose name is now synonymous with success in the Tamil film industry. From the obscure village of Pannaipuram in Madurai district, where he was born on June 2, 1943, to the pinnacle in the world of music -- writing a symphony and having it played by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, London, recently – it has been for him an arduous climb uphill through adversity. From setting tunes to his brother Pavalar Varadarajan's songs for stage plays to an unrivalled No. 1 spot in Tamil film music and then on to the latest distinction, Ilayaraja has indeed come a long way. Until 'Annakili' (1976) catapulted him to fame, it was no path of roses for him after he came to Madras in 1968 with his two younger brothers, Bhasker and Gangai Amaran, to try his luck in films. But after 'Annakili' it was accolades all the way. Ilayaraja attributes it all to the mercy of God. Recently he talked to The Hindu. Excerpts:
Q: How did you get the offer to write a symphony?
Pyramid International, a recording company based in London, asked me whether I would be interested in writing a symphony. Writing a symphony needs much concentration. I said, "If I agree to write a symphony, how do you propose to market it? The people there who listen to classical music do not know about me. How do you make it possible for them to hear my music?" They said, You leave that part to us." Only then did I agree to it.
That made them get in touch with several orchestras and eventually they chose the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra (RPO), considered the best in the world, which plays only great Western classical composers.
The RPO people said that they did not know about me. They said that I might be a very good composer, but what about my caliber in Western classical music? So complete details about me were sent to them. My two discs, 'Nothing but Wind' and 'How to name it,' were sent. That convinced them of my capability to write a symphony.
Q: So you started writing the symphony?
No. I asked for a co-ordinator. They sent Michael Townsend. He can conduct, arrange. He is a one-man army as far as music is concerned. He came and saw me work in films. He said, 'When you were writing the score, you did not struggle for any ideas. You did not take your pen off the script before finishing it. I have never seen such a composer before. Your dedication is remarkable.' When he saw the re-recorded film, he was moved. He was really stunned to by the synchronisation of the music with the film. He told the RPO that this time they were going to record the work of a composer who was different.
Q: So you agreed to write the symphony for the RPO?
Yes. They laid certain conditions. The foremost was that I must send the score at least three months in advance. I accepted, but my film commitments made me give the score only a month before the recording. In fact, I gave the last piece only 12 days before the recording.
But when the recording was over in London, all the musicians broke into a standing ovation. They started tapping the floor with their feet. I was thrilled and thanked the Almighty for giving me this opportunity to write a symphony and have it recorded.

Q: What exactly is a symphony?
It is a form of orchestration. We have in our system of music different elements -- geetam, swarajathi, varnam, keerthanam. Film music is also a form, something like keerathanam with pallavi, anupallavi, and charanam. Symphony, which has three main elements, is a form too. What I do in films is also a kind of symphony. For a full-fledged orchestra, symphony is the mainstay.
Q: How did you feel when every member of the RPO congratulated you?
He (God) made it happen. It was unbelievable. There are thousands of people who are practising or composing music. But who got the chance? Who selected me? I did not do anything. He (God) selected me. I prayed to God in gratitude that He made me do it.
Q: What do you think of the computer music coming up in a big way in films?
Conductor John Scott also asked me about computer music. He has a computer and I too have one. Scott and I went to a bookstall and bought some books. To total the prices of the books, the store staff started searching for the calculator. But I calculated the total and told them before the
calculator could do it. They asked me how I was able to do it. If you do not know arithmetical calculations, then you need a calculator.
This is how I explain computer music. Anybody can buy a computer and make it play 'C' major. Anyone can compose music easily with a computer. But this is for the laymen. If you have the skill you do not need a computer ... In computer music, after a few songs, one gets fed up because the computer can give only certain variations as programmed. You will never get anything new in moods or emotions.
Q: What are your 'bests' in films?
The moment I can say that this is my best song or best music in films, I will stop giving music. I still do not know what music really is and I am trying hard to comprehend it. Once I know it, I will have my fulfilment and I will stop doing what I am doing now.
Q: Six hundred and fifty films in 17 years, 3500-odd songs. If you still say you have not done anything, then ...
For you, I am Ilayaraja. But for me, "Who am I?" I have not even started tuning my instrument properly. Then I must synchronise the tampura with the sruti, next practice it, and last comes the singing.

Q: How many days did you take to write the symphony?
One month. Some eminent composers have taken three to 14 years. Some others just three days.
Q: It seems that Pandit Ravishanker and L. Subramanyam have also done a symphony and that was also recorded in London.
I do not know whether they have recorded a symphony or not. But the RPO's programme executive, Ian Maclay, wrote to me mentioning that I was the first composer from whole of Asia to write a symphony.
Q: Have you named the symphony?
No. Scott told me that he could name it 'Fantasy.' I said it was not fantasy. I have a couple of names in mind, but I have not decided on it.
Q: Did any of the Carnatic music exponents congratulate you on your achievement?
T. V. Gopalakrishnan, Mandolin Srinivas were there to receive me at the airport. The 'Bhishma' of Carnatic music, Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer, came to my place twice to congratulate me.
Q: What do you plan to do after this?
Nothing is in my hands. We plan so many things. But can anyone predict what will happen? So I do not plan. Whatever comes, take it in your stride. If you aim at something and do not get it, you feel dejected ... He (God) is planning in His own way.
Q: Does the Carnatic base help you in your chosen field?
Carnatic music and Western classical music are two different cultures, though the sounds are the same. The difference between the two systems is: one is like living with the people and the other like living alone. Carnatic music is like living in solitude and doing meditation like our sages. Western music needs harmony, counterpoints and many accompaniments. It is like living with
people.

Q: From Pannaipuram to films -- do you think you have achieved what you wanted?
No. I do not think of anything as my achievement. Today's record may be betterd tomorrow.
[S. R. Ashok Kumar]

# From: Raja Fan (@ ) on: Tue Jan 7 05:38:09 EST 2003

Michael N Townend
Maestro Ilaiyaraaja: A Very Special Talent from Madras

MICHAEL N TOWNEND was the Orchestration Adviser and Music Producer for the Symphony project with the RPO. An eminent composer, orchestrator and arranger, he works in a wide spectrum of music from Jazz, Pop, and Classical to films and TV serials. As music co-ordinator for this project, he first visited Madras in February 1993 for initial discussions with Ilaiyaraaja. He shares his experience in this article which was published in the 1993 Autumn News Letter of the Association of Professional Composers (APC), London.

Earlier this year I was fortunate enough to be invited to visit Madras as the guest of an Indian composer who is known-very well known as I later discovered- simply as ILAIYARAAJA. The reason for my visit was that enquiries had been made on the Maestro’s behalf to various bodies, organisations, orchestral management and associations (including our own APC) to investigate the possibility of arranging a recording here in Britain of a new work that he was intending to write. He wished, in fact, to extend his already prodigious output in a more positively artistic and perhaps, intellectually demanding manner by composing and recording a Symphony, in the hope that in this way, his considerable musical talents would reach a wider and more international audience.

In the event, the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra had been selected to record his symphony, and my involvement as that of adviser on matters such as modern conventions in orchestration and recording procedures since I had been working closely with the RPO for some time previously. The Maestro wished me to advise him on matters such as the various strengths or weaknesses of the orchestra, and how best to write for such combinations, and in what form he should write to achieve the best results. It transpired that he had an incredibly busy schedule, which was why he requested that I visit him, rather than he visit us here in the UK.

Now, before the beginning of this year I had not, I have to confess, heard of neither Maestro Ilaiyaraaja nor any of his music. So it was with considerable curiosity (and perhaps even a mild degree of skeptical disbelief) that I listened to the CD titled “How To Name It?” which was handed to me by way of preparation for my visit to Madras.

My initial impressions on hearing this album were that the composer was clearly both talented, and well versed in many different musical traditions from all ends of the musical spectrum. There were strong influences from Bach particularly, and Mozart, and other composers from both Baroque and Classical periods of Western music, but also, quite properly as one would expect, influences from his own rich musical heritage with many complex and interesting rhythmic patterns and the use of ethnic scales, modes, stylistic devices, ornamentations and inflexions. This diversity and his fluency in using and combining such influences was very obviously one of his major strengths.

Thus prepared, I went to Madras with considerable respect for this man, but still retaining a degree of skepticism for what I suspected were the more extravagant claims for the magnitude of his output. Although I was aware of the scale of the film industry in India, I was still unprepared for the scene in Madras - particularly when compared to the sad decline of our own film industry here in Britain.

