YAAVARUM KAELHIR ( Tamilian - Culture & Social Issues)

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Topic started by R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (srivas34@yahoo.com) (@ ip68-0-198-105.ri.ri.cox.net) on Mon Oct 20 15:11:42 .


"Yaadhum Oorae, Yaavarum Kaelhir" is the Gospel of TAMILIAN-CULTURE. Right from the Ancient days of Humanity around the world, Tamilians have established this highly healthy Social-Culture of UNIVERSAL-LOVE.

Participants are invited to discuss on the relevant Issues, in the HEALTHY ASPECT and HEARTY-OUTLOOK, true to the spirit of the above TAMILIAN GOSPEL.

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"¾Á¢úò ¾¡ö ?"

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¾Á¢úò ¾¡öì ¸ÕòÐ ²ý?

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"THAALI"(Thirumaangalyam) in Marriage.

Is it an Ancient Tamilian's Custom?

Participants views are invited.

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Thirumaangalyam so called "THAALI" in Tamil is the Traditional Religious custom ever since the ancient days as well as during Sangaththamizh period.

One of the proofs for this belief is the Andal's Nachiyar Thirumozi sung during Sanga Kalam. In "Vaaranamaayiram" song Andal says:-

"¸¡ôÒ ¿¡ñ ¸ð¼ì ¸É¡ì¸ñ§¼ý §¾¡Æ¢ ¿¡ý"

And further from the wordings

...Å¡ö ¿øÄ¡÷ ¿øÄ Á¨È µ¾¢ Áó¾¢Ãò¾¡ø....±ý ¨¸ô ÀüÈ¢ò ¾£ÅÄõ ¦ºöÂì ¸É¡ì¸ñ§¼ý..."

...«õÁ¢ Á¢¾¢ì¸ì ¸É¡ì ¸ñ§¼ý..."

we can understand that the traditional Vedha-culture was uniform all over India, until foreign Muslim-invasions.


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Indian-Culture in general is the Vaedhic-Culture, the so called Hindu Religious Culture. And the Tamilian- Culture is no doubt a part of Indian Culture and almost similar to that Motherland's Culture in Content and Classification.

But if keenly observed, the Uniqueness of TAMILIAN-CULTURE can be noted prominently and effectively CONSPICUOUS amongst the diversity of Indian-Culture on the whole.

While the entire Indian-Culture is Spiritual-based with no lesser degree in the Tamilian-Culture, the noteworthy factor in Tamilan-Culture is .....

.... the higher degree of INTRICACY..

... in SPIRITUALISM... sans Renunciation

....stressing the Moral-Values..

....of Conscienceous and Judicious Life...

....ensuring the Hearty feel as ONE HUMAN

...amongst the VAST SOCIETY,

..IMBUED with the Spirit of EMPATHY..

..and UNIVERSAL-LOVE ensuring Social-concern...



.... properly availing the FOUR...

.. INNATE POTENTIALITIES.. Humans are born with

... to EARN the Means of Life for...

.. worthy MUDANE-LIVING ....ensuring

.. the True SUCCESS and HAPPINESS...

...meaningfully PROSPEROUS..by REALITY..for

.. duly performing the multifaceted DUTIES

...for Self, Family, Society and God

... with the least SACRIFICE...

... of neither the HUMAN-VALUES...

... nor the Righteous Living..

... and FINALLY seek the ULTIMATE GOAL...

... of LIBERATION FROM RE-BIRTH.

Such factors can be observed not only from their Ancient Customs and Civilisation but also in the Great Tamilian-Literature, which are the most AUTHENTIC PROOFS.

Right from the tender age of every Tamilian child the thought of Moral-values on Life is inculcated.

For example ..... the First sentence of the First Tamil Lesson for a Beginer-Student is....

«Èõ ¦ºÂ Å¢ÕõÒ. (Aram Seya Virumbu.)

Which means.....

" You must be constantly Thinking, Wishing and Intending to perform only a Moral-Life of RIGHTEOUSNESS."


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Unique TAMILIAN - CULTURE : "View through HEART"...

Swami Vivekananda was asked by one American: "Why your Hindu Religious Prophets Sankaracharya and Ramanujacharya speak contrarily preaching different Gospels on one and the same Religion of Hinduism?... Will it not be confusing to the disciples as to which one to be followed.?

Swamiji replied:" Basically the so called Hinduism is not at all one Religion but a Composite form of several divergent Gospels suiting to different Souls commensurate with Ones ability of Individual Faith, Approach and Perception..... Besides.....

Sankaracharya speaks through his Brain.... whereas...

Ramanujacharya speaks through his Heart... so both have got to be different.

And the people have the parallel options to chose any one of them.

Ramanujachaarya's Hearty Culture is and was the True and Eternal Culture of Tamilians .....ever from the date of Origination of their Culture.... from the period prior to the Birth of Ramanujachaarya.

This aspect can be ascertained from the underlying high spirit of Overall Tamil-Literature, far highly discernible from the Literatures of other Languages of India.

Some of the ancient Tamil poems of several centuries ago..... speaks for itself....

ÀøÄ¡ñÎ ÀøÄ¡ñÎ Àøġ¢Ãò¾¡ñÎ Àħ¸¡Ê áȡ¢Ãõ
ÁøÄ¡ñ¼ ¾¢ñ§¼¡û Á½¢Åñ½¡ ¯ý §ºÅÊ ¦ºùÅ¢ ¾¢Õ측ôÒ
«Ê§Â¡§Á¡Îõ ¿¢ý§É¡Îõ À¢Ã¢Å¢ýÈ¢ ¬Â¢Ãõ ÀøÄ¡ñÎ
ÅÊÅ¡ö ¿¢ý ÅÄ Á¡÷À¢É¢ø Å¡ú¸¢ýÈ Áí¨¸Ôõ ÀøÄ¡ñÎ
À¨¼§À¡÷ ÒìÌ ÓÆíÌõ «ôÀ¡ïººýÉ¢ÂÓõ ÀøÄ¡ñ§¼.

Says the Vaishnava-Devotee Periaazhwaar alias Vishnuchithar on the God Vishnu.

In this Poetry the Devotee not only describes Vishnu alongside the Beauties of His various Divine Possessions, Paraphernalias and Adorations but also blesses the Supreme God.

Have we ever heard or seen in any Religion in the world..... where the Devotee, so to say the Human-being blesses the God instead of seeking the God's Blessings!...... But NOT with Superiority-Complex.... but sheerly out of .... MUTUAL-LOVE..... further asserted by his HUMBLE-WORDS about self.

"±ø§Ä¡Õõ þýÒüÚ þÕì¸ ¿¢¨ÉôÀЧŠ«øÄ¡Áø §Å¦È¡ýÚ «È¢§Âý ÀáÀçÁ..."

Says Thaayumanavar a Saiva-Devotee....

Stating his Wishes addressing the God Shiva...... for the UNIVERSAL HAPPINESS..... and that he does not know anything other than that WISH !

«ý§À ¾¸Ç¢Â¡ ¬÷ŧÁ ¦¿ö¡¸
þýÒÕÌ º¢ó¨¾§Â þξ¢Ã¢Â¡
¿ýÒÕ¸¢ »¡Éîͼ÷ Å¢ÇìÌ ²üÈ¢§Éý
¿¡Ã½üÌ »¡Éò¾Á¢ú ÒÃ¢ó¾ »¡ý.

Says Poothathaazhwar another Vishnu-devotee

To mean..... that he worships the Lord Narayana with a Flame of Light.... out of a Hand-Lamp base depicted as LOVE.... Oil as the Spirit of ENTHUSIASM..... the burning cotton-chord as the PLEASANT THOUGHTS.

A few out of many such ones in Tamil-Literature..... highlights the spirit of HEARTY LOVE more than the Spirit of Devotion.

When such is the case while approaching the God Supreme as well as....

The vast mass of World-Society.....

What is the INNATE Propensity of the Tamilians ! and ...

How Great and Unparallel their Culture must be.....

Culminating in their Unique Civilisation .... can be well imagined.


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good .... no response for a real topic. i shall give my reply tomorrow.... till then just keep the thread alive....

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[tscii:26b512c5ef]srinivas : tamilians are a great breed and I admire the culture .. have studied deeply about the rich intricasies of their ancient teachings and i am very impressed about everything about the nuances of the word thamizh and everything surrounding it except ... their illogical , brainless hatred of brahmins and hindi . for such a great culture, it is a anamoly to have such foolish and dangerous views on a particular community . they are down right foolish .. everything about brahmins and non brahmins is similar including the thaali custom u have mentioned .,., then why the hatred for another kith and kin? please let me know yr views on this [/tscii:26b512c5ef]

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[tscii:88246a78a8]Dear Mr. Rahul,

All these points i have replied under the relevent Thread...

... "SOCIAL-AWAKENING SUITING TO TIME."

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[tscii:8c4f684fa2]"PONGAL" : .... The FESTIVAL OF GRATITUDE .... Unique Tamilian-Culture !!

The word "Pongal" is a Tamil word and the Festival named "Pongal" is the Tamilian-festival, lead by the Farmers.... linked with the Post-Harvest Season.

So to say this Festival pertains not only to Farmers but also to one all the Tamilians...

... it being .... Factually their "ANNUAL FESTIVAL OF GRATITUDE" in all respects.

