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[torchbearer]

Hi!

I am new on this hub.

I am a student of Astrology and like to try my best to help you out if you have any problem.

Really this science is amazing and very useful in pinpointing your areas of strength and weaknesses.

You can mail me on power2grid@yahoo.com

OR

you can chat with me on this wonderful forum

Thanks

[nirosha sen]

Okay- Let me test you a little bit????hmm.... What would you say abt someone born on the 17th of Feb, West Malaysia 1958???? :)

[Sandeep]

Not enough nirosha,

You have to give the time of birth too. :)

torchbearer,

Assuming this person that Nirosha mentions is born in Malaysia. So will the time and details have to be moved to IST

[hehehewalrus]

first of all how can u call astrology a science?

[Sandeep]

first of all how can u call astrology a science?

first you tell us why astrology cannot be called science? :D

[hehehewalrus]

first of all how can u call astrology a science?

first you tell us why astrology cannot be called science? :D

because less than 1% of respected scientists dont think it is science. and also it desperately needs push from a politician like M.M Joshi to be labelled as a science :lol:

PS: answering a question with another question is another way of saying "i dont know" ;)

[Sandeep]

first of all how can u call astrology a science?

first you tell us why astrology cannot be called science? :D

because less than 1% of respected scientists dont think it is science. and also it desperately needs push from a politician like M.M Joshi to be labelled as a science :lol:

PS: answering a question with another question is another way of saying "i dont know" ;)

HRD ministry under M.M. Joshi tried to make astrology as a subject in college as B.A.
B.A. is Bachelor of Arts

[Sudhaama]

ASTROLOGY .... No doubt.... a SCIENCE ! ! !

Since it is radically based on Astronomy and Geometry which are unquestionably Science- subjects..... and especially INDIAN ASTROLOGY is the most ACCURATE for predictions on future.

It has been appreciated worldwide by the Astronomers too, on seeing the Indian Astrologers predictions coming true unfailingly and invariably on each and every occasion.

For example almost all the Foreign Astrologers predicted of some huge Natural calamity at several places of the world and maximum to India, Singapore, Srilanka, Malaysia, Japan regions during the year 1962 due to an unusual Cosmic-occurrence of 8 planets confluence in the Space.

Astrologically this occurred in one and the same house Makara.... So they said unanimously that the lands will be engulfed by the sudden upsurge of Sea-water .... and that the babies born at this inauspicious time of Planetory union, will be heavily handicapped like Ms Helen- Keller and so on....

Consequently the people all over the world were much fearing until that moment ! !.

But one and all the Indian Astrologers totally denied it .... which only came TRUE. ! ! !

I know some babies born at that crucial moment... who are quite all right physically and intellectually till now, except the typical phenomena as per Indian Astrology.

One book in several volumes can be written to prove how and on what basis...

... we can believe that ASTROLOGY IS SCIENCE..

Even though I am not an Astrologer but just a Client of Astrologers, I believe it fully, based on my vast practical experience in Life for about 70 years.

If Astrological predictions fail.... still it should not be attributed to the Subject of Science but only as....

... either the fault of the Astrologer concerned...

... similar to the cases of other Professional Practioners like Doctors, Engineers and the like.... or .....

.... as the faulty Horoscope.

One simple example..... on the high worth of Astrology for Mankind....

When Ms. Jayalaitha entered the Film-field in a Tamil movie named VENNIRA-AADAI, as an Actress without any political background, another new-entrant for the same film, Mr. Vennira Aadai Moorthi ( an Amateur Astrologer) predicted and told her based on her Horoscope that she will be the FUTURE CHIEF-MINISTER of Tamilnadu and will become popular all over the country soon.!

Considering as a wild-Joke she laughed at it and said that it was radically INCREDIBLE.... !!

Yes, ANYBODY ELSE TOO who knew her at that time as just an Actress- Dancer, would not have believed such a Prediction ! !

But .... See what happened.... ! ! !

[hehehewalrus]

There are lot of inherent contradictions in astrology. Majority of the indian astrologers are frauds who exploit the superstition and fear in people to deceive them.

In all my life, I have never seen an astrologer, consulted by the relations of sick people, say that the patient will die. In every case he would say that the patient will live for a 100 years :lol: :lol:

Also, it is my belief that a person who believes in God does not have to use astrology as a crutch. If God cannot save you, astrology will not save you!! Astrology is an insult to God.

Finally, if astrology is a science, why are astrologers dabbling in religion? :lol: :lol: 70% of astrologers suggest religious remedies if astrological signs are wrong!! :lol: Just like cult leaders like Saibaba who use the name of Shiva/Krishna to legitimise their warped theories :lol:

[geno]

Sandeep wrote:

>> HRD ministry under M.M. Joshi tried to make astrology as a subject in college as B.A. B.A. is Bachelor of Arts >>

Wrong!

On the instructions of Murli Manohar Joshi - the Goebbels of the sangh parivar, During early 2001, UGC had announced to introduce graduate, postgraduate and research level courses
in astrology, "Vedic" Mathematics and palmistry - with proposals even to introduced Post-graduate level courses in IIT!!

The "pro-active campaign" by (the then) Union Minister for Human Resource Development Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi and (the then) Chairman of the University Grants Commission (UGC), Prof. Hari Gautam, for the introduction of Vedic astrology as a 'scientific discipline' to be pursued as a subject of study in universities in India - was an orchestrated attempt to "Saffronise" Indian education and thinking.


link1 :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/sci_tech/highlights/010531_vedic.shtml

link2:

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1810/18101170.htm


The UGC proposed to provide a non-recurring grant of Rs 15 lakhs to universities to establish these departments. The expenditure to be incurred by the UGC for pursuing such an untested and unproved subject would run into crores of rupees, to be borne out of the limited education budget of the government.

Immediately, the SCIENTIFIC academic community of india was incensed and exhibited their vehement protest and disapproval of this "machiavellian" plans of the fundamentalists.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/may/09spec.htm


Opposition to this came even from american indians:

http://feynman.princeton.edu/~sondhi/writings/astrology.pdf

( The author is an Associate Professor of Physics at Princeton University. )

HTML version of that paper here :

http://www.google.co.in/search?q=cache:lxmkE8ZnohgJ:feynman.princeton.edu/~sondhi/writings/astrology.pdf+Vedic+Astrology+courses+%2B+Joshi&hl=en

"Scientists join hands against Vedic courses"
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1428457486.cms


We can ver easily and obviously see the PROFILE of the people who are so very eager about this Vedic Astrology mumbo-jumbo course!!

It is the people who would be directly and indirectly be benefitted from such an exercise - by obtaining cushy positions teaching these archaic stuff, and also creating a "Mind-control" mechanism for the "well-known" religious fundamentalists of India - thereby transporting India back to "their" - "Golden ages" of yonder! ;) :lol: :lol:

[Sandeep]

In none of the links provided by you has it been mentioned what the name of the course will be. It is not a graduation or post graduation in science, it is one in Arts. This is the helm of misinformation.

Nobody has a problem when "Animal Husbandary" (Not Vetenary) was made a graduation subject.

One of the links provided makes fun of UFO. Millions are spend around the world in US, Russia, Japan and even China on UFOs.

Moreover both graduate and post graduate cources where supposed to be self financed for students.

[hehehewalrus]

One of the links provided makes fun of UFO. Millions are spend around the world in US, Russia, Japan and even China on UFOs.

Your efforts to examine the credibility of the links is appreciated. But kindly provide the link so that we can also examine instead of making an unsubstantiated statement.
The fact that millions are spent into UFOs only strengthens the potential existence of UFOs :D Unlike astrology, which wont even stand a basic scrutiny, which is why no one is pumping money into it :lol:

[Sandeep]

List of Foreign Institutions where Astrology is Being Taught

1) Kepler College of Astrological Arts and Sciences – Kepler College is the only college of astrology in the western hemisphere authorised to issue BA and MA degrees. The entire curriculum is based on astrology. Kepler’s first freshman class began in July, 2000. The BA program is based on a 4 year course of study, and there are three terms per year.

2) Astrological Institute, Inc, 7501 E Oak ST. Scottsdale., AZ - In addition to it’s on site classes and seminars in Scottsdale AZ., Astrological Institute also offers a complete correspondence course designed to provide a firm foundation in both the technical and philosophical aspects of astrology.

3) The American Federation of Astrologers (AFA) – The AFA is one of the oldest astrology organisations in the USA offering courses for accreditation.

4)The Noel TyI Master’s Degree Certification Course in Astrology – Master’s Degree has enrolled over 250 students internationally. The course consists of nineteen in – depth lessons. Each lesson will require 40 to 50 hours to complete.

5)Ann Sherman Correspondence 1 & 2 – Ann has 25 years of experience in Astrological study and provides a course that leaves the student with a workable knowledge and understanding of astrology.

6) The Astrology Practitioner Course - This course of thirty lessons gives an understanding and in depth knowledge of astrology.

7) Personalized Astrology Lessons (PALS) from ACS

8 ) Jeffrey Wolf Green’s School for Evolutionary Astrology, Seattle Washington – Classes are given in many locations internationally, including Vancouver Canada, London, Tel Aviv, Copenhagen, Holland and India.

9) Carole Devine’s Exploring Astrology – The course consists of 94 tapes or CD’s

10) Glenn Perry’s Astro Psychology Mentorship Program – correspondence course that features 42 tapes, three books personalized instruction.

11) Astrology Training by Emilie Kelso – Level 1 covers the basics for the beginning student. Level 2, Beyond the Basics, contains comprehensive information equivalent to eight.

12) Astrology, The Cosmic Pattern - Correspondence course since 1977 which takes the student for beginning through advanced levels of astrology.

12) The Carl Payne Tobey Correspondence Course

13) NW Institute of Vedic Sciences – Offers a 16 tape course on Vedic Astrology.

14) Astrology of the seers Correspondence Course – Offers over six hundred pages of material from beginning to advanced levels.

15) Institute of Vedic Astrology – Offers Hindu (Vedic) Astrology classes covering the basic and advanced material.

16) ONLINE College of Astrology - A course series in FINANCIAL Astrology, taught by Kaye Shinker and a fundamental course in Bob Zoller’s MEDIEVAL Astrology.

17) The Faculty of Astrological Studies - Founded in London in 1948 this prestigious organization offers a correspondence course.

18 ) The Mayo School of Astrology - This correspondence course has been offered for 25 years using Margaret Hone’s Modern.

19) Astrology Institute - The Astrology Institute joins psychology with astrology and practical training in counselling techniques.

20) American Institute of Vedic Studies – correspondence course in Vedic astrology available in the West over the fifteen years.

21) School of Astrology in Australia - Offers Government accredited astrology courses.

22) English Huber School, Switzerland - three foundation courses, two diploma courses.

23) Manhattan School of Astrology – comprehensive course of study in astrological science and offers a comprehensive 56 week course in Western Astrology, and a 6 week “crush” course in Vedic Astrology.

24) University of Plymouth, UK

25) University of London, UK

26) University of Southampton, UK.

[Sandeep]

One of the links provided makes fun of UFO. Millions are spend around the world in US, Russia, Japan and even China on UFOs.

Your efforts to examine the credibility of the links is appreciated.
But kindly provide the link so that we can also examine instead of making an unsubstantiated statement.

I was talking about the links provided by geno. Why dont you do through them. So if you are questioning the credibility of that link then I support you. :D



The fact that millions are spent into UFOs only strengthens the potential existence of UFOs :D Unlike astrology, which wont even stand a basic scrutiny, which is why no one is pumping money into it :lol:

My previous post has the answer for this. Many of them are established universities.

[hehehewalrus]

sandeep,
and do u know the no of colleges studying UFOs? :P

there are too many basic flaws in your reasoning - there are 250 astrology crash-courses in india no big deal :) Because a college teaches a course, does it mean they are right? I would go ahead with a Princeton guy then some nameless college in a british village :)

[hehehewalrus]

I was talking about the links provided by geno. Why dont you do through them. So if you are questioning the credibility of that link then I support you. :D

major comprehension problems here!! Let me repeat my question - Will you kindly provide the link that pooh-poohs UFO research? Answer directly to the point (I agree UFOs have nothing to do with this thread, out of curiosity for UFO study, I am posting this here, sorry)

[Sandeep]

List of Institutions in India where Astrology is Being Taught as Part of Sanskrit or Other Branch even before "Right wing fanatics" came to power

Rajasthan Vidyapeeth, Udaipur, (One year diploma course in Bharatiya Jyotish).

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic Vishwavidyalaya, Jabalpur (One year B.A./M.A. /Ph.D. in Astrology).

Vikram University, Ujjain (Paper in Astrology and M.A. in Sanskrit).

Chaudhary Charan Singh University, Meerut (Taught in Sanskrit Department)

M.S.University, Baroda (Research work in Astrology).

Kavikulaguru Kalidas Sanskrit University (Courses in Jyotish Shastra known as Vedanga Jyotish).

North-Gujarat University, Patan, Gujarat ( 2 years graded course in Vedic Astrology by conducting week and classes).

P.S. Telugu University, Hyderabad (has a strong Department of Vedic Astrology running M.A. in Astrology through correspondence)

Awadesh Pratap University, Rewa, M.P. (B.A. (Sanskrit), Jyotish, M.A. (Acharya) Jyotish).

Gurukul Kangri Vishwavidyalaya, Haridwar (Vedic)

Kameshwara Singh Darbhanga Sanskrit University, Darbhanga (B.A, (Sanskrit) Jyotish, Falit Jyotish)

Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeeth, Tirupati (B.A.(Jyotish), M.A. (Phalita Jyotish), M.A. (Shidhanta Jyotisha).

Sampuranand Sanskrit Vishwavidhalya, Varanasi

Shri Jagannath Sanskrit Vishvavidyalaya, Puri

Shri Lal Bahadur Shastri Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeeth, New Delhi (B.A. Shastri)(Sidant Jyotish, B.A. (Falit Jyotish), M.A. Shastri Sidant Jyotish, M.A. Acharya Falit Jyotish

Sree Sankaracharya University of Sanskrit, Distt. Ernakulam (M.A.Jyotisha)

[geno]

Sandeep doesn't seem to have "examined" the links that i gave patiently and with objective thinking! :)

The very first link i gave - the BBC website link - has this to say :

"All sorts of institutions around the world offer qualifications in subjects such as astrology and palmistry, but few of the bodies teaching the courses are reputable universities enjoying state support.

It is therefore unsurprising that the decision made by India’s University Grants Commission to offer cash for the creation of university departments of Vedic Astrology has created a rumpus among some of the country’s senior academics, particularly in the sciences. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/sci_tech/highlights/010531_vedic.shtml


Sandeep should have read the links fuly before going on a google expedition for the names of the universities which offer "astrological" courses.

Most of them are NOT reputable - and NONE of them seem to be "STATE SPONSORED" which was what the BJP govt. planned to do - to "sponsor" Vedic mumbo-jumbo hogwash courses - at the expense of the public-fund - which was supposed to be used for promoting higer-education in indian universities!

There is a mountain of evidences for the BJP govt's intentions to comit fraud on indian education at the expense public money - to promote COMMUNAL education - camouflaged as "Higher education" in the "scientific discipline" or in other words - to fraudulently promote "vedic astrology: as a science - which it is not.

[hehehewalrus]

This thread will be closed!!!!

See, I dont even need a degree from London College of Astrology to say this :lol: :lol: :lol:

[geno]

Most of the institutions that sandeep has given - are places where the "Sanskrit" language is taught and it is no secret that sanskrit has nothing other than these "mAyA" Shastras - masquerading as truth and science!!

Don't we know what the "vEdics" teach as "Jambudweepa"!!! ;) :lol:

[Sandeep]

I was talking about the links provided by geno. Why dont you do through them. So if you are questioning the credibility of that link then I support you. :D

major comprehension problems here!! Let me repeat my question - Will you kindly provide the link that pooh-poohs UFO research? Answer directly to the point (I agree UFOs have nothing to do with this thread, out of curiosity for UFO study, I am posting this here, sorry)

geno's link http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1810/18101170.htm

"In terms of universal appeal, astrology probably still leads its many rivals of more recent origin, that range from the 'we-are-almost-science' genre, of which the television serial 'X-Files' is the best known, to wilder variants like UFO abduction and alien landings on the earth."

[Sandeep]

Most of the institutions that sandeep has given - are places where the "Sanskrit" language is taught and it is no secret that sanskrit has nothing other than these "mAyA" Shastras - masquerading as truth and science!!

Don't we know what the "vEdics" teach as "Jambudweepa"!!! ;) :lol:

Yes the heading itself said that these where places where astrology was taught as part of Sanskrit course. The point I want to make that Indian Government has been spending of Astrology even before BJP came.

Again in the list of foreign colleges There are Universities like "University of London". Again these are places where astrology is taught. Many major Universities spend on Astrological research (may be to prove astrology wrong)

[geno]

I would like to stress that the author of that column in frontline - Dr. T. Jayaraman - who is a theoretical physicist at the Institute of Mathematical Sciences, Chennai - has only told "..to wilder variants like UFO abduction" - and NOT "..to wilder variants like UFO sightings " !!

I think we have to make distinctions between UFO sighting - claims and UFO "abduction" claims. :)

[Sandeep]

There is nothing wrong in studying Astrology. No one is being forced. It is your choice.

And if you are talking about money spend there are more tax payers (Especially the big payers) who believe in astrology that those who dont. :D

[Sandeep]

I would like to stress that the author of that column in frontline - Dr. T. Jayaraman - who is a theoretical physicist at the Institute of Mathematical Sciences, Chennai - has only told "..to wilder variants like UFO abduction" - and NOT "..to wilder variants like UFO sightings " !!

I think we have to make distinctions between UFO sighting - claims and UFO "abduction" claims. :)

If you can believe in UFO sightings then what is so difficult in believing in UFO abduction. If aliens can come all the way to earth why can't they just abduct a guy. :D :D

[geno]

UFO would come under the ambit of "extra-terrestrial" intelligence. It certainly does have atleast "theoretical" grounds - which are corroborated by "theoretical" scientific probabailities.

Astrology has never been known to stand on any kinds of grounds of scrutiny, theorisation or rationality.

It is the very anti-thesis of "scientific enquiry" and it stands only in the "Darker side " of the objective study and analysis as a subject.

SO, even if there can be "claimed" credence to the UFO theories - astrology cannot claim similar kind of "status" from the scientific community.

[Sandeep]

SO, even if there can be "claimed" credence to the UFO theories - astrology cannot claim similar kind of "status" from the scientific community.

Even if I agree with you, the frontline author that you quoted seems to consider UFO inferior to astrology.

Remember "wilder variants like UFO abduction"

[geno]

I NEVER said that I believe in UFOs.

These may even be optical illusions, and the "alien landings" and any kind of "close encounter" with Aliens and alien ships - would not -in my opinion - have any "scientific credence".

I'm only talking about the distant sightings pf "un-identified flying objects" which is exactly they are called UFOs!

The people who saw them cant identify them - thas all!

They may even be some NSA-funded or pentagon-funded highly secret flying missions of "innovative" kinds of fighter aircrafts!

There was a detailed and objective documentary on UFO sightings which was aired in discover channel a few years ago.

They were strongly suggesting that the "Cold War" period American govts. were only trying to "divert" peoples' attention from the real intentions of these "fighter & techno hi-fi machines" - and probably the CIA & all the "deep throat" agencies in the US - were involved in devising this UFO theories and stories! :lol:

Whatever the truth in them - i dont think UFO "abductions" and alien landings stories have any merit in them.

But "UFO" sightings might have! coz people just "saw" some flying object from a distance and they couldnt "decide" what it was!

They could have been anything! :lol:

[geno]

Sandeep wrote :

>> Even if I agree with you, the frontline author that you quoted seems to consider UFO inferior to astrology. >>

Where does he say that???!!! :lol:

Read this para again:

In terms of universal appeal, astrology probably still leads its many rivals of more recent origin, that range from the 'we-are-almost-science' genre, of which the television serial 'X-Files' is the best known, to wilder variants like UFO abduction and alien landings on the earth.

Where does he "imply" that astrology is "better" than "UFO" stories??!! :)

He merely states that astrology seems to have caught the peoples imaginations more than it's rival "Pseudo-sciences" like the Para-normal stories as told in X-files series - that is all - he says!

Why do u wanna twist what he actually says to imply what he hasnt implied! :lol:

Listen to this :

"AMONG the many pseudo-sciences that have a considerable hold over significant sections of the public, astrology has something of a special place."

That author of frontline column clearly says that - astrology is a PSEUDO-SCIENCE!! :lol: :lol:

Why would you wanna "mis-interpret" him so very grossly sandeep?! :)

[Sandeep]

"In terms of universal appeal, astrology probably still leads its many rivals of more recent origin, that range from the 'we-are-almost-science' genre, of which the television serial 'X-Files' is the best known, to wilder variants like UFO abduction and alien landings on the earth. "



Please explain what he means by "wilder variants like UFO abduction".

Anyway I dont think you are going to agree on this and only the author himself can stand by his viewpoint.

So lets talk about ours. You have categoricatty stated that you dont believe in UFO's being alien ships. Am I right? Please make it clear.

[Sandeep]

We have not been able to prove the scientific validity to UFOs as well as Astrology.

But there is nothing wrong in studying/researching about either of them. Because if you dont allow research how can these be proved scientifically.

Astrology (If you believe in it or not) is going to stay here for long. So why not research on it. After all it is older that most other subjects that we research on today and still remains popular.

[geno]

That author clearly states that he does not believe in UFO abductions.

That is my view too! I have stated that UFO's may be or may not be alien ships.

SETI (Search for extra-terrestiral Intelligence) project has been setup by the combined efforts of various leading nations - to identify and "communicate" with any "alien" intelligent beings.

SETI isn't some "obscure" research facility which is located in just one "highly guarded" location in US. It is a Joint-Ops by various observatories(Radio and optical telescopic) in variousl locations of the world.

There would have been a HUGE alert if they had found any REAL alien signals emanating - from distant galaxies.

I dont think they can miss an "Alien" UFO which enters the atmosphere of earth. Even if we accept such a probability - until clear proofs are presented in this regard in a transparent manner - "Alien" landings would continue to remain in the "unexplained" realms of science and not as conclusive incidents.

[Sandeep]

Thanks for the clarification and I agree with you on UFO. I also agree that Astrology has not been scientifically proved.

But I dont agree that Studying/Researching Astrology is wrong or should not be funded. Same with UFO.

[geno]

We have not been able to prove the scientific validity to UFOs as well as Astrology.

Ok we know that! But just because "Both" havent been proved by science - would that automatically mean that astrology has the same "theoretical" basis for a scientific study as the UFO phenomenon.


This clubbing of the 2 things is a malicious and clever attempt to give "scientific" credence to astrology! :)


But there is nothing wrong in studying/researching about either of them. Because if you dont allow research how can these be proved scientifically.

"Black Magic" too has been in vogue ever since the advent of "civilisation". Infact black magic, and sorcery etc. have been practiced by almost all anicient civilisations - and even now - almost all countries of the world have their own "variety" of black magic stuff!! :lol:

So, shall we make "Black magic" as a research paper in universities and better offer PH.Ds in that subject? ;) :lol:


Astrology (If you believe in it or not) is going to stay here for long. So why not research on it. After all it is older that most other subjects that we research on today and still remains popular.

Astrology is based on the Communal and fundamentalist philosophies and thinking of the prevalent religious dogma - of any given nation.

SO, introducing "astrology" course in india - would mean only one thing :

Communalising indian higher education and thereby destroying secular and rational thinking and take us backwards to the archaic religious dogmatic time periods - which is nothing but a scandal! :lol:

And to think of funding this scandalous attempt of communal education with public exchequer funds is nothing but preposterous and atrocious and a retrograde step to anarchy and chaos.

[Surya]

India is a democracy.
India is the largest democreacy in the world. Astrology ought to be an elective, if people wish to take it.
Even if you think that Astorlogy is just superstitious, there are many people who belive in it. And there are many fake astrologers, who have no clue about this "superstition", and making tons of money by calling themselves astorlogers. If there was a degree that a person could get, then the rate of uneducated frauds calling themselves astologers would decrease.

Psychology isn't a Science, because there aren't many things that can be proven in them. Freud was called a perverted, dirty writer, when he first started. But now Psychology can be taken in College as an elevtive, if a person wishes. Same should be with Astrology.

[Sandeep]

This clubbing of the 2 things is a malicious and clever attempt to give "scientific" credence to astrology! :)


"Hey look he believes in god and supports it he is a fanatic, his intensions are malicious."




But there is nothing wrong in studying/researching about either of them. Because if you dont allow research how can these be proved scientifically.

"Black Magic" too has been in vogue ever since the advent of "civilisation". Infact black magic, and sorcery etc. have been practiced by almost all anicient civilisations - and even now - almost all countries of the world have their own "variety" of black magic stuff!! :lol:

So, shall we make "Black magic" as a research paper in universities and better offer PH.Ds in that subject? ;) :lol:


Actually lot of research have been done on black magic around the world :D . Because if you dont research how will you know if it is right or wrong




Astrology (If you believe in it or not) is going to stay here for long. So why not research on it. After all it is older that most other subjects that we research on today and still remains popular.

Astrology is based on the Communal and fundamentalist philosophies and thinking of the prevalent religious dogma - of any given nation.

SO, introducing "astrology" course in india - would mean only one thing :

Communalising indian higher education and thereby destroying secular and rational thinking and take us backwards to the archaic religious dogmatic time periods - which is nothing but a scandal! :lol:

And to think of funding this scandalous attempt of communal education with public exchequer funds is nothing but preposterous and atrocious and a retrograde step to anarchy and chaos.

Your ideology seems to be "He wears thilak so he is communal"

I already made it clear that astrology was part of Modern Indian education before Joshi came in (I had given the list of indian colleges already). So you cannot blame him for "introdusing" astrology.

Then regarding public exchequer also I already told. There are more tax payers (especially the big payers) who believe in astrology that those who dont. If students want to research on any subject then it is goverments responcibily to support that.

Nobody seems to be that much conserned with research on "Shariath Law" or money spend on studying Biblical topics.

[Sandeep]

India is a democracy.
India is the largest democreacy in the world. Astrology ought to be an elective, if people wish to take it.
Even if you think that Astorlogy is just superstitious, there are many people who belive in it. And there are many fake astrologers, who have no clue about this "superstition", and making tons of money by calling themselves astorlogers. If there was a degree that a person could get, then the rate of uneducated frauds calling themselves astologers would decrease.

Psychology isn't a Science, because there aren't many things that can be proven in them. Freud was called a perverted, dirty writer, when he first started. But now Psychology can be taken in College as an elevtive, if a person wishes. Same should be with Astrology.

Exactly, if one wants to learn about astrology teach him that. Its that individuals right as a citizen of this country. If somebody tells me that I cannot study what I want to because someone wants to prove his "secular" credencials, then that is not what the constituition of India gives me as right. Since in India govt still keeps enormous control to itself it is the governments reponsibility to fund that.

I dont think there is anyone here who says that Astrology as a subject has no takers. As long as there is a powerfull desire to learn that subject the government has to provide facility for that.

[geno]

>> "Hey look he believes in god and supports it he is a fanatic, his intensions are malicious." >>

Now now! no need to get jumpy sandeep! :lol:

Clubbing of UFOs and astrology - as if they both share the same level of & same kind of "Scientific" basis - is malicious for sure!

Why are you "cutting & pasting" my opinion expressed in the context of comparitive scientific merits of UFO theory & astrology - to the "belief" of divinity??!!

You sure are fast becoming the "twister" of the forum sandeep! :)

First you said - Joshi did not try to introduce "astrology" as "Scientific" discipline and he did that only as a Arts subject.

Then when loads of links were given to disprove that contention, you then said - Joshi did not try to make "astrology" as a State-funded subject - and when that was also shown to be a wrong info - you started justifying state-funding of "astrology" teaching!

