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[Badri]

[tscii:d0365f516b]Hmm, nadaimurayil silar sandhikkum parithaaba kadhai thaan ithu.

Engalukku therintha oru pennum ithey nilayil agapattu, ippozhothu avanai divorce panni vittal. Nalla velai, intha kathayir vanthathu pola, avalukku avapeyaru yethum varavillai.

Anaal, intha vishayathai kelvi utra en manaivikkum enakkum appozhuthu orey sindhanai thonriyathu. Thiruman enbathu etharkaaga? Verum palliarai sugathirkaagava?

Manam mudithathu nanbargal pola vaazhvatharkaa enru kekka patirukirathu. Aanal, unmayil paarthaal, kanavan manavi - ivargalin natpu unnathamaana natpu allava? Avalukku avanum, avanukku avalumaaga antha natpu illai endral, manam mudithenna payan?

Illaram illavittalum, inimayana natpirukkirathey? Manapathin munbu, iruvarum verum pechil sugam kandanarey!

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Antha suvai engum poga villaye?

Meetuvor meetuvatharku uruvana verum oru porul thaana penn?
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[Designer]

[tscii:ba0dd95067]PP Madam : Kathai nanraaga irukkirathu. Yethaarthamaai irukkirathu - mElum padikka aavalai thoondivitteeRgaL ! :)


Illaram illavittalum, inimayana natpirukkirathey? Manapathin munbu, iruvarum verum pechil sugam kandanarey!

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Antha suvai engum poga villaye?

Badri : Kalyanathuku munne avaRgaL pEchil sugam kaNdanar, unmai than. Aanal, atharku piragu ovvorutharukum vaazhvin inbathai anubavikkum aasai alaiyaai mOthum. Niraya ethirpaarpugaL irukkum. ethu iyarkaiyai nadakkavEndumO, adthu nadakkaavittaal yEmaatRam than minjum. Sila kaalangaL nanbargaLaaga sErnthu vaazha mudiyum. Aanaal vaazhnaaL muzhuvathum appadi seiyya iyalaathu.[/tscii:ba0dd95067]

[Badri]

Designer, neengal solvathu mostly unmai thaan, marukka villai.

Anaal, oru vishayam mattum yerru kolla mudiyaathu.


Sila kaalangaL nanbargaLaaga sErnthu vaazha mudiyum

Actually, in the long run enru paarthaal, sila kaalam thaan iyarkaiyai pin patra mudiyum. atharku pin nanbargal thaan! Illarathil natpu thaan nilaikkumey thavira illara sugam enbathu sila kaalam thaan!

Aanaal enna seyvathu? Unarchigalin vegam intha unmaiyai maraithu vidugirathu.

Maruthuva sigichaiyal new hope pirakka neraya vaipugal ullana. Adipadayaaga natpirunthaal, pennukku porumai varum. Illai endral, naan kooriya antha couple-ai pola aagividum. Wait panna avalukku porumai illa. Naan yemanthu vitten endra aathiram thaan enjiyathu, divorce-il mudinthathu!

[Designer]

Badri : NeengaL solvathu migavum sari, Kanavan-Manaivi nanbaRgaLai pOlathaan vaazhavEndum, atharku iyarkayum oru kaaraNamaaga irukkirathu. Naan solvathu ennavendRal, antha Natpu uruvavatharku, illara sugam oru adippadaiyaana vishyam enRu naan karuthugiREn. Antha sugathai oruvarukkoruvar parimaari anubavithuvittaal, atharkaaga yEkkam irukkaathu, peNNukkum seri aaNukkum seri. Iruvarukkum anbendRa paalam amaiyvatharkku, natpu uruvaavatharku, illara sugam mukkiyam enRu naan karuthugiREn.

Aanal neengaL solvathu pOl, antha peNN innum konjam porumai kaathurunthaal, nilamai seri seiyya mudinthirukkum.

[Badri]

Aanal neengaL solvathu pOl, antha peNN innum konjam porumai kaathurunthaal, nilamai seri seiyya mudinthirukkum.

Exactly! Verum sugathai parimarikolvathaal mattum natpu valarumaa? Appadi endral, namathu mattra nanbargal eppadi uruvanaargal? Porumai thaan natpirku ilakkanam.

