BLACKBOARD:THE CHATTING DIAS!

[VENKIRAJA]

This thread is dedicated for hubbers to discuss things on stories.No Yes,do jump into conclusions that this is a chatting place.However,here we have restricted talks about sectors of tales,yarn-spinning,good forums,blogs,stories of the past,controversies or quarterly story writing contests,tips and so on.As both tamizh/english writers are availble here,we can bilingually talk about that.Let us intricately carve the regulations on the thread and start soon.
Regards,
Venkatesh R.K.

[madhu]

good idea ! நல்ல யோசனை ! :P

( no chatting ! :evil: :hammer: :notthatway: :yes: )

[crazy]

Good idea.......unfortunately i am not an intellectual, so I keep quite while u people r discussing :)

[Wibha]

madhu anna i read tamil :D

:goodidea:

[bingleguy]

:roll:

[VENKIRAJA]

:roll:

bingle,this is just a plain board.we can make rules herafter.why sigh?i'm somewhat clear now.we can better make it a "thinnai" for literry talks.irrelevant chatting strictly prohibited:the thread will b banned if we do.LEMME START THE DISCUSSION.

as we are all familiar with post-modernism's poems what carves the framework of post-modern stories?

best novels of tamizh?

[Shakthiprabha.]

I started reading wibha's HE story :evil: :cry2:

Since I am ALONE, I did not read further :shaking:

would read it after couple of days :oops:

[Wibha]

I started reading wibha's HE story :evil: :cry2:

Since I am ALONE, I did not read further :shaking:

would read it after couple of days :oops:

:lol: sorry bout dat :D

take ur time ;)

[bingleguy]

:roll:

bingle,this is just a plain board.we can make rules herafter.why sigh?i'm somewhat clear now.we can better make it a "thinnai" for literry talks.irrelevant chatting strictly prohibited:the thread will b banned if we do.LEMME START THE DISCUSSION.

as we are all familiar with post-modernism's poems what carves the framework of post-modern stories?

best novels of tamizh?

Not a sigh Venki :-) that was roll .... :roll:
actually indha thread oda amsam puriyalai :-) adhukkaaga dhaan muzhippu ;-)

[madhu]

vasanth...

idhu enna astrology thread-a ? raasi, amsam ellam puriya ! :froggrin:

[VENKIRAJA]

A'S 4 MY Q'S?

another q:
what happened to tamizh dramas now?

[Prasanna]

dont u c pothigai channel? 24 hr drama service.
why do u go that far u still get dramas in the name of films 4m ppl lik balachander, vikraman
:D :) :lol: 8-)

[VENKIRAJA]

nee sonna joke-kku naanga sirikkanum,neeye sirichukka koodaathu.examukku padikalaiya raasa?

[Designer]

A'S 4 MY Q'S?

another q:
what happened to tamizh dramas now?

Many popular dramas (serious like Cho's, YGM's, etc and comedy like Crazy Mohan's & S.Ve.Sekar's dramas) are available now as VCDs & DVDs. So why would ppl bother watching a drama on Pothigai - with the same set, same curtains, same furniture & props, same echoing studio sound, and same actors?

[VENKIRAJA]

A'S 4 MY Q'S?

another q:
what happened to tamizh dramas now?

Many popular dramas (serious like Cho's, YGM's, etc and comedy like Crazy Mohan's & S.Ve.Sekar's dramas) are available now as VCDs & DVDs. So why would ppl bother watching a drama on Pothigai - with the same set, same curtains, same furniture & props, same echoing studio sound, and same actors?

quite to my point.are they so popular as they were once?who are the newbies?i dont want madras players stuff.what happened to those rajaparts and sankaradas followers?are amateur troupes in full swing?are they loitering around kodambakkam watching sivaji posters?Is drama at the verge of extinction after s.ve or crazy?what kind of sabha atmosphere(excluding margazhi)exists in chennai?do tamizh sangam of delhi,singapore,KL,US,Uk,etc call such ones now?what virtually happened to that zenithed arena?all these are an outburst after a show of koothu,villupaatu,pulivesham and silambattam in chennai-77,my locale.answers?

[VENKIRAJA]

good idea ! நல்ல யோசனை ! :P

( no chatting ! :evil: :hammer: :notthatway: :yes: )
i changed my mind,chatting allowed:after all who am i to block u?lets have fun here.

discussion topic:
stories forum at the hub:comments and suggestions to improve it.