Your examples of "astrology" education prior to JOshi's malafide attempt - doesnt hold water since - they were part of the "Sanskritic" language teaching and also were purely private endeavors NOT funded by the state or the UGC.

But when people wanna fund the communal astrology mumbo-jumbo education - with Public funds - it is unacceptable.

As long as there is no "claims" of vedic Astrology being modern and scientific, and it being merely a part of the private expeditions of the sanskrit "reserchers" - and it being a purely private funded affair - we dont care about that.

Your theory of "most number of tax payers" being astrology believing people is a bad analogy.

If "Most number of tax payers" want to change any particular defence or foreign-policy or any other national policy - can that be done "per se" directly???? :lol:

NO! it cant be! there are elaborate process and procedures involving these Nationally important and defining issues - and these cant be decided based on brute numbers on paper.

Your theory of brute numbers should decide issues goes against the very essence of democratic ethos and basic pillars on which a multi-cultural diverse society like india should function! :)

There needs to be a debate over the "credence" in the claims of these "vedic astrologic" claims - and it should stand the scrutiny of that public debate and enquiry.

It cant be just like that thrusted upon people without any attendant discussions in a democratic and secular spirit.

>> Nobody seems to be that much conserned with research on "Shariath Law" or money spend on studying Biblical topics. >>


Now where did that come from?! :lol:

This is exactly the problem with the sangh parivar lingo! :lol:

Jumping the "saffron" gun in haste! :lol:

[pradheep]

There is first of all a very wrong notion about astrology that planets control life of human beings. This is not the basis of astrology. Astrology is based on a pure science of experimentation, observation and inference of the fact that human life has similar pattern as the movements of planets. This means that by observing the movements of planets we can predict information about human life, because the ancient masters have seen the truth that, as is the human body so is the cosmic body (Yatha pindae thatha brahmandae). It took so many years for modern scientist to understand this. Just because modern science has no means to scientific validation does not mean that astrology is a superstition.

Look at this evidence....

Parry-Hill, Matthew J., and Michael W. Davidson , Florida State University. http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html.

View the Milky Way at 10 million light years from the Earth. Then move through space towards the Earth in successive orders of magnitude until you reach a tall oak tree just outside the buildings of the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory in Tallahassee, Florida. After that, begin to move from the actual size of a leaf into a microscopic world that reveals leaf cell walls, the cell nucleus, chromatin, DNA and finally, into the subatomic universe of electrons and protons.

Notice how each picture is actually an image of something that is 10 times bigger or smaller than the one preceding or following it. The number that appears on the lower right just below each image is the size of the object in the picture. On the lower left is the same number written in powers of ten, or exponential notation. Exponential notation is a convenient way for scientists to write very large or very small numbers. For example, compare the size of the Earth to the size of a plant cell, which is a trillion times smaller:

Earth = 12.76 x 10+6 = 12,760,000 meters wide
(12.76 million meters)

Plant Cell = 12.76 x 10-6 = 0.00001276 meters wide
(12.76 millionths of a meter)


Parry-Hill, Matthew J., and Michael W. Davidson , Florida State University. http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html.


This supports the very basic of astrology that our as is the living body so is the cosmic body, only the magnitude differs. So by looking at the micro we can deduct information about the macro and viceverse. So looking at planets which has a rythmic pattern, information about human life can be intropolated. This is just a tip of the iceberg that modern scientists have understood.

Astrology is a science where using indirect inference we draw conclusions. Since ancient masters have studied throughly the human body and mind and the cosmic universe, they have developed Astrology on these facts. To conclude, we fail to see astrology as a scince when we wrongly understand that planets control human life. But when viewed with the right understandign that we can use planetery movements to deduct inforamtion about human pattern of life, astrology is like any other science which draws inference based on indirect evidences.

Probelms is with us when we see bits and pieces without understand the whole picture. We are getting more trained to become "Right Eye" and "Left Eye" secialists and loosing the wholistic picture.

[geno]

"vEdic astrology" is something that completely dependent upon "religious dogma" which is underlying the entire "vedic" edifice.

What these "admirers" - of the "vedic" astrology are saying effectively is that - the "vEdic" religious concept is the best concept and others are flawed! :lol:

It is communally-loaded and motivated right from the basic premise to the inference!

In order to accept "vEdic" astrology - one needs t ounquestioningly accept all the "concepts" of "cosmos" and "nature" that these "vEdic brigade" proposes!

It's an elaborate hoax to fool the people and impose the "vEdic aryan theology" as the "best" in the world! :lol:

[geno]

pradheep wrote:


Astrology is based on a pure science of experimentation, observation and inference of the fact that human life has similar pattern as the movements of planets.

This means that by observing the movements of planets we can predict information about human life, because the ancient masters have seen the truth that, as is the human body so is the cosmic body

(Yatha pindae thatha brahmandae).

See!! astrology simply is "Human centric"!!

It pre-determines that "Human" are "special" beings of the cosmos!!! :lol:

Astrology - cannot "accept" extra-terrestrial intelligence - since it is a "Homo Sapien" specific "pseudo-science"!!

Can anyone deny this Fact?! :)

Astrology doesnt even say it can "predict" the Life and "fate" of other creatures like animals et al which live on earth!

would an astrologer go inside a Lion cage in a zoo and "predict" if it would eat him or not?! :lol: :lol:

This kind of "special status" to Homo-sapiens is the very basis of this astrology mumbo-jumbo!

AND WE KNOW FOR FACT - that Humans simply came thru evolution and we r not any kind of "spcially" created beings in cosmos.

There would be different kinds of beings in a future millennia effected thru evolution.

And our scientists proposes - that, theoretically - there must be ATLEAST 10 to 100 million "intelligent beings" living planets - just in our Milky way galaxy, which has roughly 100 billion stars!!

We are not alone even in our galaxy!

Cosmos!!!!!

oh puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!

gimme a break dudes!!!!! :lol: :lol:

[Ghlli]

You people sure waste too much time machis. :(

[pradheep]

Astrology doesnt even say it can "predict" the Life and "fate" of other creatures like animals et al which live on earth!

would an astrologer go inside a Lion cage in a zoo and "predict" if it would eat him or not?!

I did not say astrology holds good only to humans, it holds good for evey being in this cosmos. Even to learn about one own's self takes a life time and where is the time for other beings?.

Who denied evolution?. Vedic literature is clear about human evolution. Humans are just as important as other beings of this universe, but vedas claim humans as special because of his ability to enquire and understand the truth. That is why upanishads are not "preaching" books of dogmas. it is a scientific enquiry of questioning and answering. Interestingly the dialgue is not between uneducated individuals but between educated father and son, teacher and student, husband and wife and so on.

If someone looked at vedic literature as meaningless praise of some gods and goddesses and their fights and sex and cheatings, then those people are no different from my four year old son who considers reading my Biochemistry Text book nothing but jumbled alphabets , while his alphabet book is highly ordered and strucured and has some meaning.

[nirosha sen]

Gosh Guys!!!!! :x Where is TORCHBEARER????? Didn't he start this thread?????? Not one word in his own defence????? Mmmm.... :roll:

[NOV]

Guys, nothing is pure black or white. Remember katradhu kai mann alavu, kallaathathu ulagalavu. Why take a stance on something we don't know for sure? Many superstitions of yesterday have become science today.

Don't brush off everything that does not appeal your logical mind. There is a chance that your mind itself is incapable of analysing deeply yet.

Give everyone a chance to speak their mind. Do not draw conclusions based on your personal experiences. Above all, don't let emotions control you.

[torchbearer]

Hi!

Wow? Lot of people know about Astrology, but sadly many know it only in bad perspective.

Meaning of Science is "systematic and formulated knowledge or organized body of knowledge that has been accumulated on a subject" etc....



In today's world a person's notion is that Science only means that which can be proved in Laboratory with the help of test-tubes, microscopes and with trial and error method.
out-side the lab science means which can be seen and detected by telescope and few gadgets.

Of course science is a wonderful thing and doing great thing for the betterment of mankind, but materialistically.

How much material is needed for mankind [b]no one knows not even Scientist.
basically this material generation and scientific knowledge is good to satisfy human needs and wants, but to what extent no one knows not even Scientist.
ONLY THIS IS CALLED SCIENCE !!!!!!!
:shock:
ONLY WHEN YOU CAN FEEL ANY MATERIAL, USE AND THROW MATERIAL AND CRY AND GET DISTURBED WHEN YOU DON'T GET THAT MATERIAL
ONLY THIS IS CALLED SCIENCE !!!!!!!
:shock:

A scientific discovery takes place and it is inducted into school and college books.
and when that scientific discovery is contradicted by another scientist, it means all these years those poor students were taken for a ride.where has all systematic and formulated knowledge gone?
In the name of improvement the real guinea pigs are human beings who have brains to get liberated from all these but instead prefer becoming guinea pigs.

There were really very Great scientist like Einstein and Newton to name a few who have really gone beyond science.

Now whether Astrology is a Science or not?

Of course it is Science.
It is very Sensitive and Subtle Science.
It cannot be proved in Laboratory or by Gadgets.

Suppose if you cannot prove an acid or alkali in a Laboratory then will you call science or the experiment you are conducting as false or superstitious?

NO! because the mistake lies either
1) with you in conducting the experiment or
2) with the solution in burette or
3) with the reagent or
4) with the indicator or
5) the apparatus may not be properly washed or
6) there may be printing mistake in your journal.
or some other reason you better know. You don't simply walk out from Lab saying that is all fraud, false,superstitious or the scientist has cheated us.

Regarding the fraud Astrologers, there are many people who taken undue advantage of scientific discoveries, then do you call science because of this as false and superstition.



BELIEVING IS SUPPORTING, AS ALL SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES AND INVENTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE ONLY AFTER ASSUMING AND BELIEVING IN THEM.

a time will come where we Indians will start believing it when the others start using it, but then it will be too late, as it has been in the case of Ayurveda where they have started patenting it.



Astrology is a FACT and Applied science, everything has been written down by Indian Sages thousands of years ago not by test tubes, microscopes or gadgets or by trial and error BUT BY PURE INSIGHT.

[Sandeep]

Torchbearer,

There are so many fake astrologers now a days that today Astrology has become synonimous with fake. So research and study needs to be done on astrology for it to be grown as a diciplined subject. We can hope students like you and researchers work towards diciplining this subject. After all lot of theories and documents are there. First thing to do would be to understand and organize them to a disiplined subject.

Anyway you didnt reply to Nirosha. Is it possible to give some general characteristics of a person based on his time of birth. Then again my query about whether location matters as per astrology.

[Sudhaama]

Mr. Torchbearer,

TWINS... BORN WITH... "IDENTICAL HOROSCOPES"

I wonder on my practical observation on several cases that the Qualities of the TWIN-BORN are vast different...!

... despite both the Horoscopes.... IDENTICAL ! !

HOW?.... such a strange phenomena... can occur ?

Will you please CLARIFY?

[Uma]

Torchbearer,

If 'guru' is in neecha, does it have good aspect over 5,7,9? It is in neecha both in raasi and navamsam.

[SSathiya]

Twins are not born with the exact horoscope..
they are seconds a part( time between first and second birth) and in those seconds their horoscopes can differ...

Its all about time...

[Surya]

>>
>> Nobody seems to be that much conserned with research on "Shariath Law" or money spend on studying Biblical topics. >>


Now where did that come from?! :lol:

This is exactly the problem with the sangh parivar lingo! :lol:

Jumping the "saffron" gun in haste! :lol:

What does that have anything to do with the Sangh Parivar? :? The point that he was trying to make is, that if some people have a problem with the govt spending money on Astrology, because it pretains to a certain group. Then why don't those people also think the same with studying Biblical Topics, etc?
This has nothing to do with the Sangh Parivar, etc. Unless Ofcourse, those some people are being bias to things pertaining to the Vedic Culture. :roll: But I highly doubt that. :D


///If somebody tells me that I cannot study what I want to because someone wants to prove his "secular" credencials, then that is not what the constituition of India gives me as right.///

:lol: :lol:


SSathiya,
That's a good point. :D

[Sudhaama]

//Twins are not born with the exact horoscope..
they are seconds a part( time between first and second birth) and in those seconds their horoscopes can differ...//

I reiterate that ...BOTH THE HOROSCOPES ARE THE SAME .... rather IDENTICAL.... although the Birth-times VARY BY A FEW MINUTES.

Being an Amateur Astrologer, I have studied this aspect in several cases.

When the Birth-Time differs from one Horoscope to another Horoscope by a few seconds or Minutes only....

... the Maximum change can occur only in the case of Moon placement .

... so to say its degree in relation to the Acendant / Lagna..

In the case I quote here even such a change of Moon has not occurred.

My Question means.... (I repeat)... SAME HOROSCOPE .... for Twins...

... OF IDENTICAL PLANETARY LOCATIONS....

.... with the same BIRTH-STAR TOO for both !!!

Even though the Birth-time varies by a few Minutes.

Such a Minute-difference only by Seconds or Minutes are possible now-a-days due to fast process of Ceasarean-Delivery.

[Sudhaama]

Was there any ASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS by any Astrologer anywhere in the world?...

...Was it IGNORED?

.... What about NASTRADAMUS .... Did he predict?

[hehehewalrus]

tamilanunga maadhiri ee-vaayanga yengayum irukka maataanga.

bombay delhi ellaam poi paarunga - astronomical cost of living. If you want to save a decent amount every month, each middle class home has to earn atleast 50,000. generally they are double income families. ellarum work pannitu veetuku vara night 930 10 aagudhu.

Idhula tamil nadu vandha paartha daily 6-11 pm orey cable tv dhaan, ladies and gents. adhula paadhi channel-la gemmology, vaasthu sastra mannu mattai-nu phone counselling vera.

a lady near my house committed suicide since she spent 4 lakhs to build her house and halfway thru some vastu expert told her that her kitchen is wrongly located.

Bombay la avan-avanku flat vangardhey kashtam, idhula aduppu location verayaam.

Bake-galum velakkennai-galum irukira varaikum these wolves will continue to fleece the middleclass. Vazhga thamizhagam!

[Surya]

Totally! There are so many frauds out there, who have no idea about astrology, who just want to make money.

[nirosha sen]

Walrus - Neethan Indiavin Yethur-kalam Pa!!! If everyone looks at everything like this with enough scepticism, there's redemption yet for the Tamilian masses!!

Valgha Oon Kulameh!!!

[Surya]

Well,
You can't judge all astrologers, and the mass feild of Astrology based on a few Frauds right? The astrologer who does Kumudham Joditham tends to be right usually. He's an example of a real astrologer, who knows what he's doing. :D

[hehehewalrus]

nirosha,
konjam vitta enna mudhalvar aakiduveenga pola irukke :lol:

[hehehewalrus]

Well,
The astrologer who does Kumudham Joditham tends to be right usually. He's an example of a real astrologer, who knows what he's doing. :D

Unfortunately the magazine is a perfect example of a crap/cheap magazine - very good for pottalam kattufying :lol:

[Surya]

Oh totally, I agree. The magazine is a piece of Crap! :D
The only thing worth reading in it is the Jodhidam part. :D

[hehehewalrus]

u mean 'poosanikaaila soru' instead of 'sothula poosanikai'? :lol: :lol:

[a.ratchasi]

:lol: :lol: ... pottalam kattufying .... I like that phrase! :lol: :lol:

[hehehewalrus]

why did Jothida Thilagam Parthasarathy the world famous astrologer kill himself?
there wasnt much coverage of this news.

[Sudhaama]

"Astrology is really an Eternal Occult-Science...a Great Far-sighted Beacon-Light for the Humanity..."

... so said Mr. CHEIRO...the famous Astro-Palmist as well as the Founder of Numerology.

I have observed for the past more than 60 years.. how much immensely Astrology has helped several people... saved many...Extricated a lot of innocents from a grave forthcoming Danger.

... Showing the right-path of Advancement ... relevant to those individuals, based on Horoscopes... and All have stunningly become true.

There are several Lessons too I learnt from Astrology for Practical Life.

[Shekhar]

I am yet to see one unequivocal astrological prediction come true.

I am yet to see one shred of sceintific evidence to prove astrology.

[Surya]

I am yet to see one unequivocal astrological prediction come true. Follow up on all th Astrological predictions, u might. :)

[torchbearer]

Dear Shekhar

Tools for studying and analysing astrology is not Science.

enthusiasm, unconditional-faith and principles of astrology itself are the tools for studying astrology.

[jaiganes]

I am going to step into a little bit of controversial territory here. There were news reports of an astrologer trying to warn Rajiv Gandhi not to visit south india in the month of may 1991. Is it true?

[Surya]

Jaiganesh,
It's impossible to prove it for any side, True or False. I personally think it was true. But HEY! That's just me! :wink:

[Badri]

If I am not mistaken, astrology depends on the relative positions of stars and planets. Now consdier the scientific fact that it takes years for the light of some stars to even reach us. Therefore, the position, as we see it of these stars, was the position they were in when the light left the stars to travel to reach us.

Which might take quite a while, so much so that the star may no longer even be alive when the light reaches us.

In which case, how accurate can we claim these interpretations to be?

Pls note that I do not fault astrology. Everything in my life (including marriage) have been governed by astrology and I have not had any regrets so far in following its dictates. But am just curious.

[Sandeep]

The affect of stars and planets travel at the same speed as light. I hope that will solve your problem

[nirosha sen]

Hey, I was wondering abt the recent earthquake Pa!! Did anyone predict it this time???? Just curious!!

Anything out of the norm is not the be passed, guys!! That's why I still have my Tales thread in full swing! :wink:

[mellon]

Hey, I was wondering abt the recent earthquake Pa!! Did anyone predict it this time???? Just curious!!

Yeah, me too!

How about (y)our Hemant Trivedi JI?????

I thought he had a list of predicted dates posted somewhere :roll:

May be those were only "tsunami dates"??? :)

[Sudhaama]

How far Astrology can be helpful ... on the Fate of a Country... or on a particular Group of People ?.... I am unable to say...

Since most of its predictions on Countries have not come true... to an equal extent and degree.... with Human-Astrology... generally speaking.

... Such a factor is a Mystery... which Astrologers alone explain !

But... that Occult- Science works wonders in Human-Life. .. I have seen several cases remarkably coming true... and even on the past events..

... I have adequate experience... to believe and even DEPEND on it.

One Lady-Astrologer at Thiruvallikaeni, Chennai had given Astrological predictions to me and my several Relatives and Friends....

... many the INCREDIBLE Predictions .... Not accepted nor Believed by me initially...

... Subsequently became STUNNINGLY TRUE... without any EXCEPTION

... but EXACTLY in all respects.....on which I am still wondering !!! ???

[Surya]

/////I have adequate experience... to believe and even DEPEND on it.////

Same here. I wan't a very firm believer either. But I have turned out to work in the exact same field, and flourished at the exact same time which a Naadi Joshiyar predicted. It's is very puzzling how he was right on target.

As humans, we are pretty quick to generalize, I know that there are many fakes out there. but That doesn't mean that astrology itself is mumbo-jumno. It's like judging Alopathy Medicine based on a few Fraud Docs. One will not arrive at an accurate colclusion, and will just be denying something that exists. :)

Regards. :D

[nirosha sen]

Hmmm...Nadi Joshiyaar, huh? Is the one you met any good??? What else did he say, that came true, Surya??? :)

[Surya]

Hmmm...Nadi Joshiyaar, huh? Is the one you met any good??? What else did he say, that came true, Surya???
Yeah, He was one of the good ones. My parents took me to him when I was in the 8th grade. Here in the US, most kids don't know what they want to do until they are in college. The same with me. First I wanted to be a professional B-Ball player! :lol2: then a Doc, then a Shrink, then a Comp engineer, then a writer blah blah blah. He asid that I would get into many things but finally end up working in the financial field. Which has turned out to be true. Last year the same Joshiyar said that I would progress in my job early in 05. Which has also happened. The rest he said hasn't happened yet. He said that I'd get married when I"m 25. I'm 24. And he predicted the death of my parents. Which is about in another 40 years fortunatly! :D



Anyone else ever been to a Naadi Joshiyar? :)

[Sudhaama]

Naadi- josyam is in fact another Topic.... whereas this Topic relates to the Astrology based on which we decide several important affairs in our Life as per our age old Indian- custom...

... such as Marriage ... Property-Transaction... Overseas-Travel... New Business-Ventures ... Court-disputes ... and so on.

And in my opinion... I am a staunch believer of Astrology... as a God-given Lens...

... to know and locate the Germs and Gems around us hidden ... for our future Life

So I have very much depended on Astrology... which has helped me in taking right and appropriate decisions well in time...

Had I ignored the Astrological Guidelines and Warnings given to me ...

... and decided differently... Oh ! What would have happened..!!

I am unable to even imagine the eventual Storm, Doom and Catastrophy!

... Not only in others as well as mine in my long years of Experience..

...So my dear Friends !... please don't look down... at this Divine- Science

... as a Cheap one... No. It helps a lot and lot ... Well-dependable on future Life ..

[hehehewalrus]

Mr.Sudhaama,
You seem to have a fatal and blind attraction to all kinds of superstitions, clichetic and catchy fads and whimsical dreams(making india a paradise - LOL) Such delusions are easy to get when one leaves india and lives in a godforsaken city in the US where you hardly see an ant or a fly on the roads
:D

Paradise indeed, when even the small towns like Theni, Salem, Kovilpatti are choking under vehicle explosion and lack of living space!! Vehicular population in Tamil Nadu has doubled since 1997, last week's Hindu reported. If a non-Hindi state like TN can get so congested, you need not imagine the congestion due to floating population in other states.


Please explain why all a high profile astrologer like Jothidar Thilagam Parthasarathy committed suicide. This is the 3rd time i am asking this question in this forum to all the scientific geniuses who give a clean chit to astrology.

[Sudhaama]

"hehehewalrus"

// Mr.Sudhaama,...You seem to have a fatal and blind attraction to all kinds of superstitions, clichetic and catchy fads and whimsical dreams (making india a paradise - LOL)//

If anybody is different from you... even of Healthy Thoughts and Outlook on Life... based on his / her vast and rich experience in life for more than 60 years...You will call with all sorts of crooked names... hitting him / her .. in your own way... which means what you think and do only are the the right ones !

And You ONLY ARE WISE... and all others who differ with you are the FOOLS?

My dear Friend ... why should you not DEVELOP AN OPEN-MIND of healthy Outlook... following several Role-models ... especially Dr.APJK?... irrespective of your belief or Non-belief on Astrology..

At least will you please reconsider ... that your present negative approach... will lead towards your own detriment in the long run... I am cautioning you... as your Well-wisher... having well-experienced as the worst sufferer too... on the extremities of Life and learnt a lot on the worth of Life for any Human.

// Such delusions are easy to get when one leaves india and lives in a godforsaken city in the US where you hardly see an ant or a fly on the roads //

My dear Sir... what does it matter... whether I live in the desert of Saudi-Arabia or the dense forest of Vindhya-region in India or in a peaceful Town of America loved by all especially rich men of USA... (where I stay now... which you call as God-forsaken) ...

.. How does it affect my Thoughts and Wisdom? (All these places I had stayed)

And... I am glad you don't know that presently I am partaking in 114 Threads in this Forum...

Had you known this fact.. I think you would have dragged all those here in 114 paragraphs...

... because you don't bother about the relevance to the Topic!

//Please explain why all a high profile astrologer like Jothidar Thilagam Parthasarathy committed suicide. This is the 3rd time i am asking this question in this forum //

This question can be answered only by the people who were close to him... The causes of Suicides in general, are many... which varies from person to person...

Now-a-days we hear more such news of Suicides in Tamilnadu either because of Economical Break-down in the family...

or by the sense of Shame due to the uncompromising Love-affair of the Daughter or Son.

Even an Astrologer... has committed suicide... you wonder and Question.

... whereas .. a person who has understood the Reality of Life does not wonder... but only pity him... for his ignorance on applicatiion of his Treasure of knowledge to his own advantage..!!!

It is not the Astrological knowledge which killed him but his lack of WILL-POWER...which has nothing to do with Astrology.

Even many learned persons unreasonably and on flimsy grounds ... had committed suicide. .. which only shows their COWARDICE ..

.Nothing to do with their Wisdom or the Knowledge on Futurology...

...but the lack of proper Mind-application on the Real-life problems... with the strength of knowledge gained.

//...to all the scientific geniuses who give a clean chit to astrology //]

Similar to a Medical-Doctor cautions... on the growing sickness hidden concealed within ones own body...

... an Astrolger... cautions the Seeker ... on the forthcoming Strengths, Weaknesses... accrued through his previous births.

... But Astrology is not the Account of FATE... destined to face...

Since it is only the Balance-Sheet ... with which a person has landed on Earth at the time of Birth.

And so should be taken as a Guideline ... to build up on it...nullifying the chances of getting trapped .... being caught unaware.

I know one case of a Businessman... who was cautioned of a Suicidal tendency... at a particular period... due to a specified reason... because of the mischief of the partner...

The man could not believe it ... because the partner Astrologer indicated was beyond doubt for the Businessman

But Alas... the same partner who was trusted as a high-man ... deserted him swindling some crores... trapping this clean Gentleman wholly and solely.

The innocent Victim ... committed Suicide out of shame.

Another case... One Girl was cautioned by an Astrologer... that just seven months ahead... she has a chance of getting jailed... innocently... because of an unworthy love-affair... by which her lover the culprit... would escape after trapping her in a Murder-case.

Her parents too cautioned... but was ignored by the good-hearted teen- ager of clean character... Finally it happened exactly so... and she was convicted by the court ... although all concerned knew her as an innocent Victim.

She repeanted much.... too late to recover.

Had these persons taken advantage of Astrology... they need not have suffered at all ... knocking the Door of Hell...of such a grave End.

[hehehewalrus]

"hehehewalrus"

If anybody is different from you even of Healthy Thoughts and Outlook on Life based on his / her vast and rich experience in life for more than 60 years you will call with all sorts of crooked names


Mr.Sudhama, pls give an example in my post where I resort to name calling.



... which means what you think and do only are the the right ones ! And You ONLY ARE WISE... and all others who differ with you are the FOOLS?


Where did I say that? Proof? The above sentences are very blind allegations/assumptions from your side.

We will get to the rest of the points later. First lets see if you ready for a mature discussion without inventing statements which i never used in the first place!!

[Ilavenil]

I know one case of a Businessman... who was cautioned of a Suicidal tendency... at a particular period... due to a specified reason... because of the mischief of the partner...

The man could not believe it ... because the partner Astrologer indicated was beyond doubt for the Businessman

But Alas... the same partner who was trusted as a high-man ... deserted him swindling some crores... trapping this clean Gentleman wholly and solely.

The innocent Victim ... committed Suicide out of shame.


Hi Mr. Sudhaama,

I never believed in astrology. I don't think I will also.

But, I happened to go to a nadi jyothidar, who brought out an olai suvadi. The suvadi had poems which started with the names of my parents and number of siblings I have. This happened when I was young. Even though I was shocked by the accuracy of the prediction, I still cannot accept it. I actually want to know that how is this possible? Trying to figure out is it possible at all?

I have another question for you. The above example you have given, says that no matter what, if astrology says something, it would happen. Then what is the role of God? Is astrology is stronger than God? If so, why pray to God? If God is the ultimate, why go to an astrologer? If there is no God at all, where is the role of astrology?

My questions might sound silly to you. But, I have personally seen many families being ruined by the predictions of astrologers (irrespective whether it is true or false), including a very close friend of mine.

What is parigaram? If there is something called fate, how can parigaram rectify it? If something is rectifiable, why worry?

Why are there different kinds of astrology, chinese astrology, astrologies based on Sun signs and moon signs? Will all these astrology predict the same thing for a particular person? Since everybody claims that theirs is the most accurate, how does it make sense?