After all, a friend is someone who can accept you for what you are, and to do that, he/she must be able to put up with your individual quirks that make you uniquely you! This is true for any friend.

And that is true for married life as well. The ability to adjust to each other, and more importantly, to have the required patience to learn that adjustment. Relationships happen over time, by constantly and patiently working on them.

[pavalamani pragasam]

Badri, I am surprised by your views about marriage! Also saddened at your not recognising a serious, incurable(almost, I hear) medical problem. I am deeply moved by 2 such instances in our close circle (in both cases the girls side near to me, hence my more sympathetic understanding of the girls' plight). This is NOT a question of being patient or not. It is pathological, with no known treatment yet. Badri, I am really disappointed at your not being fair to the fair sex!

[Badri]

Badri, I am surprised by your views about marriage! Also saddened at your not recognising a serious, incurable(almost, I hear) medical problem. I am deeply moved by 2 such instances in our close circle (in both cases the girls side near to me, hence my more sympathetic understanding of the girls' plight). This is NOT a question of being patient or not. It is pathological, with no known treatment yet. Badri, I am really disappointed at your not being fair to the fair sex!


:shock:

I was under the impression there would probably be a cure! I did not know it was incurable! And hence I thought the girls were being a bit too impatient, that is all!

And I am not still convinced that it is really incurable, Mrs PP. Err...I am thinking we are speaking about the same condition!!! :oops:

[Badri]

Meetuvor meetuvatharku uruvana verum oru porul thaana penn?

Mrs PP: Enathu intha kaelvikku bathil?

[pavalamani pragasam]

In both the instances I referred to, both the brides & grooms were engineers, one of the girl's father died of heart attack after the misfortune, another girl's parents are yet to recover from the trauma.

[pavalamani pragasam]

Badri, my answer lies in this:
"Badri, I am surprised by your views about marriage!"

[sipi]

PP, தங்கள் கதை அருமையாக கவிதை நடையில் இருந்தது.

me too agree with badri... more than a sex, there is lot in the life... sexual life is for just a small period... apart from this, life is filled with love...

andha penn seidhadhu naan thappu nu solla.. but, 100% correct illa... oru vela second marriage senjikiranga, andha second person um seri illaina? 3rd aa??? appo edhu marriage nu oru vishayam... marriage illamale kidaikume???

and designer, some thing pointed about nature... nature gives sexual feeling, only to give birth to the child not to enjoy other thoughts... we are spoiling it...

naama ella vishayathilum iyarkai ya thaandi thaan pooi irukom... adhula idhuvum onnu...

idhu aan aadhikamo or kalacharam pathina vishayamo illa... idhu anbu sambandha pattadhu.... badri sonna maadhiri, natpu aa irukuradhu... naan kelvi patta varaikum yaarum onnum 24 hrs thaambathiyathulaiye irukuradhu illa...

ennudaiya kelvi um idhu thaan...



Meetuvor meetuvatharku uruvana verum oru porul thaana penn?
Mrs PP: Enathu intha kaelvikku bathil?

indha conclusion kum unga karuvum sambandhame illaiye...

anyway, apart from the concept... the style u written the story is marvelous...

[Badri]

Sipi! :)

Mrs PP -oda surprise at my comments made me think I was in the wrong!
Nalla vela, you too share my sentiments!

Neenga kaetta kaelvi 100% right!


oru vela second marriage senjikiranga, andha second person um seri illaina? 3rd aa??? appo edhu marriage nu oru vishayam... marriage illamale kidaikume???



anyway, apart from the concept... the style u written the story is marvelous...

Miga azhagaaga sindhanai thoondum vannam ezhuthuvathu Mrs PP-ku kai vantha kalai! :)

Avangaludaya mattra kathaigalayum padiyungal! Rombavey rasipeenga!