Meeting the Maestro at the film studious AVM where he has worked for many years with enormous successes, I was greeted by this quiet, gentle and kind man, who, with good reason, is held in semi-reverence by those around him, yet who was prepared to take time out from his busy schedule scoring for films to meet me and consult with me about matters relating to the planning and necessary preparations for the writing and recording of his first symphony.

The first eye-opener for me was learning that this particular composer was so popular with the film-going audiences in Southern India (whose enthusiastic appetite for the cinema equals only their love of cricket) that his photograph appears on the posters, billboards and advertising for the film - as large as the photos of the actors whose popularity and status he rivals. Apparently, his name attached to a film (and his picture on the publicity) guarantees the film producer at least five additional weeks retention in the cinemas. The public adores him, and as such, producers are constantly beating a path to his door; he can and does command as high a fee as he considers a film producer’s budget can stand - and he gets it.

I tried to describe for him the difference in the situation over here or in America; how many of the general public know or even care who wrote the music for most of our films, let alone would recognize and appreciate the composer’s picture on the billboards? I would imagine quite a few people would have heard of John Williams, but would they know what he looks like?

Naturally this pre-eminence in the industry allows Ilaiyaraaja great freedom, both artistically, in terms of the style of music and the instrumentation that he may choose to employ and the artists, but also editorially. What do I mean? Well this was my next eye-opener; the producer or director doesn’t tell the Maestro which music cues he will require, nor does he decide where they will begin or end, or what mood he wishes the music to help create or reinforce - the Maestro tells him!

This revolutionary approach certainly has one very positive effect, which is easily and instantly appreciated; there is much less time wasted in the early stages of planning and pre-production, and less hassle for the composer, who is not therefore subjected to delays while re-shoots or re-cut versions are prepared, nor made to suffer the criticisms and indecision of a “committee” of opinions.

My latent skepticism on being told that Ilaiyaraaja had scored the music for 700 films in 17 years all but vanished when I arrived at the film studios to observe him working on a new film from the outset. My awe and admiration for him increased when I realised that without the aid of lists of music cues, a music editor or even a stopwatch, the Maestro was able to compose accurately a piece for a particular film cue which fitted exactly not only the required timing but also the mood and pace of the action on the screen, heightening the tension if it was a fight scene, or enhancing with beautiful lyrical melodies the romantic mood of a love scene, or just adding spontaneously joyous excitement rhythmically to a dance scene.

Having written this piece in a form of short score - part Western notation and part Tamil - with full instructions for the orchestration, the players clustered round him proceeded to write their own parts out, and immediately sit down to record this piece. This practice itself accounts for the speed at which a film score can be completed (just two and a half days was his record) but this in no way diminishes the achievements of the composer, who brings such natural and intuitive talent to his work.

Although he says of himself that the music comes from God and he is merely the conduit for its transmission, it must be said that without his incredible ability to absorb influences and use them to such good effect, combined with his innate musical skills and finely-tuned ear, God might perhaps have sought a different channel of musical communication. As it is, all of India, not merely the South, must feel very proud of its native composer who has achieved so much for films and now in the wider sphere of recorded music.

The recordings with the RPO were extremely successful. The music contained so many beautiful melodies and exciting moments, and was found to be quite challenging by the orchestra, who were naturally unfamiliar with the Maestro’s style at first, but who soon became adept at its interpretation.

Many were expecting the music to display a more obviously “Indian” flavor, but since I was aware that Ilaiyaraaja had set himself the task of reaching the widest possible international audience and did not wish his work to be heard in the context of a “novelty item” or a fusion of East and West in ways which have already been explored, I was not surprised by the accessibility of the music to Western ears. Nevertheless, Indian influences there are in abundance in the way in which he has used rhythms, and certain stylistic and ornamentational devices, and I for one am glad that these are present in this his first symphony.

It is truly a very accessible piece of music and one, which I hope, will be played and enjoyed throughout the world. I was very proud to have been involved both as an orchestration adviser, and as music producer to this project from the very beginning; from the moment that I first heard the exciting music of Maestro Ilaiyaraaja back in January 93. I hope our association will continue long into the future.

Mike Townend lives in Rickmansworth with his wife Gill, a professional Music Copyist.
44 Eastwick Crescent, Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire WD3 2YJ England

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multinamatheyan

24th March 2006, 11:04 PM

app engine,

inime akirathukkukooda stock irukanume! illaatha maanam eppadi nashtam akum? :wink:

Anyway, I think V and V got some name recognition out of this. aduththa therthalla ninnaalum aacharyapaduraththukku illai. :lol:

rajasaranam

25th March 2006, 12:21 AM

vijayr,
Pyramid interantional wanted IR to write a symphony. They Approached IR. IR sent his NBW and HTNI Cd's and asked for a coordinator. Michael townsend came down to chennai after listening to HTNI and approved of IR. and The symphony recording happened.
Where are the contradicting views in these :?: If any they should be your imagination :)

vijayr

25th March 2006, 01:09 AM

rajsaranam, I thought there was a slight difference between Pyramid asking IR to compose(who probably had'nt even thought about it until then) and then finding the right orchestra who would allow them to do it vs IR being interested on his own to compose a symphony and requesting Pyramid to enquire about orchestras on his behalf. Townsend says that IR wanted to expand his body of work by writing a symphony and enquiries were made on his behalf to several organizations/orchestras. IR says "God selected him" out of several aspiring composers to do this, while he "didnt do anything".
Plus the Vikatan version seems to be different too.

MrJudge

25th March 2006, 09:32 AM

1 Rs newspaper - do you expect anything reasonable or truth there, specially coming from MK family. You got to be kidding. They start rumour like this just to get their pictures on the news paper. I would honestly use this paper to clean up my dog's ****.

Now kumudam "reporter" has come up with big headlines saying the same story. what's you say about kumudam mag? Just curious.

I think you can go for Dinamalar for cleaning your dog's ****, because they say sunday-nna rendu, useful when your dog has bad days. :wink:

NormalMan

25th March 2006, 12:06 PM

MrJudge

25th March 2006, 01:37 PM

krish244

25th March 2006, 04:14 PM

Here is a news posted by Observer_Is_Back in a new thread "IR scoring Varma's Shiva-redux".

"""" http://d.indiafm.com/videos/ram/06/shivapromo150.ram

Watch out for the credits at the end. This re-teaming was hinted at at the commencement of the movie, but I was skeptical. Here's proof positive.

First reactions: The movie itself appears to be a tiresome reiteration of Varma-tropes, but it should be interesting to hear the veteran composer's work in this context, especially after the very high-calibre scores by the Chowtas and Mohiles for the Factory. Will the maestro sound dated, or will he out-maneuver the digital brigade? Though the sound in that promo is atrocious, it still offers hope for the latter possibility. """"

better quality file...but I guess only picture is better....sound is still not good.

http://d.indiafm.com/videos/rm/06/shivapromo220.rm

Thanks,

Krishnan

njv

25th March 2006, 09:12 PM

Here is a news posted by Observer_Is_Back in a new thread "IR scoring Varma's Shiva-redux".

"""" http://d.indiafm.com/videos/ram/06/shivapromo150.ram

krish24

this movie hs got nothing to do with shiva-redux starring nagarjun. this is rgv's 2nd attempt of hindi movie james. he feels that james wasnt directed properly, so he is redirecting the same movie again.

NormalMan

26th March 2006, 12:31 AM

I can see IR in the bgm score. Not sure if the movie will have any songs.

krish244

26th March 2006, 02:36 PM

njv, as far as I have read news from the internet this movie will be on similar lines of Shiva. In this case the difference being a police inspector taking on the goondas (in original "Shiva" it was a college student!). I have also read somewhere that idea of remaking "James" was not on cards although it was rumoured. Anyway, what I am glad is that IR is scoring for this RGV directed movie.

thanks

Krishnan

jaiganes

26th March 2006, 03:24 PM

Jus listening to Madhu after hearing VV and Jerry in one go. I must say that IR's soothing style still leaves a mark. The music is not cocky, not arrogant (though there are some who sayhe is!!). I liked "Indha Ulagil" and " "Nilavai chutri". There is a grace in both these songs which is so much Balu Mahendraish(curious as to how it is picturised? probably montage shots of a couple travelling, walking and having coffee in VGP??). the start to "Ketkavillaya" is so lilting. I must say IR must be singing this ... "Indha Ulagil naan irundhaalum enadhu ulagam veru" and I second that his "body of work" is still "out of the world!".
PS: those frilled flutes that switch on and off like the rhythm of wings of a mynah flying from one tree to another Who said that you can't create rhythm in flutes and need a percussion instrument? Also the soft drum beats(they dont land with a bang and my ears thank IR for that) in the songs are trademark and vintage IR.
spl mention on lyrics: "Saerndhu paadum mouna geethangal"! Sure shot montage song!

thamizhvaanan

26th March 2006, 04:40 PM

PS: those frilled flutes that switch on and off like the rhythm of wings of a mynah flying from one tree to another Who said that you can't create rhythm in flutes and need a percussion instrument? Also the soft drum beats(they dont land with a bang and my ears thank IR for that) in the songs are trademark and vintage IR.

yeah!!! napolean is no mug with the flute

abbydoss1969

26th March 2006, 07:17 PM

MrJudge --> for bad days I use Dinakaran and Tamil Murasu ;-)

Serious guys, how can someone sell a newspaper for Rs.1
All the black of MK and looters becoming white. A year back these guys were giving out 1/2 KG atta for buying a Rs.5 magazine. A crook sure has 1000 innovative waye ..... God save my land .....