When we watch programs on tribes living in different part of the world, we are able to apprciate that their practises are superstitious believes, while it comes to our own, why is it different? I happened to watch a program about African tribes in TV. They predict if the marriage between two people will be successful are not by killing cows and looking for the direction of intestine. Since the intestine was clockwise in direction instead of anti-clockwise, they kept postponding the marriage and killing one cow after the other because the couple were desperate to get married. Finally one cow made their desire come true by losing its life. Does it not sound stupid to you? Can you please comment on this?

One more thing, since time of birth depends on what ever the doctor or the midwife says (it is not that easy to watch the clock always, especially when the doctors have lot other things to worry about while the delivering a baby, so, there is always one or two minutes error) and what ever that particular wall-clock says (not all clocks show the same time, there will be atleast seconds to minutes difference), how will that be accurate? What about different time zones in the world? Won't the time conception (becoming pregnant) be more accurate than the time of birth? And this is impossible to tell and hence not useful either. If that is the case, why break our head believing what the astrologers told, when the time of birth could be wrong in most of the situations.

I am asking you only because you have lived long enough to analyse these facts. You will be a better person to talk on behalf of these astrologers.

Thanks.

[Sudhaama]

ilavenil,

// I never believed in astrology......"" I don't think I will also""........//

These words are irritating.. Especially the latter part....Why do you tell me whether you believe or don't believe it...You need not believe it too..And what anybody has to bother about your personal likes and dislikes ... tastes and distastes... which are your personal affairs... Why should anybody need to know ? And why you should you reveal it uncalled for ?

"I don't think I will "... what do you want to convey by this ? .. Your locked-mind (opposite to Open-mindedness) to consider anything even it be based on Reasoning???..

. rather you mean.... you are an ADAMANT person.. OBSTINATE? .. May or May Not be? What does it matter to me or to anybody capable of replying you?

Because we the persons posting our experiences here...are neither the Preachers nor the Professionals to get the benefit from publicising here our knowledge on it.

I have adequate rich experience as a CLIENT / CONSUMER ... dealt with several Astrologers, and Nadi-Astrologers too... and will be able to reply any sensible question in a common man's angle.

But your lack-lustre method of raising the points and starting the matter in an irritating manner... with such an opening remark... you expect me to enthusiastically clear your doubts... !!

Dear Madam, will anybody feel like answering you... if you start like this .. SELF-CENTRED ? However....

I wonder whether you have gone through my earlier posting fully ... paying full attention.

I think you have skipped off the below-mentioned which I copying and posting again for your convenience,

Before I proceed further... please go through my below-mentioned already clarifying your doubts

.//. But Astrology is not the Account of FATE... destined to face....

Since it is only the Balance-Sheet ... with which a person has landed on Earth at the time of Birth.

And so should be taken as a Guideline ... to build up on it...nullifying the chances of getting trapped .... being caught unaware.

Had these persons taken advantage of Astrology... they need not have suffered at all ... knocking the Door of Hell...of such a grave End. //

If you further need any further elaboration... please raise your doubts... I will reply.

[Ilavenil]

ilavenil,

// I never believed in astrology......"" I don't think I will also""........//

These words are irritating.. Especially the latter part....Why do you tell me whether you believe or don't believe it...You need not believe it too..And what anybody has to bother about your personal likes and dislikes ... tastes and distastes... which are your personal affairs... Why should anybody need to know ? And why you should you reveal it uncalled for ?

Dear Madam, will anybody feel like answering you... if you start like this .. SELF-CENTRED ? However....



Sorry Sir,

I don't know to lie or hide my views. I actually wanted to learn from you. But, looks like I was wrong. Thanks any way.

[hehehewalrus]

It is not the Astrological knowledge which killed him but his lack of WILL-POWER...which has nothing to do with Astrology.

I know one case of a Businessman... who was cautioned of a Suicidal tendency... at a particular period... due to a specified reason... because of the mischief of the partner...
The man could not believe it ... because the partner Astrologer indicated was beyond doubt for the Businessman
But Alas... the same partner who was trusted as a high-man ... deserted him swindling some crores... trapping this clean Gentleman wholly and solely.
The innocent Victim ... committed Suicide out of shame.


It is really funny that you justify Jothidar Thilagam Parthasarathy's suicide in Case 1 but in Case 2, you are blaming the suicide victim for not listening to his astrologer!!! :lol: :lol: This is really hilarious!
:lol2: :lol2:



Had these persons taken advantage of Astrology... they need not have suffered at all ... knocking the Door of Hell...of such a grave End.

And I know many cases where people benefited by not listening to astrology!! When I was born(a Friday) an astrologer told my parents that it was very unlucky for a family to have a boy born on a Friday(it seems Friday is best for girls and Saturday best for boys according to this Einstein!). My parents never had anything against me for this(NO PARENT WILL!) and I am glad I have made my parents glad on several occasions, though it may be less than 5% of what they have done for me.

When I was attending computer classes a decade back, there was a brilliant young student in my class, also a Friday born. This brilliant teenager was handicapped in the knee and had to painfully bend for each step. His problem was unique that he had to bend for each step, there was no way of using a crutch or stick. I used to accompany him after class to bus stop(he has to take 2 buses to reach home). Often the bus would take off before he could limp to the steps and board the bus :( He was top 3 in his B.Sc class(it was impossible for his condition to travel to an engineering college on the outskirts) and in 3rd year was placed in a top software company, ranking 2nd out of 75 students in the selection test :thumbsup: [Though I dont like the material culture/love affairs/corruption in software companies, I am really glad that the software world gives a chance for all handicapped people to follow their dreams! :thumbsup:

And instead of treating physically challenged people as special human beings like us, the inhuman astrologers will tell you it's because of the stars or planetary positions or failure of parents to do parikarams!!! :x :x :x

Astrologers secretly desire people to have a fear psychosis - only then they can prosper!! They will never desire the well being of people. A positive confident minded person will have absolutely no fear over his future.
Consider this :

No IIT student's dad will spend 1 naya paise on an astrologer over his son's future job!
Whereas the dad of a guy who cleared SSLC in 3 attempts will spend 1000s every year to ascertain his son's future!!

The difference is in confidence :D And the more fear you generate, the more customers you get. If astrologers really care for the wellbeing of their customers, why cant they give out advice for free??

They are merely Onaaigal feasting on dead bodies!! The more people dying out of fear, the happier they will be :x :x

[Badri]

I guess it all has to do with which kinds of astrologers you run into.

There are astrologers, and then there are astrologers. Yes, a great many guys are the types Vivek would parody in his comedy scenes. But, that does not provide justification to dimiss the wisdom with the so-called wise.

There is a deep-rooted idea in the minds of many Indians that anything that has to do with ancient Indian culture and traditions is probably blindly supersitious. It is a wrong notion, undoubtedly, but one that has gained currency due to the amazing levels of misuse by our so-called practitioners of the ancient arts.

People have always been curious about the future - especially the ones that are too lazy to get results by working towards them. Naturally, they look for a method to peek into the future, and this natural foible gives rise to many a conman. Guess a lot of people would have heard the common phrase, "Vashistar Joshiyam"...meaning, Sage Vasishta was the astrologer who fixed the date of Rama's coronation, a coronation which happened 14 years later. So much for astrology!

However, that said, we must also realize that sometimes, the fault may not lie with the science but its practitioners. If a doctor goofs up, it is he to be blamed, not the medical science. To take a scientific view towards astrology, one needs to first know about it, have adequate data to support/refute it and only then comment. All of us have one or two instances and we tend to theorize based on that. Just as good friend hehewalrus has had a few instances of wrong prediction, another sobsobpenguin might have a few instances of absolutely accurate prediction. Does it prove then that astrology is a perfect science? No more than hehewalrus's experience disproves it.

I think we must keep an open mind, as Sudhama has requested us to do, and then view the subject. If we are not going to approach it objectively, little can be gained by any amount of discussions. The learning would instead become arguing. And as I am sure all of us know, no one wins an argument!

[nirosha sen]

okay, as a mum of two and reader of umpteen books on conception and pregnancy, I would like to answer Ilavenil's statement/query that the time of conception is much more accurate or words to the effect.

Well, according to most bio. books, fertilisation could occur anytime within 72 hours of coitus, because that's how long a sperm could survive in the female's reproductive tract. So that being the case, there's really no way of predicting when conception takes place, Pa.

[dev]

Badri,
:clap:

[Ilavenil]

okay, as a mum of two and reader of umpteen books on conception and pregnancy, I would like to answer Ilavenil's statement/query that the time of conception is much more accurate or words to the effect.

Well, according to most bio. books, fertilisation could occur anytime within 72 hours of coitus, because that's how long a sperm could survive in the female's reproductive tract. So that being the case, there's really no way of predicting when conception takes place, Pa.

That is exactly what I was trying to say in simple terms, Nirosha. May be I didn't express my self properly. We cannot predict the time of conception, which would be the most accurate time to take into consideration (provided that the astrology predictions are true). But, since we cannot predict the time of conception and since making note of time of birth is not that accurate due to observer's bias, why depend on astrologers?

There are no two astrologers who predict the same. Like hehehewalras said, it all depends on how confident you are, how strong your will power is, how tough you are. No matter what the astrologer says, it all depends "YOU". I am not saying that nothing is impossible. But, the probability of something becoming possibile depends on the person who does it.

It is only when you feel like you are losing, failing, you actually approach an astrologer other than when marriages are fixed. Astrologers can easily read you face than your horoscope.

I have seen marriages which have fallen apart, though there was 10:10 porutham confirmed by many astrologers. When asked why, astrologers still said that is impossible, but, what to do, no body could save those marriages. Well I don't think any love marriage couples would have had their horoscope checked. But, I am pretty sure that when something goes wrong, their horoscope would be the first to be blamed.

I do accept that astrology may be correct, that too, just because I don't know about it. But to say that it is a science is not correct. Science is purely based on evidence. Science is reproducible at all circumstances. Even if astrology is proven to be correct, no question that astrologers are taking advantage of that.

If an astrologer can predict his own fate and rectify it (by doing pariharam), he wouldn't be an astrologer any more.

[jaiganes]

Astrology is a science?
hmm, thats a good question.
1. It does involve a lot of precision mathematics.
2. It does involve a high degree of probability study.
3. It does involve observation of planets and their transition and hence allied to astronomy.
4. It also involves documentation of observations in a clean and effective manner.
5. It does involve communication of observation and analysis in a standard manner (ala UML or HTML) .
6. It definitely has taken to the internet and mobiles like an iron filing to a magnet.
But is it a science?
My opinion is YES&NO , both.
However can astrology be taken as a guide or a leading light in one's life. My opinion NO. If you believe in human effort , then go ahead and as Nike says it, "Just Do It". If you believe in a human effort blessed by GOD, then pray and go ahead and just do it. If you are a vedantin mumuksha (a true student of vedanta), you know that whatever is going to happen is of little importance to the atma or the soul and keep doing what you are destined to do. So in all cases, astrology never comes into picture. It is the half believers usually who take astrology as a guidance. My father is a good astrologers , but he has never predicted anything for me, not that he doesn't care, just that he wants me to find out life myself. A good astrologer never gives an overridingly imposing order to prevent a future eb\vent. He only provides tendencies of events and their probablity. It is up to the consumer to interpret it as good or bad. Just a simple tool to choose the least path of obstruction or to prepare the mind for some obstruction ahead. However, what is done by astrology can be done otherwise as well. In my personal and humble opinion, one can be interested in Astrology for the math it has, or for character analysis (observe people and see how much they conform to the general traits as portended by their chart). If you are looking for a guidance spiritually, monetarily or for work, forget it. It would be just a waste of time.

[Badri]

Ah, interesting post, JG...but that is hardly surprising now is it?

There may be truth in astrology...but as I said earlier, it is only for those curious and lazy ones that wish to peek into the future and hope things fall into their laps without effort.

It may be a science, but is it a necesary science? That is the most reasonable question I would like to ask. My own personal answer would be, as JG has opined, a big NO.

Why? Following reasons:

a) If I am a fatalist, then there is no point in depending on astrology. what is bound to come to me will anyway come. So why bother.

b) If I am a great believer of self-effort, then why bother with astrology when I can make my own destiny.

c) If I am a great believer in God, then why bother with astrology, as I am sure my God will take care of me

d) If I am a Vedanthin, then when nothing matters, neither does astrology, so why bother

Any other possibilities??? Oh yeah, I could always be the confused man, running around, "Yethha thinna pitham theliyum" (What can I eat to get rid of this disease) Then and only then is astrology actually useful for me.

[jaiganes]

Ilavenil wrote:

Science is purely based on evidence. Science is reproducible at all circumstances.
I will have to contradict that a little bit. For all the avances of modern science, it is still not that advanced to say that it is reproducible in all circumstances. If you take a look at modern science closely, you will understand that whatever you observe is only because you are in this earth , in this part of the universe which is relatively 'colder' and because leading all this is a probability of a particular cosmic dust 'cooling off' and trapping 'primitive' fundamental particles of the 'big bang'. Now big bang itself is a "theory" as good as any astological postulates. So is modern science all that credible? How many patients have doctors said "gone case" yet have recovered fully. Even science has only a good "probability" of explaining things around us. However Science and common sense is a better substitute to astrology IMHO. Now can science predict the future? well It can. It can give you precisely the same stack of probability that any astrologer can give you. Again as expressed by you in the previous post, it is the individual who has to take the chance and make a choice in fashioning the result. So IMHO science and astrology are both mechanisms to furnish choice to the individual, science has a better "feel" to it as it accepts the equal probability of all events while elements of astrology claim an unequal probability or a biased outcome if certain planets are made happy by doing "parikaarams" or "pleasing the planets rituals".

[dev]

A good astrologer never gives an overridingly imposing order to prevent a future eb\vent. He only provides tendencies of events and their probablity. It is up to the consumer to interpret it as good or bad.

True,Astrologers are only consultants... consultants never take desicions for their clients... :) Likewise,astrology is a guide...It helps Us to be better prepared for our future... This is what my personal opinion is...

[hehehewalrus]

True,Astrologers are only consultants... consultants never take desicions for their clients... :) Likewise,astrology is a guide...It helps Us to be better prepared for our future... This is what my personal opinion is...

And the funny thing is, for such half-truths, these opportunistic hawks charge money - Frauds like Bejan Daruwalla stay in 5 star hotels and charge Rs.500 per question. How cheap! If I knew my friend were in trouble and I charge him a few hundreds for warning him, how cheap would that be!

Anyway, as long as e-vaayans continue to patronise these fellows, they will continue to push india back by 200 years into the dark ages, call it "progress/scientific thinking" or whatever you wish :D

[dev]

:lol: My astrologer doesn't charge me anything when we r abroad... Only when I go to India,I pay him... & that too he doesn't demand any fixed fees... So,as long as I can find astrologers like him,I can continue with astrology... :D

Hi Mr.Sudhaama,

Have you read about Vedic mathematics?...I once found a book when in India... It was so very interesting... Had I learnt atleast 1/2 of what was given in that book,I would've been a good mathematician now... But unfortunately,I couldn't do it so far....I'm planning to bring tht book when I go to India next...

If U know any book for vedic mathematics,pls let me know...

[hehehewalrus]

Hi Mr.Sudhaama,
Have you read about Vedic mathematics?...I once found a book when in India... It was so very interesting... Had I learnt atleast 1/2 of what was given in that book,I would've been a good mathematician now... But unfortunately,I couldn't do it so far....I'm planning to bring tht book when I go to India next...
If U know any book for vedic mathematics,pls let me know...

I have a book in India, dont recollect the author. Its from a Delhi publishing company.

I have gone thru the math shastras. The only useful thing is speed multiplication. For higher branches of mathematics, it is hardly applicable - For new unexplored areas like Discrete Mathematics, Number theory it is of no use. Thats why Newton, Pascal and the modern mathematicians rejected it. Since calculators are legal in all institutions, there is no use for it. Even the thousands of Indian researchers in Math based in Brit and American universities hardly found it as a beneficial tool in research, since its functionality is restricted to number crunching.

[dev]

Hmmmm...The book that I read covered a lot more topics... I too don't remember the author... Will let U know abt it in a couple of months time( if u r interested)...

[hehehewalrus]

Hmmmm...The book that I read covered a lot more topics... I too don't remember the author... Will let U know abt it in a couple of months time( if u r interested)...

I guess you are talking about square root, polynomials, factorization stuff. Higher mathematical research is mostly to do with Set theory line, and nothing to do with numbers. Hence the neglect of vedic math.

[dev]

I C... I just want to make myself stronger in high school maths...that's it... Not very bothered abt mathematical research stuff... :)

[hehehewalrus]

Check the examples on this one. Its more than enough, since websites have more than 80% of material present in books!

http://www.sanalnair.org/articles/vedmath/intro.htm

[dev]

Thanks Walrus,

Will look into it...:)

[Ilavenil]

Anyway, as long as e-vaayans continue to patronise these fellows, they will continue to push india back by 200 years into the dark ages, call it "progress/scientific thinking" or whatever you wish :D

I think you should practise astrology walras, because you have predicted perfectly! :thumbsup:

For Jaiganes,

What I meant by science was, irrespective of who adds 1+1 it should be 2. So, if astrology is taught in schools, all students must be able to predict the samething and it should happen too.

Prediction on losing money in stock market doesn't make any sense because people born in different time, date and place lost tons of money in stock market. Hope astrologers don't predict that we will work in the morning and sleep at night.

What about Tsunami? Why didn't these scientists (astrologist) predict it? Dec. 29, 2004 — NOAA scientists at the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Hawaii went to work within minutes of getting a seismic signal that an earthquake occurred off the west coast of Northern Sumatra, Indonesia. NOAA scientists then began an effort to notify countries about the possibility that a tsunami may have been triggered by the massive 9.0 undersea earthquake. But, we still lost lives only because we didn't have similar system to monitor earthquakes in Indian Ocean. This is what I meant by reproducibility of science. Where ever there is seismic monitor, you could predict events like earthquake.

Moreover the people who died due to tsumani were not born on the same time, date or even country to have same fate. But, it did happen. Why?

[dev]

What I meant by science was, irrespective of who adds 1+1 it should be 2. So, if astrology is taught in schools, all students must be able to predict the samething and it should happen too.

Though 1+1 =2, we used to get a number of different answers for the same mathematics problem when I was in school...:lol: I mean in exams...The rules are the same ,the teaching is the same...but Y did we get different answers?...This is just coz the understanding of diff ppl varies...Likewise,in astrology,the problem is with intrepreting & not with the basics...


Where ever there is seismic monitor, you could predict events like earthquake.

This is NEWS to me... I've not heard of any accurate predictions about earthquakes so far except for one ...China earthquake of 1975, when an evacuation warning was issued the day before a 7.3mag earthquake...


Moreover the people who died due to tsumani were not born on the same time, date or even country to have same fate. But, it did happen. Why?

Being born on the same day,time etc doesn't mean U'll have the same fate... & being born on diff date,time etc doesn't mean U can't die on the same day in a single disaster... If U need to understand all these (fate etc) U need to read a lot to find it out for urself...Only when u explore things on ur own,U'll be able to learn more... Questioning others will not help U much...that too when U r not very open-minded in a discussion ... Read books written by swami Sachidanantha & others ... U'll get much more enlightenment...:) Anyways, I don't want to see another discission popping up as to which swamiji is good & who is bad... Read the books written by whomever U believe in...U'll be able to get enlightened on atleast a few of what U've asked so far...I stress it again...U'll get enlightened & not a direct answer like what U get in science...

[Sudhaama]

"dev"

// True,Astrologers are only consultants... consultants never take desicions for their clients... :) Likewise,astrology is a guide...It helps Us to be better prepared for our future.....//

Yes... 100 % .

.. Similar to a Medical- practicioner who cautions... of Sugar, Heart- attack and the like hidden roots for future diseases.... and if ignored what happens?

... Architect...for example... cautions... .. on the Sub-soil of an area ... unfit for an Normal Foundation for a building... and special-type foundation is necessary... and if ignored what happens?

... as it happened in T.Nagar when the Colony construction wasstarted? Many ignored the advice of the various Civill-Engineers and Architects... and went on with Ordinary foundations... which developed cracks just within a few months of construction... causing an unnecesary and avoidable financial loss apart from legal- disputes.. and inconveniences ... loss of Peace of mind... etc.

... Stitch in time saves Nine... if we know well in advance of what sorts of BLOWS...waiting to hit upon us... caught suddenly unaware
... we can ward off... by means of due preventive measures.

... and also if it be the lucky GAINS and Stremgths.... are in one store for us... as a Balance-Sheet of our previous births.(apart from the Outcome-crop caused in consequence of our seed of deeds sownby us in the present birth)..... we can make use of it to our advantage... well-preapred to receive it...(without Al-Nasher-dreams)

In brief....We can have the Best of our Life....by taking the guidance of a really worthy Astrologer... competent enough possessing authentially proven professional .Track-record.

Astrology like Ayurveda and Manthra-sasthra ... are the part of Vedas ... and cannot fail... if the Horoscope is correct.. and the Astrologer is competent....

...IT CAN NEVER NEVER AND NEVER FAIL... unless the person concerned has done in the current birth...some deeds seriously counter to such innate power by birth..... deserving to nullify or reduce his/her Horoscopic Powers ... Positive or Negative...

... I have seen in my life... several cases of Positive and Negative deeds... which conspicuously defeated the Astrological forecasts.... on which when I pointed to Mr. BVRaman of Astrological Magazine of India in the year 1948 ... he wrote detailed Article in the Magazine... quoting my letter... as well as a supporting Slokam of Varahamihira ... and justified its reality in Life.

So THREE the factors in life are important....

(1) We reap the consequences of Our Deeds in the PRESENT BIRTH ALSO .... simultaneously... along with our past births Bank-Balance... carried over to the present...

(2) Outcome of our past Karma... as indicated by the Horoscope.

... which can be seen only by tthe Astrology the Microscope... while the Lab- Expert's role is the Astrologer's.

(3) God-faith coupled with whole-hearted Prayer.

I have seen in my practical life experience...

...how IMMENSELY ... Astrology.. has helped , saved.. protected.. and added strength to me in my long past....

...making me feel it HIGHLY DEPENDABLE... for my life ever and ever..

If anybody wants to... he he he he .. on us simply because we differ with them...

...one day their Mirror will.... he he he he... on them.

.. for not availing the Golden strength in their hand... thrown out unused..

Angae sirippavarhalh... sirikkattum... Adhu...????....

[Ilavenil]

What I meant by science was, irrespective of who adds 1+1 it should be 2. So, if astrology is taught in schools, all students must be able to predict the samething and it should happen too.

Though 1+1 =2, we used to get a number of different answers for the same mathematics problem when I was in school...:lol: I mean in exams...The rules are the same ,the teaching is the same...but Y did we get different answers?...This is just coz the understanding of diff ppl varies...Likewise,in astrology,the problem is with intrepreting & not with the basics...


Where ever there is seismic monitor, you could predict events like earthquake.

This is NEWS to me... I've not heard of any accurate predictions about earthquakes so far except for one ...China earthquake of 1975, when an evacuation warning was issued the day before a 7.3mag earthquake...


Moreover the people who died due to tsumani were not born on the same time, date or even country to have same fate. But, it did happen. Why?


Well, what I was trying to say is that by monitoring the occurance of earthquakes, we could warn about tsunami and save people.

Though tsunami warning is irrelavant to this topic, I would like to post the information here, so that open minded people like you can be benefited by reading it.

What is the Tsunami Warning System?

The lack of a warning during the 1946 tsunami that devastated many coastal areas in Hawaii, led scientists and governmental agencies to establish the Pacific Tsunami Warning System (PTWS), for the Hawaiian Islands and United States territories in the Pacific by 1948. The main objectives of this system are: To detect and locate the existence all possible tsunami causing earthquakes by the use of properly monitored seismographs; to ensure that a tsunami actually exists by measuring water level changes at tide-gauging stations located throughout the Pacific; and finally, to determine the time of arrival of the tsunami and to provide an adequate warning for evacuation procedures.

What is the difference between a Tsunami Watch and a Tsunami Warning?

A Tsunami Watch is automatically declared by the warning center for any earthquake having a magnitude of 7.5 or larger on the Richter scale (7.0 or larger in the Aleutian Islands) and located in an area where a tsunami can be generated. Notification of Civil Defense agencies begins, followed by limited public announcements by the local media. Data from tidal gauge stations is awaited for confirmation of the actual existence of a tsunami.

Reports on wave activity from the tide-gauging stations nearest to the earthquake epicenter is requested by the warning center. If the stations report that there is no observed tsunami activity, the Tsunami Watch is canceled. If these stations report that a tsunami has been generated, a Tsunami Warning is issued for areas that may be impacted in the next hour. At this time the public is informed of the ensuing danger by the emergency broadcast system. Evacuation procedures are implemented, and sea going vessels are advised to head out to sea, where in deep waters they will not be affected by the tsunami.

How many warnings have been issued by the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center since it was established?

The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center has issued a total of 20 warnings since it was first established in 1948. Of these 20, 5 resulted in significant Pacific-wide tsunamis.

What should I do or not do in a tsunami warning?

Because a tsunami can strike at any time, being adequately prepared and knowing what to do beforehand could save your life. Hawaii State and County Civil Defense agencies provide maps of evacuation zones and information on how to be prepared for this type of natural disaster in the front pages of the telephone book. If you are at the beach and you feel an earthquake or observe a rapid withdrawal of the sea and think a tsunami may be coming, head for higher ground immediately. When a tsunami warning has been issued do not attempt to use the telephone or head to low-lying areas to view the oncoming waves. Remember, tsunamis travel at very fast speeds across the ocean; therefore once a warning has been issued you should evacuate immediately.

About 1+1=2, just because some dumb person calculated it wrong, it doesn't mean it is correct to have different answer for the same question, right? Well, if some one failed in his math test because he is 1+1=3, it is his mistake. But, if an astrologer says 1+1=3, so you will die and getting paid for his wrong death verdict, is not right.

If you say that someone who tries to learn things by analysing and not believing blindly whatever is told as not an open minded person,
I don't mind being called closed minded or locked minded person, but, I still need answers, evidence.

I actually wanted someone who knows astrology, who has learnt astrology to explain why they think it is worth learning and not someone who blindly believes and argues based on his or her believes. Even now I am willing to learn astrology but I want someone who is qualified enough to teach me scientific evidence behind astrology. I don't want someone who says 1+1=3 is correct because, we understand it differently, to teach me. :huh:

I don't think it is worth replying this thread. I am not able to gather any useful information about astrology, other than irrelavant arguements. So, bye bye :wave:

[mellon]

Being born on the same day,time etc doesn't mean U'll have the same fate...

Really?!

Are you SURE?


If U need to understand all these (fate etc) U need to read a lot to find it out for urself...Only when u explore things on ur own,U'll be able to learn more...

Nobody ever said that before!


Questioning others will not help U much...that too when U r not very open-minded in a discussion ...

What if I nod my head whatever crap you or anybody say? Will I become an open-minded person then, according to you??


Anyways, I don't want to see another discission popping up as to which swamiji is good & who is bad...

I beg to disagree, I want to SEE more sensible questions like Ilavenil asked. Do you have a problem with that, mr. open-minded astrologer?

And you never ever answer again. YOU are not good at it, sorry :cry:

[Surya]

I don't think it is worth replying this thread. Really? I've stopped posting in this thread because my knoledge in Astology is very limited. I'm just a believer. :)


I am not able to gather any useful information about astrology, other than irrelavant arguements.

I've learned a few things from this thread thanks to Sudhamma, Dev, and Badri. But, yeah, not too much, because this is just one thread, and it only holds a couple people who really know about this topic. This one thread isn't really a sufficient source if you seriously want to learn about astrology. That's what I felt, so I googled for Vedic Astrology and found info in abundance. :)

Good luck. :wave:

[dev]

Illavenil:

About 1+1=2, just because some dumb person calculated it wrong, it doesn't mean it is correct to have different answer for the same question, right? Well, if some one failed in his math test because he is 1+1=3, it is his mistake. But, if an astrologer says 1+1=3, so you will die and getting paid for his wrong death verdict, is not right.