[pavalamani pragasam]

:notworthy:

[Designer]

PP, தங்கள் கதை அருமையாக கவிதை நடையில் இருந்தது.

me too agree with badri... more than a sex, there is lot in the life... sexual life is for just a small period... apart from this, life is filled with love...

andha penn seidhadhu naan thappu nu solla.. but, 100% correct illa... oru vela second marriage senjikiranga, andha second person um seri illaina? 3rd aa??? appo edhu marriage nu oru vishayam... marriage illamale kidaikume???

and designer, some thing pointed about nature... nature gives sexual feeling, only to give birth to the child not to enjoy other thoughts... we are spoiling it...

naama ella vishayathilum iyarkai ya thaandi thaan pooi irukom... adhula idhuvum onnu...

idhu aan aadhikamo or kalacharam pathina vishayamo illa... idhu anbu sambandha pattadhu.... badri sonna maadhiri, natpu aa irukuradhu... naan kelvi patta varaikum yaarum onnum 24 hrs thaambathiyathulaiye irukuradhu illa...

ennudaiya kelvi um idhu thaan...


Sip & Badri : I think i have not been able to convey properly my views. I didn't say sex is the be all and end all of married life. what i meant was, it IS ESSENTIAL in married life - atleast in initial years. Practically speaking, in modern times, if a person doesnt find sexual fulfilment in marriage, there'a high possibility that he might go astray. Or as in case of women (for eg the lady in the story), the marriage will break up.

If sex was not required for procreation, Mother Nature wouldn't have included it in the first place, with the pleasure element in it. For the initial bond between a married couple to become strong and grow into understanding & friendship, sexual bond is ALSO necessary, atleast in the initial stages of marriage. In many real life instances i have seen, the husband becomes bed ridden due to some disease or, becomes 'not functional' after some years. In such cases, the marriages have held strong bcos the couple had crossed the sexual barrier too. And there was no more feeling of lacking something, either for the husband or the wife. Morover, in married life, even in love marriages, there arise many misunderstandings and grouses between the couple. And such problems get magnified if there's lack of sex in the relationship. Again i am talking about the initial stages of married life.

Only in rare cases, one may find instances where the wife or husband has not been able to fulfil the nuptial duties properly, and the marriage remained successful - WITHOUT either partner seeking fulfilment outside marriage. And i havent seen any such real life couples in modern times.

[pavalamani pragasam]

:yes: :ty:

[VENKIRAJA]

madam,u're a agelong member of this hub.i'm respecting u as my tutor here.today i read a story by my friend(abilash,whose poems were in the contest thread)about prostitutes.urs is about a destitute.as my comment went into deaf ears i've to post it again here.overall a good story.perhaps ure girl is in the midtream of puthumaippen and vaazhaavetti,excellent portrayal through words was appreciable,though an unsatisfaction comes in the climax.it could have been more rock-solid.

[pavalamani pragasam]

It is a pleasure to see so many views on a new issue! Let us wake up from our shameful lethargy/complacence!

[sipi]

Sipi! :)

Mrs PP -oda surprise at my comments made me think I was in the wrong!

appadi illa badri, avanga ippadi oru story ezhudhinadhu sadharnama femine gender ku iyarkaiya irukura paridhaba unarchi thaan... vera oru ponnu kashpaduradha parthadhum ilagiduvanga... (adhunala thaan mega serials ellam uyiroda iruku) neenga mention panna andha lady kooda adhuku appuram kooda, avasara pattadha ninaichi irukalam... (yaaru kanda..)


Nalla vela, you too share my sentiments!
Neenga kaetta kaelvi 100% right!

:notworthy:


oru vela second marriage senjikiranga, andha second person um seri illaina? 3rd aa??? appo edhu marriage nu oru vishayam... marriage illamale kidaikume???

idhu mattum illa badri, oru vela second marriage seidhadhuku appuram, andha second husband idha pathi kuthi kaata maatannum solla mudiyadhu... andha problem um andha girl face panna vendi irukum... :(



Miga azhagaaga sindhanai thoondum vannam ezhuthuvathu Mrs PP-ku kai vantha kalai! :)
Avangaludaya mattra kathaigalayum padiyungal! Rombavey rasipeenga!

oh.. sure!!!... i will try to read it, whenever i got a time... :)

[sipi]

hi designer...