[Wibha]

nee sonna joke-kku naanga sirikkanum,neeye sirichukka koodaathu.examukku padikalaiya raasa?

crazy mohan doesn't perform anymore i guess.but der was one of his performances in LA last yr :roll:

[VENKIRAJA]

his old serials are still telecasted in podhigai chanel of doordarshan.Jaya too holds one.

[VENKIRAJA]

START MEESIC!

RENEWAL OF THIS THREAD AS A FULL-TIME CHAT THREAD(RESTRICTED TO STORIES)................

[Wibha]

:boo:

endha music?

[madhu]

:boo:

endha music?

a..dandanakka.. aa. danakkunakka.. :boo:

[pavalamani pragasam]

:lol:

[Wibha]

madhu anna :notthatway:

venki vandha varutha paduvaaru

paadariyean padipariyean andha music :exactly:

[madhu]

madhu anna :notthatway:

venki vandha varutha paduvaaru

paadariyean padipariyean andha music :exactly:

okie..

tharannanna... naaa.. aaaa.. nana... tharannannO...

mA pa ni dha pA dha ma pa ma ga ri
ma ga ri sA ni dha pa ma pa ni dha ni
ri sa ri mA ga ri ma ga rI ga sa ri ma pa
ni dhA ga pa ri ga ri sa ri ma ma pA

ok-vA ? :musicsmile:

[VENKIRAJA]

madhu anna :notthatway:

venki vandha varutha paduvaaru

paadariyean padipariyean andha music :exactly:

then lets start from your signature itself.kahlil gibran ahem?
lets start with ............ 2 choices:
1.translations.
2.what do u think about repetitions of poets?

no answers needed necessarily,lets better start talking.

[Wibha]

madhu anna :lol:

venki start pannalaam :D

but yaaravudhu modhala aaraminga :? :oops:

[VENKIRAJA]

கவிதைகளில் 'மீண்டும்'களை கொஞ்சம் உரசலாம். வைரமுத்துவை எடுத்துக்கொள்வோம்.
"இடம் மாறும் இதயம்" என்பது அவருக்கு மிகப் பிடித்த சொல்லாடல்.நேற்று வந்த "வாஜி வாஜி வாஜி என் ஜீவன் சிவாஜி"யில் கூட இந்த உவமை இடம் பெறுகிறது.மேலும் ராக்கிதேவாவின் அபிமான பாடல் "பனிவிழும் மலர்வனத்திலும்" இதயம் இடம் மாறுகிறது.வைரமுத்துவுக்கு வார்த்தைப் பஞ்சம் ஏற்படும் போது இந்த தொடரைப் போட்டு என்னை தேவையில்லாமல் இம்சிக்கிறார்.மேலும் இதே போல் சில மீண்டும்களை நாம் விரிவாக அசை போடலாம்.

[Wibha]

kind request..please write it in english :oops:

[VENKIRAJA]

kind request..please write it in english :oops:

kavithaigaLil meendumkaLai eduthukkoLvOm.vairamuthu.ivarukku pidithamAna sollAtalkaLul onRu "itam mARum ithayamE..."theevakumAranukku piditha"panivizum malarvanathil..." thodangiya ithodar inRu varai "vAji vAji vAji en jIvan sivaji.."varai thotarkiRathu.itaiyil kUda pathu paatlaLil ithE thodarai kEtathAga nyabagam.ithE pOl anbarkaL piRa mIndumgaLai kURalAm.asai pOdalAm.

[Wibha]

:ty:

[Shakthiprabha.]

intha aLavu naan aarainthathillai.. :? Interesting

[VENKIRAJA]

innoru example tharattuma,regarding vairamuthu's repetition:
ilamai song from varalaaru has this line:
"idhayathin surukangal ithazgalin isthiriyil
mella mella maraiyattume"

andangakka kondakkari from anniyan has these lines:
"eera othattila soodu parappi isthiri podendi"

[madhu]

ezhuthaNumnu mattumthAn thONRadhu..
aanA enna ezhuthaNumnu thONaliyE :cry2:

[VENKIRAJA]

what do u think about :poets suttufying poems?
i'll give u an example,vairamuthu wrote "aaram viralaai pena kaetten" in satham illatha thanimai kaeten of amarkalam,it is supposedly the intro stanza of abdul rehman's paalveedhi.