Tamilians ever since the days of their God-Realisation worshipped "Sun" as their Prime-God, and even in the Tamil-Literature, there is adequate proof for it.

Silappadhikaaram says.... "»¡Â¢Ú §À¡üÚÐõ" praying the Sun-God.

During the Pongal-Festival celebrated for four days, the Gratitude is paid thus....

Sun: People inaugurate cooking the newly harvested Rice and offer it to SUN-GOD as a mark of GRATITUDE for ensuring a good harvest.

Workers: All the workers are GRATEFULLY HONOURED presenting New clothes to them along with their Families.

Bullocks: On an exclusive day in the name of "Maattu-Pongal" the Bulls and Cows are well-decorated and worshipped as also GRATEFULLY HONOURED.... for their co-operative role in Agriculture as well as their Day to day Life.

Calfs: On another day in the name of "Kannu-Pongal" the Calfs are decorated and allowed to play freely as a mark of GRATITUDE...

Menfolks: Ladies express their GRATITUDE and Honour the Men-folks, especially their Brothers for duly performing their duties by means of hardwork. Kannu-Pongal is also another significant day... since some people call it as "KAANHUM-PONGAL" when all the Human-beings who caused Setbacks, Shortcomings and Hurt-feelings during the past whole year, are forgiven and such unpalatable instances forgotten... ensuring the remnant Good-Deeds of others only are brought to Reminiscense on that day.... culminating in the GRATEFUL Revival of Friendship and Good Human-Relations. Symbolically all the old and torn clothings and scrapped articles of the House are disposed off either by burning or giving off to the needy or cleared out. Such a healthy turn of Mind towards the fellow-men even leads to new transactions or Marriage or the like towards mutual advancement of the whole Society en masse...

Even though the sense of GRATITUDE is one of the Fundamental Virtues as well as the Rudimentary Human-Culture for any section of the Global Society,... this factor has been accentuated to the highest degree in the Tamilian-Culture.... as ordained in their Life-Codes and further highlighted in the Tamil Literature.

For Example ....

¿ýÈ¢ ´ÕÅÕìÌî ¦ºö¾ì¸¡ø «ó¿ýÈ¢
±ýÚ ¾Õí¦¸¡ø ±ý §Åñ¼¡ - ¿¢ýÚ
¾Çá ÅÇ÷ ¦¾íÌ ¾¡û ¯ñ¼ ¿£¨Ãò
¾¨Ä¡§Ä ¾¡ý ¾Õ¾Ä¡ø.

If we do good to others, we need not bother as to when we can get the due return. The Cocanut Tree pays back its Gratitude through its Head to Mankind who fed at its feet.

¾¢¨ÉòШ½ ¿ýÈ¢ ¦ºö¢ý À¨Éò Ш½ §ÅûÅ¢ôÀÂý.

If we do good to others upto the quantum of even just one Grain ... it will fetch back to us to a multi-fold extent as much as the Result of performing a Yaga reciprocally.

±ý ¿ýÈ¢ ¦¸¡ýÈ¡÷ìÌõ ¯ö× ¯ñ¼¡õ, ¯öÅ¢ø¨Ä ¦ºö ¿ýÈ¢ ¦¸¡ýÈ Á¸üÌ.

Any worse Sin may be conceded towards an Acquittal but not the crime of In-Gratitude.

¿ýÈ¢ ÁÈôÀÐ ¿ýÈýÚ ¿ýÈøÄÐ «ý§È ÁÈôÀÐ ¿ýÚ.

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[tscii:6b6e2bdf30]but this yavarum kelir attitude----
has it not led the tamil to loose their tribal identity,loose their territory.loose the very uniqueness and individuality of the tamil race?
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but this yavarum kelir attitude----

has it not led the tamil to loose their tribal identity,loose their territory.loose the very uniqueness and individuality of the tamil race?

we accept and allow other cultures and traditions easily and adopt
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Thanks Mr. John .... A Good Question with Valid proofs in Reality...

... a Contra-Indication by Negative-Consequences on a HEALTHY-ENDEAVOUR...

.. based on POSITIVE-THINKING (by Tamilians) ....

... a Hearty- Approach by means of WISDOM...

... the Pinnacle-Might of the Supreme-Creature of God ....

.. as the RUDIMENTARY PRINCIPLE / IDEAL FOR MANKIND

Why So? ..... Were / Are the Tamilians BASIC-OUTLOOK and CULTURE of

... YAADHUM- OORAE... YAAVARUM KAELHIR... policy... is either ...

.... WRONG?... ABSURD?.. COWARDICE?... IMPRACTICABLE? ... UNREALISTIC? ...

.... SELF-DECEPTIVE? ... SUICIDAL?... //

I have started my Reply part by part under another Relevant Comprehensive Thread by name...

SOCIAL-AWAKENING SUITING TO TIME...

Please continue your comments and Criticisms if any under their Title...

... if on SOCIAL-REALITY-ASPECT... only..... THERE... and..

.. if CULTURALLY.. HERE .. please .. WELCOME to all ..

.. the TAMILIANS and the Tamilian-Friendly NON-TAMILIANS ONLY!

.. With the True Human-Spirit of YAAVARUM-KAELHIR !!
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[tscii:ff2aef422b]Indian-Culture is highly Unique amongst the International Culture of multifareous and mosaic pattern. Even within India there is one Culture far highly Unique and Conspicuous within the frame of Indian Culture itself.... it is TAMILIAN-CULTURE. How?

Human-beings are bestowed with 4 Innate Strengths....

1. Body-power (Physical-Strength)

2. Intellectual / Brain-Power (Wisdom)

3. Mind-Power

(Will-Power, Outlook, Introspection, Moral-Approach, Empathy, Sympathy, Love,Sincerety, Honesty, Loyalty,Kindness, Mercy, Unity, Social-spirit and Noblity)

4. Spiritual-Power

(Subtle-Power of Human-Soul in relation to the Cosmic-Power the Supere-Human )

The Western-Countries, so to say Europian-Countries, USA, Canada and such other allied countries prioritises the Wisdom as the Top-most essential power and means for Human-advancement and were totally making a Mockery of the Soul-Power, until about 50 years back, while Asian-Countries like Japan, India, Korea, Sri-Lanka and the like were highlighting the importance of Soul-power or Spiritual-power....for the effective life. Eventually they did not take it into consideration of essentials at all.

India is ever insisting and advocating to the International Scholars on the Soul-Power which they deemed Top-Priority amongst the Essential potentialities for meaningful advancement of Mankind, more than the Wisdom, for which the Indian priority order is the second after Soul-power.

Of late the Western countries especially the USA have retraced their on their misconception and wrong notion on the exclusive power of the Humans the so called Soul-power realising their past wrong contention and have taken up much efforts to step up the Souk-Power by means of Spiritual exercises like Meditation.

Whereas according to Tamilian-Culture, the Top-Priority amongst these essential Human-Strengths to be carefully nurtured and developed is, the MIND-POWER.

Tamilian-Literature argues that any amount of Wisdom or Soul-Power will not fetch the due result unless the Man applies his Mind towards the right direction, which further needs the support of the Soul-power in the practical outlook on life.

This aspect of Priority for Mind-power can be seen in the Tamil-Literatures profusely. For example....

¦ÅûÇò¾¨ÉÂÐ ÁÄ÷ ¿£ð¼õ Á¡ó¾÷ ¾õ ¯ûÇò¾¨ÉÂÐ ¯Â÷×.....

The Advancement in Life or the Elevation in Status lies proportionate and commensurate with the Height of ones Mind similar to the case of the (Lotus-like) Flower-Stem growth by matching length with the depth of water

¬ì¸õ «¾÷Ţɡöî ¦ºøÖõ «¨ºÅ¢Ä¡ °ì¸õ ¯¨¼Â¡ý ¯¨Æ.

Of its own accord, Wealth will reach that Man who ensures his unwavery and unshakeable Enthusiasm (in his Life-Duties)

¯ûÙÅÐ ±øÄ¡õ ¯Â÷× ¯ûÇø ÁüÈÐ ¾ûÇ¢Ûõ ¾ûÇ¡¨Á ¿£÷òÐ.

Always Think High (Aim High)... and ignore the other side (of Problems).

While the Western-Culture does not give much importance to the SPIRITUAL-POWER in Human-beings, Indian-Culture gives high importance to that unparallel Unique and innate Human-might.
But generally speaking Indian-Culture by way of Hindu Religion speaks low of Mind... as of Monkey-attitude.... and al the Poets of other Indian Languages address the Mind... you the idiotic Mind... You the Sinful-Mind... You the Sullied Mind... You the Minkey-Mind... etc... denigrating the Mind too low.

Whereas Tamilian Literarure speaks high of MIND-POWER as seen hereabove.

Even within the broad outlook of Indian-Culture ... TAMILIAN-CULTURE is far UNIQUE... by way of TOP-PRIORITY for Mind-Power,... out of all the Four innate Human-Mights

So to say in brief... the STIPULATIONS ... on the application of Human-Power towards Ones Advancement in Life... varies... by different Cultural-outlook.... thus...