whether I or badri, understand your views.. we didnt against to that... naangalum adhe thaan sollurom... but, ore oru vishayam... sex life paadhika padum bodhu kooda unmaiya anbu irundha adhu periya vishayama theriyadhu... neenga sonna maadhiri, first oru mutual understanding sex thevai paduthune vachipom.. namma parents mela, siblings, childrens, frineds ivanga ellar kittaiyum andha vishayam illamale anbu varudhe designer??? sex = appadingra body addiction naamala erpaduthikinadhu thaan... naamala adha kattu padutha mudiyadhu adhu thevai ninaichadhu thaan reason ey thavira vera edhuvum illa...

designer, life la konjam kooda sex experience illama sandhoshama vazhndhudalam.. .but, namma mela unmaiya anbu vaika yaarum illama vazhuradhu kashtam...

adhu mattum illama, andha problem onnum theerkave padamudiyadha vishayam illaiye, ippo medical science evalavo munneri iruku...

naanga andha ponnu senjadha thappu nu sollala, avaluku avaloda life pathi mudivu edukura muzhu urimai iruku. but, endha nilamai, reason nu oru vishayam iruku...

naan girl nu mattum sollala... idhe story ya oru boy aa vachi ezhudhina kooda naan idhe thaan solluven...

[sipi]

hi venki...

PP, nalla kavidhai ezhudhuvangannu theriyum... but, ippo thaan kadhaiyum supera ezhudhuvangannu therinjadhu....

[Badri]

Good views coming out of this thought provoking thead.

Another aspect to be considered here is it is not just the women who is the victim. The husband too has no pleasure out of the marriage!

Oru velai intha dysfunction kalyanathirku apparam aayirundha? Here the assumption is unmaya marachi, kalyanam pannirukaanga. What if the whole thing happened after the wedding? What if the man was in good health before?

Kashtamo sugamo, rendu perum sernthu pagirnthu kollvathu thaaney dhaampathyam? Avanukku vantha kashtam avanudayathu, naan yaen athil badhikka pada vendum endru kaettal, piragu yetharku thirumanam?

[crazy]

:) :roll:

[sipi]

edhuku confusion crazy???

[sipi]

PP, naanga unga story ku against comment pannom nu thavaraga ninaika vendam... verum story ya parkum bodhu, arbudhamana karu... unarvugalai thatti ezhupura kadhai... aana, oru kadhai verum kadhai ya maatum mostly eduthukuradhu illa... ella kadhaigalileyum naama society ku solla pora vishayam mukiyamanadha iruku...

(hmm,... enaku kadhai ezhudha theriyadhu, so advice panra alavuku arivum illa, theiriyamum illa... but, kadhaigal padikiradhula niraiya interest iruku... so, ennudai karuthukalai mattume solgiren..) :)

neenga solra vishayam, correct nu eduthukitta... naama ivalo varushama katti kaapathina vara oru vishayam miss aagidum... adhu culture illa... adhu uruvugal mel irukura pinaipu...

innaikum western countries, nammala parthu bramichu nikiradhu.. nammaloda culture mattum illa... naama, namma uruvugal kitta erpaduthi irukura pinaipu .... 5 mins sandhoshathukaga, life long kidaika pora oru nimmadhi, anbu, uravu idha izhandhuda koodadhu...

[crazy]

illai anna inga marriage patthi niraya pesureenga, enakku onnume puriyala sollavum theriyala athaan confusion :)

[sipi]

hahaha... marriage pathi pesala, crazy... human relationship pathi thaan sollurom... :)

[pavalamani pragasam]

Sipi, the disagreements here mainly rise, I think, because of a certain generation gap or in other words how such a problem( very very rare one) is viewed from the angle of parents. A girl child is to her parents Bharathi's own Kannamma, chinnanjchiRu kiLi, selva kaLanjsiyam etc. This story is based on real life. 2 girls of families closely known to us happened to be affected in this way. Both girls were engineers, as also the grooms. One of the girls' father died of heart attack after the misfortune. The parents of another girl are yet to recover from the trauma. I reveal this background for my story for you to understand how 'this' also is included in the conjugal rights of a girl! Nobody will like being caught unawares in such a predicament, after all is said & done!