[pavalamani pragasam]

'centimetre sirippu' repeat aachO?

[VENKIRAJA]

'centimetre sirippu' repeat aachO?
endha paadalgal ammaiyaare?

[pavalamani pragasam]

One Vijay song- some silly love song -ava siricha pachai thanni blah blah, another I can't recall, but I remember the phrase was repeated a second time. Film song buffs should know! VM goes out of the way to get some very weird, unheard of, NOT VERY POETICAL imagery! Esp. his Tanglish songs like Cadbury's kasakkuthE, oorvasi oorvasi oosi pOla udambirunthaa... Jhoot before some VM fan ponces on me to tear me to pieces. :wink:
I suppose my palate has every right to its preferences!!!! :wink: Many of the new lyrics are making a mockery of the language!!!! And the audience's refinement!!!

[VENKIRAJA]

One Vijay song- some silly love song -ava siricha pachai thanni blah blah, another I can't recall, but I remember the phrase was repeated a second time. Film song buffs should know! VM goes out of the way to get some very weird, unheard of, NOT VERY POETICAL imagery! Esp. his Tanglish songs like Cadbury's kasakkuthE, oorvasi oorvasi oosi pOla udambirunthaa... Jhoot before some VM fan ponces on me to tear me to pieces. :wink:
I suppose my palate has every right to its preferences!!!! :wink: Many of the new lyrics are making a mockery of the language!!!! And the audience's refinement!!!
u are terribly mistaken.all are silly songs.

[P_R]

anyone here ?

[VENKIRAJA]

now here

[Wibha]

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venki who's in ur avatar :roll:

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[ThalaNass]

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venki who's in ur avatar :roll:

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Arshita, ithu kooda teriyaama irukka.. :shock: Mr Bean.. :lol:

[VENKIRAJA]

கவிதை உரைநடை:வித்தியாசப்படுவது எப்படி? :roll:

[madhu]

கவின்சொற்கள் தாமாகப் பொங்குவதே கவிதை

- wordsworth

[pavalamani pragasam]

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[P_R]

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:-)
இப்பொ தான் சன் டி.வி.யில் ஒரு 'கவிதை' விழா பார்த்தேன். குப்பை. உடைத்துப் போடப்பட்ட உரைநடை கூட உருப்படி இல்லை.
கேட்டாலே தெரிகிற்து அந்த கவிதை(!) உழைக்காமல் இழைக்காமல் எழுதப்பட்டது.புத்திசாலித்தனமாக ஒரு உவமானம் தோன்றினால், அதை வரி வரியாக பிரித்து எழுதிவிட்டால் அது கவிதையாம். அதை எழுதியவர் 'வித்தக'க் கவிஞராம். :curse:

[Shakthiprabha.]

உரைநடை உடைத்து போடுவது மட்டுமல்ல கவிதை.

உவமானம் உவமேயம் கவித்துவம் நிறைந்த எதுவும் கவிதை தான்.

கவித்துவம் இல்லாத சொற்கட்டுக்கள் அல்லது எதுகை மோனைகள் மட்டும் கவிதைகள் எப்படி ஆகிவிட முடியும்?

[VENKIRAJA]

கவின்சொற்கள் தாமாகப் பொங்குவதே கவிதை

- wordsworth

try buying a 12th standard tamizh text book which has 8 wonderful essays.in the third essay by s.vaiyaburi pillai,entitled kavithai,explains what is a poem,more specifically marabu kavithai.he says that all english poets have not defined poetry,but have just written poems on poetry.the definitions he quoted were rendered by coleridge,keats,ruskin,wordsworth if i'm right.he also gives one poem by bavanathi munivar wich says as cooking makes the tastes of different patharthams into one nice to lick flavour,so should a poem reneder a sweet tone coupled by a sensible choice of words.finally he ends the essay with a kambar poetry.
i should have not given that book(in toto 54kgs of four of my classmates)in exchange to a paltry Rs.5 per kg.

[P_R]

உரைநடை உடைத்து போடுவது மட்டுமல்ல கவிதை.