:lol: ...I never said 1+1=3 is ok... What I meant to say is only those who learn it right will be able to do things the right way... There r many astrologers who have learnt things wrong but somehow manage to make money by using their common sense & human psychological ...Only when U manage to find a well learnt astrologer U'll be able to appreciate astrology...

" Even now I am willing to learn astrology but I want someone who is qualified enough to teach me scientific evidence behind astrology."

My best wishes to U in finding a 'qualified' astrologer who really has the time & patience to clear ur doubts & teach things... learn abt it & share with us the knowledge that U gain... :thumbsup: :wave:

Mellon,
U too can google to learn more abt it... may be I'm very dumb to answer ur que... If U manage to learn something,pls do share it with us... :thumbsup: :wave:

[dev]

Ilavenil & Surya,

If u r really interested in learning astrology,U can try "Astrology for beginners" by K.Subramaniam,K.S. Krishnamurti...
It has 6 volumes...Maybe U can try reading the 1st volume(ISBN: 81-88082-03-1) & if it interests U ,U can buy the rest... I bought this book from India...I'm not sure if it'll be available elsewhere...:)

[Sudhaama]

"Surya"

//"Ilavenil"... I don't think it is worth replying this thread.//

// Really? I've stopped posting in this thread because my knoledge in Astology is very limited. I'm just a believer. :)

...I am not able to gather any useful information about astrology, other than irrelavant arguements.//

Ms. ilavenil...and Mr. Surya... both of you have not noted the uniqueness of this Forum or the like... far discerning from the other sorts of Communications, Study or Exchange or Learning the subjects of our interests.

Dear Friends ... this Forum is meant for all sorts of people ... the Well- learned Experts on one side and the inquisitive common-folks on the other side... both seated equally on the dais...discussing here through Postings...

... Whereas the Audience are the Silent-browsers / Viewers...from all over the World...round the clock !!!...

Participation of the those who know something or everything on the points raised .... involves

... just... EXCHANGE of Knowledge.. by which they add up on their kknowledge as also get satisfied in putting forth their thoughts in the midst of like-minded people.

... while the other Participants who are curious to know.. raise Questions and get their due Replies...... by which they gain new knowledge and awareness... which can be helpful for their life...

... Viewers get their purpose served by getting their time spent usefully and meaningfully... through this Idiot-box.... used by all wise people.

//I've learned a few things from this thread thanks to Sudhamma, Dev, and Badri. But, yeah, not too much, because this is just one thread, and it only holds a couple people who really know about this topic//

No my dear Surya... You can feel free to ask on anything... freely and frankly... nobody is going to judge you by this... nor you lose anything if you are unable to participate as a Knowledgeable person... Everybody cannot be well-conversant in every subject...

So speak out and ask whatever you have in mind... There are people here to reply to you.

You and others are welcome to make the best use of the good postings here to your best advantage in life.

[geno]

Kudos to Ilavenil! :D

Since the arguments here for astrology are based "typically" on vedic astrology, i am tempted to add this one!

The "conservatives" have been "insisting" that India needs to "get back' to her "glorious golden age" (whatever that is?! ;) ), but as Rohit would emphasise time and again, India was under the rule of "foreigners" for a 1000 years isnt it?! ( let's forget about Caucasus, Bactria, Margiana, Central asia, Persia, Iran and Afghanistan and Khyber & Bholan Pass route - immigrants of approx. circa 1800 BCE for a moment here!)

What were those "Vedic astrologers" doing all those years? Couldn't they "predict" the imminent threat to the "vEdic Golden period"?!! due to "foreign invasions"?!

If they can't predict such "BIG and VITAL" outcomes which would affect the course of "Indian history" - where do they get this outrageous tendency to claim "predicting the future" nonsensical rhetoric?!! :)

(Hey - am just taking off on Badri's reminder about Vasistha's failure to "predict" Rama's "adventure" into forest instead of coronation! )

ellOrukkum puththANdu vAzthukkaL! :)

[Surya]

Thanks DEV! :D I'll look for it on Ebay! :)


Thanks Sudhamma. :) Yes. I don't know much about Vedic Astrology. All I know is that it works, from expierence, and Abevathi (my star, kulam etc). If any questions arise, I will ask. Right now, I'm just doing some reading on it. :D

Thanks! :)

[Sudhaama]

Astrology is a part of Veda... preached by God to Mankind... towards his Own SAFEGUARD by preventive measures...

...and also for his Advancement .. by means of his own further efforts.. based on these clues.. applying Wisdom.

There are several Lakhs of Believers of this Great-Vedic-Science... who reaped its rich worth to their maximum advantage...

...and I am ONE OF THEM. ... I am neither an Astrologer nor interested to become an Astrologer for others...(even though I have learnt it... upto some extent... for my sake)...

... nor interested to propagate the Greatness of this Religious- Science...

However my participation here is only to inform those who are prepared to BELIEVE ME.. ... if NOT on ASTROLOGY... in their OWN INTERESTS...

Because I have a lot to INFORM such Open-minded People ...the immense advantage I could gain by such divine advance warning ...

...Not only myself but also Hundreds of my Relatives and Friends.. on my recommendations... who are repeatedly thanking me... for their problems solved . miraculously and INCREDIBLY !!

.As we are meticulously careful in choosing the right Doctor, Auditor and Engineer for our Life- needs... we have to be very choosy in selecting and identifying the right CONSULTANT... in this Field of FUTOROLOGY too.

My Lady Astrologer at Chennai... whose Predictions... have NEVER FAILED... does not charge any Fees nor claim.. Since she says.. . it is the Divine-Vedic Knowledge which should not be sold... as a Commodity... and that she learnt it from her Father... with such a Promise... which she cannot violate... even though she is in wants.

So I voluntarily pay her as much as I would pay to any other Professional, the Standard Rate.

Had I ignored her timely warnings based on Horoscopes...

... my Children's Married Life...... ??? Thank God !!!. You have given me

... a Good Astrologer... NOT AVARICIOUS for Money... but WELL- RELIABLE.!!!

[jaiganes]

Sudhaama ji!
There are honest astrologers and dishonest astrologers like there are honest and dishonest people everywhere. I am not going to go into whether astrology is a science or not. However the question begging to be asked is "Is astrology going to make your life meaningful and better?". Accepting that astrology is going to successfully tell me that next tuesday I have to be careful when I walk on roads. Does it mean it is meaningful? Well If i am careful always, then my life is better. The credit however goes to commonsense and not astrology. There are millions of Indians who rley on astrology to give guidance. Well you cannot say that their lives are "extremely" meaningful. If you go through lives of people who have lived a meaningful life like Gandhiji, Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, M.S.Udhayamoorthy , Socrates. Plato, Kamarajar , will you come to a conclusion that their lives were meaningful mainly due to astrology? Infact people liveing meaningful lives (not like mine a simple software engineer who hasn't contributed much to the society) have no time for astrology. So on either counts the answer is negative. May be you can change the title to Astrology for a curious life. that may be apt. no offense intended.

[hehehewalrus]

The astrology consultant on jaya tv turns up daily and gives you two colors(magenta/yellow) for each guy. How is the colors significant? How can you apply such an information? Suppose yellow is your lucky color and your boss wears a yellow shirt, will you have high chance of getting a leave request approved? :)

[blahblah]

Sudhaama ji!
There are honest astrologers and dishonest astrologers like there are honest and dishonest people everywhere.

Quite interesting!I would surely like to see some 'honest' astrologers!

I thought it is just a blind belief and those who call astrology a science[which could surely be proven so,if that is the case] are welcome to come out with some sort of evidence :lol: .

I am glad that the 'science' called astrology provides some jobs in a country such as India where it is quite difficult to earn a livelihood for the uneducated or the illiterate! :lol:

Then,there are fools in every country and among all people.And there are people who know how to treat them :roll: .

[NM]

Sudhaama ji!
There are honest astrologers and dishonest astrologers like there are honest and dishonest people everywhere.
BB & JG - agree on yr views. In my life, I have seen only one honest astrologer, whose predictions has been (and still is) 100% accurate! No kidding.


I am glad that the 'science' called astrology provides some jobs in a country such as India where it is quite difficult to earn a livelihood for the uneducated or the illiterate! :lol:
Then,there are fools in every country and among all people.And there are people who know how to treat them :roll: .

But, on the other hand, my family and I had the misfortune of being conned by dishonest ones so many times that we have become skeptical nowdays!! :cry: :oops: :oops:

[Surya]

Skeptical of astrologers...YES!! That's something everone should do.

Skeptical of Astrology?....No. That's would be denying something that excists. Most of the "non-believers" Have had bad expierences, if any, with astrologers. So obviously, they don't any better. I'd say that those 'certain' ppl should really get in touch with some honest ones before they pass something off as superstition. :wink: Now how do u find an honest one? Well....try looking around to begin with. :D

Regards. 8)

[Sudhaama]

Hi Friends,

I am surprised... and pained to note the LOSE-COMMENTS .. and stray-criticisms on this DIVINE-SCIENCE... Yes.. I mean it FIRMLY... believe it WHOLLY... assert it AUTHENTICALLY... by deep and careful observations ... for the past more than 60 long years ... personally in my own life ... as well as in the HUNDREDS of cases of my several Friends and Relatives.

Let anybody BELIEVE OR DISBELIEVE me and my statements here...

But I am putting forth the Facts here... in the spirit of...

... Yaan petra INBA-p-PAYAN indha Vaiyam perhuha....

... in the interest of those who are open-minded to avail to the BEST ADVANTAGE of God-given Occult-Scientific Knowledge towards advancement of Mankind

A Doctor may Fail ... but Not the Medical-Science...

An Engineer may Fail... but Not the Engineering-Science.

Similarly... an Astrologer may Fail... but NOT THE ASTROLOGICAL- SCIENCE.

After all, I am just a Client or Customer... in no way different from any common man.... to any Astrological Consultant.

Astrology has helped me and many of my Relatives and Friends... A LOT AND LOT in our Lives.. Even in my family or those of others... I am not disclosing the identity... but narrating the true Episodes here...to prove as to how far it has WONDERFULLY helped us.

(1)One Parent was interested to get their Daughter married only within India... and Not to have any overseas alliance.... whatever great he may be...... since they became allergic to foreign boys.. after hearing some true bitter cases .... like.... "Andha 47 Naatkalh" ...

But when they consulted their Family-Astrologer... she said firmly.. "Your daughter will be married only to an Overseas boy... most probably... in a country ... in --- direction from India... . So you will not be able to avoid foreign alliance at all... because her horoscope clearly asserts that she will become a Foreign citizen... So better be prepared to accept the Realities... even though unpalatable to you... and I would advise you to keep the Passport ready... since the marriage will take place on short notice.

Even then the parents were not prepared to yield to just astrology alone... and went on confining to Indian matrimonials for two years vigourously...Even though several matrimonial proposals came closer... since the Girl was acclaimed to be beautiful and impressive as an Ideal wife ... after their repeated discussions... nothing materialised.

Some of the Overseas boys volunteered ... but was turned down only because of overseas factor.

After two years the Astrologer once again insisted to be open-minded to consider both the types of offers ... advice accepted after getting vexed with the tiresome endeavour with the nationals... Passport was made available ... as also the necessary Finance was kept ready..

Surprisingly one family from Overseas .. came forward on a condition.. that the boy does not have adequate leave... and we are interested to consider your daughter only on two conditions.. Ready- Passport.. and marriage within 12 days...

The boy saw about 14 Girls in India on the same stipulations ... some were even of higher worth than this Girl... but he liked only this one .. and the Marriage was conducted as per their wishes.

Now the Girl is a Citizen of a Foreign Nation....along with her family.

... totally tallying in every minutest degree of Astrological predictions

.. which has helped a lot due to proper professional guidance.. in ADVANCE.

[hehehewalrus]

I'd say that those 'certain' ppl should really get in touch with some honest ones before they pass something off as superstition. :wink: Now how do u find an honest one? Well....try looking around to begin with. :D


Translation:

Santa Claus exists.

Is it? Show me.

Ask Rudolf the reindeer.
:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

[Surya]

Walrus, :lol2:
Congrats!! U've come up with the worst interpretation that I've ever heard of!! :thumbsup: :roll:


According to ur interpretation, it seems that somehow U've understood that I meant

Astrology exists.

Is it? Show me.

Ask Astrologers.

Which is not what I said! :)

I meant:

Astrology Exists.

Really? Show me.

See for urself, Try it before u base ur views on other ppl's bad expierences.

Try, and give astrology a chance, with some actual astrologers, before u pass it off as Superstition. And to find a good astrologer, u need to start looking for them, instead of just making statements, based on the bad expierences of some due to frauds.
There are plenty of ppl here who have had good expierences with Astrology. Why conviently ignore them? :huh:

There are frauds in every field. Does that mean that that field itself doesn't exist?? :? If so, since there are plenty of fake Doctors, is it sensible to pass off Alopathy medicine as Superstition?? :huh: :lol2:

Later. 8)

[hehehewalrus]

surya,
Is Parthasarathy a good astrologer or a bad one?

[Surya]

Not too Sure. I'm not familiar with Parthasarathy. Try AMR. He's a well known astrologer, most of his perdictions have been coming true for most ppl! :thumbsup:

[Sudhaama]

How Astrology has IMMENSELY helped in CRUCIAL SITUATIONS... more instances

(2) One Central Govt.Officer ... got a Bungalow built as per the long- cherished dreams of him and his wife... but could not reside there due to his postings at far off places almost in North india....

So had to let it for Rent..on one main condition.. that it must be made available to the owner at any time on 3 months notice....And for more than 10 years the Tenancy continued... to the one and the same tenant.. due to his good friendly relations

But to the surprise of the owner... the tenant refused to vacate .. when it was sought by the owner after Retirement from service....Tenants attitude totally changed as a malefic enemy... Dragged the owner to Court of law... alleging undue harassment by the owner to the tenant..

Legal-proceedings dragged on for about 10 years... and failed in the High court too... Resulting in the Owner to stay in rented Bungalow paying exhorbitant rent... keeping his own property inaccessible and non-beneficial by its main purpose to him.

Consulted my Lady-Astrologer on my suggestion... Advised to wear a particular Gem for 48 days... within which time .. by its effect as per ManiSasthra (Josya-Pariharam)... the case will turn favourably gradually.

But... on the 21st day... after wearing the Ring with the Gem... the Tenant volunteered to meet and apologised for all the inconveniences ... confessed on his unfairness... and handed over the Bungalow unconditionally ...

... contrary to the Judgement in his favour... permitting for 2 more years

.. and also stating that he has already shifted to ANOTHER RENTED house. !!

(3) One Businessman consulted this Astrologer on his future Business prospecs...Astrologer warned unasked for not to travel on one particular date whereas he had already booked for overseas Airflight on the same date...And on the persuasion of his wife and the Astrologer... he postponed the booking.. .

Alas.. the plane of that date (previously booked and cancelled) crashed and no one was spared alive.

If that man had not honoured the Atrological advice... his LIFE-FUTURE?

(4) Two friends wanted to become Sambandhis ... by means of Marriage alliance... Boy well educated handsome medical professional employed in a leading Hospital... All Astrologers has commented on his Horoscope as Yoga-jaathakam.. and he will be very lucky...

The Boy and the Girls Horoscopes tally very well... Boy's father very anxious to get the alliance materialised since much impressed with the girl...

However the Girl's father... consulted my Lady-astrologer... who said " No doubt buth the Horoscopes are Lucky and match very well... but I do not recommend this wedlock proposal ... because.. !!...!!..!!.

... the Boy is already having a love-affair with his assistant... and now she is pregnant.. eventually the Boy will become the Father in the impending 4 months...

... Boy's parents could not believe... because he is so pious, obedient to Parents... acclaimed clean in all respects... as also soft-natured and well-mannered ...

... when questioned... the Boy denied of such blemish

But when probed .. the Astrologer's prediction came true... eventually the Boy had to confess his secret relations...

...and refused to part with her Lover.... his Assistant.... Hospital-Nurse... .. Left the parents on separation

If it were not known earlier... the married girl would have been treated as just a concubine... while treating the lover as De-facto-wife... as he openly confessed on his secret intentions

Without Astrological advice..the friends Daughter would have become an INNOCENT VICTIM?...

.. and her married Life would have been doomed or not ?.

... which some people may call THEN.. as her FATE!!! ..

Which is Fate?.. To DENY the Vedic-Truth... Human-Science.. and then blame Fate? ... or curse God.. ???

[hehehewalrus]

PS: lakalakalakalakalakalak!!! REPEATA!!

What the heck is that sound? A belching turkey? and you want an encore for that?

[Sudhaama]

Dear Friends,

Our Friends ... Hubbers started asking me the Contact particulars of my Lady-Astrologer at Chennai... for their needs.

Instead of replying to each one of them individually.. as well as for the sake of other Hubbers too... who are prepared to believe me as well as the Astrological-Science.... here are the particulars...

Oh ! Irhaivaa !!! Yaan Petra NARH-PAYAN Iv-Vaiyam perha. Arulhae !!!

...My ASTROLOGER'S CONTACT PARTICULARS .... are...


**************************************************

Ms. GEETHANJALI, Astrologer,

10 / 286, Akbar Street, (Near Junction of Bells Rd + Bharathi Saalai)

Off Bhaarathi Saalai / Ex. Pycrofts Road,

THIRUVALLIKKAENHI

CHENNAI -- 6000 05 ... Tamilnadu State... India.

__________________________________________________ ____

PHONE :-- 044 - 285 10 211 (Repeat :-- 044 -- 285 10 211 )
__________________________________________________ ____

************************************************** *

Let NOT ANYBODY DOUBT my sincerety... I am in no way specially interested in this Astrologer... neither my Relative nor Friend... nor of any concern to my personal interests...

... BUT EXCLUSIVELY IN YOUR INTERESTS... with my pleasure of helpful service.

And with my past experience on my similar suggestions to others ... I have to mention.. because she doesn't demand, nor has any Standard Rate, but believes her Clients as Human- worthy Ladies and Gentlemen.

Please OFFER VOLUNTARILY ... as you feel proper...

... keeping in mind ...any NOTEWORTHY Astrologer... worth the name at Chennai... charges minimum of Rs 100 per visit... irrespective of Questions... and Rs. 50 per Question...

I believe you will ensure... that you are reasonable and Fair ... coupled with the sense of Empathy and Reciprocal- Sincerety without EXPLOITATION.

And I suggest ... to make such Minimum fee... as Rs. 50 .

... Whereas I used to pay her more ... subject to a minimum of Rs. 100 per visit .

.. even it be be for just a few minutes... on just only one Question...

... because of the Worth it deserves and the Value I receive comparatively .

[Surya]

PS: lakalakalakalakalakalak!!! REPEATA!!

What the heck is that sound? A belching turkey? and you want an encore for that?

I take it that u haven't seen Chandramukhi. Watch it. Awesome movie! :thumbsup:

Sudhamma,
Thanks for the Info. Now this thread has become a good source for astrological knoledge! :D

[Sudhaama]

How Astrology has IMMENSELY helped in CRUCIAL SITUATIONS....

From the above-noted True events...

Case :3 If that man had not honoured the Astrological advice... his LIFE-FUTURE? ...

... If it would have turned fatal.. due to carelessness... by ignoring the Astrological warning...

... then people may console that it was HIS FATE to Die. !!!. Was it TRULY his Fate?

Case: 3 If it were not known earlier... the married girl would have been treated as just a concubine... while treating the lover as De-facto-wife... as he openly confessed on his secret intentions

Without Astrological advice..the friends Daughter would have become an INNOCENT VICTIM?...

.. and her married Life would have been doomed or not ?.

... which some people may call THEN.. as her FATE!!! ..

Which is Fate?.. To DENY the Vedic-Truth... Human-Science..

... and LATER blame Fate? ... or curse God.. ??? ..

...Who is WISE?... and Who is Mad to be laughed at?

Is it a WISE-APPROACH.. to ignore the God-given PRECAUTIONARY SCIENCE?...

[hehehewalrus]

that certainly was an interesting incident. Henceforth we shud be careful about forumhub bachelors like geno, surya, suressh, akash, etc.
:twisted: :twisted:

[Sudhaama]

How Astrology CAN IMMENSELY help in CRUCIAL SITUATIONS.?

Case :-- 5 ... One Rich Girl and her College-mate middle-class family boy fell in love.... but both the parents vehemently objected due to several unmatching disparities... like Status, Caste, Age-factor... etc... and most forceful point the parents stressed was that the Horoscopes do not match at all.... So the proposal was made to drop....

Both were barred to meet.. and it went on.. Then the Girl entered a new field... wherein she became richer and bought a Bungalow in another locality... and informed the boy that she is not interested to marry anybody... because of her professional demands...

Boy studied further and got employed in overseas.... In the mean time the Girl got entangled in Income-tax cheating case... as also some other worst leglal charges... threatening her unfailing punishment of imprisonment as criminal.... On her legal-consultant advice... she decided to elope secretly to overseas, to escape from the arrest.. Phoned to the ex lover apologising for all her past wrongs and that she is prepared to come to him and marry immediately... by leaving India on his invitation as a Tourist... Accordingly both met at the overseas country and informed their parents... on their intention to marry.

After trying several Astrologers all of whom unanimously turned down the proposal... the parents approached my Astrologer Ms. Geethanjali.. who emphatically said... that the marriage cannot be successful... not only due to unmatching Horoscopes... but also... the boys Horoscope showing his definite foreign citizenship along with his permanent settlement there .. contrary to the Girl's Horoscopes only indicates her as a Tourist... and undoubtable continuation of her citizenship in her motherand India only...

But the young birds pooh-poohed the Astrology as Humbug.. and that their Love is inseparably divine since already decided in Heaven ... and they married in the foreign country of the boy... But the Pity !!... their Heaven- made- Love coupled with Married life lasted only just four months... The girl suddenly returned to India... since all the all her past floods had drained off... due to circumstancial changes... so she felt safe to continue here... not necessary to elope anymore... So sent a Divorce-notice and never returned.. Now the Boy repeants... because not only his married life is spoiled due to bad history... daunting the fresh matrimonials... as also he had to pay heavily as compensation beyond his means...

Now he fully believes Astrology... Kanh ketta pin Soorya Namaskaaram !!!

Can he Get back what is LOST...Prestige..Money.. Married-Life... Heavy Financial- Loss?

[r_kk]

What a nice story!!!
Mythmaking is going on suceesfully in this thread. Even hubbers are lying to the extend that horoscope shows whether a person is visiting/migrating to country unde which visa!!!

As long as verifyable proofs are not given, this kind of stories will be considered as lies aimed to threaten or misguide the ignorants.

[Sudhaama]

"r_kk"

//What kind of stories!!!...Mythmaking is going on suceesfully in this thread.//

My Dear Sir... You need Not believe Astrological-Science... Nor me... Nor these events ... Nor the TRUTH ... Because... my statements here are not meant for you but only for the seekers....

// Even hubbers are ... lying... to the extend that horoscope shows whether a person is visiting / migrating to country unde which visa!!! //

Why should I lie here?... What benefit I gain by spreading false-stories ?

... I am neither an Astrologer... nor the beneficiary by its. propagation.

It only shows your TOTAL IGNORANCE ON ASTROLOGY Besides.... if you don't know about the extent of reach of Astrology.. please don't pass on such loose comments...

I will be thankful... if you do not HURT ME by insulting like this anymore

[r_kk]

Dear Sudhaama Sir/Madam
I did/do not have any intention to hurt you... I oppose the concepts you are propagating. I am not against you as a person.

Your story story telling process is similar to spreading of religious or superstitious thoughts/stories which contain only mythical characters and well devleoped scenes, with the intention to raise the superstitious beliefs. The aim of such spreading is not an immediate gain but it is the human's mythmaking process to gain more supporters to their ideology/belief system.

Please when you write in future, give more verifiyable details. If any one write "Follow this or you will suffer" kind of stories, I will try to reply with more solid arguments.

[geno]

that certainly was an interesting incident. Henceforth we shud be careful about forumhub bachelors like geno, surya, suressh, akash, etc.
:twisted: :twisted:

yov walrus!

en thalaiya yenya urutturinga!

Sudhaamaa mEla ethavathu 'gAndu' irunthA athai avar mEla nErA kAttungappA!!! ;)

:rotfl:

[blahblah]

Dear Sudhaama Sir/Madam
I did/do not have any intention to hurt you... I oppose the concepts you are propagating. I am not against you as a person.

Your story story telling process is similar to spreading of religious or superstitious thoughts/stories which contain only mythical characters and well devleoped scenes, with the intention to raise the superstitious beliefs. The aim of such spreading is not an immediate gain but it is the human's mythmaking process to gain more supporters to their ideology/belief system.

Please when you write in future, give more verifiyable details. If any one write "Follow this or you will suffer" kind of stories, I will try to reply with more solid arguments.

Please be sure to delete that '/madam',when you post next :D .

I am glad that there are people who believe in such 'astrologers' as I have already pointed out that India is a poor country and any effort to create jobs should be appreciated :D .After all , we woo multinational companies with great difficulty to provide some jobs here,so why not appreciate the effort of some indigenous people to build up a business of their own? :D

I don't see why we should oppose them if they don't have to depend on a govt subsidy to establish their 'business'[which ofcourse is another branch of science :D ] and they have enough 'clients' or 'customers' to survive on.

[geno]

hmmm!

I had a posted something addressed to Mr. Sudhaama here, and i now find it deleted! :)

Whoever deleted it can explain the rationale behind that deletion - if not here they can pm me!

I have stored it in my cache and in case i did not get a pm within a reasonable timeperiod i will post it here again :)

[nirosha sen]

Geno - Could you please paraphrase your Barathiyar's quote, please? :D

You seem to have a lot of these enlightening quotes, Pa!! Why don't you start a thread on it????!!! I don't know much of Tamil sayings myself, but at least I could learn from more erudite hubbers such as yourself! :D

[Sudhaama]

"geno"

// hmmm!.... I had a posted something addressed to Mr. Sudhaama here, and i now find it deleted! :)

Whoever deleted it can explain the rationale behind that deletion - if not here they can pm me!

I have stored it in my cache and in case i did not get a pm within a reasonable timeperiod i will post it here again//

In any case that posting is irrelevant to this thread-topic... So please post the same in the ...

... relevant Comprehensive Thread.. ... ILAKKIYA-MAEDAI.. I will reply there.
.

[RR]

hmmm!

I had a posted something addressed to Mr. Sudhaama here, and i now find it deleted! :)

Whoever deleted it can explain the rationale behind that deletion - if not here they can pm me!

I have stored it in my cache and in case i did not get a pm within a reasonable timeperiod i will post it here again :)
geno,
You post this in public, but ask for a 'pm'..? :? Anyway, being a 'Devoted Hubber', you sure know why it was deleted, right? In case you are still clueless, the answer is there in the very first 2 clauses of our Policies & Regulations.
For further discussions on this, pm me directly.

[geno]

Geno - Could you please paraphrase your Barathiyar's quote, please? :D

You seem to have a lot of these enlightening quotes, Pa!! Why don't you start a thread on it????!!! I don't know much of Tamil sayings myself, but at least I could learn from more erudite hubbers such as yourself! :D

Hello there!

bArathiyArin kavithai onRilirunthu nEradiyAka edukkappatta varikaL avai!

itheiyellAm "paraphrase" paNNanumnA bArathiyAr-thAn varanum! ;)

enakku bArathiyAr varikaLai "paraphrase" paNNukiRa aLavukkO allathu - "maRaikkiRa" aLavukkO "thimir" illai!

[nirosha sen]

When Shakespeare can be paraphrased, why not Barithyar Pa!! Why is that dangerous, you say??!! :)

[geno]

What did you understand by that "bArathiyAr" quote by the way?

And what is "SO" objectionable that you want me to Paraphrase it?

IF you have anything more to say please send a PM to RR!