ORDER OF PRIORITY:--
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Western-Culture ---------- Indian-Culture ---------------- Tamilian-Culture
__________________________________________________ ___________________

(1) Wisdom ......................... Spiritual-Power............................ Mind-Power

(2) Phyical-Might................. Wisdom......................................... Spiritual-Power

(3) Mind-Power...................... Physical-Power............................ Wisdom

(4) Spiritual-Power................. Mind-Power.................................. Physical-Might

__________________________________________________ ____________________

Applying this REALISTIC-APPROACH duly APT FOR MANKIND...

.... and contra-distinctory from Animals and Birds.... which are not bestowed with...

... such a Unique Combination of rare Mights as for HUMAN-BEINGS ONLY ...

In practical life Several-persons INTERNATIONALLY have well-advanced in life ensuring Success and Happoiness when compared to others adopting different prioritical approach necessitating undue extent of strain and woes coupled with more risk to achieve Results..

... MAINLY BY MEANS OF THEIR.... "WILL-POWER" ... more than...

... By means of their WISDOM and other Mights....

... compared to others... laid behind ....

... So Which is that approach ... the HEALTHIEST... and the MOST-PROPER ..?

... for Humans' ADVANCEMENT... UNITY.... SUCCESS... HAPPINESS . and PROSPERITY...??

... by PRIORITY-ORDER of Application of Ones Mights .....??

... TAMILIAN-CULTURE... !! [/tscii:ff2aef422b]

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[tscii:204045bf8b]Srinivasan,

I think the Tamil Culture outlook prioritizes as follows:

1) Mind
2) WISDOM
3) SPRITUAL
4) Physical

If you note thirukkuraL or other ancient Literature, "kalvi" mathi kooramai are valued more compared to spiritual. Also spiritual is follwed more feverenlty at the old age where areas at the young age wisdom is follwed... "iLamaiyiR kal" -avvai[/tscii:204045bf8b]

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[tscii:97ee9ccb1f]Corrigendum:--

// Human-beings are bestowed with 4 Innate Strengths ....... //

To be read as :----

1. Body-power (Physical-Strength)

2. Intellectual / Brain-Power (Wisdom)

3. Mind-Power

(Will-Power, Outlook, Self-Confidence, Mutual-Love, Enthusiasm, Perseverence )

4. Spiritual-Power (Moral- Strength)

(Morality, Sincerety, Introspection, Moral-Approach,Honesty, Loyalty,Kindness, Mercy, Unity, Empathy, Sympathy, Social-spirit, Noblity, Faith in Life, Faith on Super-Human-Power the God) [/tscii:97ee9ccb1f]

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[tscii:829810f50e]Mr. "n"

If you have gone through my presentations in the earlier pages of this thread, you would not have raised this doubt. Because you can observe that I have built up the Salient factors step by step before asserting to this conclusion of unique Priority-order of Tamilian-Culture.

However on this point, I further clarify herebelow.

Spiritual-power must not be confused with Religious inclination or attitude or Faith ... (which may or may not come to any man at all during his any part or whole of life)

Even though Spirituality is linked with Religion also, it is in fact an independant might by source unlike Religious-spirit. So to say... Religious-Spirit or thoughts allied to it, are generated in a man only by the mode of his application of Mind and Wisdom. at any stage of Life. So that is a different aspect altogether. There have been also the cases of Non-believers of God, so called irreligious Atheists too, having Spiritual-Powers or thoughts.

Spiritual-Strength is innate by birth for every Human-being as are the cases of other strengths like Physical-power, Brain-power, Mind-power. Spiritual-power is further developed or let to stoop down depending on the extent and mode of application of that exclusive Human-might, as is the case of other powers in man.

So to say... if a physically strong person keeps idle without application of his physical-power on any activity or work... in course of time he becomes sick or weak. Similarly if a wise man does not apply his Wisdom effectively... in course of time... he loses his wisdom-level.

Education from the stage of a tiny tot adds up to Man's knowledge.... But it has nothing to limit or bind on the Wisdom-level. There have been illiterates too... even in the remote villages... or the tribals even... wiser than an Educated man!

What is meant by... "Spiritual-Power"... in the Practical-Sense?

That Singular innate power ..... hidden in him behind... apart from his Sixth sense by Wisdom ..... which makes a man think and apply his efforts and outlook differently and in a higher plane than the other Sub-Human Creatures like Beasts, Birds, Insects etc .... that inexplicable power... makes him differentiate and classify the Thoughts and Activities as... Human and In-human... that Moral-Power ... is the Spiritual-Power.

No doubt Spiritual-power leads to Religious or Philosophical thoughts... depending on ones extent and standard of application..... IRRESPECTIVE OF ONE'S AGE.

About Tamilian-Culture on Spiritual-Power .... the Role and Importance??

The first Lesson of a Tamil-Student in his Primary Class is....

«Èõ ¦ºÂ Å¢ÕõÒ. (Aram seya Virumbu)

(Always) Wish to perform by Moral-approach / Righteousness towards Human- Values/Virtues of Life

Followed by....

®ÅРŢÄ째ø. (Eevadhu Vilakkael)

³Âõ þðÎ ¯ñ. (Aiyam Ittu Unh) ...

("Aiyam". is a SPIRITUAL-OFFER coupled with dignity for the receiver.... contrary and far different from "Pichai"... I have dealt in detail under other Threads here... e.g. Pazhamozhigal and Thiruppaavai)

µÐÅÐ ´Æ¢§Âø (Oadhuvadhu Ozhiyael)

¾ó¨¾ ¾¡ö §Àñ (Thandhai-thaay paenh)

¿ýÈ¢ ÁȧÅø. (Nanri Maravael)

«Èò¾¡ø ÅÕŧ¾ þýÀõ (Araththaal Varuuvadhae Inbam)

«Èõ ±ÉôÀÎŧ¾ þøÅ¡ú쨸. (Aram Enappaduvadhae Ilvaazhkkai)

Does any Language Primary Lesson starts with the sense of ... ARAM SEYA-VIRUMBU?

English primary Lesson starts with Baba Black-Sheep ... and Tom And Jerry...

.... Is there any mention of "Aram" (Moral-values of Life).... anywhere?...

... If it exists ... at What Stage of the Student?

Well... you can compare the Content with similar Student-Lesson-Texts of other Languages and you will be able to judge yourselves. [/tscii:829810f50e]

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[tscii:329dcaa444]Dear Friends,

even though, I have a lot more to say on this Topic,....

I leave this Topic... for anyone of you to continue further...

... and keep alive as PERENNIAL...

... since this the Prestigious-Topic of..

... Every Tamilian all over the Globe!![/tscii:329dcaa444]
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[Sudhaama]

TAMILIAN CALENDAR

Tamilian-year as well as the TAMIL-NEW YEARS DAY, are based on the movement of Earth in relation to Sun, so to say on the basis of SOORYA-MAANA according to Astrology.

The same basis is adopted by Bengalis and Malayalees too, unlike all the rest of Indians like Telugu, Kannada,Marathi, Gujarathi speaking Hindus, who follow the other system called CHANDRA- MAANA, since based on the movement of the Moon in relation to Earth.

But the word THINGALH as per Tamil- Literature..

... means the…. MOON...

... as also the name of…. "MONTH"

For example... in the...

"SANGATH- THAMIZH- MAALAI"...... THIRUPPAAVAI..

(1) Maarhazhith "THINGALH"... (meaning the Month)

(2) THINGALHUM Aadhithyanum... (meaning the Moon)

.... and in the Saivath- Thirumurhai

(3) THINGALH- Sadaiyan (meaning the Moon)

It is strange that this Senthamizh word means...

.... the MONTH ALSO... in Tamil ... which is inconsistent

... Contrary to the TAMILIAN- CULTURE unmatching to it !!

[Sudhaama]

The RUDIMENTARY HISTORICAL TRUTH, based on deep Research studies by many of the Non-British Historians,

... especially the Fench and the Germans,...

... which HISTORY ALONE has been INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED..

... by the Leading Research-Scholars of the whole world...

... as well as UNIVERSALLY documented as AUTHENTIC.

(1) The FIRST CLASSICAL LANGUAGE of Humanity?

The FIRST LANGUAGE ever spoken by Mankind anywhere in the whole world is.... undoubtedly.... TAMIL only originated from North India, on the banks of Saraswathi River while the rest of the country was only Forests. Even during the Ramayana period we find that the South India as also the Nasik region of Western India was so. In the regions of the present Turkey, Burma, and Middle-East the Humans were only Savages. The rest of the world mostly were capped up with Ice.

(2) Who the ARYANS?

British dictators purposively made the false histories written just with a malefic intention of DIVIDE AND RULE Policy over the huge mass of enslaved but wise Indians on the whole.

Dr Ambedkar used to call himselves as the True Aryan.

Mahakavi Bharathi says...

"Aariya" naattinar aanhmaiyoadu iyatrum seeriya muyarchigalh.

"Aariyarum" nara veeriyarum...... Vandhae maatharam

Whom does the Tamil-poet Bharathi mean as ARYANS and which country does he call as ARIYANAADU ?

It is totally wrong to say that the so called ARYANS entered into India as Domiciles from the Middle-East and that the most Ancient people of India were called as DRAVIDIANS. In fact there were no separate Races as Aryans and Dravidians. The so called Aryans were the Indian nationals BY BIRTH and NOT BY DOMICILE. There were ONLY ONE RACE initially all over India, then confined to only the Northern part and that Race was the Aryans. the descrption of their complexion height and look are all the False stories, Myth and Imaginary creations made by the British rulers who invaded on the Indian Culture too.