உவமானம் உவமேயம் கவித்துவம் நிறைந்த எதுவும் கவிதை தான்.
மிக விரிவான, பலவற்றையும் சேர்த்துக் கொள்ளும் வகைபடுத்துதல். இதில் 'கவித்துவம்' அவரவர் தேர்வு சார்ந்தது என்பதால் தெளிவாக வகைபடுத்துவது இன்னும் கஷ்டம். இருந்தாலும் முயல்வோம்:

வாசகனுக்கு 'அழகு' என்று தோன்றுவதை 'கவித்துவம்' என்று கொள்வோம். அப்பிடியென்றால் அழகான ஒரு கருத்து/உவமானம்/காட்சி சித்தரிப்பு வரிகள் பிரித்து எழுதப்பட்டால் அது கவிதை ஆகிவிடுமா ?

உதாரணமாக:

கட்சி விட்டு
கட்சி தாவும்
அரசியல்வாதிகளுக்கு
குரங்கை
சின்னமாக கொடுத்தால்
என்ன
?

மேற்சொன்ன இந்த கவிதையில் ஒரு புன்முறுவலைத் தரும் கருத்து இருப்பது உண்மை. ஆனால் இது கவிதை வடிவை அடைந்துவிட்டது என்று தபால் அட்டை வாங்கி வாரமலருக்கு அனுப்பினால் கடுமையான தண்டனை கிடைக்கும்: அதை உலகம் பார்க்க பிரசுரித்து விடுவார்கள் !

[pavalamani pragasam]

:rotfl:

[madhu]

தாவும் அரசியல்வாதிகளுக்கு
சின்னம் குரங்கு என்றால்
கட்சிகளின் சின்னம்
மரக்கொம்பா ?

:rotfl2: :rotfl2:`

[Wibha]

:?

[VENKIRAJA]

உரைநடை உடைத்து போடுவது மட்டுமல்ல கவிதை.

உவமானம் உவமேயம் கவித்துவம் நிறைந்த எதுவும் கவிதை தான்.
மிக விரிவான, பலவற்றையும் சேர்த்துக் கொள்ளும் வகைபடுத்துதல். இதில் 'கவித்துவம்' அவரவர் தேர்வு சார்ந்தது என்பதால் தெளிவாக வகைபடுத்துவது இன்னும் கஷ்டம். இருந்தாலும் முயல்வோம்:

வாசகனுக்கு 'அழகு' என்று தோன்றுவதை 'கவித்துவம்' என்று கொள்வோம். அப்பிடியென்றால் அழகான ஒரு கருத்து/உவமானம்/காட்சி சித்தரிப்பு வரிகள் பிரித்து எழுதப்பட்டால் அது கவிதை ஆகிவிடுமா ?

உதாரணமாக:

கட்சி விட்டு
கட்சி தாவும்
அரசியல்வாதிகளுக்கு
குரங்கை
சின்னமாக கொடுத்தால்
என்ன
?

மேற்சொன்ன இந்த கவிதையில் ஒரு புன்முறுவலைத் தரும் கருத்து இருப்பது உண்மை. ஆனால் இது கவிதை வடிவை அடைந்துவிட்டது என்று தபால் அட்டை வாங்கி வாரமலருக்கு அனுப்பினால் கடுமையான தண்டனை கிடைக்கும்: அதை உலகம் பார்க்க பிரசுரித்து விடுவார்கள் !

sujaatha sonnathu thaane?

[P_R]

ஆமாம். கணையாழி இதழில் கடைசி பக்கத்தில் அவர் எழுதியது. கவிதைக்கு அடியில் : "என்னய்யா விளையாடுகிறீர்களா ?" :lol:

[VENKIRAJA]

you tell ur points on the distinct features of prose/poetry PR,I'll follow(installing fonts now...)

[P_R]

you tell ur points on the distinct features of prose/poetry PR,I'll follow(installing fonts now...)
Not sure if I will be able to do that.
It is one of those thin lines.
I would like to claim that I am not interested in any modern (!) poems without a rhythm. But I will myself furnish examples of good poems that squash the rule.

But in general, rhythm makes one curtial the tendency of just writing whatever occurs: a flash of thought/idea/imagery/piece of didactic wisdom etc. For instance the 'poem' quoted is a complete sentence written in 7 separate lines. There is nothing for the reader to come in and fill. Even prepositions and conjuctions - preferably avoided in short poems- are given to ensure complete communication.