I wont have any more discussions in this regard with you :)

[kondu67]

Dear sudhamma,
for your info the number of the lady astrologer that you posted does not exist please note

Mohan

[kondu67]

dear sudhamma,
even the address does not exist. does this astrologer actually exist? I truly believe in astrology and I feel you should post the actual address and telephone no for the benefit of others. I am surprised that you have done this after all that you had written about her and her predictions.Coukld you post the address and number once again?

[Sudhaama]

kondu67"

///dear sudhamma,...even the address does not exist. does this astrologer actually exist? I truly believe in astrology and I feel you should post the actual address and telephone no for the benefit of others. I am surprised that you have done this after all that you had written about her and her predictions.Coukld you post the address and number once again?//

Sorry to hear your disappointment in getting in touch with My Astrologer Ms. GEETHANJALI.. at Chennai.

Oh ! Irhaivaa !!! Yaan Petra NARH-PAYAN Iv-Vaiyam perha. Arulhae !!!

I had met her lastly ... about 07 (SEVEN) MONTHS back... at Chennai... at the BLOW-MENTIONED ADDRESS....

... and had also contacted her at the same ... below-mentioned PHONE NUMBER.

...My ASTROLOGER'S CONTACT PARTICULARS until SEVEN MONTHS BACK ... are... CONFIRMED as...

**************************************************

Ms. GEETHANJALI, Astrologer,

10 / 286, Akbar Street, (Near Junction of Bells Rd + Bharathi Saalai)

Off Bhaarathi Saalai / Ex. Pycrofts Road,

THIRUVALLIKKAENHI

CHENNAI -- 6000 05 ... Tamilnadu State... India.

__________________________________________________ ____

PHONE :-- 044 - 285 10 211 (Repeat :-- 044 -- 285 10 211 )
__________________________________________________ ____

************************************************** *

Let NOT ANYBODY DOUBT my sincerety... I am in no way specially interested in this Astrologer... neither my Relative nor Friend... nor of any concern to my personal interests...

... BUT EXCLUSIVELY IN YOUR INTERESTS... with my pleasure of helpful service.

...I heard recently... that. she got her last ... Two daughters (Two out of Three Daughters... Only Children) ... married during this period.... and she became SOLITARY... as a Single Person... at her Old age.

May be she might have shifted her Residence to some other place within Chennai ...

I have verified Once again... on her Contact-particulars... and so I am able to assert that her Phone Numbers as well as Residential addrerss are CORRECT.... as per my last information of 7 months back.

Her Ex. Neighborers may be able to help... or...

... PERHAPS by enquiring at the Thiruvallikaeni Parathasarathy Temple Office... for whom she was the House-tenant ... about one year back.

I am sure... she would not have left this Noble-Profession... being much DEDICATED to it....

... as a Virtuous-duty to Humanity... without DEMANDING ANY FEES....

... and so solely engaged whole-heartedly and exclusively on it.. since the past about 40 years.

If anybody is really serious on the matter... PLEASE TRY... in Person.. at the above Address.. by. ENQUIRING WITH THE NEIGHBOURS.

[jaiganes]

I guess we need one more astrologer to predict where this one moved to!!! :lol: :rotfl:

[NM]

I guess we need one more astrologer to predict where this one moved to!!! :lol: :rotfl:
Aiyoyo...thambi...ithu rombe nallairukku-PA!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[kondu67]

Dear Sudhaama,

I have tried hard to obtain the telephone number of thr Sri Parthasarathy temple as to locate the astrologer whom who have spoken about but failed. As I am stationed in Singapore , its difficult and I hope to locate her if I do go down to Chennai as planned- probably end of this year.
Meanwhile , if you get wind of her whereabouts and contact number , let me know.

Thanks,

Regards

[kondu67]

Has anyone heard of a guy called Vikraman Swami who lives in the outskirts of chennai? He is said to possess powers as to be able to predict the past, present and future accurately. This includes calling you into his chamber by your respective names and going thru every detail in your life accurately! I have never met him but would like to know more about him if any of you have any form of experience with him.His website is www.vikraman.com
Thanks

[Sudhaama]

There are some FAQ 's on Astrology... we will look into them one by one.

If Astrology is correct ....

FAQ - (1) .... why Lord Rama was sent to Forest ... quite contrary... to the same time fixed by his Kulaguru Vasishta... for his Coronation so to say... his Yuvaraja- Pattabhishekam?

FAQ - (2) ... The most Patronisers of Astrology... were the ancientdays Kings and the subsequent... Rulers of the latest days.... as well as the Zamindars... Whereas... almost all of them had miserably failed... rather could not survive the onslaughtys of Fate on them... How Astrology has helped them?... Or Had it failed?

FAQ - (3) ... If Astrology is a Science... why different Astrologers give different Predictions.... on one and the same Horoscope?

FAQ - (4) .... Why on the same Birth-data... different Astrologers give varied Horoscopes?

FAQ - (5) .... Why the Predictions of one Astrol;oger varies from te others... on one and the same Horoscope... After all 3+2 can be only 5 ... and Not different for anybody.. if it is true that Astrology is a M<athematical- Science?

FAQ - (6) ... For some Horoscopes we have found... the Predictions... come true upto certain age of the person concerned... beyond which we have found the life-happenings far contrary to the Astrological predictions... even by the same Astrologers... whose words used to exactly proved correct by events conforming to predictions earlier?... but not later!!... Why?

As a client ...I have practically analysed these points ... and will be able to render the apt replies based on my own experience as well as by observation on several true cases around me..

But before I reply... I want t hear my Friends say... who have knowledge on these points...

Dear Friends,... Please reply to the above Questions.

[r_kk]

Astrology failed and Science Won:
On May 5th, Mr. S. Ramachandran, a famous astrologer, who is considered as expert in weather predicting using astrological knowledge, predicted severe storm and cancellation of PSLVC-6 launch. But fortunately on the day of launch, the weather was clear and rocket was launched successfully. It proves astrology as mere pseudo science which only claims few of the positive incidences (kakkai urkara panampazham vizuntha kathai) as proofs.

Click on the following link for more details.
http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=182137&disdate=5/6/200

[Sudhaama]

"r_kk"

// Astrology failed and Science Won:

On May 5th, Mr. S. Ramachandran, a famous astrologer, who is considered as expert in weather predicting using astrological knowledge, predicted severe storm and cancellation of PSLVC-6 launch. But fortunately on the day of launch, the weather was clear and rocket was launched successfully. It proves astrology as mere pseudo science which only claims few of the positive incidences (kakkai urkara panampazham vizuntha kathai) as proofs.//

Even after the majority of the Scientists were well-convinced... there were a few Scientists... who conducted a Scientist International Association... named Flat-Earth-Theory-Scientists... and were advocating that the Globe is FLAT.

Only after Gagarin .. proved the fact after his travel around the Earth.... those pessimistic Scientists... closed down their Flat-Theory- Shop.... So it was those few Scientists failure of JUDGEMENT.

Similarly in this case ... it is the FAILURE OF A SINGLE ASTROLOGERS Judgement...

Was it concurred by the Majority of the other Expert-Astrologers.?

Similarly... majority of the International Astrologers... predicted about 40 years back... that due to conjunction of 8 planets in one House Makara... it would lead to major Catastrophe at several places all over the world.... including San-francisco in USA.

... which was refuted by a few Indian Astrologers...

And finally... what those few Indian Astrologers predicted came true... Even the Majority failed.

Same case applies to any professional.... including Doctors and Astronomers

Scientists may Fail... but Not the Science...

So is the case of ... ASTROLOGY.... Undoubtedly ... A SCIENCE

[r_kk]

[tscii:24296df274]Thanks Mr. Sudhaama...

It is nice to see your explanation about the so called “Flat earth scientific theories” and your conclusion saying that astrology as science. First of all “Flat earth theories” were part of pseudo scientific theories proposed by so-called creation believers who tried to prove their old religious beliefs. Those people can not be considered as scientists at all since their conclusions are fixed even before their research. Astrology is also similar which is based on mythical planetory system. If you have to declare the astrology as science, can you please explain the planetary model considered in astrology and compare it with astronomy? If you want to claim that the time of birth, location of birth and planetary positions and even “parikarams” can influence/change individual habits and future, then please demonstrate through proven scientific ways not through unrealistic stories or coincidental incidences.
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[Badri]

Just wanted to share a little incident here. You can read what meanings you want into it.

My parents, being traditional believers in astrology, took my brother's horoscope last week to a lady astrologer who came highly recommended from some acquaintances. The lady took a single look at the horoscope and reported a whole series of incidents that had happened in my brother's life, including the fact that he is currently abroad studying, and several other things that she had no way of knowing ordinarily.

This only convinced my parents of her authenticity and they brought out mine next, only to have her once again give an exact summary of the major events of my life so far. She went on to predict/forecast for the future for both of us; how true those are only time will tell, but the undeniable fact remains that she was able to tell precisely, with no margin of error whatsoever, of the past!

Again, my parents are fairly certain that there was no way she could have known about us beforehand, as this was a sudden, unscheduled visit and the acquaintances they had heard about her from did not know these details that she revealed, looking at the horoscopes.

I am not trying to sway anyone's view points by posting this here. Nor am I fabricating a story just to win people to believe in astrology.
Just stating what my parents told me just a week ago, impartially.

[r_kk]

[tscii:808f27a268]Dear sbadri99
Once upon a time I was also came across with similar incidence when I went with my friend to a famous astrologer. The astrologer could able to indirectly tell about number of family members and what kind of business each on do etc etc… But instead of astonishing I started enquiring the possibilities and understood the rackets…

Most of the astrologer when they make Horoscope book, they intentionally leave some codes containing many personal information which normal man can not understand. When you go back to them or the similar astrologer, he/she can easily read those code and make you astonished. It is one of major cheating technique to get the unquestionable confidence on them.

Another one thing, most of the people those who praise about a particular astrolger act as a link between the people and astrologer, provides lot of information indirectly. These astrologers are very smart in collecting information from you and the link through informal discussions and use it back to gain authenticity.

If you want to check the same astologer, make a horoscope of one your frines from some software program without giving much details and show it to the astroger. If he/she can tell any verifiable detail about your friend, you can consider the astrolger has some Supernatural power(!!) which I doubt.
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[Sudhaama]

Nobody can claim that Astrology CHANGES one's future... OF ITS OWN ACCORD...

....Rather as a... PRE-DESTINED..... FATE... or Pre-concluded Life-plan.

No Not so... Not at all.... Your Future to a GREAT EXTENT is in YOUR HANDS...

....And NOT IN YOUR HOROSCOPE..... which is only the Balance-Sheet of your PAST...

... which can REFLECT ON YOUR FUTURE....

So to say... Astrology is only a GUIDANCE on the strengths and Weaknesses... a person is born with...

... like the Wind for the Boat... or the direction and extent of Water- current in the River he is swimming in Life.

People who do not avail the Astrological treasure as Guidance bestowed to Humanity by God...

... are only Swimming AGAINST THE CURRENT unnecessarily...

... instead of swimming along with the River and Cross it... EASILY.

Similarly one Boatman may Ignore the natural Wind-force. and work against it and he too may be able to reach his his destination...

... whereas the other Boatman who took proper advantage of the Natural Wind-power can reach the same destination...

EASILY... and Earlier too... WITHOUT ANY STRUGGLE... like the former..

I have furnished hereabove the FACTUAL EVENTS in my Life as well as some of my Friends and Relatives...

... by which we safeguarded our future miserables... by means of timely Astrological guidance

Please imagine... what a grave after-effects INCORRIGIBLES I would have faced...

... Had I blindly proceeded ... without seeking Astrological Help?... Please read those events and then CRITICISE ... in a Healthy approach without Hurting me.

One more illustration... Suppose you have left your flourishing Industrial Company... to the total custody of your partners... giving them Power-of- Attorney... for several years...

... and then take back your company to your Reins... Will you not study the Balance-Sheets ... Profit & Loss Statements...Important correspondence and History... during your absense...?

And if you start... your functions ... taking into consideration ...JUST FROM TODAY...

What will be your Position? ... PLEASE IMAGINE...

...So is Astrology .... a Balance-Sheet .... of the Past.

... which does not BIND YOU on your Future..... But ..ONLY GUIDES..

... Since Your Future is in Your Hands.... you can ignore the Doctor, Auditor, Architect

... and Astrologer TOO..... LEFT TO YOU.. in Your interests...

[Badri]

[tscii:7fbf161196]Dear sbadri99
Once upon a time I was also came across with similar incidence when I went with my friend to a famous astrologer. The astrologer could able to indirectly tell about number of family members and what kind of business each on do etc etc… But instead of astonishing I started enquiring the possibilities and understood the rackets…

Most of the astrologer when they make Horoscope book, they intentionally leave some codes containing many personal information which normal man can not understand. When you go back to them or the similar astrologer, he/she can easily read those code and make you astonished. It is one of major cheating technique to get the unquestionable confidence on them.

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Dear r_kk

That perhaps is true. But what if the horoscopes were made at the time of birth, as mine and my brother's were? How would these codes be entered into it, about things that would happen many years later? I can understand factual things like number of people in the family! But even then, could the astrologer have known with surety that there would be no addition or deletions to the family later on?

[r_kk]

Dear Mr. Sudhaama,

Please write straight-forward reply.

Can you please compare the planetory position of your birth with respect to real astronomical positions?

Can you make any kind of theoritical relationship (mass of planet. mass of yours, distance between you and planet, force of attraction etc) and tell me whether these dead planets can impose any kid of force on you?

If you can make such replies, then we can start discussing whether it can be considered as science or not.

Badri,
Please read my previous updated post.

[Sudhaama]

Dear r_kk,

Thanks for your Intertest in this Thread ... even though Not interested in

... ASTROLOGICAL- SCIENCE / OCCULT- SCIENCE / .RELIGIOUS- SCIENCE.

... I believe.. RADICALLY .. DEPENDABLE.. whether you believe or Not.

Apart from your Latest irritating Turn of Argument...

.. I am glad you have agreed and accepted with my other parts of Clarification on this Rich-Human- Guidance-Treasure... a part of Veda..

... for which Gesture I thank you once more.

I am interested to ... CLARIFY ONLY TO THOSE... who are REALLY interested to add up to their Knowledge...

.. and to those who are either CONFUSED... or DOUBTING on the Bona-fides... due to their BITTER- EXPERIENCES..

... which sort of other side... I too had in my past more than 60 year experience in Life.

So I hope I will be able...to put forth the FACTS as an Experienced Client.

And if You or Anybody .. takes an ANTAGONISTIC APPROACH... either to DEFEAT me .. or make Fool of me by some crooked means ...

... by converting this DISCUSSION-FORUM .. into a Court-of-Law... or Battle-field... as de-facto..

... I am sorry ... I am Not interested to waste my Time and Energy... by dealing with..

... such People who had already DECIDED TO DIFFER AND DISAGREE .with me..

... on my any amount of REASONING-BASED Reply.

Thanks for giving me an Opportunity SO FAR to putforth some useful TRUTH for the BENEFIT OF ALL those who seek for its Advantage..

[r_kk]

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Dear Mr. Sudhama
Thanks for your reply… In turn I was expecting only such a reply from you.

I do not have any intention to defeat any one here or make the discussion forum as battlefield. I am asking some simple questions which occurs in my mind while reading your lengthy writings. If you feel that my questions are troublesome to you or answering to my simple question as waste of your time and energy, just ignore me and go ahead with your enlightening experiences.

Since you had said you have 60 years of experience, as a matter of respect to your age, I don’t want to make any more irritating (!!!) questions. But please understand that as long as you keep away from such questions and happy in discoursing to blind believers about useless supernatural, myth and effortless pre-determined life, you wouldn’t be heard by current or future generations who have more questions than me.

As “Mr. Chappani” wrote in other thread (know God!!!) about you, we expect to hear lot of useful practical experience from you which can guide others.
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[Sudhaama]

[tscii:f4888c8db3]
"r_kk"

/// I do not have any intention to defeat any one here or make the discussion forum as battlefield.//

Your approach does not appear so... as you say..!!!

// I am asking some.... "simple questions"... which occurs in my mind while reading your...." lengthy writings"....//

Simple Questions ???... I am not an Astrologer.. nor a Scientist... Was it Not MISCHIVOUS on your part to irritate me... by dictating the manner by which I should prove to you... that it is a Science...

My dear Sir... Do you want me to study various books on Astronomy, Astrology and other Sciences ... do Research.. and PROVE TO YOU?

Is it necessary for me?... Don't you feel... Your Negative-approach was an UNNECESSARY ... UNWANTED... and useless Diversion from the Main topic of Discussion here?

Lengthy-writings...????... For the People who seek... it will not appear Lengthy...

but only for those... who just take PLEASURE IN HURTING OTHERS.

// ...go ahead with your enlightening experiences.//

Again a Ridicule... Mockery?.... You have hurt me enough ... Are you HAPPY?

//...such questions and happy in discoursing to blind believers about useless supernatural, myth and effortless pre-determined life, you wouldn’t be heard by current or future generations who have more questions than me.//

Instead of such self-willed pre-conceived Notions about an authentic Divine- Science ( as I believe based on my Rich- Experience)...

... if you had asked me about my Sound- Experiences... I would have happily replied you... based on the FACTS

My Dear Great Gnana-Guruji... Thanks for Your UPADESAM.
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[r_kk]

[tscii:a3e8f96250]Dear Mr. Sudhaama,

Please go ahead with your writings without my interferences from now on. I started questioning here only after you wrote about the following statements about astrology.



“If that man had not honoured the Atrological advice... his LIFE-FUTURE?”
“Without Astrological advice..the friends Daughter would have become an INNOCENT VICTIM?...”
“Now he fully believes Astrology... Kanh ketta pin Soorya Namaskaaram !!!”


If you expect that no one shall ask any questions on your “divine belief” system, then please avoid using this kind of soft threatening statements. If you make such statements again, I may ask more irritating questions irrespective of whether you answer or not.

Since you said previously that Astrology as science, I understood wrongly that you can explain the scientific facts behind astrology. That was the reason for the previous questions.

I don't believe either in "Guruji" or "Gananam" as well as "Upadesam". So, I thankfully return back the credit to you. Please continue with your stories based practical facts.

Sorry, if any of my word hurts you.
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[Sudhaama]

[tscii:466bd9d7a5]
"r_kk"

//Sorry, if any of my word hurts you//

This PROVES ... you are a GENTLEMAN...

... which Healthy-Reciprocal-spirit enthuses me to invite you to continue your postings here... in an OBJECTIVE AND HEALTHY Manner.

... Either... PRO or ANTI Astrology... as you feel proper... time to time..

Because my Object of my participation here is...

... NOT TO CONVERT the Non-Believers into BELIEVERS... No. Not at all

... But only for ...

(1) Sharing with my Experiences.... well-matching with the THREAD- HEADING ..

... "Astrology for BETTER and MEANINGFUL LIFE'...

... Since I have seen so by my experience as well as of several others closely observed by me.... during the past more than 60 years.

( 2) To ALLEVIATE the Misconception that Astrology is a Pre-determined Document of Destiny.... No... But God-given Guidance and Fore-warning.

(3) To DISPEL some doubts on the Failures of Astrological-predictions... EVEN by some RENOWNED ASTROLOGERS.

(4) To CLARIFY... Why and How... MYSELF ... the erstwhile vociferous MOCKERER of Astrology .... during my days of Youth...

... TRANSFORMED.... of my Own accord... into a STAUNCH-BELIEVER now ...in my present days of Last-chapter in my Life.... !!!

//.... I started questioning here only after you wrote about the following statements about astrology.

... “If that man had not honoured the Astrological advice... his LIFE-FUTURE?”

“Without Astrological advice..the friends Daughter would have become an INNOCENT VICTIM?...”

“Now he fully believes Astrology. "Kanh ketta pin Soorya Namaskaaram!!! //

My Dear Friend... if the Topic were just ASTROLOGY, it is a Subject... more pertinent to Astrologers ta speak on...

... In which case my participation would have been different... just as a Client to LEARN.

... But since the Thread-Heading means... the Clients Angle...

... I am ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING ... as one amongst many Client- Hubbers..

... To DISCUSS and MUTUAL- EXCHANGE THOUGHTS... preferably supported by their parallel pro or anti Experiences too.

Accordingly I am participating here ... inviting a Discusion at every stage...

Please understand.. that I am neither giving a Lecture here nor teaching any Lesson... Nor Preaching any Sermon.

And also that... my QUESTION-MARKS... hereabove are ... Meant for you and other Viewers to REPLY on ... Pro or Anti...

... Even DIFFERING WITH ME... Disagreeing with me.. I HAPPILY Welcome..

// If you expect that no one shall ask any questions on your “divine belief” system, then please avoid using this kind of soft threatening statements. If you make such statements again, I may ask more irritating questions irrespective of whether you answer or not.//

I need not further answer this point... In brief I REITERATE...

Comments or Criticisms or Questions...or Counter-points are welcome...

So long they are OBJECTIVE and HEALTHY... without irritating or Hurting ANYBODY..

Nor INJURING Others Sentiments or inexplicable PERSONAL FAITHS AND BELIEFS.

So long anybody raises Questions to me ... in an interesting manner enthusing me to REPLY... ensuring Mutual-Respect...

... I will be happy to Answer again and again to CLARIFY further too.. [/tscii:466bd9d7a5]

[a.ratchasi]

"r_kk"

//Sorry, if any of my word hurts you//

This PROVES ... you are a GENTLEMAN...

... which Healthy-Reciprocal-spirit provokes me to invite you to continue your postings here... in an OBJECTIVE AND HEALTHY Manner.

Dear sir, words of comfort and encouragement with no ill feelings such as above would only come from a gentleperson such as your goodself.

[Sudhaama]

Dear Ms. Ratchasi,

Thanks for your Good-spirit.

Have we not assembled here... ONLY to Spend our precious Time EFFECTIVELY?

(which can NEVER be REGAINED... when once lost .. unlike anything else) .

... and also ENJOY our Hub-time... along with a Team of Friends... in a USEFUL WAY?

... better than developing Animosity and Hatred amongst ourselves...

To those who value my Suggestion.. I will whole-heartedly say...

... Greatest Happiness in Life emanates from our Two Strengths...

...(1) Whole-hearted HUMAN-LOVE.... (2) Truly MUTUAL- SINCERETY

... Since I learnt so ...from my Vast and Rich Experience in Life.

[Roshan]

I don't believe either in "Guruji" or "Gananam" as well as "Upadesam". So, I thankfully return back the credit to you.



That was a superb and most deserved return to a gentlemanly comment by Mr.Sudhamma like this;

My Dear Great Gnana-Guruji... Thanks for Your UPADESAM.


r_kk,

Keep it up ! and keep posting more and more questions and enlighten us. There are lot more people like me out there, who dont rely on such false beliefs. And your questions are indeed food for our thoughts and make us think and not blindly believe. Please continue. :) :thumbsup:

[a.ratchasi]

... and also ENJOY our Hub-time... along with a Team of Friends... in a USEFUL WAY?

Then develop Animosity and Hatred amongst ourselves...

To those who value my Suggestion.. I will whole-heartedly say...

... Greatest Happiness in Life emanates from our Two Strengths...

...(1) Whole-hearted HUMAN-LOVE.... (2) Truly MUTUAL- SINCERETY

... Since I learnt so ...from my Vast and Rich Experience in Life.

How true what you have mentioned is!
When both parties agree amicably, the issue at hand is solved.
However when they are at odds, spewing venom at each other is not the way. We can agree to disagree amicably.

[blahblah]

Dear r_kk,
ASTROLOGICAL- SCIENCE / OCCULT- SCIENCE / .RELIGIOUS- SCIENCE.


:lol2: :lol2: :mrgreen:

Thank God that it is science anyway!!!!!!!! :mrgreen:

How come Harward,Cambridge and Oxford miss it????????? :shock:

Fools!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) [Most innocent icon] :)

[Sudhaama]

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Astrological Science... and Destiny

The Astrologer Ram Ramakrishnan, who is a computer programmer as well as an astrologer, has been compiling sets of birth data for members of families, with the view to ascertaining with a computer the predetermined, karmic elements involved in our relationships. Having established the principles by examining existing sets of genealogical relationships, he hopes to make this a predictive tool, using basic principles of Vedic Astrology. This article sets out to explain his work in this area to date.

Every situation has innumerable perspectives. Each being as true as any other, from their respective points of reference and yet none of them being the absolute truth. Many such perspectives on astrology have been and continue to be expressed -- some balanced and some biased. And I have one too.

No body of knowledge can exist or be studied independently without reference to all other bodies of knowledge -- whatever may be the extent of reference. Perhaps, the underlying philosophy of every subject is the same. If religion talks of sin and salvation, physics talks of action and reaction being equal and opposite. In one there is no attempt at quantification, as most humans (as of today) believe that arbitration on this matter is in the hands of an incomprehensible higher power, while there is a need for quantification in the other, as arbitration here is within the domain of human comprehension -- at least we consider it to be so. It is like studying one subject -- life and existence -- in different languages.

Understanding Life and Existence

If students of science are skeptical about astrology, perhaps the fault lies with us students of astrology. We are not able to express ourselves in their language to communicate to them about the similarity in the basic philosophy. Or perhaps it is our own inadequacy of knowledge or weakness of conviction about astrology that makes us hold back and not reach out to our brethren in the 'scientific' community who are engaged in the same pursuit as we are -- that of understanding life and existence. Maybe I have been a bit too severe on us. But how many of us can claim that we have been correct in our reading of charts every time? That we have been accurate many a time is beyond doubt. We do remember with satisfaction and a sense of fulfilment, occasions where our computations of events and happenings have come true.

The human mind has this uncanny ability of conveniently forgetting unpleasant situations and happenings. For many of us the score of correct and incorrect readings may be just about even -- if we were to make an honest tally. There may have been so many near misses among the incorrect readings, which in retrospect may be attributed to oversight, a slightly imperfect interpretation, or a hundred different reasons. The fact however is that we were wrong -- whatever may have been our basic approach to and understanding and interpretation of astrology, whatever standards or system we may have followed. We indulge in dialogues such as these only because of the incompleteness of our knowledge and our recognition of this deficiency -- whether or not we accept it openly. Masters, if there were any, would have no need for dialogues and interactions. In their state of blissful completeness they would be synonymous with knowledge, they would be IT -- which would include all of us with our imperfections. That we could attain the status of a Master seems quite unlikely, because being born is in itself an immutable sentence of incompleteness.

Is Today "Inevitable"?

Coming to the subject of astrology itself, the basic idea that steers my study of astrology is that today is inevitable. Many practitioners of astrology approach this pursuit with the concept that life is a divine play, moving as it should, playing out complex and interesting themes which we may learn from or not, as it suits us. Logically however, the latter part of the assumption that we may or may not learn from it, will find no place in my assumption. If all is a divine play and we have the choice to learn from or not as it suits us, then we should be independent of this divine play and that would be illogical and would not coalesce with the idea of the inevitability of today.

If today were to be inevitable, then a student of astrology has two reference points -- a birth and an event in time connected with the entity that has taken birth. It should be possible to connect these two with the help of a standard set of mathematical procedures. Further, if in addition to the possible validity of the first supposition, the idea that such mathematical procedures can be evolved using planetary positions as the control variables is also valid, the procedures should work for any two related reference points. The realm of standards and interpretation of astrological edicts pose their own problems in formulation of procedures. As in western astrology, vedic astrology, which I follow, has its own share of multiplicity of standards and differing interpretations. But the wonderful point is that adherents of all schools of vedic astrological thought make correct and accurate predictions * and, as usual, never always (I guess this should be so with other systems of astrology as well).

Planes of Reference

My opinion on this paradox is that standards are merely reference planes. Each plane of reference is associated with a definite set of rules to arrive at the same and correct prediction. The problem, therefore, is not with the existence of a number of standards. Problems crop up when a set of rules is applied to an incompatible set of standards. It should be possible to connect the two reference points in question by many alternative sets of mathematical procedures. Perhaps this opinion is born out of helplessness in coming to grips with this situation of multiplicity of standards and systems. But this is the best that I can offer within my ken and also that which does not contradict my basic assumption of today's inevitability.