[sipi]

PP, naan solla vandhadha neenga thavara purinjikittinga... andha rendu girls'um baadhika pattadhu varuthamana vishayam thaan... illainu sollala... marriage aana odane therinja vishayam... badri, sonna maadhiri oru 5 yrs vazhndhadhuku appuram oru accident la edhavadhu aagi irundha???

adhuvum illama, generation gap la edhuvum sollala... neenga bala kumaran stories padichi irukingala, idha vidavum penn mutretra sindhanaigal ezhudhi irukaru... adhu ellam ethu kolla mudinji iruku... idhu mattum thaaan oru nerudal...

marriage pannikama oru girl, thevaiyana podhum mattum sex... inga avaloda vishayam mattum thaam mukiyamanadha paduthu... adhe pola innoru girl, husband oda kaatu mirandi thanathala pirinji vandhuduva, avalum vera oruthana accept pannika mudivu pannuva.. marriage illama, cause, avala porutha varaikum freedom vendum... adimai thanam iruka koodadhu... indha concept ellam sex - avangaluku rendam patcham maadhiriye sitharika padum...

but, unga kadha ending la, idhu romba mukiyamana vishayam.. idhu illaina vendave vendam nu solra maadhiri iruku... adhan ivalo solluren.. :) thavaraga ninaithu kolla vendam...

generation gap edhuvum illa :) enna porutha varaikum edukura mudivu theermanamana, mudiva irukanum... life la ambition, achievement thaan vendum... marriage vendam.. sex thevai yana podhu irundha podhum... adhuku marraige vendam nu sonna.. ok..

but, marriage ngra oru uravu vendum... namma nesika oruthar vendum nu ninaikum bodhu... sex anga irandam patchama thaan irukanum....

enna porutha varaikum... marriage pannikiradhu, sex kaga illa... sex um mukiyama irukalam.. adhu oru part aavum irukalam... but, adhu reason kidaiyadhu...

[pavalamani pragasam]

Sipi, it is sensible to be practical in our concept of marriage, no use speaking hypothetically. FYKI I have never succeeded in bringing myself to appreciate/applaud presentday writers propagating revolutionary, feminist, women's emancipation ideas/solutions/narrations!!!!!!!!!

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PP, naan solla vandhadha neenga thavara purinjikittinga... andha rendu girls'um baadhika pattadhu varuthamana vishayam thaan... illainu sollala... marriage aana odane therinja vishayam... badri, sonna maadhiri oru 5 yrs vazhndhadhuku appuram oru accident la edhavadhu aagi irundha???

C.P. : pl read once more what i posted on 1st page which is relevant to this question you have asked :)

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=8812&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Shakthiprabha.]

[tscii:ab82a49f19]pp maam,

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I am still confused as to the view subtly hinted here.

Is relationship IMPORTANT for marital life?

My personal opinion is NO. Not necessary.

Plantonic relationships are quite possible too, it all depends on HOW MUCH WE LOVE the person.[/tscii:ab82a49f19]

[pavalamani pragasam]

SP, you are welcome to your view! :D

[Shakthiprabha.]

pp maam,

Leaving my view aside, I was clueless WHAT THE STORY subtly suggested :?

[pavalamani pragasam]

A rare kind of incurable(almost) impotency.

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Sipi, it is sensible to be practical in our concept of marriage, no use speaking hypothetically.

yEttu churakkaa , karikkudhavaadhunreengalaa :? but I am going with Sipi and Badri's view :) apdi irundhaa nallaa irukkum'nu thonudhu :P


FYKI I have never succeeded in bringing myself to appreciate/applaud presentday writers propagating revolutionary, feminist, women's emancipation ideas/solutions/narrations!!!!!!!!!

there is a border line.... if suppose the person ( who writers propagating revolutionary, feminist, women's emancipation ideas/solutions/narrations ) doent cross that line, I will appreciate/applaud :D I hope u too ?

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thangalin kadhai sollum thiran :bow: :bow:

ingu veenai enbadhu penpaalai mattum kurikkiradhaa :?

[pavalamani pragasam]

intha kathaiyil appadithaan!

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intha kathaiyil appadithaan!

adhu sari :?