Deccan Herald is doing it , Indian Express is doing it for 1.50rs.And Times of india did it in Bangalore ,It is normal business war in capturing maximum viewership.
Kalanidhi maran, was recently listed as no17th in the most powerful people of india by India Today magazine. His tv channel stands no 1 in all the four southern states.His business acumen should be appreciated.a great example of entrepreneurship.
Instead some morons keep trying to belittle his achievements, because of their antipathy to MK politics.
If Mk influence is the deciding factor all his media ventures would have as much viewership as "murasoli" or "Namdu Mgr" only

MrJudge

27th March 2006, 08:30 AM

Deccan Herald is doing it , Indian Express is doing it for 1.50rs.And Times of india did it in Bangalore ,It is normal business war in capturing maximum viewership.
Kalanidhi maran, was recently listed as no17th in the most powerful people of india by India Today magazine. His tv channel stands no 1 in all the four southern states.His business acumen should be appreciated.a great example of entrepreneurship.
Instead some morons keep trying to belittle his achievements, because of their antipathy to MK politics.
If Mk influence is the deciding factor all his media ventures would have as much viewership as "murasoli" or "Namdu Mgr" only

Exactly my thoughts. I don't like MK (or JJ) and I don't associate Sun tv success with him but lot of MK-haters do the opposite. Even before they launched sun tv, they were doing a video magazine and trying something different apart from the crowd. That is the vision required for any enterprenuer to succeed.

NormalMan

27th March 2006, 09:12 AM

Dudes,
Admire the business strategy. But not how the whole thing came about ... an economics based on corrupt money. Per macro-economics, these will definitely help the end consumer and will be less of a drain in their pockets in the shorter-term(and will be admired by comatose morons!!). Long run, it will be a disaster. Examples are Enron and Govt of Indonesia in late 90's. Not to mention the unscrupulous business ethics of this entire corrupt family. Read this blog by an economist,
http://bseshadri.blogspot.com/2005/11/sun-tv-settlement.html

Ambani's, Mittal's are the embodiment of hard work and entrepreneurship. The guy above is not worth the league. Well this thread is not meant for such a discussion. Henceforth signing-off on this topic ....

rajasaranam

27th March 2006, 03:15 PM

Ambani's, Mittal's are the embodiment of hard work and entrepreneurship. The guy above is not worth the league. Well this thread is not meant for such a discussion. Henceforth signing-off on this topic ....

Ambani's - hard work :shock: Its very easy to forget the unaccounted share's of Reliance scandal that happened in the nineties.. is It :?:
Ellarum thiruttu pasanga thaan 'Kaluthai vittaila mun vitta ethu pin vitta ethu' :roll:

abbydoss1969

27th March 2006, 03:47 PM

yeah, every body knows Ambani's methods were hardly above board.there is no need to pick on Kalanidhi maran alone for whatever reasons.
Like MrJudge says I don't read kungumam or dinakaran or even watch sun tv but Kalanidhi is one of india's top ten businessmen as acknowleged by all business mags.
as for the valuation of suntv , anyway they will be listed soon on the stock exchange we will know the real value soon. As for Mk relinquishing his share in sun tv , it is private affair bet him and kalanidhi maran.and the share were given to MK free (I think),for political reasons he is giving it back.
The bottomline is don't bring your politics in appreciating maran:that guy is a business genius.

jaiganes

27th March 2006, 07:11 PM

In Pithamagan Laila style
Loosaappa neengallam?
MK, DM , ambani ivangalai pathi pesanumna vera threadle poai pesunga. Raasavoda threadle indha discussion venaame!!!! pleez.
lower your years pleez(adhaavadhu sevi saayungalaen endru sonnaen).

abbydoss1969

27th March 2006, 07:27 PM

I think after a long time IR is making a return to acoustic , grand style orchestration in"Twinkle, twinkle little star". Trailers are making special mention of this,atleast on malayalam channels.

RAJAforEver

27th March 2006, 10:33 PM

rocketboy

27th March 2006, 10:52 PM

rajaforever,
welcome to the hub . :)

rajasaranam

27th March 2006, 11:41 PM

Hi all,
iam student of IIIT Hyderabad. One of the hard core fans of Maestro Illayaraja. Though iam a telugu guy I listen telugu,tamil,malayalam and hindhi song as i strongly believe that music has no language barriers. I would like to share my views in this forum from today onwards. I need all your cooperation

Thanks

welcome Welcome :) Being a Hardcore fan of IR is the greatest thing we can do in our lives. Join the bandwagon we are into the greatest musical ride.

jaiganes

28th March 2006, 05:53 PM

Rajaforever! Welcome to hub.
Rajasaranam.
"Indha Ulagil" Piano pieces and the surrounding violins are heavenly. Light Light music, still heavy on orchestration is beautiful.
Nilavai chutri and Ketkavillaya are also trancy and class. They are not catchy on first hearing. However the mood evoked by these pieces is very subtle, soothing and harmonious. It seems time is suspended while listening to these songs. I guess that is what IR's speciality. It is not a slow tempo for melody kinda generalization. The mood evoked is direct reult of the melody that is not arrestingly catchy, still being to sweep me off my feet(thank GOD I was sitting and listening). Ideal song to put your crying baby to sleep.

rajasaranam

28th March 2006, 08:05 PM

Jaiganes,

My intital reaction to 'Intha Ulagil' and ketakavillaya were thumbs down as you could see in my earlier post. But this song is sure a mesmerising one after repeated listenings. I never accepted - these songs growing on you factor - and believed always that it should be liked instantly else its no good. but of late some of the Raja songs are also falling into this category of 'Growing on you' :)
But Iam afraid that these songs fade off soon like it had grown :( Iam not listening to 'Poo poothathu' from MX anymore.the last few releases from raja which have gone into my permanently listenable database are 'Oliyilae therivathu' 'Vanavillae' 'Ilankaathu' 'unnai Vida' etc., I believe this is due to the movie becoming hit and we listen to the songs conciouslly/unconciously in radios, Tv's etc., and they carve out a space for themselves in our hearts. The only difference I find with other MD's and Raja is that even if the movie and songs are hit the other MD's songs fade out soon after the movies runtime in theatres :)

jaiganes

28th March 2006, 11:05 PM

Whatever it may be, I must say that songs 2,3&4 in "Madhu" are gems. they are great songs without much air around them. "Aarpaattam illaamal aanaal iyalbaana idhamaana isaiyai indha paadalgalil unaramudigiradhu". As you said, the first time, they were more or less like "elevator music", soft and just that. However the reaction on hearing these songs was not on the ears or the audittory section of my mind. Rather it was on the overall being. These songs have a kind of "soothing" feel that grow on me. It is not layer upon layer of tracks that creates this feeling(Some MDs make full use of track technology and keep recording so many instrumental tracks that one is able to discern one by one with repeated hearings that one gets a "Grows on me feeling"). This song and the ones that I have mentioned grow on you in a different way. It is not through technology, rather by an ethereal arrangement of accoustics and voice. In "Indha ulagil" song, there are synth arrangements, violins, flutes, soft drums and offcourse good voice of Shalini. All this arrangement ebb and flow in a rather slow progression which definitely "grows on YOU" :D
I am addicted to these songs and whoever wrote that caption "Isaignaniyin Isai Bodhayil" is cent percent right IMHO.

rajasaranam

28th March 2006, 11:21 PM

JG,

Isaigyani yoda ella paattum bodhai thaan :)
Off the track you are a father now is it? PM me on the developements of your married life :)

Cinefan

29th March 2006, 04:26 PM

I never accepted - these songs growing on you factor - and believed always that it should be liked instantly else its no good.

I still believe in this very strongly.