There were only one mass of people in North India, in the days of Linguistic origination, who were subsequently named as ARYANS in Sanskrit, which means ... Uthaman... Great-Man. In Sanskrit Literature and stories we can find the wife addressing the Husband as ARYA. Even Seetha-Dhevi addressed so as per Valmiki Ramayana.

(3) Who the DRAVIDA?

First of all we have to think over, from which Language this Word DRAVIDA has emanated? Is it a Tamil word?. No Not at all. Because the Tamil Language does not have the cluster of letters like Dra, Pla, Kru etc., whereas Sanskrit and all other Indian Languages have so.

In fact the word DRAVIDA is a Sanskrit term, the Sanskrit DHAATHU for which is ... "DRU".... meaning ..."MOVE".

From the same Dhaathu, the word "Dravyam" meaning Money / Wealth since it always passes from hand to hand and does not remain at one place.

And why the so called Dravidians were named so?

The Sanskrit word DRAVID means WAGABOND ("Naadoadi" in Tamil)

Why should they be called so ?

One section of the people were highly intelligent, enterprising and ADVENTUROUS enough (similar to British) to boldly venture into new areas of the forests and make an advanced life there. This sections of people were mockingly called as WAGABONDS (Dravid in Sanskrit) by their own brethren who were contented to be static in the specific regions already well-developed. Whereas the moving Indians advanced more ahead by means of wisdom, sincerety and hard toil.... as the History speaks of the Tamilians of Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Singapore and elsewhere, well-known for such exemply Human potentialities coupled with with high human calibre.

The proverbs .... YAADHUM OORAE YAAVARUM KAELHIR.... and ....

.... THIRAI KADAL OADIYUM DHIRAVIYAM THAEDU....

.... are only in Tamil, and in no ther Languages anywhere in the world.

(4) Origin of the new Language SANSKRIT?

The first Group of Mankind speaking Tamil had no Religions of their own but were worshipping the Sun as the Super-power. They were mostly eating Pond-Fish and Agro-products.. Later the Rishis came to these regions, who called themselves as the messengers of God.

The local people believed it because they had some Super-human powers and declared that they had seen God with naked eyes. New skilss like Manthra-sathram, Dhanur-Sasthram (Bow & Arrow), Ayur-Vedam, Jothisham, Vaana Sasthram etc. added honour to that subsequent classical language. That is how the Hinduism originated in India., through which the Language Sanskrit were taught by the Rishis, along with the Vedas as Gospels, naming it as the VOICE OF GOD. That is how Sanskrit is called as Deva-Bhasha for Hindus, (similar to Arabic for Muslims and Hebrew for Christians, since their Gospels are written in those Languages).

Kings encouraged that Deva-basha, spread it amongst the Linguistic scholars but considered Tamil as a cheap Tribal Language and inferior to Sanskrit., which alone were suited for the Intellectuals.

So the Kings and the Scholars were conversing in Sanskrit while the people were speaking Tamil. In course of time both the languages got mixed up in different forms at different regions and got named as various initial Offshoot Languages like Pali and Prakrit.

We can note in Sakunthalam original text written by the Sanskrit poet Kalidasa,....

King Dushyantha speaks to Sakunthalai ( Tribal-girl) in SANSKRIT .... !!!

.... while Sakunthalai as also the Fishermen speak in PRAKRIT ???

Since Sanskrit was attributed as the Godly Language it was given high honour by the Kings, without whose adequate support, Tamilians could not comparatively flourish well. So they had to move down far south towards the dense forests leaving off their original settlements in North India.

(5) How different Languages within ONE COUNTRY of ONE RACE?

After several centuries of origination of Tamil, these various groups of people migrated to different regions of North India, speaking the admixed forms of Tamil and Sanskrit with further additions of foreign languages like Arab, Persian, Portugese, Latin and Greek in different modes., named them as separate languages. .... If the Tamilians of Kanyakumari, Thirunelveli, Coimbatore, Madurai,Chennai and SriLanka do not mutually meet for more than a century, the various forms of Tamil they are using now would have been named as different Languages other than Tamil.

(6) TAMIL ... NOT... a Deva-basha...DIVINE LANGUAGE ?

Subsequently... rather very late after several centuries... the Tamil-speaking section of people of one and the same race came to know that TAMIL ALSO IS A DEVA-BASHA (Divine-Language) since they found that even an ordinary man, an illiterate Hunter, innocent Farm-labour, and an ignorant Pot-maker could speak with Gods in Tamil as well as see Him in different forms of their choice as Lord Vishnu, Vinayaka, Siva, Muruha, Kali and so on ... the Deities of the same Religion, so called SANATHANA-DHARMA or Hinduism. and the

... Gods themselves declared TAMIL ALSO IS THE DEVA-BASHA !!!

[RR]

--- Copy & paste from old threads ---
From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Wed Oct 15 17:16:13 EDT.

PROBLEM : 1 - Solution.

"NAATAAMAI SYSTEM" is an ancient Social-system of the respective living locality/ Region/ Village which had been introduced in almost all over India by the Social-Leaders themselves with the support of the Kings of those days several centuries ago. This was shaped with a high intention of
1.SOCIAL-UNITY
2.OVERALL SOCIAL-WELFARE
3.MINIMISING THE DISPUTES REACHING THE ULTIMATE COURT FOR LEGAL EVALUATION AND DUE PUNISHMENT.
4.CURBING THE DISPUTES AND MISUNDERSTANDINGS BETWEEN ANY INDIVIDUALS OR SECTIONS OF THE PEOPLE IN THE INITIAL STAGE AT THE ROOT OF THE SOURCE ITSELF.

This is no doubt a best Social system which should be encouraged to continue in a healthy manner.

Of late this system has come up for criticism, because...

1.The main purpose and function of the Naattaamai-Forum is only ADVISORY AND CORRECTIVE ACTION and not to give punishment to anybody. Whereas it has been violated.

2.Some of the Social Leaders have not realised their moral responsibility and Human-commitment resulting in Partiality and high-handed judgement with a parochial view.

3. The Naattaamai-Committee should consist of only the deserving high celebrities irrespective of status.This has not been practiced giving room for only some richest persons of the villages, for whose obligations and commandments, the villagers have to helplessly and innocently obey.


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[Oldposts] From: anbu (@ s00d*) on: Thu Oct 16 14:11:15 EDT 2003.



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From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Mon Oct 20 11:06:33 EDT.

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From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Sat Oct 25 06:25:21 EDT.



WHY?...HOW?...WHAT?

Tamilians alone vehemently object on Hindi to become the sole Official Language of India? WHY?

Several Non-Tamilian friends have raised this meaningful question under various Threads here, but so far left unanswered properly.

Do they hate Hindi?...NO.

Are they Selfish or of Dominating attitude? NO.

Are they Fanatics? NO.

Are they Self-centered to underestimate Hindi?.NO

Then... WHY?...HOW?....WHAT?

The plight of Tamilians is far different and more forceful as also unique in India,which has to be logically understood and realised by all,as the SOCIAL AWAKENING SUITING TO MODERN TIME....How?

Before I say, the diverse views of our other Participant-friends are invited, on which I will reply.

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From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Fri Oct 31 16:03:15 EST.



IMPOSITION OF HINDI ON TAMILIANS IN INDIA ?

Why Tamilians alone vehemently object to the....
... INTRODUCTION OF HINDI.... as the Sole Official-Language of INDIA?

Several Non-Tamilians are wondering in this context and even doubting the Patriotism of Tamilians. Due to lack of proper communication and apt mutual understanding, some such gentlemen have expressed their bitter feelings in this Forum, under various Threads. These doubts have neither been adequately cleared nor the undue blames justifiably answered so far in this Forum.

The Truth behind as well as the Realistic plight of Tamilians in the present India and the logical Reasoning because of their Mother-Tongue Tamil, if duly put forth, it must be convincing to any sensible and open-minded Indian Gentleman.

The following are the Salient-points of Unique justification and Reasoning by Wisdom to assert why Tamilians plight is far highly uncomparable with any other Indian and how they find it very difficult to learn Hindi, while other Non-Hindi speakers can and are priveleged to advance comparatively faster than the Tamilians just because of their Language background. Any forcible time-bound imposition of Hindi on them, which is far alien to them as of now, will push down the Tamilians not only in the Indian National Arena but also internationally in the Social and Educational aspects. Whereas an Illiterate Hindian will become preferable over an highly educated Tamilian not knowing Hindi. The relevant questions are answered herebelow:

1.Sanskrit is the Mother of all Indian Languages?So there must be no difficulty to take up any one of the Indian Languages as the Common-Language for all.

No. The general belief amongst the Non-Tamilians all over India is, that the Mother and the ROOT of all the Indian-Languages, (including TAMIL), is the ONE Sole-Language SANSKRIT. . It is not correct. TAMIL and SANSKRIT are the two INDEPENDANT CLASSICAL LANGUAGES of India. And currently TAMIL is the only Classical Language of India, since Sanskrit has become the DEAD-LANGUAGE, not mentionably prevalent amongst any part as overall region of India.