Which is why I second SujAtha's rhetorical question.

[VENKIRAJA]

what do u guys think of this poem:
"கை கால் கழுத்து உடல்
எல்லாவற்றையும் ஈரம் போகத் துடைத்துவிட்டேன்
இந்த நாக்கை என்ன செய்வது"

[pavalamani pragasam]

mental maathiri irukku!!!!

[pavalamani pragasam]

Some prose is so poetic to read with pleasure & some poetry is so prosaic making the reader tired & angry!

[Shakthiprabha.]

what do u guys think of this poem:
"கை கால் கழுத்து உடல்
எல்லாவற்றையும் ஈரம் போகத் துடைத்துவிட்டேன்
இந்த நாக்கை என்ன செய்வது"

nalla illai.

Did he really try to CONVEY something LIKE A PUNCH, thro this poetry?

It went beyond me to UNDERSTAND what could be the PUNCH?

may be HE IS NOT ABLE TO get control on FOOD?

:?

or MAY BE something which tries to say...

EXTERNAL dirt / appliaction can be CLENSED...
what abotu SOMETHING INHERENT? dirt which reflects INNERSELF?

:?

itha kavithaikku ivLo yosikarathu jasthiyo?

[VENKIRAJA]

am planning for a long essay,but only after 4 such poems.lets see how u guys comment:

"நீ
இருக்கும் திசைக்கு
முகம்காட்டி
உன் சதுரமான எதிர்பார்ப்பின் மேல்
பூக்காது தொட்டிப்பூ

பூப்ப்பூத்தல் அதன் இஷ்டம்
போய்ப்பார்த்தல் உன் இஷ்டம்"

[P_R]

Beautiful.

One of my favourites by one of my favourites :-)
More later

[VENKIRAJA]

jus wanted to know whether a poet makes any impact on the poem.cos if i hear someone reciting it the VM way,i abstain from hearing it straight.pa.vijay does it!

[P_R]

jus wanted to know whether a poet makes any impact on the poem.Yes. I read KalyAnji more carefully than I would bother to read a newbie attempting verse. Unfair, yes...but my reason is simple: I have had some lovely poems from him in the past, so when I read something new from him I go that extra mile. And it is not about established poets vs. newbies. There are several 'established' poets whom I have very rarely enjoyed. After sufficient sampling I am less receptive and do not make several re-read attempts.

A poem, IMO, begins in the reader after the last line is read. He slowly chews on the words and sees the images and ideas spring forward. This is why I do not understand kaviyarangams/poetry reading-sessions at all.

Often one expands/dwells on e part of the poem at the expense of another. Thia may be because of myopia and/or because that part tapped something close to the reader. After all most poetry is about writing of things we all know in ways we didn't think of. It is in this way I feel poems mean different things to different readers.

Now coming to the example. To begin with I'll have to admit there is no clear defintion. And all this analysis of why I like is completely ex-post. i.e. I don't go about making rules of 'what sort of poem appeals'. So this will only be a small exposition of (perhaps) how I came to like this poem.

பூப்ப்பூத்தல் அதன் இஷ்டம்
போய்ப்பார்த்தல் உன் இஷ்டம்

has got a clear rhythm to it. Apart from the broad context, excellent choice of words and telling imagery, the first appeal comes from the way the words in the two lines seem to bounce as you read them.

Another important thing in every goo poem (and many times to good stories) is to not say all.

உன் சதுரமான எதிர்பார்ப்பின் மேல

is a line that wouldn't make much sense unless one things of the unsaid window. And the poet - being one of the best in the business- makes the imagining easy for the reader. But he does not say everything.

[V.Annasamy]

உன் சதுரமான எதிர்பார்ப்பின் மேல

- nAlla pakkagaLilum- this way one can mean, as chaduram has to do with four...

More precisely, I think the kavithai is about Sun flower and it bends down to the earth. And the flower blossoms in all the directions.

[pavalamani pragasam]

I even see a message: don't expect to be spoon-fed! It is you who must adjust to others & not others to you!

[V.Annasamy]

PP

Your post is just after mine. I have not sent any msg. I have, as such, given my understanding about the poem, without even knowing about the author.

[pavalamani pragasam]

That is my comment on the poem, VA! :D

[Shakthiprabha.]

Quite a good one.