29th March 2006, 10:58 PM

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14172934

29th March 2006, 11:00 PM

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14172934

thumburu

31st March 2006, 04:22 PM

"Kadal Meengal" should also find a place among Raja's rerecording sparklers. Though the movie is not worth even a glance, the bgm especially during the fight scenes with groovy beats, guitar, sax , crispy flute bits are awe evoking.

rooky

1st April 2006, 11:08 AM

Add "Thallatuthaey vaanam" song from that movie.A class song there.

1st April 2006, 04:32 PM

helppppppppp i want the old raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajjjjjjaaaaaa backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk..the raaja who made mayile mayile un thogai.,kaalangal mazhaikaalangal....im on a high now not because of alcohol or drugs but just because of raajas old songs..pleeeeeeeeeeez.i want the old raaaja back...

prabhudas

2nd April 2006, 01:08 AM

Three songs from Madhu, the best in recent times by IR ( Nilavai sutri, Kaetka villaiya, Indha ulagil)
For me , these 3 songs have been sort of instant catchers right from the very first listen which has been a while since "konji pesalam" unnai thedi thedi song by IR
"Nilavai Sutri", far out classic, great , as I mentioned sometime back, despite his synth usage in almost every movie, they stand unique and this was one of the best , nice rendition by Thipu, amazing prelude and interludes ( God only knows what goes in IR's brain, when he writes the interlude BGM parts....), the sneaky bits of bass guitar whoo mesmerizing
kaetkavillaiya.. song, another instant catchy tune, nothing fresh but definitely much well sung by both IR and Manjari ( I am sure both Manjari and shalini are going to get their share of recognition by Ir in his next movies)
Inda ulagil naan, very reminiscent of vintage IR stuff,
As JG said, I am curious about the picturisation, don't know what genre this movie fits in, but I am eager looking forward to the BGM also
personally I felt these songs were way better than " kasturi Maan" songs, the other two don't deserve much, , however Dum irundha munnale, starts good but later becomes very mediocre, and sounds like My dear maarthanda ( sattam vaaradhu) song
Kiru, I am surprised u didn't like the songs at first listening, I am sure u will come back and write more about those 3 songs
prabhudas

kiru

2nd April 2006, 06:18 AM

kiru

2nd April 2006, 06:20 AM

njv

2nd April 2006, 08:16 PM

(Ganashaya brindaranyam.. is from Kochu Kochu santhoshangal. Very good/fresh work by IR. He himself was excited about this and it seems he asked one of our friends how they liked it, when he visisted them)
:?: :?: :?: :?:

What is Ganashaya brindaranyam / kochu kochu santhoshangal? New malayalam movie/song?

prabhudas

2nd April 2006, 11:20 PM

Kiru,
My bad,

thanks for pointing out, the CD combination has AA and KKS songs, somehow got mixed up, I know u wrote raving comments on this song some time back.
A hell lot of my mp3 rips are lacking ID3 tags and proper organization ( I will need a mini vacation to do them I think)
that reminds another query to TFMDfers, this has been discussed in TFM technology related stuff thread a few times, anyone yet tied the bell to the poonaikutti (of starting a wikipedia based updating/editing of TFM songs, preferrably IR songs) that would help individually update the ID3 tags for all the mp3 songs?
Thops showed some interest few years ago,
any chances of revival thops?

NJV,
KKS is old Mallu film by S Anthikaad , released in 2002 I think, a must listen for every IR fan.....I wonder if any MD would even think of coming out with such great percussion usage

I don't know how the movie was, appadi enna Mallu films le IR gets so much inspiration, i don't know? but I can't think of one Tamil song by IR for more than a decade that is even little close to this song

prabhudas

njv

3rd April 2006, 07:36 AM

Bose Quiet comfort head phones - $299.00
Ipod audio player ( $200 to $ 350)
Listening to " Ghanashyam Brindaranyam" kochu Kochu santhoshangal song - PRICE LESS
A free virtual tour to heaven by IR

Gotcha. I checked out in few online sites and it sound pretty good. Need proper CD to enjoy the album. will buy this soon. thanks again.

NormalMan

3rd April 2006, 09:22 AM

Missed this song in the album. Amazing percussion & fusion.

rooky

3rd April 2006, 12:06 PM

Two malayalam movies with IRs' music releasing in next few weeks

http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14175007

Mohanlals' and dileeps' movies have IRs' music

thumburu

3rd April 2006, 12:41 PM

njv

3rd April 2006, 09:30 PM

Two malayalam movies with IRs' music releasing in next few weeks

http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14175007

Mohanlals' and dileeps' movies have IRs' music
Rasathantram (Mohanlal) audio is released and the review is excellent. Didnt hear the songs so far. It seems it has some excellent melodies.

kiru

4th April 2006, 02:13 AM

Prabhudas,
I am not into Mp3, as I favor high-fidelity. Why dont you rip with ExactAudioCopy (www.exactaudiocopy.de) and use Apple Lossless compression and see whether you hear an improvement in the sound ?
Guys, I have been disappointed with Mal albums after KKS. Hopefully, something interesting will be there in these two new ones. if there is a real audio version to sample them that would be great.

teja

4th April 2006, 09:07 AM

http://eenadu.net/ncineshow.asp?qry=cinefront1

IR seems to have signed a new telugu film.
It's a period film, with dance/music/devotional background.

Movie is yet to be titled. Recording will begin in May.

jaiganes

4th April 2006, 03:34 PM

Sorry..Prabhudas..I heard it again..did not like it.
I do notice the technicalities you point out, yes, the songs all use classic orchestration techniques refined by IR over time, but he usually throws in a few notes in the background or in between which gives a novel twist/freshness to the song. Seems like it is missing in these songs. Seems more like a Artificial Intelligence software/program generated composition in IR style. (People are building software to finish the unfinished symphonies of classical masters like Beethoven et)
In the category of recent songs driven by synth bass and drums, one of them I like is - oor urangum nErathil from kanna unai thEdugiREn. Notice, the electic guitar notes and sax fills ..(all synth :-( ).
Somebody mentioned thAlAttudhEy vaanam here.. yes.. just a few notes into the opening .. I get goose bumps with that one.. Wow.

The three songs in Madhu are so lazy that you have to be in a lazy state of mind to enjoy them. I picked them up and played them before going to sleep and I was sleeping before i could even realize. Ketkavillaya is a strange number as it is mild with some breathtaking high pitch sections and I tried tp sing it and it took the winds off me, I was wondering how IR can sing that without showing any signs of strain either in rendition or swaram. I agree that off late the punch is not in IR's albums, however I would disagree if the same comment can be same about this one.

NormalMan

4th April 2006, 08:03 PM

IR scoring for Amitabh's new Hindi movie.

http://sify.com/movies/bollywood/fullstory.php?id=14176110

alwarpet_andavan

4th April 2006, 09:00 PM

IR scoring for Amitabh's new Hindi movie.

http://sify.com/movies/bollywood/fullstory.php?id=14176110

Balki must have been the one who made ads like "Idea" [Naguna Nayana song] and others with IR songs snippets. He is a self professed IR fan.

The music is by Ilaya Raja, who has done many films down south.

:banghead: :hammer:

rooky

4th April 2006, 09:31 PM

So, with Shiva and this AB movie, IR has got cool offers up North indeed

tmrrmt

4th April 2006, 09:54 PM

"The music is by Ilaya Raja, who has done many films down south"

it is like saying "the equation is from Isaac Newton, who wrote several formulas in mathematics in the past", or, "the main recruit for the football league is Pele, who has scored several goals for Brazil"!

Andavaa ! idhallavo un sodhanai!

njv

5th April 2006, 01:33 AM

Balki must have been the one who made ads like "Idea" [Naguna Nayana song] and others with IR songs snippets. He is a self professed IR fan.