For the last few years I have been attempting to see whether this idea is workable considering the specific area of genealogy. Within the ambit of the aforesaid basic assumptions, birth of a relative is hypothesised as follows: planets attain a certain potential to give an event based on their natal positions and associated functional attributes, and the date corresponding to a specific planetary combination in accordance to the said potentials gives rise to the event in question. This formulation is specific to the features of vedic astrology where every moment of an individual's life is seen as being controlled be a sequence of planetary combinations that impart their qualities to that moment in varying degrees commensurate with their position in the sequence of operation.

Mathematical Procedures

The first presentable outcome of this effort of attempting to evolve standard mathematical procedures to account for the birth of immediate relatives from a person's chart based on the above hypothesis, was a paper titled 'A Child -- Biologically conceived, Emotionally perceived, Mathematically derived'.

This paper was hosted on the website of the International Society for Astrological Research (ISAR) www.isarastrology.com in June 2001.

Subsequently three sequels to this paper titled 'The differing fates of birth-date mates' where two or more charts of persons born on the same day but a few minutes or hours apart have been analysed to account for the dissimilarities in the number of their children and the children's birth dates, have also been hosted on this site.

Some Indian practitioners that I have interacted with (as well as some western practitioners) hold the view that astrological edicts applicable to social phenomena are region, community or ethnicity specific and have to be interpreted accordingly. I however believe that they should apply uniformly to any person anywhere in the world and by a similar interpretation. With a database that has about 1500 charts today, the concepts seemingly hold good. And my suspicion that the process of quantification of planetary attributes is seemingly going in a desired direction, is getting stronger. I may still be entirely wrong as the possibility exists that my view is clouded by incomplete understanding, by incorrect interpretation and inadequate computational validation and safeguards. What is being aimed at is not a statistical confirmation that astrology works. It is an attempt to quantify planetary attributes and devise precise deterministic mathematical procedures for each event in life connected with genealogy, that would work on any chart and consistently too.

Recently, I have completed another presentation titled 'Astrological Genealogy' that describes a possible procedure to compute the birth date of the mother from a given chart.

I will be happy to share what I have learnt and continue to, with anyone who may be interested. With this thought in mind, I extend this invitation to all those who may be interested to interact in this research exercise by way of questioning my assumption and techniques and also contributing genealogical birth particulars to swell the database.

R. Ramakrishnan.
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[Sudhaama]

Personality Types, A Commentary on Human Differences

Written by Michael Munkasey, NCGR IV

People are different from each other. Perhaps when we mature enough to realize this then an interest in learning about these differences grabs our attention. But more than people being different, each day presents us with situations which are new. Each day brings both new people and new event challenges. So, what ways do we have as individuals to understand and appreciate why "you" are different from "them"; and also why "yesterday's" approach to addressing a situation is different from "today's" approach?

Astrology gives us one way of assessing such differences.

Astrology also gives us insight into how to approach each situation//
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[Akash]

I dunno if its rite channel to ask this!!

what is "Sevvai-thoosam" and y sevvai-thoosam ppl should marry to other "sevvai-thoosam" ppl..... i remember some one said that there will be a different component will be there in their bloods!! is it true??

[Rohit]

I shall apologise in advance if anybody finds what I am going to post below against his or her beliefs in astrology, believed to enhance human lives.

Why astrology is not a science proper but pseudo science, relying on post hoc fallacy and built around coincidental concurrences of events that occur at differing rates?

Astrology is a proven fallacy of associating two independent but concurrent events. Average human beings have superstitious tendencies of associating some observable facts that occur before or at the same time with the occurrence of events whose probabilities of occurrence vary depending on the nature of event but affect human lives. Otherwise occurrences are totally independent of one another but coincidental due the probabilistic nature of their occurrences.

Let us explore:

Let the events that affect human lives be H1, H2 H3, H4, H5, H6, H7, H8…Hn which represent naturally occurring events or phenomenon like earthquakes, floods, lightening strikes, births, deaths, love affairs, failures, successes, accidents and so on.

Let the associated probabilities of occurrence of these events be P1, P2 P3, P4, P5…Pn

Now let us assign some realistic values to these probabilities

P1= 0.5%
P2 = 4.0%
P3 =15.0%
P4 = 30.0%
P5 = 30.0%
P6 = 15.0%
P7 = 4.0%
P8 = 0.5%
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.
.
Pn = 0%

Now as we all know the fact that scientific laws of physics govern the planetary motions and orbital positions of our planets and their moons and thus also the special events involving them in eclipse, clustering etc. All these events occur at regular time interval and let the time of their occurrence in various combinations be denoted as T1, T2 T3, T4, T5, T6, T7, T8…Tn

If one attempts to sample all events H1, H2 H3, H4, H5, H6, H7, H8…Hn that effect human lives and then look at those planetary events that preceded in time or happened concurrently, one is bound to find all high probability Hns coinciding with some planetary events. One would easily find good correlation between high probability events on earth like earthquakes, financial problems, love affairs, work-related etc. and those events occurring in our solar system. However, one would severely struggle or fail altogether when one tries to associate or correlate very low probability H events like heavy floods, volcanic eruption, tsunami, massive meteorite hitting the earth etc. The reason is simple, all the Ps that occur at relatively much faster rates than the observable events in our solar system are easily correlated. Therefore, one would find it very agreeable to correlate the two events that are essentially independent but differ in their rates of occurrence when faster occurring events are being used for sampling.

The situation gets even worse if events were considered really synchronous, happening at different rates, one occurring at twice the rate than the other was. In that case, one should succeed in sampling the entire sequence of events, which occur at slower rate, but that is not what astrology is all about, it is all about finding reverse correlation. The sampling function itself becomes the sampled, which is carried out at 1:1 rate when their associated probabilities are essentially independent of the events in our solar system. Since, most probabilities involved are high enough for some one to formulate a seemingly predictive system that is purely based on post hoc fallacy. :)

[Sudhaama]

Dear Akash"

//.. what is "Sevvai-thoosam" //

What all I speak about is Indian-Astrology... so called Vedic-Astrology.. a part of Atharvanha-Veda... further codified and elaborated by Varahamihira ... as Jyothisha-Sasthram... a part of Ancient Indian- Heritage... irrespective of Religion.

There are several MISCONCEPTIONS as well as wrong interpretations or unfounded aspersions and the like... by various individual or group of Astrologers... thus making this highly Rich Human-Knowledge-Treasure.. into a Subject of Controversy.

One such Controversial Topic is this Sevvay-Dhosham... which is so seriously deemed.. as a DEFECT... only by Tamilians and Malayalees mostly

In fact I would like to hear from the Astrological-Scholars.. on this phenomena. But basically I explain here in the Common-man's angle.

You know Astronomically ... the Horoscopes are worked out on the basis of Time and place of one's birth...

...And one cycle of 360 degrees is divided into Twelve equal Sub- divisions or Segments of 360 / 12= 30 degrees .Such Segments are called "Houses" in Astrology.. Starting from the Lagna-House or the so called Ascendant-location as the First House..

Each house is pertinent to different aspects of Human-Life .. Like, Education, Occupation, Children, Marital-Life, Overseas-links, Health, Enemies, Sins, Virtues, Happiness, Gains , Losses.. Properties... and so on and so forth.

Each Planet is considered to influence a Horoscope by its inherent Character also... alongside its location

Out of all the Planets.. Mars is called as EARTHLY-PLANET... so to say Maximum relevant to Mundane Life... compared to all other planets...

...mainly for Earthly-pleasures... Properties... attitude of Boldness, Valour and courage to Combat the Vagaries and Challenges in Life by Reality ..etc

So.. in the Horoscope... if the Planet MARS is placed in any one of the following houses.. it is named as a Defect... CHEVVAAY-DOSHAM.

2nd House (Dhana=Money / Kudumba = Family / Naethra= Eye)..

4th (Sukha=Happiness),

8th (Maangalya=Long Marital-Life / Kashta=Difficulties),

7th (Kalhathra=Marital-match, Husband and Wife- Reciprocation),

12th (Bhoga= Earthly-Pleasures / Vraya = Losses / Moksha = Salvation)

Kataka- House... its Neecha-Sthaanam

// and y sevvai-thoosam ppl should marry to other "sevvai-thoosam" ppl...//

Here only there is Controversy and dispute... even amongst Expert- Astrologers .

But as a Common man... being an Open-minded Client... I am convinced on the Positive-side advocation...

... that it cannot be GENERALISED as a Dhosham at all ... just because Mars is placed in a particular House.. whatever it be... Because it is just one factor of approach to start with... but not to be concluded on.

Since there are several other factors too like the ownership, afflictions, aspects by other planets and their mutual relations etc....

I have seen several cases of Persons... especially Ladies... condemned as of Chevvaay-Dosham...

... but were Quite Contrary by Reality... being Happy without any such problems as contended to be as Defect... even pertaining to its placement in Horoscope..

I have found most of such couple matched on the basis of Same- Dosham of Chevvaay...

... practically seen..constantly at LOGGER-HEADS... all through Life... ever since Marriage..

Can we say that the Astrologer has helped by Chevvaay-Dosham factor?.

In my opinion, such half-baked arguments as DHOSHAM.should be condemned...

My personal recommendation is.... not to marital-match the Horoscopes on the basis of Chevvaay-Dhosham... which cannot be so generalised just because Mars is placed in a particular House... which can be a Subha-Yoga (Good-Luck) in certain aspects....

...and even if Mars is weak in a Horoscope.. due to its Debilitation as Neecha... it can be considered as the CONTRARY one to Dhosha...

... if it denotes NEECHA-BANGA-RAJA-YOGAM... a Royal Good-Luck.

In my Opinion... Chevvaay-Dhosham... should be treated as INSIGNIFICANT .

...and that we should consider the Horoscopes... on the individual overall character of the Horoscopes ... by the dint of PROPENSITIES, ATTITUDES, other Mind-Characters ... innate Strengths and Weaknesses by each planetary-placements, Planetary- mights, Aspects, Yogas (Lucks or Ill-lucks in different aspects) . etc...ONLY.

Mars... basically being a Warrior planet... INVARIABLY in every person employed in the Filed-forces of either the Police or Military ... we can find the INFLUENTIAL POSITION of Mars in their Horoscopes..... Incredible!!! ... but True.

So we have to remember that..

... TWO WARRIORS Cannot Ride on a SINGLE-HORSE... so called Family.

//.. i remember some one said that there will be a different component will be there in their bloods!! is it true??//

Even though Mars is called as a Violent-planet... connected with Injury, Surgery etc....

.. in my opinion... What you say...... CANNOT BE CORRECT .

However... I am anxious to know the Experts Counsels on these matters.

[Nichiro]

Hello Hubbers,

I was keeping away from Astrology topics on purpose.
When I posted my predictions that came true, I was ridiculed and hounded by some friends.
If you are interested, I can post my research papers in astrology which draw a parellel with modern science.

My research revolves around much maligned Rahu.

Nichiro :?:

[Rohit]

r_kk,

Keep it up ! and keep posting more and more questions and enlighten us. There are lot more people like me out there, who dont rely on such false beliefs. And your questions are indeed food for our thoughts and make us think and not blindly believe. Please continue. :) :thumbsup:

If I may add to what Roshan has contended.

One just needs to apply what one has; and soon one will gain what he or she doesn’t have. In the process, what one doesn’t utilise what one has, would soon get demolished and no questions would remain afterwards as, of course, nothing would be left that has the capacity to question.

And exactly that was and still is the precise plan behind the philosophies of non-thinking human machines and robots. :wink: :)

[Nichiro]

Dear Sudhaamaji,
I agree with you about chevvai dosham.
It is a much hyped dosham that has served the astrologers to make some money in propitiation poojas.
In my experience, Kuja Dosam people , generally have excess hormonal activity and are prone to quick temper.
7th Kuja and Lagna kuja are two places (12th Kuja also) where marital life is not smooth.

I have not read the whole thread so I cannot comment much.

Of course some intelligent usage of my signature has not escaped by attention.

Nichiro :?:

[Sudhaama]

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..... BLIND-SCIENCE ...and... LAME-RELIGION... for Life. ??? !!!

Dear Mr."Rohit"

Well-said...

//One just needs to apply what one has;//

Yes...Hidden-God... behind Nature.... has provided the Humanity abundant Means and Treasure EXTERNALLY...

... so as to exist and advance meaningfully ... worthy enough towards the purpose of Life...

... as also...INTERNALLY... SUPREME EARTHLY-MIGHT... Human-Wisdom

... so as to to DISCERN and chose the best amongst various options available to Mankind..

... as also chose the proper approach through the APT-DOOR suited to his Individual-Life- Principles.

//.. and soon one will gain what he or she doesn’t have.//

Yes.... One will REAP ... what He / She has SOWN... Gain or Loss the Outcome.

//... In the process, what one doesn’t utilise what one has, would soon get demolished//

Yes... but Not Demolished... (since the Demolishment is done by an outer power other than the Object)

... but will go in vain similar to a Milky Cow.. unmilked..leaving it waste...

//.. and no questions would remain y to question //.

Yes .. Mostly... Since Yet there are Several Questions of Human-Wisdom YET unanswered in Religion as Well as in Science too...

.. On which the Search and Research by the respective Scholars... persist.

// And exactly that was and still is the precise plan behind the philosophies of non-thinking human machines and robots.//

Yes... Yes... Yes... But behind such Non-thinking Artificial-Brains... there is an Organiser cum Monitor in a form of unseen Human-wisdom either pre-stored or working concurrently

To alleviate such confusions on the Wisdom-application.. the "Great Father of the Scientists".. Mr. Eisteine... has laid out a Formulae...

... a Science-Thirukkurlalh Proverb .. ( Seven-seas extent of HIGH SENSE condensed and micro-packed within a Tiny Mustard- Seed)...

Science without Religion is BLIND.
Religion without Science is LAME..

I still maintain the above statement by Einsteine as the CORRECT Original Version...

... unlike some people who advocate in the other way for Lame and Blind.... on which there was a volley of arguments by the then Scientists with Einsteine after his utterance... but finally reiterated by the Originator confirming as above.

There are points to argue on both ways... But for those who know the context under which the aforesaid proverb emanated... I need not elaborate ... nor clarify

Because they can easily understand and appreciate the practical- sense intended for application in Human-Life... ETERNALLY.

In brief... a BLIND-Science (being a subject entirely based on Reasoning... palpable within the bounds of Mankind)

... cannot proceed further... beyond certain Stage ...getting blocked... being DEPENDANT on others even for Self-care-needs...

Religious approach can only SEE and SHOW... the Goal... but cannot Reach it.... being LAME.

There arises mutual helps of Lame and the Blind.

...the Religious approach of Optimism based on Faith and Confidence (which may sometimes be UNFOUNDED bereft of Reasoning too)...

...Yet... still... by the support of MIND-POWER more than the Brain-power...is QUITE IMPERATIVE and Inevitable..

....beyond such a stage... of LOGICAL- stagnation in the course of the process

Ultimately a BLIND-Science is able to cross a River.. carrying a Religious LAME on his Shoulders.... as Guide to Science..

...ensuring BOTH the Lame and Blind.. TO GET THEIR NEEDS SOLVED

So, the ASTROLOGY . a "Religious-Science (being coupled with Divinity)"... lacks Scientific Resoning beyond certain stage...

... such a Subsequent content being of Religious- nature...

..can be PERCEPTIBLE only by MIND POWER of Faith and Confidence, Enthusiasm, Dynamism

... and the like Human-Mind- Supremacy ... more than the BRAIN-POWER

In brief... in case of Astrology too... the Mind-Power by Faith and Confidence guides the Mankind

... being carried forward by Reasoning Brain-power... coupled with Physical Energy

... to IMPLEMENT the Guidance -plan directing towards the Goal by Mind
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[Sudhaama]

... Vasishta's PREDICTION on Rama- Pattabhishekam FAILED?

Why? and How? ... in Ramayana... the Scholar- Sage Vasishta's prediction and his chosen Muhoorththam for Rama-Pattabhishekam utterly failed?

No.. it did not Fail... One important point we have to remember on Ramayana... that the whole Life-History of Rama was PRE-WRITTEN by its author... the Hunter-turned Sage Valmiki.... which was enacted strictly conforming to the Events and Utterances by all ... rather each and every character... including Vasishta-maha-rishi.

So Vasishta duly plays his role effectively... ENACTING as the Kula-guru... chose the best possible time... the next day... available within the impending week.... for Pattabhishekam.

In the course of the previous week, Dasaratha laments to Vasishta... (his most trusted person and also Guru).... on his inauspicious oft-repeated Night-dreams in his sleep... indicating his near-future Death... alongside separation from his affectionate Son Rama.

Vasishta cooly replied... "Whatever is One's Fate... he has to confront"

Then Dasaratha says..." If so before I leave the Earth ... let me complete my duty of entrusting the Throne of the Kingdom to my Son Rama... lest it may lead to turmoil after my death.

Saying so he called for the Advisory-Eperts meet... and feels happy and elatedto know of ther unanimous support for Rama... totally concurring with Dasarathaon the urgency too.

Then Vasishta was called to choose a Muhoortham. Accordingly the Guru keenly studied all the Horscopes of the Ayodhya-Country, Dasaratha, as well as of Rama too... and declares...

"Alas... Dasaratha... a very bad period is forthcoming for the country as well as you and Rama too... His Horoscope shows that he will leave the Kingdom to Forest as a Sanyasi"

"Oh! Is it so.. then let us crown him at the earliest so that such inauspicious events can be prevented by the luck of Rama... since his Horoscope is the luckiest ever in the world. Find out the eraliest Muhoortham"... Dasaratha.

"Although ... "NOT THE BEST AND APT".... Right tomorrow early morning prior to Sunrise... seems somewhat better than all other forthcoming days of three full months..."

"Then Go ahead"... commands Dasaratha to all concerned.

Vasishta knew well... that the Muhoortham he fixed was NOT FOR THE PATTABHISHEKAM...

... but an Auspicious time to commence the 14 year Vow of Forest-Stay by Rama ....

... Which No doubt FAILED TO THE LEAST... but successfully FULFILLED.. conforming to the Purpose of Ramayana.

[r_kk]

Dear Mr. Sudhaama,
your responses are again based on mythical stories. Why can't you take up some verifiable incidences.

[sangai_j]

hi

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr."sangai_j"

//.... I hope you can help me...My details are:...We are in love for the past 6 years and want to get married. When will the marriage happen. Things are not moving forward at all. Lots of obstacles when marriage talks open up amongst elders.... //

For the sake of such PRIVATE-CORRESPONDENCE.. You can make use of the facility provded as "pm". ... directly.

Whereas this thread-space is NOT INTENDED for such PERSONAL MATTERS of Individual- concern only.

So please DELETE your last posting. and write directly through pm. if you need so.

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr."r_kk"

// Why can't you take up some verifiable incidences //

Yes... I am proceeding in such aspects too mostly...

And I have already detailed several TRUE-EPISODES here, relating to the Horoscopic-factors...

Few of the persons quoted here... must be well-known known to you too... they being famous..

..but I am unable to either name the person ... nor furnish more particulars on personal identity... it being a Confidential Private-affair.

So I am restraining myself... because of legal-implications and personal decency.

Instead of PROBING on the Veracity of the incidents... it will be better if you think over OBJECTIVELY.

//... your responses are again based on mythical stories. //

So You insist that I should present only as per your Formula and Wishes...?

... and also Restrict myself to reply only to your Questions... Is it?

Dear Friend... even prior to your.... Wise- Questions, Ignorant- Mockeries and Baseless- Criticisms ...

... there are several Questions here... from others too..

... which are yet to be replied... on its due Answer ... true to the sense of this Topic-Title.. I am replying to them also one by one, in the course of this Article.

Two such previous Questions were...

(1) In Ramayana... even though the Muhoortham for Rama- pattabhishekam was chosen and fixed by the Sage Vasishta....

How could it fail... turning CONTRARILY... and Miserably too ... suddenly overnight TRANSFORMATION of the Gaiety- Ayodhya into a Mourning- nation... Topsy-turvy?

Despite the due adherence to the Astrological values in Life...If such outcome can be caused by any other means... what is the Role of Astrology for Life?... How can it be considered as DEPENDABLE.?

(2) While Rama's Horoscope is considered as the Best Yoga- jathakam...as also Seetha's..

... their Life was a TRAGEDY.. in general... with major part of Life spent in Sufferings .. that too UNDULY.

Then how can we believe.. that Astrology helps towards the meaningful and Successful Life?

For this Question.. I started answering step by step...

The above 2 Questions fall withih just a few lines... but the Answers cannot be so...

...since it calls for a detailed, analytical reply... understandable to all ... even by the common-man duly convincing to the reasoning wisdom..

So whether you like it or not. I have to complete this task taken up....

.. which you too will find it interesting if you observe patiently... and OPEN- MINDEDLY

[r_kk]

Dear Mr."r_kk"

Dear Friend... even prior to your.... Wise- Questions, Ignorant- Mockeries and Baseless- Criticisms ...


Dear Mr. Sudhaama,
Some times you are using extra words and sentences (example parrot-crow, Gnana Guru etc etc...) which are not at all necessary and provoke the opponent to give strong replies and direct call for verification of your so-called claims.



.. ONLY such people who are BENT UPON SULLYING even Ajantha...

Let us invite PARROTS MAINLY.. and Not the Crows ... which hate the Good fruits here ...

... However for Crows too we can cater ... in between .the Parrot- feeds.


http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=3563&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Still you are doing lot of "Giri-Paambu demo fighting" and beating around bush with people those who ask direct question on your fundamental concept. Why can't you come to the point straight?

My simple question is still waiting for your answer for more than a week.

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=3423&start=30
Your answer to such serious question is still just two words "To continue"... It seems you don't use your writting skills, when and where it is necessary

[hehehewalrus]

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Rohit,
Do you think a bike should should be offered as prize here? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[selvakumar]

Friends,
I am new to this thread. I am also having lot of interests in astrology. I saw lot of discussions going about whether astrology is a science or not. Though it may be late, I am putting my views on this one.

Scientists have already proved possible influence of rays from other planets on the human body.

A simple idea is, we are getting tired early when we work under the sun for more number of hours than we do under the moon. This is due to the chemical reaction caused by the rays from the sun on our body. This one affects us both mentally and physically.

Another one. The rays from planet Jupiter contain lot of methane. Scientifically , all of us know that methane is good for the living organisms in the earth. So, astrologically we are calling Jupiter as 'puthra karagan' i.e the one who is responsible for producing children. For identifying whether a person can afford a baby, we can identify this one clearly from the horoscope of that man. We have to just identify the power of 5th position and the status of jupiter.

So, clearly we can say that astrology is a science. our ancient people blended this wonderful science with religion so that people will take this one accordingly. In greek mythology, all planets are considered as gods. In our mythology also we are following the same. The reason why we are going to thirunallar in india for sani thisai and 7.5 sani is that scientific studies have revealed that in that place there is a 90 degree falling of saturn's rays. so, we are getting the rays of saturn more by going there. For that reason only, our ancestors formed temples in those places.

Also, I visited FBI website and to my surprise found the horoscope of Osama bin laden. Even a popular intelligence agency like FBI is using the horoscope of laden to capture him. They are believing this one. They are viewing this one as a science. For more details, u can ask me.

I also thank the one who started this thread for providing an oppurtunity to discuss about this wonderful sastram. Astrology is called as Mohana sastram. waiting for all of ur replies.

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr. "selvakumar"

// .. I am new to this thread. I am also having lot of interests in astrology....//

Glad.... Welcome. Happy to note your nice posting. Please continue.

// Scientists have already proved possible influence of rays from other planets on the human body//
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Yes... Just remaining at a far-off location.. . if the Moon can agitate the Sea to a great extent on every Full-Moon-day and New-Moon days... CONSPICUOUSLY DIFFERENT...

.. why not on all the Earth... and the Creatures too?

Just by sitting within a closed Room at Chennai in India... if a person is able to get in the far-off Washington Radio- Transmission ...

.. just because of the Thrust-waves...from the origin..

... why not the Greater powerful planets' Thrust-rays too can reach all the pervasive directions of the Universe.. spreading over.. like Sun- Rays?

// A simple idea is, we are getting tired early when we work under the sun for more number of hours than we do under the moon. This is due to the chemical reaction caused by the rays from the sun on our body. This one affects us both mentally and physically//.

Tiresome under the Daylight-Sun... is not due to its Rays... but due to its Heat. A person sitting under a shady-tree... even on a Bright Sunny day.. does not get tired... but contrary.

In fact, the Sun-rays energises all the Living- systems under Nature.... including Vegetations, Water, Air, Earth...as also the Seeds sown beneath ...

.. as well as on an Embryo.. hidden in the mother's abdomen...and further the life within the Egg too.

Astrologically speaking the Sun is called the Raja-Graha.. the King of all the Planets...

So to mean.... even while all other planets are well-placed.... if the Sun is very weak in a Horosacope.. with no advantageous positon or aspects by other beneficial-planets towards the Sun or its related Houses Simha or Mesha...

.. such a holder's OTHER LUCKS ARE FUTILE...... He will be like a Beggar on a Throne... by one or the other different factors... such as...

.. Having beautiful wife... but he is impotent... or..

...Financially affluent but Not powerful for access.. or..very sickly, unable to take even normal foods.. or

.. A Warrior with all expertise on Warfare, but not dependable, since a Coward ... or.

...Possesses high Status and Fame in the Society, but facing criminal charges (duly or unduly) leading to imprisonment too. .

... and the like... inexplicable peculiarities or contradictions..in Reality

... depending upon the placement of the Sun in the relevant Horoscope. apart from the auxiliary factors of other planets.

Sun is named as AATHMA-KARAKA (Soul-vitaliser)..the Masculine Planet of Vitality, Courage, Health , Spiritualism, Visual-might, Protection of Self-Prestige, Leadership- Qualities, Realistic- Life- Status.. etc..

//... planet Jupiter ... astrologically we are calling Jupiter as 'puthra karagan' i.e the one who is responsible for producing children.... We have to just identify the power of 5th position and the status of jupiter.//

Jupiter is called SUBHA-KAARAKA.. means one who makes / vitalises the auspicious and positive developments in Life... in ALL RESPECTS.

That is why, people wait for Guru-Paarvai / Viyaazha-Noakkam (Jupitors favourable turn of horoscopical- status) period for Marriage, Property- purchase, House-Construction, Setting new Industries etc...

... and so.. the Astrologers keenly observe the Jupiters factors .. for any prediction at the outset itself. PRIMARLY.

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Dear Mr. "r-kk"... please don't get angry with me... I will reply to your Questions to-day positively...

Now in this... East-U.S.A... it is ... 12-03 noon now...of June-02, Thursday.

Kindly bear with me for my inevitable delay.

[r_kk]

Thanks Mr. Sudhaama,
Even at this age, you are sitting very late to write replies to various questions and post positve views on belief sytem which you sincierly believe that it will guide and help many young generations. I appreciate your efforts even though I fundamentally contradict and conceptually oppose you .

Take your own time....

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr. r_kk,

Thanks for your concern on me coupled with Affection.

[Sudhaama]

HOROSCOPE a Pre-determined DOCUMENT OF FATE?... Unsurmountable?

If the Sun or Jupiter... or any other powerful planet too... are ILL-PLACED in a Horoscope...

... Does it mean.. the concerned has to YIELD TO IT AS DESTINY and SUFFER?

For example... as aforesaid.. if the Sun is so placed in a Horoscope justifying the Impotence of a Husband-youth... having a Young beautiful wife...

... should be contented with blaming his fate only... and SO CANNOT ENJOY THEIR CONJUGAL- LIFE?

If that be so... we have to remember Thirukkuralh... stating..