2. Similar to other Indian Languages, in Tamil too Sanskrit Language words are mixed and used. Then how can it be said Tamil is not the Subsidiary off-shoot of Sanskrit unlike other Indian Languages?

Yes. In Tamil too we use several Sanskrit words. But the basic difference of the unique factors of Tamil compared to other Indian Languages is quite conspicuous. The more Sanskrit words are mixed in Hindi, Bengali, Marathi, Telugu and even Malayalam etc. of all other Languages of India, it is deemed as of high Literature-value, whereas it is the opposite case in Tamil. We use much of Sanskrit words in the colloqual or spoken Tamil. But the more we AVOID THE USE OF SANSKRIT words, it is deemed as the worthy Literal Tamil. If Sanskrit is furtheron avoided so to say to the extent of almost Nil, it is valued as the Literature-Tamil, so called SENTHAMIZH or pure Tamil. This factor proves that Tamil is the only Classical Language in the present India, far different from Sanskrit and is able to independantly exist without the admixture of another Language.

3. How can it be justified to say that TAMIL is far different and UNIQUE in comparison to other Indian Languages?

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a. For several Letters in Hindi, we have no equavalent letters in Tamil script. Similarly Vice versa.....in Hindi there are no equavalent Letters for "Ç" "Æ", · etc. in Tamil. And also some of the Tamil Letters and Phonetics in Tamil cannot be written in the Hindi script (so as to differentiate between 'Kuril" and "Nedil"). For example for the Tamil word Tholkaappiyam of Tamil, we will have to write in Hindi as Thoalkaappiam(which means different in Tamil as the LITERATURE on LEATHER, contrary to its original word's meaning as the ANCIENT LITERATURE.

b. Tamil is the only Language in India WRITTEN LINEAR and without any Cluster of words like KLA, PRA, BDHA SWA etc., which sort of Hindi pronunciations for a Tamilian is very difficult, when compared to other Indians.

c In Hindi there are 4 letters and phonetics as Ka, Kha, Ga, Ghah as in all other Indian Languages including the other Dravidian Languages of South India. Whereas Tamil has only two sorts of phonetics for each consonant like Ka, Cha,Ta, Tha,Pa series. For example we have no phonetics in Tamil as Kha and Ghah in the Ka series. One single letter ¸ "Ka" is pronounced Ka or Ga depending on its placement. which basis is applicable in the cases of other Consonants too. These factors exist only in Tamil and no other Indian Languages. So we will not be able to truly transliterate Hindi into Tamil, or Vice-versa unlike other Indian Languages. Such a hurdle is a burdensome factor for Tamilians to learn equally fast at par with other Indians.

d. Tamil is the only Indian Language where the Phonetics of the letters are created by one single letter common for 2 or 3 different phonetics or sounds, depending on its location. For example:

¾ì"¸" = Pronounced as "Thakka" -- Ka gets "Ka" sound only
¾"¸" = Pronounced as "Thaha"--- Ka gets "Ha" sound.
¾í¸ = .......do..................."Thanga"-- Ka .. "...."Ga".....".....

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The same basic rule applies to other consonants like Cha, Tha, Pa also.

So we will have to write one and the same combination of letters for Transliteration of Hindi in Tamil script as ¸¡ó¾¢ either for "KAANTHI" or GANDHI unlike the feasibility in other Indian Languages.

4. English being a foreign Language, should not be allowed to continue in the Free India. Independant India must have only one of the Indian Languages as its Official Language Medium for all important internal and national communications. Since Hindi is the maximum known Language all over India, deserving to occupy such a national demand, it has been preferred by the majority of the people.

a. So called Majority is almost confined to the middle regions of North India only. Whereas the knowledge of English is spread widely all over India.The justification by majority will be only self-deceptive and the biased imposition on a common citizen of Tamilnad feeling Hindi more alien than English presently well prevalent nationally, in the practical sense or Reality.

b.While all the Indian's imminent need is to learn the Science subjects fast to keep up showlder to showlder with the Global situation, Hindi cannot fill up the linguistic medium demand because of its lack of adequate Fertility and upgradation matching to the advanced Global Languages like English, French and German.

5. While we have more important issues before any common Indian all over India like ........

(a) Eradication of Illiteracy and improvement of Educational-standard of all Indians at par with that of the Global citizen.

(b) Eradication of Poverty all over India, especially in the Villages.

(c) Eradication of Unemployment.

(d) Raising up the Common man to the basic level of any Global citizen socially.

.......and so on....... the Language Issue need not be given so much of importance and Priority. Indians must all be united to concentrate and develop India as an advanced Nation, keeping in mind that even the small countries which were insignificant until 3 decades back have by now risen up so high in the Global Arena, advanced enough to compete with even the so called Rich and Advanced Nations like the USA and Canada whereas we are far behind either by Economy or by the Status and Means for Subsistence as well as rudimentary advancement.

Hence the matter change of Language either in the aspect of Official Language or in the aspect of National Communication means, from English to any Indian Language must be left to the posterity, so as to be decided after the Nation adequately advances well competent enough primarily to cater to the basic Human-needs of every Indian.

The leading example of other World Nations, especially U.S.A (which is radically the domiciled region or an Extension of all the various Europian countries like France, Germany, Netherland, Spain etc.) is worthy of emulation. How they had solved this problem of a multi-linguists people easily and practicably, deserves unbiased pondering.



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From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Sun Nov 16 18:43:48


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Rise in status commensurate with one's thoughts (principles).So says Thirukkuralh.

Experience shows that not only by just securing a suitable Educational qualification one can shine in life, but mainly by the due professional knowledge coupled with merit.

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From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Thu Dec 4 16:46:38 EST



I wonder and am pained to note from the postings of some of my friends under the various Threads here, commenting on Lord KRISHNA directly and indirectly....as DEBAUCHEROUS....!!

Why this SCANDEL?...

which is not only radically WRONG but also...

a COLOSSAL BLUNDER !! to Say or ILL-BELIEVE so..

....based on Wrong NOTION or

...unfounded INFERENCE...or

...unjust HATRED.... or

...Lose-Talk due to Total IGNORANCE.

... HOW ?

These people come to such wrong conclusions, based on their misunderstanding the Krishna-Leelas as narrated in Bhagawatham, further elaborated in all the other Indian Language-scriptures, including Tamil-Literatures.

But nowhere Krishna has been depicted as IMMORAL, as these people attribute.

One rudimentary factor, all concerned have to note ....is... that all the Leelas of Krishna were over during BOY-HOOD within his age of 12 (TWELVE). So what all the Krishna's plays we read and hear are only his child-play to enliven, awaken and EMANCIPATE the IGNORANT COW-HERD families. Through them God preaches to the Mankind the high IDEALS of Life and Spiritualism, which is the Backbone of the so called Hindu Religion.

One and the same Lord Narayana took TWO BIRTHS as Rama and then Krishna....and while Rama restrained himself with one wife Seetha, Krishna dealt with thousands of Gopi ladies!....

Why?

Kings and rich men used to have several wives according to Indian Culture and even in the Hindu Temples we worship Lord Muruha along with his two consorts, Valli-devi and Devaani-devi, Lord Shiva with Parwathi-devi and Ganga-devi, Narayana with Bhooma-devi, Maha-Lakshmi, and Neelhaa-devi.

Lord Narayana never speaks INCONGRUENTLY nor preaches INCONSISTENTLY through his various Awatharas (Incarnations)... but one and the same...GOSPELS OF LIFE

...addressing different class of people suiting to each one of them....

....during THAT Age, SITUATION and Circumstances.

Some people even conclude that the King Dasaratha was debaucherous!.

Did Dasaratha attempt to lose his character by interfering with any Woman un-wedded to him?

What is meant by Debauchery?...

Having number of wives...or even Concubines lawfully and morally...is

...not considered as Debauchery....

But if any Man indulges in any illegal or immoral Sexual-affairs with any alien woman or some other's wife....or

...deals with any Prostitute...

...then only it is considered so

...according to Hindu Religion and Moral Code of Practice,

...which is the basis for Hindu-Penal-Code of India.

During Rama Awathaaram, several Rishis and such other Male members fell in love with Lord Rama by His Physical Beauty as well as His Unparallel and Invincible Masculine qualities coupled with Human-Propensities. They craved to enjoy by having him as their Husbands and on their inability to treat Him so....just because they were born as Males...

When they openly expressed such desire, Lord Rama assured them that they will be born as Women in the form of Gopikas and thus can enjoy the NUANCES OF ROMANCE....

Thus Lord Krishna keeps up to his COMMITMENT.... but

...Even before HE attained Youth i.e., within his BOYHOOD age of 12 (Twelve)

....He appeared to them in the MAYA YOUTH FORM

....as Several thousands of YOUNG KRISHNA.... for only Romance

...just to play with them and ENJOY COLLECTIVELY...

....WITHOUT LUST..... Yes.... Repeatedly........WITHOUT LUST !!

...Nothing BEHIND THE CURTAIN .....nor.....CLANDESTINE activity.

...but true to the Holy Spirit of HEARTY LOVERS

...in Congruence with sense and content of Kaamathuppaal in Thirukkuralh.

And Krishna Awatharam is termed as Poorna-Awathaaram, by which he completes his ENDEAVOUR....

....to PERSONALLY INCULCATE...and

...CORRECT the Wrongs of the Right-people... and

...the Rights of the Wrong people...