Yes, in one of his interview (abt couple of months back in sify), he said if at all he makes a movie, he would have IR do the music or have get copyright for some of IR's music and re-engineer them with latest instruments/technology.

njv

5th April 2006, 02:33 AM

"it is like saying "the equation is from Isaac Newton, who wrote several formulas in mathematics in the past", or, "the main recruit for the football league is Pele, who has scored several goals for Brazil"!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I noticed that in RGV film too they mentioned his name as ILLAYA RAJA with a space between ILLAYA and RAJA. Since this is the first BigB movie after long gap and also the first one with IR, it might have some expectation from norties also. anyways I am looking forward to this one, just like any other IR work. For now, I am enjoying the Jaya TV coverage posted by gvicky on the other thread.

kiru

5th April 2006, 03:49 AM

IR scoring for Amitabh's new Hindi movie.

http://sify.com/movies/bollywood/fullstory.php?id=14176110

This is wonderful news. Balki has very good taste in music. He knows IR's repertoire in and out. We can look forward to a very good album with this one.
Most of the time, the producers/directors choose the tune, given out by IR. Only a person who understands IR's style very well will know how the tune will come out finally with rhythm and bg/harmony scores. Also, they should be able to sort out the fresh from the mundane. I thank Normal Man just for the news :-)

kiru

5th April 2006, 03:55 AM

jaiganes, kEtkavillaiya is the one I liked the most of the three. I felt the rhythm programming did not mesh very well with the tune. A good experiment probably - synth drum programming for a laid-back IR tune. I will listen to it on CD when I can get hold of it.

njv

5th April 2006, 05:17 AM

"Ganashyama" is set to Kaapi scale. Other noteworthy "kaapi" based songs from IR -
1. Hey paadal onru - Priya,
2. "sugamo ayiram" - thunai iruppaaL meenakshi
3. "kannan vandhadhaale nanmai vandhadhu" - Thambi pondaatti.
4. Thumbi vaa - Olangal.
Though Kaapi is widely perceived to be ARR's fav scale, IR, VS have also exploited this raga to the hilt

when I listen to it, it felt like some arr song and now I know the reason. i think i am beginning to understand what raaga means. i cant make it out but atleast if someone point me out, i can "feel" it. whats amazing about this song is the percussion usage (someone already pointed out). it just alternate from drums to tabla - wonder what could be the situation.

btw a friend of mine who met IR recently mentioned about TFM (he is also part of tfm :D ) and mentioned that people here discuss about his work, the technical details etc and IR mentioned that while it is glad that his fans are looking into the technical details/learning something he said that when he compose or write the notes he had no intention what so ever to introduce/try a particular experiment. He said that whatever flows to his mind he writes them. very occassionally on the demand of artists, specially when they refer some song and ask him, he interntionally force certain pieces into the album. He also mentioned that during his first symphony he tried to folow the rules strictly but he didnt even do that during his second symphony.

cry_sandiego

5th April 2006, 06:18 AM

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Awesome Prabhudas..Though inspired by Mastercard, what you said is absolutely true for me and I cannot say that for any other MD song that i have said. I have felt that feeling a lot of times when i listen to IR's gems.

Kiru, you are very right abt " Thaalaattuthe Vaanam ".. I get goose bumps all over even today when i listen to it within a few seconds..

I recently bought a Cassette instrumental by one Tabun .. He has scored the KB/FLute versions of some IR hits . And thaalattuthe vaanam was one of the tracks.. When i listened to it, i felt the urge to go the Thaalattuthe song immediately.. such an impact..

But to me nothing beats " Putham Puthu Kaalai.. Ponnira velai.." when it comes to goose bumps... This song ranks in the top 10 of my fav IR songs .

Also, I have the same problem reg ID3 tags on my iPod. I spent a few days entering the artist info for all the 1500 tracks i have on my ipod. Unfortunately when i moved computers, I lost the library file and could not restore it.. Now i need to do that again.. But it is worth it as I can retrieve a song based on the singer, Raaga etc within 10 seconds. Thanks to Apple.

Cheers
MSK

NagaS

5th April 2006, 07:47 AM

A Beautiful katturai about one of IR's all time best songs

http://domesticatedonion.net/tamil/?p=27

5th April 2006, 12:22 PM

yes it must be the ad-man balki. He is a crazy IR fan(atic). He is also a big shot in the Indian advt industry. He was a invited to give a guest lecture in IIM-K and it seems he introduced himself as " Hi I am Balakrishnan better known as Balki. I am the biggest fan of IR in this universe.".and then started the lecture(on business/marketing ofcourse)...according to my sister who attened this lecture.

raja_fan

5th April 2006, 12:55 PM

Rasathanthram songs available in Music India online.
Two songs are nice and fresh.

balaji

5th April 2006, 04:55 PM

Rasathanthram --> All have a Dejavu feeling. Engeyo Ketta Padalgal.

Having said that loved Chitra's rendition of 'Poo Kunguma Poo'.

Worth buying for her singing alone.

Bala

teja

5th April 2006, 11:41 PM

On IR's next Telugu film (news items is in English this time, for your perusal :)

http://www.andhracafe.com/index.php?m=show&id=5542

Renault

6th April 2006, 08:12 AM

Lot of movies coming up for Meastro fans.. Lemme sum up few things I know off and probably others can add to this movies pipeline:

1. Tamil
a. Naan Kadavul (Ajith Kumar.. big.. considering Ajith's mass appeal)
b. Aadum Koothu (Cheran)
c. Maaya Kannadi (Cheran once again)
d. Madhu (Ramesh.. album released)
e. Twinkle Twinkle Little Star (Kids movie.. album released)

Malayalam
a. MohanLal movie
b. Dileep movie (both superstars there)

Telugu
a. Vamsi movie ? (Not sure)

Hindi
a. Amitabh Tabu starrer ... Balky movie
b. Ram Gopal Varma movie.. is this the Shiva sequel?

rooky

7th April 2006, 01:50 PM

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/bharathiraja2.html

This article says, Bharathi raja has already got Vikrams' commitment for his next movie "kutrap parambarai" and that IR would be the MD for this movie.

app_engine

8th April 2006, 02:33 AM

http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=12320

Interesting interview...with a passing reference to IR...

prabhudas

8th April 2006, 06:32 AM

Hi
Kiru,
I was looking for MP3 datbase, because in addition to portable media player, I like streaming to my stereo also which many networked media players are doing, I don't know if anybody has good experience with lossless WMA formats
JG,
another reason probably I liked all those three songs, probably was because we were used to the unique melodies of IR and barring VS there is hardly any new MDs who give a genuine melody these days and we are overwhelmed by all those Hiphop songs and Kuthu songs in every other film ( although YSR/HJ are still coming out with some impressive numbers consistantly), amidst all these IR's recent ones kind of pulled me back to my yester years, I really hope the director does a good job in picturising these songs

MSK,
"Putham puthu kaalai" song is one of those songs which falls in the list which even if IR will ever give another similar one in his life time, Teja mentioned sometime back that even a rehash of this in Telugu version will speak volumes , I recently watched the telugu vamshi film on DVD " Kanaka Mahalakshmi RDT" what a surprise , the movie has BGM clips of "Putham puthu Kaalai" song palyed in flute multiple times

Lastly , I just finished ripping the BGM pieces of " uthiri Pookkal" ( good quality) , awesome BGM ( see links below for down load) and what a great movie my God I had never seen this movie before, just fabulous , somehow had missed it ( I got few good quality VCDs of Mahendran movies and Old Bharathiraja movies from India) ...amazing script ( based on a short story published in a tamil Magazine) no melodrama absolutely and from start to finish , yadhartam na idhu ( the only good movie I liked with this kind of down to earth, matter of fact kind script in years "Kaadhal") well I can go on and on, watched Mullum Malarum back to back ( another great movie I can write so much about), and finally this is what was coming to mind about the Tamil film state of affairs in the recent years, TN makkal who welcomed and made these kind of great movies a great hit in 80's what is making them to su*k it upto the crass movies which are getting undue attention these years evey other movie of Vijay, Ajith and u name it , even if a new director comes out with some good script or a decent film, it gets totally ignored
( although Kamal, rajini also had number of Masala movies under the tag family entertrainer etc during those days , but my gripe is good movies which deserved attention got good attention then, but that is not the case now.. too much off unwanted media driven hype and marketing is another reason, but Makkal's taste has taken 180 degree turn )

About Uthiri Pookal BGM so solid , the mixed emotions created by IR's magic is spell binding, he rules the entire movie like a king
"Azhagiya kannae" theme played in so many different ways in different situation, the interludes of the very same song hitting at right spots with mesmerizing emotions. I had never heard the tilte song by IR , which has the interlude music of "Azhagiya kanne" in a slightly modified way , surprising bits of SP Shailu's " Azhagiya Kannae" and title song humming etc.. etc..

links for BGM

http://www.filefactory.com/?131ab3
http://rapidshare.de/files/17461483/u_pookkal_bgm.zip.html

Prabhudas

Renault

8th April 2006, 08:02 AM

Hi
Kiru,
I was looking for MP3 datbase, because in addition to portable media player, I like streaming to my stereo also which many networked media players are doing, I don't know if anybody has good experience with lossless WMA formats
JG,
another reason probably I liked all those three songs, probably was because we were used to the unique melodies of IR and barring VS there is hardly any new MDs who give a genuine melody these days and we are overwhelmed by all those Hiphop songs and Kuthu songs in every other film ( although YSR/HJ are still coming out with some impressive numbers consistantly), amidst all these IR's recent ones kind of pulled me back to my yester years, I really hope the director does a good job in picturising these songs