" If any one is destined to suffer...let that God be cursed..to suffer.. (He is No more the PROTECTOR worth the name as God at all)

Then what must be such Innocent-victims' (by birth).. further approach?

We will come back to this Question later... supported with the true episode of such a sort.

... after answering the previous Questions from Mr. r_kk.

[Sudhaama]

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.. Can ASTROLOGY Help to avert Tsunami-like Disasters?

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Mr. “r_kk” wrote:

// Can you explain. “why thousands of people died”. in Tsunami? //

Can a Thermo-meter cause the Fever or Cure the Patient?

No… because it is only an Indicator ... incapable of either to Cause or Remedy the hidden-odd it exhibits

So is Astrology, just an Indicator or Guide towards the Illness.

Can a Balance-Sheet of Accounts. CAUSE PROFIT OR LOSS to an Organisation. ?

No.. Because it is only a Historical-Document of the Past Financial- transactions delivering the NETT-OUTCOME. .. and the Resultant-Status

.. which becomes the Starting point… towards further Transactions and Development of Funds, as well as on the Advancement of the Organisation . Basing on the Balance-Sheet data.

Astrology also is similar to the Financial-Balance-Sheet of Accounts just a Balance-sheet of one’s Deeds during his Past- Births

.. indicating the Accrued Powers and Weakness by means of his Good and Bad-Deeds so called Karma-palan, which one is born with

So a Horoscope or even the subject of Astrology cannot cause any Event to the Holder

.. but it can entangle him in an event caused by some alien force… if his Horoscope indicates so.

Can Astrology predict the Life and the Future of a Building or a Tree or a Piece of Land basing on their Horoscopes, worked out on the Time of their Birth or Origin?

No… because the Astrology works on only the Living-beings through the Brain and Soul and not on Inanimate object (Jata-Vasthu)

... rather the Substances like Plants, Structures, Lands etc… which do not have Brain or Soul.

So the Cause of Tsunami like disasters is totally out of concern for Astrology, which can only PREDICT NOT CAUSE any Event... on “Living-beings only” based on the Horoscopes.

The most ancient Astrology is the Indian, followed by the Greek and Egyptian., which systems are far different from the Indians. But those subsequent systems of Astrology claim, that even though they were the subsequent ones… they have developed and advanced far more than the Indian Astrology.

And they only started predicting the future of Nations and Reigns… whereas Indian Astrology does not accept nor aprove of such a possibility technically… under the above grounds.

If it would have been possible… yester-era Kings who were patronising and highly depending on Astrology even for their petty day to day activities, could have averted the Foreigners repeated onslaughts of Invasions on them.

… as also could have got saved from several Natural-calamities like Floods and Storms… which had caused heavy tolls of the People and the Properties as recorded in the Ancient Indian-History especially in North-India.

Following the example of Greek and Egyptian Astrologers…some of the Indian Astrologers too started predicting the future of the nations and the Governments but most of such foretelling have become a hoax.

So any Prediction on such Earthly-odds like Disasters or Accidents cannot be correct . Because, as practically observed… Astrology is Not intended for Lifeless objects… and cannot be exactly authenticated too.

That is why .. most of the past predictions on the Nations and Governments have failed.

So Tsunami like Disasters Can Neither be CAUSED by Astrology..

Nor can it help to PREDICT in advance..

Nor can Help to AVERT such inanimate Forces.

//Do you think all those died have some thing common in their horoscopes? Please explain...//

Yes (To continue...)
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[r_kk]

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.. Can ASTROLOGY Help to avert Tsunami-like Disasters?

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Mr. “r_kk” wrote:

// Can you explain. “why thousands of people died”. in Tsunami? //

Can a Thermo-meter cause the Fever or Cure the Patient?

No… because it is only an Indicator ... incapable of either to Cause or Remedy the hidden-odd it exhibits


Can Astrology predict the Life and the Future of a Building or a Tree or a Piece of Land basing on their Horoscopes, worked out on the Time of their Birth or Origin?

No… because the Astrology works on only the Living-beings through the Brain and Soul and not on Inanimate object (Jata-Vasthu)

So the Cause of Tsunami like disasters is totally out of concern for Astrology, which can only PREDICT NOT CAUSE any Event... on “Living-beings only” based on the Horoscopes.

So Tsunami like Disasters Can Neither be CAUSED by Astrology..

Nor can it help to PREDICT in advance..

//Do you think all those died have some thing common in their horoscopes? Please explain...//

Yes (To continue...)
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Dear Mr. Sudhaama,
I think you had understood the question not properly. Here every one know that astrology is not a cause. The question is why astrology failed to predict the death of thousnads of people in a single tragedy. If astrology could able to predict future of people, then we can indirectly could able to predict mass tragedies too. For example, if you can collect date of birth and place of birth of lots of people living close to Tsunami zone/earthquake zones, by analyzing the future of people's fate(kandam), we can indirectly determine the occurance of earthquake/tsunami!!!

You had mentioned that it is applicable for beings with soul. Here you may contradict with Mr. Hemant Trivedi and other professional astrologers those could able to forecast (self claim) such tragedies including eathquakes. What about horscope for animals!!? They also have brain and life.

Any way I will write more detail replies and logical fallacies in your posts after seeing your complete replies.

[selvakumar]

why can't we discuss about the horoscopes of popular people here? Shall we start with bill gates?

Ascendant - Gemini
Mars - virgo
Mercury - virgo
sun, saturn, venus - libra
jupiter - leo
Raghu - scorpio
ketu - taurus
moon - pisces

Nakshatra - uttrattadhi

Dear sudhamma sir, plz post ur predictions about him.

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr."selvakumar"

// ...why can't we discuss about the horoscopes of popular people here? ... Dear sudhamma sir, plz post ur predictions about him.//

Thanks.... Welcome.... Yes.. if you so desire, well we can.

But in such a case, please post the same Point in the another Thread, on the same subject... named as..

"PERIODIC-TABLE and PLANETS"... a Thread in the professional Astrologers angle...

... While the same Subject Astrology is dealt here, in the Clients angle.

Besides, I am not Astrologer but only a client of Faith in that Subject. So I will not be able to render any Astrloogical-predictions on any Horoscope, which only a Professional can do..

At the maximum I can join with the Team of Astrologers ... for discussions on the Clients aspects.

[hehehewalrus]

Raghu - scorpio
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Why are you unnecessarily dragging two Hubbers here? Trying to instigate a fight?

[NM]

Raghu - scorpio
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Why are you unnecessarily dragging two Hubbers here? Trying to instigate a fight?
:lol: :lol: didn't notice that walrus. You certainly have a good pair of eyes!

[scorpio]

Raghu - scorpio
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Why are you unnecessarily dragging two Hubbers here? Trying to instigate a fight?

we both are already having enough in 'film poster' thread.. Sorry, no time to entertain you guys in this thread too.. :oops:

[hehehewalrus]

we both are already having enough in 'film poster' thread.. Sorry, no time to entertain you guys in this thread too.. :oops:

hehehe alrite, didnt notice that. There must be some truth in astrology for this to happen though :)

[Sudhaama]

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...
.. Who is Wise? And Not? Consultants or Clients? God alone Knows!!!

Mr. “r_kk” wrote:

//Do you think all those died have some thing common in their horoscopes? Please explain...//

Yes Death is indicated in the Horoscopes by various Horoscopic factors. So to say the planetary condition and the Aspective factors of one or the other planets… need not be the same from person to person… even thugh a group of them die at a time on one and the same cause.

But no doubt … the cause of death as Accident… can be found uniformyly in all such horoscopes.

If One million specific persons in the various walks of life and nationality…are ill-fated to die on a particulat Date and Time.. due to a specific natural-disaster like Tsunami… it can be so predicted from their Horoscopes by any competent Astrologer…. Especially based on Indian-Astrology.

But all those persons … may be of different families… and different in several other respects too.

So to mean… may be, amongst 5 brothers… only one brother might become a victim… sparing his four brothers …but along with a Foreigner Tourist Husband to succumb, leaving his wife as the Survivor… and so on.

There are several mysteries and Miracles… even Astrologers themselves wonder… how the Ill-fates of different far-off people … alien amongst themselves… are grouped together at one and the same spot at one particular moment of Disaster… irrespective of Age, Status, Nationality or the like… under the tyrannical-hands of Death!!

My Guru Chiro… had long back made a deep research-study and published Books… narrating hundreds of Case-Studies to establish his Finding-Truth… that the Palmistry and Horoscopic Sciences never fail…

“If at all any failure…may be the relevant Practioners . Not the Occult-Science”…. Chiro says.

// I think you had understood the question not properly. Here every one know that astrology is not a cause. The question is why astrology failed to predict the death of thousnads of people in a single tragedy. If astrology could able to predict future of people, then we can indirectly could able to predict mass tragedies too.

For example, if you can collect date of birth and place of birth of lots of people living close to Tsunami zone/earthquake zones, by analyzing the future of people's fate(kandam), we can indirectly determine the occurance of earthquake/tsunami!!! //

Yes… No doubt… Is it practicable to identify in advance who will reach where and when and collect their Horoscopes to ascertain?

As we have the Practice of Citizenship-card for every National… in the advanced countries…

…if some body is able to collect the Birth-data for all the Citizens, cast their Horoscopes, make competent predictions…

… and pick-up the specific thousands… ill-fated… amongst those millions… !!!...

… Yaanaikku-k-Koavanham katta-mudiyumaa?...

Yes.. if it can be made possible… then, the heavy Material and Human-losses …

… due to Tsunami-like disasters …CAN BE AVERTED… by…. ASTROLOGY TOO.

// You had mentioned that it is applicable for beings with soul. Here you may contradict with Mr. Hemant Trivedi and other professional astrologers those could able to forecast (self claim) such tragedies including eathquakes.//

Yes… I have already contradicted… taking sides withb one section of Astrologers… who drastically differ with the other section of Astrolgers… who are making Predictions on Natural-disasters, National-reverses and such other off the scope of Astrology… being without the Origin of Soul and Brain relevance.

// What about horscope for animals!!? They also have brain and life //.

Yes… We can predict.. I know several cases.. it has unfailingly come true.

I know in one of the cases of a Circus-company … on the way to my native place… one Lion escaped from the Cage, which nobody could notice concurrently… but only later, after arrival at the destination.

They were very much worried, passing Sleepless-nights… and seriously pushed on their strenuous attempts to locate it… because their main problem was…

…Not only the due performance of the circus… and ..

.. Not only the Financial worth of the Animal…

.. But also… the Legal-implications, Governments Reaction… and further Complaints from the People…

…which may lead to Several lakhs of Rupees loss along with the Threat of the Closure of the Company

Along with their search and other such sorts or Recovery-attempts…which were not rendering any positive clue even after seven days…

One of their Partners RELUCTANTLY… and perfunctorily approached one renowned Astrologer in our Town… Basing on the Birth-data furnished, he cast a fresh horoscope… for the first time in the History of that Lion as well as the Circus company…

He had an unusual habit of ascertaining the veracity of the Birth-time by means of Back-Verification. So to say by tallying with the past events already occurred and such other factors.

(1) Born with one Sister and Two Brothers … One Brother died of Sickness at so and so age…Another Brother is a ferocious type… The Sister Lioness active and obedient.. .. and such other Four Points….Owner said… All Yes. Yes Correct…

(2) Basing on the time of escape the owners could work-out the pparticular spot at that time of Travel.

(3) With a fractured Leg, the Lion is hiding … in a Vacant-Cattle-Shed… of a House at so and so direction. Which You can get back… IF YOU SERIOUSLY TRY.

Accordingly their men went straight to a particular village… asked for the vacant Cattle-Shed… located the sleeping Lion with a fractured Leg… (Injury due to its jumping down, deep below on the way, after escape)

I can quote several True-events of my past long years of experience like this…

..such as pertaining to my Pet-Dog, .. my Neighbourers Cattle… one Temple Elephant … and so on.

I assert… that…. ASTROLOGY CAN NEVER FAIL… if the Horoscope is Correct…

… but the Astrologer’s Competence !!!.. I can’t assure!!!.... And further…One more IMPORTANT Factor .

No Two Time-Watches Agree… No Two Medical-Doctors Agree…(According to George-Bernard Shaw)

“There are THREE FOOLS in the World, who are making the whole World as Fools..”

They are the Doctor, Engineer. and the Lawyer.. ( also said so.. by George- Bernard-Shaw)

On which I add further ““ASTROLOGERS ALSO” . Under all the above categories

..Which TRUE-CAUSE, is Not because of their Incompetence Nor the Lack of Sincerety..

.... but Only because their Subjects are So Unique and Inherent with factors for..

.. .Felxibility on Judgement and Multiple-Scopes for varying approaches of Individual- Wisdom.

Result : VARIED... PRESCRIPTIONS / COUNSELS / PREDICTIONS ... for One and the Same Problem

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[r_kk]

[tscii:1db6f0aac7]We, humans are basically myth loving and myth creating animals…. We are very happy to listen and spread such myth.

Sorry, you are proving once again…

Stories mentioning others as the origin like “experience of some one with Ghost” “snake tales of some one” are generally believed and spread by many of us, without verifying because we love to live in colorful myth than the hard real life. Your story about “missing lion” is also similar. Did you personally see the astrologer when he was telling about Lion’s horoscope? I don’t know why Bin laden can not be searched with similar techniques? Such search will simplify the hard efforts of a powerful army and stop sufferings of innocent victims.

Yours reiterating-statements declaring astrology as science is interesting. If all you said is true, surely it is worth for Nobel prize. I don’t know why astrologers are not coming forward to verify their claim through simple scientific process and get the great reputation to them and their so-called science. Please note that DOB, TOB and POB of most of the people are available in Government records these days. A simple program tool and a computer can generate “Kovanam” for “elephant”.

Do you really believe that the predictions of astrologer’s based on horoscope match with real incidences as true?

It is very simple technique to generate some correlating general data… No need of horoscope or palmistry. In a demonstration, a famous rationalist had generated so-called correlating data for many students.

http://www.csicop.org/webmaster/randi/randi-astrology.rm

Most of the Astrologers successfully use this technique to deceive the people.

In my opinion, belief on Astrology may give some virtual mental comforts in life since it indirectly relieves the individual responsibilities and put the blame on supernatural or call their inefficiencies as the predetermined ones, but in real sense it will not guide to any meaningful life.


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[hehehewalrus]

http://www.csicop.org/webmaster/randi/randi-astrology.rm

There is a kannaadi pota desi in this film :D

[Rohit]

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Rohit,
Do you think a bike should should be offered as prize here? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Though bike and cycle are synonyms, but when the nature of cycle becomes too regressive, bike is definitely a better alternative as a tangible award to the one who is seriously stuck in regressive mode for too long. Therefore, yes, I think you will be doing justice by announcing a tangible award to the most entangled and thus to the most deserving debater. :wink: :lol:

[r_kk]

see the cruel outcome of astrology....
http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=198081&disdate=7/21/2005

[blahblah]

then, the heavy Material and Human-losses …

… due to Tsunami-like disasters …CAN BE AVERTED… by…. ASTROLOGY TOO.


And think about these ignorant fellows like Bush and Manmohan Singh who are planning to set up a joint mechanism on disaster management when they can easily 'avert' these disasters by simply using some of the intellect available in our country such as.... :twisted: :roll:

[Sudhaama]

In response to those who sought from me...

...The Present Address of my Consultant-Astrologer... at Chennai, India...

...whom I am much impressed with ... due to tremendous Results invariably... not only for me but also one and all my Friends & Relatives

Some of the Hubbers were repeatedly requesting me to inform the present Address of my Astrologer,...

.. about whom I had narrated in this thread on my several exemplary Life-experiences in Astrology... quite meaningfully and highly worthy for my Success and extrication from serious Life-problems.

I am unable to even imagine how precarious and miserable, my Life would have become... had I not approached this pious Lady-Astrologer of high and rare competence..

I recently met at her new address in Chennai...India.

Although not much popular... but far and far better than several popular Astrologers.. with whose predictions I could compare parallelly and ultimately discern her true professional worth ....irrespective of Popularity.

She is a simple Lady... put up in a single small room.. does not demand any fees but just accepts whatever is offered...

...always cheerful... patiently and convincingly answers all the questions... incredibly solves our problems Astrologically....

...advises the Astrological-Parihaaram or the right Gems as alternative/additional remedy, being an Expert in Mani-Sasthram too.

Let not anybody suspect me... nor my intentions.... She is neither my Relative nor Friend... nor of any dubious concern...

..and so I am in no way interested in her, other than that she is JUST MY ASTROLOGICAL-CONSULTANT.... and NOTHING BEYOND.

My only wish is.. by means of her timely advice of high values....

..Let others also GAIN the BEST ADVANTAGE BY MY INFORMATION... as much as I had in Life..

She is an IMMACULATE LADY OF HIGH CALIBRE....WELL-DEPENDABLE AND TRUSTWORTHY.... but a "Kudaththukkulh-Vilhakku"

My only request to my Friend-Hubbers is...we being the Gentlemen of Calibre, should not exploit her good principle of NOBLE-IDEAL... not to sell her knowledge, but to only serve the seekers...

And so we must voluntarily pay her the due fees what we have to...with any Astrologer worth the name at Chennai, in the present days.

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CONSULTATION FEES:---

Such Minimum fees in vogue... as at present Chennai are:--

General Consultation... Rs.100 (One Hundred) per Horoscope

Additional Questions / Matrimonial-match ...Rs. 20 (Twenty only).. Each Match.(Over Rs.100)

Making-out a New Horoscope... Rs. 500. ( Five Hundred only)

Checking up the Veracity of existing Horoscope : Rs.300 (Three Hundred only)
__________________________________________________ ___

ADDRESS & PHONE :---

Ms. GEETHANJALI,

32 / 8, Jaani Basha Street (Near Ellis Road)

Off. Thiruvallikeni High Road,

THIRUVALLIKENI.

CHENNAI - 600005.

Cell Phone No.--- 9444- 431353. (Rpt: 9444 43 1353)
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Wish you all the Best...

...AS MUCH ABUNDANT BENEFIT... AS I GOT ...by this Consultant.

Affectionately,
Sudhaama.

[Sudhaama]

To the KIND ATTENTION of those...Who are ANTI-ASTROLOGY.

Dear friends, You need not accept my Statements... in favour of Astrology...

...nor believe like me that... Astrology as the GOD-MADE SCIENCE for the Benefit of Mankind ...

... ever applicable for Mankind... deeming it as the OPENING-BALANCE on our Life....

...Rather the Astrological-Horoscope is... the LIFE-BALANCE-SHEET ... presented by God.... at the time of our Birth...

...based on which people are expected to start towards their future..

But HOROSCOPIC PREDICTIONS ....ARE NOT THE BOUNDEN LAW...to be fenced-within....

...NOR NEEDED TO BE ACCEPTED AS....ORDAINED DESTINY. No Not at all.

But it is a fact that sometimes the Astrological-Predictions MAY FAIL TOO.... either towards the Plus or Minus side.

Because what One performs in the present Life... will DEFINITELY WORK IN CONJUNCTION with the past Commitments of ones own previous births.

So please try with any good Astrologer of your choice...WITH AN OPEN-MIND...and then tell me your experience.

In YOUR OWN INTERESTS...I will answer you... IF YOU STILL CONTINUE TO BE...."ANTI"

[selvakumar]

Sudhaama,
Nice to see you back after a long time. :D

I think we can make this thread a wonderful place by having nice discussions on various things in astrology. Even we can make this one a special thread for giving / posting the basic things in Astrology.

[Shakthiprabha.]

I belive........

past CAN BE PREDICTED.

Astrology, numerology, palmistry, naadi etc CAN PREDICT UR PAST LIFE............

PAST CAN BE ANALYSED, CRYSTAL CLEAR GUESSED BY wonderful astrologers.

BUT............. FUTURE is definitely in our hands.

WE CAN CHANGE DESTINY. 1000 percent we can.

[selvakumar]

BUT............. FUTURE is definitely in our hands.

WE CAN CHANGE DESTINY. 1000 percent we can.

Beg to differ. I do appreciate your boldness in tackling the problems and your approach to life.

FUTURE is like a dark,dense forest. You are just a trespasser travelling in that dense forest.

Things like Astrology are like candles. They can just clear the darkness surrounding you over a distance. You can use these things for a happy,smooth travel in the forest without hurting yourself by having run on a thorn, sharp stone etc. (These are all troubles in our life about which we have no idea).

Astrology is not a sun to clear the entire darkness surrounding you. You can get the help and that is it. The candle just acts as a compliment. Main fuel comes from your own efforts. CAndle is just being used to drive away the darkness.. But ultimately it is you, who travells. Hope I am clear.

[Shakthiprabha.]

In what way are u different now?

I thought I said the same in 2 lines :roll:

[selvakumar]

In what way are u different now?

I thought I said the same in 2 lines :roll:

You have misunderstood my post.

Your efforts should not become wasted ones. You can keep on searching the way urself and with your own patience. In that process, you will hurt yourself. The wonderful candle provided by GOD helps you to remove yourself from those sufferings. That is what I meant there.

I referred it as a compliment that reduces ur sufferings and eliminates unnecessary things like searching for something in complete darkness.

Both the things must be there

For u,

"தெய்வத்தால் ஆகாதெனினும் ........... முயற்சி தன் மெய்வருத்தக் கூலி தரும் !!

Could not recollect the exact one.

[Sudhaama]

I belive........

past CAN BE PREDICTED.

Astrology, numerology, palmistry, naadi etc CAN PREDICT UR PAST LIFE............

PAST CAN BE ANALYSED, CRYSTAL CLEAR GUESSED BY wonderful astrologers.

BUT............. FUTURE is definitely in our hands.

WE CAN CHANGE DESTINY. 1000 percent we can.

What is there to PREDICT on the past?...Since already Well-known and seen.

"Prediction" means... Foreseeing the UNKNOWN by means of Astrological-Science... the Unparallel-Divine-Truth.

Everyone MUST BELIEVE... with Self-Confidence... and by means of AUTO-SUGGESTION that..." I WILL ACHIEVE...I AM HAPPY AND WILL BE HAPPY".

Astrology does not speak different...but helps us as an AUXILIARY-KNOWLEDGE for Guidance towards our meaningful future, the Unknown.

Astrology too wants and forewarns us to CHANGE OUR DESTINY... IF WE CAN..

..by means of our Good-deeds as well as WARD-OFF from the avoidable future IMPEDIMENTS.

..BY TAKING STOCK OF... WHERE WE ARE by the dint of Previous- BIRTH-POTENTIALITIES.

[kelly]

Hi Sudhaama,

I send u a pm, waiting for the reply. thank you

[Sudhaama]

Yes please Mr. Kelly... Replied today by Pm.... Which must serve your purpose I believe.

[swarna]

Hi,
I have a never answered question about astrology...Can any one of you help me..Is there any posiblity in astrology to predict that a guy will pass away if he marries a particular girl??? Just with the Guys horoscope only

[Sudhaama]

Hi,
I have a never answered question about astrology...Can any one of you help me..Is there any posiblity in astrology to predict that a guy will pass away if he marries a particular girl??? Just with the Guys horoscope only

Good Question !. ..Not a NEVER-ANSWERED QUESTION... Since many many Astrologers had already ventured to find out the answer by Researches. I was once upon a time MAD MAD TO GET AN ANSWER TO THIS QUEST.

..Finally I got the Clear Answer... PROVEN CORRECT BY EXPERIENCE TOO.

But... the pity is, some of the present day Astrologers are themselves getting confused unnecessarily and they carry forward further confusions and complications amongst the public.

No doubt it is a...Question of UNENDING-DISPUTES amongst Astrologers themselves now-a-days...

However Got WELL-CONVINCED by me.... with the authentic answers by several Scholars, especially the renowned Expert Dr. B.V. Raman, Editor of Astrological-Magazine of India, Bangalore... I put forth the points here.

(1) Astrological predictions are based on Horoscopes... which is based on the Birth-data, varying from person to person. Horoscopes are NOT THE LAW OF DESTINY....but only a Balance-sheet of previous births accountable for the current birth.

(2) Future Business in an organisation does not depend on the previous years Assets and Liabilities alone... but based on it, HOW IT PERFORMS AND DEVELOPS FURTHER during the subsequent years... So is the case of a Horoscope and the Personal-Life- predictions based on it.

(3) One person's Horoscope can ... No doubt... be influenced by another person's Horoscope, if he / she is very closely associated in ones activities as partner or the like. So Wife or Business-partner or Brother/Sister, Children fall under this purview. But such influences CANNOT SUPERSEDE OR OVER-RULE ones Horoscope, since every Horoscope possesses its own individual power or strength. So to say if ones Horoscope shows long life... just by marriage with a lady of weak Horoscope, the Husband will not be victmised to die nor his life-span can be reduced or eventually changed or transformed into a Poor one... NEGATING THE ORIGINAL STRENGTH of the Husband holding already a good indication of his Lifespan, by birth...even prior to coming into a new contact.

(4) There are only a few factors which can Supersede or Overpower the Original-Horoscopic predictions. They are...

(a) Ones Own arduous Counter-endeavour with strong Self-Will, working against the Evil-effects of the Horoscope

(b) Parihaarams Astrologically or by Manthras combined with the Relevant Social-service..

(c) Mani-Saasthra fortification by wearing the specific Gems relevant to the Planets prescribed according to the individuals Horoscopes.

(b) God's Grace bestowed in response to fervent Prayers.

Swami Thyagaraja says....."Graha-balam yaemi, Raama Anugraha-balamae balam"...

...meaning.. "If and when God's grace is available to a person, what Planetary might can overpower?"

I know several cases where the Evil-effects predicted for the Husband, Wife, Father-in-law, Mother-in-law...or the like, by means of marriage alliances... have all been nullified by

... such positive approaches..of Healthy Counter-forces.... especially by means of

... LARGE-HEART...coupled with WILL-POWER.... God is Great.

[swarna]

Thank you so much Sudhaama.

[Sudhaama]

LOVERS' HOROSCOPES UNMATCHING for WEDDING : Solution?


Thank you so much Sudhaama. the lady with weak horoscope is me.. just with my fiance's horoscope my "would be -in laws" are refusing for our marriage....

Sorry to hear the pitiable plight of you the INNOCENT.... It is all because of some Quack-Astrologers.

Let those people of the Groom's side imagine... if it were the case of their daughter having a Dosha-Jaathakam... what will they do?

Will not get her married at all? .

....Or get married to a husband of utter Dosha-Jaathakam, also being an unmatching Husband to live with, by propensities and basic outlook on life?

God has created every human being fit enough to be married with someone matching... Who is that someone, is the Humans job to search out and settle. There only Horoscope-matching helps.

The Best Horoscopes as well as the best Horoscopic-match... was Rama and Seetha.... Then why did they suffer?.. In fact their married life was almost a Trajedy. Why?

I would suggest you not to leave the matter ... BLINDLY YIELDING to IGNORANCE AND ADAMANCE of the other side.. which should not be allowed to be an impediment for your Chosen alliance.

If you and your fiance like each other well... You can go ahead with the support of any of your staunch well-wisher elders.

However for the sake of clarification based on Reasoning, you may contact any other good Astrologer of your choice, who is capable of convincing the opponents Astrologically.

I know several cases where the Lovers... whose Horoscopes were TOTALLY UNMATCHING... got married of their own accord...ignoring such objections... and LIVING HAPPILY overcoming all the Astrological anomalies and weaknesses, by taking the due precautionary measures as I mentioned above.

If required you can take the help of my Astrologer Ms Geethanjali at Thiruvallikeni, Chennai, whose Address and Phone # I had already furnished hereabove a few weeks back. She is an Expert in handling such Astrological disputes.

Wish You Success with a Happy married Life of YOUR BEST CHOICE. !!!

[Sudhaama]

Significance of TAMIL-NEW-YEAR .. Inaugural DAY OF SUCCESS.!!!

Vide my Posting...in another relevant Thread under the above Title..