...educate the Society on the

....Extremities of Royal-Powers and Human-limitations...

...Instilling CONFIDENCE in the Minds of Righteous people.. and

....further clarify on the MEANING OF LIFE.

... free of BLEMISH by any means under all circumstances....realising

...that the Supreme-Power God will never fail to PROTECT..

...while making the people KNOW THE WORTH OF REALITIES

... by means of his personal ILLUSTRATION as to....

.. how the Mankind can ENJOY LIFE collectively

..by means of Mutual UNIVERSAL-LOVE...

..and Conscienceous EARNESTNESS.

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From: R.Srinivasan. (@ ip68*) on: Fri Dec 5 22:47:51 EST 2003.

Dear Mr. Chudar,

//.... We have heard lot of stuffs like these 'Who is a Brahmin', 'Any good person is a brahmin' etc in the past. These are nothing but fradulent definitions given to Brahminsim to hide the casteist racist undertones of it.//...

I am unable to understand why some people are centering around this uncalled for Topic of Brahmins or Brahminism and so on!..... that too unnecessarily !!....If you have anything to say about Casteism and the Social-Injustice or Indiscrimination or Oppression caused by it.... Yes anybody is welcome.... and each and every one of us can put forth our divergent views open-mindedly with no HATRED or ILL-WILL to any ONE CASTE or any Individual by caste......

But why this Particular Community...who were and are INNOCENT IN GENERAL ?.... May be a few individuals who have denigrated too low to deserve as Gentlemen....might have indulged in some unworthy acts.... as is seen in every Community in general ..... and common time to time.

Please think over ....whether the Great Dr. Ambedkar ( the Unparallel Gem-Citizen India, who was an Eye-Opener on both the sides of the people concerned)... have ever said so about Brahmins as a whole Community?...Or.... will agree with such baseless allegations.?

Mr. Kamaraj....the Great pride of Tamilnadu.... has ever said so like you? ..or....

Mr. Kakan.... the Embodiment of PURITY by Heart and Soul....the True Gandhian of Tamilnadu... said so like you?

Please come out frankly....what you have got to blame the Brahmin Community as a whole?

...that too naming as BRAHMIN...."ISM"....!!

//..... Except in Ramanujar's history, I dont think non-brahmins ever got 'convereted' to Brahmins.//

No doubt Acharya Ramanujar was an Unparallel Social-Reformer too of the time, to an equal degree alongside his Human-Mission towards Religion and Spiritualism.

But it is not correct to say that He converted anybody to different Caste. No Not at all.

If that were correct.... compared to the disciples of other Acharyas like Sankaracharya and Madhwacharya whose disciples are all invariably Brahmins then and now......

.. why only amongst Ramanujacharya's Disciples (so called SRI-VAISHNAWAS) there are people of all castes right from his time until today? There are even the so called Scheduled Castes whom he equally treated alike with others and named them as "Thirukulathor".... whose specific Caste-name is "Saathaathaar", and are included in the list of Scheduled castes.

//.... Has any one Brahmin ever renounced the 'Brahmin' title (s)he got by birth, saying that (s)he is not fit to be a brahmin by definition.//

Why should anybody RENOUNCE his caste?.... what for?...

....and Who are You or I to ask or comment about it ?....

....It is purely a Private affair of the particular individual....

....No one has any right to comment about it.....

....even in case of any individual... who cannot be deemed fit to be called as Brahmin....

....due to his malefic acts.... as applicable to any Human of any caste?

//... I know personally a lot of such people who are called 'Brahmins' but miles and miles away from leading a good life.//

May be..... as is seen in other castes too..... and the Contemporary days are different.

The present day Brahmins life in general has become worse....day by day.... due to NO FAULT OF THEM..... Please read Mr. MGR's speeches in this context.... You will know the Realities....

....And can you ask or comment like this about any other man by name of Caste or Religion.?

Because Brahmins alone are Tolerant and Non-Retaliatory.....

...you are able to mudsling on that innocent Community.....irrespective of INDIVIDUALS.!!

//So accept that the term Brahmin refers to a caste and brahminism is casteism and nothing more.//

...May be........... as applicable to anybody of any other caste..... there was NEVER so...nor is now....the so called Brahmin..."ISM"... as such.

If somebody says so ...it is only a Political Motive to WIN VOTES.... or born out of UNDUE AND UNJUST HATRED towards a Community who have rendered EXEMPLARY SOCIAL SERVICE to Humanity then and doing NOW TOO.

Dr.Ambedkar had made a thorough Analytical Research on the matter of Social-discrminition and Oppression by some of the so called Forward communities.... and he never blamed the BRAHMIN COMMUNITY as a whole or in the general sense...... because he knows well about Brahmins.... since he was close to Brahmins through his Mentor Mr. Ambedkar, his Brahmin-Teacher who strongly supported and encouraged and guided him time to time as also consoled whenever unduly hurt by others in the name of Caste. That is why he...the "Dr. Bhimji"... adapted his Brahmin-Teacher's Community name and changed as Bhimji Ambedkar.. ... similar to calling Bhimji Iyer.!

Similarly Mr. Kamaraj also knows about Brahmins well, because he worked close along with them during Freedom struggle. and much more than that... he was brought up... from just a Volunteer status to the President of the Party... by a Brahmin Mr. Sathyamoorthi Iyer!!

And Mr. Kakan a poor Farmer-labour got educated and rose up in life as also got well-shaped to handle the heavy responsibilities as a Minster at a difficult time... because he was shaped so by a Brahmin....Advocate Mr. Vaidyanatha Iyer.!

Mr. Annadurai... who wrote about "Brahmin..ISM"... "Arya-Maayai" and the like ...spitting poison on that Innocent Community during the Primary period of his Social- life.....

....what did he say ultimately in the Conference headed by Rajaji in 1967.... before contesting jointly with 7 party alliance against the Congress-Rule?.....please go through and then comment...

He repeanted very much for all his past baseless allegations on Brahmins. Only after seeing such radical change in him, supported by a Brahmin Rajaji... all the Tamilian Brahmins voted in favour of him and his party with full support.... as also worked strenuously and selflessly towards the victory of his party DMK.... which made him Chief-Minister....

So with all the GRATITUDE to Brahmins, he did not repeat his previous undue utterances against them... after he came to power with the support of Brahmins....since he realised his past misunderstanding the True ground Realities.

Now some people like you have started kicking the ladder which has brought you up!!

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From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Sun Dec 14 22:53:36 EST.

Domination?

In some of the Advanced countries in the world now-a-days, there is a growing feeling that the foreigners are capturing the National-citizens' Employment-opportunities by means of tight competetion especially for all the high posts.. Such competition comes mostly from the Indians and Chinese they blame. Consequently they are persuading the respective Governments for total deporting of foreign-employees, replacing them with the nationals... as well as refrain from such recruitments of foreigners as a competition to the nationals.

While some Governments are sincerely paying heed to their Appelas and trying their best to restrict this practice, practically they are unable to....

Because the Employers are unable to get adequately qualified National candidates to match not only the optimum but even the minimum requirements of the respective job-demands. Eventually the Employers come back to the respective Governments placing the facts before them.... necessitating foreign recruits...

Besides there is a general impression amongst the Employers that the Foreign-recruits fair better in keeping up to the Quality & Standards and Efficient-performance coupled with Result-delivery even with a lower remuneration. Governments are unable to refute this fact for which the Employers who too are the Nationals of the respective country are unable to meet their minimum job-demands by honouring any blanket restrictions on foreigner-recruitments.

Such a sort of Triangular-tussle is going on for years. Why?

Mainly because such National-citizens who expect the Government and the Respective Society to redress their grievance... are themselves are at fault.... by...

...NOT AVAILING the Abundant opportunities for Educational Advancements provided by the Governments

... or the Options for Self-Employment too provided by the Governments...

.... alongside the Encouragements the Peoples' Society and the Managements of Employers are rendering them.

Eventually the candidates are neither shaping themselves to stand up to the demands of THEIR NATION ...

...nor in THEIR OWN INTEREST...

... other than BLAMING THE GOVERNMENTS.....

... as allowing the Foreigners Domination over the locals.....

..... Is it Domination?.... Can it be called so?

Dr.B.R. Ambedkar... an Eye-Opener Leader for all Indians as well as an Unparallel Social-Reformer for the Down-Trodden as also the Constituitional Sculptor of India.... did his BEST to provide every possible avenue of opportunities for the rapid advancement of the Down-trodden..

... by dealing with the Government on one side...

... and the Forward-Community people on the other side...

.... thirdly with the Downtrodden people themselves to AWAKEN..!

.... Ultimately he could achieve his Goal only on those former TWO sides...

... But NOT on the third Side...ie., his Community Down-Trodden people !!

He tried his best to make them emulate his own example or at least keep up to a fractional part of it by availing the improved opportunitues got provided by him for Education and Employment got provided by him after his strenuous efforts.

Whereas it is a pity that the Great Social-Expert of India could only lament during his later part of life that his words were not duly being honoured by his own Community people... whom he tried his best to convince but failed.... belying his high ambitions towards their uplift.