சதுரமான எதிர்பார்ப்பு may mean a square shaped vase ( to be pictorial)

or

FLAT/BLUNT/ raw expectation one has on others.

___

ppmaam has the messege right!

PPL HAVE THEIR OWN sweet ways. THEY CANT BEND TO URS.

or...

Things are not easy in life, WORK FOR IT. DONT wait for it to work on u.

[VENKIRAJA]

SP anni naan kandupidichitten:bread/jam!(did anyone do that b4?)
that was easy due to my arch exam exercises.unidentifiable objects at angles:very tough ones.this seemed easy.oops:i didn't bother to wait for u to say "yes"!

are the comments over?i'm done with my next poem too.
for me strangely,both poems i quoted got the same marks.don't know why!

[Shakthiprabha.]

venkiraja :roll:

THATS ONION!

:|

[VENKIRAJA]

venkiraja :roll:

THATS ONION!

:|
:oops2:
no problem.this is usual.

[VENKIRAJA]

Ok lemme tell u what arose in my mind when i was watching the thrilling balapareetchai :lol: between india and ireland.

Cricket is broadly categorised as test and one-day matches.Test matches are the ones which are eagerly played and huge contests held in abroad,whilst in India one-dayers are respected more,played more.Any spectator loves if a Test match is played like a one-day(i mean fast-scoring and wicket lag)whereas they spit when a one-day is playaed as sluggish as a test-match.

Hmmmm.....a recent form of the game is called 20-20 which is its shorter version.Haha!U got it i meant the haikus:in comparison to the shortest version of the game:the 20-20s.

[P_R]

Hmmmm.....a recent form of the game is called 20-20 which is its shorter version.Haha!U got it i meant the haikus:in comparison to the shortest version of the game:the 20-20s.Hmmm rather tempting comparison. But IMO brevity is all they have in common.
Haikus usually requires a lot of effort (on the part of the poet), in expression and shaping it. Most good ones comes from sharp talent, further sharpened by years of writing. When you say less, all the more pressure to say it right.

One of my favourite anecdotes is about Matsuo Basho, considered the father of Haiku. Apparently once he referred to a poem written several years ago and told his assistant that a word in that poem should be replaced. (By then the damage had been done and the poem had been already published).

Just imagine this.Chewing on the form of a poem, its words for so long,assessing whether the emotion has been expressed best, striving for that delicate balance between craft and spontaneity. Unbelievable. It may be obsessive to think of one word for so long. But it reflects the commitment and devotion of the poet to his creation.

It is only fair that a good haiku demands the same of the reader too. Though it is only natural that everyone is attracted to the shortest poems first, they are deceptive in their demands of our attention.

[VENKIRAJA]

Hmmmm.....a recent form of the game is called 20-20 which is its shorter version.Haha!U got it i meant the haikus:in comparison to the shortest version of the game:the 20-20s.Hmmm rather tempting comparison. But IMO brevity is all they have in common.
Haikus usually requires a lot of effort (on the part of the poet), in expression and shaping it. Most good ones comes from sharp talent, further sharpened by years of writing. When you say less, all the more pressure to say it right.

One of my favourite anecdotes is about Matsuo Basho, considered the father of Haiku. Apparently once he referred to a poem written several years ago and told his assistant that a word in that poem should be replaced. (By then the damage had been done and the poem had been already published).

Just imagine this.Chewing on the form of a poem, its words for so long,assessing whether the emotion has been expressed best, striving for that delicate balance between craft and spontaneity. Unbelievable. It may be obsessive to think of one word for so long. But it reflects the commitment and devotion of the poet to his creation.

It is only fair that a good haiku demands the same of the reader too. Though it is only natural that everyone is attracted to the shortest poems first, they are deceptive in their demands of our attention.

I think u got it:test match is prose and one-day is poetry i meant(u've gotta correspondingly compare)......

i meant:

onedayer<<>>poetry
test match<<>>prose
20 20<<>>haiku

okay? :huh:

[VENKIRAJA]

PR saw aaha enna porutham of gounder today?he was just excellent.i believe gounder is a real good man with a great sense of poetic imagery and vocabulary.also his ability to negatively-personify and metaphorize his woes or scoldings.i'm serious.