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=495906&sid=c1f429c2049a1fb2bdb4db0cf2979ec6#495906

Importance for SUN in the Tamilian-Culture...including their Calendar.

The main factor of Tamilian Calendar is the SUN... which is the Royal-planet ruling over... not only all the other Eight planets...

...but also the central-force keeping the whole universe under equilibrium and balance of varying operations of one and all the celestial bodies in the space... astronomically too.

The Tamil year duration has been reckoned as 365.25 days, the time taken by Earth for one cycle around the Sun, the Central-pivotal-force supreme.

The date of entry of Sun into Mesha(aries) house... which is its location of EXALTED STATUS (Uccha)... falls on or about April-14 every year...

..which has been taken as the first day of the year as well as the Month Chiththirai....linking Moon position also with it. So to say the Pournami falls on Chiththirai star-day in the month of Chithirai, as is the basis for all other months too. I have elaborated on this point with full details, in my last posting

The Sun's Entry-time on the first day of Chithirai month is taken as the Zero-degree....the starting point for one circle of 360 degrees... along the course of all the 12 houses(Each of 30 degrees)

So the Tamil-calendar is the best one comparatively in the world... Scientifically and by Religious aspects too....as I had already justified.

Right from ancient days...Tamil-culture extols the Sun-planet highly. And the Sun was worshipped as Supreme God by Tamilians.

Silappadhikaaram... praises and prays the Sun-God as... JNAAYIRHU POATRUDHUM..!!!

[selvakumar]

Hi,
I have a never answered question about astrology...Can any one of you help me..Is there any posiblity in astrology to predict that a guy will pass away if he marries a particular girl??? Just with the Guys horoscope only

Swarna,
Sorry for the delay. I was a bit sad to hear that too.

To be precise, There are ways in Astrology to predict whether a girl's partner will face a death if he marries her. But for analysing the result exactly, We must do lot of things. Nowadays Astrologers never do these things. Even if there is a possiblity in the positive way, they never encourage these things.


A GIRL'S MAANGALAYA POWER IS predicted from the power of the 8th BAAVA in her Horoscope. The 8th House indicates the VIRTUE, MAANGALYA, HEALTH, AAYUL etc. If the 8th house is affected badly by any of the BAAPAGRAHAAS ..esp RAAGHU, KETU, SURYA, MARS (Sevvai Dosha).. then while match-making ASTROLOGERS generally take extra-care.

If 8th house is affected by RAHU / KETU, then it forms SARPA DOSHA..

If it is affected by MARS, it forms A POWERFUL MARS DOSHA (Reg this, Astrologers have difference of opinion).

Also, ASTROLOGER GENERALLY CHOOSE A PARNER FOR THESE KIND OF PEOPLE WITH HEALTHY 8th house -- i.e. MORE AAYUL -- which can neutralise the effect. :)

P.S: I have seen a person (who is a famous astrologer himself) having this combination. His condition was also like that only. Being an astrologer himself, this guy went ahead and married a girl. But what followed was very strange. He didn't allow her partner to wear the HOLY MANGAL SUTRA. (That means.. In his words, I learned that it won't form a marriage setup) Even though I have difference of opinion on this, BOTH OF THEM HAVE CROSSED 40+ YEARS OF MARRIAGE LIFE AND ARE WELL till now :D :D

Just like how, Sudhamma put, It'S ALL IN THE HANDS OF THE ASTROLOGER UNDER QUESTION and the effects due to these can be reduced with anyone of the ways mentioned in Sudhamma's post. :D

[selvakumar]

For predicting whether a guy will pass away if he marries a girl,

ASTROLOGERS MUST WORK WITH BOTH THE HOROSCOPES.

[Sudhaama]

For predicting whether a guy will pass away if he marries a girl,

ASTROLOGERS MUST WORK WITH BOTH THE HOROSCOPES.

This is a HIGHLY DISPUTABLE ISSUE... as I had already mentioned... that there exists divergent opinions on this point, even amongst the Astrological Scholars....as I have observed since the past more than five decades.

But I am quite sure on my positive outlook... that it need not be only factor to reject any matrimonial proposal.

Out of several cases... I quote one best example.

The Girls Horoscope was the vworst Dosha-Jathaka... with Mangalya- Dosha as well as in other respects.... to show constant quarrels between the couple... Death of the Girls's Father-in-law within 3 years of marriage... and so on.

But the Boy and his father were so firm to have that alliance... and questioned... let us see how our Blotless Horoscopes get OVERPOWERED by just one Horoscope?

The Marriage took place.... and nothing detrimental happened so far ....since the past 20 years of marriage. Because the Bride's side have performed the due Astrological parihaaram...

...alongside wearing the APT GEMS by the Girl... conforming to Mani-Sasthram.

In fact...they are quite happy and prosperous in Reality...with NO INDICATION of a ... Bad Horoscope.

I am totally against CONDEMNING ANYBODY.... thus DENYING THEIR FUTURE PROSPECTS.... just based on Horoscopes..

Horoscopes are only for our information of Stock...NOT THE BOUNDEN DESTINY.

God sometimes gives us problem... due to our past Karmas...but shows us the Remedies also... side by side.

Our duty is to BOLDLY CONFRONT THE ODDS AND ILLS...

....and ULTIMATELY WIN...with the Support of Astrology....and God's grace.

[thamizhvaanan]

some one please predict who is going to be the next CM of TN. seems that there are quite knowledgeable astronomers here

[Sudhaama]

..Forthcoming "Tamilnadu ELECTION-RESULTS" : Prediction Possible?


some one please predict who is going to be the next CM of TN. seems that there are quite knowledgeable astronomers here

Astronomy is different from Astrology. .. TWO DIFFERENT BRANCHES of Science.

Only the Astrologers can predict the events ahead, based on Astrology, the Study based on planetary positions in the relevant Horoscope.

Can the future of a Country or People as a whole collectively ...be Predicted?

This is a highly disputable point amongst Astrologers...Rather there are Two Schools of Opinion.

No doubt...there are Astrologers who are predicting on the Nations, People as also the whole world...

But how far their predictions have come true in practice... by Reality? Why?

I am fully convinced on the stand of one section of the Astrologers who have established Astrologically... that..

The future of a Country, or People collectively... cannot be predicted... and if done, it is contrary to the sense of Astrological- Science.

The forecast on any person or living-being alone can be realistic and practicable...because Astrology is a Spiritual-Science applicable for any creature having the Athma (Soul) and the Brain comprising of Mind...both of which are Very important in Life.

So Astrology gives much importance to the two planets ... Sun, the Athma-Kaaraka... and the Moon, the Manas-kaaraka...

Not only that much.... Sun is also the Pithru-kaaraka (Concerning Father)...Moon the Maathru-kaaraka (Concerned with Mother)... Then it is needless to elaborate...

.. that the importance of Sun and Moon in ones Horoscope, is as much important as for Father and Mother in Life..

So the Sun and Moon's positions in a Horoscope can do and undo the effects of all other planets..

Anybody can question... if the future of a Nation or its part... or its people, can be predicted, based on the relevant Birth- timings....

...Why not similar prediction for a Tree I planted and a Building founded at a particular time?... Can they answer?

So Astrology cannot help to foresee which Political party will Win or not in the forthcoming Tamilnadu election...

...other than for the persons behind.... based on their Horoscopes

If any Astrologer ventures to predict for such political events or on the outcome of the ensuing Tamilnadu election...irrespective of the persons behind...

...May be he is able to say, based on his rare Psycho-might of PRECOGNITION...

...and cannot be... based on Astrology.
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[thamizhvaanan]

i meant astrology :oops: :oops: :oops: :D

[srivatsan]

some one please predict who is going to be the next CM of TN. seems that there are quite knowledgeable astronomers here
[/quote]

AMR has indirectly predicted that "MK" will loose and JJ will win....atleast that is what I understoood from his words....

[Sudhaama]

some one please predict who is going to be the next CM of TN. seems that there are quite knowledgeable astronomers here AMR has indirectly predicted that "MK" will loose and JJ will win....atleast that is what I understoood from his words....[/quote]

His present predictions on Tamilnadu's future, have been worked out on the Gochara-system of Astrology...

...which is based on movement of Planets in relation to the countries

They are different, and may sometimes come true...

If the above prediction of the Astrologer Mr. AMR... does not come true,...

... we should not blame either the Astrology nor the Astrologer....

... because in such cases by Gochara... it is more a matter of chance than the Scientific forecast.
.

[r_kk]

His present predictions on Tamilnadu's future, have been worked out on the Gochara-system of Astrology...
If the above prediction of the Astrologer Mr. AMR... does not come true,...
... we should not blame either the Astrology nor the Astrologer....
... because in such cases by Gochara... it is more a matter of chance than the Scientific forecast.
.

Predicting one out two which has very high probability of chance, need no great knowledge. Just reading few pre-poll survey is enough. If he can tell how many seats each party (ADMK, DMK, PMK, Congress, Vaiko etc - at least 5 major parties) with 5~10% error, we can appreciate his knowledge in astrology or atleast his studies on various pre-poll survey.

[Sudhaama]

His present predictions on Tamilnadu's future, have been worked out on the Gochara-system of Astrology...
If the above prediction of the Astrologer Mr. AMR... does not come true,...
... we should not blame either the Astrology nor the Astrologer....
... because in such cases by Gochara... it is more a matter of chance than the Scientific forecast.
.

Predicting one out two which has very high probability of chance, need no great knowledge. Just reading few pre-poll survey is enough. If he can tell how many seats each party (ADMK, DMK, PMK, Congress, Vaiko etc - at least 5 major parties) with 5~10% error, we can appreciate his knowledge in astrology or atleast his studies on various pre-poll survey.

What I said about the weak-basis of Gochara-system of Astrological predictions.....

...have been exaggerated and twisted by Mr.r_kk,... to mean different, and CHEAP...

... on the whole Science of Astrology.. as well as on my views..

If any competent Astrologer predicts on the basis of Horoscopes of the persons behind...It can never fail...

..because that basis is more reliable and scientific...

.. than the Gochara-system of Astrological predictions for any Land or its People.... I clarify. further.

[r_kk]

Dear Mr. Sudhamma,
I don't know why you over react!!
Where I had twisted your statements? I was telling just telling one out of two as the winner doesn't require any major knowledge... Is it twisted...
oops...
Why can't some astrologer predict with 5% accuracy of entire election? If possible predict some election in Some remote african region! or predict when peace will come in Sudan or when internal conflicts will be over in some African country, who will the next President of Irag etc etc..

Don't confined your great knowledge applied to MK or J which can be predicted easily....

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr. Sudhamma,
I don't know why you over react!!
Where I had twisted your statements? I was telling just telling one out of two as the winner doesn't require any major knowledge... Is it twisted...
oops...
Why can't some astrologer predict with 5% accuracy of entire election? If possible predict some election in Some remote african region! or predict when peace will come in Sudan or when internal conflicts will be over in some African country, who will the next President of Irag etc etc..

Don't confined your great knowledge applied to MK or J which can be predicted easily....

Dear Mr. r_kk,

I have made detailed postings repeatedly that there are TWO SCHOOLS OF OPINION....on the prediction for any Nation or piece of Land..

....which is done, based on the Gochara system of Astrology...movement of planets in relation to the Land at a particular Longitudinal degree.

For Human-beings too, Gochara-predictions are given by Astrologers.. based on their Birth-Star and Rasi..

Even as a staunch believer of Astrology.... I do not believe this sort of forecast...nor accept it, because it is not reliable.

The main factor in Astrology is Birth-time, apart from place of Birth.. for working out a Horoscope..

Whereas in the Gochara Astrology, for a nation or the People collectively, the date of its formation. ..is taken as the Birth-time.

For example in the case of India, it is taken as the midnight of Aug-15, 1947.

But it is the time, the Human-beings fixed.... whereas the Birthtime invariably means the Natural birthtime...God-made., as in the case of Child-birth.

Further again, there is a dispute amongst the Astrologers on the veracity of Horoscopes worked out for Humans on the Birth-time by Caesarian-surgery, pre-determined by the parents. And it is practically seen, such predictions mostly do not come true... becausae of its unreliability.

To solve such unavoidable problem.... my Astrologer Ms. Geethanjali, adopts the..

.. Reverse method of working out the Horocopes backward...after some years of birth... by noting down the Events Qualities and other Background of the person concerned..

If the Two Horoscopes made by different Astrologers, for the same person VARY ...

... when they were made through different methods of mathematical calculations (Vakkiya-System and Dhruk-Ganitha System.)

...the same method is followed by the practical Astrologers..

Such alternatives are not possible for a Nation or its people... collectively.

So... the Astrological predictions for any Land or its people are NOT RELIABLE.

[selvakumar]

Such alternatives are not possible for a Nation or its people... collectively.
So... the Astrological predictions for any Land or its people are NOT RELIABLE.

exactly !! We cannot do that for a nation or a country ! I have seen several western astrologers doing this.. (Generating the horoscope of US and giving the predictions) IT looks quite strange since astrology is heavily dependent on the latitude and longitude combinations)

Also,

Reg the TN election results, I can tell this:

During the recent US Presidential elections, Our Astrogical mailing list predicted a BUSH Win contrast to a KERRY win.. (After having deeply analysing the Navamsha of both these people).

To our surprise, many Indian astrologers predicted a KERRY win without concentrating much on KERRY'S NAVAMSHA (as well as for Bush)

IF we consider the same in the case MK AND JJ,

No one has the Corret horo of these people.

IF we predict something purely based on GOCHARA, then it is a :lol:

coz JJ IS GOING THROUGH 7.5 SATURN PERIOD (LEO) WHILE MK IS COMPLETELY OUT OF IT (TAURUS)

:rotfl: Curious how these people are predicting it ! :?:

[johntony]

Hi!

I am new on this hub.

I am a student of Astrology and like to try my best to help you out if you have any problem.

Really this science is amazing and very useful in pinpointing your areas of strength and weaknesses.

You can mail me on power2grid@yahoo.com

OR

you can chat with me on this wonderful forum

Thanks


i am also a fan of indian astrology since a longtime i have got a question after studying gemological books, there are many gems combinations which are not advised to wear such as ruby with blue saffire or topaz with emerald & such mores, but i dont found anywhere in various books about combination of zircon(gomed) with catseye(lahsunia). what happens if one wear zircon with catseye? i have seen many peoples who wears zircon with pearls(white) whereas that was told a wrong combinations in many books. pls clarify it i m not a astrolger, but having deep intersts into it.

[Sudhaama]

Hi!

I am new on this hub.

I am a student of Astrology and like to try my best to help you out if you have any problem.

Really this science is amazing and very useful in pinpointing your areas of strength and weaknesses.

You can mail me on power2grid@yahoo.com

OR

you can chat with me on this wonderful forum

Thanks

i am also a fan of indian astrology since a longtime i have got a question after studying gemological books, there are many gems combinations which are not advised to wear such as ruby with blue saffire or topaz with emerald & such mores, but i dont found anywhere in various books about combination of zircon(gomed) with catseye(lahsunia). what happens if one wear zircon with catseye? i have seen many peoples who wears zircon with pearls(white) whereas that was told a wrong combinations in many books. pls clarify it i m not a astrolger, but having deep intersts into it.

MANI-SASTHRA .. a Scripture on Gems... is a part of Veda., parallel to Jyothisha- Sasthra.

Both these Sasthras are interlinked... since commonly based on Navagraha Planets.

But Mani-Sasthra is different and unlinked to Gemmology... which covers Crystal-stones too.

Whereas there is No place for Crystal stones either in Mani- Sasthra or Astrology.

May be some of the Crystal stones too... render palpable Spiritual returns.... similar or at par with the Gems.

Gems only are linked with the Navagraha Planets and Not the Crystals..

So let us not confuse with both the Gems and Crystals..

For example, if anybody raises doubt on the Incompatibility of Saphire and Ruby...

We can answer ...that the Ruby represents the Planet Sun, while Saphire represents Saturn. Both are Enemies . And so should not be placed together.

But Ruby and Pearl together goes well... Because of Sun and Moon , the friends.

[r_kk]

AMR has indirectly predicted that "MK" will loose and JJ will win....atleast that is what I understoood from his words....

If the above prediction of the Astrologer Mr. AMR... does not come true,...

... we should not blame either the Astrology nor the Astrologer....

... because in such cases by Gochara... it is more a matter of chance than the Scientific forecast.
.

Once again proving that the astrology as mere guess work.... Since Mr. Sudhamma had already taken safe cover, we can't ask him why it went wrong.




We can answer ...that the Ruby represents the Planet Sun, while Saphire represents Saturn. Both are Enemies . And so should not be placed together.

But Ruby and Pearl together goes well... Because of Sun and Moon , the friends.


Dear Mr. Sudhamma,
I didn't expect the above pseudo scientific claim from a retired civil engineer like you. I hope that during your college days, you might have studied the Geology and crystal structures!!! As usual I am requesting you to write with some proofs....

[johntony]

Hi!

I am new on this hub.

I am a student of Astrology and like to try my best to help you out if you have any problem.

Really this science is amazing and very useful in pinpointing your areas of strength and weaknesses.

You can mail me on power2grid@yahoo.com

OR

you can chat with me on this wonderful forum

Thanks

i am also a fan of indian astrology since a longtime i have got a question after studying gemological books, there are many gems combinations which are not advised to wear such as ruby with blue saffire or topaz with emerald & such mores, but i dont found anywhere in various books about combination of zircon(gomed) with catseye(lahsunia). what happens if one wear zircon with catseye? i have seen many peoples who wears zircon with pearls(white) whereas that was told a wrong combinations in many books. pls clarify it i m not a astrolger, but having deep intersts into it.

MANI-SASTHRA .. a Scripture on Gems... is a part of Veda., parallel to Jyothisha- Sasthra.

Both these Sasthras are interlinked... since commonly based on Navagraha Planets.

But Mani-Sasthra is different and unlinked to Gemmology... which covers Crystal-stones too.

Whereas there is No place for Crystal stones either in Mani- Sasthra or Astrology.

May be some of the Crystal stones too... render palpable Spiritual returns.... similar or at par with the Gems.

Gems only are linked with the Navagraha Planets and Not the Crystals..

So let us not confuse with both the Gems and Crystals..

For example, if anybody raises doubt on the Incompatibility of Saphire and Ruby...

We can answer ...that the Ruby represents the Planet Sun, while Saphire represents Saturn. Both are Enemies . And so should not be placed together.

But Ruby and Pearl together goes well... Because of Sun and Moon , the friends.

thanks for replying my query, but u dont tell me what happens if some has wear gomed( gemstone for rahu) with lahsunia ( gemstone for ketu) . as we know these are head & tails of one body, always posses an angle of 180 degree to each other in our solar system.

[Sudhaama]

...Rahu and Kethu...Phenomena

These Two planets... according to Astrology... are called CHAAYA GRAHAS.

So to say... SHADY PLANETS...the power of which varies according to its placement of house...

.. as well as the other planets associated with ..alongside the ones aspected by.

Generally speaking... Rahu is of Sani (Saturn) Qualities... while

..Kethu is of Angaaraka (Mars) qualities.

Practically observed fact is... Rahu effects more on the mundane Earthly Life.. while

Kethu ..effects more on the Spiritual path of transcendental outlook..

Again I have to stress... that it varies according to the factors stated above.

Constantly maintaining 180 degrees mutually. both these planets move on the Reverse direction, contrary to all other planets....

Gomedhaka represents Rahu... and Vaidooryam (Cats Eye) represents Kethu...

Since both of them are malefic... the related Gems as per Mani-sasthra... should be worn ..ONLY ON THE MIDDLE-FINGER (Longest), which is the Saturn finger.

The strange truth is... generally speaking... if one of them is good to a person(as per Horoscope),, the other planet used to be bad... the opposite to him.

Both these Gems should never be worn together, but only one of the two as per the Astrologers advice.

[thamizhvaanan]

RAHU AND KETHU ARE NOT PLANETS!!!!

[johntony]

...Rahu and Kethu...Phenomena

These Two planets... according to Astrology... are called CHAAYA GRAHAS.

So to say... SHADY PLANETS...the power of which varies according to its placement of house...

.. as well as the other planets associated with ..alongside the ones aspected by.

Generally speaking... Rahu is of Sani (Saturn) Qualities... while

..Kethu is of Angaaraka (Mars) qualities.

Practically observed fact is... Rahu effects more on the mundane Earthly Life.. while

Kethu ..effects more on the Spiritual path of transcendental outlook..

Again I have to stress... that it varies according to the factors stated above.

Constantly maintaining 180 degrees mutually. both these planets move on the Reverse direction, contrary to all other planets....

Gomedhaka represents Rahu... and Vaidooryam (Cats Eye) represents Kethu...

Since both of them are malefic... the related Gems as per Mani-sasthra... should be worn ..ONLY ON THE MIDDLE-FINGER (Longest), which is the Saturn finger.

The strange truth is... generally speaking... if one of them is good to a person(as per Horoscope),, the other planet used to be bad... the opposite to him.

Both these Gems should never be worn together, but only one of the two as per the Astrologers advice.


thanks for answering me

[dev]

If any competent Astrologer predicts on the basis of Horoscopes of the persons behind...It can never fail...

..because that basis is more reliable and scientific...


I believe in astrology... but I am not able to accept that competent astrologeres always predict right... Or atleast those I've seen wern't as competent as U say... :roll: :? I used to get predictions from an astrologer in India... I consider him to be very knowledgeble & competent in his field... I would say around 60-70% of his predictions come true in the long run... But not all his predictions are true... For ex: when I was about to take my CPA exams last year, I just wanted to consult with my astrologer... He said that this is not the right time to go for exams & he asked me to postpone it by 6 months...He was very confident that I'll not be clearing my papers if I take the exams at that point... I thought that's a long wait & since I was pretty confident on my prep, I thought I'll just give it a try... & when I met him after my exams(after abt 2 months) & that's was the time I was awaiting results... this time, he checked the horoscope & said that now the time is favourable & though I gave the exams at the wrong time, since the results are coming at a favourable time, there are high chances that I'll get through... & I did get through... :roll: :?

This has made me think the extent to which astrology should be relied upon... It can be taken as a guide but not always... sometime our karma may be so bad that predictions will be misleading no matter how compenet the preson who predicts it is...Astrology is such a complex field & I doubt if anyone can really master it fully well to give the right predictions all the time...

[Sudhaama]

RAHU AND KETHU ARE NOT PLANETS!!!!

Dear Thamizhvaanan,

Please go through my detailled posting hereabove, where I have mentioned on the Astrological point of View...

...and I have also mentioned that Rahu and Kethu are called as CHAAYA-GRAHAS (Shady Planets, being in Non-solid Abstract form)

Besides I clarify further that ...Astrology is termed as an OCCULT- SCIENCE rather.. a DIVINE- SCIENCE.

...and considered so by the Scholars well-versed in both the subjects of Astronomy and Astrology..

Although both are the allied segments of Science, in certain aspects, they differ...

...One of which is the Classification of Planets.

Astrology treats Sun as a Planet, whereas Astronomy does not accept it so... but only as a Star.

Earth is a Planet according to Astronomy, whereas it is not valued so by Astrology,...

..but only as BHOO- LOKA (Earthly World)...one of the Seven-Lokas of inhabitation of Living- beings.

...since the Earth does not possess the Planetary- potentialities, simiar to the other Planets...

... named as Sun, Moon, Mars, Venus. Jupiter and the like,

...which celestial bodies are able to influence over all other bodies in the Space... including the Living-beings and Plants...

...by means of their constant emission of Powerful Rays all around.. crossing millions of milles

And Earth is taken as the central-point as Lagna(Zero degree) to work out the inter- related locations of all the Nine planets around

.. in a Horoscope. of 360 degrees divided into 12 houses of 30 degrees each.

Rahu and Kethu are not accepted as Planets by Astronomy...

...whereas since they too possess the Planetary potenialities, similar to the other planets...

.. being the Sources of constant Ray- emissions influencing over other bodies and Living- beings as well....

Astrology asserts that Rahu-Kethu are the members of NAVA- GRAHAS, qualified to be attributed as PLANETS.

[abbydoss1969]

some one please predict who is going to be the next CM of TN. seems that there are quite knowledgeable astronomers here AMR has indirectly predicted that "MK" will loose and JJ will win....atleast that is what I understoood from his words....

His present predictions on Tamilnadu's future, have been worked out on the Gochara-system of Astrology...

...which is based on movement of Planets in relation to the countries

They are different, and may sometimes come true...

If the above prediction of the Astrologer Mr. AMR... does not come true,...

... we should not blame either the Astrology nor the Astrologer....

... because in such cases by Gochara... it is more a matter of chance than the Scientific forecast.
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Why can't both MK and J's astrological charts be analysed and some result could be predicted?After all they are the primadonna of their respective parties!
It clearly shows that astrology is bogus.

[selvakumar]

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Why can't both MK and J's astrological charts be analysed and some result could be predicted?After all they are the primadonna of their respective parties!
It clearly shows that astrology is bogus.[/quote]

Dude.. Till now.. No one knows the CORRECT Astrological charts for both these people.
For eg, in the case JJ's horoscope, some astrologers mark the MERCURY position in Pisces.
while some others, mark that in Aquarius. These kind of differences makes the life difficult for Astrologers.
Astrology is not bogus. It is some Astrologers who make it to look like that.
Till now, No one knows the EXACT NAVAMSHA CHART FOR BOTH THESE PEOPLE. This is an important fact that has to be considered for predictions.

Anyhow, I don't want to agree with Sudhamma sir that they predicted it based on GOCHAARA only. If that is the case, THE TIME FOR MK IS BETTER THAN THAT OF JJ. He is completely out of 7.5 Saturn phase.(Taurian) Whereas JJ is just into it (Leo)

[Nakeeran]

Sorry if i have digressed out of an on going discussion

I have a question here.

when twin towers collapsed, thousands were dead. Where is the relativity theory being applied ? does it mean that the astrology for the entire dead was the same ( that they were destined to die in one spot ? )

pls clarify

[malsi]

very good question nakeeran..even i was thinking abt this...

[Sanguine Sridhar]

Sorry if i have digressed out of an on going discussion

I have a question here.

when twin towers collapsed, thousands were dead. Where is the relativity theory being applied ? does it mean that the astrology for the entire dead was the same ( that they were destined to die in one spot ? )

pls clarify

Nakeeran think like this at the same time(H,M,S) all over Tamil Nadu say at Chennai around 100 babies born, then horoscope of those babies would be the same.So those 100 babies death would be also same :roll: and also in the same fashion!! So according to this concept horoscope is a recursive design...Edhavadhu puriyudha? So those people who died in that tragedy might have the same Horoscope!! Why not?

[great]

:lol:

[Nakeeran]

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Nakeeran think like this at the same time(H,M,S) all over Tamil Nadu say at Chennai around 100 babies born, then horoscope of those babies would be the same.So those 100 babies death would be also same :roll: and also in the same fashion!! So according to this concept horoscope is a recursive design...Edhavadhu puriyudha? So those people who died in that tragedy might have the same Horoscope!! Why not?

Sanguine Sridhar

but those died during twin tower disaster belonged to different age groups. Hence I doubt

[great]

Watch this movie Final destination 8-)

[Sanguine Sridhar]

Nakeeran,
I said Horoscope is a recursive design.
A person who born on Sep 23rd 1950 and a person at May 19th 1980 might have the same horoscope at two different places..(Provided the position of all the planets might be at the same position).You should understand that even a computer can design a horoscope a simple code does it!!

You also note that it may be a natural disaster or a war a certain part of people will only die!! Americans,Indian,Japanese and at also at the same place ... New york,Chennai,Tokyo!! Got something??

I may be wrong i am just explaining with my own perception

[Nakeeran]

One more question .

air crashes / train accidents / bus accidents kill so many. Does it mean that the fate of person ( who is destined to die by that incident ) HAS CHANGED THE DESTINY OF OTHERS ALSO ?