He stoutly disagreed with their plea that even after the Constituitional safeguard provided for the sake of Downtrodden, the Forward community people were dominating over the Down-trodden by grabbing their Opportunities and thus the undue DOMINATION of the Forward communities continue on the Down-trodden. He used to strongly advise the Downtrodden to educate themselves fast... get employed well... as also raise up the fellow-men... instead of blaming other communities.....

He used to say....

Life is a Race-course.... and EVERY CITIZEN OF INDIA.... has an EQUAL RIGHT to Advance.

... Horse can be provided for the Jockey..

... the Race-course can be formed...

... but who has to win the Race?

Can an IDLE or SLACK JOCKEY Blame the Horse...?

... or others as ...DOMINATION?

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From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Tue Jan 13 22:13:30 EST.

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//...SRINIVAS:... PLEASE DO NOT POSE AS ONE WHO IS VERY MATURE AND ABOVE SUCH CONTROVERSIES ... WHEN YOUR FAMILY GETS TARGETTED FOR PETTY REASONS .. U WOULD REALIZE WHAT I AM SAYING.//

My dear Friend Mr. Rahul, ... please do not throw such a SWEEPING-COMMENT... on anybody.... especially on a person you do not know at all ...

Can you judge the worth of a person, an Indian Senior-Citizen... who started his primary school studies... taught to pray... "God save our King....

...and have seen both the EXTREMITIES OF LIFE... unjustly suffered for major part of his life ... along with his innocent family members ....

... Unduly punished.. and still is able to walk abreast by means of his blotless and bright History coupled with firm Life-principles... being an acclaimed Result-oriented Executive ....

... who rose up only by HARDWORK, CLEAN HEART & HAND.... all through his long life to his present bald-headed state ....?...

Dear Friend.... I have confronted the worst ordeals.... which you mean.

// ..... RABID FANATICAL FEELINGS AS U SAY ... IS WELL DESERVED WHEN THE SOCIAL MILLEAU IN TAMILNADU IS EXTREMELY FANATIC TOWARDS ONE COMMUNITY FOR NO LOGICAL REASON .....//

I understand your reasoning and hurt-feelings... which is quite natural... But please do not show your anger towards me... without knowing my life-background, thoughts, approach and my personal pragmatic reaction on this matter.

The point You have raised,.... I have already answered hereabove in detail... Further I reiterate as already mentioned... it is nothing but JEALOUSY.... These people want to come up in life without gaining adequate professional knowledge nor standing at par with other citizens of India conforming to the Spirit of the Indian Constitution framed impartially and optimistically by the great Scholar Dr. Ambedkar , keeping in mind the Social-Backwardness of the DOWNTRODDEN.

He took up the matter on both the sides of Oppressors as well as the Oppressed.

According to him.... Brahmins were never the Oppressors notably ....

Dr. Ambedkar and Mr. Kamaraj used to ask .. History will speak as to how much abundantly this small extent of the noble community Brahmins (barring a few exceptions) has helped several Downtrodden people to come up ... just based on the Humanitarian principle.... when compared to the other so called Forward communities ...

Let these people ponder ... as to how much other Communities have helped eradicating the INHUMAN-OPPRESSION by means of Hegemony on another section of the nationals...

... just on the basis of their Community by birth... and just because they have accepted to perform Menial-jobs for the Common benefit of the Society.

Why should these so called the present ¾¡úò¾ô À𧼡÷ (Thaazhththappattoar) not follow the Healthy examples laid down by the Great Indians like Dr. Ambedkar, Mr. K.R.Narayanan and such others?

All of us irrespective of our Castes by birth, have equal regard and admiration towards such exemplary Luminaries of India, as much as others of their Community.

Dr. Ambedkar used to address his Community-people, the Downtrodden and categorically advise them ....

" For Heaven's sake do not treat your Community by birth as YOUR INBORN SPECIAL QUALIFICATION ... to be regarded all through your life... in preference ... or dominating on other communities... just on the BASIS OF BIRTH.... an unhealthy proposition and suicidal-perpetuation for any Community...

... the preferential position I have made possible ONLY ON A TEMPORARY BASIS which if continued will be detrimental to your interests... rather suicidal. All of you must take advantage of this temporary avenue to advance yourselves and further stand at par with other communities."within the Target-period fixed in the Constitution

These people ignored his advice and want to have Perpetual Domination over other Communities for ever and ever... taking undue advantage of Dr. Ambedkar's Humanitarian consideration ... provisionally.

They want to earn easily putting forth least efforts towards their profession or occupation ....

We can see how their various leaders speak in and outside the State-Assemblies as well as in the Lok Sabha.

I know.. since personally seen... as to how some such people who have easily acquired Educational Qualification on the strength of their Community of birth without the matching professional knowledge... and got employed in india as well as Overseas countries like Gulf-Countries and USA ... are facing the miserable situations every day and almost every moment while dealing with not only their bosses but also with their assistants and even workers... due to their inefficiency or lack of even the rudimentary knowledge in their job of employment...

I used to pity and help them as far as possible on Humanitarian grounds since I found them to be the misguided souls by their Self-centered Community-leaders.

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copy & paste done. (Some duplicate posts have been omitted.)

[Sudhaama]

Dear RR,

Thanks ... a.... LOT LOT LOT.

Regarding the DELETION ... as you expect me to say... I need some time.

With Best Wishes,
Sudhaama

[Sudhaama]

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Ancient Tamilian.... the Global-Humanity

Mr Vira Rajendra,

According to this History, you quoted ... Sinhalas... existed even during the Mahabhaaratha period. ... Does it mean the present Sinhala-Race with a Separate Language and Unique culture of their own?...

(1) As far as I know... the whole of the present Srilanka was a part of a Tamilian Chola-Empire ... who in the subsequent days gave "Refuge" to the Eloped Royal-family from Kalinga... as well as another such group of a Tribal-Leader from Africa. This fact was accepted by the Tamil-friendly Srilankan political parties, who released a Postal stamp to.... as if the Sinhalese... rushing by boats... while the Tamilians with both hands Wellcomed with Human-warmth. ... your Story is different?

(2) Regarding the Name Singala... Was it any Tamilian who had a Name as Simha got later on converted to a different culture...

... similar to a Tamilian-ruled Malai-naadu ... became Malaya... and then Malaysia now .

My above statement on Sinhalese gets fortified by two facts....

(1) The Sinhala Script is similar to Oriya Script, with abundant admixture of Sanskrit words similar to Oriya, while the rest are exclusively Tamilians only (barring the subsequent Europin-mixes) .... irrespective of their Religious faith as either Hindus or Muslims.

(2) The Tourist Paahiyaan's Notes say... that Sangamithra, the Daughter of the Emperor Asoka spread Budhism by travelling wide around various countries in Asia... spending maximum time in Sri-Lanka, Thailand, China, Indonesia regions. So she must have influenced these Migrated Oriyas of Srilanka into Budhism.

(3) On observation of the Bodily Physical Features in general of most of the Sinhalese, as we find now, we are able to believe the Historical assertion that they are from the Racial-mix up Ancestry of Ancient Indian Oriyas plus the African-Tribals .... both migrated from India and Africa during the ancient days, after the fall of Chola empire.

This is the Factual-History of Tamilian-developed Sri-Lanka, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand regions... which were just either Fallow-lands or Dense Forests... unfit for Human-inhabitation.... until then... but were developed by means of... "Hard-Toil".... risking their lives ... and thus enriched those unworthy lands as worthy Human-inhabitations... or Nations.... by the so called Tamilians of ancient days from India....

... So to say... these pieces of Lands... were the Extenson of India.....

.... Similar to the Case of America... USA... the Extension of various Europian countries...

... with only difference.... that all those were only Tamilians... and who alone were Adventurous enough... as their Name itself means in Sanskrit ... as Dravidians (Migrants) !!!

Now.... Onda vandha Pidaarihalh... Oor-Pidaariyai... virattuhinrhana..... !!!
.... ( ´ñ¼ Åó¾ À¢¼¡Ã¢¸û °÷ô-À¢¼¡Ã¢¨Â Å¢Ãðθ¢ýÈÉ !!! )


Whereas Tamilians.... all over the world ....still cherish and are proud of their Ancient Gospel ..

... Yaadhum-Oorae..... Yaavarum Kaelhir.... !!!
... ( ¡Ðõ °§Ã ¡ÅÕõ §¸Ç¢÷ !!! )

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[Sudhaama]

Manu-Smrithi

Vaedhas are called SRUTHI ... which are the authentic Divine commandments... being the Voice of God communicated to the Humanity through Rishis and such other Seers towards the overall Emancipation and advancement of Mankind.

Whereas SMRITHIs are not the Divine-Commandments.... but man-made Laws and Regulations without any Divinity or Sanctity attached to.

"Smrithi" means..... "Code-of-Practice".... a just recorded version of the self-imposed practices already in existence but recorded by the Representatives of the Kings. It was not newly legalised to be imposed on by the Rulers.

During the ancient days the the people were governed more by their Social- discipline based on their unified understanding within their respective section formed on the basis of Occupation or Profession... likee Farmers, Merchants, Medical-practitioners, Sculptors and so on. So to say the Social-Laws self-prescribed by the respective section of Social-groups were recorded and codified as the Branches of Laws applicable to that section of Society only. During those days when the Kings were ruling over different parts of Bhaarath... for their convenience of Reign, they depended upon the Self-imposed Laws of each Section of the Society.