MSK,
"Putham puthu kaalai" song is one of those songs which falls in the list which even if IR will ever give another similar one in his life time, Teja mentioned sometime back that even a rehash of this in Telugu version will speak volumes , I recently watched the telugu vamshi film on DVD " Kanaka Mahalakshmi RDT" what a surprise , the movie has BGM clips of "Putham puthu Kaalai" song palyed in flute multiple times

Lastly , I just finished ripping the BGM pieces of " uthiri Pookkal" ( good quality) , awesome BGM ( I will upload them soon) and what a great movie my God I had never seen this movie before, just fabulous , somehow had missed it ( I got few good quality VCDs of Mahendran movies and Old Bharathiraja movies from India) ...amazing script ( based on a short story published in a tamil Magazine) no melodrama absolutely and from start to finish , yadhartam na idhu ( the only good movie I liked with this kind of down to earth, matter of fact kind script in years "Kaadhal") well I can go on and on, watched Mullum Malarum back to back ( another great movie I can write so much about), and finally this is what was coming to mind about the Tamil film state of affairs in the recent years, TN makkal who welcomed and made these kind of great movies a great hit in 80's what is making them to su*k it upto the crass movies which are getting undue attention these years evey other movie of Vijay, Ajith and u name it , even if a new director comes out with some good script or a decent film, it gets totally ignored
( although Kamal, rajini also had number of Masala movies under the tag family entertrainer etc during those days , but my gripe is good movies which deserved attention got good attention then, but that is not the case now.. too much off unwanted media driven hype and marketing is another reason, but Makkal's taste has taken 180 degree turn )

About Uthiri Pookal BGM so solid , the mixed emotions created by IR's magic is spell binding, he rules the entire movie like a king
"Azhagiya kannae" theme played in so many different ways in different situation, the interludes of the very same song hitting at right spots with mesmerizing emotions. I had never heard the tilte song by IR , which has the interlude music of "Azhagiya kanne" in a slightly modified way , surprising bits of SP Shailu's " Azhagiya Kannae" and title song humming etc.. etc..

Prabhudas

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Well said, Prabhu das. Your thoughts synergized with mine when you mentioned
"and finally this is what was coming to mind about the Tamil film state of affairs in the recent years, TN makkal who welcomed and made these kind of great movies a great hit in 80's what is making them to su*k it upto the crass movies which are getting undue attention these years evey other movie of Vijay, Ajith and u name it".

I really liked your comments on Uthiri Pookkal as well.

Couple of points related to this:

1. I recently read the top ten personal favorites of actor Vikram and this movie stands at # 2, I guess. I haven't sen this movie completely and I will try to grab a DVD of this.

2. There used to be a program in the earlier days of the DD Metro channel. It was like taking a hit film and the main crew (not the cast.. also the crew, it's time we give credit to the crew and not idolize the cast) talking about their experience in the movie. I remember Mahendran saying that the leading actress was actually from Bangalore and was termed as an unlucky actress in Kannada film industry. But, Mahendran on seeing her face got totally convinced that she could very well fit in the role he was looking for in Uthiri Pookkal..

Azhagiye Kanne song gives me goosebumps whenever I hear.. Donno why.

teja

8th April 2006, 12:21 PM

"Putham puthu kaalai" song is one of those songs which falls in the list which even if IR will ever give another similar one in his life time, Teja mentioned sometime back that even a rehash of this in Telugu version will speak volumes , I recently watched the telugu vamshi film on DVD " Kanaka Mahalakshmi RDT" what a surprise , the movie has BGM clips of "Putham puthu Kaalai" song palyed in flute multiple times

"Kanaka Mahalakshmi RDT" is unique in a few ways.
1. Putham puthu Kaalai, tune is used as the love theme between lead pair.
2. The duet "E naadu vidiponi" is based on Theme track from "Swathi Muthyam" (K Viswanath's film... Sippikul Muthu (?) in tamil)
3. Another duet "Vennalai Paadana" is based on Theme track from Vamsy's another film "Sitaara".

az_raja_fan

8th April 2006, 01:15 PM

I am yet to a site to download "Ghana Shyama" from Kochu Kochu..... can't even get hold of the album to purchase, somebody please please help!!

jibi

9th April 2006, 04:01 AM

new malayalam mohan lal starrer audio released... music by IR

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/20/s/movie_name.8377/

12bums

9th April 2006, 04:53 AM

Thanks Jibi for the news. First hearing- It sounds very vintage IR - Tablas, KJ and KSC all back under his baton. And the tunes also sound very IR'ish.For those not comfy with his usage of synth, here is an album for you - Basic IR!!

12bums

9th April 2006, 05:05 AM

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/article/21639.html

12bums

9th April 2006, 05:08 AM

http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/review.php?id=14180040&ctid=5&cid=2428
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/review/8293.html

Renault

9th April 2006, 10:13 AM

12bums,

Great one live review. The songs are indeed vintage Raja. Tx for the lead.

kiru

10th April 2006, 05:14 AM

...
"Putham puthu kaalai" song is one of those songs which falls in the list which even if IR will ever give another similar one in his life time ..
Prabhudas
I think so too Prabhudas. This is not to knock IR, but that is the way art works. Creativity is not analytical ability for one person to weild it consistently. Just like sport, there is an element of chance (or divine intervention as the artists themselves attribute it to !!!) .
That is why I am a little skeptical about working 'hard' to create good music. You can only create good sound. For music, you just have to be interested in it, that is all.
If it comes to hardwork I am sure there are lots of toiling away with kirthis/raagams and Bach/Beethoven sheet music. They all dont become composers. Composers are ones who can turn their knowledge into a work of art in an instant of creative flow. This does not mean one should not work hard to learn music, if they want to be a composer or not. It is just that the composition itself is not like normal 'work'. That is why it is called art.

inetk

10th April 2006, 05:18 PM

Rasathanthiram's music in 100 words.
http://www.milliblog.blogspot.com/

The phrase 'vintage Raja' works only when given the appropriate perspective. In Tamil, it doesnt. I believe thats as much to do with the themes, trends and progress. In Malayalam, fits much better!

app_engine

10th April 2006, 09:13 PM

As expected, `poo kumgumappoo' KSC version is a lot better than KJY's...(I feel it's time for Dasettan to bid adieu to film music and focus on classicals alone...)

A `pleasant to hear', `soft on ears' album...that way it's vintage IR...may not be trend-setting, but soothing nevertheless...

app_engine

10th April 2006, 09:18 PM

"In Chennai during the re-recording of the film, Ilayaraja who is the music director and a very reserved person burst out laughing seeing the comedy antics of Mohanlal and Meera Jasmine. The Mohanlal-Sathyan combination is said to have re-worked the old magic once again! "

says sify site...
http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14176582

popeye11

11th April 2006, 02:37 AM

vasanth2006

11th April 2006, 12:16 PM

in first hearing itself, "Rasathanthram" makes me satisfied. Excellent album. it is complete IR style.

krish244

11th April 2006, 04:22 PM

Not sure if this news is already posted:

http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=12184

IR to score for kannada remake of "Pithamagan"

thanks,

Krishnan

vem

11th April 2006, 08:35 PM

Rasathantram is fantastic !!!

IR rocks in all 5 songs !!!!

Very pleasant melodies after such a long time. So soothing for the ears.

app_engine

11th April 2006, 10:21 PM

Rasathanthram...It's interesting to note that IR has specific styles for each group of customers that he serves...this album sounds like Friends (mal) part II:-) (Atrin karai arrangement reminds sivamallippoovE...poo,kungumappoo is like thangakkinA etc.)

It used to be the same when he was at his peak too...while his Malayalam songs will be very different from his Tamil stuff, they will have something common within themselves, musically...either the tunes themselves or the arrangements...something will sound `similar', evoking a `pAlakkAdan' feeling...

jaiganes

12th April 2006, 07:10 AM

vem wrote:

Rasathantram is fantastic !!!

IR rocks in all 5 songs !!!!

Very pleasant melodies after such a long time. So soothing for the ears.
Vem who has not been satisfied with IR's recent output feels this way, then definitely Rasathanthram must be good. I have to buy the CD for sure.

Sanjeevi

12th April 2006, 10:37 AM

Usha, who started singing songs for films with Chitram, is now a household name not only in AP but also among all those people who listen to Telugu music. Within a short span, she has captured the hearts of music lovers throughout the globe. Here she shares her feelings and experiences of her tryst with Maestro Ilayaraja in her own words.