[P_R]

Kavinjar Gounder......kEkkavE nallA irukku :-)

"kakkakka kaakaavena kokkokka kOkOvena"........idhaRku viLakkam kandippAga adutha mEdaiyil naan solkiREn (WalterVetrivEl) :lol:

I agree that Gounder's choice of words to capture images sets him apart:
'kai edu man, thakkAli pazathu mEla tAr oothina maadhiri irukku' (when Vadivelu shakes Khushboo's hand in SingAravElan) :rotfl:

[VENKIRAJA]

Hmmmm.....a recent form of the game is called 20-20 which is its shorter version.Haha!U got it i meant the haikus:in comparison to the shortest version of the game:the 20-20s.Hmmm rather tempting comparison. But IMO brevity is all they have in common.
Haikus usually requires a lot of effort (on the part of the poet), in expression and shaping it. Most good ones comes from sharp talent, further sharpened by years of writing. When you say less, all the more pressure to say it right.

One of my favourite anecdotes is about Matsuo Basho, considered the father of Haiku. Apparently once he referred to a poem written several years ago and told his assistant that a word in that poem should be replaced. (By then the damage had been done and the poem had been already published).

Just imagine this.Chewing on the form of a poem, its words for so long,assessing whether the emotion has been expressed best, striving for that delicate balance between craft and spontaneity. Unbelievable. It may be obsessive to think of one word for so long. But it reflects the commitment and devotion of the poet to his creation.

It is only fair that a good haiku demands the same of the reader too. Though it is only natural that everyone is attracted to the shortest poems first, they are deceptive in their demands of our attention.

I think u got it:test match is prose and one-day is poetry i meant(u've gotta correspondingly compare)......

i meant:

onedayer<<>>poetry
test match<<>>prose
20 20<<>>haiku

okay? :huh:

PR reply me...

this is my third entry.....

"ஏதுமற்ற ஓடையை
வரைந்து செல்லும்
நீரைப் போல
காதலை வரைந்து செல்லும்
என் கவிதைகள்"
(தேன்மொழி)

[Shakthiprabha.]

WONDERFUL :clap:

Interested in knowing what perspective or understanding did this poetry bring in each one of us?

[VENKIRAJA]

YEAH BECAUSE,THESE POEMS DON'T HAVE SOUND SYNC.
THEY ARE ALL POST-MODERNISM ERA'S CONTRIBUTIONS.
THE BASIC ENTITY OF DISTINCTION BETWEEN PROSE/POETRY FOR THESE PEOPLE IS THEY SAY WORDS USED AND THE PITCH OF THE NARRATION.
WANTED TO KNOW HOW POETRY HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED.I MEANT IN THE ATTITUDE OF READERS.
WANTED TO COMMENT BASED ON OBSERVATIONS.
I THINK 2 POEMS STILL.BOTH WILL BE POSTED TOMORROW.

[P_R]

onedayer<<>>poetry
test match<<>>prose
20 20<<>>haiku

okay? Huh?!

Hmm....... if you are comparing just the length then perhaps the analogy may be valid. That far but not much further.

A suththu party who has his way in 20-20 will get found out in Test cricket. OTOH the degree of skill and effort required to write a haunting short poem is often several times more than the demands made on a novelist who has some more elbow room. His challenges challenges are phenomenal too - that's another story.


"ஏதுமற்ற ஓடையை
வரைந்து செல்லும்
நீரைப் போல
காதலை வரைந்து செல்லும்
என் கவிதைகள்"
(தேன்மொழி)
Nice imagery but am unable to enjoy the analogy. The marks in the now-dry stream reflect a past. The love poems do not necessarily seem to connect to a past.

But more important than all this is the fact that I am asking such silly logical questions. It is because I have not been swept off my feet by the poem. When that happens, there are just no questions to ask :-)

[VENKIRAJA]

The last two:

"ஆலகாலத்திற்கே
பாற்கடல் கடைந்தோம்
அமுதம் வந்தது
அவசரமாய்க் குடித்து
விக்கிச் செத்தோம்"
-அப்துல் இரகுமான்.

"கண் தெரியாத சிறுமி
படியிறங்கிக்கொண்டிருக்கிறாள்
அவளது நடையில்
பதிமூன்றாம் படிக்கப்புறம்
பதினைந்தாம் படி வராத வரை
அவள் பத்திரமாகவே படியிறங்குகிறாள்"
-மனுஷ்யபுத்ரன்.