How the so called "Manu-Smirithi" came into existence?

The Code of Practice already adopted by various sections of the Society was recorded by one Minister named Manu, even on which lot of amendments and supplements have been incorporated subsequently varying from country to country.. There is much dispute and controversial statements on the originality of Manu-Smrithi, because the versions of Manu-Smirithi adopted by the Guptha-Kings are far different from that Chandraguptha mourya King as also from that of Kalinga Rulers.

While the Manu-Smrithi has been based on Castes, the definitions on various castes itself are inconsistent and ambiguous, further differing from one another versions of Manu-Smrithi even though all of them had been documented in different countries in Palm-leaves and Metal-plates.

Manu-Smrithi became an utter failure due to its illogical reasoning and justifications, even though it was already a self-imposed code of practice. Especially it was vehemently criticised and objected to by some of the Religious Leaders of those days, as discriminatory and inhuman Laws.

Then Chanakya wrote the Artha-Saasthra, as the common Law for Governing the people of a country.. which too was on the Communal basis. But even that Saasthram was a modified code-of-practice as practically felt convenient sections of the Society on Community-basis.

But the Ministers could not enforce Artha-sasthra too effectively because of much of Communal mix-up even within the Royal families subsequently.

Because the Learned men of those days could convince their Kings that those man-made Smrithis are ambiguous inconsistent impracticable some being even inhuman too irrespective of the degree of Crime or the magnitude of the Offense committed. They were also considered as the encroachment and Gross Violation of Vaedhic Stipulations of Humanitarian approach

Thus both the Manu-Smrithi and Artha-Saasthra totally failed during the Ancient days itself.

[Sudhaama]

Origin of Caste-System in India?

Castes got shaped by various means.. Mainly they were... Based on...

(1) Occupation or Profession.. Kuyavar, Naavidhar, Aasaari, Vaiththiyar, etc.

(2) Status caused by the Honours bestowed on them as Mudali, Vaanhan etc.

(3) Sects following a specific Faith... Pilhai, Iyer, Iyengar etc.

(4) Sects oppressed by the Kings as the habitual Criminals, Traitors(Unduly) of the Kingdom... Sandaalhaas... and others.

(1) Based on Occupation / Talent

Let us consider the case of a Hindu family. Within any one Family, the tasks are apportioned by the Head of the Family.... the aged Father.... amongst his grown up Sons. Suppose he has 4 Sons, and varieties of Family-duties are to be distributed. He knows the discerning competencies of his each son distinctively different from one another, by their individuality.... He analyses as to which Son is well-competent to perform the Manual-duties in his Farms... another to take care of the Cattle for ablusions etc.... the other to take care of Selling the Grains in themarket... another to take care of his Financial transactions... another to be at home with him in assisting in office-correspodency as well as to take care of the Home-duties. Corresponding with the individual competency with the Job-demands of the tasks on hand... he allots to each individual son and gets his family run by means of Team-spirit by the Family-members as the Common asset of the whole family... without any discrimination.

So was the spirit of the ideal Kings of Ancient days.... the King being treated as the Head of the Society... his Subjects considered as of one Single Family.... of the Kingdom as One Home.

Accordingly matching with the individual Talents some people were selected as the apt Farmers, Sculptors, Merchants, Teachers, Artists, Medical-practitioners and the like. They formed into several groups based on such occupation and used to live together in a specific area. They formed unions amongst them group-wise. Such unions were found necessary to represent to the King as well as in dealing with the relevant other Group for mutual Transactions.

So to say a Pot-maker has to sell his pots to a Farmer and fetch Food-grains in return. Similarly for other occupations too.

Then such people wanted to transfer their Job-knowledge to their children to ensure the committed earning of his posterity but wanted to confine such Skills within his family only, since he did not want others to compete witht his children. So it became the Kula-Thozhil (Family-occupation).

Ultimately each group was identified with a Name attributed by the Kings and the Common Society... based on their Occupation / Talent.

... To continue....

[Sudhaama]

GOD- WORSHIP in Ancient Tamilian-Culture.

Generally the Tribals and Savages considered Nature by its indications of Sun, Storm, Rain, Fire etc..as the Super-Human-Power... they regarded them.... as the objects of FEAR.

Whereas ...quite contrary to them... the ancient Tamilians regarded Nature including Sun as the objects of FAITH (the Opposite Spirit to "Fear")....

...and Nature as the Super-Human-power... as their Life-Support..

... .whereas the Natural-calamities...considered as the Punishment from God for some ills or Sins committed by the Society...

...So they were more Social-spirited to ensure none of them commit anything sinful ... even within ones own family... which may eventually lead to the detriment of the Society on the whole due to wrath of the hidden God.

Besides they felt... that Sun is the Supervisory-Leader of Nature which makes their Life...in several ways...and so.... out of Gratitude they regarded the Sun... as the Supreme-power, ...alongside the Nature in the overall sense.

At their initial stages... they had No Religion ... nor any such means of Worship... but only Faith that there exists One Supreme-Human Power which organises Nature.. But later on they started worshiping Sun as God.

Only with such a spirit towards Sun-God-Faith... we see in Silappadhikaaram...

... "Gnjaayirhu poatrudhum.."... meaning... "Oh ! the Sun God !!... Our obesance to you.!!!"

Such an impled Faith continues even now .. in the Tamilians culture... in various ways.... by their Calendar... Festivals.. Customs etc.

Basically Tamilians' main occupation being Agriculture... all their Festivals and Customs are related with it... intertwined with Sun and Nature.

(1) Tamilian Calendar is based on Soorya-maana...(Astronomical calculations based on the movement of Sun in relation to Earth).

(2) Tamilian months relate to the same period of its traverse within the specific segment of 30 degrees circle(Horoscopic House). Months are named after the Star coinciding with the Full-Moon-day (Pournami)... So to say... in Chiththirai month, the Pournami falls on the day of Chiththirai star... and in Vaikaasi, the Pournami falls on Visaakam day... and so on.

(3)The Great celebration of the year is Pongal.. the day Sun enters Makara Rasi on the first day of the month of Thai... so to say the commencement of Uththaraayana.... in relation to Sun. .. which day is celebrated for initiating the first Food out of newly harvested crop.

(4)Next prominent celebration falls on the Tamilian New Years day.. which coincides with its entry into Maesha Rasi...Sun's exalted House..This day is celebrated as the Symbolic DAY OF PROSPERITY ...with Fertility of Fruits... while Pongal is celebrated with the Fertility of Grains. Chiththirai month is the only month... when the Sun rays are abundantly available for the Crops and Fruit-Trees... because of clear-sky.. with the minimum amount of clouds... coupled with the least days of overcast sky. Consequently the Agriculturists get the maximum benefit out of Sunshine during Chiththirai month.

(5)Aavani is the month...of Simma Rasi.. the Ruling House of Sun... when the sowing seeds are completed... and their prayer to Nature's co-operation commences.

(6) Purattaasi is the month when.... NATURE is worshipped.... in the form of Navarathri Kolu.

(7) Aippasi is the Idle-month of the year for the Farmer... with minimum activity in the Farm ... It is the month of Weak-Sun... being debilitated in Thula Rasi... It coincides with the month of Heavy Rains.

Thus... SUN and NATURE .. .. play the great role and influence on the Festivals and Celebrations of.... Tamilian-Culture.

[Sudhaama]

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Dear Thiru Sudhaama,

The word pamphu is from root 'pammu' which means 'Adanki Ezhuthal'-'Sulantru thakkuthal'- Virulent attack, 'Marainthu thakkuthal'- hide and attack.

The Chola military has 'pampappadai' which is third series in military attack. It followed the rule hide and attack.

pamparam - a wood element play in country side.

The english word 'Pump' is from french 'pompe' which means virulent attack might have come from Greek which loaned that word from tamil.

f.s.gandhi

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

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Dear Thiru Sudhaama,

The word pamphu is from root 'pammu' which means 'Adanki Ezhuthal'-'Sulantru thakkuthal'- Virulent attack, 'Marainthu thakkuthal'- hide and attack.

The Chola military had 'pampappadai' which was third series in military attack. It followed the rule hide and attack.

pamparam - a wood element play in country side.

The english word 'Pump' is from french 'pompe' which means virulent attack might have come from Greek which loaned that word from tamil.

f.s.gandhi


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.யாதும் ஊரே.! யாவரும் கேளிர்.!!!....

..தமிழ்-இலக்கியங்கள் வரையறுக்கும் மானிட பண்பு.


..இன்றைய உலகில் கேலி-கூத்து ஆனதா.?...

தற்கால சூழலுக்கு பொருந்தாத ஏட்டு-சுரைக்காயா... பரந்த கண்ணோட்டம் கொண்ட தமிழ் இலக்கிய நெறி.?

இலக்கிய உரையாடல் (Literature Discussions)...

....அரசியல் உரையாடல் அல்ல.! (Not a Political discussion..)

...பட்டி-மன்றமும் அல்ல (Nor the Debate.!)

தங்கள் நற்சிந்தனைகளை இங்கே பரிமாறி விருந்து படைக்க அழைக்கிறேன்.!

.வருக அன்பர்களே.! பங்கு கொண்டு... தமிழ்-இன்பம் தருக.! பெறுக.!
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