Singing in the music direction of Maestro Ilayaraja is a cherished dream for any aspiring singer. After all, how many singers get this opportunity? That I was on cloud nine when I was invited to Chennai to sing two songs in Sambhu under the music direction of Maestro Ilayaraja, is just a modest way of putting my feelings. Elated, excited, nervous, oh! I underwent a whole gamut of feelings until I actually met Ilayaraja garu in person.

Ilayaraja had listened to a couple of songs I sang under the music direction of Bhava Tharani, who happens to be his daughter. When he was looking for a budding female singer in Telugu to singe some songs for Sambhu, Kula Sekhar garu referred me to him. When I met him, Ilayaraja mentioned to me about the songs I sang for Bhava Tharani.

I had been to Chennai a couple of times and tried to meet him in person but in vain. Now it was a privilege to meet my favorite music director Ilayaraja as a singer. As a person he is simple, unassuming and very jovial.

The recording was supposed to be conducted at Prasad Labs, Chennai where Ilayaraja has a special room for his own use. (He actually has his own studio in Chennai that was under renovation then). The walls of his room were adorned with the photos of Lord Ganesh and Ialayaraja's gurus. As soon as I stepped into that room, a current of tranquility passed through my body. I was later told that not everybody is allowed to enter that room.

I was very nervous, not sure as to how this great person would talk to me or treat me It's very natural to be anxious, meeting a person who is renowned throughout the world. But Ilayaraja's down to earth composure and a cool attitude buried my anxiety even before it blossomed. Without me realizing, we were already into a conversation.

When I asked him how he had developed so much interest in music, he amazed me with answers that were subtle and simple, just like him. His favorite music instrument is harmonium. And the magic he does with his favorite music instrument leaves one charmed. He played a tune on harmonium and asked me what music it was. I said that it's a folk tune. He played yet another tune and asked me to identify it. I said that it's a western tune. Then he played the 'Nagumomu' tune in a traditional way. Only then I realized that the tunes he played earlier were also of Nagumomu, but in folk and western formats. The way he added new colors to the already known tune in such a quick and short time was amazing.

Ilayaraja is a legend in music. In his earlier days, he used to write notes while playing his harmonium. Later on, he used to compose tune while looking at the harmonium to make sure if he is using the correct notes. Now, he composes his notes without even looking at the harmonium. He is that adept with harmonium now. I believe he re-records the entire movie in one day (with a morning 7 to evening 7 call-sheet), which is almost an impossible task for any music director. That shows his expertise at it. For the film Sambhu, he has composed new music for the songs that were already picturized using the music composed by another music director. Ilayaraja's compositions gel so well with the songs that one can barely make out the difference now.

Talking about the new trend in Telugu film industry these days, that music for Telugu films should be given only by Telugu people, he commented that music does not have any linguistic barriers. Anybody who composes music should make sure that music is born, but not made. On other language singers, he said that as long as the singers pronounce the language properly anybody could sing in any language.

Initially I was supposed to do just one song 'Kalalo Choosindi'. After listening to that melodious song, he offered me to sing another song - 'Buttabomma'.

The kind of enthusiasm he has for his age [I guess he is above 60] is remarkable. When I was singing 'Buttabomma' song, Ilayaraja showed the enthusiasm he needed in my voice by jumping and singing the song the way I was supposed to sing it.

While we were working on these songs, a producer came over to the studio to show a song pictured on Ilayaraja's tune. Ilayaraja invited us to have a look at it. The picturization of the song paled in comparison to Ilayaraja's rich composition. The song was a classical song and sadly the picturization could not do proper justice to it.

As some memoirs, I took some photographs with him and his room. He was so sweet to allow me to photograph him. While we were being photographed, he cheered us up saying "Smile, smile!"

I used to listen to music since I was a kid. Back then I just used to listen to the songs without paying much attention to the music director's name. It was only with Abhinanadana that I became knowledgeable about the singers and music directors. After listening to the melodious score of Abhinandana I could totally relate to most of his older compositions.

Back then, it was just hero and heroine who became popular with the films. But today, because of the exposure a movie gets, thanks to the media, almost all the technicians are becoming popular and known to common man. Also, people have started noticing the people involved behind the screen.

People brand me as melodious singer. I would like to sing all types of songs but for that to happen, music directors also need to give me a chance. Given some opportunities, I am sure I can sing any type of sing. Ilayaraja is one music director who has given me a chance to experiment.

Ilayaraja also mentioned to me the usage and importance of natural sounds, like a bird's chirping, while composing music. He said that Mother Nature provides us with a variety of music that when used in songs they add to the effect of the song.

Ilayaraja's style of working is different from most of the music directors today. In just one go, he judges if the singer sang the song the way he wanted to or not. He not only gives suggestions for improvement but also encourages with a good and valuable feedback quite unlike the music directors today. Working with him is fast and fun.

Its really been a great pleasure working with him. I thank idlebrain.com for giving me an opportunity to share my experiences with my friends and fellow visitors of idlebrain.com

Original link : http://www.idlebrain.com/news/2000march20/usha-ilayaraja.html

vem

12th April 2006, 08:58 PM

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/musicreview/8293.html

app_engine

13th April 2006, 12:52 AM

teja

13th April 2006, 11:55 AM

IR's new Telugu film is titled "Sri Vengamamba".

More info...
http://www.greatandhra.com/movies/news/apr2006/smitha_sriven.php

NormalMan

13th April 2006, 05:49 PM

Check this out. Most requested songs in MusincIndiaOnline.

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/ut/s/20/100/

inetk

13th April 2006, 09:26 PM

Is the audio of Dileep's Pachakuthira out? The movie is supposed to be out tomorrow (14th) and Raja's music is touted as one of the highlights! Strange that while Rasathanthiram is being talked about, this one isnt!

Karthik
www.milliblog.blogspot.com

njv

13th April 2006, 09:42 PM

audio is out. I saw the review and they said 2 songs are situational, 2 songs are melody (1 excellent and 1 good) and 1 song is a kinda "remix" of a melody. didnt listen to the songs yet.

Nitya

14th April 2006, 07:25 AM

http://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/malayalamContentView.do?articleType=movies&programId=1073752204&contentId=882899&contentType=EDITORIAL&BV_SessionID=@@@@0330643199.1144868851@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdcaddhhliehkdcefecfikdghodgik.0

This manOramA article states that IR has worked with Sathyan Anthikkad for 5 movies!

-yAthrakkArude sradhdhaikku
-kochu kochu santhOshangaL
-manasinakkare
-achuvinda amma
-rasathanthram

The first movie in the list had music by Johnson.

Anyway, I sincerely hope that in the new Telugu film, Ilayaraja puts his best foot forward, as I'm sure the theme of that film would call for it.

Regards,
Nitya

inetk

14th April 2006, 11:44 AM

And here goes the mandatory 100 words on Raja's Pachakuthira!
http://www.milliblog.blogspot.com

inetk

14th April 2006, 11:51 AM

BTW, couldnt manage to find the CD yet. The tracks are available in indiamuziczone (requires registration, also requires a reply to see hidden content).

Cooltoad direct links for the tracks.

Butterfly
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=246242

Kalikonda chaamundi
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=246243

Oru thottaavaadi
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=246244

Varavelkummo
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=246245

Karthik
www.milliblog.blogspot.com

vijayr

14th April 2006, 09:36 PM

Looks like IR has lost interest in MFM too. It would be safe to change this threads's title to "IR's old albums" and discuss KKS, Guru etc.

Renault

14th April 2006, 09:56 PM

Vijay,

Actually we, Raja fans are celebrating his music in Rasathanthram..

Have ur facts ready before making such fleeting statements.

jaiganes

14th April 2006, 10:22 PM

Renault wrote:

Have ur facts ready before making such fleeting statements.
Give some space for his selective amnesia Renault! Now he (vijayr) is going to come back with a statistical correlation argument of what he "actually" meant and which will be always someone else's fault!!! :lol: :lol:

rajasaranam

15th April 2006, 01:36 AM

great to see Raja Giving us 2 albums back to back :) But I love 'Rasathanthiram' more than 'Pachakuthira' because it has that vintage raja touch in all songs.

Rasathanthiram songs are also available in cooltoad and here are the links for it
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243480
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243482
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243479
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243481
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243484

aatinkarayorathe, Poo KungumaPoo and Ponnavanipaadam are all great to listen. the tunes and orchestration takes us to late 80's and early 90's when he was churning out gem after gem in those Ramarajan, karthick and Prabhu's gramathu flicks. It seems after a long time Iam hearing Tabla rhythms in 'Poo kungumapoo' and I just Love it. Hope he gets back to tabla itself instead of the synths :)

rajasaranam

15th April 2006, 01:38 AM

Looks like IR has lost interest in MFM too. It would be safe to change this threads's title to "IR's old albums" and discuss KKS, Guru etc.

And who was inviting you for a Discussion atall...Tell me Tell me I'll Kill him :twisted:

vijayr

15th April 2006, 02:48 AM

Vijay,

Actually we, Raja fans are celebrating his music in Rasathanthram..

Have ur facts ready before making such fleeting statements.

Really? who are all "celebrating" it? Just the 2 or 3 of you here. No one else gives a damn or isnt even aware of such an album

inetk's review of Pachakuthira pretty much sums up my view on IR's albums in MFM after KKS. and inetk is a very lenient reviewer,especially as far as IR albums are concerned. He wrote in his review:

But a 90s synth tune and sound is what you actually get. The same annoying heard-before synth sound opens Thottaavaadi. The ginguchakkaan humming irritates even more. Raja uses his standard raga-based composition in Varavelkumo. Sarasangi? Mayamaalavagowlai? In any case, considering that the raaga has been used pretty often, it only adds to the overall deja-vu effect. That very effect also drags the soundtrack down!
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rajasaranam

15th April 2006, 04:12 AM

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Vijay,

Actually we, Raja fans are celebrating his music in Rasathanthram..

Have ur facts ready before making such fleeting statements.

Renault! see you were speaking about Rasathanthram and he is giving out the 100words of karthick on Pachakuthira :lol:
If he had cared to scroll down the page of Karthick's blog he would have read this

Rasathanthiram
Aathin Karayorathe is a pleasant melody that has Manjari's sorta put-on stylish singing adding charm. Despite a strong deja-vu effect Ponnaavani paadam impresses with the old-world interludes laden with flute. Poo kungumapoo - in both Yesudas’ and Chitra’s versions - is the pick of the soundtrack with vintage orchestration and lovely Raja-styled directions that the tune adopts. Thevaaram's unconventional opening is absolutely Raja'esque though it peters out in a predictable mode later. Rasathanthiram, tune-wise, is vintage Raja. In Malayalam, which is more familiar with the softer, tuneful and mellow side of Raja, this is a significant advantage! Thematically fits better!

And it seems not you me and jaiganes [2 or 3 of us :) ] enjoying this album but the whole of kerala is enjoying it
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/ut/s/20/100/
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/ar/i/movie_name/8377/0/
Its topping the user request and its highly improbable that only 3 of us could have made achieve this feat :shock:

Kannai moodikitta Poonai kitta innum enna Paechu vaendi kedakku namakku. "Thalai" Live concertla sonna madhiri 'Namma Paattukku namma velaya Paarkalam' :) illaenna ungalai thaan Kolla Vaendi irukkum pola :oops:

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rajasaranam

15th April 2006, 05:18 AM

And here goes the mandatory 100 words on Raja's Pachakuthira!
http://www.milliblog.blogspot.com
Karthick The Soundtrack 'Varavelkumo' for which you said the deja-vu effect drags it down is the one I like of all the songs! purely fors its unique Rhythm pattern using clapping of hands and guitar? in its second interlude. Can any One even imagine using the clapping of hands in such various manners and incorporating into the rhythm pattern :?: Yes he himself has used clapping sounds earlier but here its very different try listening the song from 2:44 mins after...I wish the second interlude should have been longer.

'Kondachamundi' is synth added variation of 'unnaithaan nitham nitham' While 'oru thottavaadi' is again notable for its rhythamic interludes..What if he uses 'jiggichakkan' Which is very indianish I thank him for not using Ohlalala or jimbalikka.The style of pronunciation in the songs 'Butterfly' is very malayali style and i think karthick and bava have done commendable work over here too. The song has some cool jazzy effects... probably a hangover from MX period.

Overall a very impressive effort from Raja... given his age factor its commendable that he is still able to churn out nice rhythm based and fast paced songs not compromising with the newage composers who rely upon loops and commercial softwares for their rhythms :thumbsup:

Nitya

15th April 2006, 07:25 AM

Really? who are all "celebrating" it? Just the 2 or 3 of you here. No one else gives a damn or isnt even aware of such an album

inetk's review of Pachakuthira pretty much sums up my view on IR's albums in MFM after KKS. and inetk is a very lenient reviewer,especially as far as IR albums are concerned. He wrote in his review:

But a 90s synth tune and sound is what you actually get. The same annoying heard-before synth sound opens Thottaavaadi. The ginguchakkaan humming irritates even more. Raja uses his standard raga-based composition in Varavelkumo. Sarasangi? Mayamaalavagowlai? In any case, considering that the raaga has been used pretty often, it only adds to the overall deja-vu effect. That very effect also drags the soundtrack down!

vijayr, were you referring only to the "Pachakuthira" soundtrack, or did your statements include the "Rasathanthiram" soundtrack as well? I haven't heard any songs from "Pachakuthira," so I couldn't back up or argue any of your comments.

I have however heard the songs of "Rasathanthiram." And if you care to know my thoughts on that album, here they are. I think that even though Raja can and should be commended on resisting the temptation to use all the newfangled software to compose the music and giving more importance to the melody, I can say with confidence that Raja's exuberance isn't very great. After hearing SO many aural treats by guys like Raveendran Mash, Devarajan Mash, MSV, MK Arjunan, Sarath, VijayaBhaskar, and the like, and even Ilayaraja's own earlier works (including in his late 90s Kannada albums up until "Namma Preetiya Ramu"), these songs pale in comparison. Not enough freshness, that's what I'm saying! In fact, it seems like ages since I last heard a classic song by Raja. By that, I mean a song whose melody just blows you out of the water. While "Ponnaavani..." and "Poo Kumkuma Poo..." may sound pleasant, I wouldn't call either a classic. I think that even M. Jayachandran (currently the busiest MD in MFM) could scratch out songs like that. However, Malayalees seem to like the songs.

It is my belief that it will be the people who don't know anything outside of Ilayaraja's music who will be the ones exalting IR's mediocre or average by Raja's standards songs as if they were the best.

Regards,
Nitya

vijayr

15th April 2006, 08:50 AM

Nithya, agree with you every bit. I know that you listen to a lot of other MDs as well in MFM.

aruvi

15th April 2006, 09:39 AM

Yep, I agree. I think Rasathanthram songs are not all that great, and not at all IR classic.

But the songs are pleasant and melodious. It's a welcome change for a person like me, who has started listening to new tfm(including that of ARR in this list) again and find it loud and copied from everywhere from America to China. There is not an ounce of originality in most composers, including Raja's so called successful offspring.

So for Malayalees or anyone else who enjoy melodious music, it is always a treat to listen to such a fare. And no, I don't think most of us will call them classicals. But in a world where a Godfather or Pattiyal is praised to glory, I think IR deserves some true credit for his originality. And by the way, when was the last time one heard music in tfm that was 'fresh'?

ezy0265

15th April 2006, 10:03 AM

vijayr, my dear friend!!!

Onnumae illaatha ARR threadla kooda sila peru ennum ennannammo discuss pannikkittu irakkarapo, inga IR ivvalo hits innum continuosaa kodutthukittu irakkapo naama yenpaa old hits patthi discuss pannanum???

ARR threadla varusham muzhuthum itho varuthu itho varuthunnu title mattum pottukkitu discuss pannikittae iruppaanunga sila perunga. Anga poi un contributiona konjam koduppa saamy. 3 maasham 6 maasham velai senju koduppaar avuru Godfather maathiri oru sappa album, atha world standardkku uyarthi pesi pesi kushi adaivaanga sila peru!

IR recent films have many gems which will survive time, like his Madhu has got some heavenly tunes and top rock songs which can challenge any existing composers anytime!

tvsankar

15th April 2006, 12:05 PM

Dear Vijayr, Nithya,
TAmil la oru pazhamozhi onru irukiradhu!!

"kaikara marathuku than kalladi vizhum"

Like that, IR is busy in his music.Neengal ellorum kettu irukireergal.Pazhikireergal.Thats all!!!!

Eppo IR isai seri ialli enru feel panreengalo, just ignore him!! Avaroda pudhu padalgalai ketkadheenga!!! Dont waste your time!!! Ha Ha Ha!!! NIchayam ungalukaga IR tune podavillai.Avar anrum inrum enrum - Cinemavin story ku dhan tune podarar!!! ADhai avarudaiya fans rasikirargal!!! Idhu dhan Unmai.Idhi neengal accept panni than aga vendum!